Awkward NFL Truths and Tyrann Mathieu Retires with Colleen Wolfe

20:34Colleen Wolfe:I mean, I don't know whose expectations are very high. That's fair. Maybe. Are yours? No, I'm just kind of a hater, and this is just a way to pour salt on the wound. No, I would love to see the Steelers be successful, especially on offense. They haven't in so long. Really? Yeah. I don't have an issue with the Steelers. That's giving, like, the Eagles have won two Super Bowls in the last seven years or whatever, and you're just more generous. Yeah. Because, like, no, I don't... Not really worried about them. I don't necessarily want them to do well, but there's also just no, to me, there's not a lot of reason.

21:12And I guess it's probably for Steelers fans that it's an awkward truth. I do feel like Steelers fans are buying into the idea. And even the national media, I would say consensus is like, well, worst case, they upgraded at quarterback. And I would argue like, I don't know about that. Yeah.

21:26Colleen Wolfe:It's, it sort of feels like how it felt when Rogers went to the jets, like that before that first season, the year that they were doing hard knocks and the, the buzz around the team and the excitement because it was new and it was Aaron Rogers, but it's been so long since he's been really, really productive on the field. It's a tough one. It is a tough one. I'm going to throw out another like very quick one. Okay. And this, this I admittedly was going to be part of our news segment and we realized that there's just like not enough news out there. So I came up with an awkward truth, but I believe in it.

22:00Zach Tom. Okay. Yep. is the best player on the Packers. The best player? And the fact that Zach Tom's contract, he's a tackle who just got an$88 million four-year extension,$30 million sign bonus. The fact that his extension caused a large swath of football Twitter and Blue Sky to be like, what are the Packers doing? Like, who is Zach Tom? Are you kidding me?

22:29Colleen Wolfe:Oh, no, they told on themselves? Is a sign that you don't know ball. and they're getting ahead of things. I went through the list of players on the Packers. And first of all, he's one of the best young tackles in the league and they're getting him at a reduced rate. 22 a year on the extension, plus the years that were already there, is actually extremely low for like a top 10 tackle, which at this point I would say he is and he's only getting better, maybe top five eventually. So they're doing good business. but then I looked at the entire Packers roster and I don't know if you want to do it with me oh my god yeah I have our lads up right now name the player on the Packers roster and this is maybe a concern this is maybe an awkward truth for the Packers and their Super Bowl hopes like who is a better player at their position than Zach Tom a young improving tackle who's shown versatility on the right side is you could throw in Jordan Love but I don't know I mean, compared to other quarterbacks, I would say he's not at that level.

23:33Colleen Wolfe:You know, I have a Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs is a solid pick. Yeah. Okay. But look at the contract. I'm always defending him. Who is paid quite a bit more? I mean, I know you could make that argument for Jordan Love. Xavier McKinney maybe is the best player on the Packers. Wow. There's a case. There's a solid case for Zach Tom. Not like a super top heavy team. Well, Zach Tom, first of all, is not going to get the love that he deserves because he's an offensive lineman. We're giving it to him. But yeah, exactly. That's what this show gives you. Something that no one else will. Zach Tom, this one's for you.

24:06Also the name.

24:07Colleen Wolfe:Zach Tom? It's just sort of... Two first names? It's just so... It's like seven letters. Let's try a little harder. Like the whole thing. I would think, you know what? Let's simplify things. It's just sort of... Maybe it's not forgettable. It's just Zach Tom. It's just... It hasn't really caught fire. Remember David Bakhtiari? Like that's a, that's an all pro left tackle type of name. Zach Tom plays on the right side, but Zach Tom, I think that's part of the reason he hasn't caught. That's the national. He's been good for like three straight years. He's been good. He's been getting better and better.

24:38A young player, by the way,

24:39Colleen Wolfe:rather his name be Tom Zach than Zach Tom. No, Zach Tom's better. Okay. Let's take a quick break. And we have been flirting with talking about the Cowboys. We are going to dive into the Cowboys.

