2025 Week 4 Recap: SNF Stunner, Undefeated Teams Upset and Dublin!

22:22Lamar Jackson was seen limping, according to Jeff Darlington, on the way to the bus. Looked pretty slow on the way there. John Harbaugh wasn't sure of the severity. Said none of the injuries that happened today were season ending type of injuries. But Marlon Humphrey left. Nate Wiggins left during the game. You mentioned Roquan Smith. That was during the game. Ronnie Stanley, their left tackle, barely played at all. And then the defensive line starters that they were missing coming into it, Broderick Washington, Matt Abrique, and Travis Jones. And yeah, it's hard to really operate as a team that way.

22:54And you kind of feel the weight of what's happening to this Ravens team early this season, starting out at 1-3, Jordan.

23:01Jourdan Rodrigue:Because it's not... The injuries are significant, right? but they have had questions about their defense to start back-to-back seasons now. And I've been the first one to praise defensive coordinator Zach Orr with the adjustments he made last season and the way that this group was starting to play. You have to be healthy to be able to do that and to be able to adjust accordingly. And it was, I think, concerning in parts to see, you know, this Chiefs team has really struggled to move the ball And then to see them move with such ease at times, frequently against this Ravens defense, I think it's super, super concerning to me.

23:38Jourdan Rodrigue:But I also hold that in my head at the same time as, yes, Xavier Worthy is such a factor in this offense. And that was the plan coming in. It's almost like the wrench in the plan was the accidental contact where he got taken out by Travis Kelsey. You could see that's in part what made everything so hard for the Chiefs these last couple of weeks is adjusting once suddenly out of totally unplanned scenario, even more so than maybe your typical injury on any given play, is completely altering and changing what you're going to do, even mathematically and spacing and all of these things. And we have to remember Rasheed Rice is going to be coming back.

24:15Jourdan Rodrigue:And so there's these influxes of speed and versatility into this Chiefs offense where I feel very differently about the Chiefs offense than I did last week or the week before, for example. But I don't know. I would like to see sustainability because again, this Ravens defense is awful right now. And there are big questions and big problems that need fixing. And I don't know if they can have the answers because they don't have players. Well, we'll see how awful they are next week when they host the Texans because that's kind of a litmus test of like you should be able to slow them down. But I don't know that they will.

24:51Like those are two pretty tough games back-to-back Texans and Rams before their bye week. and they hope to get some help. I mean, this game was such a blowout that they were already having the conversation on the telecast of like, well, the AFC North doesn't look that great this year. So if you're gonna be one and three, but I think it all depends obviously on Lamar Jackson's hamstring. And yeah, the thing that popped about Worthy to me, it was almost like he had been like recharging his battery during that break because he just like left. Maybe it's just the rest of the team is a little bit slower.

25:27And he just like leapt off the screen. He led the team in rushing. Their rushing attack still did not look too good today. But man, they are going to be breathing a sigh of relief. And yes, NFL Daily super fan Nick Wright is going to be smiling. Let's take a break. Those were some of the biggest games of the day. And yet, like this second block that we have, I swear, we have all winners in them. Like it was a great week four of games.

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30:04Touchdown, Giants! Jackson Dart! Not a quarterback drop from 15 yards out. In his first start, gives the Giants the lead. Oh, Jackson Dart is fired up. You know who else is fired up? Brian Dable. You know who else is fired up? Every daytime host at WFAN. You know who else is fired up? Bob Hoppa. Giants beat the undefeated Chargers 21-18. They're the first 0-3 team to beat a 3-0 team since 2008. Everyone said Dable's desperate going to Dart like you're just doing this to save your job. Hey, maybe you should have started this kid week one, or maybe he wasn't really the deciding factor in this game.

30:48That's up to Patrick Claiborne to decide. He's the one who watched this game the closest.

30:53Patrick Claybon:Yes, and I will say it was a rookie. That was the reason the Giants were that first team to beat an undefeated team to fight despite being defeated. And that player was Abdul Carter. Abdul Carter had pressures on 25 % of his pass rush snaps. The ultimate why the Giants were able to win this game. A big part of it was Joe Walt was on the sideline in a walking boot at the end of the game. He got carted off in the first quarter. Of course, the Chargers playing without Rashawn Slater already anyway. They had to make a lot of shuffles up front. And then another big injury, which is the reason I didn't want to start with this game, Malik Neighbors is done for the year with a torn ACL.

31:30Patrick Claybon:There was a free play in the second quarter. Dart gives him a chance down the sideline. He plants his right foot hard into the ground to try to go up, and his knee gives way. uh it was carted off after that but the giants continued to make plays on defense dexter lawrence had a tip and interception he almost brought it all the way back if not for justin herbert tackle uh the giants left with a field goal after a great tackle by cam hart on cam scadaboo um there and like the we'd already started with a jackson dart touchdown drive on the opening possession he ran that in he got his first career uh touchdown pass on a shovel play because of another great Giants defensive play as Drew Phillips, who's been on the receiving end of a lot of touchdowns this season.

32:14Patrick Claybon:Taequann Thornton famously had the arm-up celebration while Phillips was on top of him for the touchdown for the Chiefs. He got an almost pick six, a play that we thought might have been coming back for defensive pass interference. It was actually offensive pass interference. Keenan Allen ran him down down the sideline, a great effort there. Wasn't able to keep him out of the end zone because Dart had the shovel pass. it was just consistent pressure and playmaking from a Giants defense that I was skeptical about. Like at this point in the season, Jordan, I'm like, you're going to have to show me.

32:43Patrick Claybon:They went out and showed me Ireland's own Jude McAtomney came in and kicked multiple field goals on a day where we celebrate Ireland in general. Just a fun game where the bright spot for the Chargers like plays from Quentin Johnston. Oh, Martin Hampton averaged almost 10 yards a carry in this game. So the game script, maybe you go back and, you know, we were celebrating, hey, Greg Roman, like, this is great, throwing the ball more. After the game, you wonder, like, could Hampton have gotten the ball more, but not to take anything away from a playmaking Giants defense that took advantage of what was presented to them today?

33:15Jourdan Rodrigue:I feel a little like I cursed the Chargers by calling them, I believe, one of the best teams in football, but a few days ago. Because, yeah, there were some serious questions about their offensive line, which was already dealing with injuries, as we know. Mekhi Becton, I believe, is still in the concussion protocol. He certainly wasn't available this week. And then Joe Alt had to get carted off. And that's awful. I mean, he's an absolute stud left tackle filling in for Rashawn Slater, who when Rashawn Slater comes back will probably move over on the right side because Joe Alt is not relinquishing that job.

33:49Jourdan Rodrigue:I thought that Jackson Dart has the juice. and I thought that he handled this Jesse Minter cloudy cover to very, very strange morphing zone that looks the same pre-snap and changes it to a billion different things post-snap and matches down hard on, on routes that look, make it look like man coverage, even though it starts a zone like that is hell for a young quarterback. And what did Jackson Dart do? If he didn't really know what he was seeing, but he saw a lane, he would go and take that lane. Now he took some hits. I think that they would like for him to not be taking deep in the season. Although from the way those fired Brian Dable up, I feel like Brian Dable has no regard or concern.

34:36Jourdan Rodrigue:He's just amped up watching all of this happen. But, but Jackson Dart, I thought played really, really solid football for his, especially his first, his first time out there in real football against one of the toughest defenses in the NFL. And he made the most with any space that he had. And he did it with like this style and this gusto that you could tell, like just got the crowd into it. Like Eli Manning is, is posting about him on social media, about the dance that he did after he ran in his own touchdown at the beginning of the game. This kid's got it. He's just got it, you know? I'm always worried about whenever someone says that they got it.

35:15I think the last time we heard it that often was about Tim Tebow. And wouldn't you know it. Jackson Dart is the first quarterback in his first start to have a passing touchdown, a rushing touchdown, and at least 50 rushing yards since Mr. Tebow.

35:31Jourdan Rodrigue:I don't see Tim Tebow hitting a TikTok dance in the end zone and wearing a diamond chain. I don't really see that, you know, like I think I feel like it's pretty clear what, you know, Jackson Dart was getting everybody into this vibe with him.

35:47Patrick Claybon:Yeah, and ultimately what he does is he unleashes the RPO back into Brian Dayball's offense, and you could say, like, oh, he's just going off one read. Well, yeah, he's being decisive, and ultimately there were times where that first read was taken away. Tully Tull Piloto had three sacks today. A couple of those were Jackson Dart just kind of running out of options, not having anywhere to escape. I'm like, okay, I guess I'll just turn it up here and take the sack. But in terms of that, like not trying to do too much, not really playing outside of structure and in a game where, you know, sometimes you go through on NGS, sort by completion probability just to see what the quarterbacks were dealing with.

36:28Patrick Claybon:Herbo was obviously going through a lot in terms of he had a lot of very, very low completion probability completions. But Dart had a couple of his own, including like a third and six inside, deep inside his own territory. his own end zone like three yards behind him rolls out. He's running 13 miles an hour, fires a ball to Darius Slayton on the sideline. And that's the it that we see. It's not just some metaphorical it.

36:53Jourdan Rodrigue:It's not Tebow Ingram. It's a guy that has the talent and the ability

36:57Patrick Claybon:to make plays. And that's why Brian Dayball's so far more hugs today from Brian Dayball than we've ever seen ever.

