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22:28Let's talk a little trade deadline. We had a trade today. Should we lead with that trade? It's a minor trade today, but it does matter. Let's actually do our segment that it's time for Who Delivered, presented by Uber Eats. And you know who delivered? Nick Shook, Howie freaking Roseman. When I wake up the day before the trade deadline, here's what I want at six in the morning because I'm waking up early. I want Jalen Phillips to the Eagles for a third round pick before I even get my coffee. Great trade by the Eagles. Not only did they get Jalen Phillips, a good young pass rusher for a third round pick, but the Miami Dolphins are going to pay a good amount of the remaining salary he has, which is$6 million, so that they could get that third round pick.

23:14What do you think about what the Eagles did with that trade for Jalen Phillips? You know, I think that one of the topics that has flown under the radar with the Eagles this season,

23:25Nick Shook:yes, you know, they're doing well overall. And we focus so much on the drama with the passing game and everything else. But I think it's been the changes on defense, the departures that they had in the offseason and the relative no-name guys that we've expected to, you know, fill in. And I think they've started to come together in recent weeks. You know, Jalex Hunt makes a play here and there. Mauro Ojoma makes a play here and there. But ultimately, it lacks the splash, the pizzazz, the Josh Sweats, the Hassan Reddicks of years past. We're not going to go with the Bryce off because that didn't work.

23:55Nick Shook:But ultimately, like, they needed a guy like this. They needed a difference maker. If I had to pick a team that was in the market for an edge rusher, it was probably them because they lack that type of splash player, and they get it now with Jalen Phillips. So I think it's a fantastic move for them. It really fills out their front seven a lot better as long as he can stay healthy. That's always been the big question mark with him, especially over the last two years is he's at injury after injury, but it felt like we know how the dolphin season is going kind of a wasted season for him, especially coming back from an injury last year.

24:26Nick Shook:This is the perfect pairing. This is gives him an opportunity to pursue success on the field with a new team. It gives the Eagles another force on the edge that they desperately needed. And it also, the dolphins get a little bit back, you know, after firing Chris Greer, that this is one of those big moves that we thought might come, and it comes for them. Yeah, it did. And we'll get into what that could mean for the rest of the Dolphins season in a second, but I do want to just stick with Howie Roseman. Think about what they've done in aggregate. So over the last week, they've traded for Michael Carter.

24:57He's like a serviceable cornerback from the Jets. They traded for Jair Alexander, bit of a dart throw to see if he can help out their team. And heck, I guess he's going to make their team, but like, is he going to be on the field? And if so, like is Dory Jackson or Keely Ringo getting traded over the next 24 hours?

25:16Nick Shook:I mean, I don't know about getting traded, but neither of them have proven that they deserve a place in the field. I don't know if there's enough spots on the roster. I guess they could go to the practice squad if no one else picks them up. But in aggregate, look, they are aggressively trying to improve two positions. Their pass rush just has not been the same, but they're adding Brandon Graham, don't forget, too. And Jalen Phillips hasn't been great this year. But his pressure rate is actually quite high. Like he doesn't look as good as he looked pre-surgeries, but he's a young player on his fifth year option coming off an ACL and then an Achilles.

25:50And I think it could be more than a rental. I could see them potentially working out a deal with Jalen Phillips where he gets a two-year contract at the end of this deal. Or he's in the building, he likes what they're doing, and they give him a really good one-year contract just to push the decision out a little bit more, like a bet on yourself, one for 17 type of deal. And they'll have that information. And if he does leave and they want to play the compensatory pick game, and that'll be up to them and their signings and everything, like that's a good move too. So I just think it's a position of real weakness for them on the edge.

26:28You mentioned they just haven't been the same. And yeah, appreciate Bona Artis here who said like and subscribe. Appreciate you. Smash that like button, yo. We don't ask to do that. We got a lot of people watching now. If you're watching, yeah, give us the like. Give us the subscribe. We appreciate you. Man, this Dolphins season, though, Nick, when they fired Chris Greer, we haven't really talked about this on the podcast, it made me think, okay, maybe Chris Greer didn't want to make the types of moves that the ownership wanted to make before the trade deadline. And now they're going to make those moves with interim GM Champ Bailey.

