32 Takeaways from AFC Coaches Breakfast and Dave Canales Steals the Show

16:33Nick Shook:And I mean, look, this is a guy who's been there and had a lot of success for a while now. So it's not like you're questioning his ability to get the job done. It's just a matter of bringing everybody together. This happens from time to time, even with established coaches, sometimes the vibes are just bad one year and you need that offseason reset so Packers fans are going to hope that they're able to reset and start off on a better foot obviously winning cures a lot of that they

16:54Dave Canales:have drafted really well at receiver but it it is tricky to build a receiver room where you're trying to get four or five guys fed look the first round pick Matthew Golden didn't have a lot of time last year when Watson came back maybe that Christian Watson came back maybe that cut into what Romeo Dobbs and so it's just it's tricky to keep everyone happy one guy who's probably happy is Kirk Cousins because everyone seems to want him as their backup quarterback. It includes the Packers. Why are you pumping your fist?

17:21Nick Shook:Because that's one of my notes that I just wrote on the side was, in all caps, everybody wants Kirk Cousins.

17:27Dave Canales:Well, you mentioned it in context with a guy who did speak Tuesday, Clint Kubiak. So why don't you talk about the Raiders are another team potentially in the mix. And Matt LaFleur volunteered Kirk Cousins' name.

17:40Nick Shook:Yeah, and he's not the only coach. Sean McVay did it yesterday as well. He was just like, oh, yeah, by the way, for our backup job, it's Jimmy G or maybe it's Kirk Cousins, which I thought, you know, was a little bit eyebrow raising. It just shows how much he's in demand. But Kubiak said that, you know, the Raiders, he wants to add a veteran quarterback to the room. Obvious, especially when you're anticipating they'll select Fernando Mendoza, number one. And, you know, Kirk seems to be a good fit there, although he didn't say that outright, unlike the other two coaches. But we've projected them as a good fit as well.

18:07Nick Shook:And he's also talked about how the ideal situation in 2026 would be a rookie watching, quote, mature adult go and run an offense and run the team, end quote. So I think he's a fan of sitting the young guy and letting a veteran get the job done. And they just need to go find that veteran now.

18:26Dave Canales:Right. And he went a little far saying, like, you don't know if he's going to start week one of 2026 or week one of 2027. And I'm thinking, well, there's no way he's waiting till week one of 2027. But if you have Kirk Cousins start the beginning of the year, you think there's some benefit of that or whoever the veteran quarterback would be. We'll see. I think that depends more on how Fernando Mendoza adapts and what his summer is like. But it's good to have a fallback plan. Speaking of planning ahead in terms of contract, just a couple of little notes. Ian Cunningham, the Falcons GM, said that a Drake London contract extension is, quote, top of mind.

19:01Dave Canales:Remember, he's in the same class as Garrett Wilson, who got paid a year ago as Chris Olave, who's trying to get paid now. I think that deal will happen. The Vikings exercise the fifth year option of Jordan Addison. Not a total lock there because of his off field stuff. And you just didn't know there were some trade rumors about him this offseason. The Jaguars will also exercise the fifth year option of Anton Harrison. Just some fifth year option talk. And I think this is a big year for Addison in terms of getting paid and whether he'll have a future in Minnesota or not. I don't know, but he's under contract there for two more years.

19:37Nick Shook:I think when things are good, he's proven how special he can be as a receiver, whether he was at Pitt, USC or with the Vikings. Right. But last season, it was kind of the whole the whole evaluation just felt a little off. It felt a little polluted by the fact that they struggled offensively, that they had these issues at quarterback. we you know when we talked to Justin Jefferson on Radio Row he even admitted that you know there was a lot of frustration and I that alone would be fine and I think they would still understand the potential and what Addison has done when things are good and feel confident in you know signing at least getting the fifth year option done if not considering a long-term deal but you're right the off-field issues it's three encounters with law enforcement it's missing the walkthrough prior to the game against the Browns overseas which is back in week five these are signs that just make you think twice about giving that sort of guy a long-term extension When it comes to on-field performance, though, I think he's done enough, even though they struggled last year, to deserve it.

20:28Nick Shook:It's just the total picture. And they're also operating with an interim GM right now. So things are just a little, they're not as settled as you would like them to be with decisions like that. So picking up the fifth year at least gives you the extra year to kind of explore whether you want to keep him long-term.

