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17:22Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that he, especially because he can now with Xavier a worthy back or he thinks he can. I think they're just going to throw and throw and throw and throw. And I think that leads to a lot of explosives as much as I love how this, this Jags zone defense, how clean their eyes are, how disciplined they are, how they don't get fooled. Like you guys said, by the motions and all of those types of things. Still, this might be Pat Mahomes feeling himself. And this might be Liam Cohen trying to put on a show with his offense. That's taken a while to come to where he needs it to be as well. I like that number 46 and a half.

17:56I'm taking the under.

17:57Patrick Claybon:Oh, wow. Taking the under. I'll take an under on targets for Devin Lloyd because he's been targeted 12 times. He's made a play on the ball on a quarter of the times that Devin Lloyd's been targeted and covered. And that's huge for him because people were worried about Devin Lloyd and he's playing his butt off in the scheme.

18:14Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, he looks awesome.

18:15Patrick Claybon:Leave him alone, Patrick. Leave him alone. The Houston Texans are favored by a two and a half because they should be. Over the Baltimore Ravens, the over under is 39 and a half. Ian Eagle, JJ Watt, Evan Washburn on the call as Greg no Lamar Demetrius Jackson in this game. We will have Cooper Rush playing. He's good. He's going to be fine. I wasn't taking over laughing at Patrick. Are you worried?

18:42Jourdan Rodrigue:I was laughing at Patrick's face, not a Cooper Rush.

18:45Patrick Claybon:Well, I mean, those those two things similar, similar categories and similar feelings. Greg, how do you feel?

18:53Steve Wyche:Well, first, I want to get to Sunday and know for sure that Lamar Jackson is out. I just it's just one of those things. I don't know if they're going to announce it before Sunday. You just never know. Assuming that he is out like I am worried about this Ravens offensive line because they can't pick up the blitz like that has been a huge problem over the last couple of weeks is their communication. and the Texans don't need to blitz and they're not really a team that blitzes that often but obviously two great pass rushers we'll see if Ronnie Stanley is back but D 'Amico Ryans has had a really good history of calling the right blitz at the right time and if you're doing that against Cooper Rush like if it's working against Lamar Jackson you know it is going to work against Cooper Rush yeah I don't think Ronnie Stanley is playing this game and so I mean the one thing with the Ravens is that they haven't been able to run the ball I mean look at Derrick Henry's numbers It's been like all Lamar Justice Hills getting to run the short passing game.

19:53And this Houston defense is no joke. So to me, this game is going to tell us everything we want to know about Houston's offense, because Baltimore is having all kind of issues on defense. But Houston's offense has just looked a freaking mess.

20:10Patrick Claybon:Yeah. Now, they've got injuries or running back and this and that. But if they don't get well in this game, this is when, you know, the red flag goes up warning. there's going to be a long season so I think this is going to be an interesting tell I mean look at the number 39 and a half so I think Baltimore is going to score and they're not having a lot of faith in Houston's offense right here

20:31Jourdan Rodrigue:yeah 16 points per game which is less by the way you want to talk about skewed stats Houston's offense is only getting 16 points per game right now Baltimore's defense is giving up 33 points per game that's unreal 33 points in the NFL allowed is terrible Insane. And it is, yes, it is the worst in the NFL right now. And it's interesting because the Ravens can't really get a pass rush. Kyle Van Nooy might be back. Travis Jones might be back. Obviously, these guys were injured. And potentially of the 11 starters that are injured, we don't know about Lamar yet. Obviously, we don't know about a lot of these guys yet, obviously.

21:08Jourdan Rodrigue:But maybe eight or nine of these 11 starters that are injured will play. They need to get some pass rush going. but it might be an opportunity for Houston to like just catch a breath for a second, start to put together a little bit more of this plan for this offense. We saw it what in one quarter, one half last week. Okay. Do it against a depleted defense that is playing too loose and giving up too much. And then I'll believe that you really found a spark last week.

21:37Patrick Claybon:Yeah. I'm just banking on the team that has tried and been able to over the past few years to do so many different things on offense to focus on executing just in in the pure fundamentals of the game uh with without clearly like if you know i appreciate greg being hopeful that lamar plays uh in this game i i'm i'm out on that um considering the way that the game i'm with you um because if he could have played against the chiefs like coach harbaugh said he would have played uh in the game and going back and watching that game like the the interception by leo chanel where the Chiefs send a blitz and Derrick Henry's picking up Drew Tranquil and Filele is blocking absolutely nobody.

22:20Patrick Claybon:He's spinning around looking for somebody while Lamar's trying to get the ball to Mark Andrews and Chanel picks it off. And there's so many plays like that where the assignments, many people will forget more about offensive line play than I'll ever learn in my entire life. But the unit just hasn't seemed to be able to operate in the pass game. and so much is on eight, which is always going to be on eight. But let's go back to prom Derrick Henry, hopeless Titans team. You knew he was going to get the ball 27 times. That's the only thing that I can try to look forward to in this game because having that defense on the field is a recipe for a bad Sunday.

23:02And let's not forget Roquan Smith and Marlon Humphrey are not playing. I mean, they're out for a while. That's up the middle. Nandi Matabuike, Roquan Smith, Marlon Humphrey plays in and out. Like that is a bad, that's what I'm saying. To me, this game will tell us everything we need to know about the Texans offense. They've looked terrible. And if they don't look better this game, this isn't going to be it.

23:25Jourdan Rodrigue:That's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly.

23:27Steve Wyche:It's a get out of jail free card though, Steve. Like even if they just look okay to bad in this game, but get out of there with a win. Because you're playing Cooper Rush in one of the worst defenses, is if not the worst defense in the league. They do get their bye week. I feel like maybe it's the schedule God's helping them out. Titans and then banged up Ravens back-to-back weeks before the bye. Can you reset after that? Because the schedule is very tough after that. You have Seattle and you have the 49ers and the Broncos and the Jaguars all in a row, these really great defenses. So you're right.

