2025 Week 13 Thanksgiving & Black Friday Games Preview: GB-DET, KC-DAL, CIN-BAL & CHI-PHI

14:19Steve Wyche:I absolutely loved it. And if you're watching on YouTube, you can check it out. And look, it's on everyone else, by the way, that works for NFL Network. Why was only one person taking the freaking Atlanta Falcons over the New Orleans Saints? Give me a break. Got you, Atlanta. Okay. On to the big game. Chiefs. Cowboys. loving that it's coming at this particular point in the season. Chiefs favored by three and a half points in Dallas. We have the CBS crew with Nance and Romo. You say, wow, because you think that's a lot for the Chiefs to be favored by or a little. And I, and I say, Steve, that I love that it's at this point in the season because the Cowboys, I think right now have done the thing that the Cowboys always do, which is they got their fans hopes up.

15:08Steve Wyche:There is a path here where you can see that they're a pretty complete team. The Chiefs are coming off maybe their most important win of the entire season. What made you say, wow? Because it's in Dallas. Because it's the home game, the three, the Chiefs being the favorite there. And this game is going to be so good because both of these teams, a loss for either one of these teams, it's not it. But especially for Dallas, that's kind of it because that's where the tie will work against them. That'll count more so as a loss than it will as a win. But I just think this is one where the Cowboys, as well as they're playing defensively, don't have an answer for Mahomes with his feet.

15:47I know Overshown could cover a lot of ground, but this is where Patrick Mahomes, he comes to the line of scrimmage, get Overshown to come, dump it in over his head, body. And I think Rasheed Rice going back home is going to do his thing. But, man, Dallas, they're playing so well on both sides of the ball. you know who knew that not skinny quinn and williams individually was going to work oh i love it but the fact that he tandems with kenny clark they are destroying offensive lines together

16:18Jourdan Rodrigue:i see you jordan yes i was the the lone voice here who actually really really admired what the cowboys did and in that trade uh bringing in quinn and williams and and making sure that they're setting themselves up not just to try to get better through the course of this season but for 2026 to actually be a complete unit when the season starts and they're playing so much better they they have improved I'm not willing to put my faith in this defense all the way yet no but they are playing much improved and the second thing that I absolutely love one of my most favorite things that I've learned um being on this show is I love having my priors confirmed by my priors about Brian Schottenheimer oh yeah when he shot he was gonna be fine yeah and and And this offense and how much fun it is and how like the thing that is great about this offense to me isn't just that they're productive and explosive.

17:08Jourdan Rodrigue:Right. And that Dak's playing great. The run game is good. They're a matchup offense. They can hurt you and morph around your vulnerabilities. They just did it to the Eagles. We were talking last week about them needing to break tendency and run some really efficient play action and really pick their spots for Dak's play action. And he had 174 yards off of play action passes, almost half of his passing yards last week, even though they don't like to run it a ton with him. And they still stayed true to their rate of usage while maximizing the spots that they picked to particularly attack where the Eagles had shown some vulnerability.

17:44Jourdan Rodrigue:They are a matchup team the way that you want a matchup team to be formed when it makes a playoff run. But they're doing it right now because they really have nothing to lose. They've got no choice. Yeah, and it's so much fun to watch. I think that Dak Prescott will out-duel Patrick Mahomes in this game. I just think CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, has been playing so well, and CeeDee Lamb's going to want some of those plays back from last week. It's at home, and like you mentioned, they're underdogs, so this would be a home upset for them. I'll duel him in yards or impact plays, the timing of the impact plays?

18:20The timing of the impact plays. But you know what? CeeDee Lamb's got to hold on to the ball. I'll go both. All right. And this is also Patrick Mahomes' first time starting at AT &T Stadium, which is kind of an interesting thing. Not even in high school? I don't think so. When he's winning those championships down there? That's hard to believe, right? Someone should tell him about the sun flare. Or maybe it is the first time he's starting there in the NFL after having started there before, because it wouldn't make sense that he was never there in high school. See, this is where you talk about Dak in the matchups and things like this.

18:50Other than Sean Payton, which coach loves the screen game more than anyone? Andy Reid. I think he's going to screen the Cowboys to death. I think this is going to be one of these games where Kareem Hunt, be it the tight end, be it Rasheed Rice, be it Worthy, they're going to screen. They're going to do these 10-play drives, you know, type of things that we see them do from time to time. And they're just going to get them early on, horizontal, horizontal. Let's fatigue them and then pop.

19:16Steve Wyche:And they did that so well last week. They had a patient game plan, and they ran from under center way more than they have for the rest of the season. And they were effective in like moving the ball very slowly. They were back to that Chiefs offense that we've kind of gotten sick of watching the last few years. But it's crazy. The reason I think they're favored is because like the numbers love Kansas City this year in a way that they did not like them at all last year. Like, for instance, they are one of the best three teams in a stat, which seems like it should matter, yards per drive of the last five years.

