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Episode Title
Championship Weekend Recap: Super Bowl LX Is Set!
Hosts
- Gregg Rosenthal
- Patrick Claybon
- Nick Shook
Episode Summary
In this episode, the hosts recap the intense action from Championship Weekend, highlighting the NFC championship game between the Seattle Seahawks and the Los Angeles Rams, as well as the AFC championship matchup between the New England Patriots and the Denver Broncos. The hosts discuss key plays, performances, and implications leading into Super Bowl LX.
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Key Highlights
NFC Championship
Seattle Seahawks vs. Los Angeles Rams
- Final Score: Seahawks 31, Rams 27
- Significant Moments:
- Game-Winning Play: Sam Darnold's passing led the Seahawks to victory, highlighted by a last-minute completion to Puka Nakua.
- Darnold's Performance:
- 340+ passing yards, 3 touchdowns.
- Showed poise under pressure, especially in critical moments.
- Noted as one of his best games since college.
- Kenneth Walker's Contribution:
- 111 scrimmage yards, crucial in key plays and clock management.
- Demonstrated his ability to break tackles and extend plays.
- Defensive Standouts: Seattle’s defense managed to hold up during critical drives, making key stops against the Rams.
Key Discussion Points
- Game Dynamics: The Seahawks and Rams displayed contrasting styles; Seattle relied on aggressive passing, while the Rams struggled to convert on third downs and optimize their offensive drives.
- Coaching Decisions: Praise for Seattle's coaching staff for their aggressiveness in key moments, particularly on the final drives.
- Impact of the Game: Seattle’s victory sets up a rematch against the Patriots in Super Bowl LX, echoing their previous matchup in Super Bowl 49.
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AFC Championship
New England Patriots vs. Denver Broncos
- Final Score: Patriots 10, Broncos 7
- Significant Moments:
- Drake May's Dual Threat: May's mobility was pivotal, as he scored a crucial touchdown with a quarterback draw.
- Defensive Dominance: The Patriots' defense held the Broncos to a mere 56 yards in the second half.
- Missed Opportunities: The Broncos squandered several chances, including a crucial interception by Christian Gonzalez, sealing the game for New England.
Key Discussion Points
- Weather Impact: The harsh snowy conditions impacted both teams, leading to poor visibility and sloppy play, particularly affecting the Broncos' offense.
- Coaching Decisions: Sean Payton's decision-making was called into question, particularly during a key fourth down that could have shifted momentum.
- Patriots’ Consistency: Despite their low-scoring games, the Patriots showcased resilience and a disciplined approach throughout the playoffs.
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Themes and Insights
Super Bowl LX Preview
- Matchup Significance: The upcoming Super Bowl LX promises to be a rematch filled with tension and storylines, particularly for the Seahawks and Patriots, known for their past encounters.
- Player Performances: Key players to watch include Sam Darnold and Drake May, both of whom have showcased their capabilities leading to this point.
Coaching Analysis
- Decision-Making: A recurring theme in both games was the critical nature of coaching decisions, particularly in high-pressure situations.
- Team Identity: The Seahawks’ identity as a team willing to take risks contrasted sharply with the Broncos’ more conservative approach, ultimately impacting their success.
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Conclusion
This episode of NFL Daily offers a detailed analysis of the thrilling Championship Weekend, setting the stage for an anticipated Super Bowl LX. The hosts effectively capture the excitement, key moments, and player performances while providing insights into coaching strategies and the implications for both teams moving forward.
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Additional Notes
- Stay tuned for further discussions as the Super Bowl approaches.
- Links to related content and highlights available on the NFL Daily YouTube channel.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSuper Bowl 60 Recap Overview
2:41 to 3:47
Discussion of the Super Bowl 60 matchup between the Patriots and Seahawks.
“We knew it was going to be some sort of rematch unless it was Rams Broncos.”
Game Highlights and Key Moments
3:47 to 4:48
Breaking down the thrilling moments and performances in the NFC Championship.
“It was a classic, and let's not waste any more time.”
Sam Darnold's Performance Analysis
4:48 to 6:02
Analyzing Sam Darnold's crucial plays and his impact on the game.
“There are so many heroes to talk about in this game and clutch performances.”
Coaching Decisions and Game Strategy
6:02 to 8:02
Exploring the coaching strategies and key calls that influenced the game.
“You know, by the way, they needed Jackson Smith and Jigba, a collective team effort that never gets there.”
Kenneth Walker's Contribution
8:02 to 9:45
Highlighting Kenneth Walker's significant role in the game.
“But I think starting there at the end is key.”
Seahawks Defense and Critical Stops
9:45 to 11:48
Discussing the Seahawks' defensive performance and crucial stops.
“He has a feel for his team and Darnold proved him right again and again tonight.”
Postgame Thoughts and Insights
11:48 to 14:06
Reflecting on the game outcomes and what it means for both teams.
“A lot of time there was a four-man rush, but then they come back.”
Defensive Plays That Changed the Game
14:06 to 17:32
Analysis of key defensive plays and their impact on the game.
“which Witherspoon breaks up, but there's also, I'm missing a receiver coming open, going to the left side.”
Special Teams and Scoring Opportunities
17:33 to 22:20
Discussion on special teams' mistakes and their consequences for scoring.
“and we're going to have a couple two-play sequences to talk about in this game.”
Offensive Strategies and Key Matchups
22:21 to 26:16
Exploration of offensive strategies and standout performances in the game.
“He turns around cam curl with a corner post.”
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Critical Moments and Game Dynamics
26:17 to 28:00
Analysis of critical moments and dynamics that defined the game's outcome.
“at the front left pylon on one strike matthew to puka he puts it in the paint and the rams are back One of the great parts of this game was just the emotions.”
Rams' Performance Breakdown
28:00 to 30:39
Analysis of the Rams' offensive and defensive performance in the championship game.
“against really any coverage, as good as he's been, as good as Stafford has been in this game.”
Stafford's Impact and Future
30:40 to 32:30
Discussion on Matthew Stafford's performance and potential future with the Rams.
“So I don't have any qualms or regrets about the way this game played out.”
Celebrating the Seahawks' Victory
32:31 to 35:37
Recap of the Seahawks' victory and Mike McDonald's celebratory remarks.
“Look, Stafford being negotiated down to take less money from the Rams last offseason is kind of funny to think back on.”
Analyzing Drake May's Game-Winning Play
38:30 to 42:00
Detailed breakdown of the pivotal play by Drake May that secured the victory.
“Ellis and Drake May and the Patriots take the hand off to Stephens and the quarterback.”
Drake May's Play Making Ability
42:00 to 43:12
Discussing the athleticism and impact of quarterback Drake May.
“They're waiting for something to happen behind them.”
Broncos Offense and Jarrett Stidham
43:12 to 44:20
Analyzing the performance of Jarrett Stidham and the Broncos offense.
“For the Denver Broncos, it was the absolute opposite of that situation save the first drive where it's not the worst thing in the world of Drake.”
First Half Dynamics and Defensive Strategies
44:20 to 46:06
Examining the flow of the first half and the defensive strategies employed.
“That first drive, he hits Marvin Mims on third down with a beautiful throw for over 50 yards.”
Coaching Decisions and Missed Opportunities
46:06 to 48:21
Discussion on coaching decisions and missed opportunities during the game.
“And he doesn't understand that he's in the wet paper bag.”
Key Defensive Performances
48:21 to 50:04
Highlighting significant defensive plays and players during the game.
“We felt close enough that and it's also a call you make based on the team you're playing and what you're watching on the other side of the ball.”
Impact of Weather on Gameplay
50:04 to 52:09
Discussing how weather conditions affected the performance of both teams.
“It's so funny because it's a three-point game at that point, and that's an interception to basically seal it, and it felt so anticlimactic, like you just expected it to happen.”
Reflections on the Game's Quality
52:09 to 56:00
Reflecting on the overall quality of play and viewer experience during the game.
“No football's a game that should be played outdoors today.”
Impact of Weather on the Game
56:00 to 57:28
Learn how weather conditions affected player performance and game outcomes.
“The wind was blowing in this game really hurt.”
Quarterback Performance Analysis
57:28 to 1:00:04
Discussion on the performance of quarterbacks Stidham and Drake May during the game.
