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18:04And they are good at that. But they get through that game playing well and they were not healthy. Teron Johnson, their great slot corner, out for this game. Christian Benford, out for this game. Michael Hoyt, we've mentioned, is out for the season. AJ Epinesa, their pass rusher, out for this game. They lose Landon Jackson, their rookie defensive lineman. And during the game, Josh Palmer was also out on offense. So especially on the defensive side, they're not fighting fair. And yet on the offensive side, they're healthy enough. And there was like a fourth and one play early in this game, Jordan, that to me was very typical where it's like they're rolling Josh Allen out and they're just making it harder than it needs to be.

18:42And he's back there forever, to your point about the time to throw. And he's throwing the ball like super deep on a fourth and one. And you're thinking you got James Cook. Like they were shut out in the first half of this game for the first time in more than two years.

18:55Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. More often than not, when I clicked over to this game, it seemed like they were pressing too hard on offense. Almost squeezing, squeezing the puppy too tightly. You know, you got to back off a little bit. Don't squeeze any puppies here. No, that's what I'm saying. We love our puppies. Don't do it. It's uncomfortable. Right. And this is a team. The Bills were 14 and two against the Dolphins. And you kept seeing these cut to shots of Josh Allen on the sideline, just looking like he couldn't believe what was happening to them. And certainly, you know, the Dolphins just parted ways with Jalen Phillips, for example.

19:26Gregg Rosenthal:And yet their defense suddenly is looking better than it had. The Dolphins offense has been without Tyreek Hill for a while and obviously had that front office shakeup. And then questions and calls coming in about not just their head coach and what his future is going to be, but questions about many of the players on the roster, questions about the quarterback. And this group looks better. You know, it is almost functionality out of chaos, which is a little worrying long-term for, like, stress levels and the heart, for example, heart health, for example. But I feel like this is such a shock and a wake-up call to the Bills.

20:01Gregg Rosenthal:As depleted as they are on the defensive side, there has to be some tough conversations that happen now.

20:08Patrick Claybon:Well, there's also the oblong nature of the spheroid that went the opposite way for Buffalo and has gone the opposite way for the Dolphins for most of the season, where James Cook's knee is a fraction of an inch from being down. The ball gets poked out on a promising run. He actually averaged north of five yards a carry. Josh Allen had what felt like a 16-yard run on a quarterback sneak where it was just all sneak the whole way and probably should have gone down after 15, but he has the ball getting knocked out. He throws an interception in the red zone. He's picked off by Melifanwu, who had solid coverage.

20:43Patrick Claybon:It's just Josh trying to make a play, squeezing a ball in there. And so those turnovers key, but just execution for Miami. Best they've had since the game against the Falcons. And I know Tua ended up with two interceptions, so it wasn't a clean game in the end. But that was a dime, that touchdown to Waddell, and he had some very nice throws in this game. So give him some love. Would they put 30 points on the Bills, get their third win of the season? All right, that's our AFC East update for the day. Let's head out to the NFC West, where it felt like this Rams 49ers game had a chance to be kind of the appetizer for the Rams-Seahawks game next week.

21:26But really to make that game as good as it can be, the Rams had to go and they had to even the score and take care of business in Santa Clara.

21:34Patrick Claybon:What are you thinking? Play action pass here?

21:36Nick Shook:If you really want to deliver the kill shot, sure. Matthews under center. Formed a single back. Davis Allen motions from the right side. It is play action. Stafford ready to deal. He throws. No look left side. Alone Parkinson. He can walk right in. Touchdown, Colby Parkinson. And Matthew Stafford sticks the dagger in San Francisco. Oh, like Jordan Roderick to Brandon Bean. What a great call there by MJD. Setting his partner up with a great question before. and he nailed it. JB Long on KSPN, 42-26. The Rams win. And how fitting, Jordan, that a tight end kicks off our Rams discussion because you were geeking out about the tight end usage today.

22:24Gregg Rosenthal:I know. Aren't you sick of me by now, Greg, sitting next to you and just freaking out over 13 personnel sitting next to you in the cube? You did have a long rant about 13 personnel while this game was starting. I'm like, the Texans are in the middle of the craziest comeback I've ever seen. Like right now, I don't need to hear about the first quarter of this 405 game or whatever's going on. Yeah. You're like, my game's still going. My game's still going. It was great. Okay. The caveat here and yes, 49ers fans, and I'm so sorry. And I hear you. Your team is so injured. Your defense is so injured.

22:56Gregg Rosenthal:You may perhaps for a minute, there was a worry that you're going to lose Tatum Bethune again. Another inside linebacker came back into the game. Yes, that is the big caveat here. But the thing that is a truth here is that the Rams look like a Super Bowl team. But the thing about this Rams offense that is different from its previous iteration of its Super Bowl winning team, besides being homegrown and not picks for players and all of that, is how much deeper their schematic options can go. This is no longer an 11 personnel all the time dominant, we do not deviate team. This isn't even a 12 personnel team.

23:32Gregg Rosenthal:So two receivers, two tight ends offense. This is actually, it skipped right past and Sean McVay's taped his foot around the gas pedal. And it is a 13 personnel, three tight ends on the field, one receiver team. And you saw this today at a 44 % rate, 44.8 % of their plays were 13 personnel for 6.73 yards per play and a 63 % success rate plus four of the six total touchdowns that they put up on the 49ers today. This was their most productive personnel grouping of the game beyond 11 personnel, beyond 12 personnel. And yes, again, it came against a really, really banged up 49ers team, but this is a schematically diverse and multiple Rams offense that is really hard to defend because they can hit you with probably the deepest tight ends roster in the league.

24:25And obviously that's helping to open up the pass game. And all three tight ends, too, were active. Ferguson has a 32-yard catch, and Higby and Parkinson are both active with three or four catches over 30 yards each. But it's also helping the running game, where, to me, just when I saw this game, and then you look at the success rates comparing the two teams, and you look at Christian McCaffrey getting stuffed for 30 yards on 12 carries, like the Rams are the much better running team. And you know that that has to kill Kyle Shanahan deep inside, that the Rams are like the running team between these two teams.

24:59Patrick Claybon:And we got to a point where I was seeing Brian Robinson Jr. with early carries. It's 21 to nothing. And I'm thinking, oh, this is a white flag from Kyle. Brian Robinson Jr. averaged twice as many yards per carry as Christian McCaffrey. And you kind of start to wonder if they're going to deploy their backs differently as the season goes on. where CMC is clearly like far and away one of the better players in terms of being involved in the pass game not having success on the ground and hasn't been for a while you pointed out something

25:30Gregg Rosenthal:important Greg about their usage of these heavier personnels that I think makes it really tough for teams more so than even having to figure out how this comes out uh to defend against the passing attack Kyron Williams uh had almost 60 percent of his carries today out of 13 personnel 50 percent success rate, 5.1 yards per carry, both touchdowns that he scored. When you're looking at the modern version of some of these heavy personnel teams, including even the Pittsburgh Steelers and certainly the Seahawks, what they do out of 12 personnel, they're building that heavier personnel specifically with the idea of passing the ball.

26:05Gregg Rosenthal:The Rams started that way as well. You look at how some of the stats have shifted and some of the carry share has shifted into heavier personnel and in the heaviest of personnel, right? And you're looking at them building their run game around this as well, including having it be such a force and a factor in the pass game to the point where, you know, Devontae Adams leaves the game with a back injury after scoring, you know, his eighth touchdown and eight red zone catches. And they just shift immediately over to 13. And it's like, they don't even lose a step. And it sort of like makes you remember, oh yeah, Devontae Adams and Matthew Stafford Stafford are having an incredible season.

26:44Gregg Rosenthal:So if Pukunakua is down, Devontae Adams is up. And I want to take a look at that touchdown and listen to it because it was just what's becoming a vintage moment between the two.

26:54Nick Shook:Second down and goal from the two. Helmet high snap. Looking left. Throws that way. And it's caught for a touchdown. Devontae Adams. Touchdown LA. Knocks over a videographer with a 27-14 lead. shaken up, but good to go. Devontae Adams continues his streak. He leads the NFL with nine receiving touchdowns.

27:20Gregg Rosenthal:Now that I'm looking at that, I'm wondering if that's where his back injury happened because he hit that camera pretty hard. So they updated after the game that they're calling it an oblique now. And they said they thought he could have possibly returned to the game. So we'll see about his status for next week. But very typical ramps to change the injury after the game. But great, great release. You have him lined up on Malik Mustafa and it was just a vintage Adams release off the line of scrimmage and he just wins quickly. And yeah, a storyline early in the season was how they couldn't get it going in the red zone really to Devontae.

27:53They were forcing it and now he is absolutely dominating. Before we leave this game, I do want to just introduce the idea publicly of the Mac Jones-Brock Purdy scale. I mean, because, man, Mac Jones only had six incompletions in this game. He goes over 300 yards. He throws three touchdowns like he did his work. And the more I watch Mac Jones, baby, the more I watch him in this offense, he's really adding something to the table. And I and I said to you, Patrick, and you thought it was obvious. So I felt good about that. No, no, that Greg misquoting. No, no, no, no. I'm not misquoting. I said the average Mac Jones game at this point.

28:28What does that feel at a higher level than the average Jimmy Garoppolo game for the 49ers? Yes, that's all I'm saying. And so Mac Jones, you know, you know that game when you're when you're at like the carnival of you're hitting, you know, you're trying to hit it. And the guy's like climbing up the hill a little bit. Like if you're on the scale of like an average quarterback in a Kyle Shanahan system, maybe like replacement level, it's Nick Mullins. And then you're going up the level and there's Jimmy Garoppolo. Mac Jones has now passed Jimmy Garoppolo and he's getting reasonably close to Brock Purdy.