23:56Steve Wyche:Good point. It'll show up. I think it'll be more Woody Marks. Woody Marks was good last week. I think Nick Chubb is a good complement maybe to Woody Marks. and you look at the success rates of NFL teams in terms of rushing, it won't surprise you that the Texans are 27th. It does surprise me that the Ravens, with Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry on the field, are 29th. And that's in design runs. It's not counting the Lamar Jackson scramble. So, like, the Derrick Henry game is not really working. He's hitting some big plays, but on a down-and-down basis, it has not been working.

24:30Jourdan Rodrigue:Woody Marks had a couple nice reps of pass pro last week. That'll get him on the field fast, too.

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27:08Steve Wyche:Back on NFL Daily, and yes, six days into my sojourn overseas, my mind is completely mush. That's also true of how I felt at the end of that Cowboys-Packers game. Like, watching that on replay, I don't know what the heck happened there. They are going to MetLife Stadium this week. And I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here, Patrick, because you know on game debut, I have incorrectly predicted the Jets will win for four straight weeks. It's become almost a bit. And this is a tough one because I truly do believe Dak Prescott is playing quarterback at the highest level of any quarterback in the NFL.

27:53Steve Wyche:I put Josh Allen right there, but those would be my my two. So to pick against a quarterback that good again, you know, for a team that hasn't won a game will be difficult.

28:02Patrick Claybon:Yeah, you're picking against the guy down the sideline that Dak's looking at and inspiring him to score all those touchdowns. It's Pat Eberflus. The Dallas Cowboys are three point favorites at the New York Jets. The over under is forty seven and a half. Jason Benetti, G-Reg and Pam Oliver on the call, Steve, as we've seen the Jets lose some heartbreakers to the Dallas Cowboys. Oh my God. I don't even know how to describe a, the heartbreaking tie that could have been a win because the Packers made a weird clock decision at the end, but also like could George Pickens have not have scored, but then like it would have been a weird finish there.

28:37Patrick Claybon:How do you feel about this football game? I, I, I like Dallas to a point because you look at what the jets did to the dolphins. They move the ball up and down the field, but then they went back, back, back penalty, negative play, negative play. offensively they got the potential to do some things against a defense that's more than kind and i'm gonna leave it that way um but the self-inflicted mistakes and as much as people are all over aaron glenn about the self-inflicted mistakes this is almost in the dna of the green and white this has been going on for years so i don't know if it's a type of player they're drafting if it's a type of coaches they keep rolling through there but the lack of discipline in the in the the mistakes they make especially in the look back last year look back the year before it's been a a nightmare for the jets which is why i think it opens up a door for dallas which is like i like the the three that dallas is getting not much more because i think the jets are going to be able to move the ball on them but it could end up being like a game like last week because this great jets defense is not showing up either so again i like dallas in this game but That's about as soft of a pick as I'm going to make, because I think the Jets have it in them, but if they just stop stepping on the landmines that they planted themselves, they've got an opportunity to be a pretty good football team.

30:00Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I think, you know, we have some sound of Brees Hall. I think he actually summed it up the best this last week when he was talking about the self-inflicted penalties.

30:11Patrick Claybon:Just a tale of, you know, three out of our four losses. You know, teams will shoot themselves in the foot, then we come back and shoot ourselves in the head. So that's been a frustrating thing because, you know, we're moving the ball up and down the field at will how we want to or we'll come down and, you know, get to the strike zone and then boom, 15-yard penalty, 10-yard penalty, and teams will just sit back in zone and, you know, you can't really, you know, they're willing to give up that three and not give up that seven. So that was a frustrating part, turnovers. and then making mistakes on, you know, with, you know, fumbles and all the type of stuff, crazy penalties.

30:48Patrick Claybon:It's just been frustrating.

30:50Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, so 13 penalties, accepted penalties for over 100 yards last week by the Jets. And I actually kind of have a hot take about the Jets penalties. Okay. That isn't like they weren't, isn't like sunk into the grass or the turf and the fibers of the building. a lot of the penalties that I'm seeing are on alignments and motions and shifts. And that's a, that's a getting used to your offensive coordinator thing. And that's the quarterback and the offensive line and all of the players who are in motion, just understanding timing better. We talked about this with the Jacksonville Jaguars too. Like this was a similar thing too, with the Ben Johnson offense, not just with the bears recently, but back when Ben Johnson took over the lions offense, this is what it kind of look like in terms of some of those penalties early on, specifically with those types of timing penalties.

31:39Jourdan Rodrigue:That's why I worry less about the Jets in that regard. And I think the fumble stuff, I mean, it changed the entire game this last week. Don't get me wrong about that. The Jets had to move from their A-plus plan of running the ball down people's throats to their C plan, essentially, facing that large of a double-digit deficit so early in the game because the Dolphins were able to march back against their defense on the other side. So I think this is a points game because yes, you're still going to see some of that stuff. And that will get, in my opinion, get cleaned up over time. And I think that's going to be an emphasis this week with Aaron Glenn and Tanner Engstrand, who comes out of that Lions tree as well.

32:16Jourdan Rodrigue:And I think that to you guys's point, like you're going to see a lot of points because these defenses are not playing disciplined, solid, sound football at all. They're not playing, you know, they're playing loose football and teams are getting to just do whatever they want against them for the most part, run and pass. And I think Dak and Schottenheimer together is kind of magical. And I think, you know, Schottenheimer and Clayton Adams and Javante Williams is kind of magical. So I have no doubt that, you know, points and points and points will actually happen in this game. We won't be able to find these defenses.

