In short
NFL Daily’s “Top 25 Players of the Last 25 Years” series (episode 4). Nate Tice joins to debate and rank elite players, focusing on Nos. 11–8 and then No. 9.
Guests
Nate Tice (Yahoo Sports; hosts football podcast 301). He’s a lifelong NFL fan; his father Mike Tice coached Minnesota (2001–2005), giving Nate firsthand exposure to that era’s offenses.
Key claims
- Rob Gronkowski (No. 11) is the best tight end ever: rare “complete package” as elite blocker and elite receiver, dominant at peak, with high efficiency (career ~15 yards/catch cited) and frequent red-zone scoring.
- Darrell Revis (No. 10) is the definitive cover-corner of the last 25 years (“Revis Island”), enabling Rex Ryan’s aggressive scheme via man coverage and simulated pressure looks.
- Randy Moss (No. 9) is a “math changer” who warped coverages (especially cover-2) and helped drive record-setting offenses; Belichick credits Moss with teaching him.
- Ray Lewis (No. 8) is the top off-ball linebacker: all-time tackler, multiple first-team All-Pros, and a late-career resurgence (08–09 cited).
Notable examples
- Gronk: AFC title vs Broncos—double-covered 40-yard conversion on 4th-and-10; toe-tap TD; also Tampa Bay playoff dominance.
- Revis: 2009 Jets season vs elite receivers (Moss, TO, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne); interception vs Brady/Moss matchup example.
- Moss: 2007 Patriots with Brady—record-setting go-ahead TD connection; “shooting them” vs Packers; Vikings cover-2 beatdowns and long TDs.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction of Nate Tice
2:29 to 3:16
Nate Tice joins the show to discuss the top NFL players.
“Welcome to NFL Daily's Top 25 Players of the Last 25 Years.”
Discussing Rob Gronkowski - Player 11
3:16 to 4:00
In-depth discussion on Rob Gronkowski's career and impact.
“No, you threw some nice bait in the water to get me on this one.”
Gronkowski's Dominance and Versatility
4:00 to 6:28
Analyzing Gronk's unique skill set and his contributions to teams.
“And it's a 29-yard strike to the big boy!”
Gronk's Career Statistics and Comparisons
6:28 to 7:58
Comparing Gronk's stats to other tight ends and highlighting his achievements.
“And not only just like, oh, I test stuff.”
Gronk's Impact on the Game
7:58 to 10:46
Exploring how Gronk changed defensive strategies and influenced games.
“He had 1300 yards, 90 catches, 17 touchdowns.”
Gronk's Legacy and High-Pressure Moments
10:46 to 12:20
Reflecting on Gronkowski's legendary plays in crucial game situations.
“Aren't really great receivers guys like Josh Oliver right now, who's like a fine receiver, but Gronk was the best receiver.”
Gronkowski's Intelligence and Coaching
12:20 to 14:00
Discussing Gronk's football intelligence and adaptability under coaching.
“He ultimately had about seven seasons where he was on the field almost the entire time.”
Gronk's Legendary Plays and Impact
14:00 to 17:45
Explore the legendary plays and persona of Rob Gronkowski.
“And he catches a 40-yard catch in double coverage.”
Darrelle Revis: The Lockdown Corner
17:46 to 19:44
Discussing the unmatched skills and legacy of Darrelle Revis.
“And Chiefs fans who aren't happy about Kelsey, look, he got on the list.”
Rex Ryan's Defensive Strategy
19:45 to 23:20
How Rex Ryan's coaching style utilized Revis's unique skills.
“Like a Revis, Revis Island is a deserved nickname.”
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Revis vs. Top Receivers: A Dominating Performance
23:21 to 28:41
Examining Revis's dominance against top NFL receivers.
“Yeah, he came in talking such a big game.”
Revis vs. Top Receivers: A Dominating Performance
29:59 to 30:56
Examining Revis's dominance against top NFL receivers.
“Every player in the league has a scouting report.”
Randy Moss: A Game-Changing Receiver
32:11 to 36:47
Gregg and Nate discuss the incredible impact and legacy of Randy Moss in the NFL.
“It's all been a preamble to the real reason we had Nate Tice on this show.”
Debating Randy Moss's Place in History
36:48 to 42:00
An in-depth discussion on Randy Moss's rankings, stats, and memorable plays throughout his career.
“Cause, and you were like, I got short with you.”
Tom Brady and Randy Moss's Historic Play
42:00 to 43:38
Exploring the iconic touchdown play between Tom Brady and Randy Moss that set NFL records.
“Direct snap to Brady stands in the pocket, fires it to the right, down the right sideline and caught at the 2015.”
The Impact of Randy Moss on the Vikings
43:38 to 45:32
Discussing Randy Moss's influence on the Minnesota Vikings' offense and the dynamics he created.
“But there were so many moments like that, and you brought up a bunch of them already.”
Nostalgia and Growing Up Around the Vikings
45:32 to 47:57
Nate Tice shares his childhood experiences growing up with the Vikings and his father's coaching.
“Oh, Al Harris playing off, bit up on the route, and Randy Moss without even really being able to run as he shoots the moon to the fans here in Green Bay.”
Randy Moss's Memorable Quote
47:57 to 48:42
Recalling the famous 'Straight cash, homie' moment that highlighted Randy Moss's personality.
“of errors, you know, and then probably another will transition after that.”
Ray Lewis: The Prototypical Linebacker
48:42 to 51:50
Analyzing Ray Lewis's career and his significant impact on the linebacker position in the NFL.
“You know, he is the best tackler in the league.”
Ray Lewis's Versatility and Era-Bending Skills
51:50 to 56:01
Discussing Ray Lewis's ability to bridge two eras in the NFL with his unique skill set.
“But if you think about how great he was then in the beginning part of this career, who is he shutting down?”
Ray Lewis: A Game-Changing Linebacker
56:01 to 1:02:08
Explore the impact and legacy of Ray Lewis in NFL history.
“He's the only player in NFL history with 40 sacks and 30 interceptions.”
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Transcript
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3:01I felt really bad. I didn't know that when I first asked you but you just wanted to talk ball. We've got some personal connections on this show and so I'm really so excited that Nate Tice of Yahoo Sports check out his football podcast 301. You're with us today. We're going to have some fun. Yes. No, you threw some nice bait in the water to get me on this one. Yeah, it was like, it was not only just the one that I definitely have a connection to, the others that we're talking about were also like, yeah, yeah. Twist my arm to talk about these players. So no, happy to be here. Thanks for, it's all good.