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28:39Back on NFL Daily. Just a couple little items as the players are showing up for training camp. Juwan Jennings is in camp, even though he asked for a trade. Kyron Williams wants a contract, but he is at camp. James Cook of the Bills is at camp. And part of it is the new CBA. You kind of have to show up or you risk not getting a year accrued. The old Holden. Right. And we'll see if they practice. Michael Parsons, who we're about to talk about, is expected to practice. And he did show up to Cowboys training camp. And just as we're coming back to break, we heard the news that Ozzy Osbourne passed away at the age of 76.

29:18So rest in peace to one of the reality show OGs. I mean, when that show came out, like MTV Early Aughts, that was one of my favorite. Not that he is an incredible musician, but one of my favorite reality shows ever.

29:32Colleen Wolfe:Yeah, I watched it too. I feel like it was a big part of MTV's lineup. It was on MTV. It was like a formative reality show. There hadn't been quite the same sort of family-like reality show. Kelly had the pink hair. And yes, he was the lead of Black Sabbath. My buddy Chris Babona reminds me. That is what he's known for. Well, yeah. It's his music. He lived life to the fullest. And that reminds me, they had a farewell show for him just a couple weeks ago. and no no that's great i think the fact that he got to experience that obviously it's tragic it's unfortunate that he died it's it's coming for all of us at some point um but the fact that that's an awkward truth to celebrate him hold that thought um the fact that they celebrate it always makes me think like all the great things that people say and do about someone when they die we should you need to do that while the people are alive i even had an idea for like a podcast like that we should just like celebrate someone that's actually still alive i love this idea while they're still alive and call it like no we should have funerals for people that are still that's what i was gonna say it was called like i brought this up this segment idea up to emica actually my wife it was gonna be like premature funeral and we just like talk about how much we love someone you maybe even have them on the show and she's like you can't do that she was she said no she shut it down i'll throw it to the listeners i'm well that's sort of what they did for ozzy obviously they knew he was not in in great health and he got to go up on the stage and like sit on a throne and like he got to have that experience which is which is great a celebration of life while you're still living yes i don't think you need to wait until that late or someone's sick or something let's do it look at you being all sentimental today we're talking about living in the moment telling people how great they are before they die i i think premature funerals we got to bring bring those around we need a better branding that's what we need okay um all right let's let's talk about the the jerry jones comments so there were a lot of them they started cowboys training camp as they always do with a big podium and it's jerry jones the owner Stephen Jones, who's more or less running the team as a GM, even though Jerry has the title.

31:58That's his son. And then coach Brian Schottenheimer. And it's just hilarious. I've been at this press conference up in Oxnard before. It was like Mike McCarthy's first year, and this is Brian McCarthy's first year. And he's just on the side, and he gets almost no questions. It's such a funny spot to be, but you know that.

32:14Colleen Wolfe:You just called him Brian McCarthy, by the way. Did I? There is something to that. But Brian Schottenheimer. let's listen to part of the press conference and this press conference went all over the place where Jerry Jones talks about Micah Parsons potential contract and brings it up in the light of Dak Prescott's contract just because we sign him doesn't mean we're going to have him he was hurt six games last year seriously we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest paid at the position in the league and he got knocked out two-thirds of the year, Dak Prescott. Oh, no. So there's a lot of things you can think about when you, just as the player does, when you're thinking about committing and guaranteeing money.

33:03First of all, it's factually incorrect. Michael Parsons only missed four games. Dak Prescott only missed like a little over half the year. It was not two-thirds.

33:11Colleen Wolfe:Jerry Jones embellishing something? So just embellishing. second it's it's so confusing because if you actually watch the whole press conference he is very positive and complimentary about Michael Parsons for the most part so I do think these quotes which are being passed around we'll talk about that a little bit like are only part of the press conference and he calls Michael Parsons like one of the smartest business people as a player that he's ever met and all these stuff Brian Schottenheimer like started that clip that we went to Jones, like by saying what an amazing player Michael Parsons is and all this positive stuff.

