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12:17Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, he's awesome.

12:18Patrick Claybon:I mean, everyone's like, oh, he's a tough runner. I'm like, man, when I see this dude, his vision and his balance is insane. I mean, you're seeing some runs right here. He's just like, oh, well, the Bengals don't really want to hit anybody, so let me just run right at him. Great block downfield, and he's got the giddy up to kind of get there. I think this is a great matchup here. The fact, too, that so much is on Jackson Dart now. I mean, their running game, even with Tyrone Tracy, offensively is not that great. Dart's got to make play after play. The Bears' defense, to me, is nothing to sneeze at.

12:48Patrick Claybon:And so I think coming off that win they had last week, the way they won it, that could be their converse Hail Mary. This year to kind of get them going.

12:56Jourdan Rodrigue:Joe Flacco sneezed at them a little bit. Joe Flacco put up a million yards on that Bears' defense.

13:03Patrick Claybon:But, I mean, is Jackson Dart going to do that?

13:04Jourdan Rodrigue:No, no. I mean, he doesn't have Jamar Chase and T.

13:07Patrick Claybon:Higgins.

13:08Jourdan Rodrigue:Exactly. And I think what's good, the Bears and Dennis Allen can go send a thank you note to Robert Sala and the 49ers because they did a really great job of really closing off Jackson Dart's running lanes. They did a great job covering a quarterback who doesn't have barely anyone to throw to. And certainly their run game has suffered, minus a couple of players, including Cam Scadaboo. And Jackson Dart was going to have to be the one to make plays happen. And so the 49ers did a really nice job of just closing off all of the little creases and holes that he could see for that vision running that he's very good at.

13:43Jourdan Rodrigue:And I think the Bears try to play him a similar way.

13:46Steve Wyche:A lot of just dump offs. And I think he's playing well for the situation that he's in. The offensive line is playing well, to be fair. I actually think the Giants have a pretty good offensive line. I am curious to see this Bears offensive line against the pass rush that the Giants have, which wasn't great last week, but they were getting rid of the ball quick. because if you go through and look at who the Bears face, you could almost come up with the rankings of the worst pass rushes in the NFL. It's just kind of random, but I just was looking at it. I was like, oh, that's one of the worst pass rushes.

14:14Steve Wyche:So it'll be interesting to see them, you know, they have a left tackle, Theo Benedict, you know, struggling a little bit against a better pass rush. And then I was looking at the DVOA and everything. They have faced the third easiest schedule in terms of their offense has faced the third easiest schedule in terms of defenses, and it gets much harder the rest of the way, really after this week. So there will be bigger tests, but there's stacking wins that's going to keep them in the playoff race.

14:38Patrick Claybon:And those advantages, right, where you evaluate, if you're looking at the schedule and you see the Bears rushing efficiency, their number nine in rushing efficiency, but you consider that they weren't running the ball that well scheduled or not at the start of the season. They're a little bit better than that number where the Giants are 32 on rushing efficiency on the defensive side, where you do start to wonder, at that criticism they had of the Rams front, if these guys want to get out there and rush the passer. And the run is not necessarily a priority where you wonder what the overall priority is.

15:10Patrick Claybon:And then for the Giants on offense, it's Jackson Dart. Hey, it's an RPO. Figure it out. It's up to you, man. He's so fun to watch. You make the decisions. But you'd like to see some layups for the kid. Yeah, there's just none there for him. He's got to make something happen. One thing that Greg, you're talking about earlier about the Giants run defense. Was Carl Banks right on Dexter Lawrence?

15:30Steve Wyche:I mean, I would not feel comfortable downgrading that man without doing like a very close tape study. So hopefully Carl Banks has been doing that. I think Giants fans that are close watchers, people watching the team would say he's not having the impact. And he's coming off a pretty major injury that he had a couple of years ago when he was maybe the best defensive player in the league. It is definitely not at that level.

15:51Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that this is once again, a big running game for the Chicago bears. You could see how much it settles Caleb Williams into rhythm. It sets them up to sort of make these like really cool, like hero plays that he makes two or three of every time. And it minimizes the opportunity to kind of fritz out on some of the other plays that we've seen in some of that inconsistency with him over the course of the year, he's getting better to me every week. And I also love the potential of getting some different things that Ben Johnson wants to put into this game plan long term against this opponent, because not only does he want to run the ball as much as possible, but he also wants to get the tight ends working, which against the secondary is something that's a place to do it.

16:35Jourdan Rodrigue:And he also wants to get Caleb and Roma Dunze back into their connection. DJ Moore on some of those catch and run screens. So I see them working the perimeter a lot if they can, if they, if he can stand in there long enough against the pass rush, working the short and middle perimeter a lot to try to get those players into that rhythm, whether it's on catch and run screens or simply outs to it, to Roman.

16:56Patrick Claybon:He can have Zach Robinson call the plays. If he wants to work the perimeter,

17:02Steve Wyche:I want to, we should move to this next great game, but I do want to hit one thing at a future date that I saw on the New York post, the cover of the other day. I'll be careful now. Yeah. This, this one, not the front cover, which was a little wild, although you almost had to give him a little credit on Wednesday. They say, could Shane, Joe Shane, and Brian Dable be a split ticket? They're starting to be like a little buzz around there that Dable might get the ax, but Joe Shane stays, which to me is just doing it backwards again, hustling backwards.

17:38Patrick Claybon:I mean, the Giants have had such a great run hiring GMs and coaches lately. We'll see if this wouldn't surprise anybody.

17:44Steve Wyche:If this actually happens, but I think you either start over or not. But don't split the baby. Yeah. And hopefully that call's not coming from inside the house. That's what I mean. It's interesting that that's starting to whisper. We like that. We like this midseason turmoil. Yes. It's what the Giants do best. The Jets just said white flag. Yeah.

18:07Jourdan Rodrigue:You know what, though? And to that point, the Jets are doing great with their midseason. They just went clean. They're just like, hey, we know, we know, we get it. We're like, all you guys know.