27:08Nick Shook:Yeah, I think that was what was telegraphed to most of us because we had heard prior that they had received calls and had turned down calls on a number of players. And Phillips was one of them. I also consider the tenure of Chris Greer. He had been in that position for nearly a decade. He took that job in 2016. He hired Adam Gase. He hired Brian Flores. He hired Mike McDaniel. of course he's going to feel an attachment to the roster that was there because he constructed it and probably believed that it could still produce a winner so he's going to have a tough time parting with anybody and it also felt like the right time to make a change for a team that is headed nowhere as it currently stands what it did in my mind was open the phone lines back up jaylen waddle you're interested make a call i i even thought about you know who did who's jerry jones got a trade you know in the bag for i was like a shot in the dark bradley chubb like i I don't know, like just continue to go down the list of dolphins that are out there.

28:03Nick Shook:Right. Like, so, you know, you go with Phillips as well. He's on the move. It seems like the right thing for this franchise at this time, as unfortunate as a fire sale can be. If you're a fan of that team, it feels like that's what the dolphins probably need to do. Yeah. So we got a question. Where's the Brees Hall or Jalen Waddell trade? Look, the majority of trades happen in the last 30 hours or so before the trade deadline. Now people get so excited about it. it ends up being eight or nine or 10 trades total. We've already had a lot of trades just in this season leading up to it. I'm not counting that towards the total, but that's going to diminish.

28:41In the end, it's never as much as you think. But Brees Hall does make a lot of sense to me. We're going to go through some players to keep an eye on. But yeah, Waddle and Chubb, Bradley Chubb specifically on the Dolphins would make sense. And I think it was telling that we saw from Ian Rappaport, our guy at NFL Network, that they would listen to offers for a big-time price. And I don't think you're trading Jalen Waddell for less than a first. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to trade Jalen Waddell. You need to have good young players if you're trying to get better. But we have a question.

29:15Who would be the most likely buyers for Jalen Waddell? It's a team that would be willing to make a huge spielder huge splash um but i have one but i don't think it's gonna happen because they're in the same

29:32Nick Shook:division it's the buffalo bills but yeah the bills could absolutely use him and i think miami if they honor mike tomlin's principles would not trade him within the afc east um it's a really attractive trade beyond just this year he's under team control through 2028 he's got a cap number of only 11 million next year so this is perfect for a contender who doesn't have a lot of cap space who needs to make a big swing maybe a little desperate maybe feels like their title window is closing and that is the bills but they're in the same division which is why i don't think it happens right they're like every team that i looked for for wide receivers in general there was a reason that it didn't make sense like seattle i could see trading for a receiver although tory horton looked pretty darn good on sunday night but they're they're about to pay jsn like they don't need two guys at that level philadelphia is always going to be in the mix for great players would be hilarious because there was a big waddle or davante smith debate back in the day why you know why not have both you get aj brown involved in the trade get him out of there no i don't that's uh fantasy football at this point i'm fully expecting aj brown to to stay on that team the other team that that came to mind was the patriots who i think would invest in a big time receiver but again in the division hard to imagine that happening before we move on from the dolphins So I do want to throw to some sound we have of Mike McDaniel talking about Tua Tungavailoa and his status as the team's starting quarterback this week.

30:59Nick Shook:We play the players that give us the best chance to win. And when that changes or if that changes or if somebody else gives us a better shot, then we adjust there. So that is Mike McDaniel kind of telegraphing that to us, Mike, the hot seat a little bit. Thanks. Appreciate it, Mike. Like, that was a non-answer, and it was also an answer at the same time. Thanks. We appreciate it, Mike. What are they going to do? Is benching 2-0 really going to improve your chances? I don't think so, personally. No, but it just creates a fracture. It creates just even more obvious schism that I've been picking up on.

