40s and Free Agents: The AFC West’s 5 Impact Additions and Rookies

8 Aug 2025 · 33 min · 17 chapters

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In short

“40s and Free Agents” focuses on the AFC West and identifies five rookies (plus one “wild card” veteran) expected to make immediate impact, using Daniel Jeremiah’s practice/preseason observations and Greg Rosenthal’s division context.

Guests

Daniel Jeremiah (Move the Sticks host; NFL analyst, former scout/TV analyst; covers Chargers as radio voice) and Greg Rosenthal (host).

Key claims / notable examples

  1. Chargers: RB Marlon “Amar” Hampton (pass-protection praised; vision praised by Jim Harbaugh; expected heavy playing time behind the OL).
  2. Chargers: WR Keandre Lambert-Smith (explosive; impressed vs press coverage in preseason; big-play ability; Penn State→Auburn path).
  3. Chiefs wild card: CB Christian Fulton (healthy/when on field can play press/off; “boom-bust” due to staying healthy; needs depth after Super Bowl issues).
  4. Chiefs: LT Josh Simmons (elite left-tackle tape; injury/immaturity concerns drove slide; now returning quickly).
  5. Broncos: WR/TE Evan Ingram (adds after-catch “juice” to complement Sean Payton’s middle-of-field mismatch style; plus Broncos defense discussion: Dre Greenlaw impact; debate vs Talanoa Hufanga/Jayden Barron).

Notable examples

preseason press-man success for Lambert-Smith; Harbaugh’s comments on Hampton’s vision; Fulton’s health history; Simmons’ Senior Bowl/agent Drew Rosenhaus involvement.

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Overview of the AFC West Impact Players

0:35 to 1:03

Discussion on the 5 rookies and veterans impacting the AFC West this season.

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Discussion on the 5 rookies and veterans impacting the AFC West this season.

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Overview of the AFC West Impact Players

2:51 to 3:21

Discussion on the 5 rookies and veterans impacting the AFC West this season.

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Chargers' Rookie: Amar Hampton

3:21 to 5:21

Daniel Jeremiah breaks down the potential of Chargers' rookie Amar Hampton.

“You cover the Chargers as their radio voice, so you know this division very well.”

Rookie Analysis and Wild Card Picks

5:21 to 11:27

In-depth analysis of AFC West rookies, including wild card player Christian Fulton.

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Concerns and Player Analysis

14:01 to 19:17

Discussion on player concerns and the dynamics of the Chiefs' offensive line.

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Broncos' Potential with New Additions

22:45 to 28:01

Analyzing the impact of new players on the Broncos’ offense and defense.

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NFL Athletes' Physical Evolution

28:01 to 28:36

Discussing the increasing size and explosiveness of NFL players and its impact on the game.

“I feel like this year because, and we talked about this on Move the Sticks the other day, because everybody's playing shell coverage.”

Rookie Spotlight: Ashton Gentry

28:36 to 29:20

Analyzing Ashton Gentry's potential role and impact with the Raiders offense.

“So the one that I had, which was the third one where I bounced around the order a little bit here was obvious Ashton Gentry with the, with the Raiders.”
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Geno Smith's Role in the Offense

29:20 to 30:49

Exploring Geno Smith's importance and challenges as the offensive leader.

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Dad Humor and Personal Touches

30:49 to 31:58

Light-hearted discussion about personal life and humor in parenting.

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Defensive Challenges for Geno Smith

31:58 to 33:03

Discussing the defense's pressures and their implications for Geno Smith's performance.

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Malcolm Koontz and Raiders Defense

33:03 to 34:46

Highlighting Malcolm Koontz's potential impact on the Raiders' defensive line.

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Wide Receiver Prospects: Jack Besch and Thornton

34:46 to 36:14

Evaluating Jack Besch and Dante Thornton as emerging wide receiver talents.

“It's interesting you hear that and I think Raiders fans will be excited to hear that, that there is the expectation, that the hope that he gets up into that third spot.”

Telegraphing Routes and NFL Terminology

36:14 to 37:31

Discussing the evolution of NFL terminology and scouting language.