37:05Jourdan Rodrigue:You guys, one of my predictions coming into the season was that we would finally see Brian Dayball smiling again. And he wasn't just smiling. My dude had the quarter zip pulled all the way down, seven chains hanging out, very New York, very smiley, goes up, hugs Jackson Dart multiple times, slaps him on the front of his pads. Jackson Dart's so fired up. This was a vibe and it's relief and probably catharsis from Brian Dable. And he probably forgot his face could move like that, frankly. Yeah, let's hear from Brian D 'Abel, all fired up after the game. Look, I got a lot of confidence in our rookie quarterback, but he's a rookie quarterback, so there's going to be mistakes that be made.

37:47We know that. There'll be more next week. There were some this week. It's not going to be perfect. I've went through this before, seven years ago, whatever it may be, but the run-in in the end zone. Kid's a competitor. It's not going to be perfect. I'm sure he'll be the first one to tell you there's a lot that he can do better. We've got to continue to help him do it better. But I like his traits. I like his toughness.

38:17Patrick Claybon:I'm glad we got him. You know, I just want to remind you guys I had a rookie quarterback seven years ago. You might have heard from him.

38:24Jourdan Rodrigue:Look me up. He said, look me up. Google me. No other offensive coordinator has possibly succeeded with that guy. It is crazy how happy everyone is on a day that Malik Nabors has lost for the season. It stinks. The reality of that is really going to hit over the next couple of months and even in the next couple of days. And it's a shame. One of the best young players in the league. And I think the reality of Alts injury is really going to hit home because I thought the Chargers offensive line really struggled last week. I thought their defense kind of struggled last week and got bailed out a couple of times.

38:59And they don't have the same pass rush without Khalil Mack. And Ladd McConkie gets six targets in this game, has one catch. They're so pass heavy, as you mentioned, 41 passes to 13. And they just help the Giants fill up the stat sheet. Brian Burns, four quarterback hits. Abdul Carter, five quarterback hits. Kayvon Thibodeau, three quarterback hits. You mentioned all the pressure. I mean, that is just an outrageous pounding that Justin Herbert took today. But that's why they play the game 3-0, 0-3. Each one no longer have zeros in the standings. Let's go to San Francisco where, yes, the 49ers entered the day undefeated.

39:41Would the Jaguars knock them off?

39:43Patrick Claybon:There's the snap. There's the punt. Parker backs up, fields it at the 15-yard line. Made a man miss, 25-0, and 30-yard line. That's a good return for Parker. 50, 40, 30, 20, 15, 10, 5. Touchdown, Parker Washington. Just brought it all the way back, and the Jags have extended the lead. Oh, it's a big-time play by Parker Washington. Jaguars win 26-21, and you look at the score, and you think, Like, oh, their offense must have been the key. No, this Jaguars special teams and then especially their defense, Jordan, has become the story of their three and one start to the season.

40:33Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, and it was so fun to watch those guys fly around. We've been saying this since the season began. They are much better than I think people might have expected. And we can cut the music now. But the Jaguars defense was the big story today. They had four takeaways Sunday. They have a league leading 13 takeaways overall. There was a first half takeaway that was a punch out by Dennis Gardek, which still, I mean, the name just cracks me up every single time. The Jaguars recovered. They scored a touchdown on the very next play. Devin Lloyd had two interceptions today, one in the second quarter and one in the third quarter.

41:09Jourdan Rodrigue:And former San Francisco 49er Eric Armstead hit Brock Purdy to force a fumble and halt a San Francisco comeback attempt right after the Jaguars missed a late field goal and were up five points. Let's listen to it.

41:26Patrick Claybon:Pretty under center this time. Play fake, drop, the Jags blitz. He hit it, the ball's out. The ball is out. They knocked it out of there. Jacksonville trying to jump on top of it. No signal yet. That's the Jaguars ball. The Jags have it. They created yet another turnover and they got the ball away from the 49ers.

41:47Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, minus the missed field goal late there. It was really interesting because special teams, you're right, Greg, special teams and defense were the absolute keys to this game. And the offense kind of just barely did just enough. They're still plagued by a lot of things that do plague young teams. They are still developing in staying disciplined pre-snap. They had 12 penalties that cost them for nine or 12 accepted penalties for 90 yards. A lot of these came from like the illegal shifts. And a lot of this offense is predicated on formation changes and shifts and motions. And a lot of this was just a young group still trying to figure out what all the details are.

42:26Jourdan Rodrigue:But on defense, they are here. They are ready to go on special teams. Basial Tootin Tootin Hive also returned a 54 yard kick return. The 49ers had no idea what to do with either of these two Jaguars return, return specialists and on special teams itself. And I just thought that this is a team that is so much closer to being complete than everybody. Most everybody expected them to be under mostly new coaches and coordinators. Heath Farwell, their special teams coordinator, I misspoke earlier this season has been there and is a very experienced coordinator. But so many of these guys are new. Anthony Campanelli, they kept like cutting to him on the sideline.

43:09Jourdan Rodrigue:And he just was as happy as could be making play after play with his group. And this just was it's they're very close to being a very complete and extremely thorough and dominant team. And it's just cleaning up these discipline things, these little details. I did not like some of the clock management by Liam Cohen, especially they could have had another touchdown. They settled for a field goal, left points on the board before halftime. like they there was just there's just some bad calls in clock management they're calling plays underneath when they need them to go out of bounds Trevor Lawrence had a huge mistake where he should have run out of bounds but he slid down or he should have slid down in bounds and was arguing that he did but he went out of bounds and then former Los Angeles Ram turned Jacksonville Jaguars savior Hunter Long who had a touchdown earlier in the game made the situational mastery play to ice the game at the end on a conversion the 49ers had no timeouts left.

44:05Jourdan Rodrigue:Kyle hates his timeouts. So this was, but this was, this was a game where two phases made up for some of the little mental mistakes of the offense. And I think that's really important for a developing team.

44:18Patrick Claybon:A game where we saw the explosion back at once again for Travis ETN, who's like, oddly enough, like it's not like he's coming back from something other than not really performing to the level that we had seen him. But it's like, it's Travis ETN like a comeback player of the year. candidate at one point. He's down the sideline, gives a hesitation move, finishes it on a great run. He averages upwards of six yards a carry in this game against the 49ers. And we saw the contribution from Parker Washington. He continues to contribute even more in the receiving game. And this time, looking at Brian Thomas Jr.'s in-versus out-breaking structure, we're dead even on in-and-out breakers on this game, but he lined up out-wide for the majority of time and he got more targets on outbreaking routes so that the jags starting to come into this place where they understand who they are and what they want to be we didn't see as much travis hunter on defense this in this game in in santa clara and i'm kind of starting to wonder if it's more matchup dependent on how travis hunter will be deployed which is also something it's not a negative thing that he's he's got most of his uh snaps on offense in this game It's just the staff is understanding how they want to deploy Travis Hunter.

45:33Patrick Claybon:And it's hard other than a weird offensive lull that they went through in the middle to late part of the game. A really solid cross-country win for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I love that, Patrick, that you're on the Brian Thomas corner, like which way that his routes go each and every week. The San Francisco 49ers, by the way, had a Golston in this game. I don't know if you guys are familiar with what a Golston is, but that's when a team has zero quarterback hits or sacks in an entire game. It is the first time in a decade that that has happened. And just to put a button on it, there was a lot of talk all week about Liam Cohen, Kyle Shanahan, and, you know, who's mad at who.

46:17And amazingly, all the play calling controversy does end with a little, you know, I wouldn't say altercation, but conversation between Liam Cohen getting into it a little bit with Robert Salah after the game Kyle Shanahan was asked about it.

46:31Patrick Claybon:After game, Liam and Salah were exchanging words. Are you surprised that, I assume over sign stealing, are you surprised that Cohen maybe wasn't thrilled about that? No, tried to clear it up, but I don't see what happened, so I'm not sure. Don't think you should be that sensitive about it, but it is what it is. Not too worried about it.

46:53Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, it's like he's a disappointed dad. You know, the kids, the kids from the tree are fighting, you know, the kids from the rival coaching trees are fighting with each other. I'm so I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed that we all can't handle this more materially. That's what that's what I'm picking up from Kyle Shanahan.

47:10Patrick Claybon:The conversation Robert Salas said, you know, the Jags and a lot of people in the McVay coaching tree are very proficient at legally going through the process of understanding what your calls are. And he was effusive in his praise. He said multiple times they're not cheating. nothing's going wrong here but yeah Liam Cohen who is probably one to accept a perceived slight has accepted it and was demonstrative after the game to the point where people are holding him back let him go let's see what happens I like that both of these teams are 3-1 I feel like they both deserve to be 3-1 it was a lot of Christian McCaffrey held under 3 yards it was a lot of drops Greg at one point in this game Greg Christian McCaffrey had 17 targets.

47:56Patrick Claybon:And I don't, I'm not sure what he finished up with, but at that point he had run seven more routes than anybody else on the team as well. Like it's all Christian McCaffrey and nothing else.

48:04Jourdan Rodrigue:It was a really heavy workload game for him. You could tell that, you know, that's something to me to be concerned about just because we know his injury history and all of that. There was a ton of drops by the 49ers skill players. I give Jacksonville's defense a ton of deserved credit, but Kendrick Bourne dropped two passes. Christian McCaffrey and Kyle Juszczyk both dropped passes. Christian McCaffrey lost the ball, but recovered his own fumble. Obviously Brock Purdy fumbled. This was a sloppy game. And part of it is because they're so banged up. They, John Jennings got hurt multiple times during the game, entered the game hurt.

