Coach of the Year Rankings and Christmas Games Preview

23 Dec 2025 · 53 min · 25 chapters

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In short

NFL Daily discusses wide-open Coach of the Year rankings (top 5 plus honorable mentions), DK Metcalf’s 2-game suspension for confronting a Lions fan, and previews Christmas Day NFL games on Netflix/Amazon.

Guests

Ollie Connolly (co-host; coaching-focused analyst, runs a Substack/readership mentioned in transcript). Main host is Chris Wesleyan (studio referenced).

Key claims

Coach of the Year race is “8–10 deep” but top 5 is manageable; Sean Payton and Mike Vrabel are strong contenders, while Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDonald are top two. McDonald’s Seahawks defense is praised for disguise and “four-down” dominance; Shanahan is praised for sustaining elite offense despite injuries and run-defense issues. Metcalf’s suspension impacts Steelers vs Browns more than vs Ravens.

Notable examples

Ben Johnson (Bears) credited for Caleb Williams development and offensive line rebuild; Liam Cohen (Jaguars) credited for weekly offensive reinvention and Jacoby Myers fit after a midseason slump; Mike McDonald credited for offseason decisions (Geno Smith to Sam Donald, hiring Clint Kubiak) and DVOA efficiency; Vrabel credited for turning around a “desolate” Patriots-like building and game management. Christmas preview highlights Cowboys vs Commanders (possible Josh Johnson/Jeff Driscoll QB uncertainty) and expects points due to weak pass defenses.

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Chapters

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Christmas Day Games and Coach of the Year Rankings

1:45 to 2:14

Discussion on the excitement of Christmas Day NFL games and coach rankings.

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Christmas Day Games and Coach of the Year Rankings

2:53 to 3:54

Discussion on the excitement of Christmas Day NFL games and coach rankings.

“We got Ollie on a Tuesday to talk some coach of the year rankings.”

Honorable Mentions for Coach of the Year

3:54 to 5:23

Review of coaches who just missed the top five rankings.

“And the last couple of weeks could matter because we have a couple of guys who have a chance to win this award that are going up against each other the last couple of weeks.”

Top Five Coaches Discussion

5:23 to 7:06

In-depth analysis of the top five coaches of the year.

“that I defaulted to who are the best teams, and the Panthers are not one of the best teams, but he should get a little bit of mention.”

Analyzing Ben Johnson's Performance

7:06 to 8:29

Discussion on Ben Johnson's coaching performance and challenges.

“But we won't say where our other guy is if we have him higher than the other.”

Mike Vrabel's Coaching Style

8:29 to 10:00

Analysis of Mike Vrabel's effectiveness as a head coach.

“But he does remind me a little bit of Sean McVay in that it's going to be a coach-led organization.”

Liam Cohen's Impressive Season

10:00 to 11:28

Evaluation of Liam Cohen's coaching performance and decisions.

“And I know you don't have him this low, so we'll find out where you have him.”

Evaluating Coaches: Mike Vrabel and Liam Cohen

14:00 to 15:16

Learn about the coaching styles and impacts of Mike Vrabel and Liam Cohen.

“And Mike Rabel is an incredible head coach.”

Liam Cohen's Coaching Evolution

15:16 to 18:10

Discover how Liam Cohen has transformed the Jaguars' offense and team dynamics.

“But what he's done as a head coach with a really inexperienced staff is pretty impressive to me.”

Mike McDonald's Impact on the Seahawks

18:10 to 20:38

Explore the decisions and strategies of Mike McDonald for the Seahawks' defense.

“when they brought in Jacoby Myers, Jordan's been all over this and trying to fit the right guys into the right spots.”
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Top Coaching Candidates for Coach of the Year

20:38 to 21:39

Examine the potential contenders for Coach of the Year and their merits.

“He'll hit on four or five key principles he wants for the week.”

Comparing the Best Coaches: McDonald vs. Shanahan

21:39 to 24:18

Analyze the coaching prowess of Mike McDonald and Kyle Shanahan in the NFL.

“I mean, they have probably if you look at the old pro teams at the end of the season the interior defensive line, two of their guys should probably be the second team interior defensive line players.”

In-Depth Look: Mike Vrabel and Team Resilience

24:18 to 28:00

Discuss the challenges and coaching achievements of Mike Vrabel this season.

“And McDonald is a force multiplier defensively that you just rarely see with a head coach.”

Coaching Turnarounds: A Discussion on NFL Coaches

28:00 to 31:36

Exploring the impressive turnarounds and strategies of NFL coaches this season.

“I just think you're understating what a mess that entire building was in last season.”

Coaching Turnarounds: A Discussion on NFL Coaches

32:51 to 33:53

Exploring the impressive turnarounds and strategies of NFL coaches this season.

“Like, the destination could be totally average, but if the right people are there, it becomes a great memory.”

Coaching Turnarounds: A Discussion on NFL Coaches

33:59 to 36:38

Exploring the impressive turnarounds and strategies of NFL coaches this season.

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NFL News and Christmas Game Preview

36:46 to 42:00

Discussing recent NFL news, player suspensions, and an exciting preview of Christmas matchups.

“Yeah, I'm feeling a little bad because I forgot to mention Jim Harbaugh in those honorable mentions.”

Previewing the Commanders vs Cowboys Game

42:00 to 44:32

Discussion on the upcoming game between the Commanders and Cowboys, highlighting quarterback predictions and defensive weaknesses.

“and I can absolutely see that happening.”

Lions vs Vikings: Playoff Implications

44:32 to 47:13

Analyzing the Lions' offensive line issues and their potential elimination from playoff contention against the Vikings.

“I did want to listen to Jerry Jones, by the way.”

Dan Campbell's Coaching Decisions

47:13 to 49:58

Exploring Dan Campbell's performance as a play caller and the challenges faced by the Lions in the current season.

“I mean, Kingsley Egokun, he had some fun run game reps.”

Max Brosmer's Impact Against the Lions

49:58 to 54:06

Discussing Max Brosmer's performance and the Vikings' offensive challenges with injuries heading into the matchup against the Lions.

“If you think of their season, that loss to JJ McCarthy and the Vikings was kind of the canary of the coal in the coal mine of like everything that was going to come later, that wasn't going to work.”

Chiefs vs Broncos: Christmas Showdown

54:06 to 56:00

Previewing the significance of the Chiefs vs Broncos game on Christmas and the implications of the Chiefs' stadium move.

“I forgot that Paul Allen called the worst throw of the year.”

Chiefs' Struggles and Quarterback Situation

56:00 to 1:00:08

Discussion on the Chiefs' current season struggles, quarterback issues, and implications for the upcoming Christmas game.

“Still, the people in Missouri are not thrilled.”