3:34I got enough sleep to be able to talk about these players to try and remember my childhood a little bit with some of these. I know, I knew. So I wanted like, Like, Baldy is a perfect guess he was just on because he's covered the league the whole time. And so I was thinking about guys like that, like Steve Weiss, Kevin Harlan, guys like that, too. But I knew that even when Nate Tice was a wee lad, he was following this like it was his freaking job. So I can't wait to talk about these players. Let's go to our first one of the day. Number 11, Rob Gronkowski. From the Rams, 31. Shotgun snap to Brady.
4:06Dropping back. Lobs a throw for Gronkowski. Left side. Makes the catch. Over to a defender. Tumbling to the two! And it's a 29-yard strike to the big boy! His favorite tight end, the all-world tight end. What a catch! It's just crunch time. When it's crunch time, Tom loves to throw me the ball, and I love to make that play. Here's the snap out of the gun. Play action fake pass to Gronkowski. He's gonna score a touchdown! Touchdown, Tampa Bay! Holy guacamole! He breaks the record. He's got his 23rd touchdown of the postseason from Tom Brady. Rob does things that wide receivers do. Makes the grab at the 40.
4:40Rob does things that tight ends do, and Rob does things that all of its alignment do. Birkhead is into the end zone. Are you kidding me? What an amazing catch by Gronkowski. It's the play of the year. Oh, my. It is the play of the year. How the hell did you catch that? I love that clip of Tom Brady mic'd up, asking what a lot of us would ask of Rob Gronkowski throughout. I was like, how did you do that? A player like no other, number 11 on our list, the number one tight end on the list. And Nate, I'll start with how we started that clip because his last moment as a Patriot before he quote unquote retired the first time was essentially making the biggest play and winning a Super Bowl.
5:29And just the game before that, he walked the Chiefs down the field to help get to that Super Bowl. And I think of the conference championship game against the Broncos when they didn't have much. And he's just carrying them to almost force overtime in that game. And it's funny. You think of all the things and we'll get into the versatility and what made him great. But his ability there, and you saw the Bucs play too. Like he led the Bucs in receiving in that game. In a game with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown, like he led the Bucs. He had two touchdowns. He led them in receiving too.
6:04So coming through in the biggest of moments. And to me, this is a list about the highest level of excellence when they were at their best. And that to me is Rob Gronkowski. One of the most dominant players in NFL history at any position. And probably I'm glad you said he's the number one tight end on this list, which I agree with. I think he is the best tight end of all time. And I'm including players that are still playing. Maybe he should even be higher than number 11 on this list. But I like you backing me up. Yeah, it's just absolutely dominance. And not only just like, oh, I test stuff. just their statistical stuff, you know, the scoring in his second year, I believe it was all the touchdowns that he had, the yak that he had, he was throwing guys off of him.
6:44I always thought that Gronk was kind of looked like the kid that hit puberty early in little league and kind of was just be able to throw everybody off because he was so much bigger and stronger than everybody else. Like the only blemish on his entire career was that Miami Hail Mary play. Oh, come on. He's on defense. That's not his fault. That's the only one I have in his career. but one of the most dominant players, you even hinted at the versatility, like this guy, and in the video, the clips, they said that right there, he's catching fade balls, fade touchdowns, which were automatic. It felt like, and it wasn't, you know, the other tight end at that time that was doing that was what Jimmy Graham, you know, he was catching fade balls and most people hate fade, fade throws.
7:24I get it. But when you have that automatic answer, they're great. Like, it's really nice to have when you can just get about 80 % of the time. And, But the thing with Gronk, you know, Jimmy Graham was a glorified receiver that wanted to be called a receiver. Actually, Gronk was a blocker. That was what they said, too. And I'm like, not just like, oh, he was pretty good at it. It's like, no, an absolute one of the best blocking tight ends ever. On top of being one of the best receiving tight ends ever, probably one of the most dominant as well. So he was the complete package and probably just one of the best players at his peak compared to his peers like ever, I think.
7:57Yeah, you mentioned the second season. He had 1300 yards, 90 catches, 17 touchdowns. touchdowns. And he was always a touchdown maker. By far, the leader in touchdowns throughout his career compared to other tight ends, just like far and away. And still, and it's crazy when you have an all-time rate stat like this over some of the guys back in the day when the game was just different. But by far, the leader is in yards per catch of a tight end. So you think efficiency, like he managed to catch 15 yards per catch his entire career, Nate. So you don't quite, I don't think people immediately think of Gronk as a big play maker.
8:33And I want to get to the blocking and everything. But when you think of the efficiency of red zone, big plays, and the fact that he didn't go out for as many routes necessarily as some of the other tight ends, because he was in blocking and obviously very valuable, more valuable as a run blocker. It's just next level. And we spent a lot of the episode. Travis Kelsey was 25 on this list, Nate. And so Mina and I spent a decent amount of time kind of comparing. And for me, this list is more about how great you were at your greatest. And obviously you have to have some longevity. Rob Gronkowski had that.
9:09And to me, it's not that close because of that versatility. The way, and you can maybe explain this better than me as a real film guy, like the way that he tilted defenses because of the run pass option, because of how good he was as a blocker. Like, what did he do to the opposition? Like the guys that change the math or make the opposing team honor them. I think anybody who watched the NBA playoffs kind of feels this sometimes where you're like one guy's getting picked on over and over and over or one guy, you know, on defense or offense. And then the NFL, that's what it is week to week. Not saying other sports aren't.
9:44You can just see it more hyper focused in the playoffs. But in the NFL, Gronk's on the field as opposed to other tight ends, especially since about this time to now, they're more what we call receiving tight ends, Fs, Hs, guys that are off the ball or split out. Maybe a Sam Laporta is a guy that comes to mind. But you do not want Sam Laporta at the point of attack. As a defense, I can treat Sam Laporta more or less as a receiver, just a big receiver. He is a pass catcher, but I'm just going, yeah, he's a receiver to us. So that changes defensive looks, that changes what they can throw at you. And there's a lot a bad to that.
10:21There can be some good to that. You can take advantage of it. You can get an offense coordinator like Ben Johnson, but I would just say that that is just what it makes it harder on play callers and play designers because there's some limitations with Gronk. You can literally do anything. You can split him out one-on-one. You can attach him next to a tackle. You can run behind him. You do not have to hide him in the run game. You're actually using him as the point of attack. And that in itself is usually a guys that can do that. Aren't really great receivers guys like Josh Oliver right now, who's like a fine receiver, but Gronk was the best receiver.
