In short
NFL Daily episode preview for Week 11 late games, plus quick looks at other key matchups.
Guests
Patrick Claiborne (co-host), Jordan Roderick (co-host), and Jordan Rod Reig (co-host). Backgrounds: NFL media analysts; Claiborne and Roderick are longtime football commentators; Greg Rosenthal is referenced as the analyst on calls (not a guest in-studio).
Key claims
Seahawks’ Nick Amon-Ra? (Nick Amonwari) is a “hinge player” for Seattle’s defense vs Rams’ 11/13 personnel, and Seattle’s defense is built to defend both. Seahawks could win if they speed up Matthew Stafford and pressure him; Rams’ offense may “zig at the zag” with heavy personnel. Chiefs need to win at Denver to protect division standing; Broncos’ defense is strong up front, but Josh Simmons’ return could help. Lions-Eagles: Eagles’ offense has repetitive third-and-long/run tendencies; AJ Brown Twitch comments are framed as distraction.
Notable examples
Cardinals’ run-heavy success vs Darnold; Eagles’ Super Bowl context and Sirianni’s fourth-and-six decision; Trey McBride’s TD production with Jacoby Brissett; Keaton Mitchell’s explosive role if Lamar limits runs.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAbolishing the Penny
2:27 to 3:38
Discussion about the significance of the penny and its phase-out.
“and also the day that the penny stopped going into, you know, being produced in this United States of America.”
Previewing Seahawks vs. Rams
3:38 to 4:51
In-depth analysis of the Seahawks vs. Rams game and key players.
“We're actually going to have a special extra pod next week, which is a full production of Patrick's Hamilton pod theater.”
Offensive Strategies
4:51 to 6:06
Exploration of offensive strategies and player performances in the game.
“Well, Sam Darnold and Stafford were our top two picks when we gave out the awards for half-season MVP.”
Defensive Matchups
6:06 to 8:00
Insights into how defenses will respond to opposing offenses in the game.
“Like I think about that year when it was New England with the one word play call playing super fast and Aaron Hernandez.”
Seahawks' Rushing Game
8:00 to 10:00
Analysis of the Seahawks' running game and their key player dynamics.
“The Rams want to make everything look the same pre-snap out of both 11 personnel and 13 personnel.”
Chiefs vs. Broncos Preview
10:00 to 12:00
Preview of the Chiefs vs. Broncos game highlighting team dynamics.
“with Devontae right now especially in the red zone and what Puka could do there's ways you can try to go out there and do similar stuff.”
Coaching Off the Bye Week
12:00 to 14:00
Discussion about coach Andy Reid's strategy coming off a bye week.
“I'm excited that Greg Olson's on the call because we're all going to learn something out of this game as well.”
Previewing the Chiefs vs. Broncos Matchup
14:00 to 19:31
Analysis of the Chiefs' chances against the Broncos, including player status and historical performance.
“I just haven't seen enough consistency from the Broncos offense over the course of the entire season to fully buy it.”
Lions vs. Eagles: A Complex Showdown
19:31 to 28:00
Discussion about the matchup between the Lions and Eagles, focusing on play calling and player performances.
“The Detroit Lions on Sunday night football with their new exciting play caller taking on the Philadelphia Eagles.”
Lions' Injury Concerns and Passing Game
28:00 to 30:06
Discussion on the Lions' injuries and their impact on the passing game.
“I'm seeing a lot of Saquon Barkley TFLs.”
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Lions' Injury Concerns and Passing Game
31:24 to 31:48
Discussion on the Lions' injuries and their impact on the passing game.
“So tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products and more.”
Cardinals' Offense and Quarterback Situation
34:35 to 36:59
Analysis of the Cardinals' struggles and quarterback issues.
“You know, if it's an 800-meter dash, we just hit that.”
49ers' Challenges and Offensive Strategies
36:59 to 40:06
Discussion on 49ers' offensive strategies and player injuries.
“and they all have similarities in this division.”
Browns' Quarterback and Offensive Line Issues
40:06 to 42:02
Insights on the Browns' quarterback situation and offensive line performance.
“I think this is a good Cardinals defense still.”
Browns' Struggles and Stefanski's Future
42:02 to 43:30
Discussion on the Browns' quarterback situation and the future of Coach Stefanski.
“I saw Stefanski was like, Dylan knows he's got to be more accurate and hit some of those throws that were there.”
Ravens' Injury Updates and Running Game
43:30 to 45:16
Updates on Lamar Jackson's injury and the Ravens' running game dynamics.
“Wasn't a lot of room on that raft when the Titanic went down, you know?”
Mark Andrews and Fourth Down Strategies
45:16 to 46:46
Exploration of innovative plays involving Mark Andrews during crucial situations.
“where I don't know what happened there to get like goal line back Justice Hill, but they're not all the way back.”
Cowboys' Emotional Week and Season Outlook
46:46 to 50:00
Discussion on the Cowboys' emotional challenges and their upcoming game against the Raiders.
“I have loved this Dallas offense all season.”
Impact of Personal Loss on the Cowboys
50:00 to 52:10
Reflecting on how the loss of Marshawn Nealon affects the Cowboys organization.
“And I think we subtract that element and we talk about all these things that don't matter and distractions.”
Literary Reflections on Loss and Football
52:10 to 53:30
Discussion of a book that explores themes of loss and its relation to football culture.
