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21:02Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, you sprinkled in Taysom Hill there at the end. I was watching the Google Doc. I was like, oh yeah, Taysom Hill. So yeah, the Darren Waller thing, he told local reporters over there in Miami that they just were going to onboard him gradually at his age and also having spent some time out of football making music videos. That's obviously important to onboard slowly. You know, yeah, he was very reflective and was talking about sometimes he was not being the man that he was saying that he was and not really walking the walk when he was talking the talk. And he was talking very specifically about his recovery from addiction.

21:38So we really wish Darren Waller the best.

21:41Jourdan Rodrigue:With Frank Smith, by the way, as somebody who is a really strong figure for him during that time. I know we talked about it on a previous show, but those two back together, hoping for the best for him in that in that journey and sort of self-discovery. And might have a really big role for that Dolphins team who is looking for some more offensive weapons outside their top two receivers. So I had to get this into the show. We didn't have time for it with Colleen and we'll be quick on it. But Philip Rivers suddenly retired again on Monday. Gosh, golly. Officially as a member of the Chargers. Now, officially, he actually had retired a couple of years.

22:16He hasn't played in the NFL since 2020. But every year you saw those stories where Philip Rivers is coaching a high school team. And he's like, hey, if anyone wants to call, I want to play. So it actually took him a little while to officially retire. But the Chargers are actually practicing fully in pads. They're the first team to do that in San Diego this week. They had one on Tuesday. They're going to have another on Wednesday. So I think that all matched up. And man, I love me some Philip Rivers. And they did such a good job with this video of Rivers announcing how he wanted to retire. as a member of the Chargers.

22:47Thankful for those 16 years and for entrusting me to be the quarterback and certainly never took it for granted. Come on, keep fighting. Just keep fighting. Never took it for granted. Getting sued up and lead the Chargers for a few 240-something games in a row.

23:10All right, let's take a break on that. Golly. I'm not ashamed to say that when Rivers was saying golly and he cries earlier in that video too, it was getting a little misty up in Santa Monica, me watching that. One of my favorite players and I think one of the most underrated players of his generation.

23:31Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, it's interesting. I have some longtime friends who are San Diego Chargers fans who were San Diego Chargers fans who have been disappointed for a couple of years, just about everything, the move and all of that. but one thing everyone can agree on is Philip Rivers and the fact that the team and himself collaborated on this the fact that they're practicing in San Diego in the Harbaugh regime you know it speaks quietly and also loudly of the efforts that are trying they're trying to do as an organization and as a team and Philip Rivers is like this universal I mean I could listen to every single mic'd up of him that's ever existed I could listen to him read the dictionary as long as he sprinkled in his version of expletives.

24:16Jourdan Rodrigue:Gosh, golly, gall darn. And one of the... And I love all that about him too. And we're going to go to break with him actually kind of talking about some of that trash talk. I love that. But also just the way he played football, I think brought people in. I mean, I don't think he was a gunslinger because I don't think he made... He wasn't reckless. But with that throwing motion, to be as vertical a quarterback as he was, he is still one of the all-time leaders in NFL history in yards per attempt. And he's going to be up for the Hall of Fame soon. And like if Eli Manning makes it ahead of Philip Rivers, I'll go insane because at every single point in every single year of their career, the entire NFL would have taken Philip Rivers over Eli Manning.

24:59And Philip Rivers got MVP votes a couple of times. He was top five quarterback, I would say. Never missed a start. Right. 252 games. I did the QB index and stuff. And he was very often a top five quarterback throughout his career, probably six, seven, eight years of his career, which to me is not, you know, stamp him into the Hall of Fame right away, but it means it's a guy that will probably get there and should get there eventually and was certainly a better player than Eli Manning. I'm just saying. And when he pointed out, and it is one of the things they lost moving from San Diego, the atmosphere and what he remembers is riding down that hill into Qualcomm and the parking lot.

25:36San Diego Chargers fans used to get grief. It was one of the best atmospheres in the entire... You would smell... They would be tailgating the entire day. You would smell that food. You would smell that weed. And it was just thousands and thousands of people. And it was an incredible atmosphere. And they're essentially renting this SoFi Stadium. And that's one thing they've really lost and I think was really unfortunate. I don't think that should be lost either. So when Rivers said that, that really stuck with me because I was at one of the last games, last couple games at Qualcomm. And it was just awesome.