33:52And then Jerry comes in with that. But you just get the feeling that like at some point of all the talking, he's going to step into saying something and that's what's going to get put off.

34:05Colleen Wolfe:Well, and that's exactly what we're talking about here. He said he rambled for a while. I texted Jane Slater and I'm like, why is he talking about dangling participles so much? Like I, and then I'm like over here looking up dangling participles. I'm like, do I understand the meaning of it? No, this is, it's more of a grammar term, but he was using it in a way to just say it doesn't bother him that certain things. I actually got what he was talking about. We're not going to have any dangling participles. No, I mean, that's like a grammar term, but he's saying he doesn't mind going into training camp.

34:40I think if I'm trying to interpret Jerry, that there's still situations ongoing. Not everything is settled. The Micah Parson contract is to him a dangling participle going into camp, I think. It's just a dangling issue. It doesn't really make sense.

34:57Colleen Wolfe:Not really a participle. No, no. But it does remind me of exactly what happened with C.D. Lamb and how Jerry was pretty dismissive over that contract situation and CeeDee Lamb is like retweeting clips of Jerry Jones saying LOL. Like that's, it's the same exact thing. Right. And that brings us to some social media. So Jerry Jones knows this better than anyone. Like perception is everything. And the perception of the Cowboys has grown so much over the years as First America's team. And then just this behemoth that it's become reality. They really are the most valuable and the most watched, talked about team in the league.

35:45And my awkward truth is that I hate to bring it to you. I mean, bring it up. But like the Cowboys are actually fascinating this year outside of this whole conversation, outside of the normal drama. Like the actual football team is fascinating. I think that's actually awkward for all the people that just complain about the Cowboys getting too much attention. Because to me, they are one of the most fascinating football teams. I'll put a pin in that for a second, but let's actually bring up what I was getting at in terms of perception. Here is a J.J. Watt tweet from Monday that Micah Parsons himself retweeted.

36:23And J.J. Watt writes, anytime you can publicly take a dig at your star quarterback and your star pass rusher simultaneously, right before the season begins, you just got to take it. nothing makes guys want to fight for you more than hearing how upset you are that they got hurt while fighting for you which is just a great tweet by J.J. Watt J.J., I would love it if you brought that energy to the CBS desk, I think I mean it

36:51Colleen Wolfe:isn't he going to be on the oh yeah, he starts this year, right? he was on the desk before and maybe now he's doing more of the games now he's doing the games okay, I feel like sometimes you get in those pregame shows and you have the pre-show meetings And I want to see that J.J. Watt fire on the mic because then he'll be one of the greats. He did do Christmas last year and I thought he did a really good job. He's going to be with Ian Eagle. So J.J. is saying all that and Micah Parsons is retweeting it. And now, no matter what else you said in that press conference, J.J., that perception of that being really the main thing that you said is now reality, especially to the guy you're negotiating with.

37:29Colleen Wolfe:I don't know why they do this. It's like Jerry can't get out of his own way. He loves to talk and then he ends up like slipping up and telling the truth a little bit. And then that's what ends up getting him in trouble. And that's not a way to start things out camp. Yeah. I mean, I've had times I should shut up and I keep talking. He literally said that. I'm quoting Jerry Jones. He said in the press conference, I've had times that I should shut up. And, you know, he's very self-aware. Greg, how much do you relate to Jerry Jones? Not at all. I mean, not at all. This is a man who's like running a billion dollar business.

38:10But I guess one way is he said in that press conference about like, do you know much how I've given up in my life to do this? I'm not going to give up doing it. Essentially, this is the thing that he loves. I try to have a much better work-life balance. My family is the most important thing by far in my life. But I think that's true for Jerry, too, because he just brought them all along with the business. So he's saying he's not going to give up doing what's fun. I don't want to stop doing this. This is this is fun. I do. I do relate to that.