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2:15you. Welcome to 40s and free agents. I'm Greg Rosenthal joined as always by my friend, move the sticks, Daniel Jeremiah. Can I call you a friend? Yes, you can call me a friend. And I can tell you that I thought you did a wonderful job after having to retape this open six times. Greg's a little rusty. That is not true. I've retape it one time and I knew you You would bring it up. And it's fine. It's a podcast. You can re-record things if you want. Speaking of which, everyone that signed up for the 40s and Free Agents feed this week, we noticed you. We saw you. We appreciate you. If you are listening to this show and you are not yet signed up for 40s and Free Agents on iTunes, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, do us a favor and please do that and you'll hear all of our big takes.

3:03What's up? Can I also add on to that? Throw a little review and a little rating on it, too. Give us a little of that action. It would help. As we're launching this thing into the sun, let's go through the five rookies, DJ, in your division, the AFC West. You cover the Chargers as their radio voice, so you know this division very well. You're going to give us five rookies that are going to make a big impact this season. I'm going to give you five veterans that were added in the offseason, but you can get us going. Yeah, sure. And if you missed it, go back, listen to the NFC West episode. On that one, we had a lot more mid-round picks.

3:39You know, I just felt the way it shook out that there was more guys in that range of the draft that would have an immediate impact. And this is what we're doing on this study is, again, I'm looking for these guys to step on the field, impact right away. In this division, it's a lot of chalk. And I'll start, first of all, with the team that I cover in the Chargers, Amar and Hampton, their first-round pick. This is someone, the size, speed, you know, can catch out of the backfield. All those things are there. There's the two things that I would say that have stood out in terms of talking to coaches, being out there at practice, seeing him in the preseason the other night.

4:11This is someone who, in pass protection, coaches rave about him. So what's the biggest hurdle for young backs is get on the field, stay on the field, is pass protection. He's really, really good in that department. So that's going to bode well for him getting a lot of play time. Number two is, you know, talking to Coach Harbaugh before this last preseason game. And he's been really impressed with his vision, which was, you know, some of a question mark with him coming out was like, okay, he's got the height, weight, speed. He can catch it. He can block, do all these things. But how is the vision?

4:42And he said he's been very impressed, even in practices where they aren't padded up, which can be a little bit difficult for running backs. It's a lot of mud. You don't see it. It's a lot of, you know, walls of people. There's not a lot of seams that create. Harbaugh actually uses those periods to kind of gauge and see how these guys are seeing things. Did a nice job. Now, in the first preseason game, there's a run to the left. outside. I would like to see him square shoulders, get north and south and plow through. I believe it was Rock Yasin. Gonna ran through him for a touchdown. He tries to stretch it.

5:11Doesn't get there. I think that's a learning experience for him. Long way of saying he's going to play an awful lot, Greg. And I think behind this offensive line, I think he has a really nice year for the Chargers. Yeah, Najee Harris coming off that eye injury. Not that I thought Najee would be the 1A to Hampton's 1B anyways, but it's just giving Hampton a longer runway to be the man. And I love hearing that. I love that you're there at practice hearing that, that you're literally hearing it from Jim Harbaugh because fantasy football, I am going big on a Marion Hampton. Like reality, I'm going big on a Marion Hampton.

5:46I hear you. Wait, are you sneaking your guy, Keiondre Lambert-Smith in here? Because you said, you know, you're mostly going with chalk and that was a fifth round pick. He was a young receiver for the Chargers already making some noise who I couldn't help but notice. you had higher than just about anyone. You know, you had him in your top 150. People are like, I've prepped for 40 wide receivers. I never even heard of this guy. And then the Chargers take him, and it really supports the accusations that you are a shadow GM of the team that you work for. Would you like to answer those accusations?

6:18What's the last thing we're supposed to be doing? We're supposed to be doing a wild card. Yeah, a wild card. But, well, I guess, should I just do my wild card now? Do you want to just steal the rest of the rundown here? I mean, we don't have a rundown. that's you know i didn't know who you're gonna pick how about some faith and trust in your partner here we could share the rundown ahead of time or you could just go along with it and have a nice chargers conversation right at the top of the show this is like we talk about in scouting we use the term fbi okay football intelligence it's instincts it's awareness it's an understanding greg's podcast fbi atrocious just no feel whatsoever you knew i liked the guy going into the draft.