20:42Dave Canales:That was very subtle, quality, pro-podcaster flex, just referring back to our conversation with Justin Jefferson. I mean, it was a highlight of the year for both of us. So I have it was back. It was great. Justin Jefferson is the man. He appreciated. He appreciated the shout out that we gave him to on social, which I appreciated. And look, I should have remembered. Yeah, that game in in Dublin. Or was it one? It all blends together. That's why I said overseas. You know, he he gets benched through, you know, he's out late and then he has the game winning catch. And he pretty much dominated on that drive.

21:20Dave Canales:That was the one against the Browns. That was in London. And he got them the win in that game. Because I fully believe in his talent. I think he's one of the best number two wide receivers in the league. Very much, you know, not quite at the level of Devontae Smith in Jalen Waddell. But in terms of the contract that he would get, I see them in the same kind of bucket of players that maybe you're not a top 20 receiver. Those two guys might be. But you're pretty close to that. And man, that is worth a lot as long as he can stay on tack. And we I mentioned Anton Harrison. That was, you know, I wasn't sure that they would.

21:56Dave Canales:He's had a very I wouldn't say up and down career, but there's some years where he's looked great as a tackle. You also noticed that Liam Cohen said Travis Hunter very well ahead in recovery. This is that time of year where everyone's ahead in recovery. But good to hear.

22:10Nick Shook:This was a fifth year option, too, that I think is the product of all the vibes are good right now because we finished strong last year and we believe in our future. Yeah. And yeah, with Harrison. Yeah, because like, let's think about their offense and how explosive they became as a passing offense. Of course, you're going to at least, you know, pick up the fifth year guy or the fifth year option on a guy who is important to protecting your quarterback and continuing that explosive offense. So, I mean, his grades have kind of gone up and down at least according to PFF last year, he had his career best performance.

22:35Nick Shook:Some of that I believe is related to the offensive success and it's less than 20 million for the fifth year option on a former first rounder. So it makes sense, but it's not necessarily a sign that they're going to retain him long term. He's still going to have to earn that.

22:46Dave Canales:I thought he was great two years ago. So that was what the 2023 season. And then, yeah, and then maybe it was a little bit of a dip, but good context. Sad for everyone that lost their jobs at PFF, by the way, you're mentioning. It just seems like they've completely given up on content, which sucks to see a lot of great people like Trevor Sykema over there. And so I know a lot of them will bounce back. But, yeah, I might have to cancel that PFF subscription. Let's go to the Jets. It's just cracking me up how much Aaron Glenn is just talking about, like, Geno Smith is the answer to our prayers. Everything that we want to be, all this stuff.

23:24Dave Canales:They're using AI more in the building, which has me a little concerned. I don't know what he's talking about there. AI can make mistakes, folks. And then he was like, we're going to be a little more multiple. We're going to do more 3-4, you know, 4-3. We're not going to be as static. I just think that's one of the things to watch this season. Aaron Glenn has not really adjusted his defense for a while. He is now in charge of the defense. He has to make this thing work or else he's going to be gone. And he's got to make it work early in the season. Let's go to the Dolphins, where John Eric Sullivan is the new Dolphins GM.

23:56Dave Canales:I thought it was interesting. He's had some interesting quotes in general. But he mentioned that the three pillars of their roster are Devin A. Chan, not going to trade him, Jordan Brooks, the linebacker, and Aaron Brewer, the center. Those are the three pillars that they're building around. Not exactly the weight-bearing walls that the Rams talked about years ago, where it was like Aaron Donald and Stafford, of course. I'm trying to think who the other weight-bearing walls were. But yeah, maybe Cooper Cup at the time was, but then that wall fell apart. Yeah, but really good players. And I think just interesting that he mentioned those three.

24:34Dave Canales:He also mentioned on the offensive line how they have two spots that they feel great about. Patrick Paul at left tackle and Aaron Brewer at center. And I'm thinking, oh, well, if I'm right tackle Austin Jackson, who they invested a lot of money in in the old regime, I'd be like, huh? Well, oh, am I not long for this team? So not their guy. Interesting how the new regime views the roster they inherited.

