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Episode Information
- Title: Dolphins Release Tyreek Hill and Who Gets Tagged? Daniel Jones, Kenneth Walker, Kyle Pitts and More!
- Host: Gregg Rosenthal
- Co-Host: Jourdan Rodrigue
- Date: [Date of the episode]
Episode Overview In this episode of NFL Daily, Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue discuss significant developments in the NFL, including the Miami Dolphins' decision to part ways with star wide receiver Tyreek Hill and analyze potential candidates for franchise tagging this offseason. The conversation transitions into examining various players, such as Daniel Jones, Kenneth Walker, Breece Hall, and more, who are up for consideration.
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Key Topics Discussed
- Miami Dolphins' Roster Changes
- Tyreek Hill Released:
- The Dolphins cleared significant salary cap space by releasing Tyreek Hill and other players.
- Discussion on the implications of his release and the potential for him to be signed by other teams.
- Dolphins' Future Moves:
- The front office aims to reshape the team under new management.
- The conversation highlights the ongoing uncertainty around quarterback Tua Tagovailoa and potential trade scenarios.
- Franchise Tag Candidates
- Overview of the Franchise Tag:
- The franchise tag serves as a temporary solution for teams to retain key players and negotiate long-term contracts.
- Lock Candidates:
- George Pickens: Already reported to be tagged, implications of a potential trade were discussed.
- Leaning Candidates:
- Alec Pierce: Likely to be tagged or extended.
- Breece Hall & Kenneth Walker: Both running backs are expected to be tagged as teams look to retain talent.
- Kyle Pitts: His performance and injury history make him a candidate for tagging.
- Player Discussions
- Daniel Jones:
- The implications of tagging Jones at a projected $47 million.
- The complexity of contract negotiations and the potential for a multi-year deal.
- Kenneth Walker vs. Breece Hall:
- Both players are discussed as strong candidates for tagging, with insight into their value and impact on their respective teams.
- Other Notable Names
- Defensive Players:
- Adafi Owe: Discussed as a potential extension candidate.
- Jalen Phillips: Mentioned for his value on the defensive line.
- Other Players Mentioned:
- Kade Otten and potential tag implications for tight ends.
- Isaiah Likely and the financial dynamics of tagging a tight end in a team with cap constraints.
- Coaching Changes and Developments
- Overview of recent coaching hires across the league, including the Seattle Seahawks and Cleveland Browns.
- Insight into how these changes may affect team dynamics moving forward.
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Key Takeaways
- The Dolphins are taking bold steps to reshape their roster, signaling a shift in team strategy.
- The franchise tag remains a critical tool for NFL teams, with several players set to benefit from it.
- Discussions around contract negotiations, player health, and team strategies highlight the complexities involved in roster management as the offseason approaches.
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Conclusion This episode of NFL Daily provides a deep dive into the latest NFL news, focusing on significant roster changes and the implications for various players heading into free agency. The conversation emphasizes the strategic decisions teams face in managing their rosters and negotiating contracts.
Next Episode: Tune in for further discussions on franchise tags and team evaluations across the NFL.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODolphins' Major Cuts: Tyreek Hill and More
2:52 to 3:59
Discussion on the Dolphins releasing key players, including Tyreek Hill.
“It was fun for me to kind of just sleep for the last five days and listen to everything.”
Impact of Cuts on the Dolphins' Strategy
3:59 to 6:13
Analyzing the implications of the Dolphins' cuts on their future plans.
“I don't know if they're going to make the cut, but I'll let you go first here, Jordan.”
Tyreek Hill's Future in the NFL
6:13 to 8:31
Evaluating Tyreek Hill's potential market and concerns post-injury.
“I struggle to imagine a team's going to do that, but there are a few teams that just have a ton of cap space.”
Bradley Chubb and Other Free Agents
8:31 to 10:40
Exploring Bradley Chubb's status and the free agent landscape.
“Maybe even if he, like, let's say he comes back from the injury and he's lost a step or two, still one of the fastest players we've ever seen playing football.”
Derek Carr's Future and Market Position
10:40 to 13:00
Discussion on Derek Carr's future and potential landing spots.
“They're willing to pick up any veteran pass rusher, like with a pulse, as long as he can get them to one extra game in the postseason.”
NFL Season Kickoff in Australia
13:00 to 14:01
Details about the upcoming NFL season kickoff game in Australia.
“If it was Thursday, they would probably let the Seahawks kick the season off on Wednesday, I think, in that scenario.”