32:48Patrick Claybon:Yeah, you're mentioning the C plan against the Dolphins being the passing attack. It's the A plan against the Cowboys. The Cowboys are the number 32 ranked pass efficiency defense in the NFL. It gets to a point where it's shocking. just that how to see an offense without C.D. Lamb go out there and play against a good Packers defense and have the performance that they and not able to win the game not able to have any sort of separation between them and the Green Bay Packers has to be demoralizing for the guys on the offensive side of the ball because I'm having difficulty imagining what more they could have done and to see and right like all respect to Jordan Love to Jared Goff the Cowboys have played against, you know, some good quarterbacks here in 2025.

33:35But this is, it's not sustainable.

33:38Patrick Claybon:No, at all three levels, too. At this level, rush, linebackers, secondary, bad all around, Greg.

33:45Steve Wyche:Well, do the Jets have a passing game that could take advantage of the worst? Yeah, this, yes, yeah. We'll find out. I mean, they did in week one. And shout out to Garrett Wilson, who is better, I think, than he's ever been. Unlike Sauce Gardner, who I think is having a rough start to his year after getting that big contract. I think Garrett Wilson has been fantastic. I feel bad for him. I feel bad. You mentioned that early Lions staff, Jordan. I'm sort of getting more of an Anthony Lynn vibe as the offensive coordinator for Dan Campbell and wondering, it's early in the season, but at some point, Aaron Glenn is going to look at Steve Wilks, who was not in the NFL last year and how this defense has been run.

34:29Steve Wyche:And it might take till the very end of the year and wonder, like, is this the right guy to be running my defense? Should I be running my defense? Because it's not going very well. And that is not likely to continue with the assassin, Dak Prescott. I didn't get to that game until later in the week. And so I humbly submit to you guys a throw of the year nominee from Dak. Snap is back. good block from the right tackle rolling right prescott throws on the run to the right side oh that ball caught oh please tell me he caught that tobert did he catch it the same catch he did his best michael gallop down at the five-yard line i don't know how prescott got it there or how tobert caught the ball for 34.

35:16Steve Wyche:sometimes you got to consider the situation for For that moment in the game, it was also just a great catch, which helps. You also got to consider, like, breaking expectations. Dak Prescott doing a little more off script than you expect. He's been doing that all year while getting, like, hit in the stomach, throwing it downfield. That was amazing.

35:32Patrick Claybon:How do you even think of that throw? It's unconscious. It's unconscious. But that's where it was. He knows he's got a receiver on that route. I mean, that's just – and look, if he wasn't going to catch it, it was going out of bounds.

35:45Jourdan Rodrigue:So, I mean, what an incredible play. But Dak is playing out of his head. Yeah, and you're not going to find any argument on that submission from me, Greg, because Nick Shook and I covered it on the Sunday night recap, and we were like, we got to make sure Greg submits this to the throw of the year in the candidacy. Okay, so I really like this statistic that kind of explains Dak right now that Ben Baldwin does. It's called adjusted EPA, and basically it's adjusted. It's EPA, but it's adjusted for pass protection, receiver drops, dropped interceptions, fumble recoveries, et cetera. It also accounts for the defenses that the quarterback is facing.

36:20Jourdan Rodrigue:And Dak Prescott is number one. So not only, not only is he playing unconscious football right now, he's also doing it with, you know, factoring out like CD earlier on the season, factoring in the fact that the Packers came in with a really good defense. Like it's, it's, he's, he's climbing to the top and then some. And I think it's also elevating some of the playmakers, the skill guys around him, all those guys really stepped up for him the other night. That's a hell of an analytical breakdown, by the way, to take all that stuff into account, which isn't that cool? Yeah. I mean, cause there's a lot of, a whole lot of quarterbacks, uh, who, who did my favorite quarterback who did get that mercy, you know, their first, I don't think Baker Mayfield got that mercy when he was playing with the Browns.

37:06I love it.

37:07Jourdan Rodrigue:It's really cool. It's, um, Greg's going to really hate who's second. Um, but it's, it's, it's really, really cool. I love context. I just love context. It's awesome. Yeah. Eight grades love context.

37:19Patrick Claybon:It's all we can aspire to is to fully contextualize the things that we're discussing. And looking back at that throw once again, Tolbert was four yards deep in the end zone when Dak threw that. Tolbert's a punt returner. That was a punt. Yeah. Just imagination going wild for Rain Dakota Prescott. Again, looking forward to that game. Also, Brees Hall, the analogy there was very, very heavy. But they have made a lot of mistakes. The Las Vegas Raiders, speaking of mistakes, taking on the Indianapolis Colts, who are favored by six and a half. The Colts suffered a defeat at SoFi Stadium, Jordan, in a fantastic game.

37:56Patrick Claybon:The over-under in this one, 47 and a half. Chris Myers, Mark Sanchez, and Christina Pink on the call. They're going to want to burn some of the tape until they bounce back at home against the Raiders.

38:07Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, one player, bless his heart, because I feel horrible for A.D. Mitchell, but one player specifically will be the one who wants to burn some of that. Because I think collectively the Colts still looked really, really good. Some of the quick pressure or some of the all out wrecking ball bull rush pressure right up the middle by Jared First got to Daniel Jones from time to time. But overall, I thought he played well. and the irony of this game is interesting to me because it's two quarterbacks in new homes, obviously. One is working out very well. The other one, he's having some struggles because in part he's missing some of the players around him, not just up front, but also guys like Brock Bowers who's been banged up for a while.

