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21:00Jourdan Rodrigue:I think keep lean into that. Keep going with that. Do, do these things act like Kyle Duggar is joining the team every single week. Honestly, like it, it worked. Good pickup. Yeah, they got them if you missed it in a trade, a late round pick swap. And just the dudes showed up. And it was funny watching the Colts defensive plan. They blitzed on 41 % of their snaps, and they had a 10 % pressure rate. Because Aaron Rodgers, he went, like everything you've seen about him this year went to an extreme level because he took some pressures early. Their offense did not look good early in the game. And the rest of the game, he just decided, I'm getting rid of the ball.

21:38I am not getting hit. They did not have much of a run game today. Jalen Warren held under two yards per carry, but Rogers, yeah, but he did score two touchdowns. And that's the thing about the Steelers. They're a great red zone team on both sides of the ball. That has basically been the key to their season. And they did capitalize in the red zone, at least early in this game. He had a time to throw of 2.1 today, which is just outrageous and averaging 2.7 air yards. So almost all of his yards were after the catch. and it's a lot of Darno Washington and Fryermuth and Jonu Smith. And they're in multiple tight ends like 50 % of the time.

22:15Three tight ends like 35 % of the time. Like it is just, it's some heavy big boy football that Jordan Rodriguez loves.

22:22Patrick Claybon:There was a rollout before the first Jalen Warren touchdown where 2010 Aaron Rodgers is in the end zone discount double checking. And there was so much grass. And I'm like, oh, Rodgers is back. The grass by the way. the gap closed almost instantly. And it's, it's a sign that, you know, Aaron Rogers is my age. But yeah, he, he has like that, that one moment of hesitation. He's like, am I going to, am I really going to do this? And I'm like, your only chance is to just go for it. But I think he was smart to not really go for it. He was, he was topped out. Yeah. Cause there was, there was two. Well, I know, but like, if he like, like a thrown his body in there, but there were two defenders there and, you know, discretion, the better part of valor there, the Steelers, winning the division right now.

23:08I think the Ravens see this result, and they're like, hmm, I thought that might be a loss at 5-3. And yes, the Colts fall to 7-2. They're going to Berlin next week. They're still atop the AFC. But you mentioned who's right behind them. Let's go to Foxborough. He has Diggs in the left slot. It's a third down to the five snap and Drake. He throws it to the left for Hunter Henry. He's open to the far sideline, and he slides inbounds at the 40.

23:31Patrick Claybon:The Bayford table to set up a bit of a rough play for Hunter Henry. He's able to get wide open. Drake May finds it. That's a ball game. Oh, they wouldn't even let Solak in on the call. I like it. Eric's feeling frisky at Dodgers' parade on Monday. You're not getting in his show. Bob Sochi, WBZ, 24-23. They've had a lot of games like that, Jordan, where they need Drake May or the offense to get one or two first downs at the end of the game. and even after letting the Falcons back into this one, they get the job done in the end.

24:07Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, and Drake May and Hunter Henry needed that. They needed to make that play badly, not just to ice out the game, but because after a really strong start by Drake May, two touchdowns, super clean game, he only had three incompletions, he started turning the ball over. He turned the ball over twice. The Falcons scored 10 points off of his turnovers and then the Patriots basically just had to hold off a Falcons comeback because they only scored three second half points. but as we know whenever they are given the chance to falcon the falcons will falcon and at the end of the game parker romo misses an extra point that would have tied the game after the two teams traded really sloppy possessions drake may got a last chance to close it out with that conversion and that is ultimately what sealed the game it was real touch and go there for a minute but they got it done i didn't think that my worst take and i've had so many of the preseason would be that the Patriots were making a mistake keeping their rookie Andy Borogales who's been money and getting rid of Parker Romo who supposedly beat him in the camp competition but you know why they didn't because Mike Rabel knows things we don't you know he just has the magic sauce apparently it's incredible it's incredible what they're doing and I will say you see the score and you see the second half of the offense for what New England was doing or not doing and you see the Falcons start to surge the Patriots look like the better team through most of this game Atlanta they only had four carries for Bajon Robinson for 20 yards.

25:32Jourdan Rodrigue:15 of those yards came on one carry. By the way, I'm clocking this. Their only under center run play or any play from under center of the game goes for 15 yards. It's his longest run of the game. And Michael Penix had two touchdowns, but really only one full good first half drive. Three total touchdowns, right, to London. Yes, yes. But I'm talking about the first half, like I mentioned. So in the first half, he only had two touchdowns and really only one full good drive. It was 53 yards and five plays. And that was on the third possession of the game. They really couldn't move the ball much at all in the first half.

26:06Jourdan Rodrigue:They capitalized from the six yard line off of a takeaway or one of the first, the early Drake May turnovers. And that was what really was helping them stay in this game. That and the fact that every time Michael Penix threw it to Drake London, who had a hat trick today, he was making something insane happen. Let's hear his third touchdown of the game. Sills, London, the pitch to the right, Mooney to the left. They're going to get zone coverage. Robinson with Pennix. Here's the snap. They bring five again. They'll throw for London. Did he hang on? He did! Touchdown Atlanta! Oh, this is an unbelievable...

26:45Drake London has done it again!

26:48Jourdan Rodrigue:It's just insane. It's just insane. And it was really Drake London go up and make a play and otherwise just extremely disjointed from the Falcons offense. And it wasn't, you know, the Patriots had really a really solid run defense. Again, they had not up until this game had not allowed a single rusher to go over 50 yards the entire season. But this just was another example of the Falcons doing just enough in spurts and way negative plays, negative drives, not enough in others. The two rookies on the defensive side were a bright spot. Jalen Walker and James Pierce Jr. They combined to force that Drake May fumble strip sack that James Pierce picked up and ran to the six yard line.

27:31Jourdan Rodrigue:Other than that, I mean, the Patriots really outplayed them. And again, the box score doesn't really show it. But in every phase, the Patriots just really had it more consistently than the Falcons did.

27:43Patrick Claybon:And it's a consistent thing that we've talked about for weeks now about the scheme and how they are executing this offense for the Atlanta Falcons, where I think we can just get rid of the game against the Dolphins, where when Kirk Cousins was playing, that in hindsight was just going to go left regardless. But we see where Bajon Robinson's getting 10 targets for just 50 yards, other than Drake London and a couple of Kyle Pitts catches that really nothing available. And it's just Drake London, a lot of times late in the plays and Michael Penix Jr. kind of collaborating to freestyle stuff. Like the one fade touchdown to Drake London, he catches the ball on the other shoulder on a fade ball.

28:24Patrick Claybon:I don't know what the original call was there in terms of the offense because it's a fade that he's catching on the inside just because he's got that significant size advantage over most people. But you look at the way that the Falcons are operating and so much doesn't make sense. And despite all that, there are Parker Romo extra point. And again, like who's to say they stop the Patriots and Drake May doesn't get a Boregales field goal to win the game. But it's another one of these situations where this team could have easily won this football game despite all the problems that they have on both sides of the ball.

28:59Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, it really was for the Patriots. It really was as simple as the turnovers because they were moving the ball really well. And but they just turned it over between the second and third quarters. And they just Drake May just doesn't hasn't really done that. I mean, he has played mostly just really clean football. He's pushed the ball. He has not been afraid to make really good throws. There were a couple early in the game that were absolutely sick. I was turning to Greg and being like, I don't think you're actually making enough of a big deal about that. I think so. I mean, I've almost been afraid to make too big of a deal.

29:28Jourdan Rodrigue:I know, because you'll be judged. Drake May becoming like a top five type of quarterback this season is one of the biggest stories in the NFL this season. But I do, I'm not surprised. To me, he's going to have some higher variance games because he does take chances. It's been crazy how clean everything has been. So games like this don't surprise me. I think there will be more games like this. And to be fair, their offense has almost never put together full games. It's always one terrible. It's always like one really quiet half. And then they turn it on. It's usually the second half. This time they kind of reversed it.

29:59Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, it was definitely the inverse of it. I think credit to the defense because they did make enough plays on their end to just stop a ton of consistency. And it was a lot of stop, start, stop, start, and then throw the ball in a gotta have it moment to Drake London. This was a Michael Penix game that was kind of confusing. So he had a fourth and four on that drive. And of course he goes to Drake London and of course Drake London converts it. And then it sets up a touchdown. But then when they're trying to close out the game and to be fair, both offenses traded sloppy possessions. When you're trying to close out the game, it's a confusion there's an intentional grounding penalty that you know Raheem Morris said after the game the Patriots caused because they were clapping with the cadence because they had scouted out the cadence now I went back and I looked at the all 22 like that what was available on NFL plus and I cannot see a single player clapping so I'm not really sure if it was coming from the sideline or where it was coming from or what prompted Raheem Morris to say that but they definitely messed up the snap cadence and the timing Michael Penix had to dirt the ball it was called intentional grounding.