29:01Like he's behind him. But, you know, he's he's getting close.

29:04Patrick Claybon:Yeah, my only issue with that part is it starts by invoking Brock Purdy. And we don't need Brock to say that, you know, Mack has surpassed Jimmy Garoppolo on the Kyle Shanahan quarterback scale. That's a fine discussion. I just think we don't need to invoke Brock. Okay, I'm just saying it's getting closer. That's all. Reportedly, he could be back next week. And Kyle Shannon even said after the game that he thinks Brock Purdy could have been the backup today and was very close to being ready to go. And they wanted him 100 % before he returns in. I have a feeling now 6-4 that will be next week for the 49ers.

29:46All right, let's move on to Berlin, where we were hoping for a good one, and we got one. We sent the international fans home happy. We also got to hear a little bit more of Will Gavin this season.

29:59Patrick Claybon:Ball goes to Taylor, bounce to the outside, down to the five, four, touchdown Jonathan Taylor!

30:06Nick Shook:His third of the day as he goes for over 230 yards, three touchdowns and a walk-off for the Indianapolis Colts in Berlin who moved to 8-2 on the season after his sensational day the entire 53. three. Every coach, everybody on the field is gathered around Jonathan Taylor who has carried this team to victory on German soil. What a day. What a day for Jonathan Taylor. What a day for Berlin and what a result for the Colts. Oh, that's Olly Connolly helping out Will Gavin on Talk Sport. I was driving in to work when I heard that call and I thought, well, I'm going to hear that call again later today.

30:47That was awesome. 31 to 25. Yes. Jonathan Taylor carried the ball 32 times today for 244 yards. If you had told me that his 83-yard run in the fourth quarter to take the lead was not going to be the call of the game, and we will hear it, I just wouldn't have believed it. This was a performance, I think, Patrick, that could send shockwaves into the MVP conversation formula that you've been working on.

31:15Patrick Claybon:It already has. Okay, let's hear it. It already has to give a preview, and Greg's asking for it. Greg is a part of the scoring and integral part when you have access to the mind of a Greg Rosenthal. Jonathan Taylor, despite having negative points to start to come into week 10 because he doesn't play quarterback, has now surpassed his own quarterback in senior dimes in the conversation because Daniel Jones, despite getting five points for leading the league and passing yardage coming into the week, does not get the points for a quality primetime performance. Greg scoring the negative dimes game with the turnovers.

31:53Patrick Claybon:Well, that's tough. And so Jonathan Taylor supersedes his quarterback. And I think we have a precedent set here where if you're going to score in the conversation against your teammate, one guy has to have a clearly better game than the other. Yeah. And that's clearly Jonathan Taylor. So no points for. I think the fact that it happened in an island game and everyone could see that, yes, Daniel Jones is important and made plays. That's why I feel bad about saying negative because, you know, he had that third and 14 to set up the game tying field goal right before the end of regulation. The run.

32:25That was important. A number of scrambles to get to 53 yards on the ground. They did fall behind in this game, but you also can't ignore the sequence where he had an interception and three fumbles in about a five, you know, possession sequence. That's not ideal.

32:40Gregg Rosenthal:Starting to worry about the fumbling. a little bit. Just saying, we know this has been a problem before. I have no doubt that with this group around him of really talented people and coaches, that can get cleaned up. But yeah, I'm noticing. Not judging yet. I am noticing. And there were a ton of free rushers on him. He only lost one of those fumbles. But to me, if you fumble it, that's just as bad. It's luck whether you get it back or not. Their offensive line really struggled to identify rushers for the second straight week. So that's something for their team to clean up during the bye. That's not necessarily on daniel jones because man he was under pressure quickly a lot of plays and

33:14Patrick Claybon:that's why perhaps the biggest gift of this week of nfl football was on the final drive in regulation for the indianapolis colts jeff albreg sends blitzes on first and second down to force the third and 21 and then they have a four-man rush where daniel jones is able to run and pick up 19 of those yards and then on fourth down they bring back the blitz uh jones has mpj on the hot read wide open to the top of the screen. Instead, he decides to use the force to Tyler Warren, who has a defender all over him, but somehow gets fits the ball in there for the first down, which, hey, we're results oriented.

33:52Patrick Claybon:Great decision. Well, I agree with you. But Tyler Warren is such a beast. And I believe it was Jesse Bates there in coverage. And he just at this point, trusting Tyler Warren to moss anyone on the biggest play of their season, because if you don't complete that, the game's over. Falcons win. And it's not a bad decision. Tyler Warren makes the catch. And, you know, and he also turns in upfield and makes the play. Man, he has a good feel of like where the defenders are going to be after he makes these catches.

34:19Gregg Rosenthal:There was a quiet battle going on between Daniel Jones and Jesse Bates for the entire game. Obviously, Jesse Bates was super aggressive on the ball, winning coverage. But also, they were sending him in some of these creepers. So looking like you're going to blitz, but then not actually blitzing. And they were sending him on some of these pressure looks where on one of the turnovers that Jalen Walker forced a fumble, excuse me, James Pierce Jr. forced a fumble this week. It was the reverse last week. And Jalen Walker scooped it up. Jesse Bates was, Daniel Jones was looking at Jesse Bates coming off to his right the entire time.

34:52Gregg Rosenthal:He wasn't even clocking what was going on to his left. And it was basically a free rush right at him. Ended up being a turnover. They were going back and forth all game. I thought it was really, really cool to watch. The score to me on the cold side does not necessarily show how much fun this Atlanta Falcons defense is sometimes to watch. And yes, some of the calls when they'll make the right call for two of the downs and then be like, ah, where'd it go on the third down? But this defense has come so much further than I expected them to in one year under Jeff Goldbridge. I think this game was, and they're playing one of the best offense in the league, is kind of typical of what this Falcons defense is, which is they're a big play defense, kind of going against a big play offense.

35:33but they give up a lot of big plays. They don't have enough of a consistent pass rush, but the secondary is good. And they lose Alford, Robert Alford, early in this game. D Alford? I'm losing my, I'm confusing my Alfords that have played for the Falcons. 500 yards for the Colts in this game. And yet I blame this game on the Falcons offense. Really, the defense has more than done its job all season long. But in a game where, you know, the Colts pick up a new kicker, they miss a kick short, and miss an extra point early. They have zero third down conversions through the first three quarters of this game.

36:11Like I mentioned, they had the four fumbles. They had two failed fourth down potential conversions deep into Falcons territory, where I think they were almost afraid to let the kicker kick. And they also made sense at the time. They had the intercept. All of that happened on the other side of the ball. And yet the Colts kept having the ball down four points with a chance to win the game. This Falcons offense should have put this game away earlier and they were just horrific on third downs on dropbacks on third downs. Michael Penix completed one of five passes for four yards. He took three sacks and fumbled the ball away.

36:48They had negative 31 yards on those eight dropbacks and in a game where like there's no DeForest Buckner. It's not like the Colts had a great pass rush in this game. They're just their passing game, I think is, is killing them.

37:01Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. The offense is driving me nuts. Don't think I did not notice Mike McDaniel running, uh, HN out of the pistol for huge production today, by the way, just in case backup plan, you know, backup plan in case some shuffling happens. There was a weird under center play by Michael Penix in this game. And I was like, Ooh, and then it was like the only one just in case Atlanta is in the market, you know, this off season, you know, just in case some things move around but yeah I I remain absolutely infuriated at times um by this offense and a lot of the passing game is just predicated on what can Drake London do six for 104 and a touchdown six for 104 and a touchdown he had a hat trick last week but they they lack so much dimension in other areas of their pass game and yes Bajon went for 84 yards on 17 attempts so 4.9 per attempt, but it was so start, stop, start, stop.

37:51Gregg Rosenthal:And then he's completely a non-factor in the game within the red zone. Well, in overtime, I do think, you know, players not plays. And it's one drive in overtime, and it's a very short drive. It ends up being five plays. And, you know, it's Darnell Mooney, who had a killer drop in regulation, eight targets to Mooney for one catch. And it's Algier a lot at the end of this game. And they didn't get Drake Lennon a target. like at the end of the game where in overtime, who did Dana Jones throw to Tyler Warren? Like it was all Tyler Warren and you trust your best players.

38:23Patrick Claybon:Yeah. And there are so many situations where you look back. We've talked about the Falcons inability to use the middle of the field in the passing game. And then they had a great opportunity. David Sills got one target today and it was a nasty miss by Penix where you, you know, at this point in the season, it can't just be Zach Robinson.

38:38Gregg Rosenthal:It's, it takes a village to have a passing game. It takes a village to ruin an offense.

38:43Patrick Claybon:And you got to put the blame on nine on some of these. I understand they don't use the middle field a lot. David Seals and his connection maybe be non-existent, but you could meet strangers. Not nine that suits up for the Vikings, the alter ego. This is Michael Pennick. The actual quarterback who plays for the Atlanta Falcons who wears number nine, to my knowledge, only is one person. Yeah, you're absolutely right. He was inaccurate for a lot of the day. He finishes 12 for 28, and he was getting a lot of negative texts from Nick Wessling to me. Just like, I've never thought Michael Penix had it.

39:18He doesn't have it. There's not enough, you know, oomph. And, you know.

39:22Patrick Claybon:But that's the thing. He does, like, the things that Michael Penix Jr. is good at are very difficult to do. Like, it's difficult. I'm not seeing it enough right now.

39:30Gregg Rosenthal:He needs to develop an easy button. Yeah. Yeah. If they can get some. Play action passing to the middle of the field. Run dagger for Christ's sake. And some of it's on the coaches, too, because this team, they cannot get plays off in time. Like how many plays there were literally two drives that were ended because Michael Penix was not ready for the snap because they had to snap it too quick. And he's like walking up and they're running out of time. And so I don't know if the plays call is getting in late, but just the operation is, is just rough. They're three and six, a lot of questions for the Falcons going into their by the Colts are at eight and two, man, they are feeling better going into their by.