“Hell, let's actually listen to what the Patriots did on the other side, because it fits in with everything we're talking about.”
Patriots' Tactical Adjustments
1:00:04 to 1:02:28
Explore how the Patriots adjusted their strategies to secure their Super Bowl spot.
“they've been very good at adjusting and shape shifting within a game.”
Key Moments and Player Highlights
1:02:28 to 1:06:02
Highlighting crucial plays and standout performances in the playoff game.
“And the conditions weren't ideal in the previous rounds either.”
Punting Performance and Weather Insights
1:10:08 to 1:12:09
Discussion on punting performance in recent games and weather conditions for the Super Bowl.
“By the way, punting, like when, you know, when there's wins loss, that's not a punting stat.”
Coaching Changes and Player Updates
1:12:09 to 1:14:02
Analysis of coaching changes and player updates, including Nick Foles and Kirk Cousins.
“And I think he seemed fine for, he's pretty good at it, actually.”
NFL Team Dynamics and Future Predictions
1:14:02 to 1:14:28
Insights into team dynamics, especially surrounding the Jets and Steelers, and predictions for the future.
“Now it just does not feel like the show to do it.”
Transcript
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2:21Welcome to NFL Daily, where Super Bowl 60 is set. I'm Greg Rosenthal. For the last time on a recap show in the Chris Wesseling Podcast Studio this season with Patrick Claibon and our friend Nick Shook joining us from Cleveland. Super Bowl 60. We knew it was going to be some sort of rematch unless it was Rams Broncos. And it's very much not Rams Broncos. Patriots Seahawks Super Bowl 60, a rematch of Super Bowl 49. We watched these two games together, Patrick, next to each other all day. And they felt like very different football games. And we have a fun little Super Bowl to talk about for two weeks.
3:08Patrick Claybon:Yeah, a little predictable in terms of at least the way that the games. played out perhaps not necessarily the results, but what a performance by both teams in Seattle tonight. And, you know, just touches away from being like the movie style ending shook, but, but still, still a fun participation of them. Yeah.
3:30Nick Shook:We were kind of robbed of the 2013 NFC championship game results and a post game, Richard Sherman interview with Aaron Andrews, but you know what? This was pretty close and it was still for a good stretch of the second half. the exact example of why playoff football is among the most entertaining products in entertainment. It was a classic, and let's not waste any more time. Let's go out to Seattle.
3:52Patrick Claybon:Shotgun snap to Stafford. Nine seconds left. Stafford looks. Fires. Ball is caught. Puka Nakua slides out of bounds.
4:00Nick Shook:No! Clock keeps moving. Nakua on! We are going to the Super Bowl!
4:06Patrick Claybon:Take your helmets off! Players, they're breaking the glass! next door. A completion to Pukinatua. He can't get out of bounds. Confirming the runner was down in bounds. The game is now over. Seahawks win. Seahawks win and the Seahawks are going back to the Super Bowl. Can you believe it? I can believe it. The Seahawks, one of the two best teams in the NFL all season long, worked so hard in that fourth quarter in overtime against the Rams to get home field advantage. And that kind of felt like the difference in a 31 to 27 victory over the Rams in the NFC championship. There are so many heroes to talk about in this game and clutch performances.
4:53But I think we have to start with Steve Rabel on K-I-R-O, not hesitating. And with a little assist from the line judge there, rolling that clock and not messing up all the calls on the radio for the rest of time. They had to check it. But yes, Pukunakua was inbounds. And that means there was no Hail Mary attempt. And that means that Sam Darnold did it. I have to start here, Shook, because the Seattle Seahawks won a game in which their defense gave up 27 points, in which their running game had a 16.7 % success rate and a game where they needed all of Sam Darnold's 340 plus yards passing and three touchdowns to make the Super Bowl.
5:47And they needed him to not make any big mistakes in the big moment and deliver second down conversion after second down conversion to help kill that clock. And you know what? He did it all. And Sam Darnold is going to the Super Bowl.
6:01Nick Shook:and they needed Kenneth Walker and they needed Cooper cup. You know, by the way, they needed Jackson Smith and Jigba, a collective team effort that never gets there. If Sam Darnold doesn't do the job, I think it was some point in the fourth quarter where I just had a realization. He made a play. I think it was a third down conversion where I just thought in my head, Oh my God, this is the best game I've seen from Sam Darnold. Since that Rose bowl against Penn state way back. Like this is peak Sam Darnold. He's finally arrived to this point that so many people thought he would get to when he was coming out of USC into the draft.
6:30Nick Shook:And it's a beautiful sight to see that he did it on the second biggest stage possible outside of the Superbowl to get his team to the Superbowl, to answer all the doubters who thought maybe last year was an aberration. Maybe he can't deliver in the big moments he delivered and he delivered emphatically today. Yeah.
6:45Patrick Claybon:And do in doing so in so many key situations where the, the moment in the pressure, and I don't mean metaphorical pressure because all that I think is the actual impending pressure from football players, as well as playing through the oblique injury. We saw the warming pad over on the sideline. He says he's fine. Clearly, he's working through and playing through that. But the touchdown pass to JSN where Braden Fisk is rummaging around right at his feet, which could have easily impacted that throw. It didn't. It goes for the touchdown. And then third and seven from their own 28 with three minutes and 20 seconds to go, he's able to navigate the pocket, get that ball to Cooper Cup, a first down by about six inches.
7:26Patrick Claybon:There was not just that throw. there was another throw on that same drive. We're in a situation you could say, oh, you got to play it safe. No, Clint Kubiak with his prospective employer on the broadcast, calling every single play that he calls, was absolutely nails on Sunday night. Yeah, that Cooper Cup third down conversion was absolutely massive. I think it was the right call. There were a lot of close calls in this game. And for the most part, they were right. Even the taunting call on Rick Wolland by the letter of the law is the right call, even if we believe in ethical football and that there should be no taunting calls.
8:02I do get why they called that. But I think starting there at the end is key. And what I hate in these situations, Shook, is when a team doesn't read the situation of how that particular game is going. There's actually a lot of types of games where I don't think it would have been crazy for them to be more conservative on that final drive. But in this game, they had to do everything that they could to prevent the Rams from getting the ball back. They had to know that Sam Darnold was winning, that their pass protection was winning, that their wide receivers were winning, and they had to call it aggressively.
8:40And so, yeah, they called some first down runs for Walker to stop the clock, but they also called a second down on passes on two different plays on that drive. You're near your own end zone. They get the ball to Kenneth Walker. He picks up 15 yards. He breaks a tackle. I don't know how PFF charted it, but in the game, he broke five different tackles. Two of them could have been on that particular play. And a couple of them were receiving, a couple of them running. So his individual skillset gets it done. They run it on first down the next time. And they actually call a deep shot on second down to Rashid Shahid.
9:17And Darnold kind of has the first throw all game where you're like, I'm not going to say he was nervous, but it just comes out funny and it's not on time. And you're just like, Oh, and that's the play before the cup play. And then again, they don't wait until third down the next set of downs. They have them throw the ball on second down and they get a big penalty. And if any of those had gone wrong, everyone would be killing them for not killing the clock, but they read the game correctly. It's one of the reasons why I think Mike McDonald is such an excellent coach. He has a feel for his team and Darnold proved him right again and again tonight.
9:50Nick Shook:yeah why him and Clint Kuvia are such a good pairing as head coach and offensive coordinator because in order to really secure your trip to the Super Bowl in a game that has been this close in a game between two teams that are so close in quality and in talent and in familiarity you have to play a little bit aggressively you're gonna live by it you're gonna die by it you're gonna hope it's gonna work out and it did for them you have to keep them honest you talked about the success rate how low it was on the ground for the Seahawks well the Rams are gonna load the box and they're just gonna stuff that run and you're gonna be putting back to them with you know two minutes or so and give the Rams another chance after they just moved down within scoring range and turned it over on downs so how do you really lock down your trip to the Super Bowl you get a little aggressive you call a little play action you let Sam Darnold throw the ball you let Sam throw it toward a receiver he gets held and it draws a holding flag and that's a first down but most importantly I think in this game that will probably go overlooked maybe not is Kenneth Walker's 111 scrimmage yards because you talked about that where he broke a couple of tackles on that conversion he ran around like four guys I felt like Byron Young was just spending half of the evening chasing Kenneth Walker in the flats and repeatedly never catching up because Kenneth Walker has the ability to catch and run as a receiver.