31:04Jourdan Rodrigue:It totally took them out of the ability to continue the drive and maybe even try for another field goal. It just was sloppy. There's like one or two really great moments per game. And then the rest of it is so sloppy. Yeah, that was one that I was having a conversation with you, Patrick. I think people should go for fourth and long a little longer. They decide to punt it away instead of going for a fourth and 20. They don't get the ball back. I know it's either way. It's a low percentage play, but I would go for fourth and 20. That's not what the Patriots would rather you punt the ball away in that situation.

31:36Christian Gonzalez left this game. He did say afterwards that he was checked for a concussion, I believe, and he could have come back into the game. All right, so the Patriots, they are still the second seed in the AFC, and that's kind of the top of it right now. Before we take a break, actually, though, let's talk about the other biggest story of this Sunday. It was the return of J.J. McCarthy. It was glorious. A first down wins the game for you, J.J. McCarthy. Shotgun, third and five from his own 28, 27-24 Minnesota. Detroit with one timeout remaining. Snap, four-man rush. McCarthy throwing right, Naylor, and he caught it!

32:18Yes! At the 46-yard line! That's a 16-yard grab by Jalen Naylor and all you Lions lovers here at Fort Neal, where you can head home. I love it. I love everything about it. I love Paul Allen on KFAN. I love that they got the matchup of Jalen Naylor on Arthur Millett on a third and five, and that J.J. McCarthy had the confidence to go after it. Back shoulder, perfect ball. Naylor ices the game. They hold on to beat the Detroit Lions 27 to 24. Patrick, give us your big picture view of what kind of day J.J. McCarthy had.

33:08Patrick Claybon:It sums it up on Paul Allen's call because it's been a while since we've seen J.J. McCarthy, Justin James McCarthy back in our lives. Since week two, it was Carson Wentz. And we didn't hear that sauce, that spice from Paul Allen saying Lions fans, go home, enjoy the rest that Detroit has to offer because that's the ballgame, to sum it up, where there's Jordan Addison, there's Justin Jefferson who dealt with some cramps in the game. They're lined up three wide on the right side. They both won crossers, and that was the second target of the day for Jalen Naylor. One was an interception on a ball that McCarthy actually missed, was a little bit behind.

33:47Patrick Claybon:Terry Onardal got his first career interception on that one, but he throws that back shoulder to Jalen Naylor to ice the game, the confidence to go with that. And it wasn't just welcome back J.J. McCarthy. It was welcome back Brian Flores in a vintage Vikings defense performance where they made timely plays, where the Lions probably didn't have their best pitches. I know Dan Campbell acknowledged that sometimes things just go the other way, but it was a rough game for Lions standards for them. The guys in purple, though, had a lot to say about that. Jameer Gibbs, David Montgomery, both combined 65 yards on the ground.

34:25Patrick Claybon:Sustained success wasn't there for the Lions. Amon Ross St. Brown had some drops that he normally converts. But the way the game started on fourth down, it's fourth and four. Dan Campbell, being Dan Campbell, goes for it. Sam Laporta catches the ball at the 10, muscles his way into the end zone with some help from Kalief Raymond to go in there. But J.J. McCarthy comes right back down the field. Some nice runs from Aaron Jones, who they're glad to get back because the ground game was great, but Aaron Jones would leave with a shoulder later on in this game. McCarthy hits Justin Jefferson for a fade ball, a one-handed snag from J.J., where we've seen he and Amik Robertson go at it since seven-on-seven camps in Louisiana.

35:04Patrick Claybon:Amik got the better of him in that Week 18 game last year, but Justin Jefferson showed his dominance there. And the closing sequence where the Lions do get a touchdown on a ball to Jamison Williams, where the Stripes thought he stepped out of bounds, but JMO stayed in, extended at the pylon for six, but they left too much time. They get the ball to J.J. McCarthy, and he goes down, burns the clock out, and a solid division win for the Minnesota Vikings in the overwrought J.J. McCarthy conversation for a week, Greg. It feels so different. Forget a week. This is, I think, a season-changing type of win.

35:42It was two starts. J.J.'s all that matters, and it's just a start towards everything that they want, And this division is suddenly very close. All four teams got a chance here. And they're four and four. But to knock off the Lions and to do it in this way, you mentioned the defense, 11 QB hits on Goff, 10 tackles for loss, five sacks. And then the running game, they are successful on half their runs, doubling the success rate of the Lions who couldn't run the ball at all. And maybe it is all from that confidence from the quarterback. Let's actually look at J.J. McCarthy's arrival. If you're watching us on YouTube, We appreciate you all.

36:21And like, subscribe, do the thing. And just watch how awkward this is. He's coming in with his work shirt. That symbolizes that he's a working man. He sees the dude. Tom Palacero gets a fist bump, and then KOC gets it. I really just wanted to show this. Partly for the shirt. I was like, hey, we're coming here to work. I guess it's a Michigan Wolverine thing. So it's a callback to that. but then giving Pellicer he had no idea I think in that moment who Tom Pellicer was and just was like I guess I better give the fist bump or maybe he did and Pellicer was on the team I don't know

36:56Patrick Claybon:it's the key and peel sketch with the president daps like fully executed there like a full on dap on one side and then fist bumps for Tom P and he goes to see his head coach and then he's out I wanted to throw that in there because that's JJ arriving and then this is him arriving in the locker room after the game

37:28I just like that they were all waiting for him like a groom at like a wedding or something that

37:32Jourdan Rodrigue:was amazing that's cool I I loved that Kevin O 'Connell these little things that build confidence for a quarterback and we have such a small sample size for J.J. McCarthy but I think there were so many moments in this game where it was this like mutual ability to not only build confidence with what you're calling for this quarterback but also the team doing what the plan was initially when they decided they were going to go with J.J. McCarthy which was get what they could out of a better running game lift the floor there really play very very good attacking solid defense Absolutely. 47 % pressure rate on Jared Goff attacking defense.

38:12Jourdan Rodrigue:At one point, with only one down in between these two plays, you saw Javon Hargrave get into the backfield for a tackle for loss in the run game. Then you saw Harrison Smith bat down a Jared Goff pass when coming off the edge on a blitz. That was the Brian Flores experience in a nutshell today. And it was back, and they needed it to be, because this was what they wanted for J.J. McCarthy. Not just to give him a level runway to continue to stack days together, to get more experience, to play football, and then to lift the entire floor around him if things didn't necessarily go his way. And I thought for the most part, they did go his way as a passer.

38:48Jourdan Rodrigue:He made some excellent throws today. And I loved that Kevin O 'Connell put it in his hands to ice out the game, to try to make that difficult level, low probability throw outside shoulder to Jalen Naylor on the perimeter to ice out the game. All of these things together in combination really go such a long way for a quarterback that is trying to actually be in the NFL and put positive games together.

39:12Patrick Claybon:And I think we saw the glimpses of of why you can be hopeful and believe, because I had openly wondered outside of this conversation with Greg, like, where is the place that J.J. McCarthy excels like athletically? How do we evaluate him? And I was skeptical there. And Greg Rosenthal was like, no, J.J.'s an athlete. He showed it today on that touchdown run where Jack Campbell has gotten everything in his vicinity, puts a move on Jack Campbell at the five. And then it looks like Brian Branch is going to smash him at the pylon. And he evades that just enough to go in standing up where you can see, like you get J.J.

39:44Patrick Claybon:McCarthy out on the edge. That is an athlete making plays where I'm in. That was the moment where I was like, that was not happening over the last five or six weeks. by two guys. And like, I don't think you can overstate like the Flores game plan because Eric Wilson, their linebacker, had five quick pressures today. I don't, I just counted up. They had 16 quick pressures, which is under two and a half seconds as a team, which is as, might be the highest that I've seen all season. And it's close to being up there. And just percentage wise, JJ McCarthy actually was pressured at a higher rate, but that's partly because he was holding onto the ball a lot.

40:21But the Lions also got a million quick pressures too. So this was a game where both offensive lines were losing in terms of the passing game. And for the Vikings to come out on top in a matchup that Dan Campbell has owned, I think it's a really big statement win in the middle of this season.

40:36Patrick Claybon:And there's going to be more shuffling up front for the Lions. Christian Huggany got carded off in the fourth quarter. Dan Campbell says he was going to be out for some time there. So more changes up front for the Lions where they just started getting people back up front. Now it's back to the shuffle. So the Vikings, they don't forget about us in this NFC North race. We will get to the Packers a little later with Shooky in the show. But yeah, lines fall to six and two. And let's take a break. And on the other side, we will go to our favorite weekly segment. Yes, it's the Cincinnati Bengals defense helps to create the game of the year of the week again.