26:09Jourdan Rodrigue:And let's be clear. He is a San Diego charger until the end. Yes. Because this, I know I'm not the only one that cares about this, but sometimes it feels like these little gestures just get so lost in our just collective zeitgeist and all the things that happen all the time. But the class with which he showed the local newspaper people that covered him for so many years for the San Diego union tribune, he announced his first retirement to the local columnist who had covered him for so long, been in the trenches, watched him grow up, essentially, Kevin Acey. And I will never forget that. That was a big moment for somebody of that platform to go to the local people versus the national platforms to announce something that significant.

26:53Jourdan Rodrigue:It just that homey vibe that Philip Rivers always had, that locality, I feel like was just a big part of who he was. Great dude. I almost kind of forget he was an L.A. Charger taking the trip up to up to 405 and threw some big time touchdowns to Mike Williams, who just retired this week. I remember in that game against Kansas City in Arrowhead. We will be back on the other side of the break with Luke Keekly. But yeah, let's first listen on the way out to Rivers talking a little trash. Good night. Good night. There are some clips that I look at and just shake my head. 90-yard touchdown! And some of them, I go, dang, that was a lot of fun.

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31:41Goes onto the field. flips the switch, won't it then? Hey, I'm all over him. Hey, we gotta go now, Chuck. Left!

31:51Ain't nobody know you. Third and three, and here they come. It's Keekly who gets to Manning back at the nine. Favorite blitz, sending these linebackers up inside, and Luke Keekly just so fast. Luke Keekly, he reminds me of Peyton Manning, a guy that is totally prepared, that is going to know what's going to happen before it takes place because he has studied so much. On second down, Romo looking to throw, has time, zings it, and it's intercepted at the 38-yard line. Keekly has it. He's going to go into the house. It's the second pick six of the game for the Carolina Panthers. Yes, my choice as the number 14 player of the last 25 years, the great linebacker of the Carolina Panthers, Luke Keekly, is joining the show.

32:42And Luke, you've been out of the game now for five years. I'm sure you're not thinking at the time, you know, when you're winning defensive player of the year in your second year and you're making these big plays and leading a Super Bowl run. I like, I hope I get on a list in five years on some podcast that my beat writer, Jordan Rodriguez on, but you are on that list. And can you at least look back and maybe not about the list, but enjoy the body of work that you put out there as a player back then? yeah it makes me feel it makes me feel old you feel like you just got out of the nfl and it's it's been five full years i'm going into year six being out and it's uh you watch those videos you're like man i looked so young in those pictures but uh man it was it was so fun i had i had that's the thing that i tell everybody is i had so much fun playing the game of football i loved being in carolina i loved ron rivera all the guys on our team we were super close with and And it was a special time for me.

33:40It was a special time for my family. And I think I was just so fortunate to have the opportunity to play in Carolina for that team, for that organization, inside of that defense. I think it really helped me during my career.

33:51Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, you know, Luke, I remember my first day, you know, scared out of my mind, by the way. Young journalist, young beat writer going into this team of absolute superstars. And I was talking to your pal, J.J. Jansen, last week, who's still going somehow. I mean, long snapper and linebacker, a little bit different, but somehow he's the Iron Man still. And just to me, you seemed so veteran at that time. And yeah, you'd been in the league for a while. We were the same age, but you seemed beyond anything I could even comprehend because of the level that you were playing at and because of how everybody in that locker room respected you.

34:30Jourdan Rodrigue:But you were able to cut loose with them and vibe with them a little bit, too. I remember the first day I walked in, music was playing. Tolbert, I think, had brought the boombox in. Yeah, those days were so much fun. And it's cool that you remember them that way. Yeah, we had such a good group. And I think that's really what it came down to. When I got into the locker room as a 21-year-old player, our best players were our best guys. And you look at the older guys in the team that were just our dudes were Steve and Jordan Gross. and then that middle tier group of guys that I really grew up behind and learned from and modeled my game after you know you look at my room it was Thomas and then Charles Johnson and then you know on the offensive side of the ball was Greg and Khalil and Stu and we just always had really good veteran guys and Beast was in that room you know my first couple years in the linebacker room, you saw what it looked like.

