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19:49Gregg Rosenthal:And obviously, first and foremost, Pukunakua has a lot of learning and growing up to do this off season. That's one truth. But another truth on this, obviously, is you hope on a human level that the maybe the care, if there is a substance issue, if there is something beyond, you know, the mental or some of the offseason exploits that does need to be addressed, you hope that a person gets care for that. But, you know, Nick, the other truth of this, though, is that there's been a lot of mistakes and a lot of just bad stuff that Puka Nakua has been out there and getting into, including starting even in the middle of the season with his anti-Semitic dance that he did on a live stream that's known for platforming people with that opinion and also white nationalists.

20:42Gregg Rosenthal:You know, Puka later said that he did not know what that dance meant. And these allegations that came out in this latest lawsuit would have placed the timing less than three weeks after his public apology for that dance and for that live stream. this is concerning on a number of levels. First and foremost, I really appreciated what Patrick said on a previous show that your actions are going to have to speak louder than any issued statements, than any sort of team leaking things or team putting things out there or anything like that. The organization has been supportive of him getting this help and being in this facility.

21:22Gregg Rosenthal:He did it of his own volition to my understanding, but the organization was glad he did after increasing concerns about his well-being and he there there is a lot of work to do and a lot of a lot of actions I think needed to show that he actually these were mistakes you know because your actions are going to now are going to speak a lot louder than even your play on the field

21:47Nick Shook:yep absolutely so so the the incidents has also happened in relatively quick succession which is really a very alarming reality for the fact that, you know, we remember what happened, the live stream, you know, thing. And then that was during the season. And then this happens, you know, like you said, less than a month later. And what it kind of speaks to for me, when I try to analyze this again, from the human perspective, like you said, you want somebody to make sure that they get the help that they need or the direction that they need, whether it's team provided or outside, you know, somebody within his circle, instead of being surrounded by yes men and enablers and everything else.

22:20Nick Shook:And it seems like maybe that's the path that he's on, But I think about it from a human perspective, because I try to understand how could you suddenly do all these things back to back and just make these mistakes. I have to make sense of this one way or another. And what I think it really is, is a product of a guy who came into the NFL and took the league by storm. He was not a household name. He was not a name that arrived to the Rams with great expectations. And in within just a couple of seasons became a superstar. And I think oftentimes when fame hits you so quickly, you don't know how to handle it.

22:47Nick Shook:Most of us are not equipped to handle fame when it hits you that quickly. That is not an excuse for what he's done. But when you try to make sense of why somebody will act the way they are and so destructively, I mean, relatively speaking, within such a short order, that kind of makes some sense to it. But how do you then counter that? You kind of that by being guided by people who have your best interest in mind and aren't just trying to, you know, take a little bit from your tree or take a little bit from your pockets. and it seems like maybe he's on that right track down going into the holistic care facility and the Rams apparently, you know, realizing this is a serious situation and that they're going to hold him to account and that they're not just going to let this continue to happen.

23:26Nick Shook:The hope that is that this is the first step toward doing more of the right things. And again, backing up your words with actions, because words like you said, they really don't matter. Anybody can have a PR team craft a statement that sounds fine, but if you go out and make another mistake, all of that disappears. So you hope this is the first step toward the right direction, but I think it does speak to, you know, how success and fame can, can derail somebody pretty quickly. And you just hope that they have the right support system around them to get them back on track and prevent these sorts of mistakes from happening again.

23:55Nick Shook:And then if you look at it from a football perspective, he is at that point in his career now, where you are talking contract extension, you are talking about your next, your first big payday, and that can all be affected for, you know, if he continues to make mistakes. So as of now, it's good that, you know, he ends up, you know, checking into this facility on his own volition. We'll see, you know, again, it's cautious optimism, I think. And you hope that he doesn't repeat these mistakes and that he learns from them.

