Coaching Roundup: Gannon, Stefanski and Carroll are Gone, Who is Lucky to Stay?

24:37None of whom work for the Raiders. He just keeps trying before he gets it.

24:41Nick Shook:I was like, how many former head coaches is he still paying right now? We got McDaniels, Pierce, Carroll. Just the list goes on from there. It's crazy. Let's take a quick break, and then we'll come back with some of the guys who are staying put. And just a few more odds and ends.

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29:12Back on NFL Daily, where I'm going to make Nick Shook play the uncomfortable role, or at least watch me play this role of a guy who seems annoyed that other grown men professionals kept their jobs in this site.

29:29Nick Shook:That is an interesting stance to take, but let's do it. I mean, I just I'm voicing some of my frustration with how some of these organizations are run and maybe representing how some of the local fan base feels in different cities, starting in Cincinnati. I got the text from Nick Wesseling. He was not surprised that the Bengals announced they are keeping Zach Taylor, the head coach, and Duke Tobin, who runs the front office. If you're watching us on YouTube, appreciate you guys. If you're looking for the recap show on YouTube, it's a collaboration. It's on our our site, but you can see the Mike Brown statement where he points out that he knows the season's been frustrating and disappointing, but that they're going to keep Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor, that they are the right leaders to guide them forward.

30:20They have proven that they can build and lead teams that compete for championships. He mentions that they were in a Super Bowl and made it to two AFC championships. It's it's no surprise, but it's just it's just very Bengals that we saw, you know, Marvin Lewis stay for 16 years without winning a playoff game. It's going to take a lot, I think, for these guys to leave. I just go back to the fact that in the last three seasons, when Joe Burrow starts, Zach Taylor's Bengals are barely over 500, over a three-year span. If you had told me after that second AFC championship game in a row that they weren't going to be in the playoffs for next three years, I know Burrow's injuries are part of it, but not really.

31:07They haven't had a playoff-worthy record when Burrow starts. to me it's just not good enough and they're kind of accepting the middle yeah you know the first

31:17Nick Shook:thing i thought of when they announced this which wasn't surprising a little disheartening if you're a bangles fan is how many years does a super bowl appearance buy you of leeway and in cincinnati it's at least four because that's where they're headed at this point after missing the playoffs for three straight years the problem is that in order for this to make sense you have to at minimum win nine games next year which is where they finished the previous two seasons and missed the playoffs and you got to be in that range no you gotta win i think that's not good enough you should be at like win 10 or 11 but they finish with six wins this year and they lose in week 18 which doesn't matter but they lose in a fashion which as we covered on yesterday's show your coach is saying he's out there fighting for their lives and it just it just feels like i can't take any of this seriously you have a franchise quarterback you dedicated a lot of money to your receivers your defense has been a disaster although it did get better in the second half of this season under a new defensive coordinator but it's like do you just believe that another off season of of talent acquisition and everything is going to make this right because i have seen enough evidence over the last three years that zach taylor can get you to mid and i don't know if he can get you above mid unless everything's working really well for them and i know joe burrow's support of zach taylor is really important.

32:34Well, yeah, Joe Burrow loves Zach Taylor. He lets him do whatever he wants. He kind of runs the offense. And I'm not even saying that that in and of itself is a bad idea, letting Joe Burrow's voice, you know, be the most important, but it's sort of not Zach Taylor's offense. I don't know what the theme of their offseason will be this year. Last year was all about we got to start the season fast. We'll see. Yeah. And it didn't it didn't matter. It's keeping Burrow healthy. There's a chance that Al Golden loses his job. I would be surprised, but their defense really struggled. There were some schematic questions of how they were playing, but more of the same in Cincinnati.

33:12The same is true for the Colts. And we mentioned that on Sunday night's show. We didn't go at length about them keeping Chris Ballard. It's going to be the GM's 10th season. Talk about a guy who I think has done a mid job, to use your word. Like he hasn't been a bad GM. He's somewhere just in the middle. He's had moments that were positive. He's had plenty of moments that were negative. He's just kind of in the middle. You can see some pluses and minuses, but they have had no playoff success whatsoever under Chris Ballard. So that's a long time for a decade, but he's going to be the GM. Shane Steichen is going to be the head coach.

33:48Let's listen to Carly Gordon-Urse in her first press conference after a season as the main owner of the Indianapolis Colts. She shares ownership with her two sisters, but she is the front-facing in the building, making decisions on a very daily basis, owner of the Colts, and she explained the decision on mine.