48:37Jourdan Rodrigue:Ricky Pierce all got hurt during the game, had to get his knees checked out. Demarcus Robinson is here for the first game. You know, it's just a lot of embattled and injury lead in people all trying to make something happen. And it's a short week coming up for San Francisco. Yeah, they got a big game against the Rams. And look, they were able to move the ball quite a bit in this game, ultimately outgaining the Jaguars, but it wasn't enough. They fall to 3-1. Let's go to the Buffalo Bills, the biggest favorite on Sunday, the biggest favorite against the Saints team in about 30 years. Back in the shotgun here, split backs, play clock down to four on first and 10 from the 28th.

49:18Takes the snap, fakes the throw to the flat, looks down the sideline, he's got Kincaid! Who's going to walk it in for a 23-yard touchdown? Oh, they've got the Saints biting on that one. Fake to the flat. Throw to the sideline. And it's easy peasy lemon squeezy. Wow. Chris Brown of WGR with his weekly. Josh Allen did something cool. Highlight. Bills win 31-19 in a game that was competitive. I'm not going to say surprisingly competitive because we said on this show, we think the Saints are going to cover that 15 and a half. And you know what? They did it by gone. Were you really worried, though, Jordan, that the Bills were going to lose this game at any point?

50:06Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, when I saw them only put up 13 yards of offense in the second quarter, I'm like, hey, hey, knocking on the glass. Are you awake in there? Come on, guys. And then, of course, you know, every single week, I feel like we all know the phrase over years and certainly this season with the defense playing the way that it is. We know the phrase. Thank God we have Josh Allen. And this was a thank God we have Josh Allen game, especially for the defense. He ripped out a 27 yard run late in the game, right up the guts of the Saints defense, right before that touchdown pass to Dalton Kincaid. It was so cool.

50:45Jourdan Rodrigue:Some of the things that he was he was able to do. He pump faked and extended plays and got linebackers to bite and they needed it. They needed every bit of Josh Allen magic because you guys, the Saints, I think, surprised some people today. They certainly surprised the Bills and the Bills defense. I'm going to be extremely curious what the advanced all 22 and some of the people who go and they count these things and miss tackle rate and all of these things over the next couple of days once the all 22 of this is available because there were miss tackles after missed tackles after missed tackles.

51:19Jourdan Rodrigue:The Saints, Kendrick, Kendrick Miller, they could not tackle him. They could not bring him down. And this was a game where, yes, they took the ball away. Spencer Rattler was under duress often, but at the same time, they took bad angles. They missed him. He slipped a couple of would-be pressures and sacks a couple of times, and they could not contain the saints on the ground. They had allowed 171 rushing yards by the end of the third quarter. This defense remains my biggest concern with this Buffalo Bills team. I got some stats for you just on that. They allowed 165 yards after contact in the, in this game.

52:00That was the third, the third most by any team since 19 or not 19, uh, 20, 2018, uh, Kendry Miller and Alvin Kamara forcing four missed tackles apiece. So, yeah, they've struggled to tackle. And the Saints have been pretty good at going on long drives. They don't always finish it with touchdowns. Sometimes they finish it with Chris Olave, you know, interceptions on the pass.

52:24Jourdan Rodrigue:Just why? Just why? But, man, you know, I got a text from Nick Wesseling who was watching this game, and he was just like, you know what? Spencer Rattler's pretty good. You know, Spencer Rattler's solid. I think that's like our number one takeaway from this Saints season is like, It's been to rather own four, but pretty solid.

52:39Patrick Claybon:Yeah. Which is why, as you mentioned, you might keep the ball in his hands and not try to have Chris Olave, who never had a completion at Ohio State or in his NFL career, throw the Philly special in like Kellen. Like that wasn't even your Eagles team. Like this is.

52:54Jourdan Rodrigue:It's too cute. Get the basics down first. Chris Olave has not had, did not have a touchdown in the season yet when they ran that play, a receiving touchdown. You're going to try to get him a passing touchdown before you get this man, a receiving touchdown. I mean, don't get too cute. Do the basics. Move the ball. Score the ball. And that's, I cannot stand stuff like that. I love trick plays. That is too cute. Stop it.

53:16Patrick Claybon:Well, at a certain point, like Philly Philly is no longer a trick play. Like everybody has seen it. We've seen it on the biggest stage and the bills were all over that. Olave's having to make that throw under pressure and Cole Bishop's able to go up and get it with one hand where it would have had to be a great throw anyway. Like that's supposed to be a wide open player. and maybe, you know, coach guys to throw that away, but he's not going to throw it away. Like, you put that play in until you throw a touchdown. And so it's a rough situation. But as Greg said, like, every single week. Yeah, I like watching Spencer Radler.

53:47Patrick Claybon:He had a run today where he, like, put his foot in the ground and, like, made two Bills defenders fall down. I think Bernard was one of them.

53:54Jourdan Rodrigue:Yes, and he didn't slide until late in the game. He started sliding. Someone must have talked to him in the locker room. I do want to say this game turned into something totally different than I expected it would be. Even from the jump, Josh Allen was five for five for 103 yards and a touchdown in the start of this game. The Bills went up 14 to seven. I want to shout out a lesser heralded player, Jonas Sanker out of Virginia, the rookie safety who had two crucial pass breakups and also intercepted Josh Allen like all the way across the field. Free safety, deep ball. He had an incredible game. And actually, at that point, it completely swung.

54:33Jourdan Rodrigue:I know you don't think it's real, Patrick, but swung momentum because the Bills were sort of stuck in the mud at that point. And it wasn't until the third quarter when James Cook started running the ball and finding some really good blocking and some good creases. And then Josh Allen sort of then took matters into his own hands that they actually kind of refound themselves and their personality because they were they were rattled by this rookie safety who came in and made a couple of massive plays. Shout out to him. That's a big game. Yeah, he's been good. A high draft pick for them that at first wasn't playing a ton.

55:03And now with injuries is playing and playing well. And yeah, you mentioned James Cook. Most of his production between the tackles, that's kind of what they've been counting on more than anything in terms of their offense this year. Over a 63 % success rate, 11 for 81 through the middle of the field. So the Bills ultimately win comfortably 31 to 19. Those are your two undefeated teams left after week four, the Bills and the Eagles. Let's come back after the break. We'll talk about a few other great teams, including the Lions. And yes, we will talk a little bit about Dublin before I go to bed. It is currently 2.20 a.m.

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1:03:54Khalif, not a great punt. He's going to come up and field it at the 34. Makes the first man miss there. He gets the 40. 45 to the 50. Khalif Angling at the 40. To the 35, to the 30. To the 25. Say goodbye, Kalief Raymond to the house. Touchdown, Detroit Lions. Oh, baby, what a run back. And that started with him making the first man miss. Kalief with some magic out there, and the Lions extend their lead. That Kalief Raymond is a hell of a player. Yep. Stan Miller on WXYT. That was a hell of a punt return because it was a difficult punt to actually catch and then control his body enough to not go out of bounds, make people miss all in one motion.

1:04:36The Lions, they find different ways to win. And on a day where you just look at the box score, like the offense didn't put up a ton of yards, they still beat the Browns 34 to 10. Patrick, you watch this game closely. What was the most impressive part of this victory?

1:04:54Patrick Claybon:The Lions is just a better team, a better prepared team. John Morton said coming into this week, when asked about the Browns run defense, well, they hadn't seen a run game like theirs. Could make the case that, you know, neither team had seen anything like the opposition because Detroit didn't run all over them, but they made several key plays to pull away. That Kalief Raymond punt return, it was a 10-point game in the fourth quarter. They made plays all over the field on defense in a rough Jerry-Judy game. A near pick six, DJ Reed. Judy argues that, you know, Reed was pulling him down. Judy goes down.

1:05:28Patrick Claybon:Reed gets that, almost brings it all the way back, led to a wide open. I'm on Ross St. Brown touchdown. He had a couple in this game. The Browns started with a score. Random fact, the Lions have given up an opening drive touchdown on every single game this season. The Browns extended that on a pretty nice Flacco drive, which is going to lead to more people asking coaches about the importance of a fast start, which is one of those things where I think we should just all get rid of. I don't understand why we ask it. The game, the score is cumulative. it doesn't make any sense.

1:05:59Jourdan Rodrigue:Because momentum is real.

1:06:00Patrick Claybon:Yeah, well, yeah, because it works out. The Ravens scored first, and then the momentum got them to win today, obviously. We did have a moment that stood out to me today. Want to see if you guys think we can get Bryce Young off of the worst throw of the year thrown for right now, because Joe Flacco had one that was picked off by Kirby Joseph today, and I want you guys to take a look and tell me whether or not this is the worst throw of the year. You can say it was a miscommunication, but, you know, it was still bad. Flacco's going to work out of the gun. Lions show five across the front, now four.

1:06:36Flacco, long count as he goes empty out of the backfield. There's the snap. Flacco back. Flacco looking, floating it down the left side. It is picked off by Kirby Joseph. Oh, no. There was not a Brown within anybody's sight down the left sideline. Flacco threw it up for grabs, and Kirby ran over it.