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46:00Breaks away at the 30. Loveland 20, Loveland 10, Loveland end zone. Touchdown, Bears. Colston Loveland on a throw by Caleb Williams. It's a 58-yard strike to the Michigan rookie at his second touchdown today. He outran the Bengals here in the jungle. The Bears have the lead again. Jeff Jodiak on WMVP. Man, fourth quarter. Three touchdowns after the two-minute warning. Only in Cincinnati. 47-42. Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson breathe a sigh of relief. And, yeah, Jeff Joniak on WMVP is loving every minute of it. And Bengals fans are thinking, how did that happen again?

46:56Jourdan Rodrigue:The Bengals for the Bengals. Whoopsies. A game that featured all offense and very, very little defense, including eight lead changes. Also got as weird as it did, thanks to two massive special teams plays. First, the game opened with a kickoff return for a touchdown on the very first play by Charlie Jones of the Bengals. That kicked off scoring. Score again and again and again and again they would. Then late in the game, an onside kick during the Bengals' double-digit fourth-quarter comeback got accidentally kicked by Daniel Hardy, a Bears player on the coverage team, even though it was short of the distance it needed to travel, which was recovered by the Bengals, which set up their go-ahead touchdown to make the score 42 to 41.

47:45But Caleb and Colston Loveland,

47:47Jourdan Rodrigue:who had caught his first touchdown of his NFL career earlier in the game, connected on that 58-yard touchdown, sending Bengals defenders pinballing off of each other and lost in coverage. and once again, it was the Bengals defense letting down the offense in a wild one with just 25 seconds left in regulation. I know you have some stats. There are just so many ridiculous stats when it comes to the Bengals defense. So many of these plays... It's more like I have weird facts, so go for what you were going to say. Okay, so many of these plays seem to include Geno Stone, not to pick on just one guy, but it's just like they're at a point where they have multiple problems and they just have no one to put in for them.

48:30But yeah, some of my stats were they're their first team to allow 500 yards, 38 points, and create no takeaways in a two-game span ever. That's just Super Bowl, since the merger, Super Bowl ever. They're also the first team since the 66 Giants to score 38 points or more in back-to-back games and not win any of them. And then if you go through, and this is from Jake Liskau, who does Locked on Bengals, some of the worst EPA per play numbers of the last 25 years is out of 800 different defenses. They're the second worst overall, worst in defensive success rate, worst in points per game and bottom two to four and basically any other stat.

49:16This is a historically bad defense. But the Bears, I give them credit for taking advantage because that's what you got to do against historically bad defense, especially when your defense is a little leaky late in the game.

49:25Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, the cracks are starting to show. So first and foremost, I want to hear from Chase Brown about that Bengals defense, letting down once again the offense, because we'll get to the weirdness of the rest of the game. But here is Chase Brown, a grumpy Chase Brown after the game.

49:38Patrick Claybon:We just got to play complimentary football. Like, we put the ball in the end zone and go up a point at the end, finish the f***ing game. Like, just end it. Like, that's it. Like, that's what we need to do. Just end the f***ing game. Like, make them get us the ball back, let us f***ing go to 22 victory, and let's end the game. That's how I feel.

49:58Jourdan Rodrigue:He's not wrong, actually, because they had the offense more than gave what it could and, like I said, came back from a double-digit deficit. it. And especially Joe Flacco playing on this shoulder injury and still slinging the ball down the field. He got a huge game out of T Higgins. He got banged up at the end of the game and left the game at the very end. But before that, he had two touchdowns, both completely insane, unreal, gravity defying rules of physics, unadhering to catches that just did not make any sense. And it happened twice. And so this is the whole this is the whole thing. They had everything set up to even continue to like if they had more time if they got the ball back even after the colston loveland touchdown who knows what could have happened this offense was scoring all day long for the bangles against the bears defense it really was whoever gets the ball last is going to win this game they scored too fast i thought that immediately which is crazy well

50:55Patrick Claybon:and i think in hindsight because we see you know a quarterback nearing his 40s playing in game where he's he's got an AC joint sprain we weren't sure Zach Taylor said it was 50 50 but Joe wants to play he said he couldn't lift his arm over his head during the week and we saw it on the Hail Mary where I think probably perhaps some pharmaceuticals had started to wear well Aditi

51:17Jourdan Rodrigue:said he got a shot right before the game and then maybe had to have one at halftime too yikes and so

51:22Patrick Claybon:like there was there was that working in the Bears favor also um T Higgins wasn't in the game for that hill mary i i would have assumed if t higgins was still uh able to play after what he did against the spares defense he probably comes down with whatever ball joe flacco is able to get down near or close to the end zone and maybe gets in where the bears got a few gifts uh in that not just uh from the bengals defense on the day who missed 15 tackles uh by the way they allowed 135 yards after missed tackles including uh 30 plus to colston loveland on on that on the play that that winds up being the game winner.

51:59Patrick Claybon:But there were so many circumstances where Cincinnati could have won this game. Yes. They had 400 Joe Flacco. I feel like the defense is ruining what is he's having the Superbowl playoff run right now. And they're not even winning games, 470 yards and four touchdowns. But the bears offense was better for most of the day. Mononga goes for one 76. Brown goes for another 37. Like everything was work. DJ more at a 17 yard touchdown run. Caleb was effective running the ball. Like they, They were dominant in terms of their offensive performance.

52:29Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, there was something strange about that. I'll get to in a minute. But basically, bottom line is we're going to have to start calling Kyle Manung guy, Kyle Manung dude, because he is a big time freaking football player. And it's tough for DeAndre Swift that he's out. Obviously, Ben Johnson really likes to have two running backs. And then Britton Brown comes in and runs for a couple explosives and a touchdown. And he's like the third reserve guy. So it's like this run game is really what actually is the above average borderline elite area right now of what this Bears offensive attack is going to be because it was really kind of strange.

53:02Jourdan Rodrigue:Otherwise, the passing game once again was start, stop, start, stop, really great, positive, big time throws being made, followed by a lot of sort of scrambling around and guys aren't open down the field to the Bengals credit on defense. But then some hesitation from Caleb Williams on whether to run or not made some awesome plays. But what really stood out is how Ben Johnson seemed to try to want to coach around that. Like Caleb Williams had two receptions, including a touchdown. He ran four trick plays, one called back for penalty. Trick plays accounted for 17 of the Bears points today. They were running all kinds of different types of things.

53:40Jourdan Rodrigue:And I wonder if it's if it's something where they're they're trying to jolt their rhythm out of themselves a little bit. They're trying to get out of their own heads and have some fun, perhaps. or maybe they just need to disrupt their own rhythm. I don't know, but whatever it was, the execution was good other than one that got called back from penalty. It seems like this is a team that really kind of thrives a little bit more when they're doing sort of fun things like that on the unscripted drives, which is really interesting to me because I don't think that's necessarily sustainable, but maybe it's what they do to try to just figure out how to work on stuff together a little bit better in the passing game, and it certainly worked today.

54:15Jourdan Rodrigue:Caleb Williams caught a pass for a first down from Tyson Bajan, the backup quarterback, for God's sakes. I mean, it just was like, what is happening here today?

54:23Patrick Claybon:They go two quarterback offense, and Caleb gets a touchdown on the Philly special where you wonder, like, the Bears are having success only when it's weird, like only when it's a trick play or when Caleb is spinning around six times and going on the run and going on these galloping runs where, you know, the Bears thrive in the absurd. They are an absurd organization, the Bengals right now. And this is if it was any other organization, I would think that this is the profile of a season that gets a coach fired. They are three and six and they just don't have answers on defense. They go into their by.

54:55They just keep losing these close games that could at least kept them alive. The Bears get to five and three and we will stay in the NFC. And talk about a team that's trying to stay alive in the playoff race, too. Yes, it's the go, go 49ers.

55:14I love the passages, but that's the pain of the impact. Again, with force, he goes 10, he goes 5, he goes 4, he goes 3, he goes 2, 1, 0. Fire! Let's get out!

55:36Touchdown! That's Nestor Rosario. And Cuey Buena, 1280 AM. Brian Robinson part of a great rushing attack against the Giants and yeah sure every team has a great rushing attack against the Giants but it was a get right game for this 49ers offense especially on the ground where they get 159 yards 34 to 24 Patrick what impressed you the most out

56:06Patrick Claybon:of what the 49ers did today well they got the ball back in the hands of Christian McCaffrey extensively after really doing not too much in terms of volume for cmc and a loss uh to the houston texans they got him the ball um 28 times on the ground for 106 yards and a touchdown he also ran more routes than anyone on the team and he had six catches for 67 yards and a score also uh 53 yards on the ground for brian robinson jr which also kind of mitigated the pass rush from the league's leading sack artist for a time from Brian Burns. But the 49ers defense also made plays that they didn't against C.J.