34:11Nick Shook:To our fans, my sisters and I want to extend our heartfelt gratitude for your loyalty and support, as always, but particularly this season. you're right to be frustrated with how the latter part of our season went i'm pissed we are all pissed i don't know because she was looking up at that point i was like did she write i'm pissed into the written i think so maybe maybe not or maybe she she freestyled there she did say she was pissed later i did watch this because i was curious not a lot of owners go up right after the season. She answered tough questions and she was very careful of what she would say and was kind of asking follow-ups of the reporters to make them clarify.

34:58I liked it all. It made sense. I don't think there was a lot of breaking news from it beyond her just saying that the urgency is even higher this year than it was last year. And the urgency was high because people wanted her to say it was a playoffs or bust. But she basically says, we have to finish the season this time. And a reporter noted that it's the last year of Chris Ballard's contract. And would he get an extension? She said, well, we haven't talked about that yet. So I think she made it very clear that she thought it was a better path to maintain continuity and give this regime one more year together.

35:33And she really wouldn't answer the question directly. But I got the sense that she looked at them as like a package deal, that if they're going to start over, they'll really start over and ultimately I agree with her because I think Steichen is worth keeping and Ballard isn't so offensive to me that you have to get rid of him this year I think going one more year and seeing if they make the playoffs and are a contender is worth a shot okay so first off

35:59Nick Shook:this is the first time in my life and she's older than me but not that much older than me in which I felt connected to an owner like like generationally her just saying I'm pissed we're all pissed. I was like, yes, you're speaking my language and you should be. The other part of this is I totally agree with what you're saying. They are a package deal. They should be together. But I going into this season could not believe that Ballard was still employed just because I felt like he was real close to getting fired each of the last two previous seasons. Now you look at those results from the Colts until they lost Daniel Jones or maybe the two games before they lost Daniel Jones and everything, you know, went off the rails.

36:35Nick Shook:And you can use that as evidence to justify keeping Ballard. I mean, he put together a pretty good team. At one point, we were talking them the most dynamic and perhaps complete offense early in this season. Now, a lot of that had to do with the acquisition of Daniel Jones. It also is them conveniently making people forget that they spent the fourth overall pick on Anthony Richardson because they had Daniel Jones. And they arrive at this crossroads in the offseason because they know they won't be able to have Jones available because of the injury that he suffered. and it makes you think, okay, if you're going to prove that you're worthy of this job, you have to nail whatever you're going to do at quarterback next because that's going to determine whether you're competitive next year.

37:13Nick Shook:And if you don't nail it, you're not going to have to point to any reason because the win-loss record is going to take care of the job for itself. So I'm on board with this. I felt like Steichen did a really good job. Was that almost two or three, two years ago, three years ago at this point, I'm losing track of time in which Gardner Minshew kept the ship afloat and they were competitive throughout the season after losing their starting quarterback early in the year, Anthony Richardson. and I think that he earned the goodwill that he's gotten to this point. Ballard saved their partnership with his performance constructing this roster this year, so they each get one more year, and I hope it works out for them because watching the Colts be a competitive and really explosive team was fun until they weren't an explosive team anymore, and then it was just kind of depressing, so hopefully they get back on track.

37:53Yeah, she kept hitting the point that she thought she saw improvement, that they had specific things they wanted Chris Ballard to work on, and a lot of it bore fruit this year. And this part she wasn't specific about, but they have a really good offensive line where they've actually replenished it with younger players. They have a better defense because of their coordinator. Lou Anarumo is getting a head coaching interview in Tennessee. We're back, baby.

38:20Nick Shook:It's 2022 all over again. There's some promise there, although one of his big signings, and this is obviously not anyone's fault in the organization, Charverius Ward said on Monday that he's considering retirement because of repeated concussions. So wish all the best for him, but that's something to keep an eye on. Sauce Gardner trade, she was asked about, and obviously she okayed that. And she said positive things about what Sauce Gardner could be moving forward. Look, they don't have their first-round pick the next two years, so that might be another reason to keep Ballard anyways and see through his vision.

38:56And basically, it really sounds like both sides want to bring Daniel Jones back. And I don't really know about what Anthony Richardson's future is. I bet he doesn't have one. Speaking of quarterbacks and futures and whether they'll be with their head coach, let's talk Lamar Jackson. Because we did the show immediately after the Tyler Loop missed kick, in which Jordan reminded me that we greeted with total silence for like 15 straight seconds because we're in the room with Patrick and it's just like, oh.