“We got to the end of the week 11 slate here.”
Transcript
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2:11Welcome back to NFL Daily. I'm here in the Chris Wesseling Podcast Studio with Patrick Claibon and Jordan Rod Reig. And we're celebrating the day that, yes, that we can talk about Seahawks, Rams, and Eagles, Lions, and also the day that the penny stopped going into, you know, being produced in this United States of America. This was it. This was the last day that a penny will ever be made. I've been on that corner for a while, actually. I was in something called Model Congress. I'm a cool guy. And that was my bill, actually, back in the mid-90s, was to abolish the penny back then. And it finally happened.
2:52Gregg Rosenthal:Was that the news of the day? That was some news. Yeah, that's unfortunate. I think it's a relic of the past, but it's one that I'm fine with. What would children find in parking lots? It just seemed like a waste. but it was a terrible strategy to have as a bill in an exercise like that because no one cared. Everyone's like, yeah, sure, whatever. You guys ever flatten them like at the Grand Canyon? Put it through like the flattener and have a memento from the Grand Canyon? It's cool. You should tell Emika about that. I will. Ultimately, you know, you train kids on model Congress and debate because it's better to do that than to teach them revolutionary history because then they might actually be able to change the world.
3:37that they live in. See part one with Patrick Hamilton version two. See part one. We're actually going to have a special extra pod next week, which is a full production of Patrick's Hamilton pod theater. Get ready on the sensors for that one. Yes, a great game in the NFC West. The Seattle Seahawks coming in to get revenge, taking on the Los Angeles Rams, who are three-point favorites. The over-under is 48 and a half. It is Joe Davis and G-Reg on the call. If you're familiar with my MVP conversation, we have multiple players in this game with positive scores. A couple of them don't play quarterback, Greg Rosenthal.
4:20Wow. How does this one play out the second time around? I don't know. I wonder, you know, does it, they get less points though because it's a 405 Eastern game? You get the standard amount of points. Like the national audience is watching Broncos Chiefs. Time-wise, but this is a contender game.
4:41Gregg Rosenthal:This is reference to the conversation. Yes. The conversation where I am tracking my own version of MVP scoring using judgment from Jordan, Steve, and Greg. Well, Sam Darnold and Stafford were our top two picks when we gave out the awards for half-season MVP. And then certainly Jackson Smith and Jigba has made a strong case. you believe that Puka is in the mix or something? I think Puka does exist within the conversation. Okay. Had a positive score last week as well. And I did ask, Greg, if you were providing a positive score to Sam Darnold last week. Or did those points go to JSN? After I went back and re-watched that game, I'm giving him a positive score.
5:23So Darnold has the positive score. And JSN, who continues to lead the league, has his positive score. So we've obviously talked about all the things that have come out of the heavy personnel and throwing out of heavy personnel and everything. With both teams. With both of these teams. And so it's going to be interesting to see how the defenses respond. And I think this matchup in particular, since they will know that's how they're winning. And this is how we're winning. And this is how we stop it. It'll be really interesting for them. How are they going to combat it and what the rest of the league does?
5:56because I do think when we look back on this season, this is going to be kind of the dominant storyline, not just this game and these types, but these types of offenses. Like I think about that year when it was New England with the one word play call playing super fast and Aaron Hernandez. And I think of the year where it's Jared Goff
6:16Gregg Rosenthal:and Vic Fangio, you know, and Fangio. And I also think of the year, you know, with that incredible Monday night game, Chiefs, you know, and Jared Goff, all that like this trend and these two teams are kind of at the very forefront of it and they have defenses which on paper should be able to at least give problems to the offenses yes and i'm so glad that you brought that up because first of all this this is a game of poetic proportion honestly because it has that potential whether or not it meets it fine but we are going to learn things about offense and about defense from this game that will have a ripple effect across the league, whether we see it immediately or not.
6:58Gregg Rosenthal:We just will. The caliber and quality of the entire team that Mike McDonald has built up in Seattle, including finding a coordinator who is able to run almost the inverse of what his defense is good at defending, and also what Sean McVay and Chris Shula and company have built in Los Angeles on offensive defense, again, almost inverses of each other, but aligned by the same principles. And I think that Seattle is perfectly built to defend both of the personnel groupings that the Rams prefer to use. That's 11 personnel, three receivers, one tight end, and 13 personnel, which is three tight ends, one receiver.
7:44Gregg Rosenthal:And part of this is because they have a player who I think is one of the most important players of this game, who has had some learning moments this year, but when he's been healthy and returned from the early season injury, Nick Amonwari is an absolute hinge player for this game. If you'll indulge me. Yes, always. The Rams want to make everything look the same pre-snap out of both 11 personnel and 13 personnel. And they want you to have to guess whether it's run or pass, no matter whether they're in the lighter personnel or the heavier personnel. So that freezes you as a defense. If you want to adjust to play heavier in the back seven on defense, they are typically athletic enough in either of those preferred personnels to run past you.
8:28Gregg Rosenthal:And if you want to go lighter nickel to get more speed on the field against the lighter speed personnels, they can run the ball out of 11 personnel, or they can sub into 13 to get bigger against you. So Nick Amonwari becomes a key figure, even as a rookie safety, who is a perfect match for this defense, because you can leave them in as a third safety, a second inside linebacker, or a match slot defender, especially against 13 personnel passing. He's big enough to defend the run. He's fast enough to cover and big enough to cover tight ends, but fast enough to also cover smaller, faster receivers.