56:42Patrick Claybon:Stroud and the Texans, including a turnover opportunity at the end of the first half where Jackson Dart was holding on for the ball for way too long. Cleland Farrell took an outside rush like he's six yards into the end zone and Jackson Dart steps up as if there's nobody back there. Farrell probably could have swiped for the ball, but he was just so excited to get a sack opportunity. He hit him from behind. they would ultimately, the 49ers would get the ball back with a scoring opportunity. But then comes Brian Burns, where they could have just taken a 10-point lead into the half, but Kyle Shanahan had Mack Jones throwing.

57:14Patrick Claybon:Burns won, got a hand on the ball. The ball pops out, goes to Abdul Carter. Whether or not you want to call it a, whether it was a pass or a fumble, either way, the ball never hit the ground. But Graham Gonneau would miss the kick, so it ultimately wouldn't matter. and then the Giants would go on to finish the game 5 of 12 on third down. Jackson Dart was 3 of 8 of passes over 10 or more air yards contrasted with McCorkle Jones. Going 15 of 24, Greg, completing all but one of his passes over 10 or more air yards. The 49ers' offense looked like a fully operational squad today. It's not even like a story at this point.

57:53Every week when you find out Brock Purdy is not back, they're just like, okay, go win more bonus money. Mac Jones, baby! Oh, wait. Oh! Did that actually happen? Or are we like digitally creating? There's a weird thing going on. I have a couple more of just QB's names being sang this season. Here's this one.

58:12Jourdan Rodrigue:Matthew Stafford. And then we have Colleen with this one. Daniel Jones! So it's just something I flagged. We're singing names. I don't know what we're going to get out of Patrick at some point. We need more of this. I want it dropped liberally throughout the show. I want operatic things. I don't know. I wanted some. I needed that after like a Daniel Jones interception today. That would have been amazing. I'm impressed by this 49ers team. It is crazy, though, to see CMC get another 33 touches. It's just, I don't know.

58:43Patrick Claybon:It seemed like they were trying to give him a week of, okay, we're going up against an offense that can't really do too much. In Houston, maybe Christian, like it's going to be a little bit easier today. And then they lost. So it's like, all right, to hell with all that. It's you, buddy. He has the most scrimmage yards of anyone. Can you guess since when? Through nine weeks. Who had just like a monster yards from scrimmage season. Todd Gurley. Think about it. It's right in front of your face here. That's on my face. Yards from scrimmage. Since Christian McCaffrey in 2019.

59:16Jourdan Rodrigue:That's not fair. His monster Panther season. Although Dalvin Cook also had more yards at this point in the season. But it's like the most touches at this point through this part of the season of anyone in 49ers history. Unfortunately, they did have more injury problems. Mike L. Williams, their first-round pick, had an ACL injury. Just when you can't think it can get any worse for them up front, they lose their next best edge rusher, edge player, in Mike L. Williams, which is really disappointing. This team, they have to be buyers at the deadline. And it's hard because they really made it clear that they were just going to roll with a young and ascending group of guys they wanted to develop, and they were hoping to have Nick Bosa healthy to help bring that group along and all of this.

1:00:02Jourdan Rodrigue:And Mikel Williams has played well. He's grown up very quickly and has had to, and they've been able to move him around a lot too. So that's not only the part of it that's tough, that he's hurt, but also that it's multiple positions depending on the situation that he's playing for them. And that is tough because I feel like this team didn't want to necessarily push in on using resources because this was a little bit of a sprint rebuild, especially on the defensive side for them. But now they might have to because they're too good. They're winning too many games. They could actually make a push.

1:00:36Jourdan Rodrigue:So they need more guys on the defensive side. Yeah, it'll be a tricky one. I wouldn't be surprised about anything that they would do in the next couple of days. And ultimately, most teams on balance aren't going to do as much as you expect. we do have a couple Eagles trades to talk about by the way we're going to wrap up all the trading that's been happening transactions with Shook on the Monday night recap but let's listen to Brian Dable who look they've had a lot of injuries the defense especially the run defense is terrible it's not all on his quarterback his offense but they are two and seven for the third straight year under Brian Dable here is a interaction that I've only heard described from Jordan, and I can't wait to hear it for the first time.

1:01:21Patrick Claybon:Ryan, are those tears of emotion, or is that just... Who's? Tears. Is that what? I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you're saying. You walked in here, it looked like there were tears coming out of your eyes. No. Is that just allergies? No. No, it wasn't tears. What? There's zero redness in Brian Dable's eyes there at that point. Like, it could be a Visine commercial. Yeah.

1:01:48Jourdan Rodrigue:To me, that feels more like, shouldn't you be crying right now? Yeah, you got to be sure if someone was crying. I don't know. What a bizarre interaction. I'm going to give Dable the win here. I mean, his eyes are twinkling a little, but he did not look like a man who had just emoted much of anything other than... No, he's clearly dead inside. See thee. I mean, he's got a lot of emotions, but I don't think he was crying. On the Bryant-Dable scale? That's jovial. They just lost. Yeah. Weird. Who asked that question? Listen, I feel like if you... I always trust the beat reporters, okay? So if whoever asked that question, saw a man cry, then you saw a man cry, all right?

1:02:33Jourdan Rodrigue:Now that man can deny said tears. That's within his right. I'm always just like a feel your feelings girly, though. He did respond in a way that you would respond if you had been crying. Oh, wait, who? What? Oh, me? He literally asked who is crying. And then he was like, I didn't hear you. We'll break this down further later. That I didn't hear you is a classic. I need a second to think about how I want to respond to this.

1:02:55Patrick Claybon:I think he was so shocked by the absurdity of the sequence that he was legit.

1:03:01Jourdan Rodrigue:Was I crying and I just blacked out? This team is dead. It's unfortunate. it. We're back to like Wondell Robinson getting 11 targets for 46 yards or back to Jackson darts, like the leading rusher. Even the defensive line isn't doing anything because Mac Jones has, you know, he's getting rid of the ball so quickly. This is how bad it's gotten. My dear friend, Charlotte Carroll, who covers the Giants, did not ask that question, covers the Giants for the athletic wayward camera man, like accidentally smacked her in the head with his camera outside of a scrum today. She's fine. Big ice pack. Got the selfie of the big ice pack on her head.

1:03:38Jourdan Rodrigue:That's how bad it's gotten in the Meadowlands. That's where we're at. They're taking out the reporters at this time. It's just too familiar. Unfortunately, losing, becoming familiar to the New Orleans Saints as well, although they haven't had a season quite like this in a long time. The Rams, uniquely, haven't had a season quite like this in a long time either. A fast start for the hometown team here right across the street. Tied in right into the boundary. Three receivers left from that group. Nakua in motion at the snap. Play action. Stafford on platform. Sets the laces and drives one down the right sideline.

1:04:14Caught by Nakua. Touchdown, L.A. He knocks over the pylon on a dazzling dart from Matthew Stafford. 39 yards, and L.A. is smashing the easy button. Three touchdowns on the board in the first half. Stafford strikes again. Welcome back, Puka Nakua. Ooh, smashing the easy button. JB Long with the good stuff on KSPN. Maybe I'll call it the year candidate. Rams roll 34 to 10. It was a great weekend for the Rams Dodgers lover in your life. Like my wife, Emika. Tell me, Jordan, what you found most interesting in a completely one-sided game that I guess we could have seen coming. We did. That's why it's our survivor.

1:05:06Good point. We did.

1:05:07Jourdan Rodrigue:Yes, we did. I spent the whole morning thinking we had picked the Packers as our survivor and that we had lost. Well, Greg, I could tell you what I found most interesting about this absolute tail whooping at the hands of the L.A. Rams. But why tell you when I could tell you in a poem? Oh, wow. A Matthew Stafford no-look dig. A touchdown pass to Big Rig Higgs. heavy personnel at a statistical high a field goal unit that inspires deep size a defense that is a pass rushing bazooka can we please at all costs protect Puka Nakua? and that's what happened today in the Rams game yes very good that's how you know it was a blowout Jordan had time to write a whole poem write a poem yeah Puka Nakua left the game with a chest injury after completing the most common play in the Sean McVay playbook.

1:06:08Fourth and one sweep. Fourth and one sweep to his rugged wide receiver, which it's hard to say, like, oh, why put him at risk in this game? It was fairly early in the game. I mean, it is what Pukenikua does is play contact football.

1:06:21Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, that's the we are going to convert this play all year for them. So I don't have any issue with the play call there. But yeah, I want to talk about the heavy personnel. The Rams were 13 personnel per next gen on 35 of 77 offensive plays. And they had a 51 % success rate for touchdowns out of this personnel grouping. All four of their tight ends at different points were activated, including the rookie Terrence Ferguson, who made some big plays. This is what exactly what they want to show that they can do. If they're just trying to close a game immediately out of the gate, which they knew they could do against this sort of woebegone Saints team.