6:59He lights up practice. He scores in the freaking Hall of Fame game. You think I'm not going to mention? Come on, dude. Just a little faith and confidence in your partner here, bud. Okay, so if I was a football player, obviously physically talented, but just not really with the instinct to what you compared. Yeah, you can't find and play the ball. I mean, it's like, oh, you're in great coverage down the field, but hey, let's locate the ball. The ball's just getting completed right over his shoulder. I'm like Jeff Okuda in my first three stops, although there is some good positive pop that he's turning it around with the Vikings.

7:32All right, go on with Keandre Leverett Smith. Yeah, yeah, look, he's been really good, and he's explosive. The one thing that was great to see in the preseason is, I go back through my notes, the speed was there. He's a Penn State transfer who then goes to Auburn. Big plays down the field. I mean, he looks beautiful. He is a big, just physical, fast dude. The question was press. Like, there were some times in college where they got up into him and press coverage, and he struggled with it. So we go to this preseason game, and he ends up, it was Rake-A-Straw, Ennis Rake-Straw from the Lions. He lined up nose-to-nose, and they're a press man team, Detroit is.

8:09And the first time, I literally, that was, I told the money as we're calling the game, like, ooh, we got press coverage down here. Lambert Smith excited. Literally, boom, he beats, wins right off the line. It's like a 29, 30-yard completion on a fade from Trey Lance. Like, well, that's a great sign. And then a couple more times they get press, including on the goal line. he jabs him hits a slant touchdown I'm like okay like this is if he's getting off press coverage with all the other skill set that he possesses he is going to get on the field and have an impact but there you go Greg I I'm getting excited you mentioned doing the game with money and I can't help think back to last weekend Canton when Antonio Gates gets inducted the very last thing you hear before Antonio Gates walks on the field is Matt Money Smith's fantastic call of him setting a touchdown record.

8:58I think what you need to do, DJ, is you need to start shoehorning in on some big-time calls. Stepping on him. Stepping on him. Like if Khalil Mack, I'm trying to think who could possibly, Khalil Mack, if he breaks some sort of record, or Justin Herber as his career is developing. You want to get into that spot. Don't let money get all the shine there. You know what I used to do? This is sad to say, but when I first started doing these games, the times where you would hear that, I don't, you know, I don't know who does inside the NFL because you'd show the clips from the game and they would have some audio on there and stuff.

9:32I didn't have I don't have HBO or any of the stations that was on. So that was not my jam. But my jam was when this top 100 list would come out because the top 100 list would come out and then they play some of the radio calls as they're, you know, they're going over those players. And then I quickly realized this is a play by play sport, man. This is not a this is not a color analyst sport. This is a play by play sport. And so you're going to get money and that's what the people want. And that's what the people deserve. Yeah, that was a big diversion there, but I want you getting in there and look, we play you on NFL daily.

10:03We're doing highlights each and every week. So if the chargers win a lot of games and Keandre Lambert Smith is scoring touchdowns, then, then we should do it. Let's, let's all throw out my wild card just to keep, keep us on the same page now. And it is a former charger. It's Christian Fulton with the chargers. The reason I point that out and, And I mentioned this on our AFC takeaways, and I kind of forgot about Fulton, to be honest, because he hasn't been on the field, which is something that's happened a lot for him throughout his career. He really hasn't been on the field consistently enough.

10:34He was for the Chargers a year ago, but he's a cornerback that I think they're counting on a lot because if you look at their problems in that Super Bowl, they really just didn't go deep enough at the cornerback position. You should mention that he's with the Chiefs, not with the Chargers anymore, by the way. That would be good. He is with the Chiefs now, so he changes places in the division. I think he's a good player. And you can tell me what you think about him and what you saw. I think he's a really good player. And so to me, he's kind of a boomer bust player for them because after him, it gets pretty thin where it's Shamari Connor and Naze Johnson and some of these guys who were getting torched in that Super Bowl.

11:09Well, McDuffie's pretty good. Right. But you need three cornerbacks. You got Jalen Watson as your two. I think in today's NFL, you need four. and I think it falls off pretty steeply maybe after McDuffie and Watson. So to me, Christian Fulton is my wild card. That's a good one. Look, he can play any way you want to play. When he's healthy and on the field, he can play press. He can play off. He's got good eyes. He can play the ball. He's a good player. He just hasn't been able to stay healthy. That's it. I mean, that's it, but that's a good one. All right, give me another of your top rookies. I'll stay with the Chiefs.