10:55Nick Shook:And he played a huge part throughout this game. And especially in putting that game away, such a great blend of run and pass with the game and the trip to the super bowl on the line. And this is what makes the Seahawks, the Seahawks we've talked about their defense all season, but it's also about their willingness to get aggressive in key spots because of that guy wearing number nine right there, Kenneth Walker and of course, Sam Darnold. Yeah, you're watching if you're catching us on YouTube, one of the jukes that Walker had earlier in the game. And yes, his production was concentrating a few different drives that were scoring drives to start the game during the middle of the game, whenever they needed a big play.
11:28It was Kenneth Walker. I think backing it up, you know, it wasn't a great game for the Seahawks defense, Patrick, but I think when we think about how this game ended, how the Seahawks got out of here with a win, let's not get negative necessarily on the Rams yet because there are some things to talk about where they came up short certainly defensively but the Seahawks defense holding up at the very last second on that last red zone drive and stopping Stafford on the third and fourth down in the red zone feels like it was like if not the
12:00Patrick Claybon:key sequence of the game it's right there and it got a stab directly into my chest and the Nick Shook's chest in the anti-three-man rush in that situation where Sean McVay pointing out in the in the postgame, you know, Stafford has the ball to Mumfield on the sideline on third down. A lot of time there was a four-man rush, but then they come back. Sean McVay is calling this a accidental bust that was fortuitous for them because after Kyron Williams was all by himself early in the first half with, you know, the pick play from Pukenikua for the touchdown, they peel off two defenders, and this is a play where Devontae Adams and Pukenikua on the field two defenders have devoted solely to Kyron Williams in the flat but because they're over there it gums up the work for Devante and Nick Emanwari one of the two people that's actually close to Matthew Stafford is going up against Alaric Jackson and the defensive back gets the pressure that gets Stafford to get rid of the ball in the back of the end zone so he doesn't have time to see Puka may have had space to get to the sideline and that's the stop all because that you You know, if everybody's wrong, it's the old note about coverage.
13:08Patrick Claybon:You know, as long as everybody's wrong together, then it can work out. Right. And I love that point by you on the pass rush and even worry because it does force Stafford to throw a little early. Let's actually listen to McVay, who had a fascinating and brief postgame press conference. Talk about that play.
13:27Nick Shook:You know, that was a situation where we just kind of came up short. They kind of lucked into having two guys peel on Kyron right there. I know that that can't be part of their design. So it's a fortuitous bust by them. But it was, you know, they're an excellent team.
13:41Patrick Claybon:You don't take away anything. You know, they are in the wind. And, you know, they're NFC champs for a reason. It's like he caught himself right in the middle of that, not wanting to sound wrong. But he's right. He was right. He's right. I'm all about coaches being honest and teaching us a little bit about ball in the biggest of spots. And he did very quietly say that there were opportunities on that third down play too. Like if you watch that, not only going to Mumfield a little bit sooner, which Witherspoon breaks up, but there's also, I'm missing a receiver coming open, going to the left side.
14:16So he had time. It's a bang, bang play. And what stands out to me is that in two different two play sequences at the end of each half. and I think about how the end of half and end of game situations is sometimes the whole game. The first half, it's Nick Imanwari breaking up two straight passes and then telling Stafford about it on Stafford's way to the bench. That gets the ball back from the Rams and really the biggest offensive mistake I think they made the entire game was giving the ball back to the Seahawks at the end of the first half, giving them a chance to go get a touchdown and that's exactly what happened.
14:57So it's Eamon Worry, this young athletic defensive back, winning matchups he shouldn't against Devontae Adams on one of the plays, stepping up in the big spot. And then it's Devin Witherspoon. They're all pro. After the defensive rookie of the year, potentially, does it at the end of the first half. They're all pro does it back to back passes defense at the end of the second half. So yeah, it wasn't the best game for the Seattle defense, but those are the types of plays that badass players make that Seahawks fans, I think are going to be remembering along with those great Darnold touchdowns in Walker place.
15:31Nick Shook:Yeah, of course the touchdown passes and everything are going to be the ones that resonate the most with fans because they're prettier. They're easier to kind of digest, but yeah, the defense really adjusting. And it was really a great example. I think in that goal to go situation where the Rams are really threatening, they're riding this wave of momentum. They're on this methodical drive. We've seen them do this throughout the playoffs they did it against Chicago they did it earlier in this game that textbook engineer drive that's guaranteed to end in the end zone but the Seahawks stand tall because they know where the Rams like to look on one of those plays in that goal to go situation you got Adams isolated out left and you got Brady pointing out that Adams is isolated out left and you know that they want to go to him they'd already gotten burned him for a touchdown earlier in the half on a one-on-one ball to Adams who obviously wins with this excellent route running and I'm watching the safety just kind of drift over to the left before the play.
16:16Nick Shook:And I'm thinking they're bracketing him. That's going to get taken away. Stafford takes the snap, immediately looks to Adams. Adams is not there. He knows he's not there. Then he starts to look through the rest of his progression. Then he panics and tries to fire it over to Mumfield. That's an example of two teams who know each other really well and adjusting accordingly. And I love that fourth down call that you pointed out, Patrick, going to a three-man rush because I hate a three-man rush as much as you do and as much as a lot of us do. But what I appreciate is showing seven, dropping four and muddying up the picture and getting a little bit of like McVay at a fortuitous break when you peel off on Kyron Williams to where Stafford has nowhere to go.
16:47Nick Shook:Now, you can kind of break down that sequence of plays and say, well, maybe Stafford gets the ball to Mumfield earlier. He puts it on the outside shoulder instead of the inside where it's able to be broken up. Maybe you can win there. Maybe you can win if he makes a quicker decision on fourth down. But ultimately, this is what football is in the playoffs. And this is why this was such a great playoff game. It's the little things. It's the little margins. And it's how quick you can make a decision. The Seahawks prevailed in those scenarios. This game will break your heart because the Rams put up 26 first downs, 479 yards in a game where they really only had eight real drives.
17:18They had two two-play drives at the end of the game and at the end of the half where they basically had no chance to score. So only eight real drives, and you almost put up 500 yards on the best team in football, and yet you're thinking about the plays that didn't go your way. Speaking of which, let's go back actually to a two-play sequence, and we're going to have a couple two-play sequences to talk about in this game. But this is the one that favored the Seahawks. And yes, how do you lose a game where you don't turn the ball over on offense? You go for almost 500 yards. You do it by making a big special teams error like the Rams have done so many times this season.
17:58Patrick Claybon:Michael Dixon will punt. Xavier Smith, the deep man for the Rams. And this again, another rainmaker. High spiral. Smith falls down. Ball. Seahawks. Smith backing up trying to call fair catch Falls down and the ball hits him The Seahawks recover And they are inside the 20-yard line Here we go Sam Darnold now Goes under center with Walker behind him Wide outs to both sides Play fake
18:26Nick Shook:Darnold looks Now he's going to throw back to the end zone It's called touchdown Seahawks
18:32Patrick Claybon:Jake Bobo might have been the third guy in the progression but he lines up left side gets under the goal post and Sam just throws a rope uh you know at the time I was like oh man this Rams secondary can't cover and then I re-watched that play it's like yeah Kobe Durant had no chance on that play they they hung him out to dry he had he had the whole field to cover to cover one guy and that's where I'm giving a little credit to the aggressiveness, the play call, and maybe the lack of a pass rush there by the Rams where they blitz and aren't anywhere close to Sam Darnold. Yeah, you want to find the bad spot from the Rams secondary from that play.
19:12Patrick Claybon:It's Emmanuel Forbes coming on the corner blitz. He sees Kenneth Walker step up and granted there is a size mismatch between Emmanuel Forbes and a lot of people, but he stops and chops his feet and just kind of hand fights. It's a corner blitz, man. Like we got to get a little more involved in this because like you said your teammates over there trying to cover jake bobo um you know on a double move in the end zone runs a you know a corner post and he gets beat where it's over and over again like rams defense whether it's the omar spates on skates highlight uh multiple times where he's trying to get track of guys and i know cooper cup had this revenge game but it had to be sweet for ernest jones to look over and see a rams defense that needs somebody that's going to be able to make tackles and get pressure in certain situations.