1:06:59Jourdan Rodrigue:And they, they wanted to try to do this, take all the teeth out of any sort of defensive scheme that Sean McVay's former colleague, Brandon Staley might have been trying to cook up against them. Just none of that was even able, they was not feasible for the Saints out of the gate because they mashed them out of 13 personnel all game. It's like, this is a multiple team in the best way. Cause this is no, a November multiple team. It's not just the sort of style points team that we've seen in the past from the Rams. Like, this is a heavy run it up your you-know-what team right now. They're a great team.

1:07:33Try not to get beeped there, Jordan.

1:07:35Jourdan Rodrigue:I know. I was really, you know, I'm always so worried about that. We found out, yeah, it can't go in. You can say it, but it can't be going in. Yeah. Or else it's a beep. Yes, and in this case, it was going up. So, like, yeah.

1:07:48Patrick Claybon:So, that would get you beeped 100 % of the time. Yeah. where, you know, we can't even say the name of the ideal segment there because it would lead to a beef and want Eric to have to do any more excess work. But the start for Tyler Shuck looked good in spots where, you know, things got protected up and Shuck was able to find both Chris Olave and Rashid Shahid for some big completions, a nice, relatively nice Juwan Johnson game. But it was just there's a talent disparity, you know, the touch overmatched in multiple spots where this game was, was over early. And despite that, Matthew Stafford was taking steps for minutes to go for some reason.

1:08:28Patrick Claybon:I don't know why, but yeah, there was a while where the saints were getting a lot of pats on the back for, Oh, you know, if you watch them every week, they're like, they're actually looking pretty competitive and everything. And then now that's, that's gone. This is the least competitive. That was a Jordan.

1:08:40Jourdan Rodrigue:That was your Jordan impression. I feel like you could have given it more effort. Like I was, we've all said that a million times. I feel like every person that covers football is going to made that point this year. Unfortunately, it hasn't been true the last couple of weeks. Tyler Shuck did make a couple of good throws, but they could not do anything consistently. They made some really strange calls. They had Taysom Hill in shotgun on the fourth and goal. So basically saying to the entire world, hey, the quarterback's going to run it. And then they put him in the gun further away from the goal line than maybe he should be in that play.

1:09:09Jourdan Rodrigue:I do want to actually shout out because I've been talking about the Rams secondary, particularly on the perimeter as really one of the few weaknesses that this defense has had. And I'm really impressed with Emmanuel Forbes and how he's developed. And I remember last season when Emmanuel Forbes got to the Rams as a late season acquisition after a really bad experience with the commanders. And I was walking over to the locker room and Aubrey Pleasant, the DB's coach, came out of the cafeteria area. And I said, hey, what do you think about Emmanuel Forbes? And he stopped and he looked at me and he smiled and he goes, just watch.

1:09:40Jourdan Rodrigue:They were so confident in him finally putting all of this together and they need him to do it with a kella witherspoon out and darius williams banged up he had three pass deflections and interception in the fourth quarter but to me most impressive because he is a um like narrowly built man right and so his third down hit on tasem hill in space where you have to come down and crash like they always want their perimeter corners to do he had a great game so i just wanted to give him a little kudos because i've been pretty hard on that Rams secondary over the last several weeks. Yeah, the luxury. They didn't even play Roger McCreary at cornerback in this game.

1:10:14He did play on special teams who they just acquired via trade because they didn't need to. And they only had 40 total snaps on defense. So they'll be nice and fresh for next week. You said they're built for late in the season. That's what I was referring to at the beginning saying we haven't seen Rams seasons like this because they've so often been having to catch up after a slow start, but they're 6-2. That's their first NFC win of the year. And yeah, they prevent the Saints from running the ball at all. The Saints had a 7 % success rate while the Rams ran for 171 yards. You do not see that very often.

1:10:46Let's stick in Los Angeles and talk about the team on the road today. The Chargers trying to get another victory. Here he is. Herbert takes the toss. Rolls to his right, looking for McConkie. And Herbert into the end zone! He slides! Five quarterback touchdown, Chargers. Justin Herbert's first rushing touchdown of the season, the 13th of his career. And a little bit of history here, DJ. He is now tied Hall of Fame quarterback John Adel for the most such performances in Charger history, the 12th time he's thrown and rushed for one.

1:11:31Absolute style by Justin Herbert. He's out of the house. When he did that slide, I thought of you immediately, Jordan, just how he's been just throwing like a little extra. And we could have run that highlight a little extra and given Daniel Jeremiah some love. But no, Eric, just shut him down. We do have a 40s in free agents with DJ coming up later this week. Maybe we'll talk Chargers. They win 27 to 20 in a game that probably shouldn't have been as close. Herbert throws a pick six right off the bat. Chimary Dike, who has a chance, I think, to be the all pro returner this year. Great kick returner.

1:12:08And today he had a punt return touchdown. Gets 14 points on the board for the Titans, but the Chargers win anyways. And that slide touchdown for Herber, to me, just shows what this game was all about. It was a 99-yard drive after they stuffed the Titans over and over on the goal line. And that's not a defense that you think is going to be able to do that. But they were just tougher than the Titans. Stuff them a couple times. And on that 99-yard drive, Herber at one point decides to try to pick up a first down by taking on head first a defensive end and falling forward a solid four yards. He got the leverage on the defensive end of the Titans and picked up 12 or 13 yards.

1:12:55He had a hundred percent success rate running the ball today. Eight for eight, a hundred percent until his kneel down at the very end of the game. And as part of that 99 yard drive, also a third and four where he just completes an absolutely beautiful back shoulder throw down the field to Quinton Johnston. So to me, this was, Hey, Herbo, just, just go in like destroy mode. And that is how we will win a game where unfortunately the injury to Joe all to me, uh, just hangs over this team.

1:13:23Patrick Claybon:Yeah. Yeah, and so it's going to have to be more of Herbo playing destructo ball, getting out on the edge and having those run plays where, you know, you're glad to see Quentin Johnston get back in the end zone and actually get another catch because he got shut out last week and I believe the week before that as well. But the injuries are mounting on the offensive line, and they already have been coming into the season where, you know, they've already made the adjustments, and now you've got to make an adjustment with the adjustments. So he, Joe Alt, was carted off the field with an ankle injury, which is being reported as a high ankle sprain.

1:14:02But it sounds like this could be one that requires surgery, more serious. He already missed so much time. They also lost their starting right tackle today, Bobby Hart, earlier in the game. Herbert was under so much pressure even before Alt left. And I'm thinking, man, like even against the Titans? and it wasn't like him holding the ball. It was Draymond Jones and I forget who the other rusher was. It was just dominating with quick pressures. He had like seven in the first quarter and a half. And I'm thinking this is not sustainable, but also it was kind of fun to watch. It was kind of an incredible Herbert performance when you go back to watch this.

1:14:36Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I like it and I hate it for him, right? Because you know that this is not sustainable, especially toward the postseason. You know, he is not in his later years. He's just entering his prime, in my opinion. but you still want to avoid him having to take those hits. You still want to avoid putting him in these crazy stressful situations. This is a team that when it's has it all together and when Joe all, especially as such a huge difference maker on the field, when they're playing the type of football they want to play, it is legitimately gorgeous in like a fear inspiring way because of a, who the quarterback is and be the things they can do on the ground and in their blocking surface.

1:15:16Jourdan Rodrigue:And it just, it's, it seems unfair, honestly, because it's like they have you see that the the theory and the ideation and what they're capable of and it's not there it's not even their fault that this just keeps happening to them I I was saying for so long like every win they get before Joe out comes back is going to count double and now we're in a position where we don't know when he's going to be back so this was a pyrrhic victory they get to six and three it was important to pocket it and they did it on a day where like you know, Herbert's time to throw. He's holding on to the ball forever.

1:15:48He's taking a lot of sacks, but he's also throwing the ball down to the field and making awesome plays. And your guy, Trey Harris, he's got a little s*** to him. Big play where he runs over and carries three Titans defenders to pick up a big first down late. I also just have to ask Mike McCoy, their interim head coach, why are you doing so many direct snaps to your running backs? I think they went 0 for 5 on it today. Kim Ward is athletic. that Kim Ward is good. Your regular running game is good. Tajay Spears looked awesome today and Tony Pollard's over five yards per carry. And for whatever reason, in every big spot of this game, they did a direct snap to the running back.

1:16:25And I think it went 0 for 4 or 5. It was just, it was driving me crazy. Sorry, to the Titans. 1 and 8. Should we hear another Matt Money Smith call just for the hell of it? That Quinton Johnston catch is on the borderline to me of throw of the year. It's probably not there, but it was just so beautiful. I wanted it to be part of this show. Herbert, they rush four, standing tall. To the end zone, looking for Q. Caught, what a grab! Oh, Q! Touchdown, Chargers! 20 yards, Herbert to Johnston for Q. His sixth touchdown of the season for Herbert is 18th. Love that, man. Brilliant. It was a fun game.