35:29Not only did I have success on the field, but you saw what it looked like to handle yourself correctly off the field as well. And in meetings, in the locker room, with the media, in public. And so when I got into the NFL, I was like, Hey, look, I want to have success like John Beeson and Thomas Davis on the field. And, you know, I'm going to watch how they practice, how they prepare. And then, you know, you get in the locker room and you look around in the locker room and you know guys like thomas with his charity and you know greg olson is what he does with the heart with his with his foundation it's just unbelievable what they're able to do and you say hey i want to be a lot like those guys and what can i do to to emulate i kind of want to get into like what made you know you stand out as a player because i thought it was interesting that clip hearing tony dungy said you're like a peyton manning on the defensive side obviously like your speed and explosiveness, they pop, but it felt like watching you.

36:23Sometimes you were half a step ahead with what a broadcaster will call instincts. But I know a lot of preparation goes into that. So maybe like walk through for a listener what it took preparation wise to get to that point. A lot of it started when I was in high school. So when I was in high school, our head coach, Steve Specht, he's actually still coaching there now. won a bunch of state championships throughout his time at St. Xavier. He would bring guys in during lunch and we'd go bring our lunch in to the, to his office. And he'd put on an old VHS tape. Now I'm sounding old, but you put a VHS tape on or a DVD or whatever it was.

37:04And we'd watch the team that we're getting ready to play against. And when you're in high school, you don't really know what you're doing. You don't know what you're looking at, but every once in a while spec to be like, Hey, look, like this is one of their top concepts. This is what defense I anticipate us being in, which just talk through responsibilities, run fits, pass responsibilities, where we need to be. So then the game would roll around and, you know, you'd be like, wow, like here's that. Here's what Specht was talking about. And a lot of times for me early on, it would happen after the play was over.

37:38So the play would happen. I'd be like, oh, man, that was that play that he was talking about. But then what it did teach you was, hey, if I prepare during the week and I'm prepared pre-snap and I know what's going to happen, I can be one step ahead. So I wasn't very good at putting it all together as a young freshman or young high school kid. But then when we got to college, then it's all digital and I can sort everything. I can sort personnel groupings, down and distance, situations, who's in the game, all of that stuff. And I had an older guy that I learned from named Wes Davis that was a big tape guy.

38:11And he did the same thing that Speck did. Hey, here's a look, here's a play, here's a formation. This is how we're going to be lined up on the defensive side of the ball. This is what we need to do to have success. So then I really kind of learned it from a young age. And then going into college, I had access to way more information and data and resources. And I learned a lot from Wes. And then I took that as a freshman through my sophomore and my junior year. And then when I got to Carolina, it was just I was just continuing to try to refine my pre-game routine and my preparation. And I think we always talked about what how are you able to differentiate yourself before the ball gets snapped?

38:55And, you know, rest, recovery. Are you in good shape? Are you are you healthy? And then, you know, obviously this one, the preparation side of where do I need to be? where do I fit inside the defense? Then ultimately, what is the offense trying to do to us?

39:08Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, including, by the way, preparation to the point where I remember the story Ron Rivera likes to tell where he made you go home on Christmas because you are the only one with the light on in the tape room, by the way. Yeah, no one of my parents weren't in town yet, so I'm like, hey, I'm going to hang in for a little longer. As much time as you can get. Luke, as you're in the league, because in part of defenses like yours and like what you guys were able to do in Carolina, the league started changing faster than ever. And these coaches of these younger coaching trees started coming up and taking from, you know, the Shanahan's, the McVeigh's, from the older patrons of that offense and trying to like literally move you because, and other talented inside linebackers because of what you were so able to do and how you're able to affect the game.

39:56Jourdan Rodrigue:And all of these pre-snap motions and at snap motions and these shifts and these formations started really taking over and changing offense faster than ever. So how did you surf that wave? Because preparation was always such a gift of yours and understanding the cycles and the philosophical shifts of the league. When it starts moving faster than ever for somebody who is the quarterback of the defense, how did you try to keep defenses from being reactive and more so assertive? I think we always thought about was we need to have our feet set when the ball is snapped, right? So, you know, you look at you reference all these guys, the Shanahan's and McVeigh's, the Loeufloor's and McDaniel's, Ben Johnson in Chicago.

