40s and Free Agents: Free Agent WR Rankings and What's Next for Patriots, Seahawks?

10 Feb 2026 · 43 min · 18 chapters

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Podcast Notes: NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal - Episode: 40s and Free Agents

Episode Overview Hosts: Gregg Rosenthal & Daniel Jeremiah Description: Analysis of the Seahawks and Patriots post-Super Bowl, free-agent wide receiver rankings, and future prospects for both teams.

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Key Topics Discussed

Super Bowl Analysis

  • Seattle Seahawks Performance
  • Surprising underdog status; historically long odds to win.
  • Discussed paths to victory for the Seahawks, highlighting defensive strengths.
  • Reflections on how Seattle's defense matched up against opponent offenses.
  • New England Patriots Evaluation
  • Cap space situation: $42 million with significant draft picks (31st, 63rd, 95th).
  • Need for a number one wide receiver and improvements on the offensive line.
  • Commentary on play calling and execution in the Super Bowl.

Free Agent Wide Receiver Rankings

  • Top Wide Receiver Prospects:
  • Alec Pierce: Reliable, high production; strong hands and contested catches.
  • Rashid Shahid: Dynamic but may not be a top option in an offense; potential overvaluation in free agency.
  • Mike Evans: Injury-prone but a strong option if available.
  • Wondell Robinson & Juwan Jennings: Solid contributors, capable of stepping up in an offense.

Future Implications for Teams

  • Patriots Needs
  • Immediate need to find a primary receiver.
  • Importance of enhancing defensive capabilities and offensive line depth.
  • Seahawks Free Agents
  • $73 million in cap space; various key unrestricted free agents.
  • Discussion on Kenneth Walker's future and importance as a running back.
  • Possible changes in offensive structure with new coaching influences.

Potential Trades and Cuts

  • Notable Players Mentioned:
  • A. J. Brown: Speculation around potential trade value given contract and age.
  • D. J. Moore and Michael Pittman: Both could attract interest in trade discussions.
  • Trade Market Dynamics: Discussion on the evolving trade culture in the NFL, akin to the NBA.

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Key Takeaways

  • Seahawks & Patriots: Both teams are in a strong position concerning cap space and draft picks, but they need to address critical personnel decisions to remain competitive.
  • Wide Receiver Market: The depth in the draft combined with potential top-tier free agents creates a complex landscape for teams looking to bolster their receiving corps.
  • Coaching Changes Impact: Changes in coaching staff might influence player performance and team strategy, particularly for the Seahawks.

Conclusion The episode provides an insightful overview of the current state of the NFL as teams analyze their rosters post-Super Bowl and prepare for free agency and the upcoming draft. The discussions highlight the importance of strategic decision-making at all levels as teams look to improve for the next season.

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Chapters

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Reflections on the Super Bowl

3:54 to 4:50

Discussion on the surprising outcome of the Super Bowl and its implications.

“But I don't know if in your league circles, the important people you talk to had any big takeaways.”

Patriots Autopsy: Analyzing Future Needs

4:50 to 7:33

In-depth analysis of the Patriots' roster and their needs in the offseason.

“And we haven't had a lot of defenses like that.”

Evaluating Offensive Strategies and Player Performances

7:33 to 9:08

Discussion on player performances and offensive strategies during the playoffs.

“Yeah, for me with the Patriots, it's, you know, finding a go-to number one option that can win, you know, on the outside.”

Seahawks Offseason Insights

9:08 to 11:40

Analyzing the Seahawks' cap space and key free agents for the offseason.

“You said a couple things there that I want to break down.”

Seahawks' Free Agency Overview

14:00 to 15:03

Discussion on the Seahawks' cap space and free agents.

“I just hope mine works when I show up next.”

Key Free Agents for the Seahawks

15:03 to 17:45

Analysis of the Seahawks' key free agents and their market value.

“And we actually have a guy who played football who knows what he's talking about.”

Potential Moves for Seahawks' Roster

17:45 to 20:08

Discussion about potential roster moves and player retention strategies.

“I think Boye Mafé will do better in the market.”

Offensive Line Needs and Free Agency Insights

20:08 to 22:02

Insights on Seahawks' offensive line needs and free agency expectations.

“They need an interior offensive line help.”

Wide Receiver Rankings Overview

27:03 to 28:00

Discussion on wide receiver rankings and transition to college football insights.

“When I went to college, this is what everybody wants to hear.”

High School Sports Memories

28:00 to 28:40

Hosts reflect on their high school sports experiences and achievements.

“Well, they used to be the Indians, and now they're the Warhawks, maybe?”
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Wide Receiver Class Overview

28:40 to 30:50

Discussion on the depth and variety of wide receivers in the upcoming draft.

“Before I get into my rankings, maybe an overview on the wide receivers in this class.”

Potential Trade Talks for Top Receivers

30:50 to 33:20

Exploration of potential trades involving top wide receivers like Pickens and their value.

“I don't know if you know that off the top of your head.”

Evaluating Alec Pierce's Impact

33:20 to 36:50

In-depth evaluation of Alec Pierce's performance and potential fit with teams like the Patriots.

“with that, then maybe they explore, you know, trading high as you would say.”

The Importance of Coaching Relationships

36:50 to 40:00

Discussion on how coaching relationships impact player acquisitions in free agency.

“When was the last time you read like a book where, you know, there's paragraphs, there's a beginning and an end and maybe fiction, especially.”

Analyzing Additional Receiver Prospects

40:00 to 42:00

Analysis of various wide receiver prospects and their potential roles in NFL offenses.

“Including Kubiak, who he had, if I'm remembering right, had his best season when Kubiak was in the building.”

Analyzing NFL Wide Receiver Prospects

42:00 to 45:11

Discussion on various wide receivers' performances and contract statuses.

“And Seattle was like, why weren't you doing that exactly?”

Potential Trades and Team Changes

45:11 to 47:08

Exploration of potential trades and shifts in team dynamics for notable players.