1:17:08This was fun. This is the part of the show where I say goodbye to you guys. And then we welcome in Nick Sook. What are you going to do tonight, Jordan?

1:17:18Jourdan Rodrigue:Watch more football, Greg. Okay, yes, that's a good idea.

1:17:21Patrick Claybon:Watch some football. Also going to finalize the conversation. Oh. That starts on Wednesday. Oh. What a tease by a pro. We'll be back after the break to, yes, talk about the biggest upset on this Sunday.

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1:21:41Patrick Claybon:Fitzgerald hit the game winner against Dallas from 33. here at Lambeau from 49 for the win. Jansen the snap, Martin the hold, Fitzgerald drives the leg. The kick is up. It is good! Ryan Fitzgerald delivers, and Carolina silences Lambeau Field. Ooh, the Panthers. They looked at my prediction of 33-11 for this game, and they stuck it in my ear. That was a knee strough on WRFX. Maybe the two biggest upsets of the year, Shook, have both taken place at Lambeau Field. I should have checked this. Very similar scores. This one was 16 to 13 Panthers about a month and a half after the Browns stunned the Packers and yet knocked them out of the one seed in the NFC.

1:22:40How did this happen? well that Browns home was in Cleveland but that's neither here nor there the big part about this is the fact that the Packers wasted so many opportunities and the Panthers capitalized Enrico Dattle proved himself as the superior back in the Panthers backfield and he carried the ball 25 times for 130 yards and two touchdowns and he paced this offense and Bryce Young only had to complete 11 passes and their defense played phenomenally in the biggest spots and everybody's going to paint this as the Packers playing with their food and committing a number of unforgivable mistakes and football crimes, and that's all fine.

1:23:20But let's give the Panthers some credit because they battled their tails off. They got waxed last week by the Buffalo Bills. They had every reason in the world to get on the plane this week and lay down against the Packers. They did the exact opposite and come away victorious. I mean, and they did it, and I'm really going to be leaning on you here because I only saw very little of this game. But they did it in a day that, you know, Bryce Young ends up with like 100 yards and a total groaner of an interception. And it really shows a couple things, how their running game is, it travels. And it's, when it's rolling, one of the best in the league.

1:23:57And that the defensive improvement, even if it's not going to be every week, is real to the point where they could even have a game like this. How did the Packers only end up with 13 points in this game? Well, they fumbled away their first possession on a very impressive, promising and impressive drive. Then they settle for a field goal on their next two trips into Panthers territory. And essentially they wasted some opportunities to put touchdowns on the board because they couldn't convert. And you have to give credit to the Panthers defense for standing tall in those situations, but it's not like the Packers couldn't move the football.

1:24:28They just couldn't finish drives. And whether it was, you know, some mystifying play calling the turnover early or the fourth down in which it's fourth and eight and they're feeling a little desperate and nobody's open and the Panthers are playing fantastic coverage all the way through the scramble drill Jordan Love holds on the ball for 11 and a half seconds before he gets rid of it like this this is what happened like yeah the Panthers the Packers let the Panthers stay in the game early they did kind of play with their food in the first half and that's fine but when the second half arrived they realized oh this is we can't just flip a switch we can't do what we did against Pittsburgh this this competition that we're facing today is a little bit tougher.

1:25:04The Panthers brought the fight to the Packers. The Packers kind of took the field as if, all right, well, we're playing Carolina, we'll be fine, and they were not fine. Yeah, the success rate, dropping back to pass only 44%, which is not great for them. Jordan Love does not get a touchdown in this game, 26 for 37, 273 yards, and you mentioned that play, which was symbolic of the day. Let's listen to it, because it was a journey. Fourth down at eight. Here we go. with the Carolina 13. Love in the shotgun. Wilson to his left. Three receivers right. Musgrave, tight end left side of the line. Snap to Love.

1:25:40Love scrambles to his right. Looking to buy time. Still looking. Strambles back the other way. Love on the run. Still looking. Walks to the right side of the end zone and it's dropped in the end zone incomplete. I think we got to put that on worst throw of the year nominee. he throws it and I'm thinking like there's got to be someone there and then the camera pans and I'm like there's nobody there well he's pointing and I'd have to go watch the dots he he's pointing for the receiver to run at that angle there is a receiver at the back of the the end zone there I think he might out of bounds I think he might have gone out of bounds and so he knew he was done anyway so he's thinking the receiver is gonna maybe go try to win a jump ball there but uh it's absolutely rough.

1:26:28We're throwing, put it on the list there. I got, I got to give a shout out to the Panthers defense pursuing Jordan love on that play. Nick Scorton in particular, cause I watch him go left and I'm watching this live and I'm like, get after him, Scorton. You're there. You're this type of player. And then he changes direction and goes left. And I'm like, okay, Scorton's lost. Oh wait, there's Scorton again. 67.6 yards traveled on that play. Wow. Uh, that is absolutely nuts. And yeah, he only ends up with two pressures on the day, but they do get four from Tershawn Wharton right after I kind of called him out during the week as, as not having a great season as, as a free agent pickup.

1:27:04And on the other side, the Packers only get a couple of quick pressures in large part, I would assume because Bryce Young's getting rid of the ball quickly and they're just running the ball. Yep. Yep. And the Evan Toney, man, Rico Dattle has the difference between the running game with Chuba Hubbard versus Rico, Rico Dattle is night and day. Like I can't believe that it took Dave Canales this long to commit to Rico Dattel, who out-touched Hubbard, I think, was 27-5. That is your offense. That's what you should be. Dattel runs with such violence and burst. This should be your lead back. And he can pace the offense and keep them in games like he did today.

1:27:39Well, it's a bad job by me not mentioning until now that Tucker Kraft left this game with a potential torn ACL because that, moving forward, is the biggest deal. Like, yeah, it's not great for the Packers to take this second loss. Remember, they have the tie as well. but that's the guy when we're talking about, well, do the Packers really have like a guy who can, can change how you're going to play them. It Christian Watson offers something that other players on that team doesn't. And he had a 50 yard plus catch today, but craft is the guy. And, and, and there's also the issue that when craft is out of the mix, Jordan love, trust Christian Watts a little bit too much.

1:28:19He threw a pass and a triple coverage that got picked off today, trying to go deep to Christian Watson. Like they, they were in a game where they were trying to earn the shot play, create the big play, force the big play. And I worry that without craft in the mix, Watson's involvement, like love cannot rely on him heavily too much. If craft is not in the mix. So they're going to have to kind of recalibrate if they don't have craft available the rest of the year. Yeah, that is a absolute bummer, a killer. And they're still atop the division by half a game over Detroit, but they're letting Chicago back in.

1:28:52and they're letting Minnesota back in. And I do think that lowers the ceiling just a little bit. And I'm not, like, that shocked because, to quote Walker Rosenthal, my son, if Jordan was here, she'd be marking it down. I asked what he thought of the Packers' uniforms today, and he said, it looks like my poop. To Houston! From Walker. We go.

1:29:19Patrick Claybon:Denver, three for four in two-point conversions. as Nix is under center. Sutton wide left. Here comes Pat Bryant in motion from right to left. Now he goes back. Sutton pumps, throws a ball to the end zone. Catch. Two-point conversion is good. That's Troy Franklin with the catch. Kalen Bullock on the coverage. I said we've seen it before with this Broncos offense and Bo Nix at the helm. They've got a little bit of magic to them in the fourth quarter, and we've seen it early. We have seen it. That was Dave Logan on KOA. You know it's a weird game when we go with a two-point conversion to tie it at 15 as the highlight.

1:30:00But it was my choice. We're sick of these chip shot field goals to win it. We've heard it once. We've heard it a thousand times. And I think the two-point conversion tells the story here, Chuck, because they've hit so many of them this year, literally two-point conversions that mattered in getting wins. That's now a 5-1 score win for the Broncos. They've been in these tight games And even when Bo Nix is struggling, they just fine enough to win it at the end. 18 to 15. The Broncos get it done. Yeah, this is a game that was very indicative of the way the Broncos offense has operated for most of the season, save for their performance against the Cowboys last week in that they did not find a rhythm until it really mattered in the fourth quarter.

1:30:41And they were very much a quick strike offense. Like the fact that they were even in this game in halftime, because you go into halftime, they're trailing 12 to seven. And they've possessed the ball for like seven and a half minutes. That's how badly they were out possessed by Houston in the first half. So they didn't have opportunities, but they also didn't have opportunities because they weren't giving themselves any because they weren't sustaining drives. But when they did score, it was a quick pass to Cortland Sutton down the side. And it was actually a series of passes in which Nick shows off his arm and it ends up in the hands of Sutton.