10:53So it's just, that's that I actually think Travis Kelsey at 25 is like a tad low, but you, but you mentioned the 15 yards per catch in his career. Kelsey never hit that mark ever in a season, you know, like, like the highest that Kelsey ever had is 13.5 and 20. You're saying Kelsey shouldn't be on the list or he should be, should be higher. It's tough when you, when you see these names, they're the only they're the only two tight ends i mean then he's jumping over a guy like these are the quality of players you're jumping over though it's like walter jones and oh you know like this list is outrageous you know and terrell owens and and players like like that lamar jackson my statement you know just look at the list first but yeah that versatility is the difference of why he's that high to me yeah why yeah he's the why tight end no but it's there's i talk about rarity at a position like you're never it's gonna be i don't think we ever see a guy at this level that can do both things this well truly be elite blocking and an elite receiver and not just like oh he's good hands he's a number two number three he's like no he was the guy of a passing attack and in the red zone i it's just one of he's a unicorn player it's just one of those i wish he was always healthy and stuff and we always just got to see the true true of all of it but man the flashes are just the sustained flashes have been amazing.
12:12Yeah, it's fair to point out 2012, 2013, like what would have been right in the prime of his career suffered through some injuries and didn't stay on the field as much. But then he did bounce back. He ultimately had about seven seasons where he was on the field almost the entire time. And those seasons, like almost every one of them, he was first team all pro. And it's interesting to think about the different eras of Gronk because when he comes into the league 2010, he's a what 6 '6 tight end just a monster 264 pounds and you would think he would be like a high traffic and yeah he had some back injuries but that wasn't the only reason he got drafted low like people weren't sure if you go look at the nfl.com profile uh nate they were like is he really explosive enough like is he a good enough route runner like to be an explosive guy he got taken 17 spots nate behind tim tebow and uh i'm glad you pointed out the hands because to me that that stands out to me.
13:09Like he could go pick up a Tom Brady, almost a ground ball missile and just grab it off the turf. In addition to catching those fade balls that you mentioned, he was good coming out of in and out of his routes. Like I thought he was really good at that for his size. And I think about, I really do think about this Denver sequence that happened in the AFC championship game was, was one of the worst Patriots teams that got that far. Steven Jackson was their running back. And they're trying to win a game that they're heavy underdogs in. And it's fourth and 10. The season is over if you don't pick up fourth and 10.
13:49Denver, with a great defense, you know, the no-fly zone, is double covering him. They're like, we're not going to let Gronk beat us on this play. And he decides to just, like, run a go. I think it's his option because he's like, this is my best chance to beat them. And he catches a 40-yard catch in double coverage. to keep the season going. Then on fourth down, season is absolutely on the line, like once again, and he makes a crazy toe-tapping touchdown over a receiver in the back of the end zone to give them a chance to win that game. They don't get the two-point conversion. They lose by two.
14:22They needed that too. But it's like, that's the sort of legendary stuff that I think, for me, like at his very highest level, is just, he's just doing things other guys never did. And that to me is what I'm looking for when I'm looking at these top, like when we're getting now into the elite of the elite players at the very top of this list. Yeah. What the guys are like, man, I don't know if we oversee that again. That's really was. And also on top of it, I know what his persona is, but like as an on-field player, he's extremely smart. Like he's a very smart football player and understood landmarks and, you know, obviously could take tough coaching with under Belichick and stuff.
15:00But I think also that that's an underrated aspect with him. It was his understanding of where to get to, why he's getting there. You hear him talk some football, even like, uh, the no laying up guys, the golf podcasters, uh, golf guys, they would talk to him about their quarterback rankings. And he actually had like real tangible thoughts on quarterback rankings. It wasn't just like, Oh yeah, he's a baller. It was like, no, no, like he actually, you know, you could tell he's watching. Um, but you know, so it's, it's something that I think has also just been underrated with him. Uh, and you said that he dropped in the draft and um he's one of those guys and this always happens uh when a guy breaks out he's the he's the number one guy i would say where every or a lot of coaches and personnel guys go you know gronk was the number one guy on my board but uh you know just uh you know i had medicals like we had we had gold star rankings which meant which guy was your guy and he was he was my guy that year and i was like he went in the second round it wasn't like he went 22, you know, in the first or 26 in the first, it was like he went in the second round.
16:03So I just think he's always that, that funny. He's one of those all timers for me about that guy that was like, no, no, he was my guy, but we had this, this and that. And that's why we didn't take him. Hell, even the Patriots took someone ahead of him. Although it was Devin McCourty who had a fantastic dream. Yeah. There's this play. I remember when Jonas Gray, I think it was during his crazy game against the Colts, this running back for the Patriots who had one brief shining moment for them on a primetime game, scores a touchdown. And Gronk blocks one of their defensive backs, Sergio Brown, like into the stands.
16:40And he gets a penalty for it. And I've never seen Bill Belichick and the rest of the Patriots sort of like celebrating an unsportsmanlike penalty for Gronk because it was after the play, the touchdown still counted. And he just enjoyed, according to Gronk, like throwing them out of the club. It was feats like that. Feats like this next play. Let's look at one last Gronk play before we move on. They protected Brady. No sacks in the game for the bears. The spread offense continues. Brady gets time fires. It completes it to Gronkowski. Fights off Monday. Hits for the goal line. Touchdown. The beast is loose.
17:17Wow. It's like Daniel Mounted out there. Check his birth certificate. It really is that. You mentioned, yeah, the guy going through puberty early. I mean, for some people, Nate, I'm speaking out of experience. That just means like shooting up to 5 '5 in seventh grade and maybe being like a shooting guard for one year instead of the point guard. One shining moment. So it doesn't work out the same for everyone. But that was the man, Rob Gronkowski. And Chiefs fans who aren't happy about Kelsey, look, he got on the list. It's an honor just to be nominated. That's true of anyone in our entire top 10.
17:55We've reached the top 10. Let's go. Number 10, Darrell Rivas. With the 14th pick in the 2007 NFL draft, the New York Jets select Darrell Rivas, cornerback, Pittsburgh. Pennington from the pocket. Has time, lobs it to the corner. Revis with the coverage, and Revis pulls it down one-handed. Darrell Revis was there, and Ted Ging grabbed him by his shoulder pads and drug him down. You know, there's a lot of good corners in this league, but there's only one Darrell Revis. Let's go! Don't be afraid to be great tonight! Don't be afraid to be great! Let's go out here and make plays! Let's make history, baby!