18:17Patrick Claybon:Because the Jets are looking at a team in their division that has the only thing that matters, and that is Drake May. And he's going on the road to take on the now-rested Tampa Bay Buccaneers who are favored by two and a half. The over-under is 48 and a half. It is CBS 1. It is Jim. It is Tracy. It is Tony Romo. and Jordan Roderick. How do the Buccaneers deal with their injuries now that they're rested going up against Drake May and Company?

18:45Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, I expect Emeka Ibuka to be back, like playing the way that we're used to seeing him at this point as he started the season because a week arrest would be really good for him. He was such a high-volume player. And if you get banged up and you are like the go-to emergency option here for Baker Mayfield, you're just going to wear down. So I'm glad the bye came at the time it did. The problem still is that Chris Godwin and Bucky Irving did not start the week practicing. So that's definitely something to keep an eye on here. And I'd like to see Baker Mayfield play better football. He started the year so great, really struggled the last two weeks.

19:18Jourdan Rodrigue:Baker Ball has got to start rolling again, guys.

19:21Steve Wyche:Oh, wow. Now she's just setting it up.

19:23Jourdan Rodrigue:Baker Ball keeps on rolling, baby.

19:28Steve Wyche:That is amazing. I do love the Patriots schedule where like every four or five weeks they play a good team. And then they just go back into hibernation. It's perfect. That's the National Football League. No, it's a conspiracy against Drake Bay. No, it's great. I mean, they play.

19:45Jourdan Rodrigue:Right as he enters the conversation.

19:46Steve Wyche:They played the Bills and then they had Saints, Titans, Browns, Falcons. Now they get the Bucs. And then after this, it's like it's Jets, Bengals, Giants. And then they're by.

19:55Patrick Claybon:They got a late bye. Week 14 bye. Yeah. I mean, that's great for them.

19:58Steve Wyche:So I think it is really exciting. It's like play a really good team challenge for this entire team, because I think the weaknesses that they have, which I would say is their pass defense, like the advanced metrics has them as a bottom six or seven pass defense. Despite like a good defensive line and talent in the back end, they haven't really been good slowing down opposing quarterbacks, but they haven't played many great ones. And so this is a real test, I think, for both sides of the ball. And can the Patriots offensive line, which has given up 17 sacks over the last three weeks, identify where those rushers are coming from.

20:30Steve Wyche:Because they struggled with it against the Falcons last week. And you know, Todd Bowles has come with just the whole Rubik's Cube matrix of looks.

20:37Patrick Claybon:I love this game, and I'm glad you said that about the Patriots, because to me, how do they handle success? This is a tough game. There's no shame in losing to the Buccaneers who walk onto the field expecting to win, regardless of their health status and their players. But their next three games don't look great. Can they handle it? This is like sustain until the bye, right? They've got the late bye. They're rolling. They've got momentum. Drake Mays playing well. They ran the ball a little bit better last week. You know, their defense is steady. I mean, they're just a tough-minded football team.

21:08Patrick Claybon:That's why I like watching them play. But let's see how tough they are mentally. Again, you lose this game. It's competitive. There's no shame in losing to the Buccaneers in Tampa Bay. But after that, that's where we're going to find out how the Patriots are.

21:20Steve Wyche:Yeah, it's in Tampa. They are a slight underdog. I would have thought it'd be more. Let's listen to Mike Vrabel. The Patriots and the Buccaneers were two of many teams. There's this article written all across the league where it's like the local beat writer has to say, well, they didn't make a trade. I know everyone's disappointed. The Bucs and the Patriots disappointed a lot of fans out there.

21:42Patrick Claybon:Deals are like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't. There's no like it's either a deal or it's not. So I don't know how close you can be. I know that everyone worked hard and that we investigated and looked in and made phone calls and what personnel departments do and in the end we decided that this was what we were going to do

22:08Steve Wyche:he's an expert, a father of two

22:10Jourdan Rodrigue:what a metaphor

22:10Patrick Claybon:that was like a total Harbaugh-ism that was a real good pull

22:15Jourdan Rodrigue:somehow made me feel less uncomfortable than if Jim Harbaugh were going to say it.

22:20Patrick Claybon:Yeah, I think you should go with something that's definitive, like electrocution, right? You're either shocked to the point where your heart stops

22:28Steve Wyche:or you're not. You know, going with something. Wait, so when I was pulling, like, the Apple, you know, plug out yesterday and being a little too loose with it and got shocked, that does not count as electrocution. That is not an electrocution.

22:39Patrick Claybon:Yeah, if you were in water, maybe.

22:41Steve Wyche:Okay.

22:41Patrick Claybon:Yeah, we would need to not have Greg anymore to meet that. Rude. I don't want to be in that role. I don't want to be.

22:47Jourdan Rodrigue:I don't want a world. I don't want that world.

22:49Patrick Claybon:The binary nature of electrocution, maybe not so much in the other aspect that Mike Brable is, is mentioning, but I think the point that he makes there before anybody gets all upset and itchy about the team contending and building around Drake may, Hey, we tried, we're in here working calls. We're not going to do something just for the sake of doing it, which I think is a, is a solid approach.

23:10Steve Wyche:They're an interesting team because they're so thin and they haven't been tested. They're one of the health. They've been one of the healthiest teams in the NFL this year in terms of not missing players. They could be missing a few guys this week. Kayshawn, Booty, Ramondre Stevenson, and I believe one of their offensive linemen might all be out. And sneakily, like Booty is is massive for their. Sorry.

23:30Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, that was your face when you said that.

23:32Steve Wyche:There you go.

23:33Jourdan Rodrigue:No, you guys, did you catch the subtle thing that that Rabel did master at talking to the media and sending a message in the media where this team has very clearly been built at the bare minimum in collaboration with Mike Rabel having such a huge say in it. He sort of distanced himself from it at the end of his comments. He said, and they did whatever personnel departments do. And I'm like, yeah, okay, buddy. Yeah, it's like, he's probably like, I was going to get it. I feel like I could get a couple guys in. But the thing that's interesting about this matchup to me is how, like, I think this is going to be a pass-heavy game for both offenses.