24:21Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I think like I mentioned and you said this very well said, Nick, two things are true here. It's good to seek help and to get the help that you need for whatever issues you are experiencing in your life. And he's done so. Again, he's not a kid, no matter how many times Sean McVay refers to him as a kid. He is not. He is an adult man with a child. So he had the autonomy to go seek help, and he did. So I think that's one thing that is true here. The other thing is that accountability is not a one-off thing. Accountability is a lifelong thing. I think a lot of us understand that and know that.

25:01Gregg Rosenthal:and this is something that the the Rams I think more so just in my understanding and sort of my conversations the Rams more so than certainly they did in season where there was no he wasn't punished there was no internal suspension there was nothing and Sean McVay even came out and praised him after that game for his on-field performance just right after that streaming incident and trying to get the streamers into the building and all those things now I think that it has intensified internally, that necessity for accountability. I think a lot of his fans probably feel the same way, that accountability is necessary.

25:39Gregg Rosenthal:And so that's not something you just know is going to happen immediately. It's a series of actions. It's a series of steps. It's a life of growth and a life of understanding your platform and a life of understanding what you mean to people and who you are to people who celebrate you for what you do on a football field, but ultimately will remember you for everything, including what you do off of it. So with that, the Rams to me have, have in my opinion and my understanding have made it pretty clear what the stakes are here, even to the point where, you know, what's interesting about this to me shook is that they, they don't do early extensions until training camp anyway.

26:20Gregg Rosenthal:So they have naturally given themselves a cushion to see whether or not he is progressing in a way that's like, first of all, healthy. And second of all, that suits their standards of the mantle that they would say someone of that status of their franchise would have to carry. So they have time. So that's the first interesting part of this to me. And second, this is not a team that typically has used the franchise tag in the past. but what if they think they need more time what if like i said they believe that accountability

26:53Nick Shook:is a long series of steps and and you know it's not just the how does he appear when he shows up to the facility it's also i think it's a two-step process just to get back toward getting on the right track which is one looking yourself in the mirror and admitting your faults admitting your mistakes taking that accountability with yourself and then it's also about who you surround yourself with and i think that's where the rams could probably find some clues as they have this cushion and see how long they want to ride it out. Who is he surrounding himself with when he's not at the facility? Who is he leaning on?

27:24Nick Shook:Who is he turning toward? I think back to what was it a couple of years ago where they talked about the workouts in Cooper Cubs yard or whatever, and throwing up in the yard. That was a good sign at the time that you need more of that. You need to be surrounded by people that can guide you in the right direction and not lead you, you know, down these roads of mistakes that you've traveled down far too often recently.

27:43Gregg Rosenthal:It's going to be something. We don't know the results now. And OTAs are set to start. His lawyer has said that he will be participating in the team's offseason programming. I'm sure that the beat reporters will have a lot of questions, continued questions. Curious how the team will handle this as well from an optics standpoint, let alone from an internal standpoint. So just something that's going to continue to be a really big story in the NFL. And one, like I said, a lot of layers to it and a lot of nuance to these types of things. What you see externally is not always what's happening internally.

28:25Gregg Rosenthal:I want to move on to Trayvon Walker, a player who I know we both like quite a bit. He just agreed to a four-year,$110 million extension with the Jacksonville Jaguars. That includes a reported$77 million in guarantees and$50 million guaranteed at signing per our pal rap sheet. What do you make of this extension, first and foremost, Shook? And what does it say about this Jaguars defense and what they believe they are building moving forward?

28:54Nick Shook:We are in the sunniest, most optimistic. Everything is flowers and sunshine and candy, a period that the Jaguars have seen in a long time because they're coming off of a very strong finish to a regular season and disappointment in the playoffs, but every reason in the world to believe that the best is yet to come. So it makes a lot of sense that they sign one of their key guys in the defensive side and also confirm their former pick, first overall pick in Trayvon Walker by hitting him this deal. But it's not like this is just a handout because it's not. Over the course of his career, he's got 27 and a half sacks.

