40s and Free Agents with Mina Kimes: Favorite Players in the 2026 NFL Draft

26:27It's one of those weird things. He's longer. He's an inch taller, but McCoy, when you watch McCoy and Delaney back-to-back, McCoy looks like such a bigger guy for a guy who's one pound different. You could galaxy brain it a little bit and think, well, I'd rather his torn ACL be at the end of the 24 season rather than the 25 season. He's recovered. Today's torn ACL is not the same as 20 years ago for the most part.

26:52Gregg Rosenthal:Better an ACL than a foot. who's the other players right I know I got some injury guys coming up too all right DJ give me another one first of all they did put ours in there so I mean I don't Jedi Baron did not start for Denver last year but it's a great defense I'm going to give myself a pass there Jack Bash didn't do anything but at least Travion Henderson and Tyler Warren I got some I got something there Greg went with the Milrow Izuraku Kyle Williams trifecta so I mean I think he's clearly got the gold medal. I'm very secure in my silver medal status. You do like the rag game. I'm looking for fun, and Kyle Williams, in terms of 40-yard catches per target, might have led the NFL.

27:33I think he had three big plays in about 12 targets.

27:37Gregg Rosenthal:You just love speed, man. You love Jameson Williams. You love Kyle Williams. You love Concepcion. You're a fiend for it. I guess so. You know the one he bragged about the most, though, Mina? Greg knows what it is. George Pickens, number two? 100%. I'm like, Greg, it's not anything about the ability, man. Greg thought that he was like, I've scouted the whole league. Like, you guys are idiots. This guy's really talented. I'm like, you think? Freaking Sherlock Holmes over here being able to sniff out the talent of George Pickens on tape. All right, am I up or are you up? Yes, I'm waiting. All right, I'm going to give you a fun one.

28:14This is Caleb Proctor, who's a defensive tackle from Southeast Louisiana. In a draft that I do not love the defensive tackle class, especially as it pertains to rushing the quarterback, he has got some upfield twitch and some juice and can rush the quarterback. I remember highlighting Milton Williams when he was coming out and somebody you'd identify in those middle rounds who's got tons of juice. Obviously, he exceeded expectations. But I don't have as high a grade as I did on Milton Williams, but he's in that category. And to me, he's that target guy. You want to target a guy in the middle rounds who you think can give you some interior pastor i should be him how big is he i was just looking it up because i remember okay yeah he looks small he is um caleb proctor 6017 291 he ran 479 it's always funny when we're in this position you're like yeah he looks small it's like 61 to imagine seeing that man in real

29:07Gregg Rosenthal:life 297 pounds you can't see size right yeah so i i know enough to know that dj if you're seeing him this way do you think that he is going to be one of those targets maybe a higher ranked cole strange who we didn't know but many teams were targeting back as like oh he's going to be our third round guy do you think and is that going to push him up maybe a little higher than people yeah i think he was kind of in that like start the process you're like i'd love to get this guy in the fourth round and as you go through the process you're like he probably have to take him in the third round you know like that's kind of where he is for me yeah i mentioned can see his i haven't watched a lot of him only a little bit uh i was trying to remember how i wrote down small and i wrote reminds me a little klyde can't see and uh can't see when you see yeah right like wins with um immediate penetration but lacks the size you get banged around in there yeah but i'd rather have him i'd rather have him and we'll get to it later but there's another defensive tackle talked about in the first round i'm like i don't know i think i'd rather just get this guy in the third round really i have some like third round types coming up but since since mina's you know sniped conception not sniped but we both love them um we haven't had a jeremiah love conversation on this particular show and so i'm just going to put him out there as my guy because as as a guy because as you know i want to have hear what you guys think and i know you've talked a lot about draft value Mina when it comes to love but we haven't I don't know Titans fans are not happy with me although I did did I see that you had him drop I had him I had him go to Kansas City with the ninth this is this is fan brain they're so mad at me now and when they if they pass on him they're gonna be like Mina Kimes was right screw that guy we never liked him yeah value is everything so anyway my favorite part of the process is the is the fact like i i remember my first list i would this would be a great exercise when you put out your first something i remember putting on my first list and the most blowback i got was you have the white safety from oregon as like a top 20 player like that's insane and then now i guarantee if you look at some of the same user names would be like how did they can't pass on him at 12 they've got to take him at 12 if he's there at 12.