19:50Steve Wyche:The other two teams on that list are other Chiefs teams like and they are moving the ball. Well, it just it's just taking a while. So it's a great time for this to happen because it's such a good test because the Cowboys are really playing well against the run in general. I know it's only a two week sample, but ninth in EPA per play overall over the last two weeks. And we're playing better against the run really all season. That's just sort of what their personnel looks like. And Quinnen Williams is coming off the most pressures he's ever had in an NFL game. like period was last week. And he has the most of any defensive tackle since he added.

20:23Steve Wyche:So you think it's all Quinton Williams and that's been huge, but adding over shown, adding Malik hooker, who was also hurt. Adding Donovan Wilson, who's another starter who was also hurt. Bland was out for a while at cornerback and is now healthy again. So it's not just one guy. And it's a really good test of like how patient they want to be with the running game, Kansas city and how they look without Trey Smith, which is a big loss. They're going to be without real quick. When you were talking about how the Chiefs go these long drives, I could see the idea bubble over Jordan 10th, like, cover to shell.

20:56Loud coverage.

20:57Steve Wyche:The problem is that's what Patrick Mahomes, I know, is so good at. Yeah. This is so annoying.

21:04Jourdan Rodrigue:Steve reads me. Like, oh, my God. No one's going to let him get beat deep. I also love what you said, Steve, about the screen game because you're probably not going to have a lot of success. The Chiefs haven't had a lot of success running the ball, especially between the tackles anyway this year. And so, and you're going to have a hard time, I think, against the way that this mid-season rebuild of the defensive line has gone for the Cowboys. So I like what you said about the screen game because a lot of teams, and Andy Reid also does this, thinks about it as an extension of their mid to wide zone.

21:34Jourdan Rodrigue:And so if you know you're not going to get much movement in the middle of the field, then you split out to the sides. And you just consider that as a part of your run game. You're using more players in it as well. And that, I think, is what's helping them, I think, reassess the space that they're attacking when they can't get much right in front of them. By the way, I have the answer here. Patrick Mahomes, he played his final collegiate game at 18. Oh, and threw for 586 yards and six touchdowns. Thank you, Drew Christensen, for the assist. Wow. Who Texas Tech beat? Former Baylor researcher.

22:10Steve Wyche:Wow.

22:11Jourdan Rodrigue:That was fast.

22:13Steve Wyche:Good job. Big one. I I'm curious to how Spagnuolo and Chris Jones in particular play in this game because last week it felt like the chiefs that we've known before. Yeah, it really did in that Spagnuolo had so many different pressures in the second half of that game that they, it was gotta have it down. And he completely won the matchup after he figured out what Shane Steichen was doing. Like he had a great game. And then Chris Jones got them off the field like three times, like three different times on third down. He was the guy. And so it's just that creeping feeling. If you've watched the NFL over the last seven years, better late than never.

22:54Steve Wyche:Oh, is this, is this happening again? But it's a really tough matchup against this, this Cowboys often. It can't say he loses, man. I don't want to do where the chief's done is the dynasty over. I will. I'm not going to say what I would. They could survive like one more. I would like producers are like, damn, that was going to be on the rundown. too. I'm rooting. I'm rooting for the Cowboys. So I'm just going to take the Cowboys just because I want I want that feeling of rooting for something that you almost know for sure is not going to happen. That's actually part of sports. That's how I felt watching the Colts last year.

23:26Steve Wyche:I just want to build them up to let them down. I just I just I like I almost know for sure they're going to lose because that's just what happens. Like the Chiefs will win this game. And I just want to be disappointed. I don't know. I don't think You're right. I think that the Cowboys will win. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm picking the Cowboys. I'm picking the Cowboys.

23:45Jourdan Rodrigue:I've been on the Cowboys all year, so I've got to pick.

23:48Steve Wyche:Whoa.

23:49Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah.

23:49Steve Wyche:I love that. Yeah, maybe Cowboys mix it up a little bit. Mahomes' numbers against man coverage have been terrible this year. Mix it up, Cowboys. Mix it up, Eber.

23:59Jourdan Rodrigue:We also have some NFL Daily listeners.

24:02Steve Wyche:They've got some guys who can play man. A lot of the NFL Dalians out there listening to this show. We got a couple more big games for the Thanksgiving and Black Friday set up. We'll hit them after the break. We'll also hit that soup draft. Oh, yeah. A little late for homework, but be ready.