31:37And look, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to pick up on this. like some of the some of the insiders who seem to be pushing the mike mcdaniel agenda and blaming everything on tua and last year at the end of the year it seemed to be a little bit like a cold war or some disagreement between the two it's just interesting and and our guy ian put it out there that yeah like if he doesn't play well we could see quinn ewers or zach wilson before the end of the season wow just a dark that is a dark future uh because they i think they are just in a fire sale mode now that's that's what the chris greer firing says and uh we'll move on from the dolphins but i do just want to say chris greer firing him was the most overdue sea change for an organization that has been stuck in one mind like one mindset of thinking for almost two and a half decades Chris Greer has been there since his father, Bobby Greer, was still in the NFL helping to run the Patriots with Pete Carroll.

32:44Chris Greer is part of the Parcells tree, essentially. And so it's a connection. And I know Parcells wasn't there when Greer first got there. But from Parcells when he was running the team to Jeff Ireland, Greer was there around them, to Mike Tannenbaum. And Greer was there with him then and eventually. So it's been this, Stephen Ross was always obsessed with Parcells as like a New York guy, because that's where Ross, like, it's been like this Parcells tree for 20 years. They just need someone that thinks different. So just get a new guy in there. Let's do some quick NFL news before we talk the trade stuff.

33:22I did just want to circle back that Jaden Daniels could potentially return this season, according to Ian Rappaport. It wasn't quite as severe as they first believed a dislocated elbow, but he will be out for a significant amount of time. And you have to wonder, depending on where the commanders are, when they do, when he is ready to play again, whether it will be worth it. So we'll see if he ends up playing again this year. It won't be easier for them because they don't have Marshawn Lattimore for the rest of the year, a torn ACL. And Luke McCaffrey has a broken collarbone. It is just brutal. So Dan Quinn spoke on Monday about something we talked about on Sunday night show, Nick, about why was Jaden Daniels still in that game?

34:03I know many of you have been asking about the thought process of Jaden being in the game in that situation. I get that. I've been thinking about it, honestly, nonstop, too. And, you know, for me, the answer is, man, I missed it. Interesting. You don't normally hear a coach say that the next day. I'm surprised. What do you think?

34:26Nick Shook:I mean, I tried to give him a little bit of grace last night when we talked about it and saying like, oh, well, maybe he wanted to see what they could build, you know, for the next week. But you're right. Like, it's not often that a coach, you know, takes accountability and full ownership for something like that. But I think in the aftermath of such a what was perceived to be such a significant injury and also just the worst possible outcome for a team that has already just been. Well, not the worst possible, but one of the worst possible outcomes for a team that has been ravaged by injury. What else can he do there other than admit that?

34:57Nick Shook:Yeah, I probably should have taken him out. That's on me. Good on him. You know, good on Dan. He's a veteran at the coaching ranks. He's he's seen the mountaintop. He's seen, you know, the opposite. And right now he's somewhere stuck in between. Yeah, it might be. He's very emotionally intelligent, I think. And it just might be something where, look, he's talked with his bosses and ownership and maybe knows how they feel. He's obviously concerned for the young man who is the most important guy in the entire franchise, Jaden Daniels, and wants to do everything possible to support him and wants to take accountability and show like, even though Jaden Daniels would probably disagree because he's a competitor.

35:38And that's why he was trying to get that touchdown. Like he wants to be out there. I think that's good on Dan Quinn for kind of being man enough to admit that in that moment. And it's going to be tough for him managing the next few weeks and really the rest of this season after such a great first season. Just some quickie news items before we get back to the trades. Dayo Odengbo is out for the season. Pass rusher for the Bears that got a ton of money was starting. Your boy Kevin Stefanski gave up play calling now to Tommy Reese, which is surprising. He's always been a good play caller, so I don't know about that.