31:25And you have Love, what do you have Love, two in your top 50 prospects right now? Two in my top 50, yeah. But you went on Rich Eisen on SportsCenter. How about that? What was that like, by the way, DJ? I don't know. I mean, it's just worlds are colliding. That's where it is right now. So it's very, very bizarre. It was fun. You had like a mini mock draft preview. It's not going to be your official one, but yeah, you had Love falling to nine in that case. And if that happens, I do think people are overthinking it because just his feet with that size is just so unique. And I think if you just went with, you know, size, speed, measurements, all that, he's in balance.

32:06Like, it's obviously, like, a very unique running back prospect. but when you put it all together and his change of direction and like there was a play and, you know, in what was it in the Miami game where, you know, he, he steps a foot inside and he sees that it's cut up and then immediately can explode outside. It was actually ruined Bain trying to get him. And then there was a penalty on the play. And then he does one of his full speed hurdles and keeps his balance to get the first down. And it's, it's just so freaky that I do think he's in that like Bajan, maybe Saquon, but I think he's as good or better a prospect as Saquon.

32:44Like this is one of the best prospects of the last 25 years. And so they add his position, I mean, and so maybe, maybe you disagree, Mina, that he's just not that good, but if he is that good, then it just seems crazy to me to be thinking about questionable tackle prospects, for instance, ahead of him. And if you do believe in him that much, you're going to be right. Like you could end up with a Tyree Wilson over Bajon Robinson type of thing. If you're looking at positional value.

33:09Gregg Rosenthal:If he did drop to nine, you said, you know, it would be overthinking it. Who is the team though that you would point to as like, that was a mistake in, you know, ahead of the chiefs. Like if, if anyone takes a tackle, I feel like that's like, like if the Cardinals, you would never pick him for them. So like, you know what I mean? Like, but I don't think that's that crazy for them to pick them. Like that doesn't seem like a mistake to me. The Cardinals? I mean, it makes more sense. How many years into his career before they'd be willing to be able to support him? Well, like who? I mean, we've seen, like, was Bajon Robinson a mistake with Tyler Elgier?

33:43Why is that? Like, I think their line was in a better spot. I think that was the argument.

33:50Gregg Rosenthal:Are we gagging up on Greg? Is that how this? No, I don't like to do that. I like that. I think if there's a guy, you were talking about, like, the first team all pro, like, possibility or whatever. Jeremiah Love would have a chance. And I think the bigger thing is, like, would you rather, like, if you think he could be a Hall of Fame player, and maybe there aren't that many people that do think that, but if he's at that level of running back prospect, I do think that goes over a lot of guys like that aren't, like, normally top 10 picks. A lot of these guys would not normally be a top 10 pick anyways.

34:19Gregg Rosenthal:Who did you have Washington taking? I had Washington trading out. Oh, trading. Oh, yes, I saw that, and I was like, Washington should absolutely do that. Because that would be the team, to go back to my original question, where I might be like, maybe you overthought this one. If they were to take a receiver. But it's the only team where when I look at the roster and what shape they're in, where I feel personally a little bit more comfortable. However, I remember I saw your mock and I thought, no, there's absolutely zero chance in hell. They have no second-round pick. They're just a target to me.

34:52And off the subject, but I just look at the Jets and all the capital they have. They can afford to be aggressive and go up and get a receiver they desperately need. So that's why I did that one. But to get back to your conversation, I want to hit Mina on this one because I haven't even been on since this came out. So I don't know what the feedback. I'm sure that there's people losing their minds about the Kansas City love thing. But I'd love to get Mina's thoughts on it because it's a very layered conversation. I don't think it's an easy one, but I think it's a layered conversation.

35:23Gregg Rosenthal:the kansas city taking love there's i have two thoughts on it on one hand is setting aside walker who they you know they saw yeah it's really a two-year deal whatever uh on one hand i feel a little bit itchy because they have such great needs at such high value positions wide receiver corner edge right three of the most expensive positions in football are ones that they could stand to address but on the other hand the two first round picks does change the calculus a little bit and i think it what matters here is how they feel about their ability to get an impactful receiver corner or edge with that second first round pick i think receiver is a thing where you could they could really find someone there but boy that's asking a lot of Steve Spagnuolo if you go all offense.