Discussing Tim Tams and Seattle's Season Opener
14:01 to 15:29
The hosts discuss Tim Tams and potential matchups for the Seahawks' season opener.
“I got to figure out how to load up a suitcase with that stuff.”
Coaching Updates Around the NFL
15:30 to 17:42
Overview of recent coaching hires and changes across various NFL teams.
“But you tell me which one of these you want to hit on after I rip through.”
Insight on Brian Fleury's Impact
17:43 to 19:10
Discussion on Brian Fleury's hiring and its implications for the Seahawks.
“Like, I'm not a religious guy, you know?”
Analyzing John Harbaugh's Leadership
19:11 to 20:07
Exploring John Harbaugh's coaching structure and dynamic within the Ravens.
“but he was a tight ends coach there at the time.”
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John Harbaugh's Vision and Control
20:08 to 23:01
Delving into the narrative around John Harbaugh's control and strategies in the Ravens organization.
“And part of the article was just about the structure.”
Introduction to the Tag Primer
29:04 to 29:50
Discussion about the players likely to receive franchise tags, starting with George Pickens.
“I wasn't totally sure what the Gutenberg Bible was.”
George Pickens Potential Trade Scenario
29:50 to 30:52
Exploration of George Pickens' value and potential trade conditions.
“I think the most interesting thing to think about George Pickens right now is, could they tag and trade him?”
Cowboys' Strategy with George Pickens
30:52 to 33:16
Analyzing the Cowboys' possible approach regarding George Pickens and the franchise tag.
“A lot of times they've done a pretty decent job of like keeping their players who are their good players, essentially, again, outside of the Micah Parsons situation.”
Franchise Tag Candidates Overview
33:16 to 35:36
Identifying and discussing various players likely to be tagged, including Daniel Jones and Kenneth Walker.
“And maybe the contract becomes a little bit more palatable in that case.”
Daniel Jones' Contract Dilemma
35:36 to 38:10
Deep dive into the complexities surrounding Daniel Jones' potential franchise tag and contract negotiations.
“partly why I do lean yes, that$28 million is a lot for Alec Pierce.”
Complications in Jones' Contract Negotiations
38:10 to 40:48
Discussion on the implications of Daniel Jones' previous performances on his contract negotiations.
“What are they going to do at quarterback if he stares them down and doesn't take whatever they're offering?”
Brees Hall and Kenneth Walker Tag Considerations
40:48 to 42:01
Analyzing the potential of tagging Brees Hall and Kenneth Walker and what it means for their teams.
“Then I know you said if you're Daniel Jones, you think about it this way, but your argument for the Colts, like you don't want to put up that much guaranteed money.”
Brees Hall's Situation and the Jets' Challenges
42:01 to 43:50
Discussion on Brees Hall's desire to leave the Jets and the team's need for a tonal reset.
“But if I'm the Jets, yes, the tag is really enticing.”
Evaluating Key Players for Franchise Tags
43:51 to 46:11
Analysis of various players like Kyle Pitts and Jalen Phillips regarding franchise tags and extensions.
“It's weird because he was in the same system in Baltimore and was generally, I wouldn't say disappointing.”
Teams and Players Likely to Avoid Franchise Tags
46:12 to 49:10
Exploration of teams' strategies for franchise tagging and which players might be affected.
“down there now is going to need a number one tight end in this offense.”
Prospects for Players Entering Free Agency
49:11 to 51:01
Discussion on players who are potential free agents as the offseason begins and their team dynamics.
“Jordan, who stands out to you out of that list?”
Transcript
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2:24Jourdan Rodrigue:Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are not a dolphin-safe show today. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm home. I'm talking to my friend Jordan Rodrigue, who's across the city, whose dad joke from text about an hour or two ago I just stole. Welcome back to NFL Daily, Jordan. We missed it.
2:45Gregg Rosenthal:I'm happy to be here. You had a great week of shows in the gap between our fantastic and super fun Super Bowl recap. I loved hearing Mina and I loved hearing Bill. I love I always love hearing Ollie. You know this. So it was fun. It was fun for me to kind of just sleep for the last five days and listen to everything.
3:02Jourdan Rodrigue:No, no comment on your corny joke. I was going to say listeners don't know how much Jordan loves a dad joke, but you really they really do because they've been listening to you for for a couple of years now. And we'll we'll have more opportunities. for said jokes, because, yes, we'll talk about Tyreek Hill and all the dolphins being cut. We do have just kind of drips and drabs of news as we are in a flash flood warning in Los Angeles right now. And so if you hear anything in the background, that's the rain. And then we're going to do a little primer on the franchise tag. It's an exercise I've done for a long time now on the podcast.