9:03Gregg Rosenthal:And this is first of all, in part why Seattle keeps him on the field for almost every snap since he returned from injury because he is their queen chess piece on the field who allows them to be just as multiple as the offense that they are seeing on the other side. Now, it also commands the rest of the defense to play up to their potential, which is significant, perhaps the best in the league right now. In terms of the way I'm viewing this, because throwing out a heavy personnel in comparing the two teams, the Rams will still be able to run I don't I don't trust the Seahawks run game at this point and I'm not exactly sure that Seattle does here and like the the way that this kind of trend will be emulated around the league like you don't have the pieces to do it at this level where there's not the way that Darnold's playing the way JSN is playing and the way Stafford's playing with Devontae right now especially in the red zone and what Puka could do there's ways you can try to go out there and do similar stuff.
10:08But I think what makes this game so interesting is the different ways that the best pieces play, despite the way, because I think the Rams could like zig at the zag opportunity here. And it's like, oh, throwing out heavy personnel. It's going to be a whole lot of Blake Corum as well as Kyron in this game where Seattle will be out of that. It's putting a lot of pressure on Sam. I think last week might've been a turning point for the Seahawks running game. We'll see. it wasn't an easy matchup. The Cardinals are a top 10 defense in terms of DVOA. And they had a 13 play drive towards the end of that game.
10:42That was, I mean, it was incredible. They just didn't, they didn't let Sam Darnold pass the ball. It was the highest run pass ratio of any team in any game all season. Now that was because of the score. But the crazy thing is they were successful throughout the course of the game. It was easily their best running performance of the year. And so can that continue against a defense, which has really improved in terms of stopping the run. You're right that that's like kind of the one weakness of these teams for the most part this season has been the running game. But the Seahawks will be without, was it Jake Sundell?
11:13Their center. And that's a big deal for them who's going to miss like two to three weeks. So Oluwotemi comes in and he had some snap problems last week with Darnold. And so that's, you know, got to be tricky for them. I think on the other side, it's just how much can the Seahawks speed up Matthew Stafford? because his numbers against pressure this year are not great. He is just getting rid of the ball so quickly because he's preserving himself. And this is a defense that has six different players between 23 and 36 pressures. It's like you don't know where the pressure is going to come from. And if they can just dominate that matchup, Seattle, I think they win this game.
11:52They are the number one team in DVOA by a decent amount, but the Rams are number two. So they are the best two teams, I believe, just eye test-wise and the numbers will tell you right now.
12:01Gregg Rosenthal:I'm so excited for this game. I'm excited that Greg Olson's on the call because we're all going to learn something out of this game as well. This is also, we can't forget, Sam Darnold really wants and has worked for a better passing performance against this almost exact defensive front. because the last time that Sam Darnold on a different team played this almost exact defensive front, now with the addition of Puna Ford to help them stop the run, they got to him and were relentless, and he probably had one of his worst games and then was chased by that narrative all season. Since has more than shaken off that negative narrative that was attached to him after that game, but I think he really wants to go out and show his work.
12:48Gregg Rosenthal:I think this is the most fun offense to come out of the QBX system in a while. I'm so excited for this game. This is my pick. I'm the number one pick, and I am so glad it worked out this way. This is absolutely my pick. I feel like that could be a drop. I'm the number one pick. Now, these two teams do face off again in Seattle on Thursday night football in week 16. So this is going to these two games, I think, will really help tell the story, not just of the MVP conversation, but of potentially the number one seed in the NFC. Yeah. San Clemente High School, the Tritons, Sam Darnold coming back down in California.
13:29Of course, we played his college football as well. Looking forward to that one. We're also looking forward to the Kansas City Chiefs. Andy Reid off the by Jordan Roderick. It is a thing that is frequently discussed. They are three and a half point favorites at the Denver Broncos. who will hope to look better on offense. 43 and a half is the over-under. It's Jim and Tony and Tracy, the CBS Uno team. Is it time for the Broncos to have their big offensive output against a good Chiefs defense?
14:00Gregg Rosenthal:I just haven't seen enough consistency from the Broncos offense over the course of the entire season to fully buy it. And it's not just Andy Reid coming off a buy, Steve Spagnuolo coming off of a buy. I mean, I don't want to draw that straw. Yeah, I think it's 9-3 as a coach of the Chiefs, and then it was really crazy with Philadelphia. I think it was 11-1, something like that. So you had it all up. But 9-3 is a normal sample size of what Andy Reid has done every season. It might be lower than his average winning percentage. I do want to see what they come out with. I'm disappointed that they didn't trade for Brees Hall.
14:36The reporting from Rich Cimini was that they offered a fourth, so they wanted him. and the Jets, to their credit, I think, held firm for a three. Like, why trade Brees Hall at all, but definitely why, you know, without getting a better draft pick? And I think they lack a little bit of explosion. They haven't said the Chiefs if Josh Simmons is going to start at left tackle. He returned to the team during the bye week. So I would anticipate that he would be playing. And again, we're not in must-win territory, certainly not for the Chiefs. But I think if you want to win the division, they probably have to win this game.