1:06:54Patrick Claybon:So Joe does the thing where like, you know, when you trip over something and people are looking at you and you are embarrassed and you look at the spot on the ground as if the turf monster reached out and grab you. Flacco just picked a random hash mark and just looked at it after that. That was nasty. I think we got Bryce off the throne, Greg. Well, you know, I don't know if we want to give it away. We want to get the ratings up for the big worst throw of the year award ceremony at the end of the year. I think that is a very strong candidate. that Bryce's was so unique throwing it into the stands that, you know, it's, it's in the mix, but yeah, I, I feel good that maybe Bryce is,

1:07:29Jourdan Rodrigue:is no longer the favorite structurally worse when the other team catches it. Greg,

1:07:34Patrick Claybon:but the, the Lions had a great plan. They were able to keep miles Garrett off of the, the sack stat sheet today did, did have a few pressures, but this Browns team is, is going to have to figure out what some sort of offensive plan is. They have these defensive performances where they're in these games late until things kind of give way and they got away with it with the Packers. But the Lions were just too strong, especially Amon Ross St. Brown and his connection with Jared Goff, which is next level right now.

1:08:02Jourdan Rodrigue:And the Browns had a lot of bites at the apple to try to make something happen. 14 offensive drives and just 10 points. I mean, that's the second fewest of the entire slate this week. And that's that's crazy to me. The defense, to your point, really picked up this group. and I kind of like that because you have to be able to win in a lot of different ways and we saw the John Morton game you know last week and this is very much a Kelvin Shepard game and this is these two coordinators and their respective units figuring out their personalities within that place and how this team can complement each other in a real way and it's not like you know they were playing a cakewalk team the Browns have one of the better defenses in the NFL and so to be able to be on the field that much to be able to have that much time, that many drives and still be so consistent throughout to take the ball away, to get pressure.

1:08:56Jourdan Rodrigue:I just thought that was a really good sign for Detroit in stepping up when their offense needed them to do it. Yeah. Aiden Hutchinson, nine pressures in this game, four quarterback hits, two sacks, just a monster. He is back. Yeah. Performance and the Browns defense, you know, they had to face a lot of drives to Detroit had 12 real drives in this game and they didn't even crack 300 yards. They pressured Goff 44 % of the time. He didn't take a single sack. If you want to learn what makes Jared Goff Jared Goff, I think that's it right there. They still had a very high success rate, even though he only had 165 yards.

1:09:30When he threw the ball, it was ultimately pretty successful. So the Lions win a game that they absolutely should. The Browns get ready to come over and join me on the other side of the pond. They will be facing the Vikings next week. Let's go to a game that also didn't feature a lot of scoring by one of the teams. Let's go to Houston.

1:09:54Patrick Claybon:First down at the 18. Hand off Woody. Left side 15, 10, 5. Dives into the end zone. His second touchdown of the day. I will see your two sacks and I'll raise you two touchdowns. Take that, Vanderveer. I feel like I need to know more with what was going did Woody Marks possibly give up two sacks in pass protection did they have some sort of wager before the game I don't know but I really enjoyed everyone in Houston breathing a sigh of relief and enjoying football again Texans win 26 to nothing and yes that was Mark Vandermeer and Andre Ware on K-I-L-T this game was not the blowout that it looks like in the final score.

1:10:45To start the fourth quarter, there had yet to be a play in the red zone. The score was 6-0 at that point. The very next play was actually the Texans' first play in the red zone. They scored on it, and after that, C.J. Stroud and the offense played much better. I actually thought the turning point, though, was earlier in that drive. There was a second and 33 in this game. The first three quarters like burn the tapes. I mean, it was ugly passing game football. The running games were fine, but second and 33 mistakes, penalties. They're backed up and CJ Stroud throws it to Nico Collins down the sideline for a dime.

1:11:29Nico beats LeJaria Sneed and it just seemed to open them up. They hit a fourth down after that. Woody Marks had a really good game. Chubb helped keep them on schedule. They force a turnover on downs at one point there. But ultimately, they just had a fourth quarter where they looked like the Texans. And just seeing C.J. Stroud, Patrick, like flex and like Daniel Hunter, who's been quiet, have like a big fourth quarter and celebrating. I do wonder it's not momentum, but I do wonder if emotionally maybe just getting that baggage off of, you know, their shoulders will help them play better football next week against your Ravens.

1:12:06Patrick Claybon:Yeah, winning helps. and I think we can see that coming in just in terms of the circumstances and the vibes for the two teams between the Texans and the Ravens to see especially the growth of Higgins because I think they needed that. They need somebody to step up that's not Nico Collins in the receiving game and there were a large volume of targets that went to Christian Kirk a couple weeks for the past couple weeks that weren't successful and to see Higgins get through and you try to figure out how much of that is like this positive growth by Nick Caley and his Texans offensive unit and how much of that is the Tennessee Titans and the struggles that they've had where you you know you go through and other than like some splash great splash plays by Jeffrey Simmons who again had one of the best reps I saw all day there's just not a lot to speak of from this Titans defense going up against an offense that had done basically next to nothing all season long and the Texans look like world beaters especially late.

1:13:04Jourdan Rodrigue:I often, I don't trust often like sudden anomalies. And so like, for example, the Panthers last week do not trust a sudden anomaly of a shutout like that when the data is showing us so much otherwise. Right. But with this, I kind of make an exception sometimes when it happens in a game, when you can start to feel an entire like unit start to play. and I know listeners love when I use this word more cohesively and feel like they're on the same page that there's a functionality and a direction and an identity with not just the offense overall, but everybody knows their job. Everybody is doing their job.

1:13:46Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm not saying it was perfect. It certainly wasn't, but especially with that spurt of scoring late in this game, it just, it really did feel like a little cathartic and you could see it in CJ Stroud on the sidelines and how he was interacting. And he just seemed like he just seemed lighter. Now, on the other hand, another bad day, unfortunately, another and I don't want to say a bad day performance wise necessarily, but another series of unfortunate events and bad vibes for Cam Ward, who has his incredible bright moments. and then they are losing these games and he'll make mistakes too and the team will make mistakes and then he'll be about as depressed as it gets in the postgame afterward.

1:14:31Patrick Claybon:I mean, if we're keeping a buck right now, we ass. So we 0-4. We have, at this point we've got nothing to lose. We dropped a quarter of our games and we've yet to do anything. So we have to lock in, especially myself on the offensive line, from the defensive line, from the special teams to all three faces. We have to play together. We have not played together. this year yet. And that's just something that, you know, we want to preach about it every day, every day. We got to do better. And we're doing that, but it has to show up on Sundays. It hasn't showed up yet, but it got to show up next week.

1:15:03This might sound like damning with faint praise, but I've never been more impressed by a rookie quarterback. I love that. An offense that is playing like ass. And to that point, let's actually watch, I think was the fourth play of the entire game, a new throw of the year nominee cam ward downs here with two tight ends and ward under duress from anderson slips away from him slings it downfield and it's caught at the 30 yard line by elec iomaner and this is what cam ward does he has had at least one special play every week well anderson doesn't fall for it ward just able to get past and again he points that direction and then throws it across his body.

1:15:49I feel like he's done this every game so far. It's like he's out in the schoolyard. He points to Iron Manor. Hey, go left. Alec and he hits him. That was their friend, Ross Tucker. That was almost a carbon copy of the throw of the year nominee, which I think will stay at the podium. I don't know if that one quite gets there, but I do love any play where you can make Will Anderson fall on the ground like that, run away from him and throw across his body. He has played well, even in these games where it really looks like he didn't play well. And I think his interception in this game was kind of like a typical play.

1:16:26He he throws it sidearm. It is a little inaccurate, but ultimately his receiver gets two hands on the ball. It gets deflected up. He actually hasn't had that many big mistakes, but the offensive line, no surprise, really struggled against Houston. And as anomalous, to use your word, Jordan, as the final score was, the Houston Texans defense playing this well was not out of the ordinary at all. So huge win for the Texans to get to one and three. And they have the Ravens next week in a game where one of those teams that was in the divisional round last year will fall to one and four. All right, we've done enough preamble.

1:17:07Let's get to my final game I'll be part of discussing on this show. One that I flew all the way over for. Yes, let's go to Dublin for the first time. Rodgers in the gun, single back in alongside him. One receiver left, two receivers to the right. Heavy line with, guess who, Darnell Washington there. Ben Skoronic goes in motion, fakes the handoff to Gamel, over the middle.

1:17:30Patrick Claybon:DK Metcalf, half the other, half the avoid. 45-50, 45-40, 35, 30, he's got a block ahead of him to Calvin Austin, down to the 10, down to the 5, touchdown! DK Metcalf, absolutely sensational for the big man they brought in from Seattle. And a second touchdown for the Pittsburgh Steelers, this crowd has gone absolutely wild. You wanted a Steelers moment in Dublin, you got one. DK Metcalf over the middle. Multiple Vikings with a chance to tackle him, except they didn't have a chance because none of them have the speed of DK Metcalf. Greg! Yes, that was my buddy, Will Gavin, on TalkSport with someone who was screaming way too loud.

1:18:19You want a Steelers moment?

1:18:22Jourdan Rodrigue:I love when he goes, full Greg. in my ears throughout that game was so just cacophonous. Is that a word? I don't know. Now I'm going absolutely crazy. Cacophonous. Read a book. I couldn't hear myself think, yes, the Steelers get it done in a winding, weird game, 24 to 21. They gave us plenty of moments, but that was my favorite one And we could go back through everything that happened late in this game. And there was a lot of interesting coaching decisions. But I do go back when I think about why they won this game to some personnel choices. And I'll get to my thoughts about the Dublin game experience and all that stuff.