3:38Jourdan Rodrigue:And it gives us a chance to say who we think is going to get tagged, who won't, and gives us a chance to talk about some of the biggest names that are going to be on my top 101 free agents list, which is in process. I kind of have my rough draft ready. And now I got to decide where to put Tyreek Hill and Bradley Chubb and maybe Nick Westbrook or Kina and maybe James Daniels. I don't know if they're going to make the cut, but I'll let you go first here, Jordan. The Dolphins' new front office made a lot of cuts, none of which were shocking, but they kind of the first team to just make all these big moves.
4:15Jourdan Rodrigue:And Tyree kill specifically is a big name who is immediately available on the free agency market. If, if a team wanted to talk to him and potentially sign him in the next week, they could Bradley Chubb will see it's not official yet, but just your, your thoughts on, on this overall group and what it means for the dolphins.
4:33Gregg Rosenthal:Well, yeah, I think to your point, inevitable in some ways, because John Eric Sullivan and Jeff Halfley, You knew immediately once they set up shop and sort of got let the dust settle post Super Bowl is really when a lot of this stuff starts to formally happen, gearing up toward the combine, gearing up toward free agency starting in a couple of weeks. You knew that they were going to identity shift the team, right? This was a team that was built somewhat incongruently in some ways, but a lot of ways on offense, especially had an identity that fit what Mike McDaniel wanted to do in terms of a lot of speed.
5:06Gregg Rosenthal:um you know Tyreek Hill coming off the injury that's going to be an interesting one to watch and all of the off off the field stuff that he always seems to be involved in as well um and see how certain teams pick that up but yeah it's not a surprise to me to see this sort of mass exit of a lot of these players that we've known to be a core part of the roster for the last couple of years and the big question at quarterback still remains so we'll see what the Dolphins do over the next couple of weeks there.
5:35Jourdan Rodrigue:Yes. The insiders who have been reporting about this on Monday morning indicated that for now, you know, they're not cutting to a, I think they would like to get a trade partner. We talked about that on the trade candidate show with Bill Barnwell. I'm sure I'll be referring to that show a lot over the next couple of weeks and the Dolphins would love to get a trade partner. The problem is they're going to have to give up something because Tua's contract is so onerous. They're going to have to give up, I think, picks with Tua just to get anyone to take his contract on and make it work financially.
6:12Jourdan Rodrigue:That would save them a lot of money, which they would love to do. I struggle to imagine a team's going to do that, but there are a few teams that just have a ton of cap space. You never know. Talking about cap space, all these moves, and let's go through. Tyreek Hill, five-time All-Pro, probably a future Hall of Famer, you know, had great years in Miami. Bradley Chubb, who missed all of 2024 with an injury, but played fairly well in 23 and 25. Maybe not, you know, as big as his name is, but he did have production. And then James Daniels was the guy that gave$24 million to just last offseason. He only played three snaps for them.
6:49Jourdan Rodrigue:He had been healthy before. That's just bad luck and now they're going to cut him. So they went from over$18 million over the cap, Jordan, to$11 million under the cap. So just with these four moves, they are now close to what you need to be for the offseason cap compliant. The problem is they have$56 million in dead cap just from these cuts. So next time you hear like your favorite quarterback or actually good player is overpaid, like, oh, he gets too much money. Teams are willing to put$56 million in dead cap for guys who won't even be on the roster. And they had to do that. They had to make it right for all the decisions that Chris Greer had made poorly over the last few years.
7:35Jourdan Rodrigue:But that Tyreek Hill deal they just gave to him a couple of years ago seems insane now. They gave him another deal just two years ago. My question is, what should I do with Tyreek on the top 101? because initially I kind of slot him in one place. Then I thought about it. He's coming off a dislocated knee and a torn ACL. And the off field stuff is, you know, a major concern because even though he hasn't been suspended of late, the Dolphins were dealing with a lot of issues. And to me, he'd kind of be hands off right now.
8:10Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. And you have to see too, because unfortunately, I don't know that a lot of teams are going to factor the latter part in as much as they would factor in the injury concerns. So you have to see how he returns from it. I could see him being like a late summer addition for a team that is looking for like a Stefan Diggs type of addition, someone who could really infuse speed. Maybe even if he, like, let's say he comes back from the injury and he's lost a step or two, still one of the fastest players we've ever seen playing football. So, you know, it's one of those things where I could see a team taking a flyer and trying to, especially if they think they're in a competitive space, adding, you know, maybe a cheaper veteran, someone who can infuse speed and talent for the quarterback, especially if they're quarterback.