24:54Nick Shook:Not their guy. And it's funny because you look at this roster and how they've had to tear it down in this rebuild. And then you compare it to the stance that the new regime is taking, which is, you know, very optimistic and and kind of trying to oversell a little bit. I believe Jeff Halfley was talking about how, you know, he still feels good about the roster and they have playmakers and everything else, but it's a work in progress. And I'm like, OK, first year honeymoon phase is going on right now. And you're trying to tell everybody and sell your plan that you have a long term vision for what this team should be.

25:23Nick Shook:But it's interesting that they're kind of doing a baseball team approach and building through the middle, like pitcher and middle infielder. They're going A-chan as an explosive running back. Brewer is one of the best centers in the NFL, you know, as a finalist to win the protector of the year. and then jordan brooks who i have always really appreciated i feel like has been a little underrated in his career yeah it makes some sense but i just know that they are so far away that when i'm doing working on my first mock draft right which will i believe will be up tomorrow and i got to the dolphins and i'm thinking like well you could go in a number of different directions because they have needs all over the place but me being trenches guy i'm like i'm looking back at offensive line not telling you who but i'm telling you that aaron brewer might have a new buddy lined up on one side of him as they continue this rebuild they they could use a

26:05Dave Canales:guard i think i can guess who it is but you know we don't want to reveal anything too quickly let's go to mike mccarthy i just keep clocking this story to me that he can't believe how lucky he is to be the steelers coach i don't think it's the greatest sign in the world he was like it is just so surreal to him i don't think he expected to get hired a third time much less with the steelers I don't know if I like that vibe. I did think it was funny that he noted in his first ever Coach's Breakfast in, I think, 2006, he was being asked the question about whether his quarterback then, Brett Favre, was going to come back or not.

26:42Dave Canales:And now here he is, 20 years later, being asked about Aaron Rodgers, who he says he feels good about and texts multiple times a week. It's obvious that this thing is happening, and it's just annoying that it's not official. but to me it's official but also maybe not like the best sign for your organization that your coach is like you're just revisiting like what the Packers were going through 20 years ago with the same guy I don't know there's something strange about it well it was it was a break from convention

27:10Nick Shook:when they hired him because usually they went with young and upcoming coaches and instead they go with a guy with a ton of experience that he can then lean on in situations like this which I kind of think that maybe they needed in one way or another and a lot of that has to do with the quarterback situation now obviously when he was hired the immediate connection was made to Aaron Rodgers and well maybe this will convince Rodgers to come back I don't know if it was really that deep but it does help them at this point but it is like funny that this is a guy who has coached at big time you know franchising you know he's coached the Packers he's coached the Cowboys he's been to a Super Bowl he's won a Super Bowl he's been in big time games and now he's just like walking around like gee whiz isn't this just the best I'm the coach of my hometown team it's very endearing

27:50Dave Canales:and likable in general. I just, and also, I think as you get older, and he is that, we are all that, I think you appreciate things maybe a little more. I think he's appreciating the hell out of this moment. Let's actually listen to McCarthy. I didn't realize we had sound. We got sound from McCarthy Roberts in the mills, finding all the great sound on Tuesday. 2006 was my first time doing this, And the first question was about a veteran quarterback, whether he's going to come back or not. So it was a big deja vu. But no, it's going good. It's been very positive. And we'll just continue to talk.

28:29Dave Canales:So we talk regularly. All right. He talks regularly with Aaron Rodgers. Also talking regularly, Mike Vrabel. Thought it was interesting. He really stressed how inefficient he believed they were running the football last year. said the explosive plays they had hid how they really weren't that good running. Something that we were hitting a lot on this show. That's interesting. And that their offseason moves were directed to try to fix that. I wonder if moving Will Campbell inside could potentially be part of that. But they signed Julian Hill, who's a good tight end. They signed Reggie Gilliam, who's a fullback from the Bills.

29:05Dave Canales:And so they've made some moves with thinking about the running game. Mike Briebel saying he wants all the tight ends, quote unquote. And that is going to be geared. So something we were talking about was like people were saying that they had a good running game, but it was really boom or bust. Also asked about his old friend, A.J. Brown. It's our daily A.J. Brown update. Let's listen to what Mike Crabill had to say. We've talked about this since last January. We're going to try to do everything we can to strengthen our roster through the draft, through free agency, multiple ways of player acquisition.