11:45I mean Josh Simmons you know and this is one you've already heard all the buzz he's the left tackle like you just plug him and play him the talent was never a question you know he got hurt at Ohio State last year but his tape when he's on the field is good or better than anybody else in the draft I mean it literally is he had the best left tackle tape if you're just going to go off of the tape so how did the league let the Chiefs get him? because you had injuries and you had immaturity and it was that combination that scared people off so look Look, Drew Rosenhaus brought him to the Senior Bowl when he wasn't playing in the Senior Bowl because he knew there was concerns about him and he wanted him to be around the team so they could get to know him and get more comfortable with him.

12:24That doesn't happen if you're sitting there knowing you're the most talented tackle in the draft and there's no cause for concern. You're not parading him down there to the Senior Bowl. So that was where the league is. And the ability was never a question with him. Now, it looks like he's come back really, really quickly and strong from this injury. And so far, so good. All accounts, he's doing everything he needs to do. But there's guys like this every year, Greg. And what happens is there's some of them will go on and have unbelievable careers. And you say, the whole league is stupid. Why were they worried about this?

12:57And then what happens is those are the ones that are remembered. The ones that aren't remembered are the guys who a year or two in, like there's some things that pop up or there's immaturity or, you know, and then the guy kind of fades away. and it's like nobody ever gets an apology for why they passed on someone or with injuries, and all of a sudden that injury ends up being a major issue year two or three. I'm just telling you, we talked about it in 40s and free agents before the draft about how gifted he is and how talented he was. This was not one of those issues with him. I hear all that, and I do wonder if the teams overrate the injury at the time of the draft.

13:33You want everyone to be 100 % pristine, but this is a four or five-year commitment for first-round picks, and you've got to have the long view. I do think sometimes team overrate a guy coming off an injury a little. But now the immaturity stuff, I would like to ask, what does that mean? I've never traded in that information. So I've always just kind of put it under that umbrella. It just served no purpose for me to get into that. So I've never done it with any player. It was just, it was enough where I call around to people and say, is there anything, are there any issues or any concerns? And with him, there were some concerns.

14:12So I put it under that umbrella. I don't want to be an investigative reporter, and I don't want to ever trash anybody, so I don't ever trade in that. This is how DJ plays the long game. He just keeps his hands clean. There's no winning in that. And I want all these guys to do great. So, I mean, there's no winning in that. I'm just saying. That's Rapsheet's job. Like, everyone can dislike Rapsheet. and that's fine. Yeah, that's literally at the draft. I mean, I'm sitting here. Ian's there to serve that purpose. Why is this guy still there when he's really, really talented? That's why. So I could have gone with Jalen Moore.

14:42I was thinking about him. If you're not familiar with him, he was the backup to Trent Williams. He was a left tackle for the 49ers last year when Trent Williams got hurt and they gave him$15 million a year, DJ. And now they've got what's called a great problem where he is now battling at right tackle with Juwan Taylor and at left guard with their former second round pick Kingsley's Suamatea. It's a lot of Chiefs offensive line talk, but to me that that's a bonus because he'll probably wind up starting in one of those spots and there's injuries and you're going to need them. So now after not having enough offensive linemen, somehow they traded away Joe Tooney and they might have too many, which is a great thing.

15:17So forget him. Let me ask you this question real quick on this topic before we keep it moving. If they had, I don't know, it's a pretty extreme vision of this, but if the Chiefs had Milata and Lane Johnson in the two Super Bowls they lost, did they win those two Super Bowls? Wow. Well, do you take it away from the Eagles? They'd have to go both ways in the one against the Eagles. Okay, I was going to say, because if suddenly the Eagles have their tackles, then yes, I think the answer might be yes. That Bucs night was I think even more than just two players. That was too much. Oh, Shaq Barrett and those, they eviscerated them on the edge.

15:56Then again, And the Eagles got it done on both sides of the ball. It is really crazy to think two of the most one-sided Super Bowls of all time were quarterbacked by Patrick Mahomes, at least in the last 15 years. It is crazy. But, I mean, I think you would say that if that, what was the biggest weakness of those Chiefs teams that didn't seal the deal and didn't, it was the tackles. So, not surprised that they addressed it in a big way here. Am I up next? No, that wasn't even one of mine. I'm going. I'm going. Well, I just was saying, like, you know, I just wanted to mention that he was there too.