8:57Gregg Rosenthal:Let's say they have a young guy. He's further along maybe than they thought he might be. I could definitely see this happening like late June. And it's interesting because Greg, I think they have up to 36 million they can save just depending on some of the levers they can pull in these releases. so it's still a huge amount of dead money that they're incurring and and if they move from to us even more so but the thing about this is that teams don't care about this as much anymore they are so willing to take a massive hit in terms of dead cap in the short term and absorb almost as much as they can over one year of pain try to maximize draft capital in that year and try to build some new core of their roster in that year without spending a ton in free agency.
9:46Gregg Rosenthal:And then it almost gives you an auto reset. It's like a windshield wiper. Now it's raining. I'm thinking of this. It's like a windshield wiper on your entire, basically, team build. And then you can start over again.
9:57Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, it's very well put by you. And it's not that hard to do. And teams are totally more willing. And a lot of the best teams in the league have had tons of big dead cap hits over the last few years, including the Eagles. do it basically year after year. Bradley Chubb is a guy who I initially slotted into like the fifties or so of my top one-on-one. There's a lot of free agents that I like more than him because of his injury history and because of his age, but he's still a productive player. And as I get closer to it, I might, I might inch him up. I might be in a little harsh on him initially, but yes.
10:31Gregg Rosenthal:He's a pass rusher, Greg. And you, you're going to a team that thinks they need their one pass rusher away.
10:37Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah. There are a lot, a lot of them. Yeah.
10:40Gregg Rosenthal:Teams that think they're one. I mean, look at the bills. They're willing to pick up any veteran pass rusher, like with a pulse, as long as he can get them to one extra game in the postseason.
10:51Jourdan Rodrigue:Like Joey Bosa, I do have ahead of Bradley Chubb. To me, he was a better player. If you're thinking of similar types of players, Khalil Mack, I have ahead of Bradley Chubb. And then there's actually, you know, there's some younger, more intriguing players that are even a little higher. But Chubb will get signed and do plenty well. I'm not projecting who makes the most money. It's more like who I believe in the most. Derek Carr could potentially be on the list. He's interested in playing again for the right team on the Homegrown podcast with our colleague, David Carr. I don't know if you've had a lot of quality time with David.
11:29Jourdan Rodrigue:Good guy. You know, he wants to help us get Derek Carr, you know, to unblock us on the podcast. I remember that. That was exciting. The most interesting thing about the Derek Carr conversation is that he said he's already turned down some teams. We know the Colts last year, but he even indicated maybe this offseason. He's mentioned that he'd only do it for like a Super Bowl team. And it does go to our friend Adam's point on our favorite team podcast, the Saints block party podcast, where he was like, this guy's just kind of like quitting. He doesn't want to be on the Saints. Mickey Loomis doesn't want him on the Saints.
12:06Jourdan Rodrigue:The Saints still control his rights. I don't know if there'd be much of a trade market for Derek Carr, but if he can find a right landing spot, maybe he will be playing in the NFL this year.
12:16Gregg Rosenthal:I mean, as long as we're making statements like this, Greg, I am also ready and willing to return to the market so long as Pedro Pascal is available, you know.
12:27Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, but here's the thing. Derek could absolutely not only just get a job in the NFL.
12:32Gregg Rosenthal:You might have to settle for less, Derek. That's all I'm saying.
12:35Jourdan Rodrigue:Okay. Like, yeah, if he wants to be on a Super Bowl contender as a starter. Yeah, that's obviously not happening. If he wanted to be like his brother on a Super Bowl contender as a backup, I think that could happen. That would make sense. David Carr, as they always bring up on our NFL Network show, like two-time NFL champion or one-time NFL champion. I don't remember. Super Bowl champion as a backup to Eli. So that could happen. Just something to keep an eye on with the quarterback market. The Rams and Niners, two teams. at least the Rams could be in the market for a backup maybe bringing Derek Carr to the Rams if Jimmy Garoppolo leaves it was announced while we were away a little bit that they're going to be playing in Australia which is intriguing and it will be a week one game which is intriguing and that it might be on the Wednesday before week one I thought Labor Day would be fun but it's being reported and the reporting has changed so you never know that it'll be Wednesday or Thursday in Australia before the season.
13:39Jourdan Rodrigue:If it was Thursday, they would probably let the Seahawks kick the season off on Wednesday, I think, in that scenario. It sounds like they're not going to do a doubleheader, but those will be the two games back-to-back. We might start the season in Australia. Have you started to push the Athletic to try to send you on that trip?