24:06Jourdan Rodrigue:These are two really, really good run defenses. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were limiting success rate on run plays among the best in the league consistently over the start to the season before their bye. And the Patriots have not surrendered 50 yards to a single running back through the entire start to the season so far, which is astounding, especially considering even though they didn't necessarily play some great teams so far, they did play teams with good running backs. So I think that this is going to be a real pass-heavy game, and maybe you'll get to see your guy, Drake May, put on a little bit of a show.

24:40Steve Wyche:If he can get protected.

24:41Jourdan Rodrigue:It's your guy versus my guy.

24:43Steve Wyche:I could see. I know. Who gets the number one draft pick in games this week? You get it next week. You get it next week. I got this one. No. Let's just listen to Baker Mayfield because he was at a podium, and we like his declarations on all things football. Just got to keep going. At this point, it's real football starts, and we have obviously a really, really good opponent coming in here. Okay, so it's official. Football not starting in week one, not starting after Thanksgiving. It's week 10. It's all happening. I mean, this is where, because you look at Tampa Bay,

25:17Patrick Claybon:they've got so much distance on the rest of the NFC South. Now that's where they start stacking bricks home field for the NFC.

25:25Steve Wyche:There is something about the double digit of week 10 and getting past the trade deadline, getting to November. You know, it's a long season for everyone. It does feel like a big moment. We're into the second half. We've made some progress. I feel good about it. Baker, I agree with you. Let's take a quick break, and we'll come back and talk about one of those other teams in the NFC South. Big game on NFL Network this week.

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29:19Steve Wyche:One of the many ways you can measure Patrick Claibon's influence on the entire football media sphere is that I always hear people on other podcasts when they talk about momentum, they hear Patrick's voice in their head and then they call him out and try to answer the voice in their head. And that just happened to me recently too. When I was talking about week 10 being a big moment, I sort of heard a Patrickism in my head and he gave it to me during the break, which is, well, football is cumulative and each week matters. And that's true, Patrick. All of them count in the stand. OK, but my argument would be once you get later in the season, you know, the games do matter more because of everything that's happened before.

30:03Steve Wyche:It's like the Ravens Vikings game matters more now than it would have in week two because they have lost their wiggle room based on everything that's already happened. And that's the beauty of the NFL season. It's just it's it's a crescendo at the end. You know, it's always rising. The action.

30:20Patrick Claybon:That's definitely that's definitely how we feel. that it matters more, but had they not lost those games, then it would still matter. Sure, but you can't go back.

30:29Steve Wyche:You can't change it anymore. It did happen that way. So now it's like playoff percentages. I think that's a good way to look at it, like your chance to make the playoffs. It'll, huge differences if you win or lose a game, depending on the opponent, at this time of year, where it's not as much in the beginning.

30:45Patrick Claybon:No, we feel like we flip the switch and the light turns on and you're like, I did that. But there was an entire chain of processes that started with coal being mined and then burned that led up to them.

30:55Steve Wyche:But you can't change that, and you can change what happens. But look, I mean, okay, let's go conversely to that.

31:01Patrick Claybon:No, no, let's go conversely. Woody Johnson, this is not when real football starts. This is when it has been. Well, that's true. There are teams that are just saying bye-bye. Well, if I'm picking teams, let me go back with Baker. The Atlanta Falcons are taking on the Indianapolis Colts. Steve Weiss in Berlin for the first time ever. and you know where you can see this game? On NFL Network! Rise, shine, and watch Sunday, 9.30 a.m. Eastern. The game's also available on NFL Plus. Subscription required for NFL Plus. Go to plus.nfl.com for details. I'm excited about it. Adam Amin, Kurt Warner are going to be on the call.

31:39Patrick Claybon:The over-under is 48 and a half. The Colts are favored by six and a half. Six and a half. Six, a familiar number, because they turned the ball over six times against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Steve. What do they do this time? Yeah, I mean, was that to Daniel Jones? Did the carriage turn into a pumpkin? We'll see because, you know, Atlanta's got some guys who can get after him. My big thing is now that the Colts have Sauce Gardner and Shavarius Mooney Ward is coming back.

32:05Steve Wyche:Not this week. And we don't know that Sauce Gardner's playing, but he's in the concussion protocol but is practicing. Sounds positive. All right, so Michael Penix, they're the most frustrating team in the NFL

32:18Patrick Claybon:to watch because they run the same stuff over and over. Outside the numbers, outside the numbers. Bajon's screen, outside the numbers. We're going to toss sweep outside the numbers. I mean, I put out a tweet the other day. If this were a basketball game, the shot chart would look like all mid-range and three-point shots. They don't play in the paint. So if Indianapolis can score on them, that's the main thing. Atlanta's defense is going to give them a little something, but the Falcons' offense has just become very predictable. it is just we can say we want Michael Penix having a big arm he throws it in one direction and that's towards the sideline whether it's on him whether it's on Zach Robinson they do not attack the middle of a defense not saying you can necessarily do that against the Colts but the six and a half number is huge for me for the Colts but if Atlanta loses this one I mean the calls for a change yeah have been very loud there Arthur Blank's not a mid-season change guy but Raheem Morris might have to be in terms of changing his offensive coordinator play caller if this goes the same way it's gone because it is the same act every game yeah it's it's

33:27Jourdan Rodrigue:unfortunate because you see so much potential out of the players that they have yes I think you can also then you have and we have this site the offensive line injuries and obviously that's a problem but you are so spot on about he wants to be a perimeter thrower and he's a dang good one as well, but there needs to be balance in dimension within the offense. And it's one of those things where I joke, I'm not really joking, but I joke, I'm like, they're tarnishing my beloved pistol formation. Because they don't want to run pure undercentered play action. They don't want to even run like gun run play action.

34:04Jourdan Rodrigue:They don't want to do those types of things. They still want the benefit of play action, which is why they stay in the pistol. And also because Bajan is really, really good at setting up the middle layer of a defense, like a quarterback would in shotgun. He's doing that out of the pistol formation. The problem is when you spam it, the level that they have, teams don't actually believe that you're going to run directionally or throw or attack the middle of the field like some of the actual play action would help them do. Instead, what they know they're going to do is either give the ball to Bajan to try to set something up and crash hard wherever he's going, right?