16:28You just did all that and he doesn't count as one of your guys? We're going to have to ask our producer, Drew, does that count as one of the guys? He says no, so I'll do it very quickly. Evan Ingram is added to a Broncos mix at receiver slash tight end that to me needed a little more juice, a little more after the catch ability. It's a pretty big drop from Cortland Sutton, who is a great guy on the boundaries, but we need some guys who can make some plays after the catch and I think Evan Ingram could be very important for this Broncos team who to me did does need a little more juice in terms of their skill position players yeah he gives them some explosive plays I want to say if you go back and look but I want to say the Chargers had him in and he was in the mix and then they ended up pivoting from him I think to Conklin so they brought in Conklin from the Jets but he was coveted by a team in the division as well and it does give him some some explosiveness and a dynamic piece of that offense.

17:25So I know that was, you know, much was made about Sean Payton saying he wanted his joker, which is going to get me to my next guy that I'm going to mention here in a minute. But all the great Sean Payton offenses have had middle of the field mismatch players, whether that's backs, H-backs, tight ends, or whatever you call Taysom Hill. So having someone like that, I think, was definitely on his checklist in the offseason. Wait, so who's your next player? R.J. Harvey. Oh, okay. R.J. Hartby, second-round pick, who is like a Darren Sproles clone, just a bolt of lightning out of the backfield, big-time speed.

18:02He can separate and win one-on-one the pass game. So to me, every offensive Sean Paytons has had a back that can do the things that R.J. Hartby does, and I think he is a great fit there. Yeah, I think fantasy football players were alarmed when they add J.K. Dobbins deep into the offseason. and it's like, no, J.K. Dobbins is there to upgrade what was, I guess, the Odrick Estime spot. And those two guys do different things. And they're not going to count on Harvey, you don't think, to touch the ball 20 times a game or anything, do you? He doesn't need to. He doesn't need to. He's going to have some 100-yard games, like combined yards, 100-yard games with 10 to 12 touches.

18:39Like that's all he's going to need to get 100 yards. He's going to make some explosives. I think it could be one of the best defenses in the entire NFL. They're a good team, man. And we'll get to them and their defense actually right after this break.

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22:45Oh, back on 40s and free agents. And you heard it before the break. DJ loves the Broncos. Jordan Rodrigues loves the Broncos. Everybody loves the Broncos. My theory on that, just a little bit, DJ, is everyone just likes Sean Payton and his buddies with Sean Payton. And so they're rooting for him. Not in your case, really, but I think the rest of the media. I can honestly tell you, I'm trying to think of who all is in their personnel department. I have one friend in their personnel department, but he's a friend that I'll talk to and see him twice a year with the Chargers. Don't have Sean Payton's number.

23:19I don't think he would even know who I am. Come on. He knows the game. He's come in the booth a couple times at the Combine, but I've never had a one-on-one conversation with him. He knows the media game. And yeah, I understand all the Broncos buzz because they have a lot of continuity. They have a rookie quarterback who really played better than you could have possibly expected. I still worry that they don't have quite enough juice on offense to really battle with the big boys. But then you look at that defense, DJ, after adding my pick here, Dre Greenlaw, and you just think, man, what can't this defense do?

23:56It is rare to see a defense that at every level feels loaded. And after adding Dre Greenlaw, who to me is a tone setter, who can rush the passer, certainly is great in run defense, just a tough guy. And you get Alex Singleton back from an injury. You had this kid, Justin Strenad, last year who they were using to blitz who actually played quite well for them as kind of a fourth or fifth year player. And I think that's no longer a weakness either. And I just love everything I've heard in terms of what Greenlaw has added so far to that mix. He's got to stay healthy. He's been a little bit in and out of practice already this offseason.

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24:36But when you look at Dre Greenlaw, what kind of impact do you think he can have on this defense? I like him. I mean, you touched on his skill set. I'm going to tell you that I think you picked the wrong guy. I think you had the right side of the ball. I think you had the right former team. I think you had the wrong player. I had to go one to represent it. So yes, I could have gone with Talanea Hufanga, who's playing at safety. I mean, he talked about not staying on the field. Hufanga, and I'm just throwing out a number here. If I told you that we looked up at the end of the season behind this front seven, Hufanga has seven picks next year.