38:50Jourdan Rodrigue:And the irony of it is that on the other side, the other offense of sideline, Tyler Warren and Daniel Jones building that rapport is showing exactly how a schemed up tight end can help a quarterback, especially in a new situation, especially surprising these defenses that have not seen a lot of tape or at least only a couple games worth of tape on them. And I hate it for Geno because I wish that they had, that the Raiders had this available to them. I wish Geno had this type of player who's on the roster, but banged up in Brock Bowers. I wish he had this available to him. Yeah, I mean, speaking of Geno though, I mean, Ashton Gentry, we saw him come alive last week and he was somebody we talked about I was a little concerned with it after his first couple games because he wasn't getting a ton of totes and he was physical in the first half and it would seem to wane as the game went along and now we saw as the game went on here he just got better and better yeah so continue to feed him the thing is this Colts defensive front I mean I absolutely love I mean you look at the talent but you know Grover Stewart, Quidipe, DeForest Buckner, or Leatu Latu.

39:56We know Zaire Franklin's a tackling machine. Like, this is a bad matchup for the Raiders.

40:01Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, just all the way across. And again, like Latu is just a fantastic player, but they've got depth on that front. Boy, Luana Rumo. Boy, I don't think he was the issue at Cincinnati now, was it? Nope. He went there and got some players, and he's showing to do his thing. I like the Colts in this game. I like the number at 6.5 as well. It's going to be a tough run. Bad matchup, Greg, for your boy Geno.

40:25Steve Wyche:they're all bad matchups right now. Actually, that's not true. I think he's played really well two games and the two worst starts of his entire career, including some of those Jets starts. Certainly the worst two starts since he joined the Seahawks were the ones that everyone watched that three interception game last week. And it's just weird. He's holding the ball longer than he's ever held it. He's throwing it deeper than he's ever thrown it. And he's just not throwing it accurately. It doesn't seem like he's seeing the field or liking what he's seen. He's throwing interceptions on like the exact same play against the exact same defense, which maybe tells you a little bit about where they're at offensively.

41:03Steve Wyche:And I'm with you. It's a tougher matchup than I would have expected, Steve. Latu is playing awesome. He kind of is showing why he was the first defensive player drafted last year. I really loved him coming out, and he's taking a little bit to get going, but he's sweet, and they don't need to be great. I think the recipe for the Colts is just to have an average defense. I don't think they're great. I think they're probably average overall, but that's a big upgrade from where they were. They have some holes in their secondary, and the offense is going to possibly carry this team. This is kind of a new test for the Colts.

41:37Steve Wyche:So, like, they're a heavy favorite. They're coming off a loss. They're playing a team. Like, I think when you become, like, a potential division winner, you have these little check marks throughout the year. And this is just, like, an early one. Like, this is a game they should win. go win a game you should win. Great point. That's good stuff. I like that.

41:54Patrick Claybon:It kind of felt like the offense, especially in the Rams game, was missing Alec Pierce. Your favorite player. He is my favorite player. And I will continue to bring up Alec Pierce. And I think Alec Pierce not being there gave A.D. Mitchell a chance to make that big play. Of course, it didn't necessarily work out, but to have that amount of talent on the field where you kind of started to notice that we've been saying it for years, like, wow, Richardson, get things together. Like, Steichen and Dimes have got this thing figured out. And the full display of the talent versus over on the other side where we can celebrate and i'm glad like ashton jimti went back to his stance i'm glad i know i loved it i was like leo pointing at the camera me why would that hold up yeah why would that ever be an issue because it's chip kelly why would you take a guy who thrives in something as minute as a stance and break him out of that what the hell was that like i didn't pay that much attention to it until i heard about and i'm like why the hell would you mess with a stud stance because coaches love control yeah because a massive recruiting budget and the success of several very talented players at oregon got you anointed as a genius um and ultimately uh the results since then have not necessarily uh justified so you're saying the talent at ohio state's pretty good too yeah i I think the Ohio State football program was pretty talented as well because Ashton Gentry still got hit behind the line of scrimmage on 15 of 21 carries in the Ashton Gentry game where it's just he made some great plays.

43:24Patrick Claybon:And, you know, Kevin Byard, who was able to sneak around in the middle of the field and pick off Geno twice, when he had to be out on the edge and make a play on Ashton Gentry, like you saw what Gentry was talking about in the pre-draft, like draft the guy they can't tackle. Like Byard had every opportunity to get him, could not even really slow him down that much. I saw that and was like, why? Like, what? Like, really? That? That's who got Amario and Hampton? You know, you got him in the proper stance. That's why he was so good at Ohio State. Oh, his stance. What the hell? Yeah. It's one of those.

43:55Jourdan Rodrigue:I think it's a confidence thing, too. And it's sort of a. Come on.

43:59Patrick Claybon:And I don't necessarily think, like, the change of the stance was, like, the ultimate result. Just Jensie was eventually going to hit a long run or two. And it happened against the Bears.

44:09Jourdan Rodrigue:And, you know, I actually just I also tend to think that it's a small like we always talk about opening scripts. Right. And how a lot of especially coaches, sometimes quarterbacks will show you kind of who they want to be and what they want to do or how much autonomy they have, how much control they themselves have within a certain plan. And so for me, it's like, no, I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world. the stance thing at the same time. Like I do think that him feeling like himself and feeling comfortable on a professional football field is important for any player. I don't give a crap how high you were drafted, like be you and run free.

44:46Jourdan Rodrigue:Like that's just, that's how I feel about it. Yeah.

44:48Patrick Claybon:One of the, the worst teams in the NFL in terms of turnover differential, if the Raiders could take care of the ball, maybe they'll give us something to watch. But this, this Colts team playing pretty good football at the moment. But it's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places. On Sunday night football, it's the New England Patriots. At the Buffalo Bills in this bruising division in the AFC East where the Patriots have a chance, Greg. They have a chance to make a push. The Bills favored by eight and a half points. The overrunner is 50 and a half. It's Mike Torrico, Chris Collinsworth.