40:05And before we say goodbye to this game, let's actually go to break by listening to Will Gavin again, because, yeah, we got to hear that touchdown call. Remember, the Falcons were winning this game in the fourth quarter, 17 to 13. They give up a field goal drive, then they get stopped for a three and out, and then Jonathan Taylor takes over.

40:26Patrick Claybon:Under center now, Daniel Jones. Has Pittman going in motion? Has Jonathan Taylor in the backfield? Gives it to Taylor, up the middle. Gets the yardage needed for the first down, maybe a yard more. He's past the outside.

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45:55Nick Shook:Mark Andrews and the Ravens extend their lead with 10.40 left to play in Minnesota they extended they did and they hold on 27-19 the Ravens win their third straight game to get to 4-5 same record that the Vikings have in the loss. Patrick, they were just knocking on the door all day, settling for field goals all day. The Ravens finally break through, get a touchdown early in the third quarter from Justice Hill. And I got to say, you know, from the outside, and you can tell me as the one who wore some purple today, it felt like the Ravens defense is keeping them in this game and waiting for the offense to hold up.

46:41Patrick Claybon:Shout out to Vanessa in wardrobe picking this outfit for me. I had no say or other. She literally had to help me button the collar because I didn't know that it actually buttoned. You know what's sad is I have no idea. Oh, yeah. Nice.

46:53Gregg Rosenthal:That's cool. It's sad. I would have no idea that it's purple, but I know it because Jordan said it earlier. So I'm just copying it.

47:01Patrick Claybon:I still, this is in the range of the spectrum where I just, whatever somebody says it is, it's dangerous because my wife will be like that's magenta or whatever and I'm out. You feel the pain of the colorblind community. I appreciate that. Stand in solidarity. He's an empath. But generally been feeling pain regarding this Baltimore Ravens defense where they've gotten seven turnovers in the last three games they get enough from Tyler Loop. I know there are those who may be seated at this table with me who are oppositional to kicking field goals but they give you three points and you are allowed based on the rules to keep those three points for the duration of the game.

47:40Patrick Claybon:Yeah, it's a back-and-forth game, Jordan. Sometimes when you're, like, way ahead, though, the other team can come back, and that's how it goes. They can. But when you get, you know, Marlon Humphrey picking off J.J. McCarthy, as he did on what was essentially a punt, where Justin Jefferson fell down. Justin Jefferson, I believe, finished with 13 targets and four catches in this game, where Zach Orr executed the plan pretty much almost to perfection where there was an opportunity for a two-point conversion after a late touchdown from Jalen Naylor where Nate Wiggins was arguing for a pass interference call, which is okay not to do during the play, though, which allowed Jalen Naylor with a late touchdown that gave the Vikings a little bit of hope.

48:27Patrick Claybon:They went for two, but you just saw the way the bracket coverage was designed on Justin Jefferson to limit him and Jadobie Wuzier had a breakup there. But, you know, the Ravens continue to excel on play action. That touchdown pass to Mark Andrews, I will fight those at NGS who say that that is not a play action play, despite having Lamar sprint out to the right, where the entire Vikings defense is looking at him and not Mark Andrews on the back line. But a solid performance where, yeah, they could have been successful in the red zone a little bit more. But all you need to do is get enough to win.

49:02Patrick Claybon:I guess a solid team on the road is a team that's playing a lot better than they were a few weeks. They're stacking different types of performances. The offense hasn't been as consistent, as explosive as maybe you would expect, but this is a very difficult matchup, and eventually they broke through. Let's actually listen to that McCarthy interception that you referred to. He had a couple of them today.

49:23Nick Shook:Vikings three of seven on third down. This is third and short. Two tight ends. They're balanced. Offset eye right. McCarthy on third and one is going to pass from under center. He's going to go deep. Jefferson fell. And Marlon Humphrey picked it up. Picked it off at the five-yard line. The veteran Marlon Humphrey heads up the field. Ways a lead to the 15. Now he sprints 20-25. And J.J. McCarthy has thrown two interceptions. Wow, Paul.

49:50Gregg Rosenthal:Both interceptions when targeting Justin Jefferson also. Pete Bursich on the call there, along with Paul Allen on KFAN, going, what are you doing in the middle of that call?

50:02Patrick Claybon:I mean, right out of his hands, Pete was asking, what are we doing? And that's why I know Jefferson fell. And I saw some critical tweets in Vikings Blue Sky about Jefferson today that he had a couple of plays that he normally would have made. You don't normally hear that. But an up and down game from J.J. McCarthy where great first drive again in a couple really good throws, but also some plays where he looked very young, including the end of game situation. They had the ball back down eight with a chance to go, you know, possibly try to tie and win the game. And that two minute situation seemed to overwhelm McCarthy.

50:40Gregg Rosenthal:Well, it seemed to overwhelm you too, Greg. It was a tough one to watch. If you just like good ball, I mean, he's just, he's just like throwing the ball in the middle of the field and sliding down. It's taken forever to make decisions too. He just wasn't ready for that moment.

50:54Patrick Claybon:And it also gives credence to the defenders of the three-man rush, where on the fourth down, the Ravens decide to rush three, much to my chagrin, as I'm on TV watching this take place. But they come through, and J.J. throws to Aaron Jones late, where Jones is having to try to make a diving grab, and it was too little too late. Well, I think the thing that bothers you about that clip is that's a play where J.J. McCarthy has absolutely perfect protection. so it's more the decision that feels like it was made before the play instead of basing it on what you're seeing in terms of coverage down the field and there was no need to rush that throw but also as a play caller right as much as I love Kevin O 'Connell you have a third and one in that situation and you have Justin Jefferson uh running that route like yeah it's kind of what you want

51:41Gregg Rosenthal:just uh JJ to look for yeah he he took it he uh talked about it post game where they were showing a zero look so he knew that Justin Jefferson was automatically going to have distance against the defender so I think all of this can be true at once if you have are on a third and one with a quarterback who's kind of been up and down a little bit to that point in the game who was spiraling a little bit after the after the first interception yeah you you definitely are going to maybe like run the ball but if you're facing all of that down low into the box and if you're facing a zero look like that like Kevin O 'Connell was talking about and you know the best one of the best receivers on the planet is going to have a step.

52:18Gregg Rosenthal:You just really need to make the throw. You have to execute the throw no matter what the call is. Um, on the converse, a lot of talk going into this game about Lamar Jackson versus the blitz highest passer rating in the NFL against the blitz still was blitzed on 60 % of his dropbacks, uh, for a, uh, for a touchdown and was eight for 18. So little hit or miss nine pressures hit or miss doesn't say, I don't think it means anything here or there because they send blitzes in different ways. But still, that high amount, that was Brian Flores committing to a game plan.

52:51Patrick Claybon:And you could see Munkin trying to get the ball hard. They were throwing a lot of horizontal passes, one of which Jonathan Grenard seemingly went directly through both of his elbows on a pass to Zay Flowers. They were trying to mitigate that pressure from the Vikings' pass rush a little bit, and we saw that kind of play out in the stats that you mentioned. But, you know, in the difference in the quarterbacking, when you didn't get the pressure, eight made the plays and nine.

53:24Gregg Rosenthal:Which nine?

53:25Patrick Claybon:There are a lot of nine. That's an interesting question. So was that actually nine playing today or was that J.J. McCarthy? OK, so for a little bit of context, J.J. McCarthy says his alter ego is nine. That's the quarterback who has taken all the anger from missing his rookie year and then missing a lot of time this year. and bottled it up and used it for good, supposedly. But if nine was out there today, that didn't seem like a good nine. And there are a lot of other nines. So that's confusing, too. Yeah. In terms of J.J. McCarthy's nine performance today, maybe that's the nines, the devil on the shoulder that's like, throw it deep to J.J.

54:06here. Well, here are the other nines. Okay, so Penix, struggle. Yeah. Stafford, maybe the MVP right now. had a good day for your candidacy, Jordan. Bryce Young, a little bit of a struggle right now. And Burrow, not healthy. So the nines, they're not nining. Yeah. And we played in Berlin today. Nine! I really am so happy, by the way, that we gave Berlin like a banger. That was a fun game. I know we're so far off topic right now. Shout out to Patrick Ricard, by the way. While all these teams are going heavy, we got the old school Patrick Ricard on the field making a big difference for the Baltimore Ravens.

54:43All four and five records, by the way, are not created equal. The Ravens, four and five, they feel like they got a chance here in this AFC North. The Vikings, on the other hand, with a very difficult schedule ahead, are two losses back of the seventh seed in the NFC and the back of a few very good teams in the division, including the Detroit Lions making some news on Sunday.

55:08Nick Shook:I formation behind Jared. He turns, hands it to Gibbs, running right, runs through a tackle, gets down to the 10, Gibbs to the 5, still fighting, down to the 2, down to the 1, to the end zone! Touchdown Detroit Lions! He did not quit! Had a couple of his buddies in there pushing as well, and they pushed him right into the end zone for another score. That was an incredible run by Jameer Gibbs. I know it's not like as long as these Travion Henderson ones, or as long as the Jameer Gibbs one will hear in a second. But that's like one of the runs of the year. I'm giving a next Greg Stats here that from where he got the ball and where the defenders were, he had a 0.06 % chance to get a touchdown.

56:00Actually, no one in the NFL other than Jameer Gibbs is scoring that touchdown. It's impossible. and I submit as great as Bajon Robinson is, the more I watch Jameer Gibbs, I just think he is the best pure runner of the football, at least to my taste in the NFL right now. Man, it's tough. I'm not saying complete player at this set, but just as a runner, this guy is freaking ridiculous. One of the best pure runners I've ever seen.