15:15Because if they didn't, they'd be three back of the Broncos with, what, seven to play. And then they'd also have three division losses. There's another tiebreaker you're already going to lose. You're not going to win the team tiebreaker. You've already lost to the Chargers. So at best, you're splitting there. This would be a loss where at best, you're splitting with the Broncos. You'd be two and four in the AFC. at some point the numbers just really start to hurt and you're just aiming moving forward for like a seven seed this is the type of game where you would expect the best out of the chief that is what i expect to see and uh good news for them simmons did uh practice and was a full participant uh on wednesday so there is that but there's also a chance for this broncos team um which is not just been like inconsistent total game it's it's been inconsistent within plays but within that inconsistency there is the capacity to get yards and have completions and score touchdowns where if you're one of those i'm sick of the chiefs folks like greg just drew the path for you the broncos could go a huge way to fixing that issue uh right here in week 11 and if you don't want everyone to be so hard on bo nicks and everyone's like oh everyone you know that the broncos fans well stop booing the hell out of them you know i mean unless they're booing sean Payton and the play calling.
16:34I don't know who they're doing. They're just booing because they like to do it.
16:38Gregg Rosenthal:Staying warm, you know? It's the only way to do it. Yeah, you guys mentioned Josh Simmons returning. What a front to do that against, right? Nick Bonito. I was reacting to a Knicks throw. Yeah, we're watching some Oh, I didn't even turn to the left here. Uh-oh. Here we go. Yeah, please check us out. Like, subscribe. Tough look on a screen. On YouTube. You know, the weather was rough that night against the Broncos. I mean, against the Raiders. Sort of blocked that game from my memory. We got some real Al Michaels nihilism in that game. I was going to say no comment, but why do I need to say no comment?
17:14Al's been
17:15Gregg Rosenthal:great, but I want more energy out of that booth. I love when he goes full on Dark Al. He needs to get a little more energy from the guy next to him. Well, he could be inspired. They could be inspired. I'm trying to get it back to the Broncos front somehow. No, no, it's it's it's one of the best defenses still with or without Patrick Sertain on the on the field. One of the best defenses in football. And it starts up front with Nick Benito and Jonathan Cooper and how much they're pressuring the quarterback. They're affecting the quarterback at both within the top five of pressure rates in the NFL right now.
17:51Gregg Rosenthal:It is just tough to get anything done against them. This is a lot of potential for uncomfortable Patrick Mahomes, who still makes magic happen, even despite some of that discomfort, it would so help the Chiefs if they could just run the ball and take some of the teeth out of that front. Green Law has really helped their defense. They lose Sertan, but Green Law coming back from his injury, he's looked fantastic. I guess I wasn't just counting on that, considering the scope of how serious that injury was. And we've talked about the Chiefs are back. We've said that a lot. And I think it's true. I think it was a matchup thing against the Bills.
18:27Well, this is a great showcase to prove it. it's not going to get any harder than playing in Denver. But I think the Bills put some stuff on tape where personnel wise, the Broncos can do every bit of what Buffalo did to that Bills offense. I mean, to the Chiefs offense and crowd the line of scrimmage. Keep the short and quick stuff away from Mahomes and force the Chiefs to show those receivers getting open deep.
18:52Gregg Rosenthal:That market locally is on Chris Jones' watch. Now, I'm not participating. I'm just noticing that's a part of that conversation. in that market. That he's not playing well enough? Just some people just asking some questions about his play and what, you know. I feel like he was playing well before the bye, at least. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to be the person who is one of the best defensive tackles that we've seen. Yeah. There were 10 other people on the field when Trevor Lawrence was laying on the ground. I am just noticing the conversation. That's all. And that's what we do. We take note of discussions that are being had as they pertain to football.
19:28It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places. The Detroit Lions on Sunday night football with their new exciting play caller taking on the Philadelphia Eagles. Fresh off of the win on Monday night football. It is the Birds by two and a half. Mike Tirico and Chris Collinsworth on the call. Greg, there's been. I'll leave you to one particular discussion that I know you're excited to have. Okay. But Dan Campbell likes calling football plays. This defense significantly better than the one he called plays against last week. That's true. It'll be a much bigger test. I think he set himself up.
20:07It was like throwing an alley-oop off the backboard to himself. And he delivered. And now you've got to play a defense with a drastically improved four-man pass rush where they don't have to send pressure. So that's more of what Vic Fangio wants to do. they might even get Ja 'Cory and Bennett I don't know how big of a factor that will be but will they play him over Adoree Jackson Jair Alexander retired since we last talked and I don't think we detailed that on the show at any point and that's too bad for the Eagles and for Jair who just wasn't feeling it and I think he surprised the Eagles according to Nick Sirianni but this is such a fascinating matchup because they're obviously both Super Bowl contenders.
20:54They've been two of the best teams in the NFC now for a couple years in a row. It's 6-3 versus 7-2. And yet, I think compared to last year, they're both still searching for that mythical peak performance, and it's going to be tough to reach it. Nick Sirianni, especially on offense, is getting a little tired with the questions that are coming up about his star receiver. Is this the time after a victory where AJ, either on social media or in this case on live stream, has sort of voiced his displeasure? Is that at all becoming a distraction? No, I don't think so. Again, you can only go from your interactions with everybody and the way they go about their work on a daily basis that you guys aren't able to see.