40:39Now the list goes on with, you know, there's a pre-snap shift and then there's a motion. And then when the ball is snapped, like you said, you nailed it. What they're trying to do is get guys moving sideways pre-snap. And when the ball gets snapped, they're not able to get downhill right away. so what we always talked about was you know what is the final formation off of this motion so once a guy goes in motion get to your new alignment immediately get your feet set put your eyes on your new key and go i think when when people get in trouble is they they're following this jet motion and they're moving sideways and they're high and their feet aren't set and they're looking at the wrong thing and then the ball gets snapped and their eyes are on the wrong key and they they They're slow to pick up what the play concept might be.

41:30So our thought process always was get aligned, get set, have our feet in the ground, and be able to put our foot in the ground and get vertical and get downhill. Right. Watching some of the tape that we're showing, if you're watching us on YouTube, is a lot of Luke Heakley in coverage. And I think that is what you symbolized for a lot of people watching the game was this new type of linebacker. It was almost a transition back when the other linebacker on this list, Ray Lewis, was playing from run stopping as your primary objective to you have to be able to read the keys in coverage. And that was obviously a strength of yours.

42:12Like when you look at the game today and even back when you were doing it, kind of what were the keys to being a complete linebacker that can survive? Because it's become one of the toughest positions, Luke. I'm sure you've seen in the NFL where now there's only one of you on the field a lot of the times because it's so hard for linebackers to survive in that part of the game in coverage. I think, you know, I think I'm going to go back to the scheme. You know, I've talked a lot about scheme in Carolina. And the one guy that allowed me to do what I did really well, which was I felt like I was better in pass coverage.

42:44We had a really good blitzing linebacker in Thomas Davis. And that was the big thing for me that was super helpful was I rather play in coverage and Thomas rather pressure. And our coaches understood that and knew that and weren't too proud to say, you know what? You like doing that. TD, you like doing this. Let's kind of make it work. So I think that helped me a lot. And then, you know, the one thing when you get when you play inside linebacker, especially early in my career, you get matched up on tight ends a lot. You know, you're on tight ends, you're on the number three receiver. A lot of stuff is going over the middle of the field.

43:19And, you know, we always had we always had Greg. And so you're in OTAs and training camp and always trained with Greg in the offseason. And to have somebody like Greg that you got to practice against who was the best tight end in the NFL, he could do everything. He was vertically fast. He had great feel in zone coverage. He knew how to get open in small places, but then he can also be in line and block and he wouldn't come out of the game. You got a really good feel, at least, you know, we did on the defense side of the ball for what a real tight end looks like, what it feels like, a guy that not only physically can do it, but mentally was way above everybody else.

43:56So I think that helped me a lot as well, was just having the opportunity to practice against a really good player in Greg. my whole career. And then, like I said, Thomas was the pressure guy. So I could sit back and coverage and let Thomas go do his thing. I'm a sucker for just hearing who were like the toughest guys to go against. So you had Greg Olson in practice, but you mentioned you're always lined up against tight ends. Who were some of the toughest that you had to face between a tight end and a quarterback while we're here? Yeah, I mean, you know, tight ends and quarterback, I think I'm going to kind of go to a different direction.

44:28I thought Marshawn Lynch at the running back position.

44:30Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was as big of a challenge I felt like that we had on a consistent basis. Obviously, they were not a division opponent of us. Obviously, they're an NFC team, but we played them pretty much every year and sometimes twice a year in the playoffs when I was playing in Carolina. And he was so, he had so many natural physical abilities from, I felt how he was built to his power and his speed and how he ran the ball. He was kind of wide. He had a very wide base and it allowed him to get very lateral very quickly. He could sink down in his hips so he could change direction really well. He had great bursts, but he could also put his shoulder down and run right through you.

45:14So it was one of those guys where you had to really be smart with how you attacked him and what angle you attacked him. Because if he got you head up, he had so many tools in his pocket that he could do. He could put his head down and run through you. He could slow, speed you down, slow, you know, He could slow you down, speed you up. He could put a stiff arm in your chest and push you away or just run away from you. And he was built so physically strong and thick and dense, and he ran with an edge. And he was a fun guy to play against. But when you played against Marshawn Lynch, you're like, man, I better buckle it up because this is a real running back.