13:57Gregg Rosenthal:I'm trying to think of pitches as to how I can make it there. um i was talking to our friends will gavin and and laurie i think his last name is pronounced horsch but there's probably a different accent to it because he's australian does espn australia out there we were trying to come up with in in santa clara we were last week or two weeks ago we were trying to come up with like ideas of how i could somehow get out there i'm a big fan of tim tams the candy so uh every time i see laurie every time i see laurie he brings me a couple of Tim Tams and I'm like, man, I got to get out there. I got to figure out how to load up a suitcase with that stuff.
14:32Jourdan Rodrigue:I can just hear the Seahawks fans now. Frames Niners start the season like this is disrespectful to us. You know, come it'll that that game will be on NBC. That'll be the big game. They'll they'll pick a great matchup that they have plenty of matchups out of the division that are fantastic. Chiefs are one of them. That's not going to be it because you're not going to take the risk of Patrick. Maybe it'll be the Bears. That would be fun. They're on the schedule, the home schedule, Caleb Williams in Seattle for the home opener. But I think that'd be fun. And then they should play on Wednesday. Give them as much time as possible to kind of readjust coming back quickly.
15:06Jourdan Rodrigue:Trinidad Chambliss, the Ole Miss quarterback, finally won his appeals and he will go back to school. That's just a quick thing I wanted to mention because he probably was the QB three, maybe four in this class, was probably a day two pick. But the money's better in college. So he's staying in college. And now I'm going to rip through a ton of little coaching updates. And we'll hit the Harbaugh story afterwards. But you tell me which one of these you want to hit on after I rip through. Seahawks with some hires. They got their offensive coordinator. It's a surprising choice. Brian Flurry, the 49ers tight ends coach.
15:46Jourdan Rodrigue:So a creative choice there. And a first-time OC in a big spot for Seattle. Zach Orr, the former Raven, also is going to join that defensive staff. He used to be a coordinator. Also, Daniel Stern, who a lot of geeks like yourself love, kind of as the strategy dude in Baltimore. Interesting hires there for Seattle. The Browns have hired Mike Rutenberg as their defensive coordinator. Rutenberg was under Jeff Ulbrich in Atlanta last year, and Raheem Morris. So that's an interesting hire. but another first-time D.C. under first-time NFL head coach Todd Munkin. Clint Kubiak's staff in Las Vegas. He elevated defensive line coach Rob Leonard as defensive coordinator, so another first-timer.
16:31Jourdan Rodrigue:Mike McCoy is on that staff. Joe DiCamillis is back in the NFL for old heads as a special teams coach. He's a fun guy. And then your guy, Mike LaFleur, and by your guy, I just mean he worked for the Rams. He kept Nick Rallis as defensive coordinator, which is interesting. I thought Nick Rallis did a good job. So expect the creative defenses there to stay. Matt Schaub is his quarterback coach. When I see Matt Schaub's name, I'm just going to mention it on the show. And then John Fox is back in the NFL as part of a coaching staff that I got to say, I think Joe Brady has nailed. I'm giving you the choice to hit one of those.
17:06Jourdan Rodrigue:What is the most interesting of all those?
17:09Gregg Rosenthal:Well, I think it's Brian Fleury in Seattle. It's interesting. They clearly wanted to keep the tenets of the Shanahan run scheme in Seattle. And Mike McDonald, you know, went through a lot of internal candidates before he settled on an external candidate. Prying him away from Kyle Shanahan is something you can't you obviously can't stop at a certain point if it's a promotion. But it's going to be felt in that building. He is George Kittle's favorite coach outside of John Embry, who is in Miami of all time. George Kittle and I, we sat down in the summer for a story that I did for The Athletic. and he has lots of thoughts and opinions on the modern tight end coach and how sometimes it's kind of an extra spot or it's like where a lot of like the social climbers or the or the guys who are not going to be on the staff for long are because they're going to get promoted into other positions he had two coaches that he had a significant extreme level of respect for one of them was brian fleur the other was john embry and he also kind of looks like george kittle 50 years from now I'm not saying he's that old but they kind of look like they're related to each other in some way um my other thought and I know you you're only giving me one but my other thought was Michael Floor is clearly trying to do what Matt LaFleur has done with Sean Mannion which is bring a quarterback in a former quarterback that he knows really well in to help coach his offense or help install coach up his next quarterback um and the last thought Greg do you think that Mike Rutenberg calls his defensive playbook the Rutenberg Bible?
18:45Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh. I... That goes over my head. Like, oh, the... Like, I'm not a religious guy, you know? Rutenberg?