“Because I think there's some interesting players.”

Coaching Changes and Their Impact

47:08 to 49:51

Discussion on how coaching changes in teams affect player performance and strategies.

“Daryl Suter, wasn't he like an old reliever for the Braves or something?”
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2:25Daniel Jeremiah:Welcome back to 40s and Free Agents. I'm Greg Rosenthal, joined, as always, by my friend, Daniel Jeremiah, a.k.a. Move the Sticks, a.k.a. the man going through all the college tape to get ready for the NFL scouting combine, but not before taping this show where he can brag about drafting the Seahawks before the season in our who will be the Super Bowl champion draft. You are the real champion here, DJ. You won.

2:53Gregg Rosenthal:Well, I had totally forgotten about that. So you could have just let that slide. I would never have remembered. But I can't take it's like you can't take pride when you took Tom Brady in the sixth round and claimed about how smart you are when it comes to the draft.

3:07Daniel Jeremiah:So you got him. I think they were your eighth overall pick in the NFC or something like that. but it does go to show what a surprising Super Bowl it was. I sort of lost sight of that, but when I saw a stat after the fact that in terms of Vegas odds, they were the fourth longest shot to win a championship in terms of preseason odds of any sport in the last 40 years, something absolutely outrageous like that, and they get it done, and they get it done in convincing fashion. We're going to do, I don't know if you have any quick thoughts on the Super Bowl. We can have a little bit of that. That little Patriots Seahawks autopsy looking ahead because we did that for every team.

3:44Daniel Jeremiah:And then we're going to talk wide receivers a little later in the draft. Maybe just some overarching thoughts from you. And then I'll give you for the first time my free agency wide receivers ranking. So that's all coming up on 40s and free agents. But I don't know if in your league circles, the important people you talk to had any big takeaways.

4:02Gregg Rosenthal:No, I won't go off people that I talk to, but I was thinking of this analogy just as we've talked about this Super Bowl for the last few days and gone back through it. And I was thinking of the before the Super Bowl of all the different paths that the Seahawks had to win and how narrow the path was. And I was just reminded of like, that felt like an election night where you have a network that's trying to hold out hope for one side. And they're like, they put up like, here's the 10 states that are remaining. If they just win these nine, like they can win, they can still win, you know? Yeah. And it was like, that was, there were so many ways Seattle was just so much better and it would have had to been like I talked about like Milton Williams would have had to just have this unbelievable dominant performance against Bradford who's their weak link on the offensive line guess what he did he played great he did everything he could and it's it didn't matter because there were so many other avenues uh that the Seahawks had to victory and they were just so much better I haven't um punished myself

4:59Daniel Jeremiah:by going through the the tv tape of it yet or or the coaches tape of it yet for that matter so So it was just the live all 22. But you're right, an absolute mismatch. And, you know, part of an era, I don't know if it's going to be an era, but at least a time where the defenses, after years and years of just, like, offenses pushing forward, pushing forward, fighting back a little bit, did feel like a little bit more of a defensive year. And I thought Kyle Shanahan said it well on the NBC pregame show, where he thought, like, look, there were two defenses all season, Houston and Seattle, where I thought those two can just win the Super Bowl on their own if their offense and special teams just doesn't mess it up.

5:37Daniel Jeremiah:And we haven't had a lot of defenses like that. So I'm curious if there got to be a lot of people around the league getting in the lab and if we'll see that continue in 2026 where defenses catch up a little bit.

5:47Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, that was my other takeaway. We can move on to these teams and the autopsy part of it. But like Houston just must have felt so sick to their stomach watching that game. Like that should have been, we kind of got robbed as fans and viewers of what should have been just an absolute slugfest between the Texans and the Seahawks in terms of a defensive football. That would have been a 9-6 game, but it would have been a riveting 9-6 game that would have been very, very physical and very violent.

6:16Daniel Jeremiah:I thought it was a much more entertaining game than people give it credit for, in the sense that I like watching good defense and seeing that live. To me, it's a Super Bowl. It's always going to be interesting. There was still jeopardy there. But forget just Texans fans. I think that Jaguars team was awesome. And I know they did it in a different way, but they could have made it. Like Josh Allen has to be watching that and kicking himself. And then Broncos Seahawks would have been a hell of, if they had Bo Nix healthy, we had Garrett Bowles on the set during the Super Bowl week. And he just said it a handful of times.

6:45Daniel Jeremiah:Well, we win that game if Bo Nix is healthy. We should have won that game without Bo Nix healthy. And you know what? All these crybabies in the AFC, the Patriots didn't make it. Well, they did make it. You know, they won the games in front of them. The weather, whatever, they were ahead of schedule. Let's get into the autopsy for the Patriots. Both these teams are in exceptional shape. This is not the case of all the playoff teams we went through after they got eliminated, but both teams have a ton of cap space, have good picks. The Patriots in particular,$42 million in cap space. That's only the 11th most, which is a sign there's too much cap space.

7:17Daniel Jeremiah:There's a lot of teams that have plenty of room. They have a lot of day three picks. Otherwise, they just have their picks in general, 31st, 63rd, 95th. when you kind of look at them overarching what their needs are, what stands out to you?

7:35Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, for me with the Patriots, it's, you know, finding a go-to number one option that can win, you know, on the outside. And I think Diggs at this point in time in his career is he's not that guy. And so to me, I think you need to upgrade there, finding just a pure weapon that you can win with. That's where I would start. And then to me, getting, you know, more edge rush, continue to load up that defense. I think this offensive line is going to grow. You need to see what happens with Will Campbell going forward. Trying not to be too hard on him with coming off of the knee injury, but how bad that was all the way through, and the playoffs was rough.

8:13Gregg Rosenthal:And Morgan Moses is not getting any younger, so having another tackle in there to give you some options, I think would be a good way to go. But, man, they're in pretty good shape. To me, I just think getting that number one guy, I felt like that, And you tell me from being at the stadium, because sometimes you can feel it, but it felt so constricted. They were just playing kind of half court, you know?