56:27Patrick Claybon:Yes, and we could celebrate him without integrating. No, we have to compare and then rank. No, we don't. We have to pick one.

56:33Gregg Rosenthal:No, we don't.

56:35Patrick Claybon:I just did. No, we refused. Jordan and I refused to engage. Jameer Gibbs, special football player on a good team with a good play caller. Yeah, let's talk about what the big story coming out of the game was, which was, yeah, Dan Campbell decided to take over play calling. Let's hear from Dan. This is all encompassing.

56:58Nick Shook:You know, we all work together. Coaches did a hell of a job. But I just wanted to change it up a little bit.

57:04Patrick Claybon:You know, let's just see if, you know, maybe a different play caller can, you know, maybe get us a little rhythm. That's all. And it honestly is nothing more than that. You know, I know you're probably going to want to ask questions about, well, what about this? Or I heard this. It's not that. This was a change. We made a change. It was good for today. It was great. 44 to 22. They scored every single possession until they finished out the game kneeling. That's crazy. I just loved how the pitches of his voice changed.

57:38Gregg Rosenthal:Where he's like, no, no. Nothing is wrong. Don't you dare put on the internet that something is wrong.

57:46Patrick Claybon:We just made a little change, which is what 1 ,000 people said on July 14th, 1789, when they stormed the Bastille in Paris. Just made a little change. I just want to say a little, switch it up a little bit. I know what you're going to ask. Don't ask it. Don't ask it. John Morton taking artillery shells here. It reminds you of Dan Campbell's rookie season as a head coach. Why am I forgetting who his play caller was that he replaced in the middle

58:12Gregg Rosenthal:of that season, Anthony Lynn. And I don't think John Morton's going anywhere, but you saw Dan Campbell with those glasses looking at his play sheet, losing his vision. and the offense was awesome. Now it was going against the Washington Commanders. So Dan Campbell was setting himself up for success and it absolutely worked. What I saw a lot of was we're going to run Jameson Williams basically on the same route over and over again. And the Washington Commanders are not going to stop it one single time. And so we're going to dress it up with different formations and we're just going to keep making it happen.

58:48Six for 119 for Jameson Williams. Amon Ross St. Brown had a couple catches and a regrettable touchdown celebration. And yeah, a whole lot of Jameer Gibbs who gets 142 yards on the ground with just some crazy individual efforts. It is fun to watch great quarterbacks and great offenses against this commander's defense. Like I know the commander's defense stinks, but on the flip side, you get to watch them just make like great football players look their greatest.

59:14Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I like when teams, and obviously I don't like it for the other team. I'm sorry for the commanders on that one, but I like when teams show their work I like when teams try things and build things in game because they have the ability to do it. Whether it's a team that's going through a transition or a team that's just flat out doesn't have the guys like the commanders right now. I like watching troubleshooting and game building. Like I love watching those things in reason. We want you know, we want competitive games here. This is the NFL after all. This is Roger Goodell's National Football League.

59:47Gregg Rosenthal:We want competitive games. But I do love watching sort of you draw the different designs and then build off of them in the game like they did. Right. Like there was nothing. I felt bad for like Mike Sanders still at one point, who I think played pretty well in their secondary, was the best player in their secondary. But he's out there competing and everyone else is just getting filleted. Trey Amos left with an injury. The commander's offense really had no chance because, like I said, the Lions scored every single time they had the ball. 30 first downs and 546 yards in a game where they only had eight real possessions before they're kneeled down.

1:00:22It is just outrageous efficiency from the line. So they'll get tested more coming up there at six and three commanders fall to three and seven. And yeah, I mentioned the long touchdown. Why don't we hear actually, you know what I'm going to do? I'm not going to say I'm handing over play calling permanently and maybe it won't be permanent for Campbell either, but I'm going to hand over play calling to Eric Roberts. I don't know if your mic is on right now. And you can tell me if you think this 43-yard rushing touchdown call is worth listening to, and if the play is worth, you know, listening to, I'll give you the play call here.

1:00:54Greg, I've told you in the past, if I put it on the sheet, it's worth our time. Oh! Let's go!

1:01:00Nick Shook:Washington on defense now. Detroit tosses it in. There we go. It's right side. It's right to 20. It's right to turn inside the 5. Touchdown Detroit Lions, 44 yards. Yes, sir. Jameer Gibbs putting together a day,

1:01:16Patrick Claybon:and the Lions have opened up that lead. It is now 41-16. That's a great call there by Dan Miller, Clomas Brown, and Eric Roberts.

1:01:27Gregg Rosenthal:Greg, you're so red right now. I mean, I love it. That's my love language is when people talk trash to me right back. That's what I need. That's what I want. That's what fuels me. and then I talk trash back to him because sometimes some of the press conference quotes you say if you put it on the page, it's worth it. And sometimes they're not worth it. So that's when I have to do my Dan Campbell and be like, well, we might make a change. I don't know if we want to make a change. You might say this, but we're going to...

1:01:55Patrick Claybon:We're learning a little bit about Greg today. The love language, it explains the Belichick of Philly. Explains my marriage too. Let's go to Carolina. Third and seventh. Saints won a four on third down. Here comes some pressure, sucked out of a shotgun.

1:02:13Nick Shook:Throws it deep down the far sideline, looking for Olave, who makes the catch. And Olave will just tiptoe down the sideline into the end zone for a touchdown. Third and seven becomes touchdown. Chris Olave, 62 yards. We have done 10 recaps this season. We have not heard a lot from Mike Haas on WWL. and we have not talked about a game where the New Orleans Saints went belt to ass on another team, 17 to seven against the Panthers in a game that should not have been that close. They double them up in yardage. Jordan, how did this happen?

1:02:54Gregg Rosenthal:Well, I'm really excited to talk about what actually was a pretty ugly game and where it swung in the Saints favor. So you saw at that play, it was 10-7 Saints. There it stayed for quite some time. So guys, if you will indulge me on this, we're going to play a game and it's interactive. Okay. So perk up, Greg. When I cue you guys, you'll ask, did they get points? Okay. Okay. Okay. So let's practice. This is the cue. Did they get points? Great. Okay. So it's midway through the third quarter. The saints are still up 10, seven and Bryce young, miss Xavier Leggett in the end zone after climbing the pocket to throw the Panthers get their field goal blocked during the block.

1:03:34Gregg Rosenthal:it becomes a live ball and the Panthers fall on it and get the ball back.

1:03:38Patrick Claybon:Did they get points?

1:03:39Gregg Rosenthal:No. Bryce Young and Jimmy Horn Jr. fumble in exchange and Pete Werner recovers for the Saints at the New Orleans 17-yard line. Did they get points? No. Panthers outside linebacker Nick Skorton gets a big sack on Tyler Shook on fourth and four early in the fourth quarter to give the Panthers back the ball at their 40. Did they get points? No. Come on, we got to do it together. Bryce Young was intercepted on the next drive. It was a bad read and a bad throw. The Saints got the ball back in Panthers territory. Did they get points? Yes. Shook hit Jawan Johnson for a 30-yard touchdown against J.C. Horn.

1:04:19Gregg Rosenthal:They went up 17-7 after the extra point, and that is where it stayed. The Saints get their second win in Tyler Shook's second start after a long, long middle. Fair. I guess maybe I overstated it at the beginning in terms of domination. But defensively, a day where the Saints not only force a couple turnovers, you know, late in the game, as you talked about, but they hold Rico Dattle to 2.9 yards per carry. Bryce Young ends up with only 124 yards and an interception. And yeah. It was a type of game that made you think the Panther season has been great so far and they can have great Sundays moving forward.

1:05:02They're five and five. The type of game, it's hard to imagine a team that's going to wind up making the NFC playoffs losing. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but this is one you kind of can't lose.

1:05:12Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. And meanwhile, like this and the things that they were doing well, you mentioned it running the ball really effectively. They were not doing well during this game. Bryce Young did not have a great game, made some bad throws, a couple bad. reads there was miscommunications at times between himself and Ted McMillan. Tyler Shook, on the other hand, played really well. He was 19 of 27 for 282 yards and two touchdowns, a big yardage from the explosive plays, like I mentioned before. He was poised. He did not fear the explosive throw. He saw the field well. A couple of big time throws. And my favorite of the bunch was this third and five to Chris Olave that Olave drew a DPI on as he went up and got it one-handed let's take a look at it oh i mean look at this i told greg to get out of his seat look at this olave is turning it on after a pretty slow start to the season i feel like he has played really well he did it with rattler but yes every definitely happening with chuck and every angle of this just shows that not only is he excellent excellent ball skills here but also that shook really trust him that they're starting to build a little bit of chemistry together you could definitely see that today and by the way this stadium bank of america stadium was where his season ended last season and he told reporters post game that he didn't really try to think about it and didn't want to think about it leading up to the game but he got really really anxious once he stepped onto the field and just getting out there and running around and playing football made him settle back in and feel a lot better because that was a scary scary scene for him last

1:06:45Patrick Claybon:year and good for him uh in a great performance where he gets that one hander on shaw smith wade and it needed to be one hand because Wade was fighting for his life and grabbing the other hand. And then on the touchdown pass where J.C. Horn has played great all season long, it looked like J.C. Horn not looking like an all-pro level defender on that one play, which was a rough rep for J.C. And Tyler Shuck did his job. He got the ball to Chris Olave in a place where he could make a play.