18:40Let's go! Ball out on three! One, two, three! Ball out! And to the Jets fans, I guess it's safe to say we've been through a lot together. Thank you for believing in me and supporting me every step of the way. You will always have a place to stay on Revis Island. Four first-team All-Pros, a member of the Hall of Fame's All-2010's first team. The most passes defensed in the first five years of his career by a good amount. And stats don't really define Darrell Revis. but like Gronk to me at his very best. I think he's the best at his position that I've seen since covering the league. Do you agree?
19:24Nate Tice? Yes. Yes. Him. I'm counting just the last 25 years. Ramsey. Ramsey's up there. Woodson did not even make this. Sertain the second is going to get there, but it's, but it's, yeah, but he's going to get there. I mean, he just went DPOI. So I'm not like saying anything outlandish here, but yeah, he's going to get there. But no, yes, I would say he's the definitive one though. Like a Revis, Revis Island is a deserved nickname. Like his, his reputation is deserved because there's nobody quite like this. It's why Rex Ryan could be Rex Ryan at the New York Jets is because of Darrell Revis, which you can't say that about a lot of defenders.
20:01Yeah. Speak to that. So Rex has talked about that 2009 season as it was happening, since it was happening. and he was so mad that DeRivas actually didn't win defensive player of the year that year. That was Charles Woodson's crazy statistical year as kind of a safety hybrid player for the Packers. And Woodson won it. And I remember at the time thinking, man, it's hard to knock this because Woodson had so many game-changing plays. But in that 2009 season, I think as just a pure cover corner, I have not seen anyone else do it like that. And I'll just go through the players that he went against during that season.
20:39Randy Moss two times, Terrell Owens a couple of times, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne. And none of those players, Nate, went over 35 yards in any of their games like against Terrell Revis. You mentioned how he helped Rex do what he did. Could you explain sort of like what he unlocked for the rest of that defense? well because rex ryan was bringing so i mean so much heat especially then especially in that era when he was such an outlier um actually a lot of what the modern nfl does is really rex ryan right um a lot of it and it's really cool to see actually but with rex ryan it was because of what he ran behind all the funky blitzes and the creepers and simulated pressures that they call him is he put the you know the corners would be in a lot of one-on-one situations um now today you know there's some high-end corners but I actually say think corner play like the standard of it the the floor of it has risen but the stars are still hard to find is that defenses now go we'll just run cover two behind this look we'll run like a zone a version of zone behind this look while Rex Ryan could just go well we're gonna run these blitzes and I can run any look behind it I I don't just have to run a safer cover two.
21:59I can run man to man. I can run cover three with these situations that puts a guy on creates one on one situations and good quarterbacks and receivers really, especially in the NFL. It's usually called a gash or be gash world. All right. You're going to blitz us if we have the town or we can block it up or we have the dudes at quarterback and receiver. We're going to hit a big play against you, but against these Jets teams and why they were so good in that era, so good that they were able to make final four runs. with weaker offenses was that they could just blitz blitz blitz or fake blitz and run all these creeper simulated looks and no matter what they could have a revis cover the number one guy and they didn't have to be run a more passive look behind it they could stay aggressive and it's just that's what these these are the guys that we're talking about we just said you just mentioned hey top 10 top 11 top 15 we're talking about real needle movers this is a skeleton key kind of kind of player.
22:53That's what really, really good corners can do is that they just true outside lockdown corners is they can let you be aggressive because now you can really only have to cover two and a half seconds or if your blitz doesn't get there, you can hold on for three, three and a half seconds in theory with these types of guys. It just allows defenses to be more aggressive. And then he just went with the aggressive guy and Rex Ryan, just one of those perfect marriages, a player, other aspects of this team. And then the coach to kind of wield him at that time. Yeah, he came in talking such a big game. Rex immediately, before he even had Revis for a game, said, oh, he's the best cornerback in the league he's going to be.
23:28And he hadn't really shown that level of play yet, but he saw the vision. And yeah, in that season, 31 passes defense and six interceptions, and he gave up 41 completions on, I think it was 111 attempts at him. So people were trying him a little bit. So if you do the math there, you're throwing for about 30 % when you throw it to Revis. And these are the best wide receivers in the league. And when you do throw it on those, when you're completing at 30 % of the time, there is almost an equal chance that a guy makes a catch as Darrell Rivas touches the ball. And so that level of total dominance, it was a demanding style of play.
24:06It didn't hold up as well throughout his whole career, but the brilliance that he had for that stretch with the Jets and then coming back around, it did contribute to him being the top cornerback for me on that list. He was awesome in that 2014 Patriots season. So that was like the era of the Miami Heat super team. And that Revis pickup kind of felt like it because the Patriots were knocking on the door, knocking on the door. And they got a great Revis season in 2014. And Malcolm Butler helped deliver Darrell Revis and everyone else on that team a championship. It's such a hard position to sustain high-level play because it's just twitchiness.
24:48You look at any sport that requires athleticism or just even quick twitch athleticism. It's why you look in combat sports. It's why smaller fighters age quicker. It's because so much is around in speed. And that's what outside positions are kind of like in the NFL. I think Revis, if he came into the league five years later, he would have an even more extended career. He had a nice career. But I'm saying he would have maybe caught on for maybe two, three more years. because all that zone stuff I talked about, I think he would have been really nice in those types of systems where he could have been like a number two corner that's on your roster.
25:28He's going to kind of play like an above average corner that can really just hold his own because you're going to just run so many zone looks. And that was the thing we talked about, the man-to-man looks and lockdown Revis Island. His body positioning was excellent. He just knew how to position his body and get his hands on the ball. and I think that's just why he would have aged better if he just came into the league even a little bit later. Like you say, it's just such a demanding ask to just play that way. Right. Oh, you know, actually, modern comparisons. Stephon Gilmore is last year with Minnesota.
26:01Gets in a Brian Flores defense that's a little bit more zone-heavy with all the funky looks. I think Rivas would have kind of aged that way as well. The crazy thing with Rivas, though, is like the rest of the Jets would be in zone, but Revis would just be in man. Like Rex talked about that. Just like, okay, the rest of the team is doing one thing, and I've got Revis, as you mentioned, doing something else. Let's look at Darrell Revis, and he might be going up against someone else that's on this list. This is Revis down here on 81, Randy Moss. Brady, going to go deep for Moss. Revis is there and picked it off.