34:38Wherever you see him start to move directionally, or they're going to attack the perimeter in

34:42Jourdan Rodrigue:the passing game. And I think that that is such a disappointment and a huge problem. And I feel like there's too many dudes on this team, on this offense, to get away with that.

34:54Steve Wyche:And Drake London's coming off one of the best games of his career. And, you know, if we did a winners and losers from the trade deadline, how about winners in NFL Network? You get Sauce Gardner on Drake London potentially for this matchup because no cornerback travels with a number one receiver more than Sauce Gardner.

35:10Jourdan Rodrigue:Another reason you don't want to spam the perimeter. Sauce Gardner's there now.

35:14Steve Wyche:Right. And that's the type of body type I think he does best against. If anyone can try to cover Drake London, and Marcus Jones is not that guy last week, certainly, it would be Sauce Gardner. And so I'm really excited to see that and see what Lou has up his sleeve in this matchup, like on that side of the ball. And on the others, I just want a little more, like not to get into the X's and O's, I just want a little more flash out of Panic. there's not a lot of there's not a lot of wow there's not a lot of big time throws nope big time throws I just would like Michael Penix to have some big time throws just give me something to be a little more excited about he's been very like if you just kind of put Kirk I know it looks different but like it's giving me like early Andy Dalton or something you know what I mean yeah make me feel something

36:05Patrick Claybon:and we did you know we got that brief glimpse of what Kirk Cousins looked like in this offense against the Miami Dolphins. Anybody that had that thought, maybe that thought has drifted further back in their minds where, you know, the lack of creativity goes across the board. John Robinson's runs are going outside the tackle 76 % of the time. 76 % of the time.

36:27Jourdan Rodrigue:That middle and wide zone.

36:29Patrick Claybon:Again, you have to defend four places against the Atlanta Falcons and you got it. And we've seen it multiple times.

36:35Steve Wyche:It's a great moment here for the Colts, who haven't really been quite a national team, even though they're one of the biggest stories of the year. How do they respond? They're in new situations. How do they respond to their, especially Daniel Jones, to their worst performance of the week? Their offensive line got housed last week. Yes, it did. I really think it was more about the offensive line than Daniel Jones even. And so how do they respond in a big spot in Berlin?

36:56Patrick Claybon:And this is one, though, watching the way the Colts played. They hadn't played that way for almost all the season.

37:01Jourdan Rodrigue:So I'm saying, was that the stinker?

37:04Patrick Claybon:Because they should be able to run the ball. this week they find find where kate nellis is on the falcons defense and go away from him yeah they should be able to run the football i think you know daniel jones's offense gets going a little bit against falcons defense is good i mean at two levels on the front end and the back end then kate nellis is you know great inside linebacker otherwise they've got struggles but to go back to pennix though but what they do patrick they run and they go so wide that they're adding a 12th defender in the sideline. It is like one of the most brutal things to watch week after week because they make it so easy for the team.

37:40Patrick Claybon:I like why she always gets a little more frustrated when it comes to the Falcons. Because my son's a Falcons fan, so I watch all their games, and it's just like, I'm there with you. This is no mesh, no rub rots, like nothing going on.

37:51Jourdan Rodrigue:Speaking of the international slate, too, if any listeners want the best belly laugh, they probably will get listening to a show all year. When you were on the Ringer fantasy football show, that's the big time froze with Craig Horlbeck is an all-time moment where I can never think of it in a different way after you guys talked about it.

38:13Steve Wyche:Yeah, the very serious analytical site, pro football focus, you know, naming their, you know, like hardcore analytics category, a big time foe, you know, it's just like, sounds like a six-year-old made it.

38:23Jourdan Rodrigue:I can't ever unhear it. It's incredible.

38:25Patrick Claybon:Yeah, and one note in huge coach speak, pick your guy up. Shane Steichen, in a conversation about Dimes' performance, said he could have been more balanced in giving the ball to Jonathan Taylor a little bit more. So pick up your guy, Coach Steichen. Wow. Good opportunity. There, let's go to our next game, which would be a great matchup looking forward to, but we do have an injury note. Jacksonville, a one-and-a-half point favorite at the Houston Texans because there is no C.J. Stroud for this one. Ruled out with a concussion. His head bounced off the field last week, was ruled out for the remainder of the game.

38:59Patrick Claybon:We'll miss this one. Ian Eagle and Justin James Watt on the call on our broadcast partner CBS, where we get a chance, Greg, to see these two teams in the division. They've had knockdown dragouts throughout time. So maybe Davis Mills comes in here and gives the Jags a scare as they trade for Jacoby Meyer.

39:17Steve Wyche:Yeah, I think they swept them last year. The Jaguars won one of the ugliest games of the season. in week three, it was that that was one where it was just craziness back and forth. And eventually Jacksonville got that win. I would feel good about them if they had CJ. They just feel a little cursed this year because they finally were all together last week. Nico and Kirk and CJ. And they look good early in that game. I think they would have beat the Broncos in that game. You know, they had the they had the lead and everything. And this would just be a sad way for their season to feel not quite over.

39:52Steve Wyche:but close to over if they're three and six already with these division. I am not counting them out because of that defense.

40:00Patrick Claybon:I think they could win this game and the quarterback they're facing. Trevor Lawrence will give them an opportunity to make a defensive score. I mean, I'm not saying negatively.

40:08Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, no, it's just, you're right. I mean the smoke, the smoke that they bring on defense.

40:13Patrick Claybon:He did last time against them. You're right. Correct. And you know, so he knows them and he's given up a few against them. So whether it's a strip sack, whether it's a pick, I think this is one where their defense can absolutely keep them in the game if they deny Jacksonville running the football.

40:29Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm interested to see. I don't know that this is the week to, like, showcase whatever you're planning to do to overhaul your passing game against one of the best defenses in the NFL. But I am really interested to see what Jacksonville looks like. I'm interested to see, especially post-trade with Jacoby Myers. I'm interested to see what his role is and then how they continue to build off of it in plan and preparation for the eventual return of Travis Hunter. And, you know, Jacksonville's defense has been up and down. They really, really miss Devin Lloyd. I don't know that this offense minus C.J.