19:57Patrick Claybon:And it was over and over again. The Rams secondary kind of coming up short. You know, the numbers say, you know, the Rams got a 35 % pressure rate, which is not great. It's not disastrous, but it's not great, especially when you blitz 35 % of the time. I don't think it was a good game for their pass rush. Watching it, I felt like it was even worse than those numbers say. I think ultimately their pass rush and they lost Kobe Turner at one point in the game. needed to be better to help out that secondary. But ultimately, we've talked all season long, Shook, about the lack, if they have a weakness, that Rams defense, the lack of size and the lack of depth at cornerback.
20:38And they benched, who was it early in this game? Darius Williams. Darius Williams.
20:43Patrick Claybon:They spent him on a mission one-on-one with no help on the feet. Right. And then they put him on the bench. Hell, while we're talking about it, you can take a look at that play because I do think it really set up that entire game that right off the bat, you hit a long pass to Rashid Jaheed from Darnold in the very first third down of the game. And it kind of set up a trend, Shook, of the Seahawks hitting third and long after third and long. They end up finishing on this game, let's see, seven for 13 on third downs. And at least through the first 10 third downs, I didn't get the final number. Like their average depth was about 10 yards.
21:22And so they hit a million of these third and longs. I think that play to Shahid really set the tone. And they kept having some really good throws like that one on third and long. But sometimes it was just wide open, not much of a pass rush, and almost too soft, busted coverage where they made it too easy for Seattle to keep it going in a lot of these drives where on the other side, the Rams were terrible on third down. And that's how games are won. If you give up four or five third and longs,
21:51Nick Shook:like you're going to lose the game yeah exactly if you're trying to find an explanation in the stats for why this game turned out the way it did you can look at the rams 479 yards that they gained offensively but you can also look at them going one for eight on third down that's the seahawks defense rising to the occasion you can look at seattle going seven for 13 on third down that's the seahawks finding a way to get it done and when you look at sam darnold's highlights you're going to see all these throws which is why we think oh wow he had such a great game which he did but that throw to shaheed that's essentially a layup because she he just cooks williams off the line of scrimmage you just got to get him the ball it's another example of taking advantage of a good matchup one-on-one down the sideline with one of the fastest guys in the nfl and capitalizing and putting yourself in scoring position very early in the game but you know what else it was too and i'm glad patrick you brought up the corner post because they feasted on the corner post against cover two in this game it was on that play to jake bobo but it had to be something they saw on film maybe just against cover two something specifically because right before halftime they have the throw to JSN for a big game.
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22:46Nick Shook:He turns around cam curl with a corner post. And that sets up the touchdown just before half that you mentioned, how do you finish halves? How do you finish games? That was a big swing in the game right there. So it's a credit to two teams knowing each other really well, but also Clint Kubiak taking advantage of a weakness that we've all seen in the Rams, save for the divisional round against the bears, which has been their secondary and especially downfield. And it was a big reason why the Seahawks were able to win this game.
23:07Patrick Claybon:I think that was the thing that they saw on the film. So it's, it's the, the Rams defensive secondary and an opportunity to make a double move and shield them off and take advantage of the size advantage that almost everyone has. The difference is, you know, where, you know, DJ Moore comes up a little bit short on an opportunity to get the inside track football. The Seahawks did not come up short with their so mad at the Rams defense watching this. Well, it was it was, you know, and they came up short. They came to be fair. This is not they're not playing our sister of the valley over there. Seahawks are very talented and gifted receiving corps with veterans and talent and all kinds of opportunities where they could take advantage of a team like the Rams.
23:53Patrick Claybon:But you have to be able to get one. Either you get some pressure on Sam or you get the inside track to a football. They didn't do either. It wasn't a great day for Chris Shula's head coaching candidacy in general. Like they, if they've done well, kind of overachieving for the talent that they had in the back seven, it all kind of collapsed tonight. And yet they're right in this game. So much went wrong. And I don't want to get out of this game without talking about Stafford playing great, that they blew a great Stafford game. He goes for 374 yards and three touchdowns in this game. You know, they don't get that red zone trip at the end.
24:34The Seahawks go four for five in the red zone. I mean, the Rams just had to be perfect, and they weren't. They go two for three at the very end. We mentioned them going with that short drive before half, but we're picking those out because they're the only times that they didn't score. I mean, the Rams played awesome on offense. The Seahawks defense gave up four drives this season of 85 yards or more. One was against the Rams, by the way, in Week 16. Two more were tonight, and they were one more yard away on that last drive from doing it again. Like they would have like basically had more good drives in this game, big, long drives than anyone did all season.
25:13They fall down two scores early. They survive it. They blow the end of the first half situation. They survive it. And they get to the point where they do have the ball with a chance to win in part because of that big two-play sequence that I alluded to earlier that involved all the different reekwilling emotions that we've watched throughout his career. It was like his entire career in 60 seconds.
26:05Patrick Claybon:kidding reek woolen instead of an la punts puts matthew stafford back in his huddle matthew with a new first down in plus territory three left higby right he's away from center play action pass spins his head around and he whistles one to the end zone caught by puka at the front left pylon on one strike matthew to puka he puts it in the paint and the rams are back One of the great parts of this game was just the emotions. You think the Seahawks are going to get the ball back with a few minutes left in the third quarter, up 11. And instead, two plays later, Matthew Stafford, to paraphrase his teammates, is out there snatching souls by going after Rikwil.
26:51And you know Sean McVay called up that play to go right after Rikwil. And Puka Nakua goes 9 for 165 in a touchdown in this game. Like how good is Puka and Jackson Smith and Jigba that I haven't even mentioned? Like the two best receivers of the season deliver nine for 165 and a touchdown for Puka, 10 for 153 for JSN. Just two of the best receiver scenes you ever want to see. But there were different moments in this game when I thought, oh, the Rams are just going to do this. There was that moment and it was the Stafford breaking Demarcus Lawrence's tackle on a fourth down scramble where I'm like, oh, they're going to do that because that was some badass like that reek will and throw like everyone's saying like oh you got lucky with the taunting call cool true you you did but not everyone is gonna hit you with a dime for 45 yards like
27:39Patrick Claybon:immediately afterwards yeah and i don't know how much of it was specifically like hey take this because puka had 225 yards receiving i do i do think the next play he was like let's go after reek will and let's do this let's do what they don't expect we'll throw the ball to puka I think they would have liked to have that opportunity, not necessarily just against Reek, but against Witherspoon, against really any coverage, as good as he's been, as good as Stafford has been in this game. And I think I felt that way too about the Rams and their opportunity to win this game. They just had to be able to get off the field on third down.
28:14Patrick Claybon:But in terms of the Rams' offensive production, I thought it was a great Blake Corham game where Blake Horham had the hot hand to the extent that we didn't even see Kyron run the ball in the second half, especially with a team that's in the Rams that only had 238 yards running out of shotgun all season long. There were a lot of McVay tendency breakers in this game. We had a couple of long shotgun runs for Blake Horham where the play calling, everything was just working so well until it didn't. Right. Like, I was trying to think of other, you know, reasons why the Rams lost. And, you know, you can look at their success rate rushing 35%.
28:53It's not great. But you run for five yards per carry against the Seahawks over 100 yards. Like, you'll take that every day. This is the Seahawks defense you're going against. They obviously played fantastic throwing the ball. I don't think there's that much more to know other than the defense and the special teams. Like, let Stafford down. Stafford had to be perfect to win this game. And there were opportunities. Like he was pretty close to being perfect. There are those two drives we talked about that they'd like to have back. He was he was so good in this game. And it's why we get mad about quarterback wins and losses like this hits me a little bit like the Brady loss to the Eagles in the Super Bowls.
29:34Like that was one of his best performances ever. And they lost the game because his defense ultimately let Matthew Stafford down today.
29:41Nick Shook:I mean, this is why we thought that these are the two best teams in the NFL because they played like it. I mean, they played like any team that's not the Rams or not the Seahawks that falls down by 11 in Seattle in the NFC championship game in a crushing turn of events in which your punt returner muffs it and they score a touchdown in the very next play. They fold. It's over. It's too loud. It's it's it's the pressure's too high. We can't get the job done. We're shooting ourselves in the foot. But the Rams have Matthew Stafford, who just comes out and call me, fires the ball downfield and they score a touchdown in four plays covering 75 yards.