38:39Colleen Wolfe:Honestly, I was thinking yesterday after I listened to the press conference, I'm going to I'm going to miss these press conferences from him because they are wildly entertaining for all the wrong reasons. The most interesting part of the press conference was me. For me, it was something that wasn't picked up by just about anyone. He made a little joke at once when talking about like, well, because I think they asked him about why you why do you wait so long? Then the price only goes up and up. And he made a comment about, well, like sometimes you sign guys too early, like Trevon Diggs and Terrence Steele, who are on the 2025 Dallas Cowboys.

39:15That's great. That's gold.

39:17Colleen Wolfe:What was he talking about? Those guys haven't performed well since he signed them to those contracts. To be clear, he is saying, whoops. Yeah. I made a mistake there. Calling them out. Like just putting them on notice. And they've just been hurt, really. It's just like... That's rough for them. He also was talking about getting in like car accidents too. And he was like, you can get in a car accident. Like talking about long-term deals. Yeah, I think he was just saying like, look, you give these deals, life is unpredictable. Anything can happen. That is true. Speaking to what I was talking about in terms of loving what you do, because I do think Jerry Jones loves what he does.

39:51He was asked about possibly giving up the GM title in Dallas.

39:57Colleen Wolfe:Has stepping away as general manager ever been even a momentary consideration for you through the years? Yes. Momentary. How long a moment? Now, we're getting down to it. Small fractions of seconds. The way that he says it, too. Small fractions of seconds. I'm looking forward. He mentioned the Netflix documentary about him, about Cowboys that are coming out. I'm looking forward to it. If they do as good a job on that as they did on the Cowboys Cheerleaders show, which I just watched over the last week after the strong recommendation. I'm actually going to save that conversation for another day.

40:41I think it's fascinating, but that show is awesome in the way that like quarterback is a total boring snooze fest. Like there's stakes and there's characters and everything's good about that show. And quarterback is like completely boring. They're just counting on the fact that it's Joe Burrow to carry you through. So I'm looking forward to that.

40:59Colleen Wolfe:A 400 % raise they got. So he's not technically the GM, although he did clarify from a question from our colleague and your friend, our friend, Jane Slater, that Stephen Jones is the one talking to the agent and doing the real negotiating. It's Jerry kind of at the end just talking to Micah Parsons and the principal. So I don't think he's doing the day-to-day stuff necessarily on contracts. Jerry made clear that he doesn't talk to lawyers. I love that. He doesn't talk to agents. He doesn't talk to lawyers. He talks to the primary person. So it's a long way of getting to my larger point, which is, yes, the circus is there.

41:37Yes, this is all happening. But actually, this team is really interesting. It's fascinating. And I think it has a way higher ceiling than people realize. Like for some reason, I think people are losing the idea that I think they have a very hard schedule. So that's a problem for the entire division. But I think like there is absolutely a world where they are one of the two or three best teams in the NFC.

42:04Colleen Wolfe:Really? I think so. Like, why not? First of all, they won 12 games three straight years, like before last. I like this as an early season prediction for you. It's not even a prediction because I do think they have about as big a variance almost as any team. It could go bad. It's the Cowboys. The things that make them go bad could go bad. Okay, they have Dak Prescott, right? When he's healthy, one of the best quarterbacks in the league. They have a young offensive line, which that's part of this whole variance thing. But they have four high draft picks, some of who are really talented, all playing.

42:39They actually have a high ceiling for that offensive line. They have CeeDee Lamb. They have George Pickens. That is an... That's wild. That's like an awesome tandem. And I like Ferguson as their tight end. So right there, you're starting on offense. Don't like running back at all, but if you're going to be short at one position. Yeah. And then I went through it on the position battles. I think if you go through their edge group and the defensive line, and you can make an argument, their edge group, if it all goes right, and it's a lot of guys coming back from injury, young guys, it might be as good a pass rush as like any team in the NFL.