1:07:12Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, and they were hand-fighting a lot, and I know Panthers fans wanted the call there. I kind of appreciated that they let them play. That's a really great corner against a really great receiver. So it was really interesting. The player of the game still to me was Derek Brown. I mean, this man is doing everything he possibly can. And then some, he made a big stop on third down at midfield when the game was still like sort of locked at that 10-7 score. And the Saints went for it. And Derek Brown like swam the defender and shot into the backfield. And if Alvin Kamara was not Alvin Kamara and like made half his body go limp to avoid the tackle and then shoot underneath the blocking to convert, this play doesn't happen.

1:07:53Gregg Rosenthal:And so it's like, I would love for Derek Brown week over week over week to have more help. JC Horn has played well for the most part. The linebackers are hit or miss depending on the game. It's just, this is an all-time looking player in his prime right now. And you really just need more from the offense. You need more from everybody. And they're going to have their down weeks. They're not a complete football team, but for the Saints to put up almost 400 yards and for Shuck to go 7 of 10 for 201 yards and two touchdowns on third downs. Yeah. Pretty good. I thought he looked good last week. He looked pretty dang good.

1:08:28Patrick kind of scoffed at me. I was like, I know it was ugly, but I thought he kind of did his job last week against the Rams. I was like, it was a good first performance. He's not all that matters for the Saints. They're going to have a high pick. It won't be quite as high after today. They're at 2 and 8. but his rest of the season is the most important thing about this team. And he's off to a good start.

1:08:49Gregg Rosenthal:If the saints can remove some of the truly infuriating calls and decisions that they have on offense. I do think that this becomes a more complete team. The taste some Hill stuff. Just take it out. Please take it out. Especially don't need it. Short yardage stuff. Take it out, throw it away. He could still be on the team and have a great time. And you can use them on some of the like little sort of like running back hybrid fullback packages, but like do stop lining them up in short yardage where everybody and their mother knows what's going to happen. And then you can't even get a yard. Okay. A couple more things with this game.

1:09:20Number one, the survivor pick is over. You all wanted to take the Carolina Panthers, not a top 25 team. I think in DVOA coming into the week, you all wanted to take them as a survivor pick. I said, I didn't like it. I don't support it, But I had to go along with you guys. Wait, what game did you want? I wanted the Seattle Seahawks against the Arizona Cardinals. You guys did not want that.

1:09:50Gregg Rosenthal:Your memory is an interesting place. It's just a fact. It's literally on a podcast that everyone can listen to. I'm just saying, your selective memory. Eric, well, I might have been reminded before. Greg, you forget so many things frequently. But when you're right, you'll remember. I had to remind him about it because to show that Greg does not listen to the bed music,

1:10:13Nick Shook:the Survivor music played into the game. And then I hit him up in the middle of us and he had the biggest like, oh, that's right. But yeah, no, he ended last, the preview show, with a I win either way because if we win, we win. And then if we lose, you guys lose.

1:10:29Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. Selective memory is what we think. Well, that comes in my ear from my excellent producers.

1:10:34Patrick Claybon:But bifurcating himself and removing himself from we. Terrible. What we seek to. Terrible leadership. Here. It's not just.

1:10:42Gregg Rosenthal:It's like Rabel. It's not about leadership. Rabel removing himself from the personnel department. Right. Guys, he likes all this. He likes us. Negging him. That's true. But no, I ultimately hold myself responsible because I could have just stopped it. That's even more disrespectful of us. It's just true. It's disrespectful. Now we've lost our autonomy. I should have stopped it from happening. What else? The Carolina Panthers. At least they came through on our picks with Cynthia Freeland. That's six straight winning weeks, by the way, on that. Before we go to the next game, I did want to mention here that Paul Tagliabue passed away overnight.

1:11:15And he was 84 years old and he was a commissioner of the NFL for a long time. And I thought this was a spot to do it because he did one of the best things that I've seen any commissioner in any sport do. And that's what stands out to me is Paul Tagliabue when he helped save the New Orleans Saints. that people younger listeners might not remember. Like it was flat out reported by ESPN that the New Orleans Saints were moving to San Antonio. And Tom Benson had made a lot of moves leading up to that report after Hurricane Katrina. He was going to take the New Orleans Saints away from that city after Hurricane Katrina.

1:11:53And Paul Tagliabue, according to all the reporting at the time and afterwards, stepped in there and said, that is not happening. That is not happening on our watch. So in some part, the New Orleans Saints are still the New Orleans Saints because of Paul Tagliabue. So rest in peace to Paul Tagliabue, 84 years old. Let's go to Chicago.

1:12:14Nick Shook:Motion to the right on second and eight from the 17. Caleb Williams under center. Drags another 10 and smith in motion. Here's the snap of the play fake. Williams rolling to his left, running now. 15, 10, 5. End zone. Tiptoes in. Touchdown in the blue paint. Caleb Williams, 17 yards, took care of business himself. He absolutely did. Throughout the fourth quarter of that game, six different scrambles, three for explosive plays. Caleb Williams gets it done with his legs, with his improvisational skills, and let's just say it, with his daring do. This Chicago Bears team, you can put them behind in the fourth quarter.

1:12:57They will find a way to win 24 to 22 touchdowns in the final four minutes of this game. Another heartbreak loss for the New York Giants. More on that in a second. But I think you got to give some love to Caleb when we criticize him for maybe relying too much on just making it up as he goes along and not staying in structure. I think you have to recognize the moments in a game like this one where some of the plays he was making out of structure were just incredible that maybe no other quarterback could make. And it wouldn't have been necessary maybe in these final moments if his receivers had caught some of those great plays that he made.

1:13:45A couple of Zaccheaus drops and other ones in this game did not help Caleb Williams out. and he was not perfect, but he was a playmaker when they absolutely needed it today.

1:13:55Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I believe that six drops total for the game is the highest in any one NFL game so far this season. And I love it because it is also, we've talked a lot about, oh, Caleb Williams and his development and Caleb Williams and learning the system and figuring out how to be with Ben Johnson and all that. It's the reverse also. It's Ben Johnson understanding, like what are the prime moments and the exact right moments to let this guy loose and to really do the things that make him so special as a quarterback and as just someone who sees the game in this very like seven dimensional way. It's just very, very cool.

1:14:32Gregg Rosenthal:And I loved that there were snow flurries in this game and we got all these slow motion shots of him doing these insane like plane bending things and the snow is swirling and the Bears fans can't even believe their good fortune. And they're all bundled up and hugging each other at the game. Like this was, this was a poetic, poetic game. Not if you're the giants, no, but if you're the bears or the bears fans, this was poetry. And this was, you know, a game where both teams had so many missed opportunities. There were two turnovers on downs by each team in the first half where they're going for fourth downs deep in the other teams.

1:15:09And one time it was at midfield for the giants, but they're driving and they're struggling on those fourth downs. There were some crazy decisions by the quarterbacks at times where they're almost going for too much. But ultimately, the Giants are ahead 17-7 in this game before Jackson Dart runs for the sixth time and the final time he did on the day. And his legs were such a huge part of this game. He gets 66 yards on the ground. He's a great runner and he scores two touchdowns on the ground, but he takes a shot and he fumbles the ball while he takes a shot and the Bears recover that play. And the game really turned there.

1:15:54He did not leave the game right away after that play, which is where he suffered his concussion. He reentered the game for a couple more snaps and he clearly wasn't right in hindsight. and then he left the game. Russell Wilson finished it out. And in the final three drives with Russell Wilson at the helm, the Giants had a total of seven yards. So essentially the Giants offense and the Bears defense against Russell Wilson gave Caleb Williams those opportunities and he needed them because they failed to score on the first one of those post-Russell Wilson drives and they needed their defense to get him the ball back and he did.

1:16:33but really a depressing loss for the Giants to go to an eight. And it just feels so familiar. And even in a game where you really feel like you found your quarterback, there's the yeah, but not just the loss, but the yeah, but this guy needs to protect himself more.

1:16:49Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. The feeling it's familiar because the Giants have blown four, 10 plus point leads. Holy cow. So yeah, of course the sense, the ominous dread, even when things are going right, this is a team, you know, There's a specific type of anxiety called catastrophizing, and this is a team that is the actual embodiment of it because at what cost? Something good happens for them. They gain some positive progress, and you just have this feeling like something is lurking and looming around the corner. That is just – I feel for Giants fans. I feel for the players. I feel for everybody because it just feels like this is a pattern that they cannot get out of.

1:17:29Patrick Claybon:Well, the pattern that they were in in this game was pulling tackles and guards with Jackson Dart and going straight quarterback power and having a whole lot of success. Even on the play where Dart does fumble and him reaching and trying to get the fumble, I think was key in the way that his head actually hit the ground, which the fumble happens kind of before the ultimate injury there. and it just to see Russell Wilson come into the game and so to Russ's you know benefit the game's not at net life so they can't boo him the moment that he steps onto the field which is something that they're doing but everything is completely different and I understand that Russell Wilson is a veteran quarterback that can't run like he used to but you could still have Russ run and Russ did scramble in this game and to defend Russ because Dart wasn't officially ruled out he did have a 41-yard completion before dart was officially ruled out and they have a goal to go situation inside the five and they wound up getting a young way cool field goal okay you gotta you gotta wonder like why why is it uh that the offense looks so entirely different and when the rookie quarterback is in versus the veteran quarterback can you not make it look somewhat similar well can you run the ball because you might get fired tomorrow or tuesday and you're gonna go out sorry You're going to go out not going for it.

1:18:46There was a penalty on the Young-Way-Koo field goal that then pushed the ball, and they were already inside the five, but pushed the ball to the one-yard line. And Brian Dable, up seven points at that point, says, we're going to take the three points. We're not going to take it off the board instead of going for the touchdown to try to win this. Just try to get a yard. Try to be a team. And if not, trust your defense to stop them from getting a 99-yard drive. And if not that, then you're in a tie ball game anyways. And he keeps the three points on. And that is Mike Tomlin. When he talks about living in your fears, that is living in your fears.