25:10Would that shock you? No, not if he stays on the field because he is also, he's a safety that's going to be supported by some excellent cornerback play around him, which will give him a little bit of freedom. He's going to be freed up and that's who he is. Like he is to me, he's not a height, weight, speed guy. He is all instincts and all feel. And instinct feel guys don't work great when you need them as helpers. When you need him to help cover someone that you're not capable of stopping and he's got a shadow, what those guys are at their best is when you say, hey, you're free. You're going to end up over here, over there, up to you.

25:45Whatever you see and feel, go do it. And if that's how, and I think that is how he's going to be using this defense, he is going to touch a lot of footballs. Okay. I hear that. Part of the reason I didn't choose him was their secondary was already very good. They also add Jaday Barron. Maybe he's on your list. I don't know. I know you liked him a lot in the draft. How's my football instincts here? Wrong. But I do like him. I do like him a lot. You had him as like a top 12 player. But that was partly why I didn't pick who Funga was. I thought you might pick Barron. And their secondary was already good.

26:19My first three guys that I went with, I mean, I get to the third one here because I've jumped out of order. But as I was composing this, we're all first rounders and I'm like I don't want it's not a good show if I'm just doing six first round guys I mean if we're getting the great move the sticks analysis one last thing on this Broncos defense and on Greenlaw specifically one thing I'm hearing this offseason is like because linebackers are killing defenses it's like the difference between a great defense and not are your linebackers killing you or not I'm talking about you know a guy like Trey Greenlaw and what I think a lot of teams say they really need now is they need a linebacker that needs to be part of like the rush package you know like why why is that so important now do you think compared to maybe five years ago well it's you know running cover has always been a big thing with linebackers we went through the era with the plugger like that got eliminated those guys no longer exist anymore so it was a big emphasis on coverage and then what's happened is it's become so hard to get to the quarterback by traditional means um and they can know where your big edge rush you know your premier edge guy and they can direct attention so you're seeing a lot of these kind of mug fronts and then you're trying to just find one-on-ones and can you win with a back and you know there's the old saying that backers on backs equals sacks like there's that's the best matchup in terms of pass rush is going to be a linebacker on a running back so those guys are valuable when you can when you can win inside it's in the face of the quarterback and it's a favorable matchup on a back so that's kind of where it is the other trend i I would say as we're hitting little sidebar trend topic here, used to be talking to teams around the league this time of year that bad teams wanting to get better was always, you know, we got so much faster.

28:00We're so much more athletic. We're more explosive. I feel like this year because, and we talked about this on Move the Sticks the other day, because everybody's playing shell coverage. Everybody's playing with too high safeties. Everybody I talk to is like, man, we're just, we're a lot bigger. We're a lot bigger and stronger up front now. Like it just ebbs and flows how the league goes and what you're looking for. but it's like everybody has tried to get bigger up front with their defensive line. And it all makes sense. And yet if everyone's doing it, you know, do you, do you get the advantage that you need?

28:27It's the teams that can obviously do it the best that have been doing it the longest that are, they have a year head start like your Jim, Jim Harbaugh chargers. All right. Give me a, give me another rookie. So the one that I had, which was the third one where I bounced around the order a little bit here was obvious Ashton Gentry with the, with the Raiders. I mean, the offense is going to run through him. Pete Carroll, has a style. I mean, I know he's a miniature version, but the Marshawn Lynch, the battering ram, the tough, he's an identity back. There aren't many backs. There's a lot of great backs, but there's not many backs that literally provide the identity to an offense and to the team.

29:02This is what Pete Carroll, every good team he's had has had this style of player. So I think they feed him early and often. I'm curious to see how this offensive line comes together. They got some good young pieces. I like Powers Johnson is a good player, But I think as that offensive line kind of gets going, I think you're going to see Ash and Gentry have a really good year. Moving Powers Johnson to guard, which is very surprising to me. It looks like that's going to stick. I like him better at center. Yeah, I was surprised by that. Maybe it's just about getting the best five, and they didn't feel great about Alex Kappa, who they brought in as a free agent.