Chiefs' Struggles and Quarterback Situation

1:00:34 to 1:01:36

Discussion on the Chiefs' current season struggles, quarterback issues, and implications for the upcoming Christmas game.

“You know how it's never really about where you're going?”

Chiefs' Struggles and Quarterback Situation

1:01:42 to 1:03:04

Discussion on the Chiefs' current season struggles, quarterback issues, and implications for the upcoming Christmas game.

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Transcript

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2:26Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're feeling like Bart Simpson just writing, we will not make fun of the Christmas Day games. We will not make fun of the Christmas Day games over and over on the chalkboard. We really aren't going to make fun of them. We're going to tell you why you can have some fun with these games. And by we, I mean myself, coming to you from the Chris Wesleyan Podcast Studio with my friend, Ollie Connolly. Not on a weekend this week because of the holiday. We got Ollie on a Tuesday to talk some coach of the year rankings. Are you ready, Ollie, to separate your favorite men in the entire NFL?

3:02I know you're a coaching guy. I am. It's very, very difficult. Is this the widest open race since you've covered the spool? Because I can't remember a year where it goes like eight, nine deep. Yeah, I think it absolutely is. I think I actually didn't have that hard of a time cutting off five. But once you got to five and we're going to count down from five to one. You can make such a strong case for any one of those five. It's just a beauty pageant where it's it. It's very, very subjective. So I would have no problem with anyone voting for any of these five men. And we do have two more weeks to go.

3:38So we're basing it on the information that we have here. We will also hit some news. We have the DK Metcalf suspension, and we will touch on the Christmas games and talk about kind of what we are looking for in those games after the break. But yeah, let's start with the coach of the year, Ali. It really is wide open. And the last couple of weeks could matter because we have a couple of guys who have a chance to win this award that are going up against each other the last couple of weeks. So putting that out of the way, I asked you to go five to one before we get into it. You said you could go eight, ten deep.

4:15Who are the honorable mention guys that you could not even get into your top five? You just want to give a little shout out to. Yeah, I couldn't get Shane Steichen in there. I think over the first half of the season, that's as good a job as anyone could have done. But I don't think you can do that based on what's happened down the stretch. I didn't have Sean Payton in my top five. And that one really hurt. So I think Sean Payton will be a worthy winner. And so to me, it's that the top six and Payton will be my first one out where it's difficult to split between the top six. OK, yeah, it it's tricky because Sean Payton comes into the year and he says we're a Super Bowl potential team.

4:49And so the expectations are raised. But you got to think of like where he is with the second year quarterback, the second year in his program. And I did give a little extra credit to coaches who it's not necessarily all just about this year. if the principles that they've set up and the culture they've established are bearing fruit now. I give a little extra credit, and Peyton should get some there. I will mention, look, D 'Amico Ryans came to Houston to build the exact defense that he's built, and it's happening. And so they're 10-5, but he couldn't make it for me. Dave Canales has his team in first place.

5:20Nobody expected that. It's such a big group this year that I defaulted to who are the best teams, and the Panthers are not one of the best teams, but he should get a little bit of mention. And then Sean McVay, he's kind of in the Andy Reid mold here where in Bill Belichick back in the day that you could put Sean McVay on the list any year and I wouldn't have a problem with it. And yet he was number five, number six or seven for me, along with Sean Payton. So I'm assuming Sean McVay is not on your top five, but maybe maybe he is. McVay is not. McVay is my frustration with the award in general, which is that we we give credit to people we thought wouldn't be good going into the season.

5:59And we say, we're so sorry. Here is an award. Whereas Sean McVay is just everything you expect, which is he is the best head coach in the NFL, proves it year in and year out. And yet he gets put in Michael Jordan LeBron category, where it's like, we're bored of you winning every time. So we'll give it to someone else. Okay, but you can be the change. You know, you can be the change you want to see in the world. I always say that on this show. Like, don't worry about what people did in the past. You could be a tastemaker now, Ollie. I mean, you obviously are on the read optional. You have a lot of people in the league reading your stuff on your sub stack and listening.

6:29But now we're bringing you to the people. Maybe some AP voters are out there listening. You could be the change. You could put McVeigh one and make the case. Last year, I had Andy Reid first. And I stand by that. He would have been a better choice. I would be happy with Andy Reid last year. All right, let's get into our top five, though. Well, what do you want to say about McVeigh then? You sounded like you wanted to jump in. I'm not so sure that Chris Ballard needs to read the read option to know Sean McVeigh is a football coach. That's fair. Okay, what we're going to do so that we really raise the drama, this is big-time pre-holiday podcasting here, is that we're going to go 5-1.

7:07But we won't say where our other guy is if we have him higher than the other. And Ali, I'll have you start out with your number 5. My number 5 is Ben Johnson with the Bears. This falls nicely into the turnaround category, though. I don't think quite as stark a turnaround as maybe guys who could be higher up on the list. I think if you just look at some of the defensive fragility and some of maybe the look involved on that side of the ball, it's a slight demerit for me compared to some other guys on the list. But I do think you have to say that everything he visioned and bet on with this franchise, whether it's the partnership with Caleb Williams, whether it's rebuilding the offensive line, whether it's building out a staff really smartly saying, I'm going to go get Dennis Allen, someone with head coaching experience, kind of guide me through the work week, someone who I can just trust on one side of the ball as I kind of deal with one side and start resetting the culture there in Chicago.

7:55Everything he kind of dreamed up going into the season, it has worked out. And Caleb Williams has developed. Now, he hasn't turned like Drake May in his second year to a guy that's in the MVP mix, much less, you know, not even the Pro Bowl mix. It's not when they announced the Pro Bowl on Tuesday. No one is saying Caleb Williams was a snub, but he gets credit for the improvement, certainly that Caleb Williams have. Yeah, I I think the questions for Ben Johnson coming into the year was a little bit about culture and is he a leader of men and all that stuff. And in the offseason, I think he helped to put that to bed.

8:30But he does remind me a little bit of Sean McVay in that it's going to be a coach-led organization. I think Ryan Poles, who was there, maybe it's a comparison to the Les Snead relationship, is going to be kind of serving Ben Johnson and what he sees. And the fact that they made their offensive line work, especially when you talk about vision, I think is really impressive for what Ben Johnson has done. No, I agree. And I think with Johnson, he was kind of miscast and misguided from the outside. It's like, oh, he's the dork. He's the nerd. He's the X's and O's guy. And then now that you see him in front of the cameras and doing the celebration, this man has a stone-cold psychopath.