30:10Nick Shook:And I'm like, oh, I forgot. He's a dog and he's not letting them go down like that. And that's why it ended up being such a good game. It's just that in these types of games where the teams are so close, that turnover legitimately swung the game in the favor of the Seahawks. That and their defense standing up at just the right time, the strength of this team delivering in the big spot. And that's why it was such a great game. That's why it felt like even though the Rams defense let them down, let Stafford down, I'm not surprised. Like both teams largely played true to who they were, save for the Seahawks defense getting kind of shredded by Matthew Stafford, but it's Matthew Stafford.
30:43Nick Shook:So I don't have any qualms or regrets about the way this game played out. I thought it was hilarious that Rick Wollin even went so far as to pull his sheisty down before talking smack to the sideline and getting the flag. I mean, that all played out perfectly. That trash talk was so long. They had to break it into two different parts in the broadcast. Cause I was like, I was like, he was trash talking for like eight seconds, but it wasn't like too crazy. I was like, ah, that was a little weak actually. But then they showed like part two was like the sequel where then he actually ran at the coach and then got in his face and yelled.
31:11I was like, I guess you got to call it. You don't have to call that, but just don't make that.
31:15Patrick Claybon:There's no obligation to call it. There's been plenty of discussions, heated discussions had on sidelines that don't necessarily do that. And to the what do I teach my kids community, the broadcast didn't even show any of it. It was just the punt team run out there and it would have been a kick and nothing would have ever happened. But the Seahawks overcome that. And, you know, you talked about Stafford. the tight window percentage was over a quarter 28.6 % tight window percentage against the 2025 Seattle Seahawks defense. A lot of them like including that, you know, Shook was referencing that after the drive, after the Bobo touchdown, where they breeze down the field, the layered ball to Parkinson, where it's just like defenders jump.
31:59Patrick Claybon:They reach, they think they have a chance. They don't. He's just placing the ball out there. And they played such heavy man coverage in the first half, like more than any time all season by far. The Seahawks are not a man coverage type of team. And they backed off it in the second half trying to adjust. Really, none of it worked because the Rams go touchdown, touchdown, get the ball to the six yard line to start the second half. It just was a game without a lot of possessions. Let's hear from McVay talking about his quarterback after this one, after a epic season. Do you expect Matthew Stafford to be back next season?
32:32Yeah, I mean, that's I mean, if he if he still wants to play,
32:35Nick Shook:the hell kind of question is that the answer is yeah you have to ask him and we've been totally present um he's i know that if he wants to he's still playing at a pretty damn good clip i mean he's the mvp of the league and if he's not you know i mean i got respect for everybody else but this guy played at a level that's just different i appreciate you guys this year thank you that's how he says goodbye matthew stafford turning 38 years old uh in a couple weeks right the day after the Super Bowl, I believe. Look, Stafford being negotiated down to take less money from the Rams last offseason is kind of funny to think back on.
33:15It would not surprise me at all if Stafford rightfully asked for more money and a raise going into next season and you're making eyes saying like, yeah. Because it's kind of insane to think about. They basically made him take a pay cut and were willing to let him possibly go to the Giants or Raiders before this amazing season. But I feel McVay's pain because he starts that press conference off by saying how it's hard to fathom that they're not playing football anymore, that they expected to be getting ready for the Super Bowl. They expected to win a championship. They were a championship level team.
33:57And I think two great teams just played today. And the Rams do not come out on top. And he knows how hard it will be to get back there next year. And that's why you got to enjoy it when you do get there. And you know who was enjoying it. Surprisingly, after the game, how about Mike McDonald on the stage with just a little bit of sauce with Michael Strahan?
34:19Patrick Claybon:Now, coming into the season, you were an afterthought to the Rams, to the 49ers. How did it feel to go through both of those teams to earn your trip to the Super Bowl? We did not care.
34:35it's about us. It's always been about us and what we do.
34:40Patrick Claybon:And now we're going to the Super Bowl. I loved it. That was like his third answer. Do you have a Mike McDonald impression from the stage? Well, it's just the way that his eyes lit up when he got the pop. And he realized, oh, this is cool. We do not care. It's about us. And before that, he was like, the 12s? I'm the greatest. And then the crowd all happened. And it was honestly like it was like Eddie Murphy at his first. We did not care.
35:14It was like Eddie Murphy at his first open mic and just feeling that laughter. And he's like, I'm going to do the rest of my life just like this. Like Mike McDonald is going to be chasing that feeling shook for the next two weeks at the very least. because he could get on an even more important podium in Santa Clara. What a season from this Seahawks crew. Let's take a break. Let's get to the AFC before we start talking about this matchup. The NFC absolutely delivered everything we wanted out of a conference championship. And weirdly, I think this AFC championship kind of played to type two, the ugly stepbrother of conference championship games.
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38:46Ellis and Drake May and the Patriots take the hand off to Stephens and the quarterback.
38:53Patrick Claybon:The Nate can bootleg out to the left as a first down that should allow the Patriots to clinch it. Unbelievable. Hey, America. We're back. Oh, no. The worst nightmare has returned. When you thought the team was down, the organization is down. Mike Vrabel and his staff. and your 23-0 quarterback, who should be the MVP, are going to Super Bowl XVI. Oh, my God. I am America. That is my worst nightmare. Because I'm a Patriots fan, and I want to enjoy it. And we got Zolak representing us on WBZ. We're not all that obnoxious, but we do have that obnoxious gene in us. It's Bob Sochi. It's Zolak. It's on WBZ.
39:40It's a 10-7 victory. Hey, America. And it's a really fitting play. I love a good highlight to start the game and the discussion that is incredibly fitting. Because in a game where there's only so much X's and O's to break down in what turned into a total blizzard, Drake May's legs were the difference. He had six first downs on seven non-kneel-down runs. they only had 12 first downs on the entire day that was the difference and the craziest thing is that's the first time I've watched that play since learning shook that that was not the play call that the offensive line had no idea he was going to do a naked bootleg he called that himself he didn't even tell the offensive line and when you watch it they're all blocking zone blocking the other way.
40:36And he just read it. And that is a ballsy decision by a second year quarterback who looked and quickly saw that he did not think anyone on the Broncos was going to have contained that he could get to the outside. And Garrett Bradbury, their starting center, said after the game, he was completely confused about what happened on that play. And May told him, I was going to tell you guys but I thought that might mess it up so I just did it oh my god that
41:08Nick Shook:is that is the moxie of a guy who's been in the league that's something that Aaron Rodgers would do that's something I know I wouldn't say Tom Brady because he was never footed foot but that's somebody who's been in the league for a long time and earned that type of cachet to make that call not even tell anybody I don't know if that's like I mean if it goes wrong he looks terrible but I mean congrats it worked out for you and it worked exactly as you intended because you're right the The edge defender there goes with the zone block as he's taught to do. He's instructed to do, and he loses contain and can't win the race.
41:34Nick Shook:That's Drake may trust in his legs. That's what it is. He goes, you know what? I know I'm a superior athlete to whoever's on the edge, and I'm going to send us to the Super Bowl myself. And I don't care if nobody else knows. I'll deal with that later, which is crazy. But I'll tell you this, as an offensive lineman, when you're told to block a certain play, and you expect a ball to go in a certain direction, eventually you're like kind of looking around, like has the running back cleared? Did he ever get anywhere? Did he get stuff in the backfield? I can't imagine the bewilderment of all those linemen when they're all flowing to the right.
42:03Nick Shook:They're waiting for something to happen behind them. And then they all look over about 25 yards to the left of the sideline. There's Drake May signaling first down, probably wondering what the hell. We're going to the Super Bowl and I have no idea how we just did it. And I know it's like one play and it seems like almost a silly point we're making, but it does kind of, I think, explain like why Drake May is cool because he also stiff arms Jonah Ellis on that play. There's a very real situation where Jonah Ellis drags him down, but Drake mays athleticism. And despite kind of struggling in the playoffs in a lot of the just pure drop back situations for a variety of reasons, he has enough plate making to make him special, to make him one of them ones and get them over on the road in Denver against this defense.