43:09Wow. Now, there's a lot of ifs. Like the backs, You notice I didn't mention the secondary and linebackers. That doesn't look great. And the coaches are new.

43:18Colleen Wolfe:The back end is tough on that defense. But that's a lot of positives to me. And guys I want to watch play football is kind of the other part of it. I love watching Micah Parsons play football. I love watching Dak Prescott play football. I love watching CeeDee Lamb and George. To me, they are really interesting. And the fact that they're, to me, so unpredictable, They actually are... The football side of it, to me, is worth a lot of discussion this year. So you think that the Cowboys have a higher ceiling than, say, the Commanders? Yes. Way higher. I think they're a better team than the Commanders, yeah.

43:53Colleen Wolfe:Okay, so... And a higher ceiling. Are you putting Philly at the top still in that division? And then Cowboys? Yes, but I think if you look at the rest of the NFC, I don't see like a reason why the Cowboys couldn't think like if things go right we can be the second or third best team in the NFC obviously you're hoping for just things to go wrong with Philadelphia but on paper they're obviously more talented if you're the Cowboys I'm not saying you well I think too it's the NFC so it's definitely nowhere near a stack so when you say top three top five whatever it sounds like that's way higher than it should be but actually you're right because depending on what happens with the Lions, you have them, you have the Eagles, and then where are you going from there?

44:40I think the obvious one-two going into the year is Eagles-Lions. We know that football historically hasn't been... Francisco is going to be back. Hasn't been as consistent, although actually lately the good teams have stayed great a little more consistently. And so, yeah, you got to put the Lions and the Eagles there. But to me, the Cowboys, in terms of what they have, if it wasn't for all this other stuff, mucking it up, like... Jerry Jones. I think there's a lot to believe in. All right. Give me your last awkward truth.

45:08Colleen Wolfe:Okay. Last awkward truth is I rescued myself as a dog. Wait, say that again, please. My dog, Kima, is actually me. I didn't realize it at the time, but I was rescuing a very similar being. Out of all of the dogs that were available at the pound, I got the one that had way too much going on way too many ailments was allergic to everything anxious but Kima I'm wondering if Kima is like me or am I actually like a border collie in Colleen's body because what a fascinating theory this is if I don't have a job to do I'll destroy everything around me I get bored very easily I need a ton of stimulation and if you don't pay attention to me I will make you pay attention to me.

45:58Colleen Wolfe:I know I don't deserve a treat, but I will still help myself to any and all treats that I find. I'm constantly shedding. There's hair and bobby pins all over the place. I have incredible FOMO and hate being left home alone when people are doing fun things. The only thing I want is my back scratched. I want to be showered in compliments, told how good I am and how smart I am and how beautiful my coat is. And I want to be praised for doing the most basic of things like sitting down, going to bed, walking away from shit I shouldn't be playing with. So I'm a working dog, Greg. Bravo. I was doubting at first because when I think of Kima, you know, she's young and...

46:41Colleen Wolfe:Wow. Okay. Thanks. That's not what I meant. I just meant... Kima's young. I just meant she's a puppy. You're not. And she's not behaved. to like she's had to be taught how to live in society and maybe this is what a like the the high school version of Colleen Wolfe was like but I don't think of rebellious I don't think of Colleen Wolfe as someone that's I'm gonna be tearing up the house like if the parents leave but maybe maybe they were yeah I did get in trouble quite a few times for that okay so maybe that like was her that's her in her teenage my my mom uh once found me in high in high school I was sleeping on the side of the house with a loaf of bread.

47:25Colleen Wolfe:So that's kind of what it was like for me in high school. My mom once woke me up like in late March. It was like the first warm day of the year and she's like, Greg, come with me. And I was like, what? It's like 6.15 in the morning. It was the first warm day of the year. All the snow had melted in the yard. What was under there? And she brings me outside and there's just tons of empty beer cans and cigarette butts on my lawn from like the huge party that I threw like a month and a half before while they were out of town. You thought that you got off scot-free. I did. Like they knew and I knew and they even made a joke of like the house is a little too clean when they got home.