9:05He is in that dank ample vision of rah-rah nonsense. He just also apprises a little genius then to him too, which I think is where you get to more McVay than someone like Shanahan, where Shanahan's a little bit more dour and those are his kind of soft skills, whereas Johnson is a little bit more in the flow of McVay, Dan Campbell, and can tap into the rah-rah side too. And he just has an edge to him. And I always remember, you know, Belichick, you know, in his book with Halberstam said, you know, once I learned as a young assistant, once I could just help a player, you know, be better or do something they couldn't do before, like they will respect me for that.

9:38That's the number one thing you can do. And I think that's ultimately the number one thing Ben Johnson has. it's crazy that he could be fifth on a list. And it's crazy for me as a Patriots fan that I'm putting Vrabel fifth on my list. I got a text from our good friend Jordan, who is really missing being on this show because she loves talking coaches. But we could wrap it up with the coach of the year rankings at the end of the year too, because we never know in terms of at least finalizing it. But I put Vrabel fifth. And I know you don't have him this low, so we'll find out where you have him.

10:11I don't want to turn this into like picking the reasons I didn't have him higher. It's just an incredible year. They won eight games combined the previous two years. That is the case for him. He is as important a coach as there is in a building. He feels like a shadow general manager. Maybe you give him a little love for that. Maybe you give him a little love for bringing the best out of Josh McDaniels. Jordan pointed that out. Although there was some reporting around the fact that Robert Kraft was really insisting on that coaching hire. You can get into that maybe when you talk Vrabel. I'm going to be real.

10:47I'm going to give him a little bit of knock for two things, at least when I'm separating everything out. In some years, he would win the award. The knock would be, number one, he's won it before, which maybe that's not fair. But I look at these other great coaches, some of who've been atop the league plenty of times and they haven't won it before. It's such a beauty pageant, silly type of award. I do think spreading it out is okay. And the schedule matters to me. It's unfortunate, but I think if they had a tougher schedule and by basically every metric, they are the easiest schedule in the league, one of the easiest schedules we've seen in years, that they would have a 10-5 record, that they're maybe more like that type of team or even a 9-6 type of team, which is no major knock, but I'm looking at it.

11:31And if I'm going to make a tiebreaker, who has the best team, who I think it's obviously subjective. The record would tell you the Patriots are one of them. That's just a little bit of a separator for me. But my God, he has done an amazing job. His soft skills, as you would say, with Drake May is incredible. And really with the entire team, he has them fired up and playing well without a very good roster when you compare it to the other candidates here. So I just want to clarify that one of your knocks there was that he's too good at his job and he's won it before. Yes. He can win it again. Okay, good.

12:04This is, he can win it again, but as a little tiebreaker, it's like Stefanski won it twice. Like Ron Rivera won it twice. We've had some guys just like keep winning it over and over. And when I look at some of the other guys here, I'll mention Ben Johnson's my fourth. So we kind of talked Ben Johnson, but this was five and four to me. And when you see, you know, the top three teams, I think we're going to have the same five guys. I do think those teams are just like a smidge better. But Ben Johnson, I'll mention, has a chance these last couple weeks to have a really strong closing statement to beat the Packers and then if he can potentially beat the 49ers this week, that would be an incredible stretch run.

12:47And I had my doubts that the offensive line, when they did all the investments and they sort of had that vision, would all work out. And then you look at it and they've made it happen. Do you have any problems with my Vrabel ranking? Clearly you do because you got a higher. I have some problems. I have more problems with the logic, I think, than the actual ranking. I think you can throw any of these guys in the end. It makes sense. I think you're chasing reasons, but the list in the order you want to, and I admire that as a podcast. Yeah, that's good. That's probably true. Game management is obviously a huge strength for him, and he turned a desolate building around pretty quickly.

13:20So did Ben Johnson. And the strength of schedule thing, that is a fair argument to make and to put it into its correct historical context, but it's not as though people were looking at them on their schedule. to open the season and saying, oh, that's a tough one against the Pats. So it works kind of both ways in that regard that they can't dictate the schedule. He's playing who he's playing with an ill-equipped roster and winning games. I shouldn't really go negative because I know all the Patriots fans are just going to key on on that. It's more about the positives that the others have brought to the table.

13:52And the fact that when I look at those, you know, beautiful DVOA rankings and I see the Patriots 26th in defense, I'm like, that kind of makes sense to me. I can see it. This team is tricky. And Mike Rabel is an incredible head coach. He has not brought great defenses basically wherever he's been. He's had one or two good years in Tennessee, mostly bad years on defense, including when he was a coordinator. All right. Who is next on your list? Number four. Number four for me is Liam Cohen with the Jags. I think that impressed me the most with Liam Cohen this season is I had real concerns about the staff he assembled and his readiness and preparedness to actually be in the big chair to make the big boy calls that have to run the meetings to make the key decisions and not just kind of be in the background you know uh second guessing what everyone else is doing in the building and to see him stave off a mid-season slump to me showed me he's really got the goods for this long term that i knew he was one of the best offensive architects of the modern era i thought that you could book that in was a little bit concerned about the connection with him and trevor lawrence and how that would work short term and medium term but after the collapse against the texans to not go into a slump and we've seen the jags do this before They are regularly every two, three seasons, one of the hottest teams in the league for a month.

15:02They have some kind of slip and often it can just descend from there. For him to be able to pull that out, address the issues with the team, rework the offense, make the trade for Jacoby Myers and make that fit so seamlessly from the jump. That to me is as impressive as he's done as a head coach. The offense stuff was always going to be brilliant. But what he's done as a head coach with a really inexperienced staff is pretty impressive to me. I thought you might have him first. I mean, he's your guy. you were banging the drum this off season and even going into it, that Cohen was like a real deal difference maker, if not at the level of Ben Johnson, like very close.

15:37And that, you know, coaching candidates like him don't come around too often. And that's why I have him on my list, too. I have him third. So you kind of led right into my number three. So we can just talk about them. Now they did, you know, have the bones of a decent team in there. They only had four wins last year, but it's a lot of players that were there when they won nine games back to back the previous two years. But the thing that's really impressive to me, Ali, is you can just see this as a Liam Cohen team. And so when I say that, what does being a Liam Cohen team when you watch this Jaguars team mean to you?

16:13It means the explosive plays. It means the commitment to the run game being tied to the play action game and trying to maximize what can get from trevor lawrence it means spreading the wealth around in the run and passing game with as many weapons as possible and i think you see all that on film the thing that really impresses me is i know they've had the issues with some of the penalties and particularly in the season kind of the offensive structure in that sense but all the little details add up with them all over both sides of the ball and special teams as well they're one of the best special teams units in the league and i mentioned the inexperience the staff i was i was as you said banging the drum for liam cohen in the offseason as a head coach i had real reservations about his connection in the league to build a good enough staff around him you know he's he's job he's jumped from job to job uh everywhere i don't think that within the league he's considered the loyalist guy to maybe go and work for and so he's got all these young people built in his image doing a job for the first time if you just go through their staff or a defensive line coach first time doing that offensive line coach first time doing that you can trust that with ben johnson he says i need people who've done the job before i'll get declan doyle who's a young cool offensive mind to help me out with that stuff.