36:17Gregg Rosenthal:So I guess it wouldn't be what I would do, but if they really believed they could get another contribute, having that extra pick from the McDuffie trade does help a lot. I do think Chiefs fans are leaning a little bit too hard on the, we can find a corner in the fifth round every year. Like that's a little, you know, that's hubris in my opinion, even though obviously the track record speaks for itself. And I do like Noel Williams, but I would, I have to look at your draft and see who was available to them. Was there anyone available that they passed up on? Bain was still there. Downs was still there.

36:53Downs was still there.

36:55Gregg Rosenthal:Downs would be really nice. And then, yeah. But you know what I mean about receiver? Doesn't it feel like they can, especially you take on, it's like they get a receiver later, I feel like. Yeah. Well, here's the other side of the coin that I'm looking at here. So a couple of different things. Number one, you had Love notoriously with Jadarion Price. Bryce was at his best complimented with another back. Kenneth Walker complimented with Charbonnet. I think having those two guys together would be dynamic. Biennemi comes in. You've got Mahomes coming off an injury. Obviously, we want to be able to run the football and make people pay for how they've played us for the last five years.

37:31And now we've got a way to keep two elite backs fresh who, oh, by the way, can also spark some creativity and rejuvenate the mind there with Andy Reid of like, I can get my screen game going. that I go pull out all my LaShawn McCoy stuff that I did back in the day, and I can reintroduce it here with a more dynamic version of that. I want to put both those guys on the field and be creative and let him roll out of the slot. I'm going to throw bubbles to him, all this kind of stuff. I just think it could kind of spark some life into an offense that nobody's really talked about has been so unexciting and unwatchable for the last few years.

38:07Gregg Rosenthal:The other thing about the Chiefs is like, and I've seen people mock offensive linemen to them, I think their line is fine. I mean, Simmons was a hit. They have more in the build. Like, they could continue adding there. Obviously, you're betting on recovery from injury. But, like, that to me is another reason. Like, Jeremiah Love, the reason why Washington was also something I'm okay with. Your first question is, what's the status of your offensive line? Chiefs is good. Like, that kind of feels. I don't love more, though. Yeah, you'd rather, you want them to upgrade? No, I mean, look, they're not committed, so to speak.

38:38But I think that they can be better there. and then Simmons there was reasons why he fell in the draft and he unfortunately wasn't available for a good chunk of the season so he talent wise is phenomenal like he's as talented as anybody in

38:52Gregg Rosenthal:the in the draft last year at that position it definitely requires some internal scouting yeah I think at a certain point isn't it just like how how much do you believe in the in these players that you are just about like if if if he is at the Bajon level like you're just not you're just not going to regret that pick. And I just think certainty is so hard to find. Like, and maybe he's, it's not certain, you know, if they lined up, if they lined up, I'll ask both of you this. If they lined up next year with no Williams and Chris Johnson at corner with in being coached by Dave Merritt and Steve Spagnuolo, I think they'd be fine at corner.

39:28How do you guys feel about that? He was, I mean, they, they won a super bowl with Jalen Watson. And I forget who the other guy was playing as rookies playing 30 snaps and Watson turns into a great player. it's tough to keep doing it. They do have your, your guy, Christian Fulton, by the way, still there. Still kicking around. Okay. Oh,

39:48Gregg Rosenthal:Chris Johnson on the Seahawks. And I just, my love guy. I'm just saying, I'm just saying like, it's not overthink it too much. Let's go Seahawks for a second. I never, I never got the word. If you guys even believe in him as, as that bunch of a prospect. I like our Mason Thomas as a fit with Seattle as well. Is there a couple of Seahawks? Yeah. I think edge is a sneaky one that people are sleeping on for Seattle, right? Because the, you've got older Lawrence is older. You lost mafia. You know, Jenna is not a spring chicken either. So yeah, I definitely think they could go. I actually like to the edges who are going to be, I like the edges and quarters that they'll be picking from if they're to stay, but they might not stay in the first round.