29:26Nick Shook:He's got 10 sacks in 2023, 10 and a half in 2024. And yes, he only had three and a half last year, but he still made a difference. He still made an impact over the 14 games that he played. If you are constructing your team for the longterm and you're figuring out and identifying exactly who are the key parts of your squad, as you try to continue to build toward the ultimate success and the ultimate goal, which is winning a super bowl. Now is the time to do something like that before he enters the fifth year of his rookie deal. And, and you lock them up, you lock up a guy that is going to be the future of your edge rushing department because Josh Heinz Allen for as good as he is, is not as young as he once was.

30:01Nick Shook:and in the meantime you have both of them getting after quarterbacks and it keeps one of your guys at a relatively affordable rate given what the edge rushing market is right now with the hopes that he outperforms that contract within the four years that he'll be signed to it so it makes a lot of sense um i saw you put a little note in there that the jacks got cute in the contract structure by giving him 27 and a half average annual salary which is equal to his career sacks of 27 and a half, which, all right, that's sweet. I like that. That's cool. Nice little nod. Um, but what I really liked most about him is he has like, he's not the cleanest, most polished edge rusher.

30:36Nick Shook:He's not an absolute force right off of the snap and just wins immediately. Like, I don't know, you think about a miles Garrett or some of the most premier edge rushers, but what he does and what I think really bodes well for his long-term success of the Jaguars, he never gives up on plays. He is every highlight you find of him. Rarely is it an immediate victory. Every once in a while, he'll get into the chest of a tackle and knock him off his platform, run right through him and get the sack. But a lot of them are, didn't win initially continues fighting, continues fighting and finds his way to the ball.

31:05Nick Shook:And he just does it over and over and over again. Sometimes it produces a turnover. There's the one time he recovered a fumble and took it back for a touchdown in Philadelphia. It's just all the signs that you want from a guy. He's not taking those plays off. His motor is relentless on these plays in which he makes a difference. You hope that that That is the foundation that he builds upon and really lives up to this contract. And that's why you sign him to a deal like that. That's, you know, relatively affordable, given what the market is. And you hope that it ends up being a cheap deal in the larger picture.

31:31Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I think the Jaguars are smart. They're looking at things beyond some of the premium numbers that we often look at with pass rushers. His sack totals are respectable, obviously, but they're clearly paying him as a second effort player, which tells me that they do have a construction idea of what they want to do moving forward. a second effort player like Trayvon Walker often lends well to a very, very creative first effort player who the second effort player has to, and truly has a sort of a knack for understanding how to bounce off of whatever that player is doing. Something that Liam Cohen, by the way, saw over and over and over again, he mentioned at league meetings, he really wants to have a situation with Trayvon Walker, similar to that, that he used to see with Aaron Donald, who is one of those initial efforts, second, third, and fourth and fifth effort players who they used to have to kick out of practice because he was just abusing the guards too much.

32:23Gregg Rosenthal:This is how the veteran rest days, by the way, came to be for Aaron Donald, who's never needed a rest day in his entire life. They would assign him veteran rest days because the guards were not getting enough actual work in because they were setting and panicking the entire time. And so that's what Liam Cohen wants to see out of Trayvon Walker. And certainly because he has such a, that knack and that ability to pursue even after the first contact on a play, he is able to have that creativity. They could basically, over time, Shook, you mentioned it, Josh Hines Allen is great, but over time, whoever they plug in with him, he is going to be able to play off of them because of that particular and very specific, as they would call it, superpower that he does have.

33:06Gregg Rosenthal:And next up on their list, I think, is extending Parker Washington, who we love on NFL Daily, really came on middle to late last season. And Breton Strange, who had a little bit of injury issues, but is certainly someone around whom a lot of their offense is designed as a sort of a hinge player in the passing surface and in the running surface too. So that's the Jaguars who, you know, probably were feeling a little impatient because they didn't go out and do a bunch of splashy things, but they're sort of now taking a step back, playing the compact game, this free agency and trying to build sustainably instead of sort of chase outliers, which in the best way their, their first season under Liam Cohen was.

33:44Yeah.