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28:08Steve Wyche:Back on NFL Daily. tension in the room with the soup draft coming up. No, I'm kidding. There's no tension. The vibes are great. It's a pre-holiday vibe. It is. And I'm bathing in it before the best holiday of the year. But men don't take baths either. Eric is talking about men don't take baths either. Poor Eric. Poor Eric. Eric's really given us a take today. Okay, I will admit. I'm Steve Eric. Don't you worry. I got you. I misattributed the manosphere take that Eric didn't believe that men have soup. He just has his own completely horrible take that soup is unnecessary, but it's not about the men.

28:44It's not. It never is. We'll get to that in the end. First, we're going to get to a game that is a little spicier

28:53Steve Wyche:than we expected maybe a few weeks ago. Although, if you had said before the season that the Bengals would be all but eliminated from playoff contention before this game, I would not have believed it. So it's better, but it's not great. We also will not have Trey Hendrickson in this game. We will not have Tee Higgins in this game. Zach Taylor of the Bengals did confirm that, but he does expect Joe Burrow to play. The Bengals are going to Baltimore on Thursday night. The Ravens are favored by seven in this game. Now, Chris Collinsworth takes off Thanksgiving, and I support that, spending the time with the family.

29:31Steve Wyche:But I'm less excited about Jason Garrett being on the call for this game with Dorico.

29:36Jourdan Rodrigue:Don't they get a lot of family time together anyway on the broadcast?

29:40Steve Wyche:How do you mean?

29:41Jourdan Rodrigue:Chris and Jack Collinsworth.

29:42Steve Wyche:Oh, there you go. Is Jack working the game? I don't know. I don't think he has the cred to take that game off. I'm surprised that the Ravens are favored maybe by this much just because of how they have looked. How concerned, Jordan, are you with how the Ravens have played offensively in particular over the last month?

30:01Jourdan Rodrigue:Very concerned when you also factor in the equation that Lamar Jackson is showing up on the practice report or the injury report in practice this week again with something completely different. This is a foot or a toe, right? This is a toe now, and he's been banged up all year. I don't trust the Bengals still defensively at all, but they are coming off their best defensive performance by far, leaps and bounds. This season, this was kind of crazy looking this up because I knew that the Ravens, and you see it with your eyes every week watching how they've struggled to put any sort of consistency or like total true dominance together, drive over drive on offense.

30:38Jourdan Rodrigue:They're 19th in EPA per play on offense. And they should be primed for a bounce-back game, I guess, against historically this season, what we've seen against the Bengals defense that minus last week has allowed a successful play on over half of teams' plays. Stay ahead of the sticks, baby. We're playing the Bengals. But this Ravens team, I don't quite know what to make of them identity-wise other than they look like they're limping everywhere. and that's by the way we talk about lamar first it was a knee then ankle and toe judy batista put the head shoulder no no very good post by judy on that i'm with you on the ravens just like man lamar just doesn't look right because when he's healthy the game looks too easy to him yeah right like he's just out there playing with everybody like he's grinding through whatever he's grinding through i know we're talking about joe burrow being back why are we not talking about jamar Chase coming back.

31:36I like the Bengals in this game. Their defense is going to be as terrible as it wants. Those two? You'd like them to win. I'd like them to win. I'm going upset here. That would be a good story. Because, look, the Ravens, they haven't been great at home. They have not been consistently great. And I just think Joe Scheiste, he's coming back. He's not going to be limping. He's going to be smoking. Right? He's going to be going. What's he going to be smoking? We'll find out. we will find out those Ravens linebackers I think they'll pick on them a little bit I think they're gonna be able to run a little bit on the Ravens D I I like Joe I like Joe I like tight ends I do feel like this is a game where it's the nightcap on Thanksgiving everyone sort of already thinks that the the Bengals are sort of done and they're they're washed they're played at this point like they have a tiny little chance to get back in things and it's like everything has to go the right way but that's the kind of thing that happens on these like island games and primetime games especially thanksgiving when all of like your family is there and i can't even imagine what that would cause if the bengals upset the ravens at home thanksgiving night what would

32:48Steve Wyche:happen in baltimore we don't want to know i don't that's a scary crowd there they have had come on the best. I just mean, I set you up for that, Greg.

32:57Jourdan Rodrigue:It's a great, it's a great environment. The environment, it's all with the great environment,

33:02Steve Wyche:you know, outfits and everything. It is, it is incredible.

33:05Jourdan Rodrigue:This is just us trying to have Eric's back here.

33:09Steve Wyche:There we go. I,

33:10Jourdan Rodrigue:their game prez, honestly, though, let me just say, it's the best in the entire. It's awesome. I love it. I mean, it's so fun. They lean into everything and there's so much to look at before. Like, they do an incredible job. If you ever get a chance to go to a Ravens game, go. It's awesome.