36:11Josh Simmons is back with the Chiefs, their rookie tackle. And the serious injuries that we thought happened on Sunday were all confirmed. Tucker Craft of the Packers, Michael Williams of the 49ers, and Michael Hoyt of the Bills all going to be out for the season. So really disappointing. Let's get back to the trade talk. Okay, we'll wrap up the show here. I look at Waddle as a potential guy. I think Brees Hall is more likely. The thing with the Jets, though, is they they could just decide to franchise tag him next year. And so when I look at the rest of the list of possible guys, it's a lot of guys like one that was traded on Monday.

36:52And that was Draymond Jones. It's going to be guys traded for fifth round picks that can be upgraded to a fourth. And that's what Draymond Jones was for the Ravens. Fills a totally important need for them. They just need another body as a pass rusher. He'd been playing well for the Titans. He's a big guy, kind of fits that scheme. That's probably the level of trades that we'll see on Tuesday if we see any. It's probably not going to be like a lot of Trey Hendrickson and Jalen Waddle, but we can hope for that.

37:21Nick Shook:Yeah, of course, because that makes the headline. Draymond Jones has a sack in each of his last four games. Had a season-high one-and-a-half sacks in the loss to the Chargers. had like a stretch of two plays in a row where he just like destroyed their offensive line and blew up a chargers drive playing really well uh you know he's been in multiple stops in his career he spent some time in seattle you know was in tennessee for half of the season and it's the type of trade that is a little bit lower on the prestige scale for the ravens than we typically see because like this is a team that in the off season will go get a deandre hopkins or they'll go get a veteran who wants to latch on to chase a ring uh but i think it's very important because like you said, they need bodies.

37:56Nick Shook:They've suffered a lot of injuries up front. They have looked better defensively recently, but I think that they're going to need those types of reinforcements down the road. Now I'm thinking again about lower level trade guys, and I'm going to keep it in the division real quick here, Greg. What do we think? The Bengals, the worst defense in the NFL, a team that just crumbled in heartbreaking fashion so much that they had offensive players criticizing them in the postgame, you know, sound in the locker room. Logan Wilson has fallen out of the lineup there. They are clearly going younger. What does he fetch?

38:30Nick Shook:Does anybody want to make a call on him? I think he could go to the Colts specifically for a sixth or seventh round pick swap. I mean, to me, he has no value, essentially. I mean, if Keon White can only get that and Kyle Duggar, that's the most that they should get for Logan Wilson. And it's just someone to pay that salary. The crazy thing is the Bengals are so like anti making these sort of moves in the season. Even if it makes sense for them, it might not even happen. But yeah, there's a couple linebackers available, him and Pete Werner. I have heard our friend Adam on the Saints Block Party podcast mentioned that, you know, some teams have been calling about Pete Werner.

39:16But, you know, maybe it's a question of like Mickey Loomis is doesn't even want to necessarily trade the guys he has because he overvalues them and he wants a higher pick than you would expect. But I do think the Saints, more than just about any team, would make sense to make some trades, whether it was Alante Taylor, a pretty talented cornerback in the last year of his contract. That would make some sense. Rasheed Shahid, you'd actually get something good for Rasheed Shahid. I don't know if the Saints should be trading a guy like him, but he would make some sense. I can't see them trading Cam Jordan.

39:50It just doesn't make sense after all the time that he's been there. But Pete Werner is a guy I could see. Juwan Johnson, would a team want him? I don't think so with his contract.

40:01Nick Shook:Yeah, I mean, a lot of these guys feel like Saints-specific fits. I think I've always undervalued Pete Werner from when he was at Ohio State into his NFL career. but he feels very much like a guy who thrives in new orleans and really thrived in dennis allen's scheme more than he does now um so i i don't know if the interest is going to be worth like the return is going to be worth moving him and i think you're right about like do you want to trade some of the guys that you have already when you're still trying to turn this thing around i do wonder could shaheed be a good fit for the bills as a field stretcher because he kind of almost falls the same profile as like who they who they have in that roster like that that could be a trade i could see being made oh that is a good one i mean i think rashid jahid is underrated undervalued he's gotten better i was gonna compare him to alec pierce alec pierce is getting so good right now that i think that's actually under doing what alec pierce is doing in a free agency year.