1:19:10But they decided to go out there today and just play big boy football. And it really worked. They had Darnell Washington on the field almost every snap. Yeah. Whereas before he was the number three tight end today, he actually had more snaps than the other three tight ends combined. They also had a man who I don't think got a lot of pop before today. Spencer Anderson on the field far more than any of the other three tight ends. That was essentially a sixth offensive lineman. Most plays, they had seven either offensive linemen or tight end, some combination of either three tight ends on the field, seven offensive linemen on the field.

1:19:48And they pushed the Vikings around. It was very apparent watching it, you know, from the broadcast booth, just how they physically dominated them. Their success rate was through the roof. It was just a lot of Kenny Gainwell for five, six, seven yards. And ultimately, I think that is why they won the game, even more than the fact that Carson Wentz was in it, more than the fact that Aaron Rodgers, you know, had a couple of big plays. I think they just pushed the Steelers around.

1:20:18Jourdan Rodrigue:I love it. And I caught myself thinking multiple times this morning as I was had this game on and I was getting ready to come in here into the studio today. Is Gainwell not the best running back name ever?

1:20:30Patrick Claybon:No. Gainwell? I mean, you throw the first name in there. I've called him Kenny G for years. The music was beautiful today. You know, in absence of Jalen Warren, the Steelers ground game. And Greg mentioned Darnell Washington and the way that things were blocked up. It was cohesive. They got the ball out of Rogers hands quickly early on to the point where, you know, you worry about how you react to what Flores and the Vikings are going to do. The Steelers really dictated over the course of the game and then, you know, made plays down the stretch like, like a Peyton Wilson running down Jordan Addison, essentially saving about a minute of game time and what could have been clutch.

1:21:11Patrick Claybon:And people are like, well, Jordan Addison, you know, he's coming back. No, like Peyton Wilson, his, the speed that he ran in this game, 22.48 miles an hour. He could have caught DK from behind on DK's long touchdown. Like he, he, that effort was spectacular, but you know, I don't want to overstate the effort. He's a fast player who runs fast and we tend to overstate effort depending on how the player looks. Uh, but yeah, he's exceedingly fast and they, they, they, they made like Ben Skoranek was out there making plays like guys were doing vintage.

1:21:41Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah.

1:21:41Patrick Claybon:That's all Ben Skoranek does when super roles and make big plays. And yeah, this is the Steelers team. We were promised that we felt like we were in search of for the first few weeks.

1:21:50Jourdan Rodrigue:Even further than that too, Patrick, it's like what Greg mentioned as well. This is like, finally we're seeing, this is how Aaron Rogers wants to play. There were a couple of explosives obviously. And then, but he mostly got the ball out quick and it's also what Aaron or what Arthur Smith wants to play. So it's like this, this marriage that we're finally seeing because he's loaded up in these heavy personnels. And to your point about dictating to the Flores defense, in part, it's because you are in such heavy personnel the entire time. And it does not bode well for a lot of the different coverage changes and formation changes and things that usually are dictated to you by that defense.

1:22:30Jourdan Rodrigue:And it's not the only reason, but it's a part of it. When you load up in personnel like that, it is just hard to regain the mathematical leverage on the other side. And not a lot of teams have the players to be able to do this. And so we finally saw maximizing the roster on this offense after a few weeks of catching little glimpses here and there, a two-point conversion earlier in the season to Darnell Washington, where you're like, why don't you just do that every single time? You know, these kinds of things are so clear. They've had the formations. I just don't think they've had the right personnel on the field.

1:23:07Like Washington being there live, it was really so noticeable how he's lining up in a completely different spot every time he's in motion a lot as like a 270 pound guy. He's a fullback. He's, he's a tight end. He's offset. He's everything. And I think he's an all pro type of player, like a unicorn type of player, if they can maximize him. And today I think you saw it and Fryer Muth and Johnny Smith were just much less big deals today. You mentioned Rogers getting rid of the ball quickly. They blitzed quite a bit in this game and he still had a 2.17 time to throw. And he got hit like three times.

1:23:44And other than that, he just, he just got rid of the ball and it wasn't like amazing, but it was more than good enough. And you mentioned that Peyton Wilson, like rundown. So that's late in the game during a really inspired fourth quarter comeback by Carson Wentz that was helped out by some decisions by a fourth down fail by Pittsburgh. And that was the fastest any linebacker has run in the NFL in almost 10 years, which is wild. I do trying the hardest, right?

1:24:12Jourdan Rodrigue:So much effort. It's funny. It's funny because Carson Wentz got so much credit last week and he's going to get so much blame this week. And I was like, he didn't play any different. If anything, I thought he maybe showed a little more today where he took about 13 or 14 quarterback hits and was down 24 to six to start the fourth quarter and had them in position at the end of the game to possibly go win it he was fine there was a couple deflected interceptions which I don't think you could totally put on him at least not one of them especially like he was game but ultimately the Steelers like Arthur Smith out coached Brian Flores and the Steelers were tougher than the Vikings on this day don't know if that would happen every week but they They were absolutely tougher.

1:24:54It's kind of a, it's got to give them ideas of like, can we, can we replicate this? Cause our defense, we know can play better overall than they did today. Yeah.

1:25:04Jourdan Rodrigue:And shout out. It was nice to hear Will Gavin, Greg, uh, on the call. Will, um, I know you're listening. Thank you very much. Um, sorry for what I said earlier this season about redheads. Oh yes. He actually mentioned that to me in person. He said he was a little disappointed that, that you were afraid that the redheads were taking oh what the hell let's listen to a redhead highlight yes carson wentz they thought the game was over that we were going to send a dud over to dublin although it was kind of a fun 24 to 6 but it was 24 to 6 but carson wentz wouldn't hear it

1:25:36Patrick Claybon:in the gun it's so loud here in quote park i can barely hear myself think carson wentz goes to hand it off to gordon mason instead rolls out he's got space naked boot jaylon Nyla, touchdown Minnesota Vikings. 2-0-8 remaining on the rollout. Nyla gets in the end zone, and that is the key, key thing. It was before the two-minute warning. Never tell Carson Wentz that the game is over. It's alive. Never tell him the play is over. His first read was taken away there. State Com got the score. I love it. Yay. Got more calls. What are you talking about? I love it.

1:26:11Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm going to go. I want to listen to the whole thing. I'm going to go back. I had a great time there showing a picture. If you're watching on YouTube, this is a reason not to. But you can also see my face uncomfortably close to the camera as we approach 3 a.m. And I have a new setup. But yes, that was me and Will Gavin. And Simon Clancy was also there with me in the booth. So I apologize to Simon for not picking any of his calls. He did an incredible job. And it was an absolute thrill and a huge win for the Steelers, who I think have a chance to get better. And they're three and one already. The Vikings fall to two and two.

1:26:54They'll be staying overseas, going over to England next week like myself. So the game atmosphere, guys, was like it was incredible walking to the game. I'm in downtown Dublin I don't think they call it downtown here but it was about a 45 minute walk to the game and just like being part of an entire city that really embraced this game in a way that I don't think maybe a city the size of London even possibly could like it really felt like a Super Bowl in a city like New Orleans and I just think there's a level of fandom here not only the intense fans, because because we have those in pockets all over the world.

1:27:45But I I think the level of casual fandom here is is also pretty high where every like everyone I ran into had had a pretty good knowledge of just the basics of what's going on with the NFL. And so grateful to be here. And then, you know, walking through like the Trinity College campus where, you know, I was getting my Sally Rooney on. if you're a Sally Rooney head out there and walking in and the pregame with, you know, seeing Bill Murray walk by on the field and everything. The city just was kind of on fire the last couple of days. And I was really glad to see the game live up to that. And I don't know what it looked like on TV, but the atmosphere was really awesome.

1:28:30Like when they played Renegade, it felt like you were in Pittsburgh. and the sound more than any international game I've been at felt like a real home game. And I thought they actually gave the Steelers an advantage. You saw the Vikings kind of fritzing out late in the fourth quarter where they were struggling to like play fast. And I really thought the crowd noise was a big part of that. So I think all the Steelers fans that came over here, I think there were a lot more Americans at this game also than any other game I had been to before over here. How did it look on TV?

1:29:04Patrick Claybon:It looks great. All the energy and intensity that we hear on the call and you guys dealing with the noise, that came through on the broadcast. It's just in seeing the crowd shots and the reaction shots of everything, that feeling that you had walking through Dublin kind of came through in the screen in that those folks appreciated having that opportunity to be at the first ever game and the first ever game delivering in that way. It was a payoff for all parties involved. Even the Minnesota Vikings fans who made the trip didn't leave with a win. But to be there in that moment, worth it. Worth it for everybody involved.

1:29:45Patrick Claybon:What a great opportunity for folks in Dublin and for us.

1:29:48Jourdan Rodrigue:There was a terrible towel, TIFO. That looked super cool on TV, I gotta tell you. Just unfurled a massive, terrible towel through a massive portion of the crowd like they do at non-American football games, soccer games. And it was it was cool and just felt like such a party. And it felt like I really could tell because you can hear the ebb and swell of the crowd, even if it's muted a little bit when you're watching on the on the TV broadcast. And you could tell this is an educated group of football people, you know, like and a lot of these overseas games are certainly that way and becoming more and more so i think every year and it's just cool because i mean man what a vibe is it true i saw i didn't hear it myself is it they were playing the cranberries too uh zombie was like an incredible i would have run through a freaking wall if i heard that that's so cool that is so sick oh my god yeah like they they went big for sweet caroline to but I've seen that before but also it that was special but hearing zombie and the whole crowd going wild for zombie and then actually the moment I will remember and this is bizarre and is probably just unique to me of the entire week was the second you know we finished like a brief post game show and I took off the headsets like the second that happened they started playing dreams by the Cranberries, which I referred to off the top, which is one of my favorite songs.