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18:54Gregg Rosenthal:Daniel Jeremiah's gonna love that one.
18:56Jourdan Rodrigue:He will. I thought you were gonna do, like, a rootin' tootin' joke or something.
19:00Gregg Rosenthal:Wow, you think so little of me, Greg.
19:03Jourdan Rodrigue:Brian Flurry, it hits me, was there with Sam Darnold in San Francisco. Yes. Not that he was coaching him directly, but he was a tight ends coach there at the time. Yeah, I think this is a really run. It's all just so incestuous. The whole division is preposterous, and that's why I don't like the Michael Fleur hire, because we need to just break out of this vicious cycle. And once again, the Cardinals are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of their choices. But hopefully Michael Fleur won't be like that. But yeah, a lot of names we'll be talking about throughout the course of the season. uh you wanted to talk a little bit about the john harbaugh article by ian o 'connor who for the athletic seems to be the official john harbaugh whisperer slash there's got to be a
19:49Gregg Rosenthal:book coming like i have to think right i can't wait to read it it's a little much but it's also
19:54Jourdan Rodrigue:very good reporting and it's good and we know how john harbaugh with all respect to you know connor who's doing an amazing job and i'm obviously is considering multiple things here But like we're kind of seeing John Harbaugh's vision through Ian and he's reporting that. And part of the article was just about the structure. Maybe the most interesting thing here is that their new hire, Donna Ponte, who used to work for the Dolphins and then has been in the league office for a long time, is above Joe Shane on the depth chart. that everyone is reporting to Don Aponte, who then reports to John Harbaugh.
20:34Jourdan Rodrigue:So there's like another layer removed where Joe Shane is just scouting. And that's it. At least that's the most interesting to me. What hit you?
20:42Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, that was the most interesting part to me. And I think that, and just from like a nuts and bolts standpoint, because I know you and I like to talk about reporting a lot too. Whereas like, I think he's doing it in a really smart way where, and I'm not just saying that because we're colleagues. because I look up to him enormously, but I think he's going about it in a really smart way where there's been a lot of stuff and nonsense put out there by certain team officials talking about a unilateral decision-making and all this stuff. And it's making it clear that not only is that not the case, but John Harbaugh seems to be the one that's making it clear that that's not the case here a few weeks later.
21:23Gregg Rosenthal:And it goes to show to me how much, first of all, anyone with a pulse could have seen and known immediately. I don't think anybody believed this group when they said like, oh no, we're going to hold the helmet equally and all that. Like, I don't think they believed that for one second. Um, but they still kind of kept force feeding that into the narrative from the organization. And it goes to show like, first of all, yes, John Harbaugh is very much in charge. I think that if you're going to have an overhang GM with a shaky track record, this is exactly the way you need to do it. You have to acquiesce control.
22:01Gregg Rosenthal:If you're going to hire somebody who has such a resume as John Harbaugh does and such a vision for what he specifically wants, and you're going to keep the old GM, the GM quite naturally has to acquiesce power and control. But what the other side of this is, is how much so much of this hiring these hiring cycles greg are titled and uh and and um like sort of coordinated to protect the ego of men who are worrying about that versus building a team so i i just feel like we we get some of these like peaks behind the curtain when this like aftershock reporting comes out which is what this is um the first 30 days and it's making a statement very a statement that was sort of pushed aside or quelled or tried to quell for the sake of ego, like very, very clear and obvious the way that we all thought that it was.
22:57Jourdan Rodrigue:Right. And a cynic or at least maybe a realist would say like the ego of John Harbaugh is a big part of this, too. In that half the article is like how hard he's working. He has not had time to even go to. And I'm sure it's all true, but it's given us his 4 a.m. workout routine, which I love that stuff. But it's it's one of those articles that if it doesn't go well in New York, you'll look back and be like, like, like he's feeling himself here. And I would, too, if I just signed a one hundred million dollar contract. And yeah, the whole building is basically reporting to Donna Ponte, who is reporting
23:35Gregg Rosenthal:to John Harbaugh. And it's interesting because I think those types of details paint a picture of somebody who wants people to know he still got this. You know, like I still am capable. I still am, even though it was maybe not as mutual parting from the Ravens as I'd like people to think that it was or they'd like people to think that it was like I'm in control. And this is why it will work that I am in control.
24:04Jourdan Rodrigue:I got the juice and I got the muscles. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and let's come back and let's talk tag before we get out of here. So we're going to go through like the top potential guys who could get the franchise tag. Hey, it's Carissa Thompson.