41:02Jourdan Rodrigue:Stroud gives them a ton of trouble. So this might just be Jacksonville's entire team versus the Texans defense.

41:09Steve Wyche:The Jaguars have had a lot of important injuries. I think they really miss Brenton Strange. their tight end who everything would go through. Trayvon Walker just hasn't been the same playing with that club on his hand. He's limited in snaps. Devin Lloyd was back at practice on Wednesday, and they did give an indication, which is weird, that he would just, Liam Cohen, always being so honest at the podium, said Parker Washington is their slot, and Jacoby Myers will be on the outside because it's too much to learn to win. It's happening. It's starting. It's happening. That was your big brain thought, though.

41:41Steve Wyche:Was part of your big brain thought that, like, Brian Thomas Jr. is going to be minimized?

41:44Jourdan Rodrigue:I said that I said it's weird that it's not working out and they've they kept trying it but I think part of the reason why you're trading for Jacoby Myers is not just because Travis Hunter's out but also because eventually you would like Travis you want to see what Jacoby Myers is going to look like on the perimeter because you want your quote-unquote Chris Godwin Mike Evans combo now I'm not one-to-one comping these guys right but you want to run your offense through that type passing concept and so you want I was theorizing that Travis Hunter will play more in the slot when he returns and you funnel out of your passing game through that hyperversial player.

42:17Jourdan Rodrigue:And then you get a really solid perimeter guy. Now, I think they're going to be testing out. Is Jacoby Myers going to be that perimeter guy? I think we'll see a bunch of different combinations.

42:25Steve Wyche:And the local reporters have already been putting out there that the team doesn't see Jacoby Myers as necessarily a rental that they're hoping, I think, to get him locked in. He's a good young player. I know he is. He is kind of young. They also thought that about Greg Newsom and that might work out, but he's been getting picked on week after.

42:40Patrick Claybon:Well, I mean, that happened up in Cleveland, which is why, speaking of Travis Hunter, I think he's going to be more on the defensive side of the ball. I think this is a switch because they see that things are not working at corner. When you talk to people, they feel he's more of a natural corner. He's more of a threat as receiver, but more of a natural corner, which is why when he comes back, they may give him more defensive reps because they've got more depth on the offensive side. Yeah, that's the problem coming into the season. Travis Hunter, the cornerback, is the best cornerback.

43:09Steve Wyche:He's the better cornerback. And they're also going to be without Jordan Lewis, it sounds like, in this game. There's just been – and Brian Thomas Jr., we should point out, I don't think is going to play in this game either. And neither is Deami Brown. We don't know that early in the week, but they're out of practice early. Shout out to Travis Etienne, by the way, who's just like winning – running his face off and making himself a lot of money in free agency this offseason.

43:29Patrick Claybon:Well, that's who the offense goes through. The unquestioned best player on the Jags this season has been Travis Etienne. It's not even close when they were struggling against the Raiders. mind you like etn single-handedly it felt like one of the night there was a fourth and two run

43:44Steve Wyche:he had where he showed so much toughness to get that first down i was thinking like man the the rookie early version of travis etn is not getting that first down in a game like that like that was seven points they end up scoring a touchdown on that drive and and he's breaking tackles i'm just like this this dude is running like a man possessed it's it's an innate ability that's gotten better

44:06Patrick Claybon:He was good at it early on in his career. But Etienne's ability to run at the outside of people based on their positioning has, I think, given him a chance to extend his career, like avoid those violent collisions. Because you're never getting a square shot on Travis Etienne. And I know the number, the small number makes him look like a slender guy. He's bigger than the number would indicate. But also, like, nobody's ever just straight up blasting. And when they do, it looks bad because he's trying to play angles.

44:33Jourdan Rodrigue:It's what they used to say about Alvin Kamara, too. like years ago, that he was going to extend his career because whenever you tried to hit him, first of all, he's at a better angle than you. And these safeties used to talk about how he would just collapse one side of his body when you try to take him down. So you just couldn't get a read on him, and he had a better angle on you. And it did extend his career. Worked done. Yeah. 125 pounds.

44:55Patrick Claybon:Played 10 or 11 years. Well, hopefully Jacoby Myers will get ETN some help because this all traps in this one. So let's go to a game where some people would invoke the term trap. The Buffalo Bills are nine and a half point favorites against the Miami Dolphins team that has won one and lost one in their last two games. The over-under is 50 and a half. Andrew Catalan, Charles Davis, our good friend and best person on the planet, and Jason McCourty on the call on broadcast partner CBS Jordan. Do the Miami Dolphins take the bags off of the heads at Hard Rock and get a win against Buffalo in the division?

45:33Jourdan Rodrigue:No. I do think Buffalo looked so much better on defense last week. And yes, they're still decimated by injuries. They lost Michael Hoyt to an Achilles tear. That's going to be, you know, right when they got him back, they lost him again. Dion Walker's playing awesome. He's playing awesome. If he can consistently build and put these games together, game over game over game, he is such a factor in building up and getting that run defense into a better spot. And Maxwell Hairston changes so much about what the Bills want to do on defense in terms of mixing up their coverages and even allowing one player to travel a little bit more, play a little bit more man coverage as well.

46:14Jourdan Rodrigue:So that's a huge factor. I just think, you know, Miami is dangerous because they're in sort of effort mode, right? What do they have to lose? They already made the switch, fired Chris Greer last week or mutual parting as it was sort of put out there as. and then you know interim GM Champ Kelly traded Jalen Phillips right so now they're this different team and they're sort of on the downhill slope now toward the end of the season but you have to see them put up a fight you have to see what Mike McDaniel can really do to coach up a group that their season is you know is over and they're in transition look all players are proud they don't want to go out there and get embarrassed um but you said you know that the Dolphins are in effort

46:59Patrick Claybon:mode i think they've been in effort mode already for about three weeks on the we're going to cancun

47:03Jourdan Rodrigue:this is this is effort mode parentheses positive yeah i i'm that's effort mode parentheses negative

47:09Patrick Claybon:i mean look them getting rid of chris greer is not going to mean anything to any of the players no except for the ones he paid right and so i i just think right now that buffalo this is more so on buffalo are they going to come in saying let's just go ahead and wipe them off and and you know, let's work on some things.