17:15But I'm going to go get Dennis Allen, someone who's been a head coach and show me the ropes. Liam Cohen built it in his image. It's all new guys, all his friends, all young people. And I just didn't think that would all come together in year one. I thought it would be a bit more of a slow build, two years, maybe three years before we would see the best of it. And yet we've already seen it in year one. And I absolutely give credit to the hirings that the coach makes and the fact that he's doing it with such a young staff, a little extra credit there. And then Anthony Campanile, the defensive coordinator, who was an interesting name, but a surprising one to get that job out of Green Bay, a guy that they identified and has done a good job.

17:50So I think it's the way that Trevor Lawrence has transformed the last five weeks that really does it for me. And I wouldn't have a problem with anyone voting any of these top five, number one. But I think that was the last piece that Cohen needed to show was Trevor and him clicking. And we've talked about it on this show. when they brought in Jacoby Myers, Jordan's been all over this and trying to fit the right guys into the right spots. Before we wrap Cohen, just how have you seen kind of the offense transform and him figure out problem solve as the season's gone on? Because to me, that that is next level coaching.

18:28And really, all the guys that we're going to talk about today, I think has done some form of that. But how has he done it? Yeah. And that's the thing with Liam Cohen is he really just changed the offense every single week. A lot of teams don't do that. They have staple concepts. They maybe draw them up or show a different formation. He will design stuff that is fresh and game plan specific every single week. And you just don't see that even at this highest of level. And what Myers has done for them is just brought in a professional capable receiver who knows where to be, does all the dirt to it, will block for you, will pin inside, will run routes appropriately, will catch the ball when it's thrown at him.

19:00It's a revolutionary concept for the Jackson season. When the ball is in your hands, you should maybe hold on to the thing. And so just having that sense of reliability, having Brenton Strange's sense of reliability, where I will not give Liam all the credit is Trevor Lawrence has just gone supernova. I'm not sure that your quarterback rolling to his left with pressure in his face and ripping a 40-yard bullet downfield is like brilliant coaching. I think that's just a player on a crazy hot streak playing at the peak of his powers. But Lawrence certainly looks more comfortable in the offense, whereas for the first six, seven weeks, even when they were winning games, things looked a bit bitty.

19:29They looked a little bit uncomfortable. Yeah, you got to give a little credit to Trent Balky back in the day because some of his players who are making big time plays. I thought about that, too. In the Broncos game that, yes, scheme was great, but they also just like won some one on one matchups in really impressive ways. I'm amazed that you only had your guy Cohen fourth. I almost only put him third because I didn't want us to get over our skis and just have all Cohen all the time. Who do you have third? I have Mike McDonald third and this one did because he probably should win um but he just deserves credit for the two key decisions he made in the offseason I think which is moving on from Gino Smith who unfortunately you know sad for us looks washed in Vegas going to get Sam Donald then pairing him and hiring Clint Kubiak and those are the two biggest most deciphered decisions he could make in one offseason and both have been slum dunks yeah and you you look at what what he's done on defense and this is kind of where I'm getting to my two year process what what do you like best about watching this Mike McDonald defense I know we're coming off of a rough performance for them but they're another team that's going to be interesting to watch these last two weeks he goes up against Canales and then he goes up against Shanahan in the last week so my not so hot take is this award is yet to be won the last couple weeks is going to matter a lot but like what do you like best about watching this version maybe year two of the Seahawks defense what I like this season is it's a little bit more disguise oriented than was last year when he was really trying to figure things out they had massive communication problems at the first half of last season they dressed it with the Ernest Jones trade in the middle of the year but Ernest Jones struggled with communication himself so this year they'd be more aligned and been able to get just a broader menu of things and the thing that McDonald does I think better than most defensive minds is they do not run a lot of stuff he's given like the genius tag because you know he's young and all that stuff but they don't actually run a massive amount of different things defensively they just always pick the right stuff every week.

21:25He'll hit on four or five key principles he wants for the week. They use it to the absolute max. It's the same style as you'll see with McVay on offense where it's running the same stuff dressed up slightly differently. They bring an offensive mindset to the defensive side of the ball. And then he's just had a dominant four down rush. I mean, they have probably if you look at the old pro teams at the end of the season the interior defensive line, two of their guys should probably be the second team interior defensive line players. So they just have a dominant down four to go and play with then you can have the kind of fun and creativity on the back end.

21:54Okay, so we've reached our top two picks. And I guess I'm not shocked because for me, like I said, the top five was relatively easy to get the five. So we had the same five. So by process of elimination, let's just give our top two picks now. Because to me, it's down to McDonald and Kyle Shanahan. And for you, it's down to Vrabel and Shanahan. So I'm going to give you my top two picks. Your number three is my number one. I am going with Mike McDonald. and it's a combination of everything. And when I first wrote the list, he's fourth or fifth. And the longer I thought about it, I was like, why wouldn't Mike McDonald be the head coach to win coach of the year this year?

22:32Because you talked about sometimes it's the guy who did it versus expectations. And I think that's worth considering. Well, the Seahawks, over under win total before the year, I think is as good a way to talk about it as anything. They were an eight and a half win team before the year in Vegas. That's actually the same as the Patriots. It's the same as the Bears, depending on where you look. It's two less than the 49ers, and they are the best team in the NFL. So that gets me somewhere. If you win these last two games, especially. Then you go to his side of the ball. That does matter to me a little bit.

23:06Being that badass play caller, building a side of the ball, that's one thing I guess I've able, you know, just lacks just a little bit. He had a vision for this defense. They're number one in terms of DVOA efficiency right now. Like it's been a two year process. I think they're very good in game management. I think he did well with his hires, especially on special teams. They're an outstanding team. It's just a full, complete team. And when I just went through all the different boxes, he checked the most of them. And I just thought, well, you should give it to the best team. And it might come down for me to that, that week 18 game, Kyle Shanahan versus Mike McDonald.

23:43If that is for the one seed, it's stupid, but it's probably for my coach of the year too. because we can get into all the reasons why Kyle Shanahan's having an incredible season. He would be an absolutely worthy winner. But right now, as it's stacked, I have it. McDonald one, Shanahan two. Who do you have on top of your list? So I have Mike Vrabel two. I have Kyle Shanahan one. I'll just say quickly on Mike McDonald. I think that you're absolutely right. The award should be decided by who wins the NFC West. And if that winds up being McVay, just give it to McVay. If we're talking about strength of schedule, Well, having to get through that conference, through that division is the toughest thing you can possibly do.