45:24Patrick Claybon:You got a chance to make a push. Melissa Stark on the call. Can they do it? I'm going to look at Eric while you say it, Greg. They could absolutely do it.

45:33Steve Wyche:Eye contact. Why not? He's shaking his head. In New England, they're saying, is this the biggest game of Drake May's career? It's like, yeah, well, that's going to be literally every game until they're out of playoff contention. Yes, it is, I guess. It's a mismatch, I think, of massive proportions when the Bills have the ball and the Patriots' defense is on the field. It's the number one offense now in the league in terms of DVOA, and they can run the ball. And the Patriots defense looks better against Carolina, but they've got holes that you can pick on, I think, at linebacker and at safety. We haven't mentioned on this show, and I did want to get in, that they're without their defensive coordinator, Terrell Williams, who has prostate cancer.

46:16Steve Wyche:And that's a big blow to Mike Frabel's first coaching staff. He was counting on Terrell Williams, first-time coordinator, to be his guy. and he had coached with him before, and he's been kind of often on the team since starting camp. And so that's maybe part of it. And so Vrabel has to take a bigger role. And can he scheme up anything that gives the Bills problems? Because, you know, they don't really have the players. And to me, it's a big proof of concept. And just show me who you are game for their defensive line, because that's where their best players are. Milton Williams has been great. Christian Barmore is coming off his best game of the season.

46:54Steve Wyche:and Harold Landry has been great. And they're going up against what I think is, at this point, the best offensive line in the entire NFL. So can they do something up front? That's their only chance to meet Jordan. Can those three guys just be great and actually get some pressure and some run stops in a way that no opponent for the Bills has so far this year?

47:15Jourdan Rodrigue:They have to make the entire unit uncomfortable. It's going to take a lot of discipline and a lot of physicality, right? Because that is, you're right, I agree with you. one of the best top two for sure offensive lines in football right now. And has been and has the continuity, right? I have no doubt that this Bills offense is going to score plenty of points eventually. But watching the Bills and the Saints last week, I was stunned at times by how many missed tackles I saw from the Bills defense. This is no secret all year. But if you can scheme a couple guys into space and get a couple of like hard run after the catch plays.

47:54Jourdan Rodrigue:If you get your backs moving in the passing game a little bit, the way that the Saints did with some of the versatile players that they have on the roster. And if your quarterback can make some plays with his legs, which again was the sort of what the Saints did when they made it really close and a little trickier than I think even the Bills expected because that defense is so questionable with its tackling, with its ability to bring players to the ground. I have no doubt that the bills win this game and they eventually, like they did last week, put up a lot of points in doing it. It is the best offense in football right now.

48:27Jourdan Rodrigue:It is also one of the more questionable defenses, not necessarily in terms of philosophy, but in terms of execution and also in depth in some areas. So that's where I really stay concerned with this. We shouldn't forget that this is a Stefan Diggs revenge game either. So we're going to get some sort of me. We might not get a big Stefan Diggs game, but we will get a meme out of it. I think Stephon Diggs is going to have a good game. I think Drake May is playing. Greg, I'm a big Drake May guy, and he is getting better. You can just see him feeling himself. His OC, Josh McTain, is not going to make it easy on him because he's going to change the game plans week to week.

49:06He's going to screen to death, try screen death teams every week. Let Drake May play football. But him and Stephon Diggs got something working, as he does with Hunter Henry. you know, right. You're seeing right here when you get in the red zone. So I think new England is going to put points on the board. I mean, I don't, I don't think this is going to be a game where, you know, they get wiped off the map. Buffalo is the better team, but I think new England is going to score some points and make this a little bit more intriguing.

49:29Jourdan Rodrigue:Don't you love Hunter Henry still out there doing it?

49:32Patrick Claybon:Yeah. And he's got an, he's got an opportunity to do it because in terms of like, if, if you go to overall next gen stats, you can sort by the wide open percentage that a defense is allowed. The bills are at 35%.

49:44Jourdan Rodrigue:I call those wow plays. Remember from last week?

49:47Patrick Claybon:Wide open.

49:48Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

49:49Patrick Claybon:And your acronym game is. And there's been plenty of wow opportunities. Wow. Against Buffalo. And so, yeah, like Hunter Henry, Stefan Diggs, like these guys are in play. I think there's reason to believe, Greg. I think there's reason to believe.

50:04Steve Wyche:Oh, I do, too. I think they have a chance to win this game. I would be surprised if they did. But I certainly would like the eight and a half. I would, too. It's like a litmus test because I think the lowest moment quietly of Bill Belichick's tenure and the beginning of the end for him in New England was that playoff game where he became the first coach to ever have a defense that didn't get a single stop in a playoff game. Josh Allen scored every single time. And Mac Jones was game that day. Mac Jones coordinated by Josh McDaniels. You know, they scored their points at it. Like Josh McDaniels does a good job coordinating the New England Patriots.

50:44Steve Wyche:In any other job that he's had in the NFL, there's been problems, including even coordinating the St. Louis Rams back in the day. But you mentioned putting a lot on Drake Mays' plate, Steve. I would say that they're scheming up a lot of open receivers. I mean, it's not like they have guys who win one-on-one. It's a highly schemed and controlled offense where I think May is, as you're saying, looking really comfortable. I think his pocket feel is much better this season. And so he's going to have some big plays that he creates with his legs. But otherwise, I think it's like a nice, tightly managed, controlled thing.

51:21Steve Wyche:It's like a young, I don't know, Josh Allen, if you want to get a little frisk.

51:24Jourdan Rodrigue:Is this a Mac Collins revenge game too? I like that.

51:29Patrick Claybon:All sorts of revenge.