8:34Daniel Jeremiah:Yeah, that was probably the most disappointing thing was that they they almost played like they knew they were overmatched, like they were a little too conservative, you know, in the decision making, both May and the play calling. And you're right, though, like there just weren't open guys. And one thing I thought May did a good job in the postseason where he struggled in general, When he saw the one-on-ones, he just let it go. And there weren't a lot of those in this game. There was, what, the one he missed to Douglas, a back shoulder, and another one to Booty. But, like, they just weren't there for them.

9:06Daniel Jeremiah:So you're right, get ball winners. You said a couple things there that I want to break down. Campbell, do you think guard makes, you know, is a realistic conversation? I don't think it's offensive to talk about. If you could get an all-pro style guard, that that could be better than having an average left tackle. Because the one thing I would say about Campbell that people missed a little bit during the year was, if you look at the pass rushers he went against when he was playing pretty clean, there weren't a lot of good ones. Like, he wasn't beating upper-tier competition. So that worries me a little bit.

9:45Daniel Jeremiah:Of course, when he played Myles Garrett, Myles Garrett got to him, and people are like, okay, well, that's Myles Garrett. Yeah, well, Myles Garrett had an even better game against Will Campbell than almost any game he had all year. So it does worry me a little bit that when he played real competition, he wasn't really up to the challenge.

9:59Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. I just think, look, he's still young and these guys get better along the offensive line. So, you know, I don't think it's a, I don't think it's a strong conversation, but I think it's something you're monitoring and you're going to have somebody in the on deck circle and having that option. I think to me, I would rather make the move earlier than later. Exactly. Do it now. Because, I mean, Robert Gallery's kind of the case study there of, like, he was a Pro Bowl guard. Like, he ended up being a, you know, it's like, gosh, he's a top five pick. How can we? Well, I'd rather have an all-pro guard than a struggling tackle, you know?

10:31Daniel Jeremiah:How about Zach Martin?

10:33Gregg Rosenthal:How about, not Tyron Smith, Tyler Smith. Didn't Tyler Smith play tackle? Yeah, there's a lot of those guys. I mean, Logan Mankins, we can go on. But, I mean, this is not, those guys weren't picked in the top five, you know? Like, that's the difference.

10:46Daniel Jeremiah:Zach Martin, that would be, I mean, more than a best-case scenario. But that was a pretty high pick. That was a first round pick who moves. They kind of use them where they needed to as a rookie. We'll see. I tend to guess that they're not going to be thinking that way. The other thing I did want to just point out for people curious, you mentioned Diggs. I'm not 100 % assuming he's back. Because they have such a good cap situation, I think he will be back. But if people forget, he essentially signed a three-year contract, about$22 million a year, where it was basically a team option each year with more or less no penalty.

11:21Daniel Jeremiah:They save that money if they get to make that decision each year. I think they will keep him because I think they like what he added to the team. He made a lot of big third down catches and he can be part of a big group and they don't need the money back, but that is a decision that they'll have to make. Otherwise, they almost have no key free agents. They're in a good spot. Caleb on chase on is a guy who will, you know, be attractive in free agency. Maybe they bring him back, maybe not. They're starting safety. Jalen Hawkins who played pretty well for them as a free agent and that's about it not even many depth pieces are out there and so yeah I think they just need athleticism everywhere offensive line basically everywhere I mean you could pick other than a when you I don't know if I feel like the locked and loaded and Campbell somewhere uh at any of the offensive line positions and then receivers there's plenty for them to go to like uh like maybe some of these receivers we'll talk

12:13Gregg Rosenthal:about in a bit free agents can i gotta get your take on this one i haven't we haven't talked about this yet i actually ran into mina after the game when i was uh we did the post game was walking up and saw her in the podcast studio so popped in and said hi and like one of the questions i posed to her because i was curious to get her take on it was why is travey on henderson not touching the ball like that that blows my mind that they that they remandre stevenson was out there and getting the ball as much as he was in a game where you know you're not going to be able to put together a 15-play drive.

12:43Gregg Rosenthal:Like, you need some explosives. Like, get the ball in that guy's hands and see what happens. And it's like, and even from a pass protection standpoint, gosh, the one time, I think that was the only time they blocked Witherspoon the whole game was when he caught him right into the chin on one of those blitzes. But that was about the only time that he wasn't unabated to the quarterback.

13:02Daniel Jeremiah:And the times that they did give him the ball, he popped off for a 9 or 10-yard gain. I was like, where is that? They go jumbo one play. I think that was Ramondre. and they get a big gain on that too. The play calling in general was curious. I think they just trusted Ramondre, who played really well overall down the stretch, and so you can't take that away from him. In the postseason, Travion was averaging under three yards per carry, but those were like bad weather situations. I totally agree. On a team that needed some athleticism, they needed more of him. All right, let's get to the Seahawks.

13:33Daniel Jeremiah:And that's, all right, I'm going to have Mina on NFL Daily. and uh i was wondering because she texted me was i there i was like so she they're already moving in and let's go they're in the podcast studio the brady bunch the families have the families have

13:48Gregg Rosenthal:kind of merged together and uh i i saw i saw ryan clark i saw spears i saw our old friend aisha who who was there so yeah i mean they're they're they're picking out bedrooms greg picking out

13:59Daniel Jeremiah:bedrooms now i just hope it's uh i i forget who that player was where the key card just didn't work when he showed up to the facility? I just hope mine works when I show up next. The Seahawks,$73 million in cap space. They only have one day three pick. So, you know, that's a little strange. Maybe there'll be a team that trades back. They have their picks in the first three rounds. They have a ton of free agents. Let's start there. Kenneth Walker, or the third can go get paid boy mafia is a free agent rashid shaheed who added quite a bit to to their explosiveness late in the season and then four players in that dime package that's out there and they're not the biggest names but four players who are on the field quite a bit in the super bowl tariq woolen kobe bryant um and josh job i guess that's three players i wrote reek and then woolen

14:52Gregg Rosenthal:those are in fact the same place and players turns out same guy so three why you were just talking all i could hear and all i could run through my head was uh uh and now it's time for 40s and free agents with greg and dj hey everybody i'm greg mcelroy here with daniel jeremiah as we kick off 40s and free agents all they gotta do is take off one of the g's it's one name you just keep the first name it's fine lop off a g and then uh then they're still rolling here oh i know where

15:19Daniel Jeremiah:i stand in in dj's heart he he would he i don't even know if he would mention it he'd be like oh We're feeling lighter. One less G here. And we actually have a guy who played football who knows what he's talking about.

