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28:07Back on NFL Daily. the music very appropriate here. Before we get to Would You Rather, I did want to update you guys on something before. Greg demeaned and diminished the trade for Irv Charles. Irv Charles, his freshman year at Penn State, averaged 53 yards per reception. Whoa! That was two catches. We got to get Irv Charles the ball more. 6 '3", 223. So that's 106 yards. I want to find out how that was broken down. Yeah. 85 and 21. That would be my guess. Probably. Something like that. The fourth. PFF had him as a Pro Bowl special teams level player in 2024 for that injury. I'll block that guy.

28:55It's would you rather time. Patrick and myself will pose questions to each other. and we might take some questions that were created back there by Chris Pabona and Eric Roberts that we both answer. Very simple. Would you rather? Eric killed it on this music. Either or. It's like a true crime documentary where people profit off of somebody else's grisly murder. It's like, yeah. I'm reading a great true crime book right now, London Falling by Patrick Radden Keefe. This would be an appropriate background music for a lot of what I'm learning. recommended all right all right i'm gonna start with let's start with patrick we need him to carry this thing no wait you don't that's false by the way um but okay let's do this greg rosenthal okay would you rather yeah drake may a successful career as the starting quarterback of the new england patriots starts until the year 2040 in the year 2037 they win the super bowl shattering a lot of doubters.

30:00Yes. Or. That's it. They battle out May's next deal after some C.J. Stroud-esque down years leading to May departing and winning two Super Bowls for the Detroit Lions in the 2030s. The Patriots cobbled together a pair with journeyman starting quarterbacks, one in 2032 and another in 2040. Oh. That first journeyman quarterback is none other than Jacksonville, Florida's McCorkle jump. Oh, my God. That was a journey. just thought I was taking the first one to thought I'm then taking the second one is the amount of Super Bowls that your team wins ultimately more important than than who is one with baby you get one with Matt Jones Drake famously the only thing that matters gets to be your quarterback until 2040 or he's discarded in search of one well I'm a big fan of McCorkle and as a man as a NFL daily guest and as a quarterback.

30:56And yet, I like the journey. And you're telling me he's going to get that Super Bowl eventually? I like the relationships that we form parasocially with the players we root for. And so I want the long May. And now this might be, you know, as our friend Dan Hanses would have said, me talking about the throne of ease. You know? I've seen the Patriots win a lot of Super Bowls. So the whole like two versus one, I'm getting two with Mac and one with me feels like a little less of a big deal. Yeah, I want me. I just want to watch him play football. I'm going to watch him play football no matter who he's on.

31:36I mean, he does get two with the Lions. That is tough. Yeah. Shoot. Wait a second. I didn't really think about the Lions angle. That is specifically the Lions. That's why I made it very convoluted. I might be switching. because what this does is guarantee the Lions two Super Bowls specifically. The Lions get two Super Bowls. Drake May gets two Super Bowls and the Patriots get one. But. Well, they get two. Yeah, you don't. They get two. They get two Super Bowls, but you don't get a Drake May Super Bowl with the Patriots. OK, I'm switching it just because I'm such a good guy. And out of the goodness of my heart, I think Kevin Patrick and all the Lions fans deserve that.

32:17I'm still getting what I want for the most part. I made it too sweet. Since I have a similar-ish question, this is just more testing how aligned you are with the Ravens. Would you rather a Ravens Super Bowl win or a youth league title? Pick a kid, like this year. I'm talking about this year. Pick a kid? Yeah, either kid. I don't want to name them necessarily. But they each could be like, you know, it could be the basketball title. I don't know what sports they're playing soccer or I'll throw this one in another LeBron's LeBron James title. And to be clear, this is not your youth league. Now you are coaching, though, right now, right?

33:03Not actively this, but you were coaching. Yeah, but I was coaching. OK, and so Malcolm's team, would you rather like a Malcolm Youth League title in that league or Raven Super Bowl or LeBron? I'll throw LeBron in there. Honestly, because the team that won the title, they beat us in the championship game this year. Some methods I don't necessarily align with. Some attitudes I don't necessarily align with. My team had fun. They loved the game of basketball. They grew and learned together with each other. And I would not trade that for a ring. Okay. I would trade it. Because, again, a lot of the affinity for the Baltimore Ravens is specifically based on.