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29:38Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm clueless. My kids are going to be even more clueless, which I worry about. I set it into different sections, Jordan. The first section, and we'll just go through them, is a lock. I only have one that's a lock. It's already been reported. It's George Pickens. I think the most interesting thing to think about George Pickens right now is, could they tag and trade him? And if so, what would the price be? The wide receiver tag is$28 million,$28.8 million. So a nice come up for George Pickens, considering where he was last year. it's not like the Steelers dumped him but that was you know they were getting mid-round picks for him and now he's getting 28 million at least Cowboys have a lot of cap issues I tend to think they will just tag and keep him but what what do you think the market would be if they kind of opened it up for offers well I mean I think you're looking at at least a second round pick
30:32Gregg Rosenthal:maybe a couple of of mid-round picks for a George Pickens who you're going to need to pay if you're an acquiring team. So you have to factor that in as well. He's such a talent. And so that's part of the reason why I can't see the Cowboys parting with him outside of one extremely notable exception last offseason. A lot of times they've done a pretty decent job of like keeping their players who are their good players, essentially, again, outside of the Micah Parsons situation.
31:03Jourdan Rodrigue:Too many of them, some Cowboys fans would argue. They've given some big contracts to not even great players. Yeah.
31:08Gregg Rosenthal:Yes. And so I think that that's, that's a factor here. What we absolutely can't roll out is the fact that Jerry Jones is going to want this in the media for as long as possible into the spring and summer. So I'm sure we're going to hear, and you know what, like the wild card here, and I know you guys, you talked about it, I think with, with DJ on a previous show is, is David Mulgetta being George Pickens agent, also Micah Parsons agent, also somebody who Jerry Jones insulted last offseason ahead of even the negotiation process with Micah Parsons. And you try to think, OK, well, that can't possibly play a factor in people doing their jobs and executing.
31:50Gregg Rosenthal:But if there is going to be straws that are maybe grasped at or reasons to not sign a player that they need, that they want to use, that an owner with a history of sort of holding on to these types of things wants to use, that could be one of them. It certainly would be the stuff of the type of noise that they want to perpetuate about their brand into the offseason. I think the smart thing to do would be to tag him and keep him. But again, George Pickens and David Milgetto will probably have some sort of conversation or say about this, too.
32:20Jourdan Rodrigue:They have a they're 30 million dollars over the cap. They can do a million restructures and obviously they can figure it out. But, you know, if you if you tag a guy, that's just a clean 28 million dollars. I hate the franchise tag. I think they should get rid of it in the next CBA. It's so hard for these guys to earn like they're right. You know, there is no free market in the NFL, but closer to what free market value would be that it seems like unfairly weighted against the players. That said, since it does exist, this is a situation where I, if I'm the Cowboys, I would not want to give George Pickens a long-term deal because of the up and down nature of his career.
32:59Jourdan Rodrigue:I think one year is perfect. And if you did have a team willing to give up, a second plus i don't think it's a i don't think it's crazy to trade him at all because i i don't think paying him and cd lamb like between him 60 million dollars long term is maybe that big of a winning strategy but most likely you kick the can down the corner because i don't think teams are going to give up much for george pickens to be honest with when you have to pay him that much
33:23Gregg Rosenthal:money yeah if it's the contract aside which we can't logically put it aside because it's going
33:32Jourdan Rodrigue:to be something you're going to have to pay him 100 million dollars guaranteed so do you want to do that plus picks for george pickens i don't think many teams will yeah unless the picks aren't great
33:41Gregg Rosenthal:so that's why i would think the cowboys have some leverage there but looking at some of the rest of these names and then also the names on the free agency list there are going to be teams who miss out on getting their number one receiver again perhaps like teams that have struggled to nail this position over the course of the last couple of years there are going to be teams that are maybe not wanting to take a risk on Tyreek Hill because of the injury stuff, because of the off field stuff. And maybe the contract becomes a little bit more palatable in that case. If you think, okay, we can bring this guy in and he's going to be our difference maker.
34:17Gregg Rosenthal:And we think we have the right program for him as well. Yeah.
34:21Jourdan Rodrigue:I think, I think it'd be fun. I like, because you're not getting Alex, Alex Pierce, you know, you're not getting, probably not
34:28Gregg Rosenthal:some of these guys on here you just some of these potential tag guys what a segue i know
34:32Jourdan Rodrigue:very good well yeah and we talked aj brown you know brian thomas jr that there will be yeah michael pitman potentially receivers available for a trade but these are more about tags and yes your segue uh the section i categorize leaning yes so if i had to guess i think these players would get tagged and i have five players in this tier alec pierce i think will happen. We'll start with him. Brees Hall, I think, will get tagged. Odafe Owe maybe should have been more in my 50-50 tier now that I say it out loud, but if I would go like 52-48, I'm leaning. Kenneth Walker, I'm leaning yes. And Kyle Pitts, I'm leaning yes.