29:41So anything that we can continue to do to strengthen the roster, we're going to try to do.

29:47Dave Canales:Okay. As everyone does at this time of the year. I know, but not shutting it down, not shutting it down. He's sick of answering that question. Also, apparently he just absolutely destroyed a orange juice while he was sitting there. So we've been saying, we've noticed there's less breakfast being consumed during the coach's breakfast. but Vrabel's down in that OJ. Didn't do it in one gulp, but puts it down pretty quickly, hits it again. The manly OJ drink.

30:21Nick Shook:See this, first off, shout out to Eric. My goodness, the collection of clips of him sipping this orange juice. And it's not sipping, it's gulping. Fantastic work on your part, super producer Eric Roberts. But also this makes me think it's yet another reason for why I would love to play for Mike Vrabel and run through a brick wall for him because that's how I consume my beverages as well. So no shade on taking healthy gulps.

30:47Dave Canales:Potentially dehydrated from the night before. Vitamin C, getting back to life. Let's talk about the Lions. I just wanted to note there was a story about how they made Frank Ragnow, who once played through like a punctured lung and all sorts of other problems, Williams pay, you know, pay back his signing bonus, which has happened for many of these lines over the years. It was a day after a Taylor Decker story where the left tackle didn't feel like the Lions really dealt with them on a dealt with him on a fair level after he decided to return. I think they wanted him to take a pay cut and there was some misunderstanding between the two.

31:28Dave Canales:And Dan Campbell's done a great job. Brad Holmes has done a great job, but the ownership structure hasn't changed. It was just a reminder that maybe Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes are still having to deal with some organizational issues that have led to the Lions being who the Lions have been over the last 30 or 40 years.

31:47Nick Shook:And that's the thing is as you turn the corner toward being a successful franchise, sometimes it's hard to shake those old habits. You might be able to paper over them with victories, but small things like this still point toward you know some some organizational deficiencies weaknesses whatever you might want to see them as it that's kind of crazy i'm not gonna lie that's kind of crazy but we are also in an nfl with old guard ownership and then new much wealthier ownership and we haven't quite cleared that gap yet so the last name is ford i mean i know that but still look i know the old habits die hard i get it but and that's how they've always operated and just it's disappointing

32:27Dave Canales:And I know it's going to be on Lions fans' radars because they have a long history of loving their players but not loving the ownership. And seeing this, how they're treating some of their best players over the last handful of years, is really disappointing. Speaking of ownership, Jed York, the 49ers owner, on Sunday revealed that when asked about Christian Kirk, that he didn't know Christian Kirk was on the roster. He also mentioned he hoped Brandon Aiyuk could play for the team this year. which I honestly just think it's a little bit of a red flag that he is so disconnected from knowing what was happening because there's no way Brandon Ayuk is playing for the team this year and like it's not great that that the average casual maybe not casual NFL fan casual 49ers fan would know that and like a lot of a lot of people I would say that follow the NFL would have already known that Christian Kirk is on the 49ers and the yes doesn't there's there's two

33:24Nick Shook:ways to look at this though because you can either see it as oh no the owner is unplugged this is a bad sign but it's also a strong sign and how good your your regime group is at doing their job at john lynch and kyle shanahan managing everything so that jed york doesn't have to get involved because conversely you would have an owner that's meddling and and messing up the operation but i did think it was funny when our insiders did a hit on good morning football this morning and they started talking about brandon iuk and there's still that niners logo next to him because they haven't resolved it yet but everybody knows that he's not going to be on that team where I was like, interesting that he's still associated with the 49ers.

33:58Nick Shook:And maybe that's just the world that Jed's living in right now.