33:49But it's this year. I'm counting Lamar. Lamar is. Yeah. And being right, which is a big thing for me. Oh, OK. So, yeah, I would take the Baltimore Ravens. I think that makes sense. Honestly, youth league titles. The kids are fine. The kids are happy either way. It's an eight year old team. Right. When they get older, it gets to be a little bit of a bigger deal. but they're kids. They're resilient. They win some, they lose some. I was so much more crushed when the basketball team I coached once lost so badly in the championship that they had to do the thing where you couldn't guard them anymore outside of 15 feet.

34:27They just had to let them shoot because we were losing like 40 to nine. And I thought they would be crushed. They were fine. They didn't care. You know. Yeah. Youth League is like they cared but not really. Youth League is like those early relationships. if it doesn't work out that's a part of the learning process you get the one that you really want and you focus on it you probably get one eventually in some sport anyways I'll give you another question host or analyst would you rather host the show or be in the spot that I guess you're in here NFL Daily

35:03caveat I enjoy being employed and able to support my family in Los Angeles, California Whatever it takes. Both is the best. The pay of the bills. But I do enjoy getting to answer things. Oh, okay. As opposed to asking them. Okay. Because I'm verbose. I don't like to talk. Same, bro. Same, bro. Not compared to the rest of NFL Daily. But not on this show. When it comes to TV, there's some times where it's like, oh, NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport joining us now to tell us more about this circumstance. Ian, we just found out about this. Tell us more. I know all the things that Ian's about to say.

35:47I could just say that. But there's the like here, let's do this presentation in a format that pays the bills. So we do it. You could also do that, but in this format I want you to start hosting NFL Daily when I'm not here and then maybe you could play in my style, which is a little more like Jalen Brunson playing point guards. Like, yeah, I guess he's the point guard, but he's going to get his shots up. Yeah. That's for sure. Do what you put on this earth to do. Absolutely. What a comp I'm giving myself. The edits have been great on Brunson, by the way. He really is incredible. They might just do it.

36:26All right, you're next. Give me a one. Would you rather, Greg? Two unbeaten teams, no common schedules. One in the AFC, for example, the Cincinnati Bengals don't play the Dallas Cowboys. The AFC and the NFC make their respective championship games. Okay. As undefeated teams and both lose. Okay. Or. Two undefeated teams lose in the championship game. In the AFC and NFC championship game. It's very disappointing we missed the game of the millennium. Or Riley Leonard goes on what can only be described as a Linsanity run. It's dimes 2.0 at the start of the season, except full Balco Labs. He has four games over the course of the season with a perfect passer rating, maybe threatening the league's first ever 6 ,000-yard passing season.

37:13But prior to the team's Week 17 game in Cleveland, a 100-year storm coming off of Lake Erie renders football impossible, not just to see but to play. The game ends in a 0-0 tie in overtime, and Leonard finishes with negative 26 passing yards that ultimately leave him to finish the season 5 ,450 passing yards, 27 short of Peyton Manning's single season record. Would you rather have an all-time team matchup ruined or an all-time single season record be ruined by weather? Riley Leonard, for sure. I mean, all of that is delightful. And I don't know the young man, but that story is so good all the way through that he'll live.

37:56He'll be remembered more for not getting that record and having it taken away by the 100-year storm. And that game, as a viewer, I know you say you're not a big fan of weather games. It would be miserable, Greg. I think there is a moment where the weather gets so bad that it's entertaining and something you remember. What do you mean? You would be barely able to see the game. It's 0-0. Well, first of all, this is a regular season game. He played so well in his Linsanity run. I assume he's going to the playoffs. Yeah. Maybe he's even one of those undefeated teams. He's eclipsing the Kurt Warner, who is this guy?

38:31It's fine. I mean, what's a, what's a, no one cares about the passing yard record. That, that is helping to inform it. Plus it, you know, 17 games versus 16. I don't know if that's a factor here. He's going to be remembered for that anyways. And the rest of it is great. Although the one I would have to pick is you said it's like dimes 2.0, but on Balco labs mode. I don't know if you saw the enhanced games or heard about them over the weekend, the, the, the Olympics where they got to use it. it didn't help to enhance Balco. Maybe just, uh, it was not that big of a deal. Yeah. I, I don't necessarily put Peter Thiel's, um, assemblage of horrors, uh, on par with, uh, San Francisco.