26:40And is brought down by Moss, back at the 16-yard line. That's like a perfect example of what I was talking about. They've ran a blitz. Jim Leonard, of course, the Rex Ryan's favorite player ever, who's with the Broncos right now, gets home. Tom Brady has to throw a goalball to Moss, which usually is like guaranteed touchdown. One-on-one. There's the blitz. Jim Leonard free. One-on-one. It should be what you want and it turns into a pick. I mean, that should be a touchdown. Like, that's the... Those are math changers. That's why, like, Daryl Rebus is Daryl Rebus. Yeah. It was like a perfect example.
27:13It was such a good matchup for those years because famously, Moss' first game with the Patriots, he goes deep on Rivas, who was coming off an injury at the time. And that's an all-time touchdown for him. And then that's an all-time interception for Darrell Rivas. One of the best to do it. Let's take a quick break. And we may just have spoiled who's on the other side.
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32:47I ain't going to bite you. I'm just going to hurt you. And Smith finds Moss for the first down and more. There goes Randy Moss down the sideline. Randy Moss on Monday night. What else is new? Goldfeffer looking for Randy Moss. Touchdown. Unbelievable. With one hand. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Randy Moss. Moss flanked wide to the right for a long count. Now Brady takes. Brady looks. Brady throws. Touchdown. Touchdown. Randy Moss wide open at the near side of the end zone. Finishing there with a go-ahead touchdown with under three minutes to go in what I would say was the greatest drive of Tom Brady's career.
33:30And yet it never gets remembered because something called the helmet catch happened a few minutes later in a game where they had no answers. It made so much sense in that 2007 season that it was Randy Moss that puts them over the top. Man, that that whole clip just brings back all the memories like Tirico on Monday Night Football. That was fun. Gus Johnson is in the mix. Randy Moss over Darrell Rivas. And then obviously his days with the Vikings. Nate well you were you were a ball boy back in the day what was going on what was your experience with with the Randy Moss era uh it warped my perception on NFL athletes and athletes in general for my entire life oh yeah this is normal you know this is this is just what you see every day uh and then realizing as I've gotten older that I might again might not see that ever again just like when we're talking about Gronk talking about unicorns talking about once in a lifetime athletes like that's randy moss to me uh like he i mean he's all of six four could legitimately run a four three you know people say below that but legitimately a four three um the greatest hands ever the greatest ball skills ever um also another guy that's a football genius um believe it or not like really is uh as far as just body positioning and understand know, coverages like really, really advanced level and just, just the package of all of it.
34:53And also just, again, age is actually okay for a minute with the 49ers where he almost had like a Vince Carter late career where he was kind of his athleticism, let it be okay, you know, for a minute. But when you talk about that seven year dominance, you know, it's almost like Shaq, like you, it's just one of the, I actually, when you told me the guys that we're going to talk about, I thought we're going to be a, maybe a chunk higher because this guy was included of Randy Moss because I just, I don't think it's just, he's just the once in a lifetime type player to me. I know I have some biases with that, but I think anyone that watched him and see, don't just watch a game, one game in that kind of Oh two to Oh five era.
35:31Oh four era in Minnesota, really 99. Oh, 98 to Oh four. Yeah. Yeah. But really when the Randy ratio kind of started and just watch him kind of take over 2003, watch them against the Packers in 2003 and you'll just watch a drive where it's like the that first clip you guys had and that was 2003 as well as Gus Farad threw him the ball against the 49ers and even on that play we we talk about certain players change the league as far as scheme and everything Lawrence Taylor is the famous example Randy Moss is the same like the proliferation of cover two also helped that the NFL FC Central featured the Tampa Bay Buccaneers but cover two became more it happened more league-wide because teams go well that's how we have to stop Randy Moss.
36:12Otherwise, it's singled up automatic touchdown. But you watch that first play. It's Gus Farad, backup quarterback, launching a ball against cover two, which should be impossible. It should be double cover two guys with him with a safety that should be over the top of him. And he's passed him. So talk about math changers, just guys that break the space-time continuum of football. That was Randy Moss. And I stand by it. It's the greatest athlete I'll probably ever see in my life. I love it. I'm glad you're pushing back that he should be even higher. I think I sent you a text at one point when I was like, would I be crazy to have Megatron over Randy Moss?
36:49Cause, and you were like, I got short with you. You were just mad. I had Moss even lower. I had him 12 for, okay. I will defend myself at least in terms of why he's not even higher. And at this point they're all just so good that you're not including 98. You're splitting hairs. Yeah. You don't count 98. The best. That's fair. Rookie season of all time by, I think for the era, in terms of, you know, the fact that he was, because Pukunakua's numbers are crazy, but for the era, right, to get MVP votes. He was third in the MVP that year, Randy Moss. He led the league in touchdowns as a rookie wide receiver.
37:23It was just stuff that you'd never seen before. So that doesn't count. And then he has the pop-up seasons, Nate. He has the four first-team All-Pros, but I'm only counting three. But in terms of the breadth of, as, you know, the entire career, It was like a little less in the other guys at other positions, not even at wide receiver, because ultimately Randy Moss is my highest receiver on this list. I thought they're incredible excellence at the very top. Plus they added like a sprinkling of a little, a few more extra years, but that I'm just splitting hairs. You're making me talk negatively about Randy Moss.
37:57This is preposterous. He's in the top 10. We're in the top 10. I know it's so tough with all this and I get it. And I, again, when I, I know what I saw. It's one of those. Just the highlight reel moment. Not even, oh man, now you're just making me go down memory lane. I mean, just the lateral play against the Broncos. You know, to Mo Williams. Again, just the football genius to him, the sports genius. There's a play, this would have been 0-4 against the Saints. And I want to say it was Sunday night. It was Sunday or Monday night. And Dante Culpepper throws it 60 yards into the back corner of the end zone.
38:35And again, it was Randy Moss beating cover two on a third and like 15. And just talk about math breakers of Dante throwing as far as he could. Randy running by everybody and catches in the very, very corner of the end zone. It's one of my favorite throws and catches ever. But he made that on the regular. Like he did those like on a week to week basis where it was just truly highlights. I mean, I mean, I mean, anyone that owned them in fantasy, even the odds, it would be like he would have games where even if he got taken out of the game, right, they would find a way for him to score in the red zone or something because he was another fade guy.