21:39But, you know, no, it's business as usual. A couple more? When you say it was kind of business as usual with AJ, I mean, his latest comments, I mean, it seemed like it's not business as usual. Like, how do you kind of reconcile that with him? Yeah, guys, I'm close to being done answering these questions with this. The comments that he's referring to were during a November 11th, that's Tuesday night, Twitch live stream with streamer Janky Rondo. I love that USA Today is just, you know, quoting the streamer Janky Rondo. where he asked, like, is everything good to AJ? AJ was on the stream. He said, no, where you been?
22:21It's a bleep show. You know, are you paying attention? The more concerning part for me, Patrick, and you've got your face covered, you have frustrations, was earlier in the live stream, he said everyone that owns him in fantasy should cut him. And I just want to say, don't listen to AJ Brown's fantasy advice. What is frustrating you about this, Patrick? A year ago, they asked A.J. Brown what the Eagles needed to work on. Yeah. And he said passing. And since then, everything A.J. Brown has said or done, even on the sideline where he's holding a book, has become some sort of news that's worthy of discussion.
23:06The Philadelphia Eagles, in case people don't remember, won the Super Bowl. They blew out the Kansas City Chiefs. who were trying to win multiple Super Bowls in a row, including one against them, and they blew them out. That was so long ago, Pat. Jalen Hurts was on the sideline begging Nick Sirianni to go in and score more points against the Kansas City Chiefs. There was a fourth and six on Monday Night Football with 33 seconds to go, and Nick Sirianni inexplicably decided to throw the ball. And we're talking about A.J. Brown on a stream with Janky? what are we doing as a society this is so dumb and vapid and empty it does not matter they won the super bowl we're talking about distractions hoisting a trophy is apparently the distraction it doesn't make any sense well just for clarity i think he goes more by rondo not janky but the full name janky rondo janky rondo but was this a reference ronde late stage celtics rondo
24:15Gregg Rosenthal:i hope not because he was never janky um my only take from all of this yeah is that that moment where nick sirianni blinks very hard um if you ever wondered what greg face is that is greg face okay just the feeling you got from watching that but like what are y 'all trying to do i don't understand like what's what's the extra insight unless you're just trying to be smarmy and create this thing where it's like every we have to highlight and get the microscope out on every aj brown interaction yeah he would like to catch the ball and get yards but they won the game well it's it's like a cross-section of things everything you're saying is true i mean the super bowl who can remember that it was all the way back in february they don't have recordings of that or anything but it is a fascinating problem that i think helps to show how complicated football is and no matter how many times we talk about it there is something lacking with this regular season philadelphia eagles offense that despite having all the talent in the world nick sirianni and And to your point, I agree more focus should just be on what is he doing with some of these decisions.
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25:32To that point, they gave Saquon Barkley and A.J. Brown and Dallas Goddard and Lane Johnson and Jordan Mailata and Jalen Hurts and Devontae Smith top of the market money. Landon Dickerson. Many of those guys will be in the Hall of Fame someday. someday and they are making the choice on about a quarter of their third downs to just give up let's just run the ball on third and 12 let's like not let's literally not even try and i don't even know why or what that like there's just something so strange about why it doesn't all work that it is fascinating and that would be a great question to ask nick sirianni instead of asking him the same exact question after he already answered it regarding somebody's performance on janky rondo's twitch stream you want to talk about the matchup i wonder actually i was curious about that
26:23Gregg Rosenthal:because sometimes play callers they sequence plays together in packages and groupings now i don't think it is ever great to be so predictable on third and very long that you're going to run the ball as frequently as they do but you could also if devil's advocate you could also be sequencing it with a fourth down play. But they never get to that fourth down play. Exactly. So unsuccessful. One of the times was in the red zone last week. So again, this is this is part of the problem is banging your head over and over again. This is the Eagles team in a nutshell, banging your head on the same topic over and over and over again and expecting different results.
26:58Gregg Rosenthal:It's the same problems every year, whether it's in the past game and that's not working effectively or it's a play calling or it's it's the run game. You know, I think that this is right for the Lions who, first of all, I want to see both of these offenses reach their actual potential. And I don't think, I think we've seen it in fits and starts with both of these teams that, but they have so much potential. And I would like to see both offenses reach that. I think that the Eagles defense is very close to reaching its full potential, certainly after what they look like last week. And I think that the lions have reached on defense, their full potential.
27:31Gregg Rosenthal:And they are, this is a defense that has the ability to roll and potentially even capitalize in a very interesting and cool way against, first of all, the run game and force Jalen Hurts to pass the ball because the Lions defense is not missing tackles. They're not missing tackles. And what they're trying to do with Saquon Barkley is get him into space and set up mismatches for him. I saw this season, I'm seeing for all of his great qualities as a top running back, I'm seeing a lot of Saquon Barkley TFLs. I'm seeing a lot of Saquon Barkley brought down on first contact. And yes, he still is capable of these great explosive plays.
28:10Gregg Rosenthal:We want to see the passing game get fixed. The Lions defense may help us out in this effort of wanting to see them pass the ball to a lot of different guys more. Yeah, because they're not 100 % healthy. That is the biggest problem with the Lions right now. Kirby Joseph's still out of practice. Tarion Arnold suffered a concussion last week. He is not practicing on Wednesday. Generally, that means you're out for the game if you're not practicing on Wednesday after a concussion. I'm sure Aiden Hutchinson is, I would assume, is playing. He didn't practice because of an elbow injury. So we don't know if Kirby Joseph is returning.