29:34We'll see. Yeah, all the reports on Gentry so far are really encouraging in terms of his pass protection and his pass receiving. which wasn't the thing he majored in college. Right. And they're saying they just didn't know how he would adapt. And so far, so good. I mean, I might as well go with who is clearly the biggest addition in this entire division. It's the guy who's going to be throwing some swing passes, some screens. It's Geno Smith. I mean, they're counting on Geno to do a lot because you could say that the offense runs through Ashton Jenney. And I would agree with you because he doesn't have a lot of outside receivers.

30:15He's got maybe the best tight end in the entire league. Forget just young tight end, just tight end and Brock Bowers. That's their number one. Jacoby Myers is an inside guy as well. Michael Mayer is a good young player and he's inside as well. So it's a lot of inside receivers and Geno Smith has won over the middle quite a bit throughout his career. It's a big year for Geno Nation, DJ, because this ride that we've been on, where ball knowers know that he's even better than you realize and just throws a beautiful football and was held down by the Jets way back in the day. It's been amazing, but this could take it to another level.

30:53What, your DJ is now on the phone. I'm sorry. You're saying I'm talking too long. Hold on one second. I'm just calling my brother. I was going to meet him for lunch in two hours. Dave, can we push it back? Yeah, he's talking about Geno Smith. Can we push that back just probably another hour and a half? I mean, what are your thoughts then? Yeah. Sorry about that. I just had to make a change of schedule on the plans. Go ahead. anything else you want to add on Gino? I know it's tough because your kids are getting old and they're moving out of the house and stuff and so you don't have a place to use all your dad humor so just bring it here.

31:23Give it to me. There's nothing better than dad humor. Have you settled into your dad humor yet? Are your kids old enough? Yes. Do your kids think you're funny? No. Smart kids. They're 13 and 10 and I have settled into it. I mean I think I'm funny but they definitely don't think I'm funny. Did they ever think you were funny? yeah back I think when they were younger not like haha like tickle you but like really like they made you you made them laugh yeah back in the day sneaky funny you know I think you just bring Jeselnik over to the house I was gonna say I did host a long running successful comedy podcast the Justin Lick and Rosenthal Vanity Project I mean yeah and that's like Jim Sorge saying he was part of a very successful quarterback room with the Colts DJ DJ is sneaky funny, but I don't think your kids ever thought you were funny, did they?

32:16Well, yeah, I think he'd disagree with you on that. But what do you think about Geno? Like, for real? No, I like Geno. I like Geno. I don't know if they have the pieces on the outside for this to be a prolific passing offense, and I think Pete Carroll's going to want the identity of this team to go through the ground. So I don't think he's going to post, you know, wow numbers, but I think they're going to be competitive. I think they're a team that's good enough to be in a lot of games. I don't know if they're good enough to win a lot of games, if that makes any sense. Well, the talent on defense, and we'll get to that, is just not there, at least not on paper.

32:46So I do feel like it could be another season where Gino is better on film than he is in terms of just his stats, which is the last thing that I want to be litigating again in 2025 as the Seahawks give up the fifth highest pressure rate in the entire NFL. I'm just going to stay with the Raiders. I don't want to just keep talking, though. Malcolm Koontz to me is so important for this team who they brought back. And I don't think a lot of people know about him too much, but was on fire before he tore his ACL a couple of years ago. And I put him here just because, you know, after Christian Wilkins was cut and you look at the back seven of this event, like just not a lot of talent.

33:23They need him to kind of help provide an identity with Max Crosby. Yeah, that's a Mike Mayock special there. He's got speed. He's got burst. you know the question is going to be because max can freelance a little bit and then he's kind of an up the field speed guy i think there are going to be times where they're going to get gashed a little bit um with those guys getting up the field but he is going to be a pressure player in a division with the three quarterbacks that they're going up against in mahomes herbert and nicks like having somebody that can win off the edge is going to be big and i think he's uh he's proven he can do that when he's out there and healthy i'm going to go just because we are just so Raider heavy right here.