1:31:09They score again in the second half pass to RJ Harvey on a wheel route out of the backfield. He burns Henry to auto and gets in the end zone for a touchdown. Like they didn't need to have the ball that long because they can do this. It's also that they were in a war of attrition in the fourth quarter. They forced like five straight punts from the Texans. And it looked like the Broncos were not going to come close to taking the lead in this game. Like we were headed for overtime until Knicks dialed up the fourth quarter magic, had a long scramble, had one more scramble, JK Dobbins with a long run.

1:31:38You hit the chip shot field goal. You win the game that you thought, I don't even know if there's ever going to be a resolution to this game. That is who the Broncos are. They don't win pretty, but they still win, and they always do it in the fourth quarter. That is outrageous. Six straight punts to end the game for the Texans in the end in a game where I'm counting it, and I think they had 15 drives. And it's just outrageous, and it's so disappointing because they started the game looking better. And I know they were long drives that end up with field goal attempts, taking seven and a half minutes off the clock and then another eight-play drive where they get the field goal.

1:32:13But they looked better when C.J. Stroud was in the game. But C.J. Stroud leaves, was tested for a concussion, did not come back. His mom did send out, you know, an Instagram post later said C.J. is good and he's smiling. So you hope it's not something that's like a long-term problem. But they're obviously not going to win many games with Davis Mills at quarterback. And it's just disappointing because this defense is playing its heart out week after week and they're 3-5. yeah yeah uh caitlin bullock made a nice interception deep you know playing essentially playing center field they did everything that they should defensively to keep the texans in the game and give them a chance to win but again i had horrors and and visions of week two the loss to tampa bay where you're on the goal line and you're trying to slam it into a brick wall and you can't get the end zone they did that again twice they did it two handoffs nick chubb one to british brooks then you get flagged for a false start uh ursory the rookie gets flagged for a false start you end up settling for a field goal you get back down there later davis mills is in a quarterback has one of the worst quarterback sneak attempts I've seen all season.

1:33:15Although I saw a worst one last week, uh, in a different game. And again, they settled for a field goal. They miss a field goal. Like it was just the Kami fairborn fairbairn's kicks that went in, barely went in today. They it's such a challenge with this offense. And it is so, it's just an injustice to this defense. Like you said, cause the defense is so good and they keep them in these games and they're just not going to be able to do enough to keep them in there without CJ. I mean, the best offense for the Broncos where it passes out of the backfield to Harvey who leads them in receiving at one point Bo Nix I wrote this down was seven for 19 for 81 yards but when it when it's money time he gets the scramble late he hits a third and 11 pass late like it just keeps happening this way despite the inefficiency six targets for Cortland Sutton he catches one ten targets for Troy Franklin he catches four and the Broncos don't really care because they just keep catching W's seven and two.

1:34:11And with the chiefs loss, you know, a couple games ahead of Kansas city. I know, I know the chargers are only one back, but I think they're loving that. They're two games up on the charges and I'm not crossing off the Texans at three and five, but they need CJ Stroud to get back healthy and they got to figure out how to get a yard when they absolutely need it. You know, who else doesn't get a yard when they need it? the Las Vegas Raiders, or to be more specific, at the end of this game, two yards. Here we go from the two-yard line, the two-point conversion attempt. Geno Smith drops. Looks, looks, looks.

1:34:44Pump fake fire. Knocked down! Knocked down! Knocked down! Knocked down! Come on, Hamilton. Knocked it down. It's still good. The Jaguars win it. The Jaguars win it. How good is that? That's what I'm talking about, Frank Frangie. You've got to have a game-winning play. Let's give us some energy. Let's have a voice crack. Good job by the spotter in that radio booth, unless it was Frank picking that up quickly, getting Devon Hamilton's name out really quickly, identifying, because, man, I swear, Devon Hamilton must be 320 pounds, but it felt like he was in the air forever. He's just a tall man, because his hands were up for like four seconds.

1:35:23I was like, Gino, do you see him? But it's not to be. The Jaguars win a crazy game, 30-29. It was 9-6 entering the fourth quarter, and the game ends in overtime, 30-29. Both Geno Smith and Trevor Lawrence, who have taken a lot of slings and arrows this year, had about six straight legacy drives where they ended in touchdowns. Unfortunately, Geno needed a two-pointer too to end it. Pete Carroll, thankfully, didn't want the tie. What do you even make of this game and the Jaguars escaping and now five and three on the season. What do I make of it? I think the Jaguars demonstrated that you can, in fact, get contributions from absolutely everybody and win a one point game on the road.

1:36:08A game that you did nothing in the first half, except Trevor threw a pick in the end zone to Isaiah Polamal. And yet Cam Little hits a 68 yard field goal, by the way, NFL new record longest field goal to give you three points going into half. A little bit of life, right? And then you come out at halftime and you go, I believe you go field goal, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, touchdown, the rest of the game. And they needed every single one of those scores to keep pace with the Raiders offense that suddenly found a way to move the football itself. When they go field goal, touchdown, touchdown, end of regulation, touchdown, 13 points scored in overtime.

1:36:45Most points ever scored in overtime. First time both teams have scored a touchdown in overtime with these new rules. This was a game that was sleepy and was suddenly wide awake and just rolling on energy drinks through the fourth quarter and overtime. And when it comes to the Jaguars, like they Travis Etienne really ran the ball. Well, facial toot and ran the ball, you know, aggressively, especially getting into the end zone in the second half. Parker Washington was there to make all these catches underneath, you know, just no matter where he was, his hands were great. He was very consistent. Brian Thomas Jr.

1:37:17Not a big factor in this game, but catches a huge pass in the fourth quarter to get the Jags in field goal range for Little to hit that field goal. Logan Cook, the punter, has to take a low snap and recover the low snap just in time for Cam Little to hit the game, tying field goal. Complete contributions from everybody. Offense, special teams, little bit of defense. They come away with a one-point victory. We're back to messy fun for this Jaguars team. Now, Brian Thomas Jr. and ankle injury, he did return. Did he finish the game? Do you know? he returned and made that catch but then after that there was basically no like real contributions from him so parker washington is their wide receiver one in this game look they did not have much of a pass rush on geno smith who throws four touchdowns uh and has 284 yards and whenever he needed to play late he got it and they almost all were to brock bowers what a difference brock bowers makes a healthy brock bowers 12 for 127 and three touchdowns and on that last touchdown that he had.

1:38:16Not the one in overtime, rather, the one at the end of regulation. And yeah, they scored with under two minutes to go to take the lead by three. Man, the juice that he has. I just don't know if I've seen a tight end run as fast on the field as Brock Bowers. He just is so smooth. It's great. I know there's been faster 40 times, like Vernon Davis or whoever, but like on the field, he is just different. Unfortunately, like that was their whole offense was him and Gentry, who was pretty good out of the backfield too. They don't have a running game. I mentioned the Raiders just could not get the ball in on the goal line early, and they end up settling for a field goal from the one-yard line or something.

1:38:59It's just, man, they make just enough mistakes, and then they just give you a little bit of hope. I thought Gino was going to pull one out here. Yeah, but it was still really nice to see them actually put points on the board with Brock Bowers back in the mix. Like that, that's how depressing this offense was without him. 95 total yards in that 31 to nothing loss to the chiefs. They go into the bi-week, they come out, Bowers is back. He finally looks healthy for the first time since week one. And suddenly they can score again. Now it took them to get to the second half to really be able to score it, but they still did.

1:39:28And it at least gives you like a bit of evidence that Gino's really not that bad. It's just that they don't really have any options and they can't run the ball. And now that you get Brock Bowers back in the mix, at least things get a little entertaining. I'm not going to say that Gino's back quite yet not a lot of pass rush for the Jaguars which I think is a concern Gino also had one groaner of an interception which he does basically every week so not much pass rush for the Jaguars and yeah if you look at the win probability chart for this game it was just awesome it was like a seismograph of a giant earthquake or just a horrible lie detector test once you got in like past halftime It was absolutely outrageous as they just answered touchdown for touchdown.

1:40:13And we should mention a little history was made. Let's listen to the call of, yeah, Cam Little setting the all-time record in a game they only won by one. The longest field goal ever now belongs to Cam Little. So here we go. A 68-yarder from the left hash out of the hold of Logan Cook. Look, Logan puts it down. Cam Little kicks it up. The 68-yard field goal is good! He drilled it from 68 yards on the last play of the half. How good is that? Cam Little from 68 yards. And we've reached the half. Hey, the season very much does not end today. Someone could pass Cam Little before the end. Cam Little could pass Cam Little before the end of the season because that thing was good from 73.

1:41:08You could put Trey Tucker back there. He's not returning anything. That thing's going through the uprights. But if the season did end today, the Jacksonville Jaguars would be in the playoffs at 5-3 over the Kansas City Chiefs. There's something to be happy about. It's a race to the playoffs for the Jaguars. Much like the space race, we also have a kicking race going on now. Don't think that this is going to be the last time somebody tries to break that record. The Raiders fall to 2-6. you can cross them out. And unfortunately, I think you can cross out the home team on Sunday night football, too.