1:19:24And it's disappointing because Jackson Dart played awesome in this game. I am really getting convinced about Jackson Dart. Like as great as Caleb Williams played in this game, Jackson Dart was as good in this game. Like on the ground, but also a lot of money throws. for 55 minutes of this game. It was really such a different story. And I think they found their guy. I mean, I know it's like a small sample size, but man, he has been better than I expected. So that kind of like Drake may last year for the Patriots. I'm not putting them at like, I'm not saying they're the same players, but I think they got to feel pretty good.

1:19:58Even if this is a totally lost season with a coach that gets fired, like the Patriots a year. Yeah.

1:20:02Gregg Rosenthal:Well that the organization very clearly believes that they've, they found their guy and you can feel it the way that the team previously has galvanized behind him and, and they found their running back and they galvanized behind him and, and everybody is galvanizing behind these, these two players. And then all of a sudden, you know, it is a double-edged sword because of his play style at which he is the most successful. This is the second trip to the blue tent. And obviously one went, you know, the way of Jackson dart would have preferred. And the other one, he clearly is in the concussion protocol.

1:20:34Gregg Rosenthal:So it is something to think about when you're playing like this and you have so much hope and everything feels like maybe the the dawn is coming around the corner the hope is what kills you sometimes i know they had so many cool creative plays too it was way more under center runs it was actually way less in shotgun they had andrew thomas playing tight end on the right side on one play that was so so cool and then in the end you have to wonder like they set a uh all-time giants road losing streak record, which Brian Dable was asked about during the week by a very gutsy reporter, Pat Leonard, who's just like, oh, what do you think about that?

1:21:12It just, OK.

1:21:14Gregg Rosenthal:I love Pat. I love it. Pat has no fear. Pat is the Jackson Dart power run of beat reporters. He is the seedy deuce of beat reporters. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is the one that forced that fumble. He has three sacks in two games as a member of the Chicago Bears. and it's been absolutely crucial in their winning those games. The clock is running. Somebody had to save DA and it's CJ GJ. That is amazing. Let's take one break and let's say goodbye to you guys. This was a lot of fun. You know, we give and we take. We know why you liked it, Greg. Why? You came at me? We pushed, we pulled. It's all part of the beautiful cornucopia of sports.

1:21:58Ah, yes. Have a good rest of the show, everybody.

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1:25:27Gregg Rosenthal:Wait, this is a soda? Yeah. And it has protein? 10 grams. No sugar? Zero.

1:25:33Nick Shook:And it actually tastes good? It's Sky Pop. Sky Pop Protein Soda delivers the refreshing taste you want from a real soda. Crisp and delicious with 10 grams of complete protein, zero sugar, and just 45 calories. So you're not choosing between great taste and real benefits. You're getting both in every sip. Sky Pop Protein Soda. Reach for the sky. Get your Sky Pop Protein Soda now at Target or Walmart. Third down and 12. Brissette. Let's get hit again. Ball bounces. Are you kidding me? He goes to D-Login. Another touchdown. Seahawks. Oh, he can't finish. Lightning strikes twice for the Seahawks defense.

1:26:19Nick Shook:Gorsett rears back to throw. Gets hit. Arms not going forward. Ball bounces right to Demarcus Lawrence. His second touchdown of the game. You can watch football for the next hundred years. I don't think you're going to see the same player, Tyrese Knight, in this case, force a fumble and have a defensive lineman return it for a touchdown for more than 20 yards, twice, in the same first half, in an NFL game ever again. I mean, that is absolutely outrageous. Tyrese Knight did it in the first quarter. Demarcus Lawrence goes 34 yards. He does it in the second quarter. Demarcus Lawrence goes 22 yards.

1:27:10Wild. Steve Rabel, K-I-R-O. That was Dave Wyman, too. Yeah, Demarcus Lawrence had a day to remember. So did the defense, 44 to 22. Nick Shook has joined us. And you get to describe how this Seahawks team is coming up with new and insane ways to embarrass whoever they're playing that week.

1:27:31Nick Shook:Well, first off, you're an absolute pro for teaming me up for this because you're right. You won't see that happen twice in a game. You know why? Because DeMarcus Lawrence became the first player in NFL history with multiple defensive fumble return touchdowns of 20 plus yards. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And he joined a group of three other players, one happening in 1920 for just returning multiple fumbles for touchdowns. And they both came from Tyrese Knight. Like he made the bigger, he was the better player on those. I mean, they were both great, but yeah, he made the plays. Shockingly identical or nearly identical to the point where it happens the first time and you're like, oh, wow, that's great.

1:28:04Nick Shook:And then it happens again. And I'm like rewinding. Like, am I watching the same play that happened before? I know the score is different. The Seahawks are a monster defensively. We've talked about this for weeks, but it felt like this may have been the first game where I watched the Seahawks take the field with nothing but aggression on their mind. Like we are going to take the fight to the opponent. We are going to get after them relentlessly. We're going to blitz. We don't care what the repercussions could be if we don't get home because we know we're going to get home. And they got home plenty.

1:28:31Nick Shook:They wrecked the Cardinals offense. The Seahawks offense continues to be very productive. Before you knew it, blink of an eye, they're up 28-0. At one point in this game, they're up 35-0. The Cardinals were buried before they could even get out of bed. And we basically cruised from there, 44-22 year final. Yeah, I mean, in a game where Sam Darnold ends up losing three turnovers and like a five possessions span. And it doesn't matter at all. Like that's how you know your team is great. Because yeah, that 35-0, it's not like it took that long to get there. It's like early second quarter. Midway second quarter, yeah.

1:29:08It's insane. They had 10 quarterback hits in the game. They also had 10 passes defense. So they're filling up the stat sheet and they just have so many different players doing it. Nick Eamon-Warri looking great. and at one point the yardage was 210 to 32. And this is just an answer, Shook. I was unaware that there were some haters, according to Eric Roberts is telling me, to our power rankings, putting Seahawks number one. Apparently the Seahawks are way lower everywhere else. And I'd like to just present this game as exhibit A, why the haters can eat it and why I never hear from the haters anyways.

1:29:46Yeah, feather in the cap.

1:29:47Nick Shook:Look who was right for at least one week. these two guys yeah i mean it's the nfl they play the rams next week what do you what do you think about the fact that you know kyler murray goes on injured reserve and would this game been any different like it's a statue of a quarterback back there not the guy who's going to be able to get away from this sort of pass rush jacoby brissette i mean there there are more statuesque quarterbacks in the nfl looking at you joe flacco than jacoby brissette but yes he is not a very mobile guy when he does try to run he usually gets hawked down so that's a fair point to make but I think that against this Seahawks defense, this might sound hyperbolic.

1:30:21Nick Shook:That's fine. You can call me, you know, I'm drinking the Seahawks Kool-Aid. I don't care. They are so good at getting pressure from so many different angles that I don't care who's playing quarterback back there because they're going to get home, especially, you know, against a team that's struggling to pick up blitzes like they did. The first Tyrese Knight forced fumble was a five-man rush. The second one was a six-man rush. They both looked identical because that's how good they are at scheming up different ways to get after the quarterback. So I don't really think it's quarterback dependent.

1:30:46Nick Shook:and I will give the Cardinals a little bit of credit because they did battle in this game. They did find a way to get some things going. Jacoby Brissett was feeding Marvin Harrison Jr. 12 times, three connections. Harrison looking very visibly frustrated, but they did have a really nice back shoulder fade. So they stayed in the fight, but ultimately when you fall behind by that much and then you allow the Seahawks to call the vast majority of their plays, I believe it was, let's see, I have the number here. They called a run play 78 % of the time. like you know what the script is going to be there it's the third highest rate in the next gen game or in a game in the next generation wow 16 yeah that's amazing and you know what they were pretty efficient doing it so before we move from this game just what did you see out of this running game with ken walker and charbonnet um some quality blocking but really tackle breaking uh whether it was charbonnet or walker especially charbonnet just running through guys it seemed like they i don't know if this is something that's new or that they had an approach they were focused on this going into this game, but it felt like they were running with a, an intent to be more violent.

1:31:47Nick Shook:If that makes sense, even to the point where George Helani is getting involved and he had seven carries for 31 yards, but all of his runs were really hard. And there was a, it was a run by Charbonnet, a long one where he kind of like, it's basically like, are you get the block here? You get the block here. You hit the hole. You're you're through it. You're through it. Like they're repeatedly hitting the hole with burst, which is something that they've lacked before. It wasn't, you know, it's not like watching Jonathan Taylor run, for example, but it was really encouraging considering the fact that they've struggled to run the ball consistently seven and two atop the division atop the conference early nfc game of the year although we kind of have one every week coming up we also have one on monday night join us on youtube live me and shook eagles packers that's going to be really fun but next week weirdly buried at a 405 window not 425 it's not the national game is seahawks ram so really looking forward to that i am sure sam darnold is going to have to throw the ball more than 12 times what a bizarre stat line, by the way, two incompletions, 16 yards per attempt, but the three turnovers, too.

1:32:47So weird game. Great game. Seahawks showing they are an absolute wagon. Let's go to what I felt was one of the dumbest, most fun, ridiculous games of the entire 2025 season.

1:33:02Nick Shook:Hold on. Buckle up. 37 seconds to go. 29-24. Texans trailing third and goal at the 14. Mills shotgun. Marks to his left. Two receivers. Wide side right. Here's the snap. Davis looking. Davis stepping to his left. Davis on the run. 10. Davis 5. Davis to the corner. Davis! Touchdown Houston! The Texans take the lead on the Mills scramble. Amazing! D. Mills gets it done. D. Mills. He stuck his neck out, and he got the win, and he got the over 212 passing yards that I put on game debut. Thank you, Davis Mills. Mark Vandermeer on KILT. Davis Mills was the quarterback of an NFL team, Shook, that outscored their opponent on Sunday, 26 to nothing in the fourth quarter.