40:27That's a good call. I kind of expect, I was almost surprised Nwos was still on the roster. So you're right. That could be a very different looking group. All right, let's take a break and let's come back with some more favorite players of the draft.

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44:59Okay, we are back. I have made a fool of myself. Mina, you are next up. This is very important. Your third pick here.

45:08Gregg Rosenthal:Should I do Chris Johnson here? Because I just said I love him, but I didn't say why. It took me a while to get to him. I'm doing defensive players this week. We probably won't even talk about him that much. Although, I don't know. People are starting to watch. I feel like he's climbing. San Diego State, cornerback. I feel like I should start by saying that. I just could not believe how technically refined he looks to me on tape. And obviously not always the greatest competition, but the game that I watched first was Washington State. No. He killed Gal. Yeah, so I did watch that one. Washington State was the one that I watched first.

45:51Gregg Rosenthal:And I just found him to be so much more complete than I would have expected for a corner that I hadn't heard of talked about being in the top four or five players at the position. Good size, good measurables, such a smooth mover. But then just the plays on the football, I mean, always feels like his hands are in there, jarring it loose, good ball skills as well. So I just thought, you know, the corner being a need for Seattle. Also, I think he can play in different schemes as well, man zone. So, yeah, I just think to me, when you start getting into that tier of corners, your Colton Hoods, your Avion Terrells, you know, I thought there's some really good ones, but all of them I can kind of point to like, oh, I don't love this.

46:42Gregg Rosenthal:I was surprised by how complete Chris Johnson's game was when I watched him. Like I didn't you can tell me what the ding on him is, DJ. Like I was I was struggling to find it when I was watching him. So here's the fascinating, this is like one of my fascinating case studies with this draft, because with him, when I watched him, all the stuff me and I talked about, I loved. The only question was, okay, like some recovery speed stuff. I'm like, okay, like what does the pure top speed look like? Well, then he goes to the combine and he runs, I think four, four flat. Like he ran plenty fast. He had a phenomenal workout there, by the way, as well, just to see how loose he was.

47:16He's, he's real sturdy in his lower, like he is a strong, sturdy dude. so all that so then I come back and I was talking with somebody and I'm like did I really like him he's like my 35th player here at the end of the process but that I know I saw the time speed but there was some I did go through my notes and he goes he goes you realize San Diego State and I live in San Diego so once he said this it it connected he goes it's the worst playing surface like one of the worst playing surfaces in the country to the point where the MLS team that plays there had complained about it because the turf is always flying up and so I'll go okay it It was like a detective.

47:49I go back through all my notes and I'm like the question where I questioned some recovery speed, play speed. I go, was that a home game or a road game? Home game, home game, home game. So I was like, it was like this little investigative journey that I went on there. And I was like, and then they said the GPS numbers are exceptional. So his in-game GPS numbers, even at San Diego state are really, really good. It's just that in some of the recovery transition stuff, there's turf flying around a little bit. and you see the sand pop it up in the air. So it just messed with your eyes a little bit, oddly.

48:24Gregg Rosenthal:Washington State was at Washington State. We're just like, what did I? You're not going to help the local team here. They're hurting their draft prospects with their lousy field. Because I didn't, throughout this process, I didn't hear of him being mentioned as a first-round pick, but I've started to hear it a little bit more lately, which is what sort of prompted me to finally sit down. Do you think there's any chance he sneaks into the end of the first? Oh, 100%. Yeah, I think there's, you know, you get to the last handful of picks when you're going through the process. You're like, okay, there's 15 guys that could go in here.

48:55And he's really clean. So if you're picking towards the bottom of the first round, do you want to swing for the fences? Or do you want to just take a really clean, you know exactly what you're getting player?

49:05Gregg Rosenthal:Chiefs, Dolphins, Seahawks could all take a corner. I should mention that. I like it when you two agree on a player because DJ has been talking up Chris Johnson as kind of an underrated guy for a while. So that's just one to put in bold. All right, DJ, you got another one here. All right, I'll stay at the corner position. Every year I go through this exercise at the very end of the process where I look at my top 50 and it's the dumbest thing, but I just do it. And I go, okay, who do I have outside the top 50 that if they get picked in the top 50, I'm going to be sick to my stomach because I liked him, but I just didn't put him where I, you know, should have put my money where my mouth was basically.