48:10And I was just like, ha ha, yeah, yeah. But that was about it. And then a month and a half later.

48:15Colleen Wolfe:What was the punishment? Like nothing. What? Oh my god, Greg I got away with murder I love this And it makes me Love Kima even more But I gotta meet her I haven't even You haven't met her She's actually really good now I haven't even met her I'll bring her in I'm sure that won't be a problem at all here Okay, we're gonna have Some breaking news actually Right now Okay And then I will give my last awkward truth Because I think it's gonna be tough to pivot From that one Let's do it Some breaking news, Eric and I apologize Colleen you do not know this is coming but one of my favorite players in the NFL over the last decade Tyron Matthew is retiring from the league the honey badger member of the New Orleans Saints the last couple seasons and was expected to be this season has decided to retire So happy trails to one of my favorites.

49:11Colleen Wolfe:Wow. I feel like with him, he was one of the first players at his position. Maybe not one of the first, but we were talking about what a hybrid he was when he was in Arizona with Bruiserians and that whole situation there. But I just remember him being like such a different breed of player. and so smart and so impactful when he was great. I do have like a special affinity for players like this. Like he was a little up and down and he had the two knee surgeries that he had to recover from, you know, in college and then in the pros. And he overcame it to be one of the most impactful defensive players in the league in 2015.

49:57He was already in his third year at that point. he was like a just to kind of paint the picture like a defensive rookie of the year candidate as a rookie and then he's coming back again from the injury and that 2015 Cardinals team which was awesome and was one of our favorite teams on the Around the NFL podcast like he's a first team all pro gets this huge contract and then unfortunately has to like go through it all again but when he was great he was so great and was like a true leader I think among that team and among players and was one of Chris Wessling's all-time favorite players. And since he's retiring, it's probably one of the last times I can tell this story.

50:39But he reached out to Chris when Chris was going through his treatments because he remembered how big of a fan Chris was as a professional. And Chris wrote a really great piece on NFL.com about how great Tyron Matthew was and that he deserves defensive player of the year consideration and all this stuff. And Tyron Matthew had retweeted that and remembered it. And he reached out to Chris when he was going through everything, just on DMs, not trying to get attention or anything, and was just saying that he's pulling for him and everything. And he reached out to Keisha after Chris died.

51:18Colleen Wolfe:I remember that. And just one of them dudes. I got a chance to interview him last year at Saints training camp. I'm just one of them dudes that's just like a real one and an incredible, incredible player. Incredible player, incredible human. I remember when he reached out to Keisha and I just like, I mean, stalked through the roof for him. And I just feel like I can even still hear Wes talking about how great of a player he was because Wes loved him so much. And I just think about he kind of had like a huge impact on the show back then, too. He was a big part of it. Absolutely. Because, you know, he had three first team all pros, two in a row when he was with the Chiefs.

52:00So he goes to the Chiefs and he gets a Super Bowl title was kind of the missing piece to that defense for the Chiefs. If I'm doing the years right, but that was 2019. Yes, that was the Super Bowl victory over the 49ers. And he really helped complete and improve that defense. He was back the next year and was still great in the year that they ended up losing at the end. And so he had all these different parts of his career, rehabbed his value when he was with the Texans and made a really great impact there. And then, yeah, was able to return home to the Saints the last couple of years. So happy trails to one of our favorites, Tyron Matthew.

52:48So that's the end of his career. I've been thinking about careers and life.

52:57Colleen Wolfe:This is going to sound dark, but it's not dark. Oh, no. It's not dark. But the awkward truth, the awkward truth here is that statistically, I am likely more closer to the end of my life than the beginning of my life. God damn it, Greg. Okay. As long as you say it with a smile on your face. It's just true. Like, you know, the average age that people live to. And that's, you know, and I'm 45, I'm 46 years old now. That's just the truth. I can't believe you're 46. I was doing the math on my way here. And this is either my 22nd or 23rd season, depending on if you count. I did half a season when I first started.