34:02Because my last one is another Raider. It's Jack Besch. Who, you know, talking to guys out there, the expectation is he'll emerge as the third wide out. So we'll see how he settles in there. It sounds like in camp he's just kind of getting better and better and better. But someone who man, he's got such an incredible story. The adversity he's been through. He's an easy guy to root for first and foremost. But he's big. He can win in the middle of the field. He can win on 50-50 balls. So Geno, I think he'll get Geno's trust. Whether he's in the slot, you're trying to hit fades with him there, or whether you're down in the red zone, I think he's going to be someone you feel okay putting the ball in harm's way because he's either going to get it or he's going to get it away from the defense.

34:43He's just too competitive. He's not going to lose many of those situations. It's interesting you hear that and I think Raiders fans will be excited to hear that, that there is the expectation, that the hope that he gets up into that third spot. You've actually been hearing more about Dante Thornton and this is why I like hosting 40s and free agents. We can have a structure and a bit, but I just want to know something about Dante Thornton. Not a guy I know much about and a fourth round pick who has a real chance to be the starting X for the Raiders. So I'm just curious if you had any takes about whether he could be a guy that contributes right away.

35:20Supposedly, he's impressed that QB room there that Gino made a comment that he can trust throw into Thornton on the outside to win. Well, he's ginormous. So he was 6045, so almost six foot five, 205 pounds. He ran 4 '3 flat. So he's got big, big speed. The way they used him at Tennessee, they have those super wide splits. So he's way outside. He had a lot of bang eights. So, you know, those are, you know, those skinny posts. Think about the old school Cowboys, Michael Irvin, you know, he lived on that on that route. So those skinny posts, he was excellent. Lots of vertical winners. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder.

35:58You could get him the ball out on some of those RPO slants in that Tennessee offense. Now, the thing was, he just didn't have a lot of wiggle as a route runner. Telegraphed his routes a little bit, which, by the way, that probably falls into my antiquated scouting terminology. Telegraphs his routes. I don't know if many young folks know about telegraphs. But he's not great in terms of the nuance of the position. I mean, it's just a word that over time, no longer really meant how it was originally meant. I think everyone knows what telegraphing a pass would be, like in basketball or football. I don't know that they do.

36:32I think maybe our generation does. I don't know that. It's not like we were sending telegraphs to each other. Maybe you were. No, but I know. But I don't. Our coaches said that to us. I go to my kids. My kids have made it through the high school process. My youngest is a senior. I've been to some practices that I don't remember with my kids them hearing don't telegraph. I'm just saying it's not all about the technology staying up to date. Like lithograph, that's gone. Monograph, that's gone. But telegraph, we've talked about it. Phone booth. Can't get open in a phone booth. It's funny you talking about Thornton.

37:05You know who he sounded exactly like, DJ? Who's that? Every single wide receiver that Al Davis used to draft. So that sounds like a great Raiders. Darius Hayward Bay? Is that where you're going? Yeah, just like size, weight, speed. You can go back to the 80s. 90s so yeah to bring it back to Irvin they're not losing recipes there with the Raiders that's a good phrase that's held up I really do feel like Michael Irvin losing recipes is the number one moment in the history of NFL Network but I think maybe me and you DJ we could top that at some point in this little build up do you have another one is that it or do you have another one that's it we did it next week Can you encourage the folks to subscribe to this bad boy and then leave us a little rating and review?

37:55Sell it. You just did it. I mean, they'll listen to you more. You're more of an authority, but yes. What's the Reddit thread going to have to say about this thing coming back is my question. I just, like, as we're texting, and they must have heard it through NFL Daily, I just got a text from a friend, a listener, just that says, Yeah, 40s and free agents. The people are excited. it and and they'd be even more excited i think if you don't need to see it in your feed multiple times so i'm trying to convince the iheart our bosses that we don't need to do that anymore 40s and free agents can live on its own so for that to happen everyone needs to subscribe and then yeah hit that five-star review write something nice about dj's polo and for those um that don't have it as greg was just mentioning a listener at texan so if you don't have greg's number it is 310.

38:44No, sorry. Anyways. I still got that 646. Just give out your phone number to listeners. I love that. Back in my New York. I mean, he's... Is that guerrilla marketing? Is that what we refer to that as? He's a friend and a listener, but I'm a businessman. I view everyone as a listener. You're a listener to me, DJ. Hope. I appreciate that. I hope you're checking out NFL Daily. We will be back next week. AFC North, NFC North. We'll see you then.

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