33:45Nick Shook:Super exciting for them. Um, sometimes when you look at your roster and you see the success you had, you just think, okay, I like most of what we had. Now let's start paying some of our own guys. We'll make small ads here, small ads there and continue building toward our greater goal. And look, as somebody who was not necessarily a big believer in what the Jaguars were putting together a year ago, I was so wrong. And I'm so happy to be wrong because I think they're on the right path forward and it all obviously all hinges on their quarterback and how he plays, but he played so well the back half of last year that I'm just like, I'm all aboard, baby.

34:13Nick Shook:Let's go, Jags, go win the South in 2026.

34:16Gregg Rosenthal:I know, I love it. I'm biased, obviously, but yes, I love it. I'm already, I do feel like Greg sitting in the power chair. I just got a producer text from Eric behind the glass. We're honking too much, Nick. We're honking.

34:28Nick Shook:That doesn't surprise me at all.

34:30Gregg Rosenthal:It doesn't surprise me at all. This is just a look at our conversations when Nick and I actually do get to see each other at these league events. All we do is sit there and talk about things we're interested in, which we are interested in, but we know a lot of the population is not. OK, here are some small news tidbits. The NFL announced in a little bit of a Friday news dump last week that its investigation into Chiefs receiver Rishi Rice has concluded. In their words, they found he has not engaged in conduct that violates the personal conduct policy and quote. So as of now, he will not be disciplined by the league.

35:06Gregg Rosenthal:Rishi Rice obviously was previously accused via lawsuit and social media posts by the mother of his two children of repeated assault. The NFL additionally said that its investigation into those allegations by her has concluded. And the great, the legend, the five-time pro bowler, two-time all pro, again, I cannot believe that Greg does not get to opine about this here today, Stefan Gilmore, longtime Patriots cornerback, pride of Rock Hill, South Carolina, pride of the Carolinas region overall, has retired. I'm going to read in short part of his statement. To my first love, football, as a young scrappy kid from Rock Hill, South Carolina with humble beginnings, the eldest of six, you gave me focus, opportunity, strength, and friends to last a lifetime.

35:54Gregg Rosenthal:He goes on to thank his wife, his children, his coaches, and the fans and says he's excited about his next chapter, which could include scouting or coaching or pretty much do whatever you want to do. Stefan Gilmore, like you earned it, man.

36:08Nick Shook:Yeah, he earned it. And what a career that he had started in Buffalo, proved himself as a very physical corner, willing to put his nose, get his nose dirty. And he did it plenty early on and throughout his career. and then wasn't the right fit for Sean McDermott and co when they showed up. And so he said, you know what? I'm going to go play on the other side of the rivalry in the AFC East. I'm going to go play for the Patriots. I'm going to go win a Super Bowl with the Patriots. And he stayed there for four more years. That's where he really peaked, hit a couple of first team, all pros for Pro Bowls.

36:35Nick Shook:And then he went back home to Carolina, an abbreviated appearance because of a quad injury that led to his trade from the Patriots to the Panthers, then became a mercenary as many do and finished on a strong note. Heck of a career. One of my favorite guys to watch when it comes to just the highlight reel because of how physical he played. He was a guy again, that was not afraid to get his nose dirty. He got in there. He sacrificed his body. He laid it all out there on the line over 13 years of retirement. That is well-earned, well-deserved excited for what's next for him and the pride of the South Carolina game Cox, DeFond Gilmore.

37:07Gregg Rosenthal:And you know, sneaky best Twitter username, handle combo, gilly lock and bump and run Gilmore, which two things that, you know, if you know, you know, It's good stuff. I can't, it's true. I can't believe Greg. We, I would really love a Greg monologue about Stefan Gilmore and like the interception in the Superbowl. Yeah.

37:26Nick Shook:It's 10 to three. The Rams are driving. It's the lowest excitement Superbowl in ages, but who provides the final juice? Stefan Gilmore, pick it off. Jared Goff to lock it up here.