34:01Dave Canales:Yeah, maybe he watches GMFB with the sound off and just sees the name there. Yeah, that's our guy. Think this is great. The NFL announced that the Seahawks are going to be the hard-knock team this year. And the Patriots are going to be the hard-knock team next year. They've never announced it a year ahead. very interesting that uh it's going to be the two super bowl teams from this year and that they get a year ahead on the patriots uh but pretty cool that that that the seahawks did it my theory is that this was a i'm not going to say dying property for nfl films but it's lost interest struggle from the struggling i think it gets okay ratings within hbo and everything but in terms of conversation like i'll just admit i've kind of ducked out of watching hard knocks lately and it's almost like we're gonna make you do this or or the seahawks were willing to do it and uh yeah

34:56Nick Shook:a defending champ on hard knock pretty cool yeah so i think that there's a couple of avenues with this that are kind of interesting one you have to acknowledge the fact that we live in a different world than we did when hard knocks first debuted you know with the ravens going on to win the super bowl and everything else right and all the captivating moments that came from that we have more access now than we did then. I mean, exponentially more access now than we did then. We also are dealing with players who are now properly trained in media to say all of the right things so that you don't get as many of those genuine, candid moments that you would 10, 15, 20 years ago.

35:26Nick Shook:So of course the allure is going to decline a little bit, but I wonder, and I worry a little bit about scheduling two teams in advance, the two Superbowl teams, one this year and one next year, if that's going to be end up being a mistake the year after, or if it's really not going to matter at all.

35:41Dave Canales:Mike Rabel will be there whether they're coming off a bad season or a good season. That's a compelling organization to hit because we've never really seen behind the scenes. And so I think that part of it is fine. And look, I think that's a great point. Everyone's grown up now with reality TV. I just think there's so much football behind the scenes. There's so many documentaries. There's so many self-produced like team NFL that it just, the market's flooded. And we all operate as if there's a camera present at all times.

36:10Nick Shook:Like the, the authenticity of like the true authentic moment of 25 years ago is no longer there.

36:17Dave Canales:No, you're, you're getting raw. You're getting raw 60 % G all the time. This is who I am. I'm not playing for the cameras at all. So let's finish with a guy who does play for the cameras. He admitted it. A fascinating moment from Dave Canales on good morning football reacting to Kyle Brandt, who did his annual look at the coach's photo and commenting just how nice Canales' shirt looked in terms of the thread count, how, you know, in shape he looked, his hair looked great, like he was fresh from a barber. Here is Canales' response to that. I do know there was some strategy to where you stand in the staff photo.

37:00So, you know, you've got to position yourself next to people that may or may not make you look a little better. and certainly strategically on the far opposite side of Matt LaFleur who's like the guy. So you can see Matt and I have at least 12 feet of distance. So there's some framing in there. I'm not going to say any names but there's a little strategy behind it.

37:23Dave Canales:Wow. I love it. Jordan and I talked after getting Canales on the show. He's a really compelling guy on camera. Very likable. But I always feel like There's like a real canalis behind it all that I want to get to know like a little better. He presents publicly very well. And I thought that was really telling because he positioned himself. Like he said, there's some strategy of where you want to be. He is right next to between Mike McCarthy and Kellen Moore. It's so unfair. He's the one that said it, though. That's why this is amazing. You want to talk about, you know, bulletin board material. Coach is never talking any trash.

38:10Dave Canales:If I'm McCarthy or the guy in his division, Kellen Moore, and he's saying he's strategic. And then I was like, well, it'll be really interesting to find out the two he's next to. And then those were the two. I'm just, I think there was some intent behind it. I love it.

38:26Nick Shook:I love this, Shook. Also, he did a great job of putting Kellen Moore between him and D 'Amico Ryans. So that, like, you essentially got D 'Amico. go here's the crew of the guys here's the guys that stayed in shape here's the guys that drank too much and let themselves get you know let their physical state get away from them good on him but you know what that response i'm gonna go all the way back to the front of the show here that response tells me that i think it was a little unfair that you thought dave canales might not have been at jay glazer's party because that guy who answers like that and is thinking that far ahead he's

38:55Dave Canales:down to hang he's down to hang he has like he wrote a book he has talked about recovery recovery right yeah he doesn't have to buy the drinks but hanging out yeah yeah that that that's fair um just fascinating i i wish that we had the afc coaches back so someone could ask uh mccarthy uh the you know what you think of canalis's comments like keep this going as a news cycle and yeah as a man who um is in great shape i mean it i hate to think that in a similar situation like the NFL team photos they used to take, talent team photos, that you were thinking about that in such a way. Oh, I've got to position myself next to Rosenthal.

39:38Dave Canales:No, no, God. I am the Kellen Moore in this scenario. No, you're not.