39:29Nick Shook:Oh no. That is empathy. And then it's like, showtime. Great job by Patrick. And then he's back on the air doing Black Monday coverage on NFL Network, you know, eight, 10 hours later in a suit. So what a pro our guy Patrick is. We didn't have any Lamar Jackson sound or any sound after the game. I just thought this question to him about John Harbaugh was interesting. saying it, take a listen. Do you want to see John playing the coach right here? You asked me about next year, Jameson. I'm so caught up in what just happened tonight. I can't focus on that right now. I just told you. He asked me, are you stunned?

40:10Nick Shook:I'm stunned right now. I'm still trying to process what's going on. I know we lost, but you know? That's all. So they asked him about John Harbaugh. That was Jameson Hemsley of ESPN. And I think Lamar answered it in a perfect way. He was very emotional and upset about the loss. But he also had a chance to stand on the table for a coach that he's been with a long time. And he didn't. So I don't think it's crazy for an adult to read into that a little bit. Interesting. I actually, you know, I don't think people consider this when they give a non-answer that you have the opportunity to defend somebody and you don't.

40:47Nick Shook:And that resonates. Like that sends a message. I mean, I understand in that moment why he was emotional. Not answer is an answer. That's why you sometimes ask the questions, you know? Yeah, you're absolutely right. He played his tail off, but you're right. Because if he was fully on board, he would have been like, look, he guided us here. He got us through this fire. And yeah, we came up short, but we love him. And he didn't. So good point. So Baltimore, we don't know what's going to happen. There's been some reporting that coordinator, there could be changes. I think the Harbaugh status is up in the air until totally confirmed otherwise.

41:23Clearly, the odds are that he is going to stay. But they said on the pregame shows, Ian Rappaport on the NFL Network said that they were going to have a conversation after the season. And they haven't had that conversation yet, or they're having it right now, and so we'll see. So in the safe for now category, Baltimore, Tampa looks just safe, safe. It's not like they released a statement, but Todd Bowles did a press conference on Monday. Business as usual. Some teams have let their coaches do press conferences on Monday and made a change. The Bucks pretty famously made a firing, I think, two weeks after the season when John Gruden got fired.

42:03So you never know. But he did his press conference. all the reporting around the jets say that Aaron Glenn is going to be safe. And, uh, Miami still employs Mike McDaniel. They will not be employing to a tongue of Iloa. I don't think, uh, for very long. It was asked by three local reporters, including one from the Miami Herald on Monday about whether he would want a fresh start, uh, next season. And he said a fresh start would be dope. So, uh, one more, one more for Tua, the most honest man in front of a microphone, sometimes to his detriment for the 2025 season. Although this one, I am fine with him just being real with it.

42:47Nick Shook:Yeah, he tagged that with I would be good with it, which like just tells me get me out of here. And I think that's why Mike McDaniel is still employed. I think we know who the Dolphins have chosen in this apparent rift. And it's the coach, not the quarterback. Interesting to see what kind of market develops for him. Tougher to move that contract. Post June 1st trade is a little bit easier. Cutting is almost not really doable unless you want to eat the cap hit like the Broncos did with Russell Wilson. And also, where do you go from there? I mean, Quinn Ewers is not the future. He had a nice game and a half, kind of.

43:18Nick Shook:He also had an ugly game. But that's where the Dolphins are right now. You know what? Honestly, Greg, this is crazy, but we talked about Kyler earlier. I could see a world in which the Dolphins somehow acquire Kyler Murray and pair him with Mike McDaniel and it would be weird and I'm signing up for it because I like weird stuff in football. Why not? Yeah, I could see that. You could see Malik Willis. There's a few quarterbacks that'll shake. I think Aaron Rodgers is going to get a job next year. I think he's going to want to play. That's not really the fit that I would look for. So we'll see. There's a sneaky amount of like one B quarterback options available this offseason.

43:57We'll see if Cliff Kingsbury is available. Diana Rossini of the Athletic indicated maybe like a rift between Kingsbury and the front office of how they were doing things. It just was interesting to hear Jayden Daniels on Monday really go to bat for Cliff Kingsbury, how much Cliff Kingsbury means to him and some other players did as well. So it's gotten to the point where they're responding in public. That's just one situation to watch. Before we wrap up here, Shook, it's time for delivering results presented by Uber eats. When football makes you hungry, order Uber Eats. So Cam Ward, he's our guy for who delivered.