37:37Gregg Rosenthal:Wait, I got another one coming and we are so back. And then I try not to say a little, my Patriots. That's my,

37:47Gregg Rosenthal:I know the listeners are going to love that one. Do we take a break, Eric? Well, I don't know. The kids are in charge. I feel like we, yes, please take a break. Please take a break. Please. Please for the love of God, take a break. Okay. We're going to take a quick break and then we're back on the other side of NFL daily kids edition with beef. We love.

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42:04Nick Shook:Intercepted at the four. Harmon forced the pick, and Gilmore comes up with it. His second of the postseason. In possession of the Patriots. What a call by Brian Flores. Pressure on number 16. You knew the kid was going to crack, and he did there. And what a play by Gilmore. Let's go.

42:24Gregg Rosenthal:Back on NFL Daily.

42:28Gregg Rosenthal:And what a call. What a game. What a moment. Stefan Gilmore told ESPN's Mike Reese that that was probably the favorite moment of his career. Shook, what a player, what a legacy.

42:41Nick Shook:Two things that really pop out there from here, Jordan, real quick. Number one, Zolak, always talking over Sochi on the call, even in the Super Bowl way back then. And then number two, he made another great play the year before. He broke up the fourth down pass from Blake Bortles that sent the Patriots to that Super Bowl. So primetime clutch player. You know who'll never forget that?

43:02Gregg Rosenthal:Blake Bortles. Okay, so the segment we're going to do today, you know, you and I love offensive line and defensive line analysis, and we also love petty arguments among professionals. So we've combined those two passions of ours into a segment that we have named Beef We Love. So, Shook, I'm going to tee you up to start. What is one beef that you love?

43:28Nick Shook:One beef is really, it's not, it's not an argument necessarily, but it's, it's an appreciation for some, some red meat, some real protein here and some teams that desperately needed to up their protein intake. We're doing with three different teams that invested in the offensive line this off season. First up, they weren't graded the worst, but they were undoubtedly the worst. The Las Vegas Raiders. They had a terrible offensive line last year. If you need proof, go look at Gino Smith's interception numbers or go look at Gino Smith's demeanor by the end of the season. They were terrible. since then they overpaid Tyler Linderbaum and I say overpaid respectfully, if not with a bit of a compliment because they had to pay the tax to get Tyler Linderbaum to leave the Ravens, to go to the Raiders.

44:09Nick Shook:It trades the black and purple for the silver and black makes as much, $8 million more per year than the next highest paid center. And it's all going to be worth it. If they can hold up. They also added Spencer Burford, the interior offensive lineman who was previously with the 49ers. So they're shoring up their offensive line as they bring in Fernando Mendoza and now Kirk Cousins, as we discussed earlier, another team that invested in their offensive line out of necessity, the Cleveland Browns, because they had a bunch of veterans who were headed out, who had some void years added to their contracts, who they weren't going to be able to keep.

44:39Nick Shook:Wyatt Teller, you're gone. Ethan Posick, you're gone. Jack Conklin, you're gone. And they needed to sign a lot. So what did they do? They trade for Titus Howard. They hand him a contract that's probably too expensive for what he's actually going to do, but they answered the situation at right tackle immediately. Zion Johnson, an ascending guard. They signed him to fill in at left guard, And then they go get Elton Jenkins, who, if he can stay healthy, will be one of the better interior linemen in the NFL. Three out of the five spots addressed right away in the offseason.

45:04Gregg Rosenthal:The situation they created, Shook. Please don't leave this part out. Oh, don't worry.

45:09Nick Shook:Don't worry. The Browns are never without sin in my world. Trust me. Your beef is my beef and everybody in Cleveland's beef. But at least they did something to try to make up for it. And lastly, the Chargers. A little bit lower level, but we already knew that they had good tackles. Very good tackles. Sean Slater, Joel Ault. when they're there, they're a better offense. We saw what happened even when they just got all back last year before he got hurt. And if you remember the Chargers evisceration of the Vikings in prime time before all exited for the rest of the season, they invest in the interior because you're only as strong as all five.