24:20And McDonald is a force multiplier defensively that you just rarely see with a head coach. It's hard to find a defensive minded coach who year over year can get the best out of some of the parts. And I think he's obviously done that. And that was the vision when they brought him in, right? To take on Shannon Adam McVay in that division was, well, we'll go get the defensive guy who can slow those two offensive gurus down. And if they go on to win the division, they'll have proven the theory. Right. And let's be real. When we're talking strength of schedule, Kyle Shanahan with Mac Jones went to L.A.

24:50and won. And it was early in the season, but he got that win against Seattle. So when you think about the brilliance of their offense, obviously, it's a year to year basis. And it's kind of like I was saying with Andy Reid. And I don't mind giving McVay this credit, too. I will give the coach credit for just always being awesome and building a structure where you don't have to start it over from scratch each year. If he goes and does win these final two games, I mean, he will be my pick. Who is your pick between him and Vrabel right now? Shanahan is one for me. If the job is to be the coach of the year, how is it not coaching to have all those different injuries and just keep finding a way to churn through and win games and including, as you mentioned, big matchup Thursday night football against the Rams.

25:38And this is where I kind of am a hypocrite to myself because I was down on them coming into the season. And usually with Cali Giants, if they're healthy, they make a championship game or they get decimated by injuries and they fall off. This year, he's been decimated by injuries and still found a way to keep the thing churning. And I just looked into open the air. I didn't think they were as talented as people thought they were anymore. I thought the idea that you could fix something as structurally flawed as their run defense by just drafting players and thinking a draft class could fix your run defense, which is kind of fancy land type stuff.

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26:08And some of that has played out. But to keep doing what he's doing on offense without the lack of playmakers being down off and just it's Christian McCaffrey and nothing else. And being able to just sustain a level until you start getting some of the reinforcements back and get a little bit healthy to close the season. It's just, I think, as good as a coaching job as anyone can do. It could have been very easy, I think, to have a degree of burnout. He's been there so long. The same message. They brought Robert Salah back. that felt very uninspired to me to go back to Robert Sala. And it would have been easy, I think, with all those injuries to have lost the building and for this to have gone off the rails.

26:39For him to just keep it chugging along and to be in with a real shove, having the one seed is just preposterous. Yeah, I agree because I know it's coach of the year, but coaching is not a one-year job. We can be the change that we want to see, Ali, and choose the person that is giving yourself a schematic advantage each and every week, has identified the right players for his system and that they're able to deal with the kind of losses that they've had this year on both sides of the ball. I think that's great to point out that the offense had a ton of injuries early. And if he somehow finds a way, and look, I think they're probably the underdogs in both these games against the Bears and certainly the Seahawks.

27:20But if he can somehow find a way to win those two games, it's undeniable because it's Mac Jones stepping in. you get kind of both cases. Sometimes it's a big coach of the year thing when you can win with the backup. So you got to get the case with the backup and a lot of backups on the offensive line at the skill positions when Mac Jones was in there and they found a way to get it done offensively. But you're also seeing, okay, with Brock Purdy and the skill position guys healthy, this is maybe the best offense in the league. It's certainly in the top five. And then you give Shanahan credit for that.

27:53I want you to give all the great reasons why Mike Rabel is number two on your list and knocking on the door maybe wins this award in the end. I just think you're understating what a mess that entire building was in last season. And to have even smiles on faces would have been an unbelievable job. And he's not exactly a guy who comes into but smiles on faces in the first place. So it's an unbelievable turnaround to me, obviously unlocking Drake Mayen, whether it was Robert Kraft who hired him, where I think Jonathan Kraft did hire Josh McDaniels, but being able to acquiesce that and kind of accept and submerge your ego to say, okay, that's best for the franchise.

28:28We'll do that. That pairing working really well. And I know you mentioned defensively, they've not been that good. They did lose their DC for the entire season, essentially Terrell Williams going out with the cancer diagnosis. He was back in the building last week to help out and being willing to step and say, we'll put Zach Corr in charge, who is a really young guy, has only ever called defense at the college level, to be willing to let someone do that and take on more responsibility in that direction himself as the head coach. I think is pretty cool stuff. So to even stay afloat when you've had that happen to the building with the lack of just general talent they have on that side of the ball, and they've had a bunch of injuries on that side of the ball too, just staying afloat enough to allow the offense to take over and close out games, I think is pretty remarkable.

29:11I think that's all dead on. I'm almost hearing like Belichick's voice in my ears like, well, you know, points, points matter too, don't they? And it's like, yeah, they are seventh in points allowed. Points is an important statistic when it comes to defense. And yes, the schedule helped them on that too, but they've been pretty good in situational football. And that's the thing that you've gotten with Rabel is you're getting the full suite. It's not like a coach with, like he's got this strength, but some real shortcomings there. He can do this. Like you get Mike Rabel and he can do it all in terms of leading the building, leading the players, not just motivation, but understanding the right buttons to press strategically because they are one of the best teams in terms of game management and the staff he's brought in and the staff he took over.

29:58It's all fair. I'm totally happy if Vrabel wins the award. It's just very difficult to split these five up. It's a very strong year. I can't remember a year like this where there's this many good candidates. No, I think Vrabel also deserves credit for every single bet he's made. You called him the shadow GM. I think he's just the GM. I think the hell he is. just like whatever you say boss um every single bet he made where he was sort of mocked right for he's coming back and he's getting the tennessee ban back to i was like well how great were those tennessee teams in the first place this thing has a chance to maybe go off the rails as he still have the magic does he really make a significant difference as a play caller on any side of the ball if he's the overseer how is this going to go well he came in the institute of the culture he brought in bobby splain he brought in caleb on chase on the side milton williams to big money every single one of those bets he's made even trading away established veteran safety to say were going with the young guys, and the young guys have played significantly better than the vets who they've dealt away elsewhere.

30:55So putting trust and faith in some of the young players and some of the play development has been impressive too. And they're favored to go 14-3. All they got to do is beat the Jets, and I think the Dolphins will be a little trickier in Week 18, but they could be 14-3. And if they are, that would be my guess, is he would win the award, barring Shanahan winning these two games. But my vote is for Mike McDonald. I would have no problem. with him winning. I personally don't give him the extra credit or at least much for the signings, but I think it's totally reasonable to do so and to think about the personnel of it all.

31:30When you got Mac Hollins out there making big time plays for you in big spots. Okay. Let's take a quick break. We're going to come back on the other side and we'll do a little bit of news and we will talk about those Christmas day.