53:38I started in November one year doing the NFL. And that is certainly more than half of the NFL seasons that I would imagine that I would be covering. I mean, I hope I'm still covering in my 60s or whatever, but that it's not...

53:52Colleen Wolfe:You're going to be like Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah, it's not a business that normally allows or encourages that or whatever. And so that's just the awkward truth that I'm living with. Is this what sparked the idea for the segment? No. Okay. It was actually the Cowboys for some reason. I just thought that the Cowboys being interesting was like, you know. It is. You're right. But I thought of this on the way into work. Yeah. Today, this Greg is very nostalgic. He's really like, I feel like your mindfulness is better than usual. I'm fine with it. I guess why I bring it up is dying is such an awkward topic for almost everyone.

54:36Right. I don't think it necessarily should be. It's like the one thing that literally everyone has in common.

54:44Colleen Wolfe:Yeah. You know, it is going to happen. And if you haven't had someone like close to you that died early or anything like that, then you are blessed. But you should be aware of that blessed because that is going to become, you know, a big part of your life. And like at some level, you have to be kind of OK with that because you, you know, don't have a choice. And I think like America and like, like we're much worse at this. I think than other societies have been like throughout history necessarily. I don't think you have to be as yes. Yes. I think like in other cultures, like it's more of a part of death as a part of life.

55:23Like what you talk about and you understand it's just like, yeah,

55:26Colleen Wolfe:it is a part of life and the death of your career too. I was, I was thinking about that a little bit. Are you saying that while looking straight into my eyes? I was actually thinking about that with watching that Cowboys reality show because they only get five years. And that to me was like an extreme version. And I think about it all the time with athletes. Like, I don't think for us, we can totally understand what they go through knowing like what a finite timeline they have in their career choice that, yes, you're rewarded for it in like football and stuff. Certainly not in every sport. But that like, you know, Joe Burrow was talking about it too in that show.

56:01Like, you know, like he's in year five. He's like, you know, he knows he's got a finite timeline.

56:06Colleen Wolfe:So the window, the window is small. I mean, but it's also the window. We have shelf life too. Yes. And I would say that, yeah, I mean, we are, we've been doing this for quite some time. So we are closer to the end than we are to the beginning. That's the awkward truth. And I guess not to have like a lesson about it at all, but like, I think you, I think it's then like knowing that I personally, that actually gives me comfort to think about it and talk about it in a way, because then you can like appreciate, like appreciate while you got it. You know what we're doing? We're having a premature funeral for ourselves right now.

56:43Colleen Wolfe:Greg, I love working with you so much. You've been one of my best friends over all of these years. You're so good at what you do. I'm so proud of you for launching the show and doing the full year of it. There was so much. You work so hard. You also have the life balance, work-life balance with your family, which I have no idea how to have any type of work-life balance. So I really, it's an inspiration. But I just think that you are an incredible human being. And I love you, Greg. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. That was the premature funeral for Greg. You don't have to do this for me. I'm not. Thank you.

57:22Colleen Wolfe:Anyway. no the awkward truth is like for a lot of people it's hard to like take uh compliments or take like a nice moment just accept it and i will that's like something i would like to to improve upon but it's true we we have we have had the chance to work together for so long like 10 plus years doing that at nfl now so knowing that it's not going to last forever i can actually appreciate this particular show on July 22nd. That's right. 2025. Because who knows? Who knows? Like Kyle Shanahan says, if we're going to get another one, we will have another NFL Daily. Oh my God, the show. I hope. On the 23rd.

58:01Colleen Wolfe:They're never going to let us do a show together alone again. Luke Keekly is joining the show. Thank God. Jordan Rodriguez of The Athletic. Yay! Also joining the show. So, and yeah, when we're thinking about mortality. Football's back? Yeah.

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