44:35Not the fact that he's coming off of an injury, but that he delivered some good news on Monday, Nick. His shoulder will not require surgery. And ultimately, I think he delivered a really good rookie season, all things considered around him. I don't feel any lower on him after his rookie season than I did before. I think he's going to be fun. And I just want to see what coach he has next to help him in his development.

45:01Nick Shook:Yeah, not necessarily parallel comparisons here between Caleb Williams and Cam Ward, but I could see a similar jump with the right coach in year two. I think it's a pretty good comparison. I mean, there are big differences. There are differences, but I think in terms of the area that they occupied as rookies, it makes some sense to me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's questions to answer there. They obviously don't have as much talent at receiver as the Bears did in Caleb's first and now second year. But I like what they developed with Chimera D.K. and Io Manor. And this group is, they became a fun team to watch, even though they weren't very good down the stretch.

45:37Nick Shook:They weren't this dreadful operation that you dreaded watching every week. They were fun, and a lot of it had to do with Cam Ward. So I think they probably should feel pretty good about what they got out of their first overall pick and continue to trust the process. But they got to nail the coach. They got to nail the coaching hire. And that's the biggest thing on the checklist for them right now to make sure that Cam's development continues. But it's good that he is, you know, taking on a leadership role within this franchise already because he already said weeks ago that he wanted to be involved in the hiring process.

46:05Nick Shook:So that should make it potentially a little bit easier to find the right fit for him. And he will still have to rehab and get that shoulder healthy. But the fact that it won't require surgery means I think it'll be more like weeks into a couple months instead of an entire offseason in terms of his recovery. Hopefully that goes well and he doesn't eventually need the surgery. That was Delivery and Results presented by Uber Eats. When football makes you hungry, get game day deals on Uber Eats, the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now. Speaking of the Titans, just a few quick interview updates on their list.

46:46According to various reports, Lou Anarumo, the Colts defensive coordinator, the Broncos defensive coordinator, Vance Joseph, both chiefs coordinators, Matt Nagy, who's a coaching free agent. His contract is up. And defensive coordinator, Steve Spagnolo. An item that occurred in the last handful of days that we haven't mentioned on the show is that the Titans elevated their GM, Mike Borgonzi, within the organization and essentially demoted this other guy, Chad Brinker, which we have talked about on the show a few times. It was a little nebulous what he did, sort of like president football operations.

47:28But it's just funny because literally the Titans have changed their power structure every offseason, sometimes twice a year for about five years straight. So new guys in charge. And as it pertains to this head coaching search, the new guys from Kansas City. I mean, he's been there in the building for a year, but he comes from the Chiefs. So if they hire Matt Nagy or Steve Spagnuolo, which I would more support, it's hard to get too excited about Matt Nagy.

47:57Nick Shook:I mean, I don't know, man. I feel like Spags is a great coordinator, hasn't been a head coach in a long time, but both are retreads, right? So it's like, how excited can you get about a retread? Am I just jaded? Some retreads work. You know, our buddy, Ollie Connolly, he thinks retreads are a little underrated and historically retreads sometimes do work, but you just, you got to pick the right one. Like Spagnuolo seems like he'd have a chance. You know, he knows a lot of people in the league. He's still a good, you know, scheme coach, which I love. I love a coach that can give you a schematic advantage.

48:31I've listened to Chris Long's podcast who played under him in St. Louis. No one was winning in that situation and they all played well for him and they liked him. That was one of the worst run organizations you could possibly have. So, I don't know. I'd be open to Steve Spagnuolo. Give Spagnuolo.

48:48Nick Shook:Belichick was a retread. Pete Carroll was technically a retread with a stint in college. I mean, we've had a number of successful retreads. You're right. And in a coaching market like this, in which there is no ascending young coordinator that is a slam dunk, like a Ben Johnson, for example, or even a Liam Cohen, who exceeded my expectations, maybe the retread is the perfect time for one. We'll see. We'll see. six openings now in terms of the head coaching in terms of the GM I think there's only two is that right because the Giants are keeping Joe Shane they officially announced that I don't know if they've released the statement on it before but it's kind of funny that at the end of every season they have to make a statement that Joe Shane still has his job like that's not a great side it's like oh it's just i just use the one from last year you know just just say it's really important it's got to be in your email history somewhere just pull it back out and change the dates yeah i mean look with this there's two schools of thought here which is he's probably overstayed his welcome and and if you want to make a change for a change's sake then it includes him but also like you want to find wins and you believe in jackson dart and this past draft and the defense that I think he's constructed fairly well and an offense that showed some potential, then yeah, you keep him.