47:27Steve Wyche:Let's work on throwing the ball a little bit down the field. Right. You know, they, a lot of their solutions and they do look like a different team are just like, Hey, let's get the old guys back. Jordan Poyers playing all the time. Matt Malone is back. Gabe Davis is on the practice squad. Christian Benford though. How good of a player? He's really good. And you said how, you know, the dolphins, they're one and one in their last two, like it's a small sample size, but, um, since the buy the bills defense, and I don't think this is a coincidence since Sean McDermott started calling plays. I mean, I think that was he's gone out of his way to try to make it sound like he's not calling plays and he's always crediting his coordinator.

48:05Steve Wyche:It's almost like he's doing too much to be like, no, it's all Bobby Babbage. It's all Bobby Babbage, but he's the one calling plays. Fourth in EPA per play in those two weeks against the Panthers and the Chiefs. Second versus the pass in the just the eyeball test. The pass rush is popping. And that's that's a great recipe. Miami. Joey Bosa looked incredible, although he's had a practice Wednesday. Fantasy owners. Oh, yeah. Go get yourself some Ray Davis. It sounds like James Cook is like a 50-50 maybe to play in this game, which is surprising.

48:37Patrick Claybon:He's going home. He's playing.

48:38Steve Wyche:You think so? Yeah, he's playing.

48:39Patrick Claybon:He's going back to Miami. I mean, for their long-term hopes, hopefully he's not selling out to beat the woeful Miami Dolphins.

48:47Jourdan Rodrigue:This might be a good game to rest him, honestly. I get that. I know he'll want to play, but, uh, and they need a little Ray Davis in the mix. See what they can scheme up with that guy too.

48:56Steve Wyche:The biggest red flag for this Miami team all season was Mike McDaniel, basically openly admitting that they might bench to at some point. I still can't, I can't believe that on Monday, pretty soon after we got some reports from our guy, Ian Rapport, that were similar. So I wonder what effect that has on, on everything and his quarterback.

49:18Jourdan Rodrigue:What's your take, Steve?

49:20Steve Wyche:It's not good.

49:20Patrick Claybon:But it's not – look, I used to cover the Dolphins, and when things used to go south down there, hey, man, it's a tough place to not be distracted, as it is. And when you're not totally locked in, I think it's been over. Dang. I think I said it on the show a couple weeks ago.

49:42Steve Wyche:It's over, man. It's been over. On that note, let's take a little break. You should also check out Jordan wrote an article about some potential general manager candidates down there in Miami. For the athletic. Good names on that list. Jordan Rodrigue of the athletic. Remember we used to have to say that we started every show. But now she's part of NFL Daily too. We love you athletic, but we got her.

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53:26Steve Wyche:The Carolina Panthers, a team that burrowed itself deep into the heart of Jordan Roderick, did something in the first nine games that not many teams in NFL history have done. I think it's only a couple, which is have a winning record, 5-4, despite being an underdog all nine weeks. That is an arcane stat, but it is amazing. So I want to congratulate the Carolina Panthers for pulling that off and now for being good enough, not just to be a favorite, but to be a heavy favorite.

53:57Patrick Claybon:Yeah, we can't celebrate that stat. It is more perfect time than right now because the Carolina Panthers are at home at Bofa Stadium taking on the New Orleans Saints. It's Bank of America. I like to say Bofa. New Orleans at Carolina. Five and a half point favorites, 39 and a half. Chris Myers and Mark Schlereth on the call. Steve, we get another game of Tyler Shuck. What does the Giro Everos defense? that it's like a quantum thing, or maybe the Bills were just that good. How do they look against the Saints? First of all, I don't like the 5.5 in a divisional game like this. I mean, I like the way Carolina's playing.

54:35Patrick Claybon:Rico Dottle did not practice. They're saying they're just checking a few things out. Quad. It's a quad. He was working it for most of the second half. Yeah. He kept coming out of the game, and then the very next play he'd be back in, popping one against the Packers. So we'll see. I mean, I don't like the five and a half. I like Carolina to win. I like the Saints defense a little bit because not only are you starting a rookie for the second time, you got rid of his most dangerous deep threat. Rashid Shahid is now in Seattle, who I'm now super scared of if I'm anybody else in the NFC. So, look, I think Carolina, they're starting to feel themselves a little bit.

55:15Not in a smug type of way, but they know, hey, now we're starting to see some success of Dave Canales' message.

55:22Patrick Claybon:and that is a dangerous drug. When guys start getting intoxicated by that, that's when they start getting that belief and they think they can win ball games. So I think it's a very positive thing. I think the game would be closer to Carolina, though.

55:32Steve Wyche:Especially when it's been so long since you've had that sort of feeling. I hope they have a good crowd there. They did for that Bills game and then it didn't go too well. But if you look at the rest of their schedule, these Saints games are big because you've got to sweep them. They still have two Saints games to go and the rest of their schedule has some challenging games. But if you can get those two Saints wins, like, and you're just kind of putting that onto their record here, then you're up to seven wins. You just got to get three the rest of the way out of all those other games. And maybe you're in the dance and you're celebrating.

56:09Steve Wyche:And there's every reason to think they'll be able to do that against the just woeful Saints.

56:15Jourdan Rodrigue:especially if Rico Dowdle is banged up a little bit or even not totally 100 % and still plays, which he could very well do. And they have Chuba Hubbard who's been great for them, who they love. And I think handled that whole thing pretty well in terms of starting out with a two back and you pay a little respect to a guy like Chuba Hubbard in doing that. Right. But then having the conversation with him and pulling him back to the number two spot, you're even if you're not at 100 % Rico Dowdle, you are still going to have some steadiness there. Somebody, a guy who's really solid contributor for you gave him a nice contract.