51:30Steve Wyche:Mac Collins has got like seven of them. I know.

51:32Patrick Claybon:He's collected a lot of teams. Like infinity stones.

51:35Steve Wyche:You know how I knew Drake May was starting to finally feel himself as a pro when he broke out that Superman for Cam last week. I was so fired up. And then he gave a really almost emotional speech after the game saying Cam Newton is his all-time favorite quarterback because of the way that he played because of the way that he led. And he even admitted he stopped being a Carolina Panthers fan when they got rid of Cam Newton. So that made me even a bigger Drake May fan than I already am. All right, let's take one more break on this AFC show and we will be back on the other side to talk about maybe the best team in the NFL against maybe the worst team in the NFL.

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55:15Steve Wyche:Back on NFL Daily. And yes, I teased it before the break. As big of a mismatch as you could possibly have in the NFL right now. It is the Detroit Lions coming in on a three-game winning streak facing the Cincinnati Bengals having been out gained Patrick by 500 yards in

55:33Patrick Claybon:the last two weeks combined and which is why it's an eye-popping number that it's not higher the Detroit Lions favored by 10 on the road at Cincinnati the over-under is 49 and a half Kevin Kugler Moose Johnston and Allison Williams on the call hopefully they have their calculators out Jordan because I cannot imagine a situation where Dan Campbell's Detroit Lions do not score 50 points in this game.

55:56Jourdan Rodrigue:The carnage. Wow. The carnage potential of this game is kind of astounding to think about the potential. Now anything could happen, guys. I'm not one to roll out like any perceived possibility here, but I think about that gif that circulated a couple of years ago about the young child in the automatic like toy car just rolling over the other child in the front lawn. Not able to stop. Not able to reverse. Just goes right over him. That's kind of what I picture when I think about it. Guys, because I've been, you know, me and Nick Shook filling in for Greg on Monday night show this week. I watched that entire game start to finish.

56:42Jourdan Rodrigue:Broncos putting up 500 yards against the Bengals. The Bengals only play because they can't run the ball at historically low rates. only play being let's try to draw let's try to draw P.I. down the field to T. Higgins or Jamar Chase I mean it is bad and they could not adjust they didn't change anything they were shotgun the entire time Steve and no quick passing game yeah I mean this is one you know look I I like Jake Browning I think he's a very capable backup but when he's getting his brains knocked in like get a quick pass game do something some some bubble screen something to get it going and they just like let's just stand back there and take shot plays yeah three and out three and out but let's go to this defense though i mean this is one like first off puka naku and amon rossian brown are two best wide receivers in the nfl right okay we can go by skill set and everything jamar chase and justin jefferson but puka naku and amon rossian brown are sick right and amon ross is going to have some he might throw a touchdown pass right they're gonna they're gonna have they're gonna have some fun because Cincinnati on defense Trey Hendrickson or not it is a sieve and now if if all of a sudden they come out and Detroit comes out and gets up 14 nothing real quick okay now there's gonna be some picks going on you know Kirby Joseph these guys you're gonna start making plays Aiden Hutchinson's gonna make the pro bowl in a game like this and I don't think it's gonna be well yeah I do I think it's I think yeah let's just let's just go ahead and landslide it, avalanche it, whatever.

58:14This is, you know, I do like Zach Taylor after that game against the Broncos. He came out and was like, we're 2-2. We're in a good place. Yeah, those last two games haven't been good.

58:24Steve Wyche:Greg, you didn't like that, huh? You know what that reminds me of? There's a scene in the show Quarterback where Joe Burrow goes over to, you know, Zach Taylor goes over to Joe Burrow on the sideline who is furious during a Titans game because they had like six before the snap penalties on the offense and they won that game 37 to 27 and he is so pissed and Zach's like hey you gotta come you gotta try to enjoy the wins and he's like we're terrible today like I'm not gonna enjoy this we're brutal and Zach's over there like oh come on we gotta we gotta try to enjoy this life is short and Joe Burrow is like having a much higher standard than the head coach of the team who is kind of going over to him like he's a substitute teacher like just trying to calm the student down and i love that that's a bad dynamic and i i don't like that dynamic for this cincinnati bengals organization they deserve better can you do that voice one more time that my zach taylor voice i i gotta say as someone who has been politicking against zach taylor for years to get to this moment is actually unsatisfying because it's it's just unwatchable like this is the worst situation fox took this game and made it the 420 It's a 425 game because they thought it's Joe Burrow versus one of the best teams in the league.

59:42Steve Wyche:And instead, it's just one of the best teams in the league. One thing I like, though, Patrick, this Lions defense. I mean, I was thinking Jake Browning. OK, now you don't have to play Minnesota and Denver. It's not as crazy. I mean, if you're looking at DVOA, the Lions defense actually ranked higher than both of them. They're a top five defense right now. They're really playing good team ball. So I was at the Monday night game when they played the Ravens. the game plan was fantastic but their linebackers the way they were able to spy lamar alex anzalone who's a great open field tackler the way they spied lamar and the way they just locked up the receivers i was is impressed i know they lost aaron glenn i know they're going through some changes on the shepherd but kelvin shepherd is he's got it putting together some stuff and the players are so excited i mean when alex anzalone is spying lamar from seven yards deep from and and stopping him like closing as soon as Lamar takes off that means nothing else is going on for the other team so Detroit is putting it together with these new coordinators and Jake Browning they got they got a quick game just get it to just get it to those receivers as quickly as possible and get the ball out of his hands part of the problem why they can't adjust

1:00:54Jourdan Rodrigue:is because like I said before everything's coming out of the gun which if you have Joe Burrow that's fine. And I get some of it's too, where you're just like, Hey, I would like the quarterback to be able to see the defense for as long as possible, but they're not getting any, any help because they have no run game. So they can't go under center because they're not going to run the ball because they have to make sure that they're in the gun the entire time and they can't run the ball anyway. So they can't even go into the pistol to keep some semblance of the gun intact and go into their play action game.