42:48Yeah.
42:48Patrick Claybon:It's ultimately the difference in this game or quarterback is able to make plays with his feet. I wondered how conservative the Patriots were going to be. Well, once the snow fest began in the second half, it was fully constricted murder ball. It was running on third and long with like six minutes to go. And so that's ultimately the difference where you believe that good things could happen with the ball in the quarterback's hands. For the Denver Broncos, it was the absolute opposite of that situation save the first drive where it's not the worst thing in the world of Drake. It doesn't. If Ellis is able to drag him down short of the line to gain there, because I didn't believe the Broncos were capable of gaining any substantial yardage with Jarrett Stidham.
43:36Yeah. You know, Jarrett Stidham had a lot of haters coming into this game. A lot of people who thought I was getting over my skis, kind of talking up the high ceiling. I did say low floor and early in this game. Why don't we at least have one more Broncos highlight this season? Very early in this game, like it looked like the high ceiling part of it might actually come true.
43:59Patrick Claybon:Stidham under center. Stidham rolls to his right. Throws wide open. Touchdown. Touchdown, Cortland Sutton. Stiddy on the money. You could see it from here. Nobody covered Cortland. So I was saying wide open because he was in Denver on the board first. That first drive, he hits Marvin Mims on third down with a beautiful throw for over 50 yards. Shook and they go into the end zone. They're driving pretty consistently in the first half of this game. And you think it's going to be OK. hey, what did you see for Stidham after that? Because look, they at one point had a yardage advantage of 125 to 12 until they went for it on fourth down deep in the Patriots.
44:55And after that, and that's pretty early in the game, they only had 56 yards the entire rest of the game.
45:01Nick Shook:You know, it's funny. I'm glad we started with the May bootleg to clinch the game because it started in the exact opposite fashion for both teams. That was actually the Broncos second drive, but their first drive ended so quickly. Everybody forgets about it because Stidham looked completely unsettled. May looked largely unsettled. Neither both teams tried to run the ball on the first two downs of each of their series. Neither got anywhere. I was like, Oh, I guess we're in for a defensive battle where both quarterbacks don't really know how to handle the situation. And then Stidham settled in. I think it was that deep ball to Mims.
45:30Nick Shook:He's got the arm. We always knew he had the arm. He puts it on him perfectly. That gives him the confidence to finish that drive off. And they were rolling. They go on another drive later in the first half where they get a fourth and one and they come up short, but they were moving the football well. And then, like you said, they had 24 yards for the rest of the first half going into halftime to miss a field goal. They lost their mojo. And part of the reason they lost their mojo is because the Patriots were able to upset him and unsettle him. They were able to pressure him. They were able to complicate the picture.
45:57Nick Shook:And you saw a lot of jittery feet in the pocket. He never really looked comfortable after those first few possessions. And then the weather set in and it threw everything, you know, askew. And basically from there, it was trying to ask somebody to throw his way out of a wet paper bag. And he doesn't understand that he's in the wet paper bag. That's basically what the Broncos offense was for the remainder of this contest. But it was a fun start. It was a fun start. It was one of those games where you have to really capitalize on your early opportunities because you never know if you're going to get them.
46:21Nick Shook:And we certainly saw that they were not going to get them when it ended.
46:24Patrick Claybon:Yeah, there was a good amount of field goal scolding for Sean Payton at the on the fourth down where they elect to throw. Coach Payton said that they had a run called, but Mike Vrabel, the master of timely timeouts, takes a timeout there, causes Coach Payton to reconsider the call that they had. He said in hindsight that it would have been better to go with the run. They played a heavy 6-1, and two guys got through on the fourth down where that was their best and last scoring opportunity. Well, I mean, I think because of the situation, you know, where Lutz is going to skate here. You're just like, Oh, you can't make a field goal.
47:04They missed two field goals in this game. Well, I'm almost 57 with the impending,
47:09Patrick Claybon:the impending snow coming in, pushing the kick to the right. So I'll, I'll give Lutz the 50, 54, I believe yarder. But yeah, that would have been considerably closer. I believe it would have been 38. It's well within Lutz's range, but, but I, I am acknowledging coach Payton's honesty there. the run call probably would have been the right one. If, you know, if Bo Nix is your quarterback, you feel good about that. But getting Jarrett Stidham in that situation on fourth and two. It was rough. And Stidham ultimately in this game, like had to just not cost them the game. And he kind of did. And Sean Payton's coaching on that fourth down contributed it.
47:51Let's listen to Sean Payton talking about that second quarter play. Just to back it up, at this point in the game, It is seven, nothing. The Broncos are absolutely dominating yardage. They are on the Patriots 14 yard line. They got a fourth and one Peyton asked about it after the game.
48:11Patrick Claybon:Coach, do you have regrets for not taking the field goal and going up to nothing? There's always regrets, you know, I felt like, you know, here we are fourth and one. We felt close enough that and it's also a call you make based on the team you're playing and what you're watching on the other side of the ball. So, yeah, they'll always be second thoughts. That's brutal. At that point, you know, they had three straight drives where it wasn't like they were just motoring down the field, but they had multiple first downs on all those drives. Three on that one. They did not have a single drive the rest of the game in eight more drives where they had more than one first down.
48:55And it's going to be a talking point for these next couple of weeks of like, well, who did the Patriots actually beat? You know, in terms of like the opposing offenses that they've faced. And they got some breaks, certainly with Nico Collins out. And, you know, the Chargers offensive line isn't great. And Jarrett Stidham playing him is the biggest break. but they've also allowed like a ridiculously few amount of points and they've had their big time players step up in big moments. Christian Barmore with a huge sack today. I thought Milton Williams had a bigger impact on this game than Nick Benito or Zach Allen or any pass rusher.
49:32He had the most quick pressures by far in this game. And then Christian Gonzalez, who does get beat early ends up making the key interception in the fourth quarter.
49:44Patrick Claybon:Shoulder high snaps. Stanton stands in. Throws a deep ball down the right side. That's out. Yeah! And intercepts for New England. He waited out a quarter. He bumped into the receiver. He has the pick. No, they tried to double him. He didn't bite on it, too. He sat. He watched his hips. More importantly, he watched the flight of the football. He timed it perfectly. It's so funny because it's a three-point game at that point, and that's an interception to basically seal it, and it felt so anticlimactic, like you just expected it to happen. and you're laughing.
50:14Nick Shook:Yeah, because it was a beach ball. The thing was in the air forever.
50:19Patrick Claybon:It was bad. The call is perfect. He waited on a floater. Like, you can't even say, like, all love to Christian Gonzalez. He's fielding a punt back there. And to call it a double move, like, Mims is, you know, kind of just, I don't know what, I don't, I would like to know what Jared Stidham was hoping to do with the way that. Well, I think what he was doing was regretting that he didn't let the pass before go, which Tony Romo thought was a good, you know, turndown that ultimately Mims, you know, kind of ran into coverage on the play before, but he had a chance actually. It was one of the few times you saw a receiver with a little bit of space in the second half and he didn't throw that ball.
50:57And then he kind of went to the next play and thought, well, I'm just going to throw this thing. It reminded me a lot of the Jared Goff interception to Stefan Gilmore in the Super Bowl. Not quite, you know, Goff wasn't quite as much of a lollipop, but considering that was indoors, they were kind of similar situations and just poor efforts we got to talk about the weather because after the game some of the players talking about it basically just said like yeah you couldn't really Evan Ingram I think said after the game you couldn't really see where the defenders were you couldn't see where the ball was especially when you were going in the direction that the Patriots were going in the fourth quarter and that the Broncos were going in the third, you couldn't see anything.
51:46You couldn't do anything. He was like, I didn't know how much depth to get. I didn't know where we were. And you also couldn't cut confidently. So it was too much weather. I'm on the too much weather. I'd rather see football played at a higher level camp. I don't know how you stand on it.
52:05Nick Shook:Okay, so Midwestern guy, have played in the snow, have played in the cold, very much the throwback. No football's a game that should be played outdoors today. Changed my mind because with the trip to the Superbowl on the line, I don't need the football reduced to whatever this was in the second half. The visibility was so bad, which by the way, hat tip to the Patriots equipment staff for inadvertently choosing the snow camo uniforms this week. Great voice foresight on your part. Just fantastic. Is that good though? I don't know if they could see their own teammates in the snow. I didn't matter.