49:43and I did it with Jalen Hurts when he was coming out and I'm like I understand the flaws but I'm like he's just so competitive and tough like I'm just gonna put him in there so I put him in there in like the late 40s or what have you so I've done this every year and this year I did it with D 'Angelo Pons I'm like he's been my undersized player he's so small but he's so competitive and he's so tough and this is how this is what got me over the threshold I've had him like in my and all the 150 will come out. But he'd been like in the 50-60 range, which is going to put him in the bottom of the second round.

50:15He's an exception, 100%. But I was talking to a team and we were talking about comps and I kind of brought up the ones that came to my mind that I looked at in terms of Ladarius Webb, Avante Maddox, like some smaller guys who I thought were really good players. And he's like, well, we go back a little bit further in our database. Like his everything, it's a different game we're playing now. I get that. But if you look at Aaron Glenn's numbers compared to him, they are identical and if you read the competitive background and the intelligence stuff identical so if you're going to bet on an exception it helps to have at least something i could grasp onto so i grasped onto that and i got him into the back of my top 50.

50:51who is the little tcu corner as little i know chargers took him yeah uh not uh not uh because he was so very jason verrett yeah is that what you're thinking of no no no i'm thinking about

51:04Gregg Rosenthal:the one recently. Mina's burned because she tried to make an exception with Emmanuel Forbes a couple years ago. I mean, everyone loved Emmanuel Forbes. Emmanuel Forbes is a fun little player. At least he was tall. At least he had some flashes last year. No, the little TCU. I just stopped saying little, sorry. TCU cornerback. Oh, no. Tomlinson. Tomlinson. Tomlinson. Yeah. To the Rams, I think. Yes, the Rams. Right, because he played the Rams preseason. He must have been about the same size as Spahn's 5 '8 and change. I think he might even have been smaller he was little but he also was like weirdly good at like climbing the ladder against bigger receivers and making plays in the football I mean I weirdly he reminds me of like the feistiness and Pons is a better player I don't know if I can get there with that size I love the name though I want to continue the theme I'm going to pick a similar player then too I was on the fence because I want to hear you guys talk about it it's partly because of an age question here keante scott oh yeah he's fun nickel i'm kind of a candidate to be a nickel slot player i think from miami he was that guy 192 pounds so not that small um but he plays like he's 240 i mean he thinks he's 240 he plays like a linebacker like yeah jalen petrie is is a high bar but if if he if he hit everything that he could ever hit you know that's the type i think of player that Keontae Scott is just so aggressive, forced fumbles, like just hilarious, talking trash.

52:36And also, I just think maybe where the league is going in terms of he can fit in a lot of these new defenses. But he is 25 years old. He didn't really break out until his sixth season in college. But really fun. I'm curious. I've not heard you, DJ, say anything about Keontae Scott. He's in my top 50. He is now. Oh, wait, is he? He's been in my top 50. Is that right? Yes. Well, let's talk about him. No, look, I love the way he plays, and it's not just because he's a San Diego kid. I can't say kid because he's 25. I just called a guy little like five times. I think kid is fine now for 25. He's 24.

53:12I think he's 24, right? 24 years old. No, yeah, he plays so – like I'm big on conviction with secondary players. I think that's a very important aspect of it. Right or wrong, just play with conviction. Just trust your eyes and go. He plays with the utmost conviction, and especially against the run. If he sniffs its run, he is gone. And he just plays so fast and so aggressive. He ran like low four threes to go along with. Wow, really? Yeah, he flew. He missed that. God. Yeah, he flew. It was reported like on social media that he ran in the four twos. That was not right. I'll give you the official time.

53:47He ran four three three. Five one one two one ninety three. And he ran four three three. He's a dynamic blitzer. Kind of like C.J. Allen, but obviously smaller. Like he destroys people considering his size. Yeah, he was a fun player to watch. He would have definitely been on my list as I saw the names you guys had on there. That one would have been mine just for the fun factor. Like when you're watching him just jump routes, you see like the A &M playoff game. He makes a ton of plays in that one where they're trying to spit the ball out and he just is all over it. So, again, I think that player has more value now than maybe it did, you know, 10 years ago.