15:32Gregg Rosenthal:Oh, that's amazing. All right. I did some Seattle radio this morning. So we talked a little bit about the free agent group that they have. My take on it is I think the hardest to keep of this group is going to be Shahid for a couple of different reasons. Look, he did his best work on the biggest stages, you know, going through this playoff run. you now have a situation where you played for a coach in new orleans who then lobbied for you to come to seattle who is now the head coach of maybe the most offensively starved roster in football where they'd be willing to pay money i just have a hard time unless he just wants to win he wants to values that experience in seattle i can't imagine a world where the raiders wouldn't just outbid everybody um to bring him to vegas and there'll be other options as well and there's the you know, on the back burner where you've got the JSN deal that you can start working on, knowing that's going to take up a ton of money in that receiver room.

16:28Gregg Rosenthal:So I know they gave up, I believe, a four and a five for him, but mission accomplished, man. He helped you win a Super Bowl. Like, that's an unbelievable move. I just, I think they're going to have a hard time signing him would be my guess.

16:38Daniel Jeremiah:I agree because at this point they're competing with 31 other teams unless they use the tag on him, which they won't. And they have a need at wide receiver, though. I actually think it's, they're in good position. I'm not, I'm not saying they're not, especially with all the cap space they have. So they can spend, but they do have some interesting decisions to make because that's three defensive backs that were starters for you. I know, I know Kobe Bryant, for instance, and Josh Jobe aren't big names. Well, they played, Josh Jobe, especially, was playing awesome in the Super Bowl, played great this year.

17:09Daniel Jeremiah:So they got a good year too.

17:11Gregg Rosenthal:Like those are the ones I think you can try and get done. Like, you know, you can, you can work those out. And I even think with Kenneth Walker, you have leverage there in terms of the tag. Like there's things you can do that make that more feasible. I just, when I looked at that list, the guys who I think will get the most money, I think Shahid's going to get a ton. And I think Boye Mafé is going to get a lot of money. I know he only had two sacks, but he's young. He's still in his, I think maybe 27 years old. He's explosive. He's had a, you know, eight or nine sack year. To me, like I told you before, I think that Quidipe will do better in the market.

17:45Gregg Rosenthal:I think Boye Mafé will do better in the market. Those guys were higher picks. Those guys have, they have juice and explosiveness in a pass rush star of the league. Those guys get paid.

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17:54Daniel Jeremiah:I totally agree. And John Schneider likes keeping his guy. So I even thought looking at this roster, is there a chance that they cut or trade Nwosu who's coming off a nine sack season, but he's 30. He's been there for four years. He was coming off two really injury plagued years. And that's something where you maybe say goodbye to him just to spend more to keep your guy. You know, Mafe, who they like. But their trait that's better than any other team is they have six, seven of these guys. They have so many players that they're going to try to figure out a way to keep them all. I also wonder if they give Darnold a bump.

18:32Daniel Jeremiah:He has two years left on his deal, but he did just win the Super Bowl.

18:36Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, 100%, you use this opportunity to make him turn down a big raise. Like, it doesn't put him up in the top tier, but you put that – But that's just kind of the way that you talk as a team. It's like, let's make him turn down. Like this longer extension will give him some sugar for having just led us to a Super Bowl or been a part of this Super Bowl run. I think there's a way where everybody can kind of win in that whole thing.

18:59Daniel Jeremiah:I totally agree. And he has two years left on his deal. But if you look at it now, yeah, it was obviously a great bargain. He proved a lot of us wrong. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

19:09Gregg Rosenthal:You have a mouse in your pocket? Us.

19:12Daniel Jeremiah:Well, you just mentioned Mina. I mean, I don't want to just throw other people under the bus, but there was a lot of the folks in the media sphere that thought there was a downgrade going from Gino to Darnold. I wasn't the only one.

19:25Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I just didn't want to be included in that. We're on a show together and you say us. Oh, I see.

19:32Daniel Jeremiah:Well, you know, Mina, I'm trying to think of. You don't need to out anybody else.

19:36Gregg Rosenthal:I was just trying to absolve myself.

19:37Daniel Jeremiah:The guy I saw in the hotel lobby the morning after the Super Bowl wearing a Geno Smith Seahawks jersey. I was like, that's a choice. It's a weird choice to wear to the game. I assume he did that too. It's even weirder the next morning after Darnold, but I guess maybe it's all you got. Those things are expensive. So yeah, good point on Kenneth Walker. I don't know why I just assumed he's going to go elsewhere. With all that cap space, they might as well just tag him. That's a good deal. It's$12 million. It's one year. They need an interior offensive line help. I think they need some depth at wide receiver.

20:12Daniel Jeremiah:Like they're going to be looking for edges, defensive backs, but they're in a good position in general.

20:17Gregg Rosenthal:By the way, if you cover a team, any of the 32 teams, and you write what your team needs to accomplish in the offseason, and you don't write that you're going to sign Tyler Linderbaum, the article doesn't even count because every single – I've read a little bit of stuff in the offseason, and Tyler Linderbaum apparently is playing for 28 teams next year. So congratulations to him.