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37:02But we are going to do some news. Yes, got the news, Ollie, on Monday that DK Metcalf will be suspended two games for physically confronting a Lions fan in Detroit. As of this taping, we're waiting to find out about the appeal. one reason why I didn't bring it up on the Monday night recap. First of all, I was just basking in the afterglow of Philip Rivers playing outstanding. But the other was I was hoping to find out about the appeal. But as of this taping, we don't know. It could possibly go down to one game. Mike Tomlin spoke about the suspension and DK Metcalf on Tuesday. He did explain to me why he did what he did.

37:45And I certainly don't condone the behavior, but I support DK. and I really don't have a lot to add other than what I just told you. I think he has a hearing this afternoon, an appeals hearing, and I certainly don't want to weigh in prior to that. And certainly I've heard more recently that there might be legal ramifications, and so I better be careful about what I say and how I say it. The NFL had a statement supporting pretty clearly in the player conduct policy of why they made the decision that they made. Just thinking about it on the field, Ollie, there was a part of me that just wanted to be smarmy and be like, well, this is what Aaron Rodgers and Arthur Smith want anyways.

38:28An entire offense built out of Kenny Gainwell, Darnell Washington, with a little bit of Jalen Warren and Scotty Miller mixed in. Do you think this impacts the Steelers, especially this week against the Browns trying to win the AFC North? I think it does against the Browns because you're going to see such a man coverage heavy unit and the only man coverage they have is just let's get the ball to DK. And so if you've ripped that out, I think that's a problem. It's actually hilarious that the Lions switched to the most zone coverage they've played in two seasons effectively against the one team they didn't need to do that against and then got roasted yardage-wise.

39:05So I think it impacts against the Browns. I think less so against the Ravens where they can just get into big bully ball mode and run the ball down their throats. A little bit of Ben Skronic throwing in, but I think it does impact them against the Browns. Yeah, it's a really interesting what if, because if they had seen what happened on Sunday between between DK, you know, shoving, grabbing the collar of the fan, he would have gotten ejected from that game. And ultimately, he did make some key catches down the stretch in that game, which helped them win. And because they did win that game, they might not need him at all to win the AFC North.

39:40They might not even have to play to win the AFC North because the Ravens are on Saturday night. They're going to be underdogs against the Packers. We're still going to have to find out who the quarterbacks are there. But the Ravens lose that game. And then, yeah, the Steelers win on Sunday. You know, they could take care of business before DK is even back. OK, let's talk Christmas games. I joked about it at the top. We've all we've all had our fun. This is what it is. And people are saying, are they going to build in flexible scheduling into future Christmas games? If it's in the middle of the week, it's tough.

40:20Patrick Mahomes did not tear his ACL until a week and a half before this game. I don't know if they're going to be able to have a situation, for instance, where they could flex it that close for a midweek game anyways. They don't do that right now. and for instance with the Minnesota Vikings losing J.G. McCarthy and Washington you know all these injuries happen late it's it's just what happens at this time of year the football schedule is unpredictable but it will start on Netflix Ollie with the Cowboys being seven point favorites in Washington we got Ian Eagle Nate Burleson and Matt Ryan these are kind of one-off crews here for the Netflix games but I like that crew I'm looking forward to it we kind of decided to pose this as like, what would you look forward to in this game?

41:08Ali, like, I don't know what your plans are on Christmas. Are you in Manchester? Like, where are you going to be on Christmas? I will be in Manchester. I will be glued to Netflix and then to Amazon Prime later on to watch this, these glorious series of matchups. No, you don't have to do that. I'm saying like in any football game, I'm, I do feel like a sicko sometimes, like whenever these games get closer, I do get a feeling of just like, I am excited. Here comes another NFL game that hasn't, that hasn't left me here on Christmas. It's a little much, but there's always something to watch for me.

41:38I guess I would just start with Dak Prescott, who's coming off a fantastic game against the Chargers. And I know a lot of people say like, oh, winter football. Like, I love it with the weather and the conditions and like close cold weather games. It's like, no, I'd rather see Dak Prescott ripping highlight reel throws and George Pickens and CeeDee Lamb kind of just going nuts on a pretty underwhelming defense. and I can absolutely see that happening. I know it's in Washington, so the weather could be bad here, but I do think it could be a game for Dak to just go off and put up some big numbers.

42:11I actually think this is a fun early one because I think we're going to get a ton of points. Since week eight, the Commanders, 32nd in the league in pass defense EPA per play. The Cowboys are 31st. Marcus Mariota is no longer just kind of the efficient get the ball out guy that he's been for most of his career. He is gunning down the field. I don't know where he is right now, But a couple of weeks back, he was the leader in the league in yards per attempt. And he is really trying to drive the ball down the field in ways that Marcus Mariotta is not normally accustomed to doing. So we're going to get Dak throwing heaters.

42:39You got bombs away Marcus Mariotta. We got two stinky defenses. I think there could be some fun points on the line. Now, I did a bad job setting you up because as of Tuesday, we do not know the starting quarterback of Washington. But I did some digging this morning. And by digging, I mean I searched Twitter. and Marcus Mariota not seen at practice the last two days. They have been practicing. And then I did a little more digging, which is just texting various insiders and whatnot who would know more. And again, no one is reporting. No one knows. But I think the betting favorite right now would be Josh Johnson starting this game for the Commanders, in part because they signed Jeff Driscoll to the active roster off the street, which we're getting deep here.

43:25and the reason they would sign Driscoll, I don't think is to start Driscoll, but because they don't trust Hartman, Sid Hartman, to even be their backup. Sam Hartman, rather. I was thinking about Sid Luckman, the great quarterback back in the day. Sam Hartman, that they don't even trust him to be the backup, but who knows? Maybe it's Driscoll and Johnson on Christmas. So that could be good. It's a group that would make the Cowboys look better defensively. That is true. Josh Johnson also has no pulse, so he almost will be bombs away. So that's exciting. So he could have a drive up and down the field type situation here.

44:03Irrespective of who's played quarterback for the commanders, there will be a sea of coverage busts in the flakiest defense in the league that plays about three different coverages and somehow still finds a way to bust it four or five times a game. I know it's on three days rest, but who would complain if Philip Rivers just joined the commanders right now and you put him on Christmas against the Cowboys? Philip Rivers might complain. It might be tough in that offense. I'm liking Dallas. I'm giving everyone free picks just for a little extra value. Dallas covering the seven here. I did want to listen to Jerry Jones, by the way.

44:34After the game on Sunday, he was asked about the difficult decisions when it comes to Matt Eberflus, his coordinator, after the season. I don't know that, relatively speaking, I might not couch it as difficult. It's certainly something that we have to do, and that is look at the entire year and look at what our options are and how to correct not being here at the same time next year. That is absolutely brutal. I mean, he was in the family, Matt Eberflus. How do you even show up for work the next day of your Matt Eberflus? It's like, if you're going to let me go at the end of the season, can I just get to Miami two weeks early and go and have a vacation?