52:35Nick Shook:They had the lead. Didn't matter. And that's the beauty of having a three point lead in a snow storm. But yes, this is a terrible viewing experience for those of us at home, just because we couldn't figure out where they were on the field. It was so bad that Nance and Romo, before the start of a drive, were waiting to be fed where exactly the ball was on the field, because we couldn't tell. That was after they took the lines that were superimposed on the field off the screen that cut off Caleb on Chason's head. Look at poor Chase on here. If you're watching on YouTube, he's Ichabod Crane. They took the poor man's head off.
53:07Sorry, Shook. Continue.
53:08Nick Shook:Yes, because technology is limited. even in these elements even in the year 2026 we can only do so much and both of these teams could only do so much so like yeah you know what i'm fine with building the domes i just thought like maybe next year it's january and the bills are back in the playoffs and they have a home game and it's snowing like hell in western new york and everybody's mad at the bills for not building a dome even though they have a canopy and they're like oh here we go another game ruined by snow it's i i actually understand the dome argument now and that's the i hate to say it because you know it's still an AFC championship game, but this was a game that was between two very, very closely matched teams that felt like it was going to come down to the final few possessions.
53:48Nick Shook:Every play really felt like it mattered because of the low score and just the thin margin for air. And I feel like we were kind of robbed of that because the Patriots go on this nine and a half minute drive to start the third quarter. They ended up getting three points out of it. And then here comes old man winner coming in and just dumping snow on the field and everything goes completely off the rails for both teams. But I guess that that's football.
54:09Patrick Claybon:Yeah, doubly robbed in this game. I think, you know, the institution of precipitation can blame Jarrett Stidham that they have lost great snow fans like Nick Shook. Because, you know, the watchability. It's Stiddy's fault. He's saying everything is Stiddy's fault.
54:25Nick Shook:It is because I'm a guy who went and watched Jameis Winston lead the Browns to a win over the Steelers in a similar snowstorm last year. And that was incredible. This was worse. My only thing on that is that the Patriots, had 65 net passing yards today. You know how horrible that is? I mean, Drake May had the same amount of rushing yards as they had passing yards. Marvin Mims almost had more passing yards on that one play than the Patriots did the entire game. So I guess I just would say, and Drake May missed, and I don't know if it was all weather, because some were early too. He missed about five throws that were just open in this game.
55:04No one was getting anything done through the air is my overriding. It was like a Raider game.
55:08Patrick Claybon:Well, I think if the snow robbed us of the pleasure of enjoying the football game, then the final moments in overtime of the divisional round, taking Bo Nix out of this. This was this was the Bo Nix game where you saw Drake May with that game ceiling run on third down. the creativity that Bo Nix has in the pocket, the antithesis of that with Jarrett Stidham fumbling on his feet and refusing to throw the ball away and ultimately giving the Patriots points where it's, we got robbed of some great opportunities. And I really think like if the schedule works, because I know folks talk about the schedule and having this, the polar vortex was going to be in Foxborough, probably would have even been worse.
55:56It was even, it looked worse. I mean, it maybe depends on the quality of the snow and the way it was. The wind was blowing in this game really hurt. And the fact that we just saw the views early in the first quarter were pristine. The fact that changed so much also was bizarre. But yes, they're getting about a foot and a half of snow in Foxborough right now. And CBS actually showed the shot of Foxborough. And they were underneath it, even in a more dramatic way. So this storm that's hitting everywhere. but sunny's California was a problem. I'm glad you mentioned the fumble. So Stidham's fumble in the second quarter to me was the biggest play of the game.
56:38You know, before that, the Patriots weren't getting absolutely anything done on defense. And Stidham just has to get rid of that ball, dirt it, take a sack, throw it out of bounds, anything. And I was making the case that he's an athletic quarterback, but he didn't look like, he is a run fast in a straight line type of quarterback, but he was one of 10 today under pressure for four yards, took three sacks, had this fumble, also had the interception under pressure. And that was early in the game when they were sending a ton of blitzes. They actually adjusted and stopped doing that and just started playing man coverage once the snow started.
57:18But basically, he just had to avoid a play like this. and they might have won this game. You know what I mean? Like, if they just punt this ball, if it wasn't for this one particular play, Shook, they maybe get it. Hell, let's actually listen to what the Patriots did on the other side, because it fits in with everything we're talking about. Drake May did take advantage, and the only way he really knew how in this game, which was with his legs.
57:43Patrick Claybon:The ride is May. Drake points with his right hand to separate protections. Takes the step. He stands in. Quarterback draw. Touchdown, Patriots!
57:59I need to stop calling for these highlights.
58:11I need to check the stats on our podcast for how many people just turned it off.
58:17Patrick Claybon:Hey, America. We're back. after each one of these calls. It is really crazy to think about how their only points were from his legs because there's that, right? There's the touchdown. There's the long run at the end of the first half to set up a field goal attempt that Boragallis missed and let you crow about a Miami kicker not being able to deliver in the cold. How long ago did you have that take, Shook? December 1st. Okay. And then you came back and the second he missed the kick, You just texted me right back and you, and you did the thing where you replied to the text that you sent on December 1st.
58:54Nick Shook:That's the beauty of modern technology is that you can keyword search your text message. And luckily I don't text about Andy Borg Alice very much. That was almost mean spirited, but also an incredible pat on the back. Cause you, you did call it. So, okay. So he had that setting up that field goal. He had the fourth down sneak, which was questionably, you know, not a first down that set up the, the field goal in the second half, the game, quote unquote, winning field goal. He also had a 28 yard run earlier on that drive. So their big chunk play on that drive was a big run, too. And yeah, he had another 13 yarder mixed in.
59:32And I do think that drive after halftime that you point out, you're like, oh, it's just three points. They had the ball for 21 minutes in the second half. They went 42 percent in terms of their six offensive lineman package. It was Thayer Mumford. They've almost not done that all season. I know that's been popular around the league, but they have not been a, you know, extra offensive lineman type of team. And they went by far higher on that in this game than any game all season. So I do think you can give the Patriots coaching staff and team credit for their, they've been very good at adjusting and shape shifting within a game.
1:00:07And that drive reminded me a lot of the fourth quarter drive against a really good Texans defense where you burn clock and you showed you could run the ball in a big spot. And in this game, like a drive like that was the difference.
1:00:20Nick Shook:Yeah. And it really speaks to how the Patriots have gotten to this point. This this postseason, it hasn't really been pretty in any game. There's been the explosive plays in previous weeks. But what they've done more than anything on both sides of the ball is they've taken advantage of the moment. They've come through in the big moment. The big plays, the Drake made touchdown pass to Hunter Henry, the Drake made a touchdown pass to Kayshawn Booty, a touchdown run or a big run to set up a field goal, dominating time possession in the second half, defensively forcing a takeaway and then converting that into a touchdown.
1:00:47Nick Shook:It hasn't been by a wide margin, but they've consistently come through because I think they're a more disciplined team. They're better prepared, better coached by Mike Vrabel and they deliver now not to go all Super Bowl preview on you, but I think in the Super Bowl against the team that they're about to play, they may need more than that because this is a much better opponent that they're going to be facing in the Super Bowl. Let me give you a couple of the stats. So through the first three rounds, for any team that played three rounds, they have the fewest amount of points in the Super Bowl era to make the Super Bowl.
1:01:2554 points. That's lower than the Ravens and the Giants. That's not the lowest scoring playoff team because previously there was a Rams team, I guess, in 79 that only played two games. So their points per game were lower. But basically in this era where you got to play three games, they have the lowest scoring. On the flip side, though, they have allowed the second fewest points in the first three games of the Super Bowl era. Only 26 points. And you look at this list of teams, and it's like the greatest defenses of all time. It's the 2000 Ravens. And I forget who else was in the mix. I think the Bucs were close on that.
1:02:02And ultimately, you add up those points. They have a pretty big scoring margin here. What is it? 54 to 26 in three games. That's ridiculous. That could be one game. That's three games. So they've they're going to get a lot of questions about the manner to which they got there. I think Drake may, even though he's not going to relish this matchup. It's a very difficult defense for the fourth straight game. I think he's going to relish being in better conditions because they did not handle conditions particularly well on offense.