39:13I did not know he was involved with that. Yeah. Did not. Yeah. Um, honestly, the two unbeaten teams in the AFC, NFC losing in the championship games, I think would be great. I'm not saying that's what I would be going into the weekend rooting for, but maybe I'm a contrarian enough. And just like, hey, sports, it's unpredictable. That would be maybe as epic a championship game weekend as we've ever had. You come into it thinking we're going to get this matchup. Instead, they both go down, and it'd be a great day. It'd be a great day. Wow. Great day of football. That's all I'm looking for at this point.

39:51I'm going to give you a simple one. I should have gotten more complicated like you did.

40:01you can take either Travis Hunter moving forward, considering age, contract, everything. He's on your team. Or you can take Cooper DeGene moving forward. Now, obviously, Cooper DeGene, you've seen two years out of him. Yeah. So you feel even better, I would think, than you did as a rookie when he was great. Which player would you rather have moving forward, Cooper DeGene or Travis Hunter? I would rather have the quarterback. and I'm not even I don't even consider the possibility of taking Travis Hunter as anything else. I'm purely playing out wide at cornerback. I think he can be an all pro. I thought you were going to Cooper DeGene there.

40:46He played a lot of cornerback last year. He did play a lot of cornerback and again go back to the pre-track. Cooper DeGene is not a safety. I'm not saying. I'm just saying cornerback Travis Hunter just playing cornerback Like not trying to have him go in there and burn himself to death, doing all this stuff to play wide receiver, purely playing court. In this scenario, you do have control of how he's going to be used. So that's an important case thing. I think I agree with you. I'm leaving open the possibility to use him a little bit at receiver here and there, kind of like Deion style, or it's just like for fun.

41:23Yeah. Eventually. Because boredom. I mean, Dion was pretty useful. He made some big plays as a receiver, but ultimately he was like a fourth receiver. It's a tough one, though. In general, in the NFL, it's such a brutal sport. So hard to predict. In general, I will take the bird in the hand. And Cooper DeGene's bird in the hand is very possibly like a multi-time all-pro player. And so that's tough. it's tough when I feel like man I've seen enough to feel like he actually has a chance it's way too early he has a chance to be one of the best players at his position in his era and you know where that leads and so that it's tough when Travis Under hasn't shown it and I was as high as Travis Under as anyone and yet I do think I want the mystery box that is Travis Under yeah this is two very very good players right now I thought it was a good I thought it was a good one yeah you want it to be even

42:26Babona had one that was would you rather have Matt Ryan win the 2016 Super Bowl after that season or Cam Newton win the 2015 Super Bowl and I thought Chris why would I not want the Patriots to complete the greatest comeback in the history of Super Bowl you know why would I not want that you know the answer Maybe that's more for me. That's unfortunate. But he explained it's more which quarterback would you rather see kind of have that ring for legacy purposes, that it's unfair that the Super Bowl is kind of unfairly not happen for those two or tarnish them. Yeah. And I'm not even thinking about the quarterbacks in that scenario.

43:13Julio Jones got four targets in that Super Bowl. He caught all four of them, including, in my estimation, the greatest catch, the best catch, the most difficult catch in Super Bowl history, and it's just kind of lost, and he doesn't get that cherry on top of his career where they should have won that game. So you're going to choose Falcons. Yeah. Interesting. You know, Julio Jones did literally everything he could possibly do in this team game, and it just all fell apart. Well, that shows it was an underrated question. Because I'm surprised. I thought just as a big Cam Newton fan, it would have been really incredible.

43:51I mean, to imagine him as such a unique athlete in our sports history in that he had one of the most memorable college seasons and dominant and one of the most memorable and dominant professional seasons. And even if, you know, he didn't have the longevity and the amount of big seasons as other quarterbacks had, that would have been cool for him to beat that that no fly zone Broncos. Yeah. wish you know they they had a little bit more on offense on that on that Panthers team including up front okay I I would at this point like to get Chris on the mic to defend because I kind of went after him a little bit on text and I I feel bad about it Chris my pleasure um no I feel like especially with Cam Newton you think about how that dragged him and he was dragged weighed on his legacy in the media cycle post Super Bowl for him to win that game what would it mean for like his psyche and I know that he had the shoulder injury too but like where does Cam Newton's career go and then I think with Matt Ryan you're more thinking if he gets a ring it's more of like when does he become a hall of famer I think that happens expeditiously if he wins that 16th Super Bowl I think Matt Ryan is properly respected and rated I think people think of him as one of the best quarterbacks of his era but certainly never like in the top three or four and then he He did get to have that MVP season similar to Cam Newton, where they had that one season that popped up and people kind of forget Cam Newton, you know, still had a couple of really good seasons, a great season, a couple of years later after that happened.