41:06We're doing some awards tomorrow. And I was thinking of doing like a, what contract your guy has made himself the most money award. And man, Alec Pierce is up there. That's a long way of saying. I still think Rashid Shahid in a Marquez Valdez-Scantlin plus, plus, plus, plus role is really valuable. In a Christian Watson plus role even. Okay. I got there. That's better. He could help a lot of teams out there. Um, the other news I didn't mention, and I want to mention in context of the possible trades is Joe all is going to miss the rest of the season. Now, devastating news. Their team was so different when he was on the field to when he wasn't.

41:52It's just, you just don't see that too often unless the guy is like a star quarterback or Micah Parsons. That's how important Joe was. It really bums me out. It makes me just lower their ceiling. I think they could maybe make the playoffs because Herbert's playing so well. They're well-coached. There's a lot of talented people on the team. But if they had all, I don't know. Could they have won that division? Could they have made a longer playoff run, won some playoff games in a pretty wide-open AFC? I wasn't counting that out. I kind of counted out with Joe Alt. Is there any possible tackle trade they could possibly make?

42:34I don't know what that would be. That is tough to do, but it did make me think because of the timing, could the Chargers make a trade like that?

42:41Nick Shook:Yeah, yeah. After getting this news today, I ran back that game, and I keyed in on alt just because I wanted to see. How different was it? And it was remarkably different. First off, he's a great one-on-one blocker, and he's so stout. But it's also his ability to pick up stunts, pick up different things that the defense is doing, and just being a reliable, solid blindside blocker. And as soon as he was gone, it was immediately magnified. I think that there was a sack on the very next play when Saly replaced him. They gave up a season-high six sacks in this game. They're already dealing with multiple losses at tackle because they lost Rashawn Slater to start the year.

43:21Nick Shook:Alt had to kick over from right to left side. They lost Bobby Hart in that game. They had to go back to Trey Pipkins. They are at the bottom of the depth chart at the position. And so when this news dropped today and I was writing it up, I was thinking, God, who could they trade for? An offensive line is not like receiver. It's not like cornerback. Once you get past the starters, the quality drops off. Like the Browns made a move for Cam Robinson and he has not been very good for them when he's been on the field. And that was a guy who I considered well. You know what would be funny is if the Chargers traded for Cam Robinson.

43:53Nick Shook:I mean, you're going to have to pay for more than the Browns paid for him, but I could see that happening. There's just not a lot of options out there. It could be his fourth team in two years and it's the third time. He's a midseason mercenary, Cam Robinson. Some comments here. We'll roll through them. Greg has kind eyes, to be honest. Thank you very much. What does that mean? Does that mean that you have a warm heart? I don't know. I think they just might be allergies. Another comment that they like NFL Daily from around the NFL days. Yeah, we appreciate everyone who's been with us throughout.

44:28It's different. It was really great meeting so many people in Ireland and in the UK, especially, that were talking about their relationship with around the NFL and that they love NFL Daily now. And Jordan and Shook and Patrick, and they love Heed the Call. And it's really cool that everyone's been with us on that journey. And let's actually get a question for Shook here, one that I would like to get answered. What is Shooki's squat PR?

44:53Nick Shook:It was like low 400s in my peak. I have not squatted consistently for the last five years because I had a back injury that makes loading the spine real rough on me. But at my peak, it was probably about 405. Time comes for everyone. Yeah. That's true, especially of offensive linemen. How about that transition? Just a couple other names I'm going to throw out there. Do the Browns have any offensive linemen available? Does Joel Batonio? He probably wouldn't even want to move. but would Joel Batonio or Ethan Pochick or Wyatt Teller, could they ever be available? How about Kevin Zeitler, former Brown, now on the Titans?