33:27Steve Wyche:And I think this is the best rivalry in terms of quarterbacks that I've seen of two guys in the same division. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are in different divisions, but they do play like once or twice a year usually. And, you know, Patrick or rather Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, like that was incredible at the time. But if you go look at the performances that these two dudes have had when they've gone up against each other, it is incredible, especially last season. It was next level. And yeah, I hope Joe Burrow can deliver. He's coming off of an injury. He's always really struggled in September.

33:58Steve Wyche:He's very often struggling to come off an injury in September and not played pretty well. And this is almost a similar type of spot because he's coming out. So I hope he's not rusty, for lack of a better word. And Lamar absolutely is. He has 75 yards rushing in the last four weeks. The first play of last week's game was an RPO where he kept it. And the Jets just like, we're like, go, man. And you see the yellow line, which is imaginary. and Lamar's just like creeping up to it. Like you see it on the broadcast. I know. That's not in real life. It's actually just like a graphic. Oh my God. And it looked like it was a force field.

34:34Steve Wyche:Before I saw what an M &T Bank Stadium. There's like, there's 10 yards of green grass in front of him and it looked like a force field that he's tiptoeing and he's hesitant and then eventually he finally goes and then he gets hit pretty hard because he was so hesitant. And I was like, that is not the Lamar that I love. And I think part of it is, too, that the passing game is not having any flow. Isaiah likely has 120 yards this season. Tylan Wallace and DeAndre Hopkins are out there for a lot of the game. Tez Walker, like, it's just uneven. And so we'll see if the Bengals, who have looked a little better on defense, I don't know.

35:08Jourdan Rodrigue:Here's the thing. This Bengals team, I know everybody's excited about Joe Burrow coming back. And first of all, everyone, please keep their saliva in their mouths with Jamar Chase coming back. I will say like this just is ripe to me for the exact scenario that Joe Burrow himself would have been facing all season anyway, if he had been healthy with, which is maybe they get close enough offensively to stay in a game like this, but the defense will let them down in the end. This has been last week was the, the exception, not the rule of this Bengals team. And I just think we're going to see a pissed off Joe Burrow back in the sort of the, the health cycle partially of his own creation here.

35:50Steve Wyche:And ultimately they gave up a ton to the Patriots when they needed to get stops in that game. I don't know. I mean, I mean, every couple of plays. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's what the Bengals do. Their defense is terrible. I just think this is one where the Ravens have been so inconsistent. There will be a couple of punts by them. You know, and if the Bengals have more possessions than them, I'm taking Joey Burrow and Jamar chase. And I'll say this, you know, a lot of people are like, why is Joe Burrow even coming back? Because, you know, the team's not good. They're not going to go to the playoffs.

36:17This is what players do. Players would rather be fined than miss a game. They only get 17 of them a year. And to see Joe Burrow work as hard as he did to come back from a team that's already stuck. We may say, well, he's getting paid a lot of money. That's what he's supposed to do. This goes to show you how game he is. And I want people to understand, this is how football players are. That is how they are wired.

36:42Jourdan Rodrigue:I guarantee you he's not thinking about the game check. He's thinking about getting that sick feeling out of his stomach finally. Yeah. And it's going to be like Thanksgiving night with him back on the field, returning from this injury that seemed like it was, he wasn't going to play at all at first when he first got hurt. And then it's like, oh, he might be back in time for the playoffs. It's just this whole season for the Bengals has been so, I want to say it's a roller coaster, but there haven't been a lot of ups. It's just mostly downs, but coming back on Thanksgiving night with Chase there, with T Higgins there, there's just something about it.

37:14Steve Wyche:It is feeling kind of like their Super Bowl. He had a quote, and he kind of announced his return. I'm not going to live my life and play this game scared of what might happen. And one thing that has changed for this team, they were one of the worst rushing teams of all time. We were talking about it in September. They've been awesome running the ball week after week. Chase Brown has been playing well. So the offense, Joe Flacco slowed down a little bit, but I think overall there's the pieces there for them to play well. Kyle Hamilton, by the way, was back at practice, as was Lamar Jackson, on the estimated report on Tuesday.

37:49Steve Wyche:So they're going to be playing. And, yeah, it's up to Lamar to prove that he can do it even when he's protected. There was no pass rush on him last week, and they still struggle. Let's pick that. Are you the only one taking the Bengals? I'm going to the Bengals.

38:03Jourdan Rodrigue:Ravens.

38:04Steve Wyche:I don't know why we're picking games on this show.

38:06Jourdan Rodrigue:I'll take the Bengals.