45:39Nick Shook:So they get Tyler Biotish and they add Cole strange, a guy who I was pretty high on coming out of college that never really quite stuck with the Patriots. Now he comes in there with a fresh opportunity to add some depth because my biggest complaint with the Chargers over the last five years has been, yeah, you're starting five might look okay, but I know your depth is poor. They get a little bit deeper there and hopefully it bodes well for them and hopefully they can avoid the injury bug. So I love investment in the offensive line. That's the beef that I love.

46:04Gregg Rosenthal:I love that. There he is. Giving you meat.

46:15It's like, oh Greg,

46:18Gregg Rosenthal:thank God you're not here.

46:19Nick Shook:It just slides in.

46:20Gregg Rosenthal:Oh my God.

46:21Nick Shook:Giving you meat.

46:23Gregg Rosenthal:We're off. Okay. One thing I wanted to say about the Chargers is they did bring in Butch Berry as their new offensive line coach who got the most out of like some maybe players that the fan base and certain talent evaluators are maybe a little bit more skeptical on, but over time really got some great play helped identify, you know, their, their star center who's out there now. I like that. Cause if someone's gonna, you know, kind of take a player like Cole strange, who a lot of these zone teams were high on that draft that he came out. I think it was 2022. Um, really, you know, a lot of these like teams that wanted to run like a, more of a stretch zone or a wider, uh, middle to outside zone.

47:05Gregg Rosenthal:They, they thought he had good movement skills and, and, and good technique. So we'll see if that goes well. My first beef that I love, let me be clear. I love the Panthers continued rebuild of their defensive line. I don't think they're done. We mentioned at the top of the show so we don't have to go back in depth over like how much a great addition to Derek Brown's already formidable presence on the inside would be um if they brought in a really good partner for him I like that they added Jalen Phillips I know there's some risk there with the injury history but he's so young if he can stay healthy I love this juice on the outside I already liked the way that Nick Scorton started to come along at the end of last year I think partnering him, taking some of the onus off of him to be the guy will really help set him up in a complimentary way.

47:54Gregg Rosenthal:Bobby Brown is a good interior role player, but I would really love to see them continue to add on the interior. We mentioned them as a should go or should at least pick up the phone for a call on Dexter Lawrence. I do think this is a position they could hit the draft to find an above average player here in the higher rounds. This is beef I love. This is building in a complimentary way, in the right way around your stars, not being afraid to invest in positions that really, really matter. The meat, the literal meat and potatoes positions up front. I love it. This is beef. I love what is your next beef?

48:32It looks beefy.

48:34Gregg Rosenthal:I should have known what we were getting into with this. How many beef soundtracks do we have? It looks beefy.

48:43Nick Shook:Well, this one's beefy. and it's beefy in the, I guess, the urban dictionary form, which is we got conflict. Juwan Jennings decided to be the heel of the NFL last year. Juwan Jennings versus the world. And by that, I mean the football world. We remember the altercation he had with the Browns when Malik Collins was on the cart and Juwan Jennings was talking trash. And Shelby Harris was very angry about it and let the world know afterward how he felt about it. I remember dot, dot, dot. And I want that known.

49:10Gregg Rosenthal:Let it be known.

49:12Nick Shook:And I want that known. We do still know Shelby Harris, how you feel about Juwan Jennings. But then he took it a step further. They're playing against the Colts in prime time. He scores and he goes up to the fans near the end zone in the seats. And he acts like he's going to hand him the ball. And then he goes psych and keeps it for himself. And you can hear an audible, oh, disappointment. Juwan Jennings, the heel of the NFL. But the funny thing is it all comes back around eventually because we are now at April 6th, 2026. And guess who is still unsigned? Juwan Jennings. And if you Google his name, he's the darling of every team that still wants a receiver.

49:46Nick Shook:The team blogs, they all want their team to go after Juwan Jennings. One quick Google search today listed the Saints, the Falcons, the Titans, the Chargers, all his candidates who should definitely absolutely go sign Juwan Jennings. But maybe it's a difference in money. That seems to be the vibe right now that maybe he wants a little bit too much, which again is the perfect capper to a beef because it's Juwan Jennings versus the football world. And now it's financial too.