1:02:31Patrick Claybon:And the conditions weren't ideal in the previous rounds either. This was, you know, unique in the snow and the cold and the wind uh but the to be able to have a drive like the one we were just talking about where they start off with a screen pass they have seven consecutive run plays wow then he scrambles they take a shot play action then they run another screen pass then they have three consecutive run plays uh get the sack and then the field goal but there's a couple of scrambles uh involved in there where you just kind of see the difference and i know we we celebrated the athleticism right because jared stoodham is a large person who is capable of running fast, but there's levels to this in terms of, you know, being aware and having the spatial awareness of where defenders are, having a plan to where you can get to where you need to go in those situations.
1:03:20Patrick Claybon:The picture is constantly changing. And Drake May is capable of doing that. Jared Stidham was not. That is fair. That is fair. And Stidham did say after the game, I should have ate that sack. The Patriots with some fun post-game sound in general. They've kind of adopted the Warriors come out and play thing between Mike Frabel, screams that to them. They're 9-0 on the road. I guess that's why. They're road warriors. So they got to the Super Bowl without losing a game on the road. We also have Milton Williams, who is delightful and has been a great quote at the podium and when he's one-on-one with our friend Cameron Wolfe.
1:03:58Patrick Claybon:Everybody doubted us. Everybody talking about we ain't this, we ain't that. They got number one all this and that. I want to hear something today. Talk that s*** today. I want to hear it.
1:04:08Nick Shook:I want to live Milton Williams' life. He wins the Super Bowl with the Eagles last year, gets a bag, and he's going back to the Super Bowl now, and he's talking his trash the whole way there. Yeah, he did it. I mean, Cameron Wolfe had a great day. He also had a one-on-one with Cardi B during this. And, yeah, Stefan Diggs also talking about all the teams that didn't want him and thought his career was over. and his biggest play, do you know which one I'm going with here in this game, Shook? Because I didn't realize it until I saw like a different angle replay pretty late in the game. It was not one of Stefan Diggs' five receptions for 17 yards.
1:04:44What an ugly game this time. It was the very first third down of the entire game. Drake May basically threw it right at Talaneo Hufanga. Could have been an interception. Could have been going back the other way. and Hufanga didn't catch it and that happens a lot and I thought he just dropped it but when you saw it from the other angle like Hufanga's got it in his hands and Stefan Diggs knocks the ball out kind of like Pukunakua a few weeks back for the Rams and had a big pass defense for this Patriots team who gets it done. And I know on the road that the defense has forced eight turnovers in the playoffs only allowed two touchdowns and I saw this stat which blew my mind from a depressed, I guess, Dolphins reporter who pointed out this is the Patriots' 10th Super Bowl appearance since the last time the Dolphins won a playoff game.
1:05:41It's kind of outrageous. Sorry to the Dolphins for the... I don't know why the Dolphins had to take a stray, but there's... Well, he said that, and I was just like, that's crazy. Is that true? How is that possible? But it is crazy. everybody doubted us everybody did doubt i mean nobody doubted them in this game yeah i had i had patriots in this game uh i had patriots in this game shook he's been doing great with the picks what about you i had patriots and seahawks look at you narrow margins in both so you you nailed it
1:06:14Nick Shook:and uh i have a couple things i want to point out from this weekend because despite that game being ugly and i love a snow day a lot of people love a snow day but what i love more than anything is the storylines. And in Ram Seahawks, we got storylines of revenge for Cooper Cup and Ernest Jones. Two guys the Rams didn't want anymore. They went to Seattle. They beat the Rams, stop them from going to the Super Bowl. And then the other one we just mentioned, Stephon Diggs. In his third attempt, he finally clears the conference title game bar and he's going to the Super Bowl for the first time. Those are all fun things to track and Lord knows we'll be tracking them endlessly over the next two weeks.
1:06:47Joel Anderson from The Ringer had a tweet. He said he doesn't know if Stefan Diggs needs the two weeks of Super Bowl attention. Fair point.
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1:10:16Patrick Claybon:Best punting game I've ever seen. It was so good. He's a rookie. He's Australian. I mean, he is incredible. He was so much better than the Patriots punter, Bryce Berenger. Like, that almost swung the game for them. Crenshaw is making it happen. Eric's looking at me like, are you really doing punting talk now? We could be getting out of here. Three phases. Three phases, baby. We're doing punting talk. You might as well do my weather report that I texted you. Oh, I didn't see that. You give it to me. You're the weatherman. It's, you know, San Francisco, Santa Clara. Okay. No dome, no canopy, guys.
1:10:50So there will be weather talk this year. 69 degrees and cloudy at kickoff. Is that the forecast right now? That's the forecast. Two weeks out, you can get them. Okay. No snow, but San Francisco Bay Area, anybody from the area knows, it can get wet and sloppy. It will get cold there. So if you happen to.
1:11:06Nick Shook:Yeah. And is the field going to be in decent shape? Because I think the last Super Bowl there was a little slippery. Well, that's a little. It's you get you get the nighttime do and that's where it gets slippery in layer.
1:11:17Patrick Claybon:It really is the worst. But also, let's not reside the field on Friday night. Please just just if it doesn't look great, who cares? I don't want to see tackles out there sliding around. Right. Because it's what a 330 kickoff. So the sun's going down, you know, by halftime or before. And yeah, then the moisture is in the air. It's getting into the low 50s. and people could be slipping around. But yeah, it should be better. Before we get out of here, just some notes. Nick Foles, remember we brought up that tweet he did about the Patriots and how backups have a good record? He deleted the tweet during this.
1:11:51No! I mean, I'm not saying they should take away the Eagles Super Bowl victory, but... Take away his nickname. They should be punished in some way.
1:12:04Patrick Claybon:I don't know if you can take that one away. That's true, but the sentiment of it, Maybe we can take it away. That's awesome. Kirk Cousins involved in the halftime. Oh. And I've got a Kirk Cousins take. He likes this. He likes this a lot. And I think he seemed fine for, he's pretty good at it, actually. And so I think we're going to have Kirk Cousins as part of our life in the media moving forward. I like it. I think he's, no offense to Tom Brady,
1:12:31Nick Shook:he's better than Tom Brady. Tom Brady's gotten a lot better this year. Well, he's on the halftime show, so that's a different skill. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I think he was a good replacement for Matt Ryan. So then he would need that panache of perhaps the Steelers quarterback job
1:12:48Patrick Claybon:over the Browns quarterback job to spring him on to his broadcast. Or he could just have Matt Ryan, who he just replaced at CBS, just fire him and he just stays at CBS. You don't have to keep playing football. Keep your brain.
1:13:01Nick Shook:He's going to have to stop shopping at Kohl's, though. I think the wardrobe department is going to have to upgrade him if he's going to be on TV all the time. I do think that Brady's improved a lot. And in general, Tom was good today. Tom was absolutely good. Chris Rose wanted to point out for you, Shook, that the Rams' loss was good news for the Browns because they might be looking to hire Nate Sheilhaus. And now those coordinators are going to be available. They might want to be talking to Chris Shula so that there's a little bit of a Browns angle for you. I think this is going to be tricky.
1:13:39Like, I've already seen a lot of, like, you know, it's almost painful for the Jets to see Sam Darnold do so well. It's a reminder of the struggles that they've had. But I think most Jets fans love Sam Darnold and will probably be rooting for him. You know, Sam Darnold's a good guy. I'm just glad they're still watching football. Right. And, oh, by the way, Mike McCarthy's the new head coach of the Steelers. Congratulations. Steelers fans. We'll spend more time. Now it just does not feel like the show to do it. So we're going to hit McCarthy and all the big coaching news at a future show in which we'll probably make Nick Shook and or Patrick Claibon do some work.
1:14:21You're not done, Shook, and you're going to the Super Bowl. This will be our last recap show with Patrick, but it's weird to say goodbye when I'll see you on Wednesday. We'll see you on Wednesday. I guess that's it. Let's get out of here. Patriots Seahawks Super Bowl 60. You know who's happy about this other than the fans of both teams? Malcolm Butler. Malcolm Butler is making so much money endorsing products you've never heard of for 15 minute spots. We'll accept you, Malcolm, working on that guest list. We'll see you next time.
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