28:43I don't know if I mentioned that or not. So that's in the secondary. Unfortunately, they could be a little shorthanded. And it is strength versus strength. Jalen Hurts versus man coverage is awesome. Lions very good in man coverage. And then, you know, Jared Goff, we talk about it pretty much every big game. like second in the league EPA per play clean 20th against pressure. Can they get that pressure with the four man pass rush? It'll be fascinating. Believe they can.
29:07Gregg Rosenthal:And will Dan Campbell have his glasses on? These are the questions we should be asking every local market. Yeah. Hopefully they got to Lane Johnson and his status before they asked the 15th question about AJ Brown. Right. Because that injury looked like it was going to knock him out for weeks. But Lane Johnson isn't messing around. They are no longer, by the way, allowing Jalen Carter to take any plays off. defense just about the only defensive tackle in the league who just plays every single snap looking forward to that sunday night football we're gonna have to zoom through our sunday show that can watch some eagles and lions let's take one final break we have a trio of games to wrap up our week 11 sleep
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34:34Back on NFL Daily, we're hitting the home stretch. You know, if it's an 800-meter dash, we just hit that. We just hit the corner.
34:45Gregg Rosenthal:Patrick doing his part to break up the monotony. Sorry, everybody. Yeah, how are we doing, Eric? I forgot to throw to a Dan Campbell sound during the last break. Never apologize, Patrick. I love when you rant. It's the best. It was great. We're pretty deep into this show. Don't you dare apologize. Has it been too monotonous, Eric? How are we doing? No, you get Patrick screaming about stuff. Great. That's too many screams. Indexing too highly on screams. So I'm going to base everything out and go to a very comfortable Kyle Shanahan, whose 49ers are a three-point favorite. We still don't know who the quarterback is going to be perpetually a question mark.
35:28At the Arizona Cardinals, where we do know it's Jacoby Brissett, Kevin Coogler, and Daryl Moose Johnston on the call. Jordan Rodrigue. Another chance for the Cardinals to look good and lose. Oh.
35:40Gregg Rosenthal:I think you've said it all Patrick no um I mean it's gonna be tough to deal this with this offense coming off of what just happened to them and poor Jacoby Brissett Seattle came after him right away um obviously turned the ball over a couple of times and now they're also going to be without Marvin Harrison Jr. who very surprising news on Wednesday he's out because he had to have appendix surgery. So, um, definitely not going to be on the field this week. No, it sounds like that's at least going to be a one week absence for Marvin Harrison jr. So like, that's the bad news. The good news is his father won't have to watch their offense this week.
36:22He can just go golfing or something. Uh, Zay Jones also tore his Achilles last week. So feel really bad for Zay Jones. And he added some depth to that group too and in the end like ownership i don't think is going to give gannon a huge pass for all the reasons why this is happening like he needs to make this work they're oh and three in the division for instance we were talking about division record like if you can't beat the 49ers at home it's a brutal division but you were kind of hired as the defensive guy who could help solve the offenses and, and they all have similarities in this division.
37:02If you can't be that guy, what are you doing here? And Brock Purdy is planning to have quote, an aggressive practice with the goal of starting Sunday, according to Kyle Shanley. Yeah.
37:17Gregg Rosenthal:So always notoriously tells the truth, but it's true. I mean, why would he quarterback? quarterback he's had the hopes of starting Sunday every single week right I don't think so though based on how Kyle's presented it by Wednesday they've kind of indicated that it's probably going to be Mac Jones whereas that quote would indicate it's probably going to be Brock Purdy or at least that's their hope this week that we could see the return of Brock Purdy and uh I for one am looking forward to I kind of like you know I don't believe you Greg okay here's I think you want to see that. Here's the thing.
37:51It's almost like Drake Mays season. It's what happened to Mac Jones over the last seven or eight weeks. It's not going to be any better than that. Let's just, let's just take them out with a couple innings to spare and bring in Rokey. You know what I mean? Like he, he's getting tired. It's only going to get worse from here for Mac Jones. So let's put in Brock Purdy before it all goes to hell. And they're still right in this. They have a, they have a great schedule to make the playoffs. I think the 49ers still have a better chance to make the playoffs than maybe the average person thinks.
38:23Gregg Rosenthal:One of the big things that could really be conjoined with Brock Purdy's return is also getting Ricky Pearsall back. He's expected to practice this week. And that's huge because he looked like an absolute number one receiver when he was healthy. They were poised to make him that all through training camp, his rapport with Brock Purdy. and this offense with George Kittle doing remarkable things last week and them still losing because they just are so injured everywhere, including on their defense, which is just the walking wounded at this point. They need to score points. They need to create explosive plays to stay in their A-plus game plan the entire game as long as they can and keep a lead as long as they can in a game and and try to avoid a having to play from behind and be um putting too much on the shoulders of this defense that is so embattled at this point and having your a number one explosive playmaker like ricky pierce all back with the quarterback who worked all spring and summer and fall with him um that would go a long way for this 49ers team a long way to i think give perhaps more opportunities to brian robinson jr hey in the run game not to necessarily uh take take carries away from cmc uh but to deploy cmc more uh where you would like to deploy him in the passing gaming and give him a break uh in the run game because we see we see the explosiveness uh that christian can provide where i am i i don't necessarily think it's it's close uh in this one I would have the 49ers easily in a game where they can get the seven and four and, you know, kind of have the Cardinals where I think maybe they should.