45:50Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I think those were some of the most underrated, like became a rivalry, really. Not a lot of people talk about that. Everyone talks about divisions and conferences and all of that. But you guys in the Carolina and the Seahawks, I mean, the trash talk was unreal leading up to those games and in those games. And the energy was insane. Luke, I know we're running on time here, but when I covered you, I did a story about you and fly fishing and your hobby and one of your passions. And you said something that I have never forgotten, and it broke my heart at the time listening to it because it was so real about what your life was like at that time.

46:27Jourdan Rodrigue:and for those listeners who don't know, fly fishing is such a meticulous craft and you are natural for Luke because you study so much about the movement of the river and the movement of the patterns of the ecosystem around you and you have to tie your own flies and the real fly fishermen tie their own flies but you told me and this crushed me that you couldn't tie your own flies during football season because your hands were so messed up. It killed me. I've never forgotten it about the physicality and the sheer dedication to your craft. I have to ask, can you finally tie your own flies and do you still fly fish?

47:03You know what? It's whatever you said, five, six years out, I feel pretty daggone good right now. So there's not much that I can't do physically, which is hopefully stays that way for a long time. That's awesome. And yeah, as we mentioned, you're on the show in part, you know, because you and Jordan have a history together, but mostly because, yeah, you were on this list. So let's put up the list here for a second. You were number 14 on our list. I mentioned like the other linebacker on the list was Ray Lewis up there at eight. I got a lot. I got heat from Panthers fans. He's not high enough. Kinkley's got to be higher.

47:38And then some people are like...

47:39Jourdan Rodrigue:He got heat from me, Luke. He's not high enough. I have to admit Jordan had nothing to do with the making of this list. Don't falter. But that's pretty great. I mean, it's tough. You have all time legends. You have Hall of Famers ahead of you and behind you. I know you will be a finalist for the Hall of Fame this year. The way it works now, they revealed you were in the top seven last year. So you're automatically a finalist this year. So we wish you luck. And to me, this is an even greater honor than the Hall of Fame there, Luke. So congratulations. Oh my God. This is what I deal with, Luke. Come on now.

48:14Jourdan Rodrigue:This is, come on. Appreciate you coming on the show. Thanks, Luke. Yeah, thanks guys. Thanks again to the great Luke Keekly And before we say goodbye to this show, I want to announce something I'm very excited about, that Jordan Roderig is not only going to be back with NFL Daily for another season, but is going to be with us more often in an expanded role. Like, you wanted more Jordan Roderig? You got her. She will be part of the show, we're hoping, three times a week, all season long. And if you didn't, please don't tell me. Yes. So congrats. I'm really excited. It's one of the things, obviously, we've been talking about this a long time, our vision for the show.

49:00And I look at it as our vision, you having a big voice in that.

49:05Jourdan Rodrigue:I just, I'm grateful. I mean, I feel like, I mean, the first day on the show, kind of out of nowhere, being, you know, you calling me asking if I could help out. and me thinking it was just going to be a short-term thing and crying and, of course, becoming the person that feels all the things all the time on this show. I've learned so much and I like working with you because, first of all, you're so supportive and you're such an advocate. Please no more compliments. Colleen did too many. You said recently on this show, you're trying to get better at taking compliments. So this is a test for you here.

49:41Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, you changed my life, honestly. And I've said that to you before. And I never thought I could get an opportunity to do this in this studio. That means a great deal to me to sit in and to sit in more frequently than I was last season. And I just want to keep getting better. And I want to keep sharing with people how much love I have for football and how much joy I find in even the mundane, tiny details of football. and I want to thank you and the folks at iHeart and NFL Media and everybody's been so invested in helping me get better. And I just want to keep growing. And we're going to do that.

50:23It's going to be onwards and upwards. And kind of related to that, yeah, Jordan's on the show Thursday. So get used to...

50:30Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, I'm going to sit right between you and Bridget Condon. Oh, yeah, we're having Bridget too. And slowly wilt in my chair as they trade... No, it'll be fine. Northeast Bostonian insults. It'll be fine. And yes, we're going to talk a little bit on Thursday's show. Of course, update you with all the news. But we're also introducing you to the corridor of uncertainty. Look, when we're getting a big contract signed, not just the NFL teams to start training camp, man, you know football is back. Pumped. Jordan's got to be with us three times a week.

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