50:13Nick Shook:I don't know. It feels like we're going to do this again next year. It does. But it is the offseason of keep the GM, fire the coach. That's definitely been determined. It sets up a very similar scenario, and this is true of the Browns too, to what just happened with Atlanta with Terry Fon. I think Raheem Morris paid for the sins of Terry Fon. Yep. Because I think Raheem Morris would have been given at least one more year, get to year three. The first two years weren't that bad. But because the GM was on his fifth year and had a terrible record, then basically the coach gets thrown out with him.

50:49So whoever this next Giants coach is, is going to be on a short leash or Shane will be on a short leash. He's 22, 45 and one Shane since taking over. That's pretty bad. And that includes the first year where he inherited most of the best players from Dave Gettleman. in the last three years, he's 13 and 38. I mean, you're entering year five and you're coming off two seasons like the ones they had. Those types of guys don't usually get to keep having chances, but they do have a good nucleus. I do think this is kind of the sneaky best job if it wasn't for Joe Shane, because I do like Abdel Carter and Jackson Dart and Andrew Thomas and Malik Nabors.

51:27There are players here.

51:28Nick Shook:This is where I would like to see Kevin's fancy land a head coaching job. I think it makes the most sense. I would love to see what he could do with Jackson Dart. I think there are elements of Baker Mayfield to Jackson Dart that worked for Stefanski in Cleveland that could work in New York. And he has plenty of head coaching experience, so he's probably been seasoned enough to be able to deal with the pressure that comes with coaching in New York because he's already robotic, so he's not going to feed into the drama that is pervasive within New York football franchises. So I think that would be the best fit.

51:55Nick Shook:But how does he work with Joe Shane? We'll see. And Shane really emphasized in his press conference today leadership we need leadership more than anything and it's like i don't know is he talking about stefanski is he talking about harbaugh if if harbaugh ever shook loose i think i think they would love a coach like that or a mike tomlin but i don't think is leadership like code for experience like guys that have won somewhere else yeah i i think so that that was how i took it and And man, no media group hates a GM more than the Giants media group hates. Man, the questions for him were brutal.

52:36They're like, why are you so bad at your job? That wasn't really the question, but essentially the subtext of every single question. Final items and we'll say goodbye. The Rams expect Quinton Lake and Devontae Adams back this week. Good news for them. The 49ers are going to be without Tatum Bethune, their linebacker, for the rest of the postseason. That's a big loss for them at a banged up position. They're not sure about their other usual starter, D. Winters, either. So they're banged up right now. And the Dolphins GM interviews, I thought I'd just throw some of the names out there. The Eagles assistant, Alec Halaby, who we're a fan of here.

53:14Rams assistant GM John McKay, I think is going to be an interesting name to track. Another McKay out there, Rich McKay, who's long been in charge of the Falcons in some form or another and actually got moved to a different part of the Arthur Blank empire. He wasn't fired, but he kind of was moved off the Falcons. That was part of the changes in Atlanta. He was one of them. But the overarching takeaway from these interviews was just that three of the six were from San Francisco where they worked with Mike McDaniel. So I don't know if you want to connect the dots.

53:51Nick Shook:I think you're properly reading the tea leaves, Greg. I believe we have a course that the Dolphins are going to follow in the coming weeks and months. Not a crazy one. I don't mind seeing Mike McTain to get another shot. He does what I say I like the best, which is provide a schematic advantage, except for when they're in third or fourth and short. In which, according to, I think it was Chase Kaufman, and I hope I'm getting the right account, had some numbers on Blue Sky that they are the worst team in the NFL on a third and short and fourth and short situation since McDaniel got there. It is really noticeable when you watch them week after week.

54:29But man.

54:30Nick Shook:I mean, when you're a team that plays a lot of perimeter-based offense, that can be an issue, short yardage. Yeah, Tyreek Hill had some ideas for that. He was like, stop running A-Chan. Yeah, A-Chan's not the problem, Tyreek. All right, we have a lot to go through in the offseason. We're just getting started. If there's any other coaching firings or news, we will hit that on Tuesday. Chris, let's hit the music. Are we going to keep this under 50 minutes? I said we'd be around 40. We did okay. We're going to be back on Tuesday. Colleen Wolfe and Jordan Rodrigue and I finally reading those holiday cards that you guys sent us.

55:04We're also going to pick our award winners and any other extra news that happens. Look for us in the feed. See you then.

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