20:40Daniel Jeremiah:Well, it always cracks me up, these articles, because you're right. There's only like six free agents everyone's heard of, and every team thinks they're going to sign two or three of them, and then they sign two or three from the next tier too, and it's just like there's not enough to go around. Well, since I got you, like, I mean, do you think they're going to let Linderbaum go anyways? Usually that's not a guy that you see get out there, but there are some, not differing opinions, but whether he's like a fit everywhere. And I, what do you think? Do you think they'll let him go?

21:09Gregg Rosenthal:I don't think it would get to this far, you know, that they would have had him locked up and they declined the fifth year option, right? Because that's the overall offensive line. And they feel like that puts the number too high for an interior player. So I get that. But I mean, if Linda, if I'm lender bombs camp, how do you not get to the market? I mean, whatever they're going to give you now, there's cap space up the wazoo across the whole league. And it's not a, you know, that market of interior offensive linemen, you're the bell of the ball. Like, I'd want to get out there to the market and see what it looks like.

21:39Daniel Jeremiah:Yeah, there aren't that many players that this happens to every year. It's really just a handful. One of them last year was Milton Williams, like a guy who has successfully developed. I know Linderbaum's had an even more decorated career. But just because of some sort of technicality, because you're right, I think if the fifth-year option was just for guards, they would have just given it to him. But because it's left tackle and the number was so high, he might actually get out there. Let's take a break and then we're going to come back. DJ asked me to start breaking my rankings on this very show.

22:10Daniel Jeremiah:So yes, for the first time, you can all hear my wide receiver free agent rankings. And we'll talk a little draft too after the break.

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27:13Daniel Jeremiah:let's talk wide receivers you know the position that daniel jeremiah struggled to throw to as a college quarterback he just like running the ball he just wanted to keep the ball in his hands i i wanted to throw it i just wasn't very good at it greg stop um dual threat quarterback though right who were you ranked ahead of again uh who was i ranked ahead of i mean some some big names You were up there high, though, on the rankings. Yeah, for high school. Yeah, high school was good.

27:43Gregg Rosenthal:College, yeah. That's what I think, too. When I went to college, this is what everybody wants to hear. But my freshman year, I think I broke the freshman passing record, I think, at Northeast Louisiana before I transferred to App State. And it was, I think it was like 1 ,400 yards, 1 ,500 yards. Think about that. Because freshmen didn't play. In college football. That's like 150 yards per game.

28:09Daniel Jeremiah:How many games did you start? I think I started the last seven games. Okay. And what's the nickname there? The Northeast Louisiana Bikes?

28:15Gregg Rosenthal:Well, they used to be the Indians, and now they're the Warhawks, maybe? Okay. Don't even know. Yeah.

28:22Daniel Jeremiah:I mean, I'm all for peaking in high school. 1996, Massachusetts State Champions, Minichauk Regional Falcons in tennis. Let's go. Let's go. I was class of 96 as well. I was 97, but we got back to the finals in 97. We lost in the finals.

28:37Gregg Rosenthal:I knew there was more to that story. We lost in the finals in 97.

28:40Daniel Jeremiah:I won my match, but it's a team sport. Let's talk receivers. Before I get into my rankings, maybe an overview on the wide receivers in this class. I know people are ready to start hearing DJ just go full barrel with college stuff. We're going to do a full offensive combine preview next week. I was thinking about it. as I was starting to broadcast the Superbowl for talk sport, which was so much fun. I was thinking two weeks from this very moment, my plane will be landing in Indianapolis. That that's how quick this off season is. So we're going to be at the combine soon. Who are your wide receivers you're looking at and just kind of the overall class.

29:17Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, it's a good group. It's a good group. And I think it's going to be that way, you know, and perpetuity going forward. Like it's just, there's wide receivers every single year and there's, there's all different flavors from, you know, outside guys like Carnell Tate from Ohio state, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State. For me, my favorite receiver in the whole class is Makai Lemon, who's a slot receiver out of USC, who's got a lot of that USC. Think about Amon Ross St. Brown coming through there. If you're trying to find the next JSN who has that kind of body type and build almost like a running back, he kind of fits that build.

29:50Gregg Rosenthal:Then you want to go all the way through with Denzel Boston from Washington, who's a big physical guy. You get another one out of Notre Dame and Malachi Fields. If you want those power forward types, you got those. Then we've got a bunch of little slots that are real dynamic and explosive. Casey Concepcion can absolutely fly from Texas A &M. So there's a really, really good group of wideouts, Greg. And the fun part for me is like this early part of the process, you kind of go through all the tape. And I always talk about getting these guys in kind of the right neighborhoods. Think about like clumps of players.

30:21Gregg Rosenthal:And then you can get them in the right house as we go through the rest of the process and try and really separate those ties. But I can't remember the last time I didn't have so many clumps. Like every year there's these clumps of, man, there's like four, these bigger 6 '4 type receivers. And then there's also another clump here, these five pure slot receivers. So if you need a wide out and the free agency group that Greg's getting ready to go over doesn't super excite you, you're going to have an opportunity to get some in the draft. And there's so much depth.

30:51Daniel Jeremiah:Like how many were in your top 50? I don't know if you know that off the top of your head. I think I had 10 or 11.

30:55Gregg Rosenthal:I think I had 10 or 11 of them.

30:57Daniel Jeremiah:And that feels like a lot. And yet when you look back at the last four drafts, which position had the best value in the second and third rounds? It's very often receivers. Like they could have gone even higher so many times. And I'm not saying that doesn't happen at other positions, but I think the hit rate in rounds two and three at receivers, you've gotten some super-duper star players, including one of the guys we're going to talk about maybe on the trade block, A.G. Brown. I mean, guys are falling too far. All right, let's get into it. Do it. Wide receivers. To me, there's two guys tiered above.

31:31Daniel Jeremiah:And I'm not including the cut guys or the trade guys. We can mention those quickly at the end. It's George Pickens and Alec Pierce. And maybe most people would.