38:07Steve Wyche:Yeah. Do it. Your picks have to be consistent, though. That means you have to do it across every NFL property. Sorry, we don't normally do that. Let's wrap up this preview show with our Black Friday game. Wow, this is a great one. Bears going to Eagles. Love this for the Bears as a real test of where they're at. A step up in class. They had a medium step up last week with the Steelers, and they ultimately passed it. And now this is another one. The Eagles are favored by seven. We got it on Amazon Prime. That's a big number, man. And then we got it on NFL Daily right afterwards. We're going to be doing a recap show of all four games.

38:50Steve Wyche:Looking forward to that one. How are you feeling about your Eagles, Colleen, as a heavy favorite with everything going on against a team that's only lost three games this year? I know. It feels like they've lost a lot more just based on all of the talk around the team. but they are so inconsistent and it's on both sides of the ball. And the, the collapse against the Cowboys, that that's a huge hit for them. And now you have a short week. Yes. They'll be home. And they had so many injuries in the secondary. They lost three DBS in that game. So that played a huge role. Broken ankle, not coming back.

39:29Reed Blankenship. He was hurt. I mean, this was, this was not a good performance. And this is a team that relies on their defense when their offense is not giving what it should give based on the playmakers that are on that team. And still, we saw so many penalties that night. So like 14 penalties. It just was that's coaching to me. This is they're undisciplined, but then there's no imagination to the play calling whatsoever. The offense is not good. It's so stagnant. You come out in the first half and it looks like you are just going to steamroll the Cowboys. And then how does that happen in the second half?

40:11Like there's no adjustments at any point. I don't know.

40:14Jourdan Rodrigue:It's crazy that Philadelphia goes three and out at the highest rate in the NFL, which I did not know that.

40:22Steve Wyche:They've gotten at the highest rate since any team in the NFL since 2014. This was from Dennis Thelman on all. Yeah, that's crazy. The 2014 Raiders, by the way, if anyone can name any part of that team. Well, the Colts are trying to catch up in the second half.

40:38Jourdan Rodrigue:I love what you said about that, Colleen, about just how many playmakers they have relative to the production level that we would expect from this versus what they're not getting. They're in the bottom third of the NFL in both rushing and passing success rate. And we know that this team is predicated on how it runs the ball. but it seemed like they got so dependent on having an outlier or at least above average run game and it is not like I said lower third of the NFL in rushing success rate so you when you don't have that normally they could hide their passing game a couple weeks in a row behind some complaints obviously and all of that but like they could also hide that behind a below or in a very above average run game that lifted the entire floor of the operation and also converted these these downs that they're not getting right now and extending these drives and all of that and i think that when you see that you see how um much substance they should have but how hollow they actually are and that is that's really tough i i want to cite so you know that's a that's a great analogy though thank you i want to say so like eagles columnist the retired les bowen love love legendary and he's great on twitter yes and that's exactly i'm so glad you you mentioned that because like legendary guy and he's still part of the conversation he weighs in a lot and he obviously knows all of the the coach speak and everything and he translated translates it about as well as any columnist has ever done i think in on any beat in any market and he said this and i thought it was telling when Nick Sariani, he said it on Blue Sky.

42:18Jourdan Rodrigue:He said, when Nick Sariani says it's never just one thing or one person's fault, as was the tone Nick Sariani took after the Dallas loss. What I, what Les hears is we can't fix this. When it's never any one person's fault, what he hears is we can't fix this. And I'm like, that's, that's stark. That means there's too many holes to patch in his mind.

42:41Steve Wyche:I think the offensive line not being a difference maker, just to your point, sort of makes the rest of it look hollow. You have a good left tackle in my lot of, but there's questions now everywhere else since Lane Johnson isn't there. It's banged out. Their interiors banged out week to week. The thing is, they do do some things well. Like I was thinking about this. They they've turned into Jalen Hurts as a like as an offense. They've turned into Jalen Hurts because they are monsters in the red zone. And one of the reasons why, like, I was trying to figure out, like, how are some of these numbers so stark?

43:15Steve Wyche:The worst three and out rate since the 2014 Raiders with our friend MJD collecting his last NFL paycheck behind Darren McFadden.

43:24Jourdan Rodrigue:I didn't know how relative to history bad.

43:27Steve Wyche:It's crazy. Tony Sperano, rest in peace, coaching that Raiders team. And I'm like, how are they even as good as they are? And it's because every time they get in the red zone, they score because he is one of the best red zone quarterbacks that we've ever seen. in large part because of his legs, but he's made good decisions too. And they just don't turn the ball over. No. And that is Jalen Hurts in a nutshell, is that he is a little too tentative, just not ripping it into those zone coverages, but he does not make mistakes. And so it's just this, you just don't know what to do, but you know it should be better when you're paying all these guys and there's this much talent.