1:31:23And for some reason, because I saw it this year in a movie, I've been playing nonstop to my family when they least want it and least suspect it in the car as loud as possible. And it makes them go absolutely crazy. And so taking the headset off and just hearing Dreams come on at that moment is something I will never forget. And I won't forget the fans here. We did an event on Friday night. And yeah, I'll wrap this up with this, with Michael McQuaid, who hosts a Pro Football Ireland show and was on Virgin TV today. And for all these fans and media members and guys here, they've been trying to lift up the NFL on their own while they're like doing other things.

1:32:11You know, there's not an ecosystem here. And it was really a culmination, I think, for all the diehard fans and these media members to get the game here and to see it embraced. And after Colleen and I did about a half hour of their show where they had a lot of ex-players, a very drunk Brett Kiesel on the stage, like really drunk. Good for him. Yeah, me and Colleen got off. There's still more show to go. And a lot of the people watching came out with us and one by one just kind of told us their stories and how much that around the NFL had meant to them back in the day and that that helped them become fans and just what the game means to them in different ways.

1:32:54And to everyone that came up, it meant a ton to me. And I think the entire week meant a ton to the league. and Roger Goodell already said it, like they're planning to come back. We'll see if it's in 2026, but he said that before there even was a game and got to enjoy it all. So the idea is to have more of these international games and we know that we will be here in Dublin and I'm sure I forgot something here, but I do want to thank our boss, Matt Schneider, for helping out and everyone back home, obviously, for making this happen and the people at TalkSport. And with that, it's time to go to bed.

1:33:35Get some rest, Greg. You're a champ. All right. All right. So what we're going to do here, we're going to take a break. And when you come back on the other side, you're going to get to hear the beautiful vocal silence of Nick Shook. He's going to wrap up this show.

1:33:51Jourdan Rodrigue:Will he also be as close to the camera as you are right now? No, he will be further away and he will look much more manly.

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1:38:54Jourdan Rodrigue:that in every phase they look like a more complete team I mean you could kind of see despite last week with the, with all the turnovers that, that, uh, the Patriots had, um, you could still see pieces coming together, like the concepts of the plan kind of coming together. And then this week, and yes, it was against the Panthers. And we talked earlier in the show, Nick, about how this was very animalic last week, uh, what the Panthers were able to do to the Falcons because data tells us otherwise. Um, but it also was to me, um, you could see the, theory behind everything they were doing. They seemed more complete as a complete team, offense, defense, special teams, than I think we've seen from the Patriots so far this season as they rebuild.

1:39:39Patrick Claybon:And positive news for the Panthers. It wasn't a world-beating performance, but once again, they didn't get run all over for the third consecutive week. Signs of growth there, but Drake May, 14 of 17, 203 yards. They could do seemingly nothing to bother him. He almost had a perfect passer rating, completed 82 % of his passes. Meanwhile, the Panthers' offense, other than that six points and then the missed extra point, I guess you could say that the missed extra point caused a collapse in momentum that ultimately sent the game spiraling to 42 unanswered points because Bryce finished 18 of 30. There were several moments where he and T-Mac couldn't quite link up.

1:40:19Patrick Claybon:Bryce honestly missed those throws. I'm not going to say that they couldn't link up because there were some whiffs from Bryce. There were some whiffs on the blocking side of things and just a dominant performance where I was thinking the Patriots hadn't done anything as impressive as what the Panthers did last week. Well, now they did. And now the transitive property says that they're like 72 points better than the Atlanta Falcons. Evidently comes off of them pitching at 30 to nothing shutout and then they get absolutely dominated the next week. But it was you're right. It was it was a complete victory by the Patriots.

1:40:50It came in all three phases. It started with the Jones punt return for 87 yards. Marcus Jones just cuts through the punt coverage. He almost takes another one back. He takes it 61 yards and barely gets tripped up by the punter. He would have had two punt return touchdowns. And that's in the third phase of the game. Extremely efficient offensively. May dot in the field with accurate passes. Leaning on Hunter Henry. Finally hooking up with Stefan Diggs for the first time. They went six for 101. That felt good to see as somebody who's understood their struggles at times. And you're right. They didn't have to run all over them because they were just so efficient.

1:41:21It didn't matter. They lost time of possession by 11 minutes and dominated this game. That's how one sided it was. And for the first time, I think too, and Jordan, you mentioned this and a great point. You saw pieces of it before, right? This was the first time in this very short Mike Vrabel era so far, the first month in which I felt like the Patriots adopted Mike Vrabel's identity because they were aggressive on defense. They were stifling. Bryce looked very uncomfortable. You talked about the blocking not working. I felt like they were just disjointed after that first touchdown drive and never really found it again.

1:41:52And I think that's exactly what Mike Vrabel intends to do with his defense. Now, it doesn't show up in the pressure numbers, but if you watch the game, you can see an uncomfortable price. And that's created by Mike Vrabel's defense. So a resounding victory for the Patriots.

1:42:03Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, we were waiting to see this, what Vrabel's identity was going to be. I think we feel like we know it based on like his presence and his history and the way that they're trying to build this team and some of the moves he's been very aggressive about making and plugging in certain players and the draft that he just went out and executed. And certainly, you know, but actually putting it on the field and seeing it and seeing what I think Patriots fans can take away from as like the beginnings of an identity, right? I'm not going to, I even wrote about this earlier today. I'm not going to put any expectations on the Patriots fans.

1:42:42Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that's okay. Just float for a year, you know? just vibe, right? But I think it's all gravy when you don't have expectations and you just, you need to see these building blocks. You can't take these giant leaps before you take the smaller steps. And over the last couple of weeks, that's very much what I've seen from this team and certainly putting it together in a big way today. Yeah, absolutely. Now we're going to move on to another place here where the smaller steps were a little more painful, a little sloppier, not quite a rack fight, but it was a thrilling finish. We go to Vegas. A weight in the snap.

1:43:13It's good. Snap. They're blocked! Bears blocked the kick. They blocked the field goal on fourth and three with 32 seconds to go in the game. The Bears blocked the kick. They are going to sneak out of Allegiant Stadium with a 25-24 win. Sneak out is exactly how anybody would describe this Bears victory. The Bears take down the Raiders 25-24 at Allegiant Stadium. a comeback victory for Chicago. Jeff Joniak and Tom Thayer on the call on WMVP. Chicago, a couple of wins in a row, and for the first time, they were pushed up against the wall, and they came through in the clutch with Caleb Williams leading the go-ahead touchdown drive in the special teams unit, finishing it off.

1:43:57Patrick Claybon:The performance that jumped out to me was the veteran, Kevin Byard, taking us back to his days as a Tennessee Titan, where on multiple plays, he's lined up in the middle of the field as a middle of field safety does not move. Geno Smith must have been assuming that Kevin Byard was going to go somewhere on both of these plays because Byard moved a total of five yards on these and intercepted Geno Smith, a part of Geno's three interceptions that, you know, were part of the way to doom the Raiders, the positive sign. We got Ashton Gentry, some life in the run game. So Chip Kelly is off of my bad list as we finally got Ashton Gentry, not just involved in the run game, but the past game too.

1:44:39Patrick Claybon:And he showed you why he was worth that top 10 pick.

1:44:43Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah. Three touchdowns for Ashton Janty. And my quick math is telling me one's close to one 60 scrimmage. I can't do math that fast. One 38 and 17. Someone else do that for me. But yeah, it's, it is, it was refreshing to see this. We knew they had it in them, right? That's why we were like, just like grabbing them by the shoulders and shaking them. Cause we're like, we know you have this in you, despite the fact that your offensive line is having just such a woeful start to the season and Geno Smith is under pressure all the time. And man, I hate it for him. I'm curious, Nick. I did not have eyes on the game for most of this game.

1:45:19Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm curious, how did Geno play? Because the stat line is awful, but sometimes, you know, a bad bounce here, a bad bounce there. Obviously, they did not get Brock Bowers again as involved as would be actually helping this team with easy outlets and catch and run plays. What was the Geno Smith situation today? What was the issue? The Geno Smith situation started with the worst possible outcomes, which was that interception. And it's funny that you mentioned that, Patrick, that he didn't move because Adam Archuleta's on the broadcast and he's stunned. He's like, they're watching the second interception.

1:45:50He's like, that's the same interception he threw earlier. He didn't see him again. So it was about as bad as you could expect. It was a sloppy game by both sides. And the Raiders seemed to be able to move the ball a little bit easier early in this game, but they were undercut by Geno's interception. which is what made Gentry's performance so valuable, so essential to the Raiders even being in this game and having a lead in the fourth quarter, because without him, they weren't really doing much of anything. Brock Bowers, like you said, they didn't get him as involved when they did get him involved.

1:46:16He still doesn't look a hundred percent with that knee. You lose that weapon. Your offense is going to be limited. And they were definitely limited, but they had done enough. And for the first time all season, this Raiders defense could actually get stops. They were keeping them in the game while Gino was working through his struggles. By the time he kind of found himself, He was still missing some throws here and there, especially in key spots. And the sequence at the end there, the way they handled it conservatively, just kind of spoke to their offensive struggles overall. But it was the first time where I felt like their defense played better than their offense this season.