56:50Jourdan Rodrigue:Exactly. And, and I think that this to me screams, I want to see Bryce young go out and own a team. Honestly, I want to see him go out and do that because the type of, of defense and the coverages that the saints play and they're, they're in, you know, they're in this zone look and it can get a little cloudy and all of that. And Bryce Young has this year has not played well against those types of zone looks. He actually has the third lowest passer rating against this type of zone coverage that they play. So I really want to see Bryce Young and his cast of receivers and all of these guys who are building confidence with each other go out and actually dominate a team, not just have that fun, excitement, adrenaline rush of playing spoiler, which they have done so well this season and I think that's the juice that kind of gets under your skin a little bit in a good way.

57:42Jourdan Rodrigue:I want them to take that next step forward and really say no we're going to come out and dominate you.

57:46Patrick Claybon:And this is the team to do it again. Versus where because I know if you look at 11 of 20 for Bryce against the Green Bay Packers and if you're just exclusively living in the stat sheet you would think oh well that's he didn't really do too much. I think that game is harder where you get that few attempts like the vast majority coming on third down and got to have situations like three of those passes thrown on the final drive where you have to get in the field goal range and you're working against the clock and trying to manage that try not to leave Jordan Love and the Packers too much time like there's so many things that go on in that situation versus here against the Saints where you're not having to worry yeah they can't about keeping the Saints offense right off the field and you can get LeGette involved in situations where that was the interception that came in fact as Jordan pointed out like when Bryce turns the ball over three of his six have been against cover three here in 2025.

58:39Patrick Claybon:So the Saints run a lot of it. So time to work on everything. And this is the place to work on them against.

58:44Steve Wyche:Saints are extremely limited offensively. You know, they trade Trevor Penning, too, on top of Rasheed Jahid. I mean, Penning is great, but he was starting. He was starting at guard. You want Trevor Penning? Sure. I actually was.

58:57Patrick Claybon:Real quick, off air. Brian Baldinger. Build some Baldy secrets. Who on film? As Watts, Trevor Penning, who feels that you want to give up a draft pick?

59:11Steve Wyche:I was surprised that that wasn't like a swap. Yeah, they gave up a seventh. Jim Harbaugh says, by the way, we'll get to the Chargers, but he's going to play tackle there, not guard. I thought he looked better at guard.

59:21Jourdan Rodrigue:What could go?

59:21Steve Wyche:I mean, they don't have any tackles. They don't have any tackles. I watched the Saints finally this morning. I thought Tyler Shuck played pretty well. When I'm saying like Michael Penix, give me something. I just mean like three or four plays a game where they're like, okay, Tyler Shuck had about four or five throws in that game. I was like, okay, there's something there. And it was such a limited, weird game where their defense just got absolutely destroyed. And he was throwing short of the sticks a couple of times, probably like he was being told to do on third and long. But it's a lot of like run, run, throw a slant on third and seven.

59:52Steve Wyche:But once he got to throw a few passes, it looked okay. And I think it's got to look okay. Because to me, this is a big week for the Saints after getting blown out a couple of times. At some point, we can point out that Kellen Moore is giving us on Sundays and on the field about what he's given us in press conferences, which is just a whole lot of nothing. What was he supposed to do? See, that's the thing. Everyone's going to say that. But if you're a good coach, show me something. He's got the worst roster in the NFL. He just seems very uninspiring.

1:00:20Jourdan Rodrigue:The Saints Block Party podcast has been on this beat for a few weeks now. He's watching him closely on the sideline, and there's just not a lot of emotion.

1:00:27Steve Wyche:or what are you trying to do? Just show me something. Just show me what you don't need to go.

1:00:31Jourdan Rodrigue:You don't need to go full table. You don't have to go full table.

1:00:34Steve Wyche:I'm not talking about yelling. I'm talking about like, what are you trying to accomplish? What are what are we doing here? That's all. I don't know. Have some sort of stamp. They're setting things up for 20. Not on purpose.

1:00:46Jourdan Rodrigue:Steve's like, with who? Yeah, but not on purpose.

1:00:48Steve Wyche:Mickey Loomis is trying to keep his job. And I don't think like they can move forward as an organization as long as he has it. No way. That's what everyone keeps saying.

1:00:58Patrick Claybon:Because they would not have made a hire like this with a roster like this. They cleaned out nobody. After Derek Carr announced his retirement, they could have cleaned the deck, and they didn't. So they knew the season had a very high probability of going this way. They still had a— Excuse me. It was 10 before.

1:01:19Steve Wyche:That was Mickey. Look, they could have traded even more guys. They're not even— I don't think they were trying to tank. It just is finally working out that way for them. And Kellen Moore might be, who is that coach in the Sixers who just had to sit through the process? Brett Brown, I believe it was. He might be like the Brett Brown of the Saints because he's going to be gone by the time they have a good team. Which is why we should abolish the draft.

1:01:42Patrick Claybon:Anyway, let's go to our next game. Yeah. The Cleveland Browns are two and a half point favorites at the team that traded everybody. The New York Jets, the over under is 37 and a half. It's a game on CBS Bureau of Duties and Adam Archuleta. They're on the call. We get Dylan Gabriel taking on a Jets defense that is losing some big names because they're going to be playing elsewhere, Greg. How do you see it going? I like the Jets coming off a high of not only winning the game,

1:02:13Steve Wyche:which I really must feel like helped their building quite a bit, but weirdly a high of the trade deadline. I think these trades, and this isn't for the team on the field necessarily, but I think it's for the fans. It actually, it's going to give everyone some hope. And I don't think that's, like, that's worth something. I actually think the fans are going to look at what happened on Tuesday, Monday, and with good reason feel like, okay, at least you know what you're doing. You have these picks over the next two years. Your first two picks this year look pretty good. And so that's the picks you really got to hit on.

1:02:50Steve Wyche:You have two good tackles. You have a number one receiver. You have a couple young defensive players who are still there that are good players. Jermaine Johnson didn't get traded. There was a report that the 49ers wanted him, but they wouldn't give up a second for him. And I was like, okay, the Jets had their price. They weren't just going to give away good players for the sake of it. And I think they made a decision on Sauce Gardner that he wasn't quite that dude. I think if Aaron Glenn really believed, like, this is the guy to build around, like, they wouldn't have traded him. For the right price, they were going to trade him, and they got the right price.