40:13I think this is a good Cardinals defense still. And I think Jacoby against a team that doesn't really have much of a pass rush has a shot. So I would expect another one of those close Cardinals games. It is it is surprising to me. Neither of these teams run the ball well. I mean, the Cardinals are down to 28th in DVOA in terms of running, but the 49ers are much better.
40:32Gregg Rosenthal:They need a really big game from guys like Tatum Bethune, for example, because this is going to be all Trey McBride through the middle of the field all day for Jacoby Brissett. So Upton Stout, really love him as a player. He is too small of a human to be defending a tight end in the slot. And so you really need a big game from your inside linebackers and support safeties and all of that against Trey McBride. This could be a big... I don't do fantasy football. This could be a big Trey McBride fantasy game and still the San Francisco 49ers win. At this point, they all are. Trey McBride has had five touchdowns in four games with Jacoby Brissett in the previous 21 games.
41:15Yeah.
41:15Gregg Rosenthal:With Kyler Murray. He's been posting about him in his Instagram story also, which trope alert, I know. But like, you know, when Jacoby was named the starter, there's a post of him lifting him up after they scored a touchdown. He's very productive. Speaking of fantasy, Pearsall was available in my local 10-year-old kids league. So, I mean, just take a look. Maybe someone snoozed and let go of him too early. I think you want to change how you present that information. I mean, people get it. The Baltimore Ravens are seven and a half point favorites against Dylan Gabriel for now and the Cleveland Browns, the over-unders 39 and a half.
41:52Andrew Catalan, Charles Davis, and Jason McCourty. They're on the call. Greg Rosenthal. Yes. Is this the final start for Dylan? Okay. I saw Stefanski was like, Dylan knows he's got to be more accurate and hit some of those throws that were there. We know that just you, you're getting mad about Nick Sirianni trying to throw people off the center or answering questions about something that doesn't matter. Yes. Dylan Gabriel is not a good NFL starting quarterback. I don't think it matters who is starting at quarterback for this team. You might as well see Shadir at some point, whatever. This offensive line is truly terrible.
42:26these two tackles are worse at playing tackle i think and that includes unfortunately conklin has been around a long time then dylan gabriel is at playing quarterback this was the most expensive offense in the nfl last year they are paying wyatt teller and batonio and njoku money big money into next year that's already dead money assuming they're not even going to be back on the team because of Watson and everything. But this is what Andrew Barry has wrought. And I feel like he's gotten such a pass. And I do think these are the final days of Kevin Stefanski. When Dan Orlovsky was on ESPN saying that he thinks Stefanski would be a good choice for Jackson Dart and the Giants, I mean, alarm bells started going off for me.
43:16I'm like, oh, like, I don't know what's going on here. what agent or who's pushing different agendas. But I do think conventional wisdom is now on the side of like Stefanski is not going to survive this season for the Browns.
43:30Gregg Rosenthal:Wasn't a lot of room on that raft when the Titanic went down, you know? Jimmy Haslam, their owner, said before the season, 3-14 isn't going to work. So he literally is on the record of like what would be a bad record. And that's like what they're on pace for. But so many decisions are directly linked to his decision. It's something we talked about with Chris Greer. where you get a job. You get a great job, whether it's writing at the Athletic, whether it's being on NFL Network, working for NFL media, where your job is to keep your job. And if the big boss says, I would like to do this, and then you do this, it seems weird for the big boss to be like, oh, you did this?
44:08You're fired. Where now it would be weird for the big boss to do that, but the big boss is the big boss, so they can do whatever they want. The craziest stat with this game is that this is the sixth straight matchup that the Browns have had a different quarterback against the Ravens. That's just good. That is insane. Let's talk Ravens very quickly before we move on from this game.
44:25Gregg Rosenthal:Lamar did mispractice to start the week with a sore knee. Yes. Something small to keep an eye on. Harbaugh said he expects him back on Thursday and then he expects he'll play. Although we did hear similar-ish things when he was struggling through an injury previously this year. I do think Lamar's, you know, the way that they integrate him running the ball, he is running the ball less than he's ever run the ball. And so I've got a fever. and the only prescription for it is more Keaton Mitchell. Oh, my God. That's what can help solve this Ravens running game if Lamar's not going to run again. If only he did the accent.
45:00Gregg Rosenthal:I feel like you could pull it off. I don't need to. Just give me some more Keaton Mitchell. That kid looks awesome. Yeah, last two games, I believe 7.4. Two out of his last three games. 7.4 yards per carry and 10 yards per carry for Keaton Mitchell. And Justice Hill only had one carry last week. It was the touchdown that he got. where I don't know what happened there to get like goal line back Justice Hill, but they're not all the way back. And this matchup could point that out because that's why you need Keaton Mitchell, I think, is because their guards aren't that good. And Derrick Henry needs a little lane to go through.
45:34Keaton Mitchell is explosive enough that you might just get him creating plays on his own or getting through a hole quicker than a Derrick Henry would. Rashad Bateman's hurt. He has an ankle sprain that might keep him out this week. Isaiah likely has, I mean, no production this year. Neither does Bateman. They aren't all the way back, and I think this will be an interesting matchup to watch at least when the Ravens have it. That's it. They get in the end zone a couple times. Here's one thing. Fourth and one. Mark Andrews under center in the push formation. I would like to see that for the remainder of the season.