50:09Gregg Rosenthal:I love that one. That was such a fun arc to follow. I wonder if he's starting to be on like the Chauncey Gardner Johnson path a little bit.

50:17Nick Shook:That was my next candidate.

50:18Gregg Rosenthal:He'll be a little bit more of a mercenary, but like a highly entertaining one who will give you some really, really valuable snaps, but then perhaps not be on your team like the next year. I am your entire coaching staff. Yeah. Who then will come back around five years later and resign you again. So I love this for him. He will always be cashing a check once he does get signed. This is, that's a really good one. Shook, for my last one, I'm calling this a beef to remember. Beef we loved among coaches in the 2025 NFL season. My memory was refreshed on this as I went to league meetings and watched specifically who was not talking to each other.

51:06Gregg Rosenthal:Matt LaFleur of the Green Bay Packers and Ben Johnson of the Chicago Bears I love this type of rivalry I need this rivalry to continue this is good for the sport it's good for the NFC North let's see who else jumps in oh wait Dan Campbell of the Detroit Lions perhaps against Ben Johnson of the Chicago Bears guys who once worked together who Dan Campbell had to spend an entire season last year answering questions about the departure of his former offensive-minded genius to the Chicago Bears in the same division. And finally, probably our favorite of the entire year, Liam Cohen versus Robert Sala, again in the same division.

51:55Gregg Rosenthal:Liam Cohen and Robert Sala famously had the on-field confrontation mid-season last year. And that was so early in the season, I'm kind of wondering what pops off here in the middle. Noted that they were standing on complete opposite sides of the coach's photo, but apparently both did attend the Jake Laser day drinking session. So maybe some bridges were healed at that point. This is a beef to remember.

52:21Nick Shook:They did say that they've mended fences and put that in the past. I think Robert Solly, even like two days later, apologized, said he wished he would have used some different words when describing their very effective legal sign stealing operation that they had there. He's like, I meant it as a compliment. Yeah, I don't believe that. But they did say they joked about it since then. Right. We'll see what happens when they meet in the field, though. Maybe those animosity could bubble back up now that they're in the same division.

52:49Gregg Rosenthal:I love it. I am issuing this challenge now to all the coaches and all the coordinators, frankly, because we need more, you know, lower middle to lower tier beef as well. Um, I think all of you should fight more, frankly, I think that it's good for the sport. I think it is better for the sport and the, uh, and the competition of the sport. If you just start letting us know how you feel, I was watching some of the earlier seasons of top chef recently. And I noticed, I noticed that they're all so much meaner to each other, to their faces in these earlier seasons, because they are so highly competitive and so at the top of their game.

53:27Gregg Rosenthal:And you know what? It makes for a great show. Top chef has never once fallen off in my opinion, but they're all so nice to each other. Now you guys want to kill each other in the kitchen. Come on. I need more beef. I need this to be a thing. I'm not a fan of hugs.

53:42Nick Shook:Yes. This needs to be the beefiest USDA prime cut beef next year. Coaches find an enemy, find a rival, find an enemy, Robert Sala to quote Robert Sala, who was quoting somebody else. If you ain't got haters, you ain't popping. Okay? Build haters. I need it. We need it.

54:00Gregg Rosenthal:Nick, how do you think this went today? Do you think we nailed the show? Or do you think it's like, I'm giving it like, you're a 10. I'm giving my own effort like a five or a six, you know?

54:10Nick Shook:Well, Jordan, one of our many commonalities beyond our love for trench play and offensive and defensive line is both crippling self-doubt and the inability to properly accept a compliment without feeling excruciatingly awkward when receiving it. So I am going to deflect back to you and we can go back around in a circle all day. Let's not, you were in the show and I was the number you were in the show.

54:32Gregg Rosenthal:Play the music, Eric. We don't want any more texts from you about how long we're taking to talk. Okay. Next in your feed, you will see forties and free agents with Greg Rosenthal, DJ and Ollie. That's the trifecta. I cannot wait to listen to that. Thanks for putting up with the kids. The kids are in charge today.

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