1:01:23Jourdan Rodrigue:They have nothing that helps protect the quarterback and it shows. And I just think, and, and Calvin Shepard, you, I love watching him coach on the sidelines, because if you're wanting to talk about the kind of defeatist, like participation trophy esque mindset of like what Zach Taylor was talking about, right? Like enjoy the wins and it's not good enough for, for Joe Burrow. Calvin Shepard is, is not coaching like that. He's coaching with so much energy. He's like, all of his guys are with him. You can totally feel it. You can almost feel it through the TV screen. And in a short sleeve, great t-shirt.

1:01:56Jourdan Rodrigue:Yes. Like he is just totally going boot camp in the wardrobe on the sideline. And what did we say at the very beginning? Because this whole conversation nationally about, oh, new coordinators on one on each side of the ball and then all this stuff. Dan Campbell has an eye for talent. He has showed this over and over again of when to promote, when to uplift, when to amplify the right coaches for the right situations. And I think he's doing that on both sides of the ball.

1:02:25Steve Wyche:And as if the Lions needed any more good news, if you're watching our show on YouTube, we just threw up a little graphic, a moment in time of the Bengals offensive line in that Broncos game where they have four players blocking one. Meanwhile, their bookend tackles, who sneakily are a big part of this whole problem, both get beaten very quickly by Nick Benito and Jonathan Cooper. And poor Jake Browning is about to get absolutely hammered. So that's bad coaching, bad execution, bad resource allocation, bad coaching. It's all bad right now for the Bengals. It's good for those of us who took that Lions over 10 and a half wins before the season.

1:03:04Steve Wyche:I'm feeling good about it. Also, Aleem McNeil returned to practice this week. Not going to play this week, but that is good for that Lions defensive line.

1:03:12Patrick Claybon:Fully operational Lions team. Love to see it. Let's get to London. The Minnesota Vikings. Oh, yeah.

1:03:20Jourdan Rodrigue:get to stay away from the country.

1:03:22Patrick Claybon:They are favored by three and a half. The home team is the Cleveland Browns, but the Vikings have been over there for a while. Again, the over under 36 and a half a family on NFL network hosting the game. Kenny Albert, Jonathan Vilma, Sarah Walsh rise, shine and watch second week in a row. We care about each other over here. I'm glad you're watching this game on the NFL network and Steve Weiss. we get to see Dylan Gabriel make his first start in the NFL. Yeah! Oh, yes. There it is. That's really good. I'm thinking politics right here with that. Yeah. But Dylan Gabriel makes a start against his Vikings D, but Carson Wentz also makes another start against this Browns D.

1:04:09But let's go to Dylan Gabriel because this is going to be interesting. The fact that Cleveland decided to make this change international game against someone who's going to scheme the hell out of anybody he plays or brian flores in this defense but scheme up dylan gabriel where there's not a lot of tape you've got about a 5 9 5 10 quarterback lefty but he gets the ball out i mean he he runs stefanski's scheme the way it needs to be run now he has not run it in a game but everything you talk about he's in the book he's doing this and that he's a gym rat guy been a training camp watch him operate it it looks good again we'll see it in a game and and i and i'm i'm actually excited to see dylan gabriel i was very i i loved him at oregon i love how he plays again this defense is going to be hard but i i think if you're going to make this move and you go to dylan gabriel everyone's going to compare him against chadour chadour's still third on the bench you know i find it interesting and you guys tell me a lot of times season reporters like Jordan, Patrick, Greg, and myself.

1:05:13It's what people say but don't say. Joe Flacco, when I asked about Gabriel today, hey, look, he puts in the time. He does the work. He does the little things. And I want people to interpret that the way they might as to why Dylan Gabriel is getting the start. And Joe Flacco is still the number two.

1:05:33Steve Wyche:I also think you just got to look at the preseason. That Chitter had a solid first appearance, and after that, he got hurt and it went south. I was impressed by Dylan Gabriel way more than I expected to be in the preseason. I thought his arm was a little more juicy than I expected. Obviously, it's not going to be even NFL average, but he's putting a lot into it. He made some difficult throws, and I think he knew how to run that offense, and I'm more excited. I don't need to fake the enthusiasm. There you go. What are you talking about? It's fake. To get ready for this game. It wasn't fake, Greg.

1:06:07Patrick Claybon:I care about these people, and we get a chance to broadcast again.

1:06:11Steve Wyche:You know who doesn't fake enthusiasm? So right now, I'm taping in the TalkStore studios, and right next to me, I'm going to take advantage of the fact that the host, Will Gavin, is in the studio, who I'm going to be calling the game with on Sunday, and Will, never a man to miss an opportunity to promote himself, said, hey, we have a viral video going on right now. I share that with Will, by the way. We have a viral video up right now of calling the game on Sunday. He said, well, we should we should talk about this game a little bit in the studio. So welcome. Well, we'll also, you know, getting the the pump primed for the listeners.