44:03Here's what I'll say offensively. To me, it may not be completely fixable, but you've got a mobile quarterback and a tough guy, right? Jalen Hurts is a tough dude. Get him out of the pocket a little bit. Press the line of scrimmage. I can see Dak Prescott does, right? When he runs, he doesn't just float. He presses a line of scrimmage. It gets a defender to commit, and that usually opens up a void to throw it in. They don't do that, man. Were they doing that with Kellen Moore?

44:24Jourdan Rodrigue:I was trying to remember that. Well, look, Kellen Moore used to coach at Dallas. Maybe so. Kellen Moore would drop Jalen Hurts like 16 steps back behind a seven-man.

44:36Steve Wyche:I feel like we had this conversation at various points with almost every one of their coordinators, except maybe Steichen, who early on it was a little slow, but basically that was a moonshot ride, and that was the best day ever. But you see teams do that with shorter quarterbacks. And that was the whole thing, you know, back when Russell Wilson first came. He was a shotgun taking seven-step drops. He'd have to throw it 18 yards to get it to the line of scrimmage. Well, this is a great test, though, because it's got to be cold, and they're playing a defense that they should be able to score against.

45:03Steve Wyche:The Bears are not creating much pressure. We'll see. We've been waiting week after week. Is this game where Kyler Gordon or Jalen Johnson come back for the Bears? Because they lost, I believe Tyreek Stevenson got hurt last week. Did Jalen Johnson come back last game? Did he? And I think he did. I'm not positive on that. But let's go to the Bears offensively, though. I mean, their offensive line is playing. And so...

45:26Jourdan Rodrigue:Jonah Jackson's a little banged up. A little banged up. So this is why I'm interested, because the Eagles' defensive front was so good up until they came up against Dallas. This is a pride thing now. Okay, are they going to dial this back up and start doing some things against the Bears? We know we're going to go. A lot of 12, a lot of 13 type of personnel. They will match up with that because they've got the linebackers to be able to do that. But I just want to see, again, how this front for the Eagles, how they dial this up. Because you know Vic Fangio is going to do some stuff to make Caleb Williams' eyes cross a little bit.

45:54Jourdan Rodrigue:And what I think Ben Johnson is going to do in response is exactly what we saw Brian Schottenheimer do with Dak Prescott. Is boot him out. Move him. Move him around. Move him. out get him running on on some of these like nakeds and things like that and move his launch point around to really attack what colleen mentioned was just a totally battered secondary right now and i feel like like i was talking to my good friend kevin fishbane who works with me over at the athletic and just wrote a great feature about where ben johnson's good better best comes from and traced its lineage back and like pretty cool story and it he was talking he We were talking about like every week the floor gets a little bit higher for this team.

46:32Jourdan Rodrigue:We saw some Bears teams in the past where when their floor would drop out from under them, there was no bottom, right? Like it just, they would. Oh, we see quite a few Bears teams. They would get close to their floor and chaos would happen and they wouldn't swing it back positive. Now, when they're in some of these close games, especially at the end, you feel like these Bears teams are starting to know how to win these games. versus because I think this will be close. I agree. I agree. An absolute dogfight. And I think that this is one of those where you really see situationally how much more developed or how much, I guess, higher the floor is for a Bears team.

47:10Jourdan Rodrigue:That's, I think, record wise outperforming what a lot of its advanced statistics say, but they're figuring out how to win games. And that is almost more important for them right now than what a lot of these metric rankings are. And a big game for CJ Gardner Johnson. Oh, yeah. Start the timer. Coming back to Philly. That could actually be a serious situation just because of the way that he left Philly. He was unhappy with it. And now he might come back. Like, we always roll our eyes at revenge games. But no, that's a real one. That's a real one. That's a great point. Because one thing about the Bears, they are just rewriting the takeaway books.

47:48They are taking the ball away at an inordinate rate. And I think the top three interception leaders in the NFL. Despite all the injuries. the top four are like with the Bears. Yeah.

47:59Steve Wyche:I mean, Kevin Bayard, like all these guys are so. And their linebackers are hurt. Like, I don't think people understand.

48:05Jourdan Rodrigue:Ken Johnson mentioned this in the locker room. Right, exactly.

48:08Steve Wyche:Like TJ Edwards and just that whole group. Edmonds. I do think the health of the secondary is going to be important. So Jalen Johnson was not playing last week. They activated his practice window for a couple weeks. So both him and Kyler Gordon have been practicing to come off IR, but they haven't been back in the game. I do wonder if they've been waiting. Maybe this is the week that it happens. And then Tyreek Stevenson, their other starter, like, got hurt, too. So they're just down big. And shout out to Nashawn Wright, who has been making plays. Falling.

48:37Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah.