1:46:44And ultimately, the special teams doesn't come through. They don't make the field goal and they lose a heartbreaker.

1:46:49Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, Max Crosby put a lot on his shoulders this game. The Raiders highlights package that is available is a lot of defense. And it's a lot of Max Crosby trying to do so much as we kind of feared. with some of the moves that they made in the off season and didn't make in the off season. And, you know, they, you, you worried about like the weight bearing walls on this team and whether or not there was going to be enough, especially on defense support around. And I think overall, you know, we've seen a couple of really good games from this Raiders defense and, and surprisingly over expectation of what I think the roster looks like and, and what this could be.

1:47:27Jourdan Rodrigue:The problem is, is it's inconsistent. And then when this happens on the other side and there's turnovers and all of that stuff, you're just putting everyone in a bad spot.

1:47:36Patrick Claybon:Yeah, the target chair for Trey Tucker, just to after the breakout performance against the Washington Commanders, where you would hope that these, you know, bad games don't continue to stack. But clearly there was an issue. And to give Kevin Byard the credit on the second interception, he did take a couple of steps back to where Gino might have thought he was going deep. But again, it was just a couple of steps. But I understand there's a lot of moving pieces. And, you know, that's the Bears needed to make plays on defense, like big splash plays on defense, because this unit doesn't seem to be at this point capable of making this long, sustained defensive success over play in and play out.

1:48:19Patrick Claybon:Because the Raiders had done nothing in the run game all season long. And Astro Jensi looked like he was going through the college football once again.

1:48:28Jourdan Rodrigue:155 scrimmage yards there it is there's the math yes man we added 17 yeah i did it weird number it was super valuable it is it's always hard right carry the two the one it was uh i have to give gino a little bit of credit here because the third picky through was a great play by tyrick stevenson it really wasn't as much on gino but for fans who prefer quarterbacks with you know accurate showings. One guy in Atlanta needed a bounce back. This is a transition. That's a freaking pro right there. Let's head to Atlanta. Let's check out what Michael Penix did with the Falcons. Pistol formation with Robinson.

1:49:05Give it to him.

1:49:09Pajon with the mustard.

1:49:13Patrick Claybon:The mustard. You've been waiting for that one. I like it. Look at these jump cuts. Look at the mustard on these jump cuts. He is just jumping all over the place John Robinson powers the Falcons to a big bounce back performance. And if you were a fan of explosives, you got plenty here from Atlanta because Michael Penix teamed up with Drake London. He teamed up with Bijan. He teamed up with Kyle Pitts. They're throwing the ball all over the yard as the Falcons take down the commanders 34 to 27. Of course, that's Ian Eagle and JJ Watt on the call. And when Greg messaged me, what's a good call from that game?

1:49:45I thought, God, the mustard call by irony with the mustard, all the condiments on those jump cuts into that end zone. Bijan has a great day, has a performance kind of similar to Ashton Gentry, actually. And the Falcons rolled to a much needed victory over a commander's team that, you know, second game without Jaden Daniels, didn't have Terry McLaurin out there, just felt like they couldn't keep up today.

1:50:07Patrick Claybon:Yeah, there was moments where you got worried about the Falcons performing a falconing late in this game, where Marcus Mariota hit Debo Samuel on a about 27 yard, I believe, touchdown pass. that got them within striking distance, but the Falcons just kept scoring. In the fourth quarter, there was a Tyler Algier touchdown run after Bijan got all saucy in the end zone. And the great part about that call from Ian Eagle was Bijan, he scores, Mike Sammerstil is hanging on to his ankles. He spins into the end zone, goes down and then pushes himself up with one hand while he's holding the ball in the other hand, right as Ian Eagle is saying the mustard as well.

1:50:48Patrick Claybon:It just perfectly encapsulates how explosive and how incredible of a football player Bajon can be when he gets the ball in space, when he gets the ball without space. And really a bounce back game, as you mentioned, Shook from Michael Penix Jr. And the Falcons can just kind of wash away. And considering the way the Panthers played on Sunday, say that was just one of those weird games where you just burn the tape because they played much better against Washington today. Yeah, it felt like folks were really hard on Penix last week. Understandably so. It was probably the worst game of his career.

1:51:20And it felt so good to see him come out and not just dot the field with accurate passes, but sling it. I mean, he's taking shots down the left sideline. There was a sequence where he took like two or three shots in a row. One gets called back because of a penalty. They go right after it again. He's connecting with Drake London repeatedly. This offense feels like it has life. But it does bum me out because they did have a firing on their staff this week. They fired receivers coach Ike Hilliard. And everyone's like, well, they fired their receivers coach. Now everything must be fixed without maybe considering that this is also a Washington defense that hasn't quite been the best.

1:51:51And for another week, looked a little slow at times.

1:51:54Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, slow and concerning late too, right? Like it just sometimes things just fall, fall, seem to fall apart and, and compound for this group. And it's obviously well coached and, but sometimes you just wonder, okay, are there enough players on this defense? Are there enough young players on this defense? And I think that's just going to keep coming up for the commanders. And it was a similar question that was asked last year. This Michael Penix game reminded me a lot of the Michael Penix games we watched when he was at Washington. Some of the throws, it would make you want to talk about mustard.

1:52:24Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, the mustard and the relish on some of those passes that he had. I mean, like I always believed in him. Let me put that on the record right now. It is interesting. This is also circulating. This is a very good Zach Robinson tape game. the same day that our own Ian Rampaport was reporting that Zach Robinson may be on the short list for that Oklahoma State job. Obviously, he played there previously. So it's a good first look at Zach Robinson for anyone who is curious. And certainly, in my opinion, I always think that moving down to the field helps a coordinator because you want to be able to talk to your quarterback who obviously, and, and have him talk back to you, which can't actually have that happen when you're just talking to at him in the headset headset.

1:53:13Jourdan Rodrigue:And he can only respond with hand signals and is talking to different support coaches versus directly to the guy who is calling the plays for him. And I don't know if this was a magical fix. I, I tend to think that last week was just a big anomaly. Like I've said ad nauseum throughout the course of the show, not to keep throwing shade at the Panthers whom I love dearly and I want better for. And, um, and I just think that this, but this is the Michael Penix Falcons. This is the cast of skill players that we are used to seeing or that we expect to see from this group. And really, I think more indicative of what their identity is than what they showed last week.

1:53:51Yeah. I think it also reinforces the fact that one month into the NFL season, a lot of us don't know who the hell a lot of these teams are. Yeah. Let's think about the Falcons over the last three weeks they get that the resounding victory over the Vikings in primetime right and then they get absolutely dominated by the Panthers and their worst showing of the year and then they come back out and look like the team that we thought they were that maybe they looked more like in way back in week one they've been a different team identity wise in the way they've gone about these games every week and at minimum it's encouraging to see an opposing defense choose to play zone 75 percent of the time and dare Michael Penix to pick them apart and then he largely picks them apart with the assistance of one of the best running backs in the NFL and Bijan Robinson.

1:54:30So very encouraging for them. A good way to end the month, two and two for the Falcons. And a good way for us to end this part of the show. We say goodbye to Patrick. This still feels weird for me being in the shoes saying goodbye to you in this seat. Goodbye to you. But me and Jordan are coming back for Sunday night. Yes, we are. Enjoy Sunday night football, everybody. Woohoo! Of 34 yards on the right hash. The kicks away from 34. It's good. And the game ends in a tie. they tie at 40 and and both teams are going off like they lost the game there was there was no excitement on either side they're exhausted too but you're right you're right a tie feels like a

1:55:16Jourdan Rodrigue:loss after all of that oh that was brad sham the sham god and babe laffenberg on krld on the call. I am in the power chair. Nick Shook is with me. After all the drama, Nick. Wow, nice flex there. After all the drama, all the madness of back and forth second half with some truly wild moments between the Green Bay Packers and the Dallas Cowboys. All the suspense leading up to the Micah Parsons quote-unquote revenge game or the vindication for Jerry Jones after the Packers last played heartbreakers to Dallas. And we end in a tie, 40-40 in overtime. Nick, what the hell did we just watch? For those who watch on YouTube, which like and subscribe as always, you probably just saw...

1:56:07Jourdan Rodrigue:So you can see Nick Shook's guns just now. He just hit the flex. That's the cherry on top. That's the bonus. You probably saw all the facial expressions of those slowly walking toward midfield, unserved of what to do. Like, how do I react here? Micah Parsons' eyes darting around as if he's just entirely uncomfortable because there was no resolution to this game. The resolution was a tie. And I'll avoid all the cliche sayings that describe a tie. But I will tell you that this game deserved better than a tie. And yet at the same time, perhaps it didn't because it turned into absolute chaos in the fourth quarter.

1:56:41Here we go, Jordan. Let's run down some possessions. We'll start with the first touchdown of the fourth quarter. That's Josh Jacobs with an 18-yard touchdown run. That gave the Packers a 27-23 lead. but not to be outdone, the Cowboys would respond with a Javante Williams touchdown run. And then they would just go in order, back and forth, back and forth, all the way to overtime. And when the Cowboys get inside the five, they can't punch it in for a touchdown. They settle for a field goal. And the only thing that's crazier than that is Jordan Love just barely having enough time left in the clock after an incomplete pass toward the end zone for Brandon McMiss to come out and hit the game-tying field goal and sending us all home just feeling like, what did we just watch?