1:34:07True or false?

1:34:11Nick Shook:True or false? I mean, it happened. I watched it happen live. Okay. I thought there was a follow-up there. I'm more shocked. I've never heard your voice go to that range before. I'm still stunned that you could get there. I mean, come on. You give me a chance to make a Mark Vandermeer impression, I'm going to take it. What happened? Because I joined late, and this was a lot of fun. okay so late third quarter jacks going on 11 play 58 yard drive etn finishes off with a touchdown run it looks like they've buried the texans this game is over the texans defense can't stop them enough to make it a game and then the texans find a way to move the football davis mills starts throwing it with zero fear for what might happen and they get down the field 13 plays 65 yards four minutes and 17 seconds it's 29 to 18 okay what maybe they're only down 11 they have a shot because that's when the Texans defense remembered who they were.

1:35:01Nick Shook:Three and out. Get the ball back to Davis Mills. Another touchdown. Dime of a pass thrown to Dalton Schultz over two defenders. Three and out again. Give Davis Mills the ball again. It's third and 10. They're deep inside their own territory. Who does he look for? He breaks the pocket. He rolls right. He finds Dalton Schultz on a perfect pass that keeps that drive going. And the biggest moment, you heard it right there, Davis Mills takes off, shows off the athleticism, and gets into the end zone. and by the end of this game when the game finally ended with a uh a sheldon rankin's fumble return for a touchdown liam cohen was so angry he threw his play sheet he threw his headset he tried to walk toward where he'd thrown it as if he couldn't get off the field faster if he wanted to there goes the headset if you're watching on youtube he ends up throwing the play sheet boom gone now he goes to the belt drop all three the headset i'm i might as well start taking clothes off at this point that's how upset i am with the way this game went and it was all because of the texans their willingness to battle baby you saw the assistant that was behind him that immediately starts picking it up and then you see liam see the assistant picking it up and then so he goes and picks up part of the other because he's feeling bad that he's making his assistant pick it up and he was not happy let's listen to liam cohen after the game the whole message was to squeeze the life out of these guys in the second half and go take it.

1:36:25Nick Shook:Go take it. And it's been a frustration for a while now, obviously, the combination of lack of getting to the quarterback and when we do finishing it. But it definitely needs to continue to get evaluated and see who can help us do those things too. Yeah, so they haven't been getting much of a pass rush. It's interesting he called that out specifically. In the end, the Texans almost doubled up the Jags in yards, 4-12 to 2-13. And anytime you outscore an opponent 26-0 in the fourth quarter, that's a candidate for one of the craziest games of the year. When you do it in this fashion with Davis Mills running for a touchdown, after you have first and goal at the two-yard line, and then you end up at second and goal on the 14-yard line because you're just Texan-ing it up with all these penalties to move you back.

1:37:21And then Davis Mills runs it in, of all things. And then when that's followed up by just one of the most delightful ways to finish the game of the season, that's where you get into special territory. Let's listen.

1:37:33Nick Shook:Three-man rush, it appears, on first and 20 for the Jags from their 35. Lawrence and a gun. Bunch formation left. Seven seconds to go. Here's the snap to Trevor Lawrence. Backing up, stepping up. Lawrence dripped up. The ball is out. The Texans have it. Across the 20, 15, 10, 5. Touchdown, Houston. Rankins, game over. The Texans win it. Houston comes all the way back to defeat the Jaguars. The Texans have changed their season around with a dramatic comeback for the agents. I love it, and I believe it. They needed this win to get to four and five. I mean, that chef's kiss for that to be the final play.

1:38:21But also, what was Trevor Lawrence doing there again? What was happening on that?

1:38:25Nick Shook:Trying to break the pocket and find somebody downfield. Here's the thing. Two plays prior, maybe it was a play prior. He actually threw a really good ball to the sideline that would have put them in Cam Little's range. Gets called back for illegal hands to the face. The sixth lineman got his hands in the face. And that was because they couldn't stop the Texans pass rush in the fourth quarter. Daniil Hunter, three and a half sacks, tied a career high. He was a big part of it. So was Will Anderson. So at that point, Lawrence has nothing left to do, but try to find somebody downfield with the clock essentially expiring.

1:38:50Nick Shook:Oh, you're too, you're too kind to him. And there you go. You get the turnover that ends the game. Although Sheldon Rankin's almost got the Leon let treatment. Like there was a little bit of Don Beebe chasing him down there. Good thing he got across the goal line. Barely got across, but you're too kind to him. You watch the whole game, but Trevor Lawrence, that's a play. They're trying to get to the sideline to get into Cam Little's range. They have seven seconds left. And obviously at that point after the penalty, it's a long shot. They're at their own 35, but you get like 15 yards there. You give Cam little a chance.

1:39:20You get 10 yards there. You give Cam little chance. It looked like we were going to have a Cam little attempt and you got to get rid of that ball quickly. And he sees that the sideline routes are covered. You just got to give your guy a chance. You just got to throw it. It's just got to throw the ball. And if you don't throw it to them, you just got to throw it away to at least set up for one more final play. The thing you can't do is just kind of freeze and hold the ball. And that's, that's kind of a Trevor Lawrence type of play.

1:39:46Nick Shook:And as that play was unfolding, I'm watching the clock and I'm thinking there, even if they completed, they're screwed, like they're cooked. And that's what happened. The Texans are four and five. The Jags are five and four. And yet they feel so different. The Jags, after their hot three and O start, have really come back to the pack. Even the running game wasn't consistent today, although it rarely is against the Texans and the Texans have the Titans next week. And they have maybe the best defense in the league. And they're in a conference where maybe the seven seed could sneak in there. And they get to five and five.

1:40:18So that really does feel like, at least for now, a season saving win for the Texans. Let's move on to a game where neither team is saving their season. At least not in this season. But it doesn't mean that we can't have a little bit of fun.

1:40:32Nick Shook:So Isaiah Williams back deep to receive the punt of Borges. And once again, he'll kick it away from inside his own 20-yard line. And again, returnable, running right with a flag down. Williams at the 26-yard line. He gets loose down the sideline at the 50. Cuts it back left to the 40. He's at the 30. He'll go all the way. 10-5, touchdown. The Jets with their second consecutive kick return touchdown. Kene Wongwu for 99 yards. And now Isaiah Williams does the trick for 76. Pretty rare you see two straight return touchdowns. and I bet it's even rarer if the team that pulls that off loses the game.

1:41:10At that point, I didn't care what the score was. I was like, they're going to win this game one way or another. It was close. The Jets win 27 to 20. That was Bob Wachuzin on WAXQ for clarity. That was Isaiah Williams on a punt return touchdown. And yeah, Kenny Wongu had a 99-yard kickoff return touchdown earlier in the first quarter. So on a day shook where Justin Fields had 54 passing yards, the Jets win pretty comfortably because it was a Browns field goal late that even made it a one score game.

1:41:43Nick Shook:Yeah. Just another research note while I have it up in front of me. They beat the Browns today, despite having only 42 net passing yards. It's the fewest passing yards by the Jets in a win since week five of 1973. Wow. And that's back when they barely threw the ball. The forward pass was barely even invented. I'm kidding. Of course. Yeah. This game was really weird because those return touchdowns obviously were vital to your final score, but it was also right after the Browns had led a nine play 95 yard touchdown drive. That was one of the most impressive drives I've seen from them all season, especially when it came to how Dylan Gabriel led that drive instantly within two returns.

1:42:19Nick Shook:The jets have full command of the momentum of this game. They're at home and the Browns are back to square one, having to try to climb back into this game, which they ultimately did not do. It gave the jets a team that had every reason in the world to lay down and just sleepwalk through this game. After they traded away two of their best players at the deadline and signaled that if it's not a tear down, we're looking toward the future and not this season. Instead, they came out and battled. They fought through adversity. They couldn't throw the football. They couldn't get anything going offensively.

1:42:46Nick Shook:So the return game gets involved. Then the defense is all over the Browns quarterbacks and everything else. And then Brace Hall finishes it off a complete win, not statistically, but visually a complete all three phases of the game win for the Jets. Yeah. It's interesting. The guy that they didn't trade away Brees Hall, and they didn't have a, a high success rate by any means, neither running game did, but he ends up with 83 yards on the, on the ground. Cause he did have, you know, a big run. And then he has a 42 yard touchdown catch that, you know, comprised almost all of Justin Fields, passing yards for the day.

1:43:17The second leading receiver for the Jets was Isaiah Williams with four yards. Crazy. Tied, tied with Mason Taylor, one catch, four yards,

1:43:27Nick Shook:one yard ahead of John Mechie, one catch, three yards. That's where the whole offense was. Okay, this is the type of loss that I, if Kevin Stefanski is going to be on the hot seat, if the GM is going to be on the hot seat, like this is the type of loss that would do it, losing to the Jets, even if it helps out your situation in terms of the draft. As a Browns fan, what disappointed you here? Oh, God. Well, I mean... Where to start? yeah it was really the fashion in which this game ended you know you you know that the browns defense is going to keep them in the game and then they're going to eventually run out of gas in the fourth quarter which is what happened on that breeze hall screen but it was the way the way that the defense and the game ended because the browns need one stop they have all three timeouts they get it down outside the two minute warning they're about to get the stop and then there's a holding call on third and like 16 on devin bush and then that gets the jets a new fresh set of downs.