45:21You're a professional, and you think about, hopefully, the generous contract. I'm guessing that Matt Eberflus is near the top of the defensive coordinator pay rankings in the NFL, and that money is guaranteed after this year. So you keep showing up and collecting those checks for two more weeks, and hope that you have a good matchup against Josh Johnson. All right, in the middle matchup, we have the Lions. This will matter for playoff positioning. if the Lions lose this game in Minnesota and get swept by the Vikings, because yes, the Vikings beat Minnesota, I mean, beat the Lions earlier this season, then the Lions are eliminated here in Week 17.

45:59That would be really sad. It would be even sadder because they're facing our guy, Max Brosmer. The Lions are six-point favorites in Minnesota. What are you looking for most in this game? what I'm looking for is the offensive line the Lions and the interior offensive line do we have a health update on who will be starting at center for the Lions are we aware of who that will be because this thing of rotating through and changing your center almost drive by drive both being terrible both being unable to snap the ball is a real real problem at Jared Goff is of so much credit for last week for standing in an absolute fire it was a storm around him and just throwing dime after dime down the field but they've had a compromised offensive line for the entire season this was penny sewell's worst game of the season oh wow and probably the worst game of his career last week um and the interior is just such a problem and it really showed up that if your interior is weak and particularly if it's slow off the ball it is the whole house of cards falls in so they got to try and correct some of that stuff they got to have a solid protection plan against the the chaotic and chaos of brian flores and i just got to see does that thing look a little bit tightened up because even if they sneak into the postseason here i just think they are so fundamentally flawed with that offensive line that they'll get waxed early on anyway i I mean, Kingsley Egokun, he had some fun run game reps.

47:18I don't know. Maybe those are just like highlight reel reps. But it's funny because we're watching Jared Goff's best moments last week. And because you're talking about the interior line, I'm looking. And the interior line caves basically every play. They're at backups everywhere. And even the tackles. You mentioned Sewell struggled. But Taylor Decker is not quite what he once was. And I agree. Goff is playing quite well over the last five or six weeks. I think he's playing fantastic, but this is a dangerous matchup. The Vikings defense, I couldn't believe this. They haven't given up a passing touchdown in like nine weeks.

47:50It's an NFL record, and they are balling out right now against bad offensive lines. This is a tough front for them to go against. Let's actually listen to Dan Campbell because we've been talking about the run game struggles for a while that Detroit's had. They just aren't the same team when they can't run the ball. It takes really all 11 guys to get the run game going. You know, everybody's got to be on par. So, you know, one time it's one player here, whether it's in the O-line or at another spot. It's not just there. You know, the backs are involved, receivers, tight ends. So we just kind of took turns with whether it was some of the combinations or not, you know, we're not honoring the ID or maybe it's not the right read.

48:37But, yeah, we had there was a couple in there. I wish I could have had the calls back, a couple of calls back. To add, Dan Campbell is kind of bumming me out right now. It's too bad because they didn't make that pass interference call on Tesla. This game would mean a lot more, and they would have found a way, despite being down 12 points with under five to go, to win that game. I thought that was a bad call. But what are you making of what Dan Campbell has been doing as a play caller and where he's at as their coach? I thought he was doing well and he didn't change a dramatic amount of the offense he just started trying to feature players more he would kind of move around who was wearing the read to try and feature players more than before when it was Moten and it was just more of just call the plays and the guys are lined up where they're lined up so I thought that was a smart little switch that he made I thought last week against the Steelers was just very bizarre in that he abandoned a ton of the key principles that the Lions have you mentioned some of the run game struggles they've over all the play action system because how poor the interior is jared goff wants to play in a vertical play action set where it's him deep in the pocket right it's the classic like duo inside runs you get the fake handoff it's a deep vertical pocket they don't move the pocket an awful lot they had to move the pocket against the steels because you can't just sit in a deep vertical set if the interior is getting caved in every single time and jared goff isn't a guy who can play on the move he's not a boot action thrower he's a deep vertical play action thrower so you start taking that stuff away from the lions you have real issues they didn't have as many crossing and runaway type routes where you're just running to grass there was a lot of return to the quarterback hitches and stops that's just not who the lines have been throughout the entirety of this run so that gave me real pause that he was pretty concerned about his own personnel and talent and it ties up to what he's seeing there so much of what they've done over this run with ben johnson then to den campbell is based off the tight end and the tight end being a true all-around player who can impact the run game can impact that vertical play action game they just don't have that right now of laporta throw.

50:30Yeah. If you think of their season, that loss to JJ McCarthy and the Vikings was kind of the canary of the coal in the coal mine of like everything that was going to come later, that wasn't going to work. They could not run the ball at all in that game. They ended up with 65 yards or they were just banging their head against the wall and the defense did not play well and it has not played well. I like the Vikings to at least cover the six. This does not count towards my weekly pick show. These are not my official picks. We're just giving extra because we want to on Christmas. And you know what's a little extra is getting Max Brosmer in what could be the most watched game of the entire season because the afternoon Christmas slot is like the afternoon Thanksgiving slot.

51:14Sort of set up to be as most watched as it could possibly be. And Brosmer came in at halftime last week. Now they only scored three points. Scoring points is important in the second half, but he did have a game-winning drive to set up that field goal. Let's actually listen to Paul Allen call the best Max Brosmer throw of the year. Max Brosmer, the Vikings 4 of 8 on third down, looking at a third and 17. He'll throw left to Jefferson, caught at the 46, and yes! That's a cold-blooded connection. Right hash, left sideline, 22 yards, Brosmer to Justin Jefferson, and a first down. That really was an awesome throw.

51:58That's Paul Allen on KFAN and Pete Bursich. I love the intensity. This Vikings team, this broadcast crew, they have not lost any intensity. That was third and 17, and I don't think it actually set up the game-winning field goal, but it was a dime. And I'm thinking back to when we watched them in London and we saw Brosmer warming up on the sidelines after Carson Wentz took that big hit where it was Carson Schwestern that hurt him. We thought Brosmer was coming in. We thought that was going to be a moment. Now we get a moment on Christmas. What are you thinking the Max Brosmer experience is going to be like?

52:33A little concerned. I was excited for people who don't know. My former staff at Western Michigan, they went to Minnesota. Max Brosmer was their quarterback there at Minnesota. Everyone there absolutely loves Max Brosmer, loves the intelligence, loves how well he understands the game. And so I was a little bit bought in to all those kind of cliches and the under-the-hood stuff about the quarterback. and I was buying some of the kind of titillating stuff going around the surface about, well, Kevin O 'Connell in training camp with Brosnan versus McCarthy and someone understands the playbook and someone's really struggling.