48:38Steve Wyche:You know, day after day. And, look, if you were a fan of Last Chance U, he was kind of a secondary character in Last Chance U because he's the brother of Rajon Wright, who also made it to the NFL. Oregon State guys, right? And people, I think, know this lately because the coach for that season, John Beeman, tragically killed on campus. And he was such a captivating guy. And I was very emotional for Nation Wright after he had an interception a couple of weeks ago. And he's talked about just honoring John Beeman. Man, that season of Last Chance U is one of my favorite seasons of quote-unquote reality ever.

49:16Steve Wyche:And I hate that the other coach from Last Chance U is the one that everyone knows who's an idiot, who I'm forgetting about right now. Me, me. Who's just like a total moron. Oh, the Twitter fingers guy? Yeah, that guy. Don't confuse the two. Greg, by the way, you asked if anyone could name anyone from the 2014 Raiders. Yeah. I did say MJD. I just want to let you know that Drew Christensen is checking in again. Okay. And he says that you might remember that that team started 0-10 and then beat the Chiefs on Thursday Night Football for their first win of the year. And it was Derek Carr's rookie season and first win.

49:55How about that? Time machine. Run DMC Darren McFadden on that. Oh, yeah. He's a good player. Who was the quarterback who started the season? Was it Jason Campbell? I don't think Derek, but Jason Campbell. the whole his rookie season.

50:14Okay, Bears fans,

50:15Steve Wyche:you want to really get in the mix? Go win this game. Caleb a little up and down last week, but I thought it was good prep for him. He had his fastest time to throw all season by far. It was clearly a game plan with his left tackle gone. He got rid of the ball quickly. It wasn't a perfect game, but it was good enough. And they're getting their rookies, Luther Burden and Colston Loveland, 10 targets. combined in that game. So really good Black Friday game. Who hates hearing that because, you know, they're getting their rookies involved. I like his Raiders. Yeah.

50:48Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm picking the Bears in this. Okay. Eagles.

50:51Steve Wyche:Eagles. I will take the Eagles. Eagles at home. But I definitely don't trust them to cover. Eagles at home. Yeah.

50:56Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm the, I'm Colleen. The lone, I'm the lone. You are.

51:00Steve Wyche:The lone rod.

51:01Jourdan Rodrigue:But what? What?

51:03Steve Wyche:White word. Rotos. Rotos. Hey. We've reached the most important part of the show. Go. It's the soup draft. Go. How many rounds? I, we usually plan these things out. We're just going to do one round. Okay. Because I want to put pressure that you have to take. I'll go last. Why don't we go? Why don't we go ladies first? Colleen can get the one pick. Just go in order. That's it. Wow. All right. Well. Okay. Do you guys want to do two rounds? I don't need any prep on this. I know. I just thought not about prep. It was more pressure that you got to make a really hard choice. and also I would have brought this up ahead of time.

51:38Jourdan Rodrigue:Any soup is an easy choice, Greg. Fair. Come on now.

51:41Steve Wyche:I would have brought this up before, but I know how Eric would have hated this segment idea, so it had to be a surprise. Let's go too deep then.

51:48Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, God.

51:48Steve Wyche:What was that? That is, uh-uh, can't do it. Wow. Nope. Eric's revenge. Stop, stop, stop. That's Eric's revenge. Okay, this is very easy for me. Since I love soup so much, I could go in so many different directions, but there is one soup that I can never say no to if I see it on a menu. And it's not going to be a popular number one overall pick. So congratulations to you guys. It's broccoli cheddar is my number one overall pick. Definitely a seven-round pick for white. Oh, my God. No. Pete's Little Lunchbox on Drexel's campus right on 34th and Chestnut had the absolute best broccoli cheddar. It was the number one hangover cure.

52:26Steve Wyche:It can be great. It's not like an L.A. soup. You've got to have that on a cold day on the East Coast. But it's like any soup. I think if made well, it can earn that number one pick. But streets are saying it's a reach. A little heavy. Well, this is my drop. Jordan.

52:41Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm going Butternut Squash. Good call. I like that. And the heinous sound drop returns. Butternut Squash is my number one overall. That's a good one. Mine is simple. That's the Italian wedding, baby. Oh, wow. I got an Italian wedding. I'm not really a huge fan.

52:56Steve Wyche:I'm a huge Italian wedding. Eric, would you describe yourself as disgusted so far? Do you think less of Steve as a man? No. Nothing against people who consume soup. You can think whatever he wanted me. If I get some Italian wedding right here, I'll be like, get some. Greg, what's your pick? I'm trying to think. Should I go strategy? You're on the clock, Greg. Take something that someone else could take or take what I believe should be the one. I think you got to go. I'm going to go for like a soon tofu soup at like a Korean. All right. That's great. So you can add it. Now, what you add to it, because they'll ask, like, what do you want with it?