46:13Gregg Rosenthal:I love that. Yes. The opportunity, the options out of it, tossing it to Lamar. You still got passing options there. You sneak it with Mark Andrews. Considering the way things have gone on fourth and one earlier in the season, I would like it every time. What if we're back? It's the playoff. It's like a penult. It's the moment of the season. Against the Bills. Right. Against the Bills. Little Mark Andrews redemption. I would love to. I'd be a little worried, though. I would be in tears. before the play before the play we'll have to have a chance uh to see it we also have a chance to remember the Dallas Cowboys exist isn't it fun when people take a break and they come back and it's like oh here you are an opportunity to see the Cowboys in prime time once again Monday night football Dallas three and a half point favorites Jordan against the resurgent Las Vegas Raiders they've got healthy Brock Bowers and they're moving the ball now occasionally it was really a good defense last week how do you see this one going yeah i think ever since brock bowers came back it's amazing what having one of the best players in the entire nfl can do for your offense and for your quarterback to get your quarterback back on track um also uh chip kelly your favorite coach in the entire world patrick kelly active baby showing a little bit of flexibility and getting uh pointedly mentioned by pete carroll and seemingly every press conference at this point We'll see if that continues.
47:42Gregg Rosenthal:I have loved this Dallas offense all season. I still love this Dallas offense. What I'm really, really interested in, and they've been through the worst couple of weeks as a group that you can imagine. And I am glad that somebody with the, I think, emotional intelligence that Brian Schottenheimer has is leading this group. the tragedy of Marshawn Nealon's passing. And I'm not going to sit here and do the thing that sports does where it's like, you know, turn it into this or that or whatever in a vacuum. I am curious to see how this Cowboys, Ibrafalou sled defense adjust from the absolute fiasco that they were earlier in the season.
48:35Gregg Rosenthal:And overall, I know this is going to be an incredibly emotional game for every Dallas Cowboys coach, player, support staff, front office member. My heart goes out to him. And like I said, I'm glad Brian Schottenheimer is the one in charge over there. Yeah, I think that's well said. I think that's one of the most impressive things about Schottenheimer and why I thought he could be the right guy to lead this team in general beyond the offense, which has had its moments, although, you know, struggled a little bit the last couple of weeks. I do I do struggle with that because they're going to put a lot onto this game and it is going to be emotional to be out there for the first time like without without Marshawn Nealon especially the way that they've happened but I have been I guess impressed is the wrong word but just heartened to like hear how openly so many of the different players have spoken about it and have spoken about mental health I thought Micah Parsons' ex-teammate was beautiful on that too and um yeah it's it's one of those games that like it doesn't feel like it's gonna like have a big impact on the playoff race or anything like that and yet i think it's gonna be like really meaningful for these young men and and the older you know men and women that are in the organization too to just have a moment together and they've been back together it's such you know strange timing too because it was when the team was all apart from them and so they've been back together this week and they've spoken a lot about that yeah we see teams and players deal with personal loss uh all the time and that's the thing when you you suffer a big loss and you take a second away and you notice the world is still spinning and everybody's going about their business but now they're all doing it together um and they have to work through that with all the people who are experiencing that.
50:31And I think we subtract that element and we talk about all these things that don't matter and distractions. This is one where it's going to be on everybody's mind and an opportunity for them to see how they perform in the game, at work, where you kind of take a step back and take a perspective. It's like, all this stuff doesn't really matter in comparison to that. But yeah, you guys mentioned with Schottenheimer, and I think with this group of veterans that's gone through a lot, a lot of guys that have seen a lot of coaches, seen a lot of turnover, they've had great games, but they've also had horrible games.
51:11And the matchup to get back to football is a winnable one, an exceedingly winnable one against a Raiders team that also hasn't lived up to the expectations that we have. yeah you know that i mean thinking about dak prescott too that he's yeah he dealt with it too on a personal level and yeah before we leave it it does occur to me i read this book this year called it's called things in nature merely grow it's by yi yun li who's one of my favorite novelists i would say of the last like 10 years and she she lost her sons to suicide which is a crazy thing to happen to a parent anyways it i'll just say that if if even three people or one person out here listening is interested in that.
51:53It's nominated for a National Book Award. I believe it's a finalist right now. But it reframed how I think about suicide in general as someone that is living on past the people that you love. So obviously it's more than football, Raiders, and Cowboys, but we will be watching on Monday night. And that's it. We got to the end of the week 11 slate here. We did it. We are past the halfway point. We've made it. I was wondering, should I create a graphical representation for the conversation, guys?
52:29Gregg Rosenthal:I think so. For people to track? I love a visual on Blue Sky. Maybe I'll make a Reddit account. I love a visual on the NFL Daily Pod subreddit. And who is leading right now? I mean, you're holding out from us. No, it's Stafford. I feel like I said that. It's Stafford far and away because he gets his lifetime achievement points. But he's got some folks chasing him, including the guy that they traded to get Matthew Stafford and one Mr. Goff. Okay, we'll be watching. Football is poetry, my friends. We'll be publishing, too, because that's what we do here at NFL Daily. We put out shows, and the next show that you will hear will be a Thursday night recap.
53:13Talking a little Jets and Patriots. And you know, Shooky and I, we come up with something a little extra, a little lanyard to throw in there as well. Just makes it a little special. We will see you then. Appreciate y 'all.
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