39:05that was dominant on fades where he would have games where it'd be like four catches, 22 yards, two touchdowns, you know, like he would have like random games like that. Like, look it up. Uh, Oh, three week one Cowboys. He had a game like that. I love that you're pulling all of these just totally out of thin air. Exactly. No, but it's, it's, it's really just one of those players. Again, I don't think we'll see that combination of traits. Um, we might see big and fast guys that can run some routes. we might see guys that can catch everything and be fast but maybe at 510 it's just that combination of size speed ball skills all rare um and one of my you know if you want a neutral party um i said this in the draft process because we're talking about travis hunter because i said travis hunter's ball skills are like a mini randy moss is that uh bobby bowden said that you know uh that deon Sanders was his parameter for athleticism.
39:59And he said, Randy Moss is a bigger Deion Sanders. And that, I mean, come on. That's really what we're talking about here. But yeah, probably my favorite player ever. Probably will never be topped. And I got to see a lot of cool things watching him in practice and games up close and personal. There's so much about that I could dig into. Well, first, I do want to point out because I was talking about how he didn't stack as many dominant seasons. Let's not get it like carried away. He's fourth all time in receiving yards and he's second in touchdowns. Like he has the cumulative counting stats. He's second in a hundred yard receiving game.
40:37He's third in like thousand yard season. So he, Karen stinks. Cause he's second in the home run. He has all of those numbers too. So I love what you said about how he changed the game. And that I think is important. If we're going to put a player this high, when he got to new England, Bill Belichick tells that story and they're going through how things are going to go different. And Randy is just like, well, yeah, but you're not going to face any single high anymore. That's gone. You couldn't watch film. Everyone got to play them differently. Right. He's like, don't worry about how we're going to handle those defenses.
41:11And Belichick often said how Randy Moss taught him more than almost any other player he's ever coached. He said, certainly the smartest receiver he's ever coached and one of the smartest players overall, and that they kept adding different kind of two-way goes into an option routes into how he ran because he could handle that. And a lot of the time, a lot of his touchdowns you saw were like he's coming inside and then he breaks back out to the corner. And that was all like intelligence and him and Tom Brady, two geniuses being on the same page. And if we want to get into just like numbers again, they combine for the greatest season ever between a quarterback and a wide receiver.
41:57Let's let's check out a clip. Third down and 10 for the Patriots at their own. Thirty five. Direct snap to Brady stands in the pocket, fires it to the right, down the right sideline and caught at the 2015. 15, 10, 5. Touchdown, Patriots. Tom Brady to Randy Moss. And they each have set NFL records on the go-ahead touchdown. 65-yard bomb. Brady to Moss. For Tom Brady, touchdown pass number 50. An NFL record. For Randy Moss, touchdown reception number 23. An NFL record. One play. Bang, bang. They both set NFL records. It is really crazy to think about that because Ty Warren, or who was it that grabbed Eli Manning's jersey and couldn't get him to the ground on that play.
42:46Like if he, if they're able to do that, if the Patriots defense comes up big with that lead against the giants, then Randy Moss breaks the all time record in receiving touchdowns on a game winning, like huge long touchdown to go 17 and O to end the regular season. And they were losing that game. It was the right, it was like week 17 and it was, it was in the fourth quarter and he breaks that network. It was a big special NFL network. Yes, it was. It was a big spot for NFL Network and Brian Gumbel, I believe, at the time. And so that's what he does in the regular season. And then he finishes that season out by winning the Super Bowl, by catching the game-winning touchdown with under three minutes left.
43:29And it's crazy how much differently we would remember just that season, as magical and as memorable as it is, if their defense just finishes out that play. But there were so many moments like that, and you brought up a bunch of them already. I love it. I mean, it's not a coincidence. He was on the two teams that set the point record, scoring record, 98 Vikings, and then 07 Patriots. He was a big reason for that. No, all the memories, and again, that covered two stories, the one I always come back to. And that Belichick, I was so cool for me to hear the Belichick version of that and the Patriots version of that because that's what I would hear Scott Linehan and my dad talking about in Minnesota.
44:12was that they couldn't use film from previous weeks because nobody was playing cover two every snap. And if you look, again, the gravity of this, there's a couple of receivers that get this now. Justin Jefferson, which is fun, another Viking gets this treatment as well. But if you look too, as those Vikings teams had awesome run games is because, and that is something, again, changing the math. So it's just not only his stats, it's how he made everyone else's lives easier. if you're drawing double coverage that means everyone else gets singled up jermaine wiggins had his career year with with randy moss in minnesota yeah former patriot as well yes was there some meldy more uh randy moss they were kind of like the two twin towers though they were setting each other up i feel like and then nate burleson in there uh yeah no but no yeah meldy more no but that was actually a big because that would they would get sorry i'm just you're just making me rant now but it's uh they would get all the cover too and the running back would be iso'd up on like some big linebacker with a neck roll so they had all these receiving running backs that were able to just when ontario smith was the other guy that would just win these one-on-ones it would just be cheating you know just little one-on-one matchups because randy moss was taking so much coverage yeah but let's look at one more fun highlight from uh the vikings era which is remembered uh for a variety of reasons
45:33Moss. Randy Moss is in for a touchdown. Oh, Al Harris playing off, bit up on the route, and Randy Moss without even really being able to run as he shoots the moon to the fans here in Green Bay. That is a disgusting act by Randy Moss, and it's unfortunate that we had that on our air live. That is disgusting by Randy Moss. let's get back to the play Randy great job by the way by Chris and Troy what a booth by the way Joe Buck Chris Collinsworth and Troy Aikman Collinsworth just rips out shoot the moon in the middle of a sentence very naturally Buck cuts him off and then Troy you could tell the disdained Troy's voice was kind of like calm down buddy and was like alright let's get back to the play what a moment.
46:23Troy's right Troy's right that wasn't called in the huddle it was a it was a run play and once again the packers had ran man coverage and they and it was just a signal from pepper cold pepper to randy and if you even watch on it they're not pass blocking everyone's run blocking and so he just skirts out to the right and just throws it but yeah again math changer and that was on the high ankle sprain as well yeah so shooting them and then that's also god you're just making me just rattle off this is like nostalgia for me so you also notice the afro Yeah. That was Kelly Campbell, Nate Burleson, Randy, a couple other guys, Jermaine Wiggins, and the Afros stood for America's finest receivers on Sunday.