53:34Steve Wyche:Like, do you want it with pork or dumplings, kimchi, whatever? I think I'm going to go with the dumplings because that kind of combines it all. But that is some hot and spicy bubbling soup because you get the kimchi in it anyway. You know, I love it. What about a soup dumpling? I mean, that's pretty good. That's not my pick. That's why it's sort of combined. I like it. It all. Is this two rounds? Staying or regular? No, you can. You had the worst. I can't believe this felt me in the second round, but with the fifth overall pick in the 2025 soup draft, I am taking chili. Oh, that was my question.

54:11Hang on. Is a chili or a soup? I think it counts.

54:16Steve Wyche:You make it in a bowl. You make it in a crock pot. A chili is a stew. I just had a bowl of chili last week. That's not soup. And he felt like a man. I was wondering if that was going to count.

54:25Jourdan Rodrigue:Soup all the time. But chili, The consistency of chili as a non-broth-based concoction is more of a stew-like texture versus a soup. I was going to ask.

54:38Steve Wyche:This is actually, I'm sorry to do this, but this is like when the Vikings took too long to make their pick and then they got skipped in the draft. So actually Jordan is going to go now. You have to regroup and you can take another pick after. It's officially being ruled as a stew. Wait a second. Then I will take ramen. Or is that a problem, too? Ramen's a soup. Wasn't your turn because of the rules, but we'll take that. Yeah, ramen's good. Chili should count, though.

55:05Jourdan Rodrigue:That's ridiculous.

55:06Steve Wyche:Ramen's a great choice.

55:07Jourdan Rodrigue:Chili is a stew.

55:09Steve Wyche:A stew is a soup. A stew is not a soup. Jordan, the clock is ticking based on...

55:12Jourdan Rodrigue:Chicken tortilla, baby. Chicken tortilla all the way up in this system here. Nice. I love it.

55:18Steve Wyche:Cool. All the way up in this system. Weird.

55:21Jourdan Rodrigue:Clean out my sinuses, baby. Okay. A Jamaican pumpkin soup. Ooh. What? Spicy. Sweet and spicy. Little. Got a great consistency. Get you going right there. Ooh. Lots of fiber. That's pretty good. Pretty good. Squash. Okay, Greg, you're on the clock.

55:47Steve Wyche:Her last one. I think.

55:49Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, oh, yeah, she picked ramen. Yeah.

55:51Steve Wyche:Drew, what is it that you said to me? How many rounds to what? You can get on the mic. Tell Colleen, yeah, you get your pick. No, she got her pick. It was ramen. It was ramen. We'll get to that. Okay, this is tough. Last pick of the draft. I mean, like the ultimate test when you're at a... Lobster bisque is still on the board. There's so many. Like matzo ball soup is out there.

56:15Jourdan Rodrigue:Miso soup.

56:15Steve Wyche:The ultimate test at a Chinese... I get a hot and sour soup every time. Oh, I love hot and sour soup. But I think for value, I also get a wonton, too. Sometimes I'll get both. But hot and sour, you have to test that every place you go because that's the ultimate test if that's going to be a good Chinese place. But I just think for value and overall versatility and everything, you've got to take pho here. I mean, you can't let that go undrafted. I mean, pho is a W. That's a big win. That was hard to choose between those two. I'm shocked. I just want them all. I want them all. Pho is probably. I don't know, man.

56:48Steve Wyche:I apologize. Matzo ball soup. Potato leak. Whatever you are.

56:51Jourdan Rodrigue:What?

56:52Steve Wyche:Little lentil.

56:53Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, I love a lentil soup. Yeah.

56:55Steve Wyche:All right.

56:56Jourdan Rodrigue:But yeah, I would take it. Drew, do you have one that you'd like to throw in? He's not on the line. I love a miso soup.

57:03Steve Wyche:A miso. You know, it would have been controversial, but I think it would be a good mid to late round draft pick for value. I didn't need you guys to be prepped for that. You guys have been prepping your whole freaking lives. You know what else you're ready for? Born ready. Tomorrow's preview show, it's going to be a little bit different because we need to get out of here at some point before the holiday. We're going to put a clock on our preview show. We're going to have one thing that's going to blow your mind for each game. Five minutes per game. Looking forward to that. Until then. Yes. This is NFL Daily.

57:35Steve Wyche:You want to throw any other soups out there that didn't come up? French onion. French onion.

57:39Jourdan Rodrigue:I don't like it. I'm not a big one, but that's a pot. I like the broth of it. I love any broth.

57:44Steve Wyche:Maybe put our drafts up. People can grade who came in second place behind me.

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