1:06:52Steve Wyche:We'll also be joining us on the Sunday night recap show again this year. So I'm excited for this game. Thank you for having me. Sensational stuff. Patrick, I want to steal that. And can we use that on the broadcast on Sunday? Because I think that's going to get everyone going more than anything else. We'll just have it out of one of the ad breaks. no context whatsoever just you screaming about dylan gabriel sounds good oh no you have to put

1:07:13Patrick Claybon:the howard you have to put the howard yeah they're gonna miss the context on the howard dean scream but we'll and i promise you greg will accuse me of having fake enthusiasm as someone who was

1:07:22Jourdan Rodrigue:sitting next to it that nothing fake about that as someone who is sitting right next to it

1:07:29Steve Wyche:and you know what watching that browns game last week if you only watched the browns defense when the Lions offense was on the field. And I'm looking forward to talking about that during our broadcast. That felt like a matchup of one of the best defenses in the league against one of the best offenses in the league. And the Browns got their share of wins. So if I'm Kevin Stefanski, I think he's looking at what happened last week to Minnesota. I think he's thinking about the way to attack also this Vikings defense is on the ground. And he's thinking we can keep this a low-scoring game, and maybe Dylan Gabriel does give us a better chance to win.

1:08:05The thing is, you see last week and you see the Lions scored 34 points. But realistically, actual points scored on the Browns defense is 10. Because 17 of those points came off turnovers, seven off that huge pump return. Three of their touchdown drives started from the three, the five, and the 20-yard line. Like, you're not putting your defense in a position to win. And when you consider the injuries on the Minnesota Vikings line, if Brian O 'Neal seems like he's going to be out for a significant time, Ryan Kelly with a second concussion in a space of three weeks.

1:08:35Steve Wyche:They're already missing one of their guards as well. Donovan Jackson is not for this game they announced already. It's a huge, huge mismatch. And actually, like, 36 and a half points is the over-under, I think, might be generous. I'm not going to lie.

1:08:48Jourdan Rodrigue:I agree with you, Will, absolutely. I mean, I know you're shocked that I agree with you on something. But anything you say. Jordan, you and I go and look at how some fire. I don't know what you're talking about. I know. I don't know what you're beeping with me. No, I know. It's, you know, just keep an eye on it. That's all I'm saying. That feels worse. I wish you just spoke out about it rather than saying, just keep an eye on it. Every time you speak, though, I find myself nodding and smiling just because you're just amazing and a delight of a person. Oh, stop it. But I do think, like, it's interesting.

1:09:21Jourdan Rodrigue:Like, I do think that this line is generous, to your point. very much so because I think this does end up being a defensive battle. And I think part of the reason, there's twofold, some of the reasons why Dylan Gabriel is getting the start now and in this place. And I think it's kind of like baptism by fire a little bit because you're going to see a lot of stuff that you're not used to seeing. You're going to be in a very unfamiliar environment. The defense, as they have had to do all year, is going to have to lift this offense up as much as it possibly can. and it's Dylan Gabriel playing with a bunch of guys that he came into the same class with.

1:09:59Jourdan Rodrigue:A lot of these offensive guys are playing really, really well right now. And it's like, what do we actually have together collectively against one of the most difficult and confusing defenses to play? Like what actually is there? And so whether or not the Browns win or lose this game, there's going to be a lot of tape that this coaching staff and this organization is going to pour over to try to understand what actually is here among this young collective group that they they all came in at the same time and on Dylan Gabriel I will say this not to like humble brag or whatever but when I got to spend a lot of time with the Ram scouting department for a series that I did a couple years ago people were already scouting ahead on to the next draft class the one after the one that was incoming and when they were scouting tackles when they were scouting receivers, when they were looking a lot at Oregon, I kept hearing from other teams, some from the Rams, but from other teams, how much this guy reminds them of Tua.

1:10:56Jourdan Rodrigue:When Tua is playing on time, when he's doing some of the ball handling that he does, when he sees the field well, when he can get the ball out quickly, he's got good pronation on it for a lefty quarterback. And he just, he plays sort of, he's very small, but he plays sort of collected within whatever that system is, if the system fits him and i think i and that's the comp that i kept hearing well because he broke all to his records over over in hawaii as well and one thing that dylan gabriel will do because he is a little bit more mobile than tua but because he's short i mean he's he's really like when you see him he's sure but he will move to the point to get passing lanes that aren't necessarily there for joe flacco who's statuesque so again they're going to do some more fluid things with their offense it's what they they have to do so it's you know it's it's intriguing but but will let Let me give you props because, dude, you hit on something that I've been screaming about for 15 years, right?

1:11:49When defenses get scores, like an interception for points, whatever. Oh, this a couple of years ago. Oh, the Cowboys, you know, they led the NFL in scoring when they had 10 non-offensive touchdowns. Their offense didn't lead the NFL in scoring. Their team did.

1:12:05Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah. So I'm glad he clarified that point. That's a pro right there. And talking about the defensive scores and non-offensive scores going against a team's defense or working against a team's offense, however you want to put it. So well done, because this is where numbers sometimes fool you. I'm kind of a little bit on the Dylan Gabriel bandwagon, right? At 64 starts in college, they might not have been against the kind of level of opponent that he's going to be facing with Brian Flores and the Vikings defense. But you just you learn how to do all the operational stuff. Like it's the opposite of what we saw from JJ McCarthy, even though he had plenty of starts in college himself in those first two starts this year.

1:12:45I just feel like are we going to see like we've had with Shane Steichen and Daniel Jones and like we saw with Jackson Dart this weekend? Finally, a coach who's just got a quarterback who's just going to do what he's told and run the system and he's mobile enough to do it. And so even though I think they keep it simple for him, I think the marriage, I think Stefanski is excited about.

1:13:04Steve Wyche:Yeah, and it's such a mismatch up front for both sides. This Browns defensive line is so great right now, and they're going up against three backups for the Vikings. And the flip side, Dylan Gabriel will be running for his life. So I feel like the London crowd, for whatever reason, likes ugly defensive games. We're going to bring one for you. And Will, the challenge will be for you to come up with another viral clip, a great call. It's going to be a challenge. You can't lean into it. I'm checking it now. Wow, we're at 1.3 million views per year call. You did that. Thank you, Will. He will be back, as I mentioned, on NFL Daily.

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