47:04Oh. Or Saturday, because there's a game they play on Saturday. Yeah, just a little aughts. I love that. I can just... What was it like for a little Nate Tice there? Yes, for listeners that aren't aware, your father, Mike, coached the team from 2001 to 2005. A lot of offense in that time. carnival teams uh yeah a lot a lot of points and again that's what i thought was normal i thought playing in a dome was normal uh i grew up in the kingdom in the metrodome so those were the yeah i thought that was the i thought multi-use stadiums was normal as well um but yeah no but it was it was awesome i got to see a lot of cool players a lot of cool offenses a very fun division too um and very fun period of the nfl we've talked about this off air but it was a it was just a when I went to 32 teams, it was right when my dad became a full-time head coach in 2002.
47:56And that felt like a transitioning of errors, you know, and then probably another will transition after that. But like right at that point in time, it was defenses were changing, offenses were changing, getting a little bit more wide open again there. You know, it wasn't just as run heavy. So I thought it was a very cool time period. It was very fun though, but those Minnesota teams were a little wild, a little wild, you know, like, you know, lax character rules was the money ball. The love boat was involved and that play we just saw actually inspired. I had forgotten this, that that was the play that inspired the famous quote from Randy Moss when they asked him in the parking lot how he was going to pay for the fine.
48:40Straight cash, homie. Let's go to our next player. Number eight, Ray Lewis. Good protection. Intercepted by Ray Lewis. And Lewis is on his way. He's going to go for a touchdown. Oh my. You know, he is the best tackler in the league. As far as I'm concerned, when he gets his hands on you, you can forget it. You are going down. When I step on the field, the reason I'm on the field is to prove to the people that I'm the best. You know, when you talk about a middle linebacker, when I step on the field, I want to make sure when I walk off it, you know you just see me. Here's Lewis playing on special teams.
49:22Oh, I tell you, that's worse than a boom. That's one that loosens your teeth. This is your entertainment. God put me here to give y 'all entertainment. Ray Lewis, the highest off-ball linebacker on this list. We had Luke Keekly there at 14, but ultimately Ray gets the top spot. All-time tackler, seven first-team All-Pros, which is just outrageous. He kind of had that peak early in his career, and then he tacked on this period from 08, 09, like 10, where he suddenly was popping off again. Two Defensive Player of the Year votes. Very few players in NFL history have ever gotten that. Two more seasons, by the way, where he got some MVP votes.
50:05Three more where he got Defensive Player of the Year votes. So for a long time, Ray Lewis was looked at like not just at the best at his position, but as just one of the best players in the NFL. What what stands out to you first when you think about Ray Lewis? Kind of like the first modern linebacker as far as coverage, blitzing, run ability was big enough to stop the run as well. Can run sideline to sideline, but also has the intelligence and just understanding, you know, defensive calls. as well. Kind of that total package. I feel like before that, because of what the NFL was, it was so run heavy, you know, some run and shoot stuff was coming around, but most linebackers had the neck roll.
50:48There were big thumpers that had to take on fullbacks. Ray Lewis felt like a linebacker that was meant to cover single back offenses. And maybe there's others in this era, but he was like, okay, this is the prototype that everyone else is chasing. And then again, And another guy that it's where is it the scheme? It's where the scheme and the player unlock each other, where he is helping the scheme out because he can do so much. He can cover. That's the thing that stands out to me. I just keep coming back to is that he could cover like Derek Brooks would be another linebacker like this at this time that was like, okay, this is a coverage linebacker that can, but also do other things.
51:24But Ray Lewis was thick enough to stop a guy right at the line of scrimmage as well and live in the box as well. wasn't just a big stiff. So that's where we're talking about these needle movers, game changers, math changers, whatever you want to say. And Ray Lewis felt like the new prototype for the 2000s when he was kind of hitting his prime. And even though he hit it maybe a year or two before the aughts, but really just once he was into the 2000s, it's like he was the dude at that position. I love you starting with that point because when I went back to kind of read about Lewis's career as part of doing this and talk about his career, more than one player kind of pointed that out exactly, Nate, that he almost straddled two eras.
52:10So if you think about the peak of Ray Lewis's career, and he might not be in the top 10 or might not even be on this list if it hadn't worked out that that year where he wins Defensive Player of the Year and wins the Super Bowl MVP, which is just something that's like an all-time year that happened to be 2000. So he just made the cutoff. But if you think about how great he was then in the beginning part of this career, who is he shutting down? He's shutting down Jerome Bettis and Eddie George and Fred Taylor. Like those matchups against Eddie George were epic. And that was what made him great.
52:48And then when you start to think about the back half of his career, it really was the versatility and the coverage. So many of his best plays, when you're looking at his highlights, are just fooling quarterbacks, making quarterbacks look stupid. And I think that that gets lost when you talk about Ray Lewis. Mike Nolan was one of his coaches, Nate, and he mentioned that he was Lawrence Taylor's coach. And this is a hot take, but Mike Nolan said he thinks Ray Lewis is the best defensive player ever because the difference is there was no escaping him. You could not run away from him. You could have Lawrence Taylor on the edge or other great edge defenders ever.
53:29But there was no play where you could escape kind of the matrix of Ray Lewis, whether it was run left, run center, run right, pass left, pass center, pass right. Obviously, you can throw it over the top of his head. But it's true in a way that he impacted the game on a down-to-down basis like few other defensive players. When the kind of West Coast offense went from, you know, it went from just Bill Walsh, or Bill Walsh was the proliferator of it, to like more commonplace in the 90s. Really, the crux of the passing game of the West Coast offense is get these big linebackers on an island against our fast running backs and make them cover over and over and over.
54:11And oh, wow. All of a sudden, we all have these receiving backs making all these catches. It's great. That's where Ray Lewis kind of like, stop that. Like where it's just like, that doesn't become just a clear advantage. If you, the common theme, I think just getting through all these guys, And this is when we're talking about these needle movers is these are the guys that create matchups. They create wins no matter who they go against, which is the sign of a great player. Even when you're scouting a guy, it usually is. What can they do consistently? Who can they beat consistently? Not every time, just consistently.
54:40And Ray Lewis or these elite guys that we're talking about, it's like, well, it doesn't matter the matchup. They're winning consistently. And that's the sign of a great player. and I was just even as you as you were saying his first year or the first year of this millennium 2000 you know Ray Lewis was listed like 235 I think he came into the league at the other all pro linebackers are like Jeremiah Trotter Jeremiah Trotter is listed at 262 okay so just talk about the other guys of this era Sam Cowart for the Bills listed at 248 Stephen Boyd of the Lions listed at 247, six foot 247. So all these like just hammerheads, big guys, big bodies.