39:42Nick Shook:No, the height difference would just not be good for the lineup. And plus, they never put people with that difference in height next to each other. Of course, yeah, but I don't need to do that, okay? That's like when it comes to height, that's punching down. That's punching down. It is punching down a little bit. But I will say. Literally. I would make sure if I was in the coach's photo to put somebody between me and Robert Sala, because I would probably be wearing the same thing he was wearing. But that man's got a better build than I did.

40:05Dave Canales:OK, that's fair. But this this is absolutely a story I am going to track for the rest of this season, or if nothing else, just bring it up all the time, especially when the Panthers and Saints play. Let's take a break. On the other side, should have mentioned at the top of the show, we got a special guest. Yeah, it's one of our main hosts. It's Jordan Rodrigues. She's boots on the ground at the owners meetings. We'll talk about world changes, everything else she's been hearing in Phoenix.

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44:46Dave Canales:Back on NFL Daily for one of my favorite annual segments. Jordan Rodriguez by a pool in a hotel or at a hotel that she could not afford to stay at. But the NFL owners can. Welcome, Jordan. How are you doing?

45:04Gregg Rosenthal:Hi, I'm great. I love the Phoenix Biltmore. It's fantastic. It's a prime lurking area. If you do my job and you need to listen to other people talk to each other and then have meetings in various pockets by pools, around the Circle Bar. Everybody watched the Duke game earlier this week. That caused quite the stir down at the Circle Bar when a lot of people missed their privilege sessions because of that game. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was a it was a vibe. So, yeah, it's I'm happy to see you guys, but I am not unhappy to be sitting where I am currently.

45:42Dave Canales:That's amazing. I don't I don't envy you. And yet I'm happy. I'm happy for you. Wait, what's the like lurking strategy? What are you getting out of this? Yeah. Are you meeting with some people? What what what is the Jordan Rodriguez strategy here?

45:56Gregg Rosenthal:Yes, it's to never stay still for too long, first of all. So there are a couple of areas. I'll keep my favorite one private, but there are a couple of areas where you know you're always going to see people and where you're always going to run into people, A, that you need to talk to, or B, that you need to get some FaceTime with, or C, that you maybe talk to on the phone a lot or text a lot, but don't get a lot of times to get FaceTime with. So I like to be out. This is my favorite one. This is better than the Orlando or Jacksonville or Breakers or any Palm Beach ones because the layout is really simple.

46:29Gregg Rosenthal:there's the pool where I never go because it's all the coaches partying and I just feel like I don't belong there and then and then there's the circle bar area and there's a lot of patio chairs and tables and everything and that's a great place to work then there's the lobby where people have no choice but to walk past you back and forth between their meetings and then there's the walkway between the meeting session rooms and the lobby where is another again a good place and My last place is my favorite, which I will not share. But let me just tell you, nobody would survive this event if not for this one particular spot on site.

47:08Gregg Rosenthal:And that is where I park outside. So that's got to see everyone. They must go there.

47:14Dave Canales:I can guess. I can guess.

47:18Dave Canales:It's not like a lot of sizzle. Sorry, Chuck. You jump in next. But like the rules that they passed on Tuesday as we're taping, not exciting. Like you can now do an onside kick any time of the game. Like they're changing the team's incentive to when they kick off from the 50 yard line where they were just kicking it out of bounds. It's just like little small things. They did expand, you know, replay in terms of obvious officiating mistakes. So that could have a big impact. but like what's the buzz in terms it just doesn't feel like there's a in terms of changing the league

47:55Gregg Rosenthal:it's it's not a season like that no it's been very calm and that's been kind of awesome i would say too it was not a really buzzy coaching cycle either um not a buzzy hiring cycle i was talking to a couple of people who thought the two kind of went hand in hand where there wasn't some like person or catalytic figure causing buzz or some disruptor or anything like that. You know, it's kind of a very calm coaching cycle, a lot of retread coaches, a couple very unknown, kind of unproven guys. And then also it's been a quiet rule cycle. The tush push basically has not been mentioned other than people saying, Hey, I remember last year when all we talked about was the tush push.