31:40Gregg Rosenthal:There's only one of those guys now. There's only one of them. Well, it's not official.

31:43Daniel Jeremiah:And I wanted to mention Pickens, who the reports are, yeah, he's going to get the franchise tag. There are also reports from our insiders, and I would never doubt Ian Rappaport and Palacero and Garofalo that he could be traded. And they noted in this post that comes out on Super Bowl, hey, we've seen David Mulligata clients get traded by the Cowboys before. You know, it happens. And then you look at their cap situation. They're like$30 million over the cap. They might feel like they're selling high. So I think he might be a conversation, or at least they're going to use that as leverage in terms of giving him the money.

32:24Daniel Jeremiah:He's an interesting guy to be giving a monster contract to because he might be buying high. You know, the Cowboys got him for very little last year. Does he fit with CeeDee Lamb? I think there are real questions of whether he's definitely going to be on the Cowboys this season.

32:38Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, there's definitely no questions about the talent because of how gifted he was. And we saw that going through the draft process. You and I had talked about that going through the draft process of why isn't he going higher?

32:47Daniel Jeremiah:and it was not it was i i saw his real talent and you you know you kind of miss that sometimes you

32:54Gregg Rosenthal:need fresh eyes on it it's so tough to spot you know like some of those guys just it's really tough but uh look to me he's the classic case of a player that teams like to be engaged to but not married to does that make any sense um i just i'd be curious to see it feels more like they would try and drag this year to year and if he's not going to be okay with doing that from the franchise tag this year and he's going to, you know, kind of cause a ruckus there and not be happy with that, then maybe they explore, you know, trading high as you would say. Somebody, you know, I'm sure with the teams out there, they can find one that would be willing to, you know, go across the aisle and actually take his hand in marriage here.

33:36Gregg Rosenthal:So I just, I don't know if the Cowboys seem all that excited about doing that.

33:40Daniel Jeremiah:That's, it's tricky. And the Cowboys are the rare team that not only do they have the stomach for the offseason drama, they almost seem they almost seem to welcome it. Like that's not that's not a negative to them if they have to go through it.

33:51Gregg Rosenthal:They haven't had as much in season to talk about.

33:54Daniel Jeremiah:So they've kind of majored in more offseason stuff. Right. And they look, it's not like they got him for free. They did give up a third for him. would you would you you know be happy with that if you then trade him for like a second plus a second and a fourth and uh he comes off your books maybe maybe they would be maybe they would be i don't know if you're getting a first i missed that i did not see the pregame show so i missed that whole little nugget there yeah it was a little bit of an article it was one of those where they didn't even put sources to it they're just like hey you know they could be interested in trade him.

34:27Daniel Jeremiah:No, hey, their agent, he's executed some trades related to the Cowboys, so I'm just putting two together. I think Alec Pierce is a really unique talent, and in a way, because you're not giving up any draft picks for him, and you kind of know what he is, he's almost a safer bet than George Pickens. I mean, he just played two years in the NFL, DJ, where he averaged 21.3 yards per catch and 22.3 yards per catch. Led the league by a lot both years. I mean, he had over 1 ,000 yards on 47 catches, and maybe he's not the most complete receiver, but he's got strong hands. He's a big dude. He makes contested catches.

35:15Daniel Jeremiah:I mean, he really adds an element to any offense that I think any offense would love. And so to me, he's going to be one of my very highest players on this overall free agency list. And to me, a tier above all the rest of the guys I'll mention quickly.

35:28Gregg Rosenthal:If you're the New England Patriots, why would that not be tippy-tippy top of the list for you?

35:34Daniel Jeremiah:The only reason would be if you're, like, letting better be the enemy, you know, perfect be the enemy of better or whatever, because whatever the phrase is that I totally make. McElroy won't get it right. That's fine. You know, I landed last night. It's been a long season. And like if they really if they really saw A.J. Brown, for instance, as a guy who was like, OK, we want like a one one because I don't think Alec Pierce is that. I don't think anyone is thinking he's going to be that. But, you know, I went back and watched some of the film from the year. And in what stands out to you is how many times he made Daniel Jones look better, that Daniel Jones had the confidence to give him a chance to go make a play.

36:16Daniel Jeremiah:but these aren't perfect throws and he made a lot of very difficult catches and he'd done it back-to-back years he's burning some guys and it's not just scrubs I saw him beat Derek Stingley on a corner route in the red zone where you know I think Stingley's a little afraid of his speed going one way and he breaks the other and he gets pretty open against good cornerbacks he's a hell of a player and he's 25 years old right now turning 26 this offseason so you're going to get the best

36:44Gregg Rosenthal:years of his career perfect is the enemy of good is an aphorism often attributed to voltaire originally from a 1603 italian proverb meaning the pursuit of flawlessness can prevent the completion of worthwhile work so i'm not a big voltaire guy but i am looking forward to the off-season i don't know you guys don't get into voltaire but that state that's part of our you

37:06Daniel Jeremiah:know part of our culture up there it is my literature season though like i get to the off season, I start banging through the novels, you know, really cranking through. When was the last time you read like a book where, you know, there's paragraphs, there's a beginning and an end and maybe fiction, especially.

37:22Gregg Rosenthal:No, I read this book called the Bible, Greg. That's the book that I go through. So long though. It's very long, but you can get through it in a year. But I do, I do that. I've, you know what I used to, I used to be when I was younger, this sounds weird, but I used to be a big John Grisham guy. I used to go to all the John Grisham books. That's not weird. Yeah. But I just think I was very young. I think when I went to the bookstore and was buying them, I was like in my thirties and just, I don't know. There was a lot of people in my demo that were in there knocking those things out. But I read a lot of, I read a lot of leadership books by my buddies.