1:44:21Nick Shook:And then they take it to the two minute warning and the Browns, they still have like a timeout or two left. And then they get another stop and it's fourth and four. And the Browns jump off sides and give them another fresh set of downs and never get the ball back. They would have had the ball back with like 30 or 40 seconds at the most. But the fact that they committed two penalties and two crucial downs and never even saw the football again, I, this game to me, and I've been one of those people that have just said, Hey, the Browns are not playing for this year. It's very clear. This was the first time I've saw, I've seen them lose a game this year in which I thought I could see somebody getting fired tomorrow.

1:44:53Nick Shook:Now it's probably your special teams coordinator, but then Trone because of the returns that they've given up and the miscues that they've had on that side of the ball. But I could definitely see somebody losing their job because of how bad they looked at the end of this game. Disappointing and exciting for the Jets. I do think there is a best case scenario where they win a few games down the stretch and at least feel like they're headed in the right direction. And it's okay. You know, the loss knocks them down to number five in terms of their pick in terms of tank-a-thon. The Browns are at four.

1:45:23We're going to have a lot of Titans and Raiders games, you know, up in Jets and Browns households to see who ends up getting that number one overall pick. We will see. But the Jets win two straight and the Browns lose coming out of the bye. Let's take one last break and then we will get to Sunday night football. Fun one, Chargers and the Steelers. It can be fun, even if it's low scoring. Hopefully.

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1:48:36Nick Shook:EBCLIS, LibriKizumab, LBKZ, a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema. Also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies. EBCLIS can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you're allergic to EpGliss. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems.

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1:49:17Gregg Rosenthal:Wait, this is a soda? Yeah. And it has protein? 10 grams. No sugar? Zero.

1:49:23Nick Shook:And it actually tastes good? It's Sky Pop. Sky Pop Protein Soda delivers the refreshing taste you want from a real soda. Crisp and delicious with 10 grams of complete protein, zero sugar, and just 45 calories. So you're not choosing between great taste and real benefits. You're getting both in every sip. Sky Pop Protein Soda. Reach for the sky. Get your Sky Pop Protein Soda now at Target or Walmart. Herbert. Hands to Kimani. Kimani into the end zone. Touchdown Chargers. Kimani Vidal rewarded for all those hard runs earlier today with the score. And the Chargers are up 21-3. He's getting it done in pass protection.

1:50:10He's getting it done on the goal line. It's Kimani Vidal. Troy's own Patrick Claiborne's favorite player in the NFL. In for a touchdown to give the Chargers an insurmountable lead. in a laugher on Sunday night. The Chargers win Nick Shook 25-10 in a game that Justin Herbert didn't even have to be Superman. He was just a normal man. And that's because his defense kept setting him up and eventually the dam broke. And that running game and the Chargers offense took care of the rest of it.

1:50:47Nick Shook:Yeah, what a testament to cohesive defense by the Chargers tonight. Because if you dive into the numbers, It's not like they were getting after Aaron Rogers on every play. They played phenomenal coverage. They largely bottled up the run, save for a few highlight runs. You know, the Jalen Warren hurdle being one of them. They just played a complete game on that side of the football. And because of that, they were able to take a low scoring. Some might say boring or unexciting affair and turn it into a lopsided victory. And one that I don't think I saw coming. Not, not given the fact that, you know, they, they had some offensive line losses.

1:51:21Nick Shook:I thought they were going to struggle like Daniel Jones and the Colts did against the Steelers a week earlier. Nope, not at all. They got the job done. Yeah, and it's not like they protected Herbert that well. He got hit. He got pressured a lot. You know, their starting tackles in this game were, what, Pipkins and Austin Declis. Declis was struggling, but they weren't in third and long too often. They stuck with the run, even when it wasn't working. And you say it's a boring game. I say it could never be boring for any Aaron Rodgers haters to be watching him have perhaps his worst game that he's ever had in primetime.

1:51:57He looks so old in this game going into that garbage time drive. They'd only scored three points, Nick Shook. And those three points came on a three and out that was set up by a short field. he had a pressure to sack ratio of all of them for for much of the game it was like if there was pressure there was a sack he was dirtying the ball he's avoiding pressure it just was disgusting and when you think about the two big turning points in the first half of this game the biggest one to me was his interception just before the two minute warning when the Steelers are still leading the game or they're right there rather.

1:52:40It's five to three. And that sets up the Chargers touchdown right before halftime. And then the first Chargers score of the game. Let's listen to it.

1:52:49Nick Shook:Three on the play clock. Rogers has time. Climb in the pocket. Here comes Khalil Mack in the end zone. He drops him. Safety. Oh, raise your hands and put them together. The Chargers got two points. and what a way to cement a legacy that only he and kevin green have that is his 35th sack as a charger he and green the only two players to do it with three different franchises oh that's a good stat great job by the way on both those calls by matt money smith our friend daniel jeremiah just quiet again on KFI. It is a reminder, Khalil Mack was awesome for an extended period of time for three different teams.

1:53:37You don't see that too often. Kevin Green's in the Hall of Fame. Khalil Mack will join him one day. What did you think about Rodgers just being so stymied throughout this game? I found I hate that this is the case.

1:53:51Nick Shook:I mean, if you're an Aaron Rodgers hater, you'll love this. But it seems like every week, Aaron Rodgers is pissed off at his teammates the entire game. And he was very upset with them for most of this game. And I think it's a combination of guys aren't getting open. Guys aren't running the route specifically how I want them to run them. I'm not getting protected long enough to be able to do what I want to do. And I also think it's him grappling with the idea of father time. Not to say that he looks exceptionally old, but when he tries to get mobile, unless there's ample space, because he'll still roll out and flick it, you know, and get it downfield.

1:54:21Nick Shook:But when he's under duress, it looks bad now. It did not look bad earlier in his career. and you know, it should look bad for a 41 year old. It felt like it discombobulated him all night. He never felt comfortable. And oftentimes guys just weren't open. Whatever the Steelers are trying to do offensively, scheme wise, just wasn't working against this Chargers defense until they scored a touchdown late in the game. And I think that that is a repeat case of what we've seen far too often with this team. You can go back to that game against the Packers in prime time, similar situation where Rogers again, is just frustrated with the outcome and the fact that he can't do what he wants to do.

1:54:52Nick Shook:So a tough spot for them. they're very up and down right now offensively yeah he held the ball longer tonight a little bit and he went down the field a few more times and he missed a couple shots deep that could have changed the game and so when he's trying to make a play he wasn't able to make them and they're just a limited offense now the calvin austin drop that turned into an interception that's all obviously on Calvin Austin. The game's basically over at that point. Ultimately, they had nine drives shook before those last couple that I'm talking about in terms of the interception and the garbage time touchdown.

1:55:34They had four first downs on those nine drives. I mean, it's just, it's not NFL offense and Jalen Warren is easily their offense's best player, but DK Metcalf has not gotten it on track at all as a consistent weapon. And you have to give the Chargers defense credit. man, Jesse Minter and this Chargers defense, they've been on a journey this season. It's like, it has absolutely been a roller coaster, but you know, getting some of their best players back, especially Khalil Mack, and then having an extra pass rusher in Adafi Owe absolutely helping Derwin James is back to playing well. And like I mentioned, it wasn't even a great Herbert game, but three straight weeks, Nick, the Chargers have essentially dominated like the line, not the line of scrimmage, but dominated play where they they doubled up their opponents the last two weeks and almost doubled up them in yardage and definitely doubled them up in first downs and again until the garbage time it was the same tonight so they've just like been significantly the better team in three straight games against the you know the vikings titans and steelers they are different they're not the same old chargers considering they are a jim harbott team i don't know if they're going to win the super bowl but miss me with the same old Chargers.

1:56:44They're just a tougher team. And the fact that they've come out of a little mini slump to get the seven and three is really impressive.

1:56:51Nick Shook:Yeah, I'm glad that you brought up the Harbaugh point, because that's what I was going to say, is that this team has taken on the identity of its coach. We saw it last year, but it's really carrying over week to week. And the cool thing about this team that makes me frustrated as somebody who's picking games every week and consistently getting them wrong, no matter who's playing, whether it's the Chargers or any other team in the NFL. But what frustrates me is the fact that they do this in different fashions which should be encouraging to chargers fans because you think about the vikings game they were dominant in that game offensively dominant herbert was on fire everything went well for them on both sides of the ball the titans game a little close for comfort they'd get the win and everything but it wasn't the prettiest win they lose joe alt in that game so you saw the effect on herbert you know like some fluky return touchdowns yes and but then this game completely different from those last two games where they leaned on the run stubbornly and they played a great game defensively.

1:57:38Nick Shook:And I think that while it makes them difficult to predict how they might play from week to week and opponent by opponent, they can win in different ways. That should be really encouraging. You got a quarterback, you got a coach, and you got a team that's figuring out how to play together. It's going to give them a chance each and every week. Whereas Pittsburgh, they have a coach, but they're not great situationally. And they made some adjustments defensively. We'll see how that works. They are only one game up on the Baltimore Ravens after that lead was a whole lot bigger four weeks ago. So they fall to five and four.

1:58:14They still got two games left to face the Ravens. Also want to just give a shout out, a congratulations to Keenan Allen, the all-time leader in receptions in Chargers history, passing Antonio Gates. We mentioned it, remember, shook back in week one as uh this could be a possible milestone that he could reach this season and after one week we said wow maybe he will be able to do it hell he he did it by week 10 so cool to do it in prime time uh an all-time great charger and in a big part of this team they lost a ronde gadsden junior to an injury at one point in this game he did not return so we'll we'll track that during the week but obviously a great night for the los angeles chargers great night for us shook we will be back check us out monday night uh we appreciate everyone that's been joining us live on youtube and it is a really fun game eagles and packers so uh we'll see everyone then hit the music babona let's go what are we waiting for we're home um it's been fun this was uh a frisky week 10 we learned a lot about uh myself about the mvp conversation about what my love language is.

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