53:01Then I did watch the Seattle game and go, okay, I've been duped a little bit here. The guy just snapped the physical to maybe play in the NFL. I thought I did enjoy the Paul Allen on that throw is making it out like it's some kind of Brett Favre complete sizzler to the sideline. I don't think it was quite necessarily to that level, but I think he will at base minimum, get them in the right plays, get the play called in time, get them lined up, not blow the protection assignments the way J.J. McCarthy did and got himself hurt at the weekend. So if they can just scrabble out enough points to let the defense go feast, I think they can keep it close.

53:31And for most of the world that understandably did not watch the Vikings-Giants game, which was comedy last week, Justin Jefferson made about three or four plays that only Justin Jefferson would make in that game. Justin Jefferson is still balling out. It still is a great group around Brosner. The problem is Ryan Kelly, their center, has a concussion. I assume we're not going to see him again this year. Christian Dara saw their left tackles out. They also lost a guard. So they were missing like an entire side of their offensive line. And that's troubling. But I think they'll keep it close. And I think the defense will play well.

54:05And it's a good matchup for Brosner because the Lions defense has been one of the worst in the league statistically for now five or six weeks. Let's wrap up on Christmas night. by Max Brosnan. I forgot that Paul Allen called the worst throw of the year. Unfortunately, I don't think any throw is going to top that. That's going to be on the top of the podium at the end of the year. Let's go to Kansas City. 13 and a half point favorites. The Broncos need this game to keep control of the AFC West and the number one seed. So it is very important for them that they bounce back and win this game. I think probably the number one reason to watch here is schadenfreude.

54:46Just everyone who's gotten their teeth kicked in by the Chiefs over the last few years. I have our producer, Eric, who's a Bills fan, just shaking his head back there. I don't think a lot of America is going to mind the Chiefs getting the doors blown off them at home on Christmas. As cruel as that sounds, I just think it's kind of true. No, I think that's true. The Broncos, they want to prove that they can truly be contending in the SEC. They've got to completely rip apart the Chiefs and just rip the throat out and have it over almost by halftime, have Travis Kelsey going up and down the sidelines, screaming at everyone, how dare my career end this way, all that kind of stuff.

55:21I think that is what you will be tuning in for. I hate that this will probably be Travis Kelsey's last game at Arrowhead. We got the news on Monday that the Chiefs are officially moving across state lines. It's about 19 miles away, but to Kansas. Got a lot of public money that convinced them to build the stadium there. It's going to be a dome stadium. And I'm just thinking, man, when they first mapped all this out, they could have never imagined a scenario where we are announcing that we're moving to Kansas. And I know it's still Kansas City. I've driven through there. It's Kansas City on both sides.

56:05Yeah, I get it. Still, the people in Missouri are not thrilled. I could not imagine that they would be 6-9 right before a Christmas game where the number one seeded Broncos are coming in. And you have Chris Olatakun starting at quarterback. It's going to be tough. I can't really come up with any football reasons to watch because I did watch the Olatakun reps. And he looked like a third string quarterback who was a seventh round pick for the Steelers. Like I've seen worse, but he's not going to be able to lift up an offense that has its share of issues, especially on the offensive line against this Denver team who has to be pretty upset with what happened last week against the Jaguars, Ali.

56:51Yeah, I think that you're looking at an offense is completely devoid of identity. And I just thought we'd never, ever think that in the Andy Reid era. And it's a reminder of just the specialness of Patrick Mahomes when you see what it looks like when you rip him out of the starting lineup. You are watching this to cheer the fact that Nick Wright is very, very sad somewhere, smoking as many heat as possible to get through the fact that Shane Buschel may be in by the fourth quarter of this thing. And honestly, to see how Bo Nick stands up against Spagnuolo. I think that is a real thing. Spags' defense this year has been all over the place by his standards.

57:22He has become even more of a blitzing maniac than he has in recent seasons. His second down blitz rate has skyrocketed to the highest amount in his career. That is a key sign with Spags that he does not like the goods. He doesn't feel he's got the goods on defense. I do want to see how Bo Nick stands in and handles all our pressure stuff as we get towards the postseason. People build a Nick specific plan just to kind of see what he looks like. I think that they will absolutely roast them. But that is one thing football wise that I'll be watching. Yeah, I was disappointed by the Chiefs defense last week.

57:49They threw a lot at Cam Ward initially and then they just caved in and there wasn't a ton of fight there. And the Titans offense looked as good as it's really looked all season long against this Chiefs team. So I expect Denver to bounce back big time. And we're friends of Nick Wright, fans of Nick Wright. But I think he would enjoy, you know, you trash talking him like he's been trash talking the rest of the league for a long time. I did see a graphic going around of him predicting how the AFC West would go. And of course he had the Chiefs first. And he took the Chiefs, I think, first in our over-under win totals draft.

58:28I would have taken them too. I thought they were going to hit that over. So everyone would have had the Chiefs first. but he had the Raiders in the playoffs in second, and he should have to wear that almost as much. You know what's annoying about this? And this is a very, you know, self-centered take. You know, I hate Patrick Mahomes getting injured so much. It ruins, it ruins like the sport next year to start. It ruins, you know, the middle of one of the best players of all time's career, but it also almost ruins my ability to enjoy dunking on the Chiefs right now because it's just more sad than anything.

59:01I like they should just be six and nine or seven and eight with Patrick Mahomes. And that would be much more fun for me to like enjoy their downfall. This just seems sad. This is just depressing. I'm ruining the end of Christmas. I mean, it's supposed to end Christmas. Patrick Mahomes against Pat Joseph. That's a great gift to me. And I've lost that. To be real, I you've seen some great final moments in a stadium and everything. Maybe they get Travis Kelsey a touchdown or something like that. And it could be a cool moment. I'm sure Andy Reid is, if he's doing anything this week, it is working on some special plays for Travis Kelsey to get a touchdown and to have a final moment.

59:39We can only hope he's as successful as Kellen Moore was for Taysom Hill at the Superdome last Sunday. Amazing moment. Taysom Hill was crying on the postgame. All time, like his home fan base is going to love Taysom Hill forever. Good job by Kellen Moore and Taysom Hill. Good job by you, Ollie. Appreciate you having you on, stepping in and we'll get you back on our Saturday Sicko show in a couple weeks. But in the meantime, enjoy Christmas. Enjoy the family. All right. That is it for today's show. We are going to be back on Wednesday. I'm losing track. We're coming back a little earlier than normal in the feed with your preview show.

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