37:55Gregg Rosenthal:You know, I got a lot of buddies in that space. John Gordon's good friend. So a lot of that stuff. Okay. I mean, I could use some,

38:00Daniel Jeremiah:I can use some leadership tips, but you know, it keeps your mind sharp. It's relaxing. It's,

38:06Gregg Rosenthal:Just do the wordle every day, Greg. That's all you got to do. Just do the wordle. I'll try that Bible thing, though. That sounds good. Yes. Come on. Come on. Join us.

38:14Daniel Jeremiah:I went to many midnight masses because, you know, I grew up in a town. It's one of the only Jewish people with about 95 % Irish Catholic. And so that was the pool of potential girlfriends in high school. So I was going to midnight mass with their families. Let's go second tier.

38:34Gregg Rosenthal:We've covered a lot of ground on this receivers podcast today.

38:38Daniel Jeremiah:Next group. You mentioned Rashid Shahid. I've got him. I've got Mike Evans coming off an injury-plagued year. I've got Wondell Robinson, Romeo Dobbs, and Juwan Jennings. And so when I look at this group, I think they're all starting players in the NFL. We'll get to Wondell. I really liked what he gave. He probably was bumped up a tier from where he used to be. they're not totally complete receivers you might have to pay a little extra in free agency than you ideally would like but i think they're gonna be pretty safe adding to your offense obviously it's gonna be tough to get evans out of out of tampa but between evans shaheed robinson dobs jennings i don't know if anyone stands out there who you want to talk about so free free content

39:23Gregg Rosenthal:idea for you is when you're doing this list and uh and maybe it's an associate uh content piece but But I'd like to follow the coaches like we talked about with Kubiak and Shahid. You look at the Tennessee Titans, new offensive coordinator is Brian Dayball. That's a team that could use some more weapons for Cam Ward. Wanda will make some sense there. Like there's a lot. And then you can look at even like Jennings. I would, okay, well, that Shanahan tree is littered all over the league. And he's kind of beloved in that system with how he plays. So I could see him bounce around to one of those other disciples.

40:02Gregg Rosenthal:Including Kubiak, who he had, if I'm remembering right,

40:05Daniel Jeremiah:had his best season when Kubiak was in the building. It's tough to keep track of Kubiak. He's in a new place every year.

40:11Gregg Rosenthal:But I think that that's a big part of free agency when you're coming in there and you're getting ready to spend money. Ideally, you spend it on your own guys because you know them extremely well. But if you're going to go out into the market, you'd like to have some previous understanding or relationship with him personally or have seen him in a scheme that's a little bit similar to what you're going to do.

40:27Daniel Jeremiah:You know, they threw the ball deeper to Wanda more this year than really I thought made sense. But he's had 140 targets in back to back season. People think sometimes production like he's almost like a short catch merchant without a lot of people around him. You put up a thousand yards and 90 catches this season. Like I'm not dismissing that. And when you when you watch him, he is a guy who's going to be able to get open for you underneath. So I think every team has a has a spot for that type of receiver. again maybe they they stretched them a little too much where he had to be their one but i think he would fit in nicely i did put shaheed and evans over him shaheed's tough for me i've always been such a huge fan i'm not holding the seahawks tenure against him because he made a difference with a handful of splash plays but he also you know barely caught the ball in seattle and so it did make me wonder is he always just going to be like a very supplementary third kind of weapon in the offense where if he's your second, even that might be a stretch, that he's more of a really great three-plus special teams, and that kind of changes the market that he's going to have.

41:37Daniel Jeremiah:Yeah, no, I think that he's just –

41:38Gregg Rosenthal:that profile tends to get overpaid a little bit, and I can still see him getting more than people think. And because, look, the return coming back into the game is big too. Like, we've seen the impact of the return game now, so that value is there. kind of underrated part going back to Seahawks for a second like punter kicker returner like that kind of got lost in the shuffle a little bit with their team was how dominant their special

42:03Daniel Jeremiah:teams were Dixon especially their punter well and the returners you're right just he he made such difference in the NFC championship in this game in the Super Bowl uh you're absolutely right and yeah the Saints I think kind of lost the force for the trees when they weren't using Shahid anymore on returns. And Seattle was like, why weren't you doing that exactly? We should do that. I think Romeo Dobbs is a good player. I kind of can't imagine Mike Evans playing in a different uniform, but you never know. Jason Light usually ends up keeping his guys. He looked pretty good when he played last year, just the first year where he missed some time with injury.

42:37Daniel Jeremiah:But I think Dobbs is another guy who's like a starting caliber receiver. Do you remember anything? I'm putting on the spot about your evaluation of Romeo Dobbs coming into the league. Cause to me, I'm giving you time to look it up. Yeah. What year? Well, that would have been 22, right? Cause he's ending, you know, ending his rookie contract. So 22 draft. He guy who does a little bit of everything well, and as a physical guy, maybe he's not going to be the most open receiver in the league, but, but good hands can basically run any route. And like, You can feel good giving him 50 snaps a game.

43:13Gregg Rosenthal:A lot of deep posts, tracks the ball well. He's got some juice. He's a little bit tight. Gives you some punt return value, good burst. I thought his hands were average. Just under 6 '2", a little over 200 pounds. I actually had him kind of the grade I gave him was like a developmental grade. I thought there was better ahead of him.

43:32Daniel Jeremiah:Well, you know who disagreed with you? I was going to say Brian Gutekinds, but actually it was a fourth-round pick. I thought he got taken higher than that, so that's on me. My next group. So those guys, I think, are all going to start in the NFL next year. I think they're all going to get good contracts. And the next group is a little tricky. I knocked Evo Samuel down to this tier. To me, he's a very particular flavor. It doesn't mean he shouldn't be on a team with a role, but you've got to have a vision for him. And I don't think he's quite as complete or explosive as he was later in his career.