48:37Gregg Rosenthal:And what I've both disliked and liked one, it's been calmer. So the buzzier stuff, you know, didn't even get a chance to hit the floor before it was rescinded. This is the draft picks proposal. But then, but then it's also like been just a lot of football talk, which is more my vibe. I don't really care as much about the rule stuff. The football talk has been cool because it's also a lot of guys that know each other. It's a very incestuous coaching landscape right now. A lot of siblings like literal siblings. And then a lot of like coaching siblings too, from the same trees, interconnecting coaching trees.

49:10Gregg Rosenthal:So everybody really knows each other for the most part. and everybody it's it's one of those calm events where everybody's just actually talking a lot of football which I have personally quite enjoyed but it's also not super exciting for the news cycles

49:25Nick Shook:one of those uh coaches that you know came from one of those trees that has now spawned his own tree and somebody that you know very well obviously Sean McVay is it me or did he seem like he was a little chattier this year than usual or maybe more just landed on my radar

49:39Gregg Rosenthal:okay here's the lore this is my favorite thing about these meetings the lore and yes you're correct a lot chattier awake and in good health in the morning i'll just say because it used to be that the it used to be that the nfc coaches would go and do their table sessions in the morning at it's always been early as hell and they would always do the sessions first thing in the morning and NFC would always go the day after the big party that the league hosts where they absolutely blow out the budget and they it's an open bar for hours it's a band entertainment and it's you know there was a petting zoo and all this stuff and like there's all this stuff that happens and that's an open bar that is a night that people kind of go a little bit harder and then usually they'd make the NFC coaches for year over year over year over year they'd make the NFC coaches go the next morning the theory was that it was like a tomlin thing that he was trolling something like this can't be proven but that was the theory that there was like a tomlin thing he's trolling the other coaches the especially the shanahan guys who he's friends with and was kind of like trolling all of these nfc bros because he would make them go when they were at their most in pain basically you'd see the kyle shanahan photos and the and the sean mcveigh looking a little green around the guild photos and videos and all those things.

50:58Gregg Rosenthal:This year, I don't think it's a coincidence, me personally, that Mike Tomlin is taking a break from coaching. All of a sudden, the NFC West is in full power. And, hey, by the way, the days flipped where AFC went Tuesday morning and NFC got to go Monday morning. So no, Nick, I don't think it's a coincidence that Sean McVay was feeling particularly chatty. Now, the quality of some of the things he said is up for debate. But I think that, you know, it was definitely a healthier option.

51:29Dave Canales:There she goes. We have lost Jordan. We were warned that her phone was overheating. And so we say goodbye. She's doing great work out there for the athletic and giving us some reporting. Who knows? Maybe she just was trying to go join that Jay Glazer. I mean, the Arizona Sun. No, she said she doesn't feel uncomfortable by the pool. No, for real, her phone overheated. I'm looking forward, by the way, next week, we're going to have a Jordan-Nick-Shook show. So this was a preview of that pairing while I go see my pairing and take the early part of next week off. She did have some interesting takes from Sean McVay, which you kind of alluded to earlier.

52:17Dave Canales:And she can expound on this when she's on the show. But, you know, kind of the shorter version was that, you know, she thought Sean McVay could have been a little stronger publicly responding to what's going on in terms of Puka Nakua and everything that's been surrounding him and the civil allegations. but that, look, it would not be a surprise to her who knows this organization well if, you know, the concerns with everything going off the field with Puka is a conversation that does come up in the coming weeks, months, when it comes to, you know, contract negotiations and Puka's future. And, you know, this is an organization that is quickly pivoted and everything.

53:04Dave Canales:So it's just something that is a big deal. It's not the media, quote unquote, making a big deal. It's just something that's going to come up between the player and the team. But heck, Jordan is the Rams expert. She can talk about that next week. I'm looking forward to that show, Shooky. Time to shine for Shook.

53:22Nick Shook:Kids are going to be back in charge. Mom and dad are out on date night. We rule the house.

53:27Dave Canales:That's right. Seeing my literal mom and dad. Let's hit the music. Let's get out of here. Thank you, Shook, for going over all the coaches, all the news, and of course, Jordan calling in there from Phoenix. We are not done here this week on the feed. The next time you'll hear from me, we, myself, Daniel Jeremiah, 40s and free agents. We're also going through a lot of the defensive prospects later in the week with Ollie Connelly. We will see you then.

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