45:24But yeah, I think that would have been cool. I would have gotten. I don't want my Patriots to lose that game. And also the fumble situation and everything, the criticism of that, those people would have been on cam regardless of what happened in that game, like regardless of how it played out or however they lost uh those same people were going to be saying the same things regardless this season and this is exactly related to the running back rankings that we're going to be doing to wrap up the week here i think it's going to go up on friday morning i thought this was tough jeremiah love it's just this season okay this season fantasy was nope real life wise it not really because in this case jeremiah loves not on the Cardinals.

46:05He's on your imaginary team, which has a better scheme in the offensive line, hopefully. It's on a generic team. Okay. This season, 2026, Jeremiah Love, James Cook, or Saquon Barkley, would you rather? On my hypothetical football team. Who's better right now? Who would you have faith in? James Cook. Ooh, that was the least likely answer i thought that's why you ask to running receiving um you know cohesion in the blocking i'm safe as bet i'm going james cook there as the total package jeremiah could get there it's one of those things where like i need to i've seen it i've seen it from james yeah uh because i was at this point where there was questions like oh this you know dalvin versus james where are we now that's not even a discussion anymore.

47:03I'm struggling between those three when it comes to making my ranking, so that's why I was kind of looking for your help. Saquon, just the second you doubt him, I know it's a little boom or bust, and he didn't look his best self. Maybe he pops back up. I'm leaning love, but kind of thinking that might be a little too over my skis. All right. It's going to be televised at halftime on Netflix. Thanksgiving day. It's going to be a 40-yard dash between you, Patrick, and Reekwollen. Weird that they would think that that would be something people would be interested in, but it's you versus Reekwollen.

47:46Now, they fly your family down there. They pay for your rooms. Okay. They don't necessarily get you Thanksgiving, but there'll probably be some sort of staff meal you can get or maybe some leftover of the craft service, the steak or whatever. But it kind of disrupts your Thanksgiving. And there's a chance you would be humiliated. Or you have to hit one of three free throws at halftime of an NBA Finals game. If you hit one of those free throws, you get three. A lot of pressure on you, though. Three free throws. you get a raise. You double your salary. Multi-year security in terms of what would happen if you hit one of the free throws.

48:43But if you miss all three, you get slimed. Okay. Nickelodeon style. You get a pay reduction by 50%. Okay. And you have to pay your family's way home. They also did come with you to the Christmas halftime. You have to pay your family's way home. Yeah, I'm shooting the free throws. Oh, you are? Yeah. 50 % is a lot, though, and that's a lot of pressure. In the other case, you're not losing any money no matter what. But I'm also running for free. Okay. Okay. And I got a call one time because there was a discussion about the fastest on-air talent. Yeah. I was actually getting a root canal, and Jen Kosky calls and was like, yeah are you the fastest and i'm like yeah it's like would you and like i'm not running for free oh i i wouldn't i wouldn't are you fast though i mean you just had surgery i mean yeah greg i would be willing to okay to run if somebody were willing to compensate me for it well they're not well i'm not gonna do a hamstring for free they're paying you to go down there for thanksgiving and stuff yeah but but if i mean even even involving the risk uh and i would love to be slimed.

49:55Okay. I don't know if the Paramount family is interested in partnering with me. What if I made it one free throw? One? Yeah, you got to make the free throw. I got to make it? I thought the 50 % pay reduction was going to be enough. That's significant. Yeah, but I also risk reward there. Okay, got it. I feel confident. 15 feet. Good one. Pressure bust pop. Good one by me. Or whatever. Go ahead. Heal one injury in NFL history E.T. style. Andrew Luck's shoulder or the hip of one Vincent Bo Jackson?