44:02Daniel Jeremiah:And then some guys I think are interesting. Jalen Naylor had a decent season for Minnesota. They actually like him. Jahan Dotson is going to be a free agent, former first-round pick. Christian Kirk had that monster playoff game that will help him get paid a little bit. Marquise Brown, I guess it's not going to totally ever happen for him, but he can still help a team. So that's kind of the next tier of wide receivers.

44:25Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, that's when I start looking at that going, those guys are going to have a hard time getting money because of the draft, because of how much depth we have at the draft. So kind of pay up to the top of the market. I get that. And then maybe get into that second tier. And you get guys come in and help your young quarterbacks. I get that. But when we get into this portion of the program, to me, it's like there's guys in the third and fourth round. You're going to find they're going to be better.

44:48Daniel Jeremiah:Yeah, that makes sense. Keenan Allen, Kendrick Bourne, Kalief Raymond. Traylon Burks actually, I thought, looked kind of interesting at the end. So he'll get some like one year, two million dollar contract. I'm just keeping an eye on that. He looked like he made some progress at the end of his time in Washington. Calvin Austin. There are other names out there. But before we wrap, I did just want to throw out, while we're talking, some possible trades or cuts because we're getting in some big names here. Because I think there's some interesting players. And we're going to go through with Bill Barnwell later in the week all the potential trade targets in the entire league.

45:22Daniel Jeremiah:A lot of them are at wide receiver. But, I mean, could I interest you in A.J. Brown, D.J. Moore, Brian Thomas Jr. These are all just thoughts. But I think if I'm thinking about him, I trust me, some front offices are at least thinking about him. Michael Pittman's entering the last year of his contract. And we had him on NFL daily last week. It was interesting to me. He said, I'm not really sure what they're going to do with me. Like, do they want to give me a new contract? Do they want to cut me? Would they want to trade me? So the fact that he's saying that he's thinking about it, Calvin Ridley, Darnell Mooney, then we kind of get down the list, but some, some big names I think that are going to be thrown around a little bit in front offices.

46:02Gregg Rosenthal:This feels like it could be kind of a shakeup year with Philly. They've made some coaching changes. Stoutland's now no longer there on the offensive side of the ball. They can kind of – you could reimagine how you're doing this offense or building this offense out. So that wouldn't totally surprise me. I'm curious to see what happens with them on Dickerson, Elaine Johnson, what happens with them. And if that's the case where those guys are not playing, then okay, what do we do with A.J. going forward? Or is he a part of this new look? you know, offense that they want to run there. So there's a lot.

46:34Gregg Rosenthal:I'm just keeping my eye on Philly because just, it feels like this is a little bit of a season of change there.

46:39Daniel Jeremiah:Yeah. Without Jeff Stoutland and they just hired their new offensive line coach. Who was it? Daryl Suter, a guy who was with Sean Mannion, the new OC. You're right. It could be a lot of change. I just think it makes sense timing wise. Cause I think if you're Howie Roseman, yeah, they want to keep elite players as long as they can. But I think you could look enough at the film last year and think, is the decline starting.

47:05Gregg Rosenthal:By the way, you were not even close on that. It's Chris Cooper. Daryl Suter, wasn't he like an old reliever for the Braves or something? Why did I just throw out a random name? He just really just made up. Hold on. Daryl Suter is an ice hockey coach. Yeah. Canadian hockey coach. Daryl Suter, was he the coach of the Maple Leafs? no, he was most recently the head coach of the Calgary Flames. The former Kings coach. I mean, that's a bold move for an offensive line coach, but I think he's going to understand toughness. He's going to, you know, he's going to understand these guys, you know, working together.

47:42Gregg Rosenthal:Hey, it's outside the box. Howie's outside the box. Hired a Canadian hockey coach to be the offensive line coach.

47:49Daniel Jeremiah:I'm still on tilt because our producer asked, you know, in our chat, if Amari Cooper is still going to be inside my top 10 overall free agents. a guy who that's where I had him last year. And then he retired. I didn't know. I didn't know the game wasn't in him anymore. And yeah, Greg McIlroy, if you're listening, the job is not available yet. This is ridiculous. Did you see the chat? Yes. Someone was asking when McIlroy, DJ asked when McIlroy started. I mean, you can just say that on the show. It's more fun in the chat. I'm just trying to make Drew laugh behind the glass. AJ Brown, by the way, this is the time to trade him because I think whatever they're going to get for him in a trade, I think the value is they'd still get a lot from a team like the Patriots, for instance, whereas this would probably be the last year, considering his age and his contract and everything, where you would get a lot.

48:42Gregg Rosenthal:Howie is very smart, and he knows the rules of better to be a year early than a year late on this.

48:48Daniel Jeremiah:So we'll see what they do. And if I had to guess, I think A.J. Brown will get traded, although that one seems like a toss-up. I even feel more confident that DJ Moore will get traded or cut, but because of the lack of wide receivers, I think they'll be able to find something for him. Brian Thomas Jr. is the other really talented player that didn't quite fit in that offense.

49:10Gregg Rosenthal:He didn't fit in the offense, yeah.

49:11Daniel Jeremiah:And they have receivers. They just gave Jacoby Myers a lot of money. They're an aggressive team who probably feels like they're right. They're already in their Superbowl window. You could get a lot for Brian Thomas. Might not be about a pick. and I'm all about bringing these veteran trades into the NFL like the NBA has. Let's go. Yeah, let's do it. I like it.

49:30Gregg Rosenthal:Hey, this is a great job, Greg. Can I go back to watching my college kids now? You can. What letter are you on? Who is it? I'm on the M's. I've done a bunch more of the guys beyond that, but I've got about eight receivers left to watch and I'll be done with all the combine receivers. That's my day.

49:44Daniel Jeremiah:Well, just as you're grinding through the tape, especially kind of the interior offensive line, but really any of the offensive line positions, Just imagine how would this guy fit in a Daryl Suter Philadelphia Eagles offense. We will be back next week on 40s and Free Agents. We're going to do a big combine preview talking about the offense. We will see you then.

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