1:41:40To Sunday night. Donald slows things down. Ball at the 40-yard line of Seattle. Play fake to Walker. Donald's going to roll. He's got his man. It's white. Breaks a tackle. Going down the far sidelines. He's a go. He is in for a touchdown. Seahawks, 60 yards. and the Seahawks 27-0 over Washington on Sunday Night Football. Holy catfish. It's one of our favorites, Steve Rabel on K-I-R-O. And, man, the Seahawks put it on the Commanders on Sunday Night Football, 38-14. That was part of a dizzying second quarter where the Seahawks went from 7-0 to 28-0 in the span of about five minutes. They had two touchdowns at one point, 11 seconds apart.

1:42:40And I've said it a lot on this program. I think the Seattle Seahawks are the best team in the NFC. We'll see if they make the Super Bowl. But they're one of the big contenders. 38-14, they win to get to 6-2. Unfortunately, Shook, the biggest story in this game is commander related, and it's Jaden Daniels suffering an elbow injury in the fourth quarter of that game. 38 to 7. It did not look good, to put it mildly. We're taping this immediately after the game, so we don't have official word, but we won't expect to see Jaden Daniels anytime soon. And I think it's absolutely fair to wonder why was he in 30 in the game down 38 to seven in the fourth quarter?

1:43:24It's especially fair to wonder that given all the injury issues that they're already dealing with, they are already very thin on both sides of the ball at multiple positions. They lost, you know, they don't have Terry McLaurin. They lost Luke McCaffrey tonight. You can keep going down the list. It's a long one. So that, that makes me think, yeah, why was he out there? but I can also see the side of it in which you're trying to, you know, get something going, put something good together because it was such a lopsided game. You'd like just a little bit of momentum taking it forward because, you know, we're still, this is halfway through the season, but I, I agree.

1:43:57I, and hindsight's 2020. So we can all be like, I was first guessing we were in there watching. And if you go in and look, I saw like Charles McDonald, a couple other people were questioning it. Even before that, I, we were talking about it in, in the theater here. Like why, why is he in that game to start to drive? And one of the reasons why is because he was not protecting himself. He was getting hit a lot. And it was one of my big takeaways from this game is his eye level came down in the second half of the game, maybe really throughout where if that first read wasn't there, he was looking around a little panicked and he was often getting out of the grasp of Seahawks defenders and then gaining like three yards and taking hits and going up the middle and just out of the grass.

1:44:42And he ends up running 10 times in this game for 51 yards. And that play, it's like a, it's a RPO, you know, near the goal line. That's not a play call that's protecting your guy. And I just hate that they're so careful with these players in training camp and then the preseason, and then you're down 38 to seven. I say it no matter who's the quarterback, much less Jaden Daniels who's had the injuries. And so I don't think I'm just guessing the result. It's just frustrating. I think that was the lowest, that was the worst moment of the season because they're a crossed-off team now because of it.

1:45:16And they're just, you know, you just hate it for the young man who's now had three different big injuries this season. And it's going to be a lot less fun watching this commander's team the rest of the year. It's going to be Mariota at quarterback. Yeah, you know, it's probably the worst four quarters any team's experienced all season. If you think about it, just the lopsided result, the way that they were dominated, you know, by the Seahawks on both sides of the ball, and then you lose your star quarterback. A guy who's already missed multiple games with multiple injuries. It really can't get much worse than that.

1:45:45You can see the look of despair on his teammates' faces, whether it's Zach Ertz, Adibo, Sammler, even Dan Quinn, just realizing, oh my God, this already bad situation in what was supposed to be such a promising, exciting season has just gotten infinitely worse because we've lost our best player, possibly for the season. Not good, not good. Okay, let's spin it back to the Seahawks because I do love watching this team play. This uniform matchup was 10 out of 10. Love the Seahawks uniforms. Love the Washington old school getup. So that was fantastic. And Sam freaking Darnold shows up. And I know the commander's defense isn't great, but he was 16 for 16 at one point with four touchdowns.

1:46:31I mean, that's just, it's one of the best first halves you can possibly have. And he's getting protected. And that's not to take anything away from him. Charles Cross is playing great. Abe Lucas is playing great. There's some plays where he just sees the matchup and he gets the ball out so fast. The Jackson Smith and Jigba, who had eight catches for 129 yards, almost all of them in the first half. And Torrey Horton has a couple of great moves, ends up with a couple touchdowns. Kenneth Walker gets it going. and just this team to me is the best so far. I'm not saying they're the most likely to win the Superbowl, but they're the best team I've seen so far this season, because I think they can be so explosive on either side of the ball, best defense in the league, I think top to bottom and the explosion in terms of the passing game tonight was there to behold.

1:47:23Yeah. And we've watched Sam Darnold, you know, find success and thrive in this offense all season. And we've talked about how it, He fits the style of what, you know, Clint Cuvia wants to do with this offense, which is why it's such a perfect marriage. And how he's, you know, helping Jackson Smith and Jigba get off to the hottest start, I believe, that you said you could ever remember for a receiver in the first half of the season. Yeah, which is probably like getting ahead of myself. There were some crazy Calvin Johnson. Every week, he's 100-plus yards. I know, but then you think about it, and like Calvin Johnson once had a half season, like Antonio Brown's had his runs.

1:47:53But either way, he is clearly the best receiver in the league this year, And, and it's, it's just incredible. Yeah. But you know what the cool thing about this team is, is how their defense has kind of evolved as we've gone week by week. They went from a team that was okay. You can see the potential there. And you obviously have the defensive mind of Mike McDonald, but there were some, you know, missing parts where Rick Wollin wasn't playing well and they were going to replace him with Josh Jobe and, and, you know, things that needed to be adjusted or whatever. Now they've become this like aggressive blitzing defense and they can come at you from a number of different ways.

1:48:23is they had a pressure rate that was north of 55 % tonight on Jaden Daniels. And it was because, not just because they're good at getting after the passer, but the way that they scheme up these blitzes to where he might try to adjust the protection or something. And next thing you know, you've got a guy swooping around on a stunt or a linebacker or a DB coming through an open lane, free rusher, and you had no idea he was going to be coming from that direction. That's what really makes them so impressive because they have the personnel. They have the defensive mind to scheme them upright. and the offense is working so well.

1:48:54My only question, Greg, can they, because they love to build out of, you know, under center, a little bit of play action, stuff like that. Can they run the ball consistently enough for it to travel, getting way ahead of myself in the postseason? Because they're going to get there. Yeah, it hasn't been great. But can they do that part well? It hasn't been great. Even tonight, it wasn't perfect. I think that's fair to point out. But when you have seven different players with at least three pressures, I mean, that is incredible. And Nick Aminwari has just turned into this just great chess piece that they're using.

1:49:25And it was terrific to see Devin Witherspoon out there making some big run stops. So this is a wagon. I've been surprised to see that like Boye Mafé and Rick Willen might be available on the trade market. Really? Why? Why? I know they might not be part of the long term future, but unless you're trading player for player, we'll see. The Seahawks, this is a year to push because they've got some older players on their defense. Take advantage while you can. Again, Washington is a good reminder that you never know what's going to happen next season. And I think we can cross them off three and six. All right.

1:49:58Let's talk about tomorrow night just quickly. Me and you, little Cardinals, little Cowboys. We're going to be live on YouTube. We want all the NFL Daily listeners who are with us to the end of the recap show. Come join us in the chat because we're going to talk about that game. But we're also going to talk about the trade deadline. deals will start to happen on Monday. So I think we'll have a lot to already talk about and we'll talk about maybe what's going to be ahead. We're going to have a special trade deadline show on Tuesday. We'll talk a little bit about Chris Greer. The Dolphins fired their general manager since we last taped.

1:50:35I think that's a bigger deal than people even realize. A total sea change from the last two decades. I regretted that. I forgot to mention, by the way, Travis Hunter went to injured reserve. That was a big problem for the Jaguars. Will they make a move perhaps at wide receiver? Jalen Waddle could now be available because they got rid of the GM in Miami. And you saw with the national reports today, some interesting names are out there, including the BTJ stuff just just keeps happening. Jair Alexander already went to Philadelphia, by the way. We've had some interesting moves. And yeah, we'll talk about it then.

1:51:07Looking forward to seeing you, Chucky. Go go watch some more games. OK, yeah, we got we got tape to grind and we got news to get through tomorrow. It's going to be a wild one. OK, let's let's go. for Jordan Rodrigue. I mean, who knew? Who knew she was going to be the poet laureate of NFL Daily? Great job there. I knew. Yeah, I guess if I was going to pick someone, it would be her. She did a great job with that. Patrick was awesome. As always, yeah, the injuries stink, but man, we had a fun Sunday. We will see you on Monday night.

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