1:03:22Steve Wyche:What did they ever? I think they did get a great price on both the guys. So I like that they have a direction.

1:03:28Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that Jermaine Johnson coming out and being so emphatic about wanting to stay a Jet and wanting to be a Jet, which he made some comments because it was very out there that he was someone teams were calling about, particularly the 49ers. That also gives them something. Because remember last offseason, when Quinton Williams and, and I hope that he has like, I hope he thrives in Dallas. We talked about this earlier this week. Love that move for, for both sides. Um, but Quinton Williams was like, okay, here we go. Another rebuild. You're not going to put that guy through yet another rebuild, which they're clearly going to be doing with all those draft picks after this season.

1:04:07Jourdan Rodrigue:Right. Um, and you're, you're keeping a guy like who's vocal about wanting to be there. And, and, and I I think all of these in combination gives them a little bit of juice. This is a, every game is a dangerous game for the Cleveland Browns, but this is a dangerous game just off energy alone. This is a team that's ascending towards something that has a plan that clearly is showing that they have a vision versus a team that has been in pure chaos for years and still is.

1:04:34Steve Wyche:The Jets were favored in this game before the trade, and then it flipped around, which is odd to me. I want to see Aaron Glenn do a little magic like Dan Campbell did his first season. Just be respectable and competitive.

1:04:45Patrick Claybon:The fact that Flip tells me that they think that John Chuck is going to do something in the run game. So that's all I can see because I'm with you. I think the Jets, it's probably a pretty feel good. The players are like, well, everyone thinks we're going to suck. It's going to be horrible. Let's go out there.

1:04:59Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, we'll show you. Yeah.

1:05:00Patrick Claybon:Nobody believed in us. I mean, I just think, I mean, like you're saying, Jermaine Johnson wanted to stay. You know, where did Aaron Glenn come from? From Detroit, where nobody wanted to be. Then they found guys who wanted to stay. And that's how they built it. That's a good point. So I think they have different leadership from the top of Detroit, which is very important to the way that their success has gone. But we get it now. When Woody Johnson said, hey, our quarterback stinks, but I'm not worried about Aaron Glenn, he knew exactly what they were doing, what they were getting ready to do. And I think all those things in terms of the feel and the place where you go with how you feel about it.

1:05:36Patrick Claybon:You summon Tom Berenger as Jake Taylor. where, you know, the Cleveland at that time, still rocking the slur name, where it's like, okay, there's only one thing left to do. Win the whole thing. But, you know, the Super Bowl is not necessarily in the question.

1:05:53Jourdan Rodrigue:Just maybe this one game, yeah. Let's just try this one game. How about a home game? One home game. One home game. You got all the things.

1:05:58Patrick Claybon:You got disrespect from the top. You got people doubting you. Like, go out there and beat a team that's been weird on offense. Like, let's be honest. The Cleveland Browns have been weird on offense for a while since they fraudulently decided to not start Jacoby Brissett. That's where it all went. You get that guy in as opposed to playing.

1:06:17Jourdan Rodrigue:All roads lead back to Jacoby.

1:06:19Patrick Claybon:And Joe Flacco. If there's a place for the Jets to win again and feel good, it feels like it's there at MetLife on Sunday.

1:06:26Steve Wyche:And they've got Brees Hall still. Garrett Wilson. They've got Garrett Wilson. You're tied in.

1:06:32Patrick Claybon:You're on tied in.

1:06:32Steve Wyche:You know, Aaron Glenn has not. The thing I want to see a little bit is can he coach defense a little bit? because those defenses in Detroit, they were pretty rough early, and they got better, and this Jets defense has been rough. Why don't we listen to Aaron Glenn talking about Brees Hall, how he didn't move? Well, I think I've said this many times over and over that Brees is not a guy I want to get rid of. I mean, he's a damn good player. And any of those whatever you say came out, I don't know what you're talking about. The only thing I know is I've said that over and over again. And so I don't think there's anything new to you guys.

1:07:08Steve Wyche:The franchise tag, unfortunately, for Brees Hall is a good bargain, actually, for NFL teams. Just a ticket down the road. Wouldn't surprise if he was there. And this game may not feel like it matters much in the standing. But if you're into Tankathon, this game is pretty big in terms of angling. And these are the two of the teams that each have extra first round picks. So they're both going to be very active in this draft. And so it's all for positioning. And that's why we should abolish the draft.

1:07:37Patrick Claybon:Because we have multiple fan bases cheering for their teams to lose. They're not.

1:07:41Steve Wyche:I think the fans are all rooting for them to win. It's been so miserable. They want to win.

1:07:45Jourdan Rodrigue:You guys want to hear a crazy stat I just pulled from NextGen? Just to lighten the mood. Well, really lighten the mood. Who looks light? Okay. Miles Garrett has a 16.2 % pressure rate this season. Okay? Which is 15th highest in the NFL. So, good. Not great for him. it's his third lowest since at least 2018 so even if he's playing like a top 15 pass rusher it's his own personal third worst which just shows you how good he is and how good he can be and oh

1:08:17Steve Wyche:my god once again i hate this for him and he's just racking up sacks i think yeah and he's

1:08:22Jourdan Rodrigue:converting on 30 of his pressure and their sacks yeah here's the other part it's not like they're

1:08:26Patrick Claybon:playing with a lead and the other team's throwing the ball for it yeah which makes this even more Which is why he's so good. He's had to do it year after. But guys, internet guy says, hey, the team that you play for loses and you can't be upset about it because they're paying you. So stop caring, Miles Garrett.

1:08:44Steve Wyche:Always listen to internet guy. That's my motto. Coming off a bye. I am internet guy. I like it when both teams coming off a bye. So big game. Jets, Browns. What a way to finish our early games. You know, stay right here. And by here, I mean this podcast feed. Look, if you're watching on YouTube, actually, there's no stop at all. Let's talk about the late games. Oh, we got some bangers in the afternoon in primetime games. Ooh.

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