1:57:20Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, the game that they kind of deserved after the first half, but the game that we felt like we didn't get after watching the second half. It felt like after how wild the second half of this game got, we went into overtime taking the listener back a little bit. That Brandon McManus 53-yard field goal tied it up 37-all at the end of regulation, and of course Dallas gets the ball first here after Green Bay wins the kick. The new overtime rules, it can be debated. it's a little bit of an advantage maybe to get the ball second because then depending on whether the opponent hit a field goal or a touchdown you now know exactly what you need yeah to win the game so I want to talk about this wild sequence because on the third down of Dallas's possession Dak Prescott first hits a wide open George Pickens wide open for some reason like he was the entire second half and many players were the entire second half down the sideline for 22 yards and two plays later, one of the best throws.

1:58:20Jourdan Rodrigue:The kids are in charge of the show today, Nick, so I think we should submit this here as one of the throws of the year. Dak, so far, Dak Prescott under pressure, hits a wild fadeaway throw to Jalen Tolbert, who tiptoes to stay in bounds, makes the catch, falling sideways, somehow defying the laws of physics and gravity. And then Micah Parsons prevents a Dak Prescott scrambling touchdown. So they depend on Brandon Aubrey's leg on that first possession to go up 40 to 37. The Micah Parsons revenge game was probably not how Micah Parsons himself expected it to go. But if he does not prevent that touchdown at the end of the game, then we're probably having a different, we're possibly, even probably, having a very different conversation right now, Nick.

1:59:10Yeah, and it came at a perfect time, really, because it was right about the same time where everybody watching was all coming to the same conclusion of, wow, for being an all-world edge rusher. Micah Parsons certainly isn't stopping the Cowboys' offense from moving the ball down the field right now. They're doing it with relative ease. Oh, wait, there's a nearly clear path to the end zone for Dak Prescott to play hero and score a touchdown. Who catches him from behind? One of the few guys on the planet who has the speed and the size to be able to catch him from behind, bring him down, and prevent that touchdown.

1:59:39That was his, I guess, shining moment. He had another moment in the fourth quarter there where he was rushing off the edge, and Tyler Smith just barely dives out to kind of get him in the hip and prevent him from what would have been a strip sack of Dak Prescott and probably could have wrecked the entire flow of this game and may have led to a Packers victory. Instead, that's Micah Parsons' best moment, and it is a great moment. It's just there's a little bit of a shadow cast over it because it didn't lead to a win or a loss, so we all just walk away feeling as if we didn't get a real resolution.

2:00:07But it was good for him, and it was also a great counterpunch in the moment to what was a phenomenal play that you just described that it was the throw that Dak is rolling to the right and he just basically like throws his whole body into it and falls forward as he's throwing it and then immediately gets hit right when the ball is released and goes backward it's just one of those like spectacular plays that only a few quarterbacks on the planet can do and Dak Prescott has the arm to get that done and this play was full or this game was full of plays like that, but that was one of the ones that we'll remember the most.

2:00:40Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I thought he was unbelievable. I thought Dak Prescott was unbelievable tonight. I thought that Jordan Love was mostly very good. A couple of rough spots here and there. Romeo Dobbs finished this game with a hat trick. Romeo, Romeo, therefore art thou Romeo. He found him three times in the end zone, including for a pretty clutch situation, a go-ahead touchdown. Josh Jacobs got running in the second half. You know, a wise man, Les Snead, once told me, when you're ever running into adversity, just hit duo and run through the roadblocks. I find that to be words of wisdom, Nick. That's exactly what the Packers did to start getting this ball game rolling a little bit.

2:01:15And of course the Cowboys responded in overtime though.

2:01:19Jourdan Rodrigue:Green Bay had a chance to respond and there was some late confusion and trouble getting to the line of scrimmage on a third and 14. And really the only option Jordan Love had was basically to rip a ball into the end zone. At that point, kind of the safest play to hit to try to give yourself the touchdown shot, but also sort of quote unquote protecting the ball in a way because if it flies out the back of the end zone, the clock stops and that's great. And so, you know, there's a player sort of in the area. He almost makes the throw, doesn't. One second left on the clock. And, of course, now we're all kind of like, what the heck?

2:01:54Yeah, yeah, of course. I mean, that sequence itself, I felt like the Packers were being just a little too nonchalant, a little too casual with the clock. They needed to get on the ball earlier, about two plays earlier. They do get a couple more plays off. And then they come down to that, and there's a little bit of confusion. And I'm thinking at that point, clock it. At least give yourself time to figure out what you want to do and get organized. Instead, they have this very slow, like muddle huddle, and then they snap the ball. And I'm just sitting on my hands in my head. Like, I'm just like, oh, my God, please stop.

2:02:21Like, throw the ball. Get rid of it. You're going to run out of time. So as soon as the ball deflects off the defender, I look at the clock and there's and I swear there's barely one second. If this was like an NBA clock or a hockey clock. It's rounded up. It's rounded up. Yeah, this is this is one of those situations in the NBA where there's two tenths left and all you can do is tip the ball in or that's the only thing that's legal. in the following play because there was like no time left. There was less than a second there. And of course, I guess fortunately for Packers fans, they avoid the loss because it was just enough time to get a field goal off.

2:02:51But my God, I did not need that anxiety spike on a Sunday night.

2:02:54Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, and you know, I think plenty of compliments to go around, especially if you're extrapolating the second half and overtime for both of these offenses. Still major concerns, new concerns about the Packers defense, I think, or newer concerns because minus C.D. Lamb, the Cowboys receivers, were just finding openings all over the field. Dak Prescott was unconscious for the second half of this game and in overtime did everything he needed to do to try to get his team to win other than maybe high step over Micah Parsons' outstretched hand there. At the end, him and Brian Schottenheimer, to me, Nick, I think they got something here because I love the game that Shottie called.

2:03:36Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, I hope that he stays this way when there are actual expectations. on the Dallas Cowboys season, which I would say is fair that they did not enter the year post-Parsons trade with many. But once there are expectations on this offense, I want to see Shadi still call a game this free, this smart. The thing, you know, Josh Jacobs on the Packers side and running duo and inside runs got the Packers going. OK, well, doing all kinds of weird stuff in the run game with Clayton Adams and all of the, you know, as the OC and getting that run plan, that mix of power and then misdirection with some of the reverses and the receivers minus CeeDee Lamb on the sideline really stepped up.

2:04:16Jourdan Rodrigue:I just think this, even if it's a tie, you got to feel really good about this if you're a Cowboys fan. And I think maybe adequately concerned if you're a Packers fan because of what you saw from the defense. Yeah, absolutely. And I think both things can be true. The Packers ran into an offense that is performing at a high level. Like they have been since week one, really, save for the second half slowdown in week one against the Eagles. This has been a team that's going to need to be an offensive team in the Cowboys. It's the only way they can win these games. Now they hit a bit of a rut last week when they played the Bears and they didn't have CeeDee Lamb available and you can kind of see where the challenges might exist.

2:04:48They're also not playing with their full starting five on the offensive line but we forget that most of that offensive line when it's fully healthy is very good and even with three of five or maybe four of five starters, it's still going to be good. It's still going to create opportunities for Javante Williams to get going and to balance out this offense and to allow Dak Prescott to cook and that's going to be their identity and their strength and you're absolutely right. Him and Brian Schottenheimer have a really good partnership going, and we saw it from week one, and we continue to see it. So I think this is what you should expect from the Cowboys.

2:05:17It was really nice to see George Pickens bounce back from that frustrating game in Chicago last week and come out tonight and catch eight balls for 134 yards and two touchdowns, including that clutch touchdown late in the game. But it also kind of demonstrates how they're working with, you know, chewing gum and duct tape on the defensive side, and this is the only way that they can play football. Now on the Packers side, you expect a stronger defense. That's what they were, you know, as of the fourth quarter of last week, the offense melted down in that game against the Browns, not the defense necessarily.

2:05:47They were put in bad positions. Tonight was a different story. Tonight's one of those games where you have to go back to the drawing board and see what did we do wrong? What was wrong with our tackling, especially on that Pickens touchdown? We're better than that. And I think it's a good wake-up call for them overall.

2:06:00Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, and I want to check out this Pickens touchdown because that was when, you know, things just really started to get real weird, you know after that dreary first half after prescott back and standing and fires it left and it's tough pick it circles away 10 5 pickens pile on pickens touchdown touchdown touchdown when we came back jordan i told you this this game reminded me way too much of the giants cowboys yeah right and the shootout that touchdown was scored with 43 seconds left in the fourth quarter and this game ended up going to overtime it was it was the same story almost except for one or two less Russell Wilson moon balls.

2:06:37It makes for entertaining content. It makes for a fun night of football, even if it ended in a tie. So that's all we can take. And by the way, Jordan, this game at one point was 13 to two. And the two points were scored on a return blocked field goal for two. It was a crazy night.

2:06:53Jourdan Rodrigue:We went from what the hell just happened chaotic bad to what the hell just happened chaotic good. And we finished in what the hell just happened chaotic neutral. So I like to say we've got some balance. And here on NFL Daily, we had great balance today. We had a plethora of people remote, in studio. You know, Nick, it was nice to kind of run things with you. I'm starting to get a little mad with power here. I'm looking forward to Monday night recaps with you this week. It's going to be super fun. You're such a pro. And you guys, when Bad Bunny is performing at halftime at the Super Bowl, you know football is back.

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