54:27and I did see I haven't got great stuff with coaches at Miami yet on him. I'm trying to dig something up but I've seen interviews with him he's an impressive dude man when you see him talking ball like very very impressive.

54:42Gregg Rosenthal:If I was doing like an all honey badger team or draft team he would be I was just like we guys talk about the league I think about guys like in Upton Stout or in San Francisco I was trying to think of some of the like just nickels. Cater Cohu He's a little like, yeah, a little like, uh, we're running out of time. DJ's got TV. Let's just do a speed round. If there's anyone else you just want to get in for the record. I just think Max Clare is going to be a good tight end to the NFL. At minimum. Good. I took me a while to get to him as well. Cause the tight ends, I was like, I don't know. They were going first round.

55:15Gregg Rosenthal:Um, I just watch him and I see an NFL skill set very clearly. I love the way he moves. I love how good he is, uh, catching the football. I think he's very quarterback friendly. I think he is a sufficient blocker and can obviously build on that at the next level, but put that guy, that tight end from Stanford. Sorry, I should start by saying that in a play action, heavy offense and let him cook. Yeah. He's he, and I liked it better at Purdue, which by the way, this is the only draft I can remember where every player I've said that they were better at Purdue. I've said it. I've said it with Dion Burks.

55:44I've said with Dylan Thienemann and I've said it with Max clear Purdue almost had a great team. They were so close to this. This could have kept the gang together. They would have had quite a team last year. I'll do one more. Trayden Stooks. Trayden Stooks from Arizona, who can do a little bit of everything. He can cover in the slot. He can play in the post. He's rangy. He's fast. He's instinctive. He's a good player. I think he's got a chance to go in the second round when it's all set. Maybe filling a similar-ish spot, if he's not just a traditional safety as my guy, Keontae Scott. I just want to throw out for the record, Chris Ball, wide receiver from Louisville, and then Ted Hurst from Georgia State.

56:21This is such a weird class that these guys, man, And they look like NFL receivers. If you catch Chris Ball in the right rep where he's just catching a slant in full motion, I mean, he looks like A.J. Brown or something. He's coming off a torn ACL. But, man, these two guys look like NFL receivers. Hurst from Georgia State, they were 1-11. He compares himself to T. Higgins. I'm not sure I see that. I saw Sam Monson comp them to Roy Williams, and I thought, man, that is perfect. But these guys look like NFL players. I don't know if it's going to work out. But as in this class where I just don't know if it's that big of a drop between like wide receiver four and some of these guys.

56:57Do you remember? Obviously, hopefully you guys do. You remember the Alanis Morissette song? Isn't it ironic? The extra verse you could add on that was like would be about how Chris Bell goes on to be the rookie of the year and Greg's beating his chest. But isn't it ironic because he called him Chris Ball, you know? So it's like you can't really take all the credit for it. you know you didn't even know why did i write down ball this there's like there's multiple bells

57:24Gregg Rosenthal:so it's a little confusing i'll defend you greg there's skylar bell yeah um it's easy to get those they're very different sizes but um there's yeah there's but you're right the receiver there's like five or six like just big fasties dribbling someone one of them is probably going to be awesome uh i don't know which one that's the problem no it's tough her first is a lot of fun All right. We did it. I do love her to the end of draft season. Thanks for not calling her Patty, by the way. I thought you might, you know, with the name situation, you got Ted, right? So that's good. You're making Patty Hearst references.

58:00Gregg Rosenthal:A lot of names to remember. I'm catering to the 60 to 75 audience that I know is the core of your group here. You're calling mid-20s guy kids. That's it for 40s and free agents. Thank you, Mina. Everyone watch Mina on NFL Live. Of course, check out her podcast. the Mina Keim show featuring Lenny. And I'm looking forward to the two of you ESPNers, you know, doing some collaborations in the future. I'll be watching it on my television. I'm just trying to get some of that sweet hot wheels money that Mina got coming. I'm just glad we revisited our records from last year. There we go. Mina gets it.

58:36You guys got to go first. I had to clean up whatever names were left. That's not fair. Come on. We'll see you next week. We got one more before the draft. See you then.

59:14Gregg Rosenthal:We'll be right back.

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