45:31Yeah. There could be moves in terms of interior offensive linemen. I think that would make a lot of sense. Oh, you know what? I have an idea. Who are the teams that wouldn't need that? You know what I mean? Like the Chargers, the Chiefs. Everyone could use an interior offensive lineman.

45:50Nick Shook:I think that the Brown succession plan at right guard is going to be Zach Zinter replacing Joel Batonio when Joel decides to retire. I don't think he's available. I don't think Wyatt Teller's available. Post it, maybe. I don't know. But I also wonder, could Zinter be available? Could they move him if they get the right price? I don't know. Sure. Njoku would make sense maybe for a team that's looking for another tight end. We're seeing all these two tight end sets. It's really going crazy. I noticed it tonight with the Cardinals using their six offensive linemen. The league has gotten pretty wild with it lately, where even teams that weren't doing it the first half of the season are suddenly overdosing in six offensive linemen.

46:32And I was thinking about it, and I was like, did Alec Anderson on the Bills kind of change the shape of the NFL this year? Because we would talk about it. Olly Connolly talked about a lot like that six offensive lineman look for the bills last year was like the most efficient play in football in this year. They don't even use it because they just have a tight end to be that six offensive offensive lineman. It's Spencer Haas, but you see so many teams doing it and throwing out of it. And it's been really effective for a lot of teams out there. So Dan Skipper, you know, I'm not saying Alec Anderson's the first ever sixth offensive lineman.

47:11It's been happening throughout the course of NFL history, but particularly last year, the Bills got tons of explosive plays in it so we're seeing yeah what's cool too is it's beyond

47:21Nick Shook:like you usually would see on the goal line like for example the Browns used defensive tackle Aiden Huntington two lane guy roll wave uh and in goal line situations they would use a guard you know in the past I think Nick Harris a backup center they would use as like a sixth lineman or as a blocking fullback but now it's being deployed all over the field which is just an example of how we could say the NFL is a pass first league but it can also evolve in a number of different ways as the minds continue to get more and more involved in pushing the game forward. And it's fun to watch. Yeah, they had Beachum in motion tonight on one running play.

47:55That's like a 300. That's a Trent Williams special right there.

47:57Nick Shook:That's a Kyle Shanahan move. 320 pound guy. And for the most part, these teams are really doing it to set up some explosive pass plays to the tight ends. We'll see what happens in terms of the trade market. Maybe the Bills get a pass rusher or a cornerback. I could see that potentially happening. I think the Patriots are very thin at a lot of defensive positions. I could see them just going for like a depth piece. And then I really think the Chiefs should go get Briecel. To me, that's the Chiefs trade. That's such a Chiefs trade. They would be so freaking fast. They need a running back. They're running backs.

48:37It's not good. I mean, they're making it work, but it would be so much better with a better back. It shouldn't be that hard to find a good back. Breece Hall to the Chiefs for a third. Who says no?

48:47Nick Shook:I'm on board. Do it, Chiefs. Why not? You're chasing a title. That's a title chasing move right there. We're always chasing titles. We're trying to be the best NFL daily we can be. And we appreciate everyone that is listening. We also appreciate Howie Roseman. If you remember, a while ago, he was the guy who delivered, which was presented by Uber Eats. And it's just a reminder that who delivered by, presented by Uber Eats, when football makes you hungry, you get game day deals on Uber Eats. It's the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL. I know it's late on the East Coast, but you can order now.

49:26It's open all night and who knows, you might be elsewhere listening. Shook, we'll see you on Thursday night. I hope you have a great week and we'll talk a little Raiders Broncos then and we'll spice up that show and make it even more interesting. We do have a bunch of shows this week and some extra shows. We're going to do a trade deadline recap and we're going to put that up as soon as we can after the trade deadline and we're also doing an extra award show talking MVP but also giving out some of our own awards. So stay tuned in the feed. Big week. I also getting back together with Daniel Jeremiah a little later in the week.

50:02It's going to be a lot of fun. Keep it locked. on NFL Daily. We will see you on the other side of the trade deadline. Yeah, trade deadline Eve. Get some sleep.

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