50:34Bo Jackson. Now, I wasn't there for it in the same way, but I was a kid that... I was like nine years old when he had that run against the Seahawks or so. I believe that was 88. That was old enough to kind of enjoy that. That felt more devastating. I appreciate the struggles that Andrew Luck went through, so it's a tough choice. But ultimately, I think he also helped to make that choice. His body was telling him the answer, whereas Bo Jackson almost was given no choice. Yeah. That sucks. There's nothing to say that even if Andrew Luck's shoulder wasn't bothering him, if he just makes the decision on after that he was going to be done with football, Bo had a lot left to give to sports in general.

51:19Yeah. Still does. So I'm with you there. an NFL daily guest too. Yeah. Although I love, I love Andrew Luck as well because he once as a player had his own book club, um, which you would just send tweets about. I was like, Oh, that's great. We get an 18 game season or we stay at 17, but they permanently play five days a week. So Saturdays, Fridays are getting into the mix and we've got a lot of fun. We've got like a primetime game on extra days, but we don't have the 18 game season. Which would you rather? As a as a fan, I'd rather have the 18 game season. Me personally, I feel like, you know, sorry to keep bringing up job security.

52:11Yeah, I think 17 games for games, five days a week provides an opportunity for more people to be employed. What about the health of the players? I mean, I'm surprised by Patrick not considering that. No, I am considering that. But, you know, these are troubling times, Greg Rosenthal. You know, it's already not safe. Also, the five days a week, in that case, like you are playing on less rest more often. And you're presumably getting an extra bye week with the 18th game. So although the extra game probably is worse, you know, there's mitigating factors there. Yeah, and probably some roster expansion, too.

52:49much to the chagrin because they feel like they'd probably be and I know Mr. Kraft kind of let it slip that they'd be willing to have the second buy there early but I think that you know look at you going Mr. Kraft yeah breakfast burrito or Alpa Store burrito I'll accept other candidates but to me those are the obvious candidates I will go Al Pastor. And the thing is, I will go there 24 hours a day. I think the notion that you can't have certain things for breakfast is preposterous. If it's good at 1.30 in the afternoon, it's good all day. And the Mexican places I like give you that option. You can get the Al Pastor at 10.30 in the morning at Tacos Por Favor.

53:38Bobona suggests pasta as some sort of non-applier here. That doesn't even make sense, but obviously both are still inferior. I'd have pasta whenever. Oh, yeah, sure. But not over the Alpastor burrito. You know, finding the perfect Alpastor burrito, and there is no such thing where taco in L.A. is one of the joys of living here. I will do all I can to find it. All right. Would you rather, Greg, officials never miss a defensive pass interference call or officials never miss an offensive holding call on the edge specifically? Whoa. Never miss? Never miss. Well, I think it's clearly PI. Holding I can live with.

54:28I mean, it would be great if all calls were perfect. But you can only pick one. I wonder what it would do to the sport if they could call, by the letter of the law, call every hole the hold. That actually might be negative. I mean, it would change, I think, how tackles have to play. It really might help out the edges quite a bit in a way that we don't like. Yeah. And that's the thing. The letter of the law includes so much gray that it would be impossible. They'd have to actually get the rules in a certain way where that could apply. But I'm just assuming in this hypothetical, like you're watching the game and you never disagree with one of the goals.

55:08I think we did it. I think that's it. We decided what we would rather. But Bona had another one that was your favorite team wins a Super Bowl or your rival never wins a Super Bowl again. And to me, the fact that he even asked that question tells me something about our friend Chris. Got a little hate in his heart. I mean, who would possibly choose the rival? He hates the San Francisco Giants that much? it's taking the ball and going home to an extreme that is a Dodgers fan question if I ever saw one who would not want just their team to win that's insane I know it says never but still I don't have that much hate in my heart we got a lot of love for Patrick and Eric Roberts and Chris who helped put this show together thanks buddy Patrick will be back next week but we're not done this week we are going to be back on Thursday with a quick news update with Nick Shook.

56:04Let's hit that music. As long as the fine people of Cleveland do not call him to jury duty. So far, he's been on call all week and haven't called him. So don't do it. We need him for Thursday on NFL Daily. And yes, we'll have our running back rankings later in the week. Can't wait to see you then.

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