55:23Ray Lewis was athletic, but like I, your point was perfect. He bridged the two errors. That was this time period. That was the late nineties into the two thousands, which was bridging eye formation, early West coast stuff. Now getting into a little bit more spread, more single back stuff throughout the league, more two tight ends, more three receivers, but it's a linebacker that can stay on the field all three downs it was so commonplace at this time period to have the true true because remember two defenses were signaling to go true this is our base down defense and this is our late down defense our nickel defense you know nickel wasn't as common as it was now but back then it was linebackers would just fully get swapped off where it was like okay this is like and now that becomes such a tell that offenses are like oh we'll pick on that we know which looks you're getting to but ray lewis felt like one of these linebackers where it was like i can be on the look I could be on the field no matter what like Mike Nolan's alluding to like he can just impact the game in all those ways so yeah it's just all these it's so much fun to talk about all these guys because I feel like I'm I'm repeating myself a little bit but that's what these guys were well yeah we're at this part of the list especially and they're they're the best at their very positions they help change the position and you think about him too he's the only player and it's a weird stat for him because I mentioned how he's like the all-time leading tackler and everything.
56:40He's the only player in NFL history with 40 sacks and 30 interceptions. You don't necessarily think of him like first as a blitzer or in coverage, although I think you should in coverage, but to combine those sort of big plays at multiple levels. And yeah, he got drafted in 96. So it's tricky. Like him and Ogden, Ogden in the end didn't make this list because his best part of his career was early. And Ray Lewis did make two second-team All-Pros, even got some defensive player of the year votes before 2000 and a first-team All-Pro. But even after 2000, it's another five or six first teams and another second team, and he's just racking up plays.
57:21And to me, he kind of defines that position. It's a position where it's a tough spot to make, for instance, the NFL 100 all-time team. and he was an obvious guy to be on it. Let's listen to Bill Belichick actually as part of that NFL 100 broadcast. You could play the run. You could play the pass. You could blitz.
57:45You had great instincts, could handle the defense. You knew your team well. You knew what they could do. And you certainly knew the opponents well and you knew how to defend what they tried to do. So it's obvious that your preparation paid off. Let me deal with the pump and go. That's why I'm sitting so high on that. But he got to play that. Remember, we're playing Brady. It's a chess match. What? What? What? What? Yeah. What? I hate it playing against you. I hate it playing against you. That was Ray Lewis and Tom Brady in that second to last clip there going, what, what, back and forth to each other.
58:24and Belichick, who loves to include himself in the history, because he should, points out to Ray Lewis in that conversation. And they're looking at each other in the eyes. I mean, it is intense as he's telling him what a great player is. He points out that actually Belichick made the trade for the extra first the year before he got fired in Cleveland. So they had that extra first sitting there because of Bill Belichick. He was not around to see them take Ray Lewis. And that is an amazing just crossing of paths. It would have been cool to see Belichick, Coach Ray Lewis. But the other side of that is because of Bill Belichick, they're in position to take Jonathan Ogden.
59:04Right, right. I will speak for Belichick here. And because of Art Modell, they were in position. As Belichick likes to point out, it's not great for your season when you announce the team is moving halfway through the year. and you got fans ripping up seats. It's not great. Mike Singletary had a quote when I was looking up too, and he coached Ray Lewis. I don't know if you remember that, that he was a position coach back then. And I love it when all-time greats give up the flowers to other similar ones. And Singletary says, yeah, I see the comparison. Like he always got compared to Singletary, but he's like, Ray is better.
59:45And he said he thought Ray is better physically and mentally. and Shannon Sharp had a quote, and I think this has to be said when talking about Ray Lewis, he thought he's the greatest leader in the history of team sports. Rod Woodson said, who had been around and been on a lot of different teams too, said, I've never been a teammate with someone that was such a giant force of personality that he truly dragged all of us with him. And when he's talking about us, he's talking about Hall of Fame guys like himself, that he's never been around someone that was able to like just collectively bring up the energy of every single person around him.
1:00:27And I think that is part of the reason why I put him here. That sort of consistency over a career like that, give him a little extra, bump him up a few spots. Yeah, I don't want to have Moss over him, but the eye. Yeah, I know you would. This is what I'm going to do now, Nate. Every single rest of the guy on the list, I'm going to be like, should I have put Randy Moss over him? Like maybe, maybe I agree with you, Either way, I got to see who comes in higher. I got it. And then I'll probably be like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a lot of quarterbacks. We have a lot of quarterbacks. Yeah. And I totally get that.
1:00:59No. And Ray Lewis, too. I know we're talking about pros and 2000s. It's like he's he's the you like he's the he epitomizes Miami as well. Just that competitive nature as well. But yeah, I'm glad he brought that up. The leadership stuff as well. Like that has to be said. And again, epitomizes what that Ravens defense, which I. is always going to be in my brain as like what I thought was the more most fearful, scariest defenses. Those 2000s Ravens defenses. Those are the ones in my brain as they are the bar. 2000 Ravens is the best defense of the best of my lifetime. I mean, dominant. They snuffed out everybody.
1:01:35It was just it was it was ridiculous. It was a different era in a way. And they helped. I think I think some of the rule changes were partly because of like how good the Ravens and the Bucks following them up were. But yeah, they are the absolute best. And so I love having Ray Lewis as a representative for them. Nate, you did it. I hope your daughter has not woken up from her nap yet. And I appreciate you taking the time to take a trip down memory lane. Thank you, buddy. This was fun. Thank you for letting me rant. I felt like a comedian getting the red light during the Randy Moss segment no not at all I could I could keep going flashing it to me what I found with this is like I could do a whole episode I could do a whole episode on Randy Moss or any of these guys it's unbelievable he's Paul Bunyan that's kind of how it goes but thank you for having me always fun Greg our next episode will be the fifth edition of NFL Daily's 25 players in 25 years and we will be joined by the legendary play-by-play announcer, Kevin Harlan.
1:02:41He will help us cover players seven through four, and hopefully somewhere, Nate Tice will be listening and being angry that Randy Moss wasn't ranked over them.
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Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Yahoo! Sports' Nate Tice to reveal numbers 11 through 8 of NFL Daily's Top 25 Players of the Last 25 Years. Gregg and Nate kick of this tier of players with tight end Rob Gronkowski at number 11 (01:30), Pro Football Hall-of-Famer Derrelle Revis at number 10 (15:30), Pro Football Hall-of-Famer Randy Moss at number 9 (25:30), and wrap up the show with Pro Football Hall-of-Famer Ray Lewis at number 9 (42:05).
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