35:11Jourdan Rodrigue:So we'll go through them one by one. But Pierce and Daniel Jones is the most interesting situation, I think, on this entire list because they're both free agents. They're both eligible for the franchise tag. A franchise tag for Daniel Jones would be$47 million, which seems prohibitive. So you would just think that they're going to have to figure out some sort of contract if they want to keep him. And that's partly why I do lean yes, that$28 million is a lot for Alec Pierce. But as you know, but just to remind the listeners, it's very often a tool to get them to a long-term contract extension. And a lot of times the contract happens before you even need the tag.
35:52Jourdan Rodrigue:And it's just kind kind of sitting in the background as something almost threatened by the team. And eventually you just get that contract done. It sounds like you think he will stay and you agree with me here.
36:03Gregg Rosenthal:I think that Alec Pierce is more of a extension candidate and Daniel Jones is more of the tag candidate here, especially because Alec Pierce will be ultra tradable. If you decide maybe you're going in a different direction or a new coaching staff comes in, let's say after 2026 and they go, I can't imagine not wanting one of the most explosive players we've seen in the last couple of years in the NFL. But if they go in a different direction, like he, he would be, I think tradable.
36:35Jourdan Rodrigue:Whereas if by that logic, the guy who's trading him is fired. So I don't know if that plays a huge role.
36:42Gregg Rosenthal:Okay. Well, it's not like it doesn't play a huge, I'm just sort of contextualizing why I would make the decision is you should extend your good players. You have a good player in house. You should extend your good players. If you were, if you come to regret it, he is a very tradable asset. That's my only point in that parameter. The other thing is Daniel Jones, I think is a more likely tag candidate for the Colts here. The injury is everything. It really is. And I think realistically, we've seen these Achilles recoveries where you do really have to get a sense for how a guy can come back that first year.
37:14Gregg Rosenthal:And it really looks unsteady that first year back as miraculous as the recovery surgeries and the recovery time has gotten, it still is such a significant recovery timeline that we've seen guys sort of creak back into their better selves a year after the surgery, or it just takes time. So I think you want to keep them in-house and see, monitor how the recovery is going, but you don't want to necessarily commit to anything long-term until you can see what that timeline actually looks like. And to your point, sometimes the tag can be an on-ramp to an extension, and it's still a significant amount of guaranteed money for a quarterback who really made your offense tick and looked like the right fit for the head coach.
37:58Gregg Rosenthal:So the Colts have so many prove-it situations happening in 2026 infrastructurally that I just think tagging the quarterback is a smart idea.
38:07Jourdan Rodrigue:I just think 47 is too much. It sounds easy for me on the outside. What are they going to do at quarterback if he stares them down and doesn't take whatever they're offering? But to me, if he signs a contract, it's going to be like a two-year contract. And it's not going to be for top money, and it might be backloaded. It's really complicated. And that's why I think they have to consider all options, including not bringing Daniel Jones back if push came to shove. because putting$47 million on your cap for a guy who best case scenario is going to play half this year and probably won't be as good as he was before is really tricky.
38:47Jourdan Rodrigue:So since there's a lot of mutual interest, can you just figure out some sort of compromise that spreads it out? It's a couple years, whatever the contract is. We'll see, but it's fascinating. I'm not totally convinced it's like 100 % he's back, even though it's very likely.
39:03Gregg Rosenthal:Greg, I think that because Daniel Jones played last year's situation so smartly, where Minnesota was clearly interested, probably will be again, frankly. Minnesota was clearly interested in him, and there were people in that building that wanted to keep him, and he went to a place that was better for him in the long run. I just don't think that we can automatically assume he would say, okay, yeah, let's compromise and take two years of something that's easy on your cap. like this is a player who knows he can do the job and um so it would be a leap of faith for the colts saying one year 47 million but maybe you make it up on the back end if you if it works out and you do some more amenable things after the 2026 season i just think that 47 million is not going to look like a long a lot uh in retrospect in a best case scenario if the quarterback ends up working out long term and you can get something good worked out with him it's so complicated because if you're Daniel Jones, how I would think about it is like, I mean, this year's probably not going to go.
40:07Jourdan Rodrigue:His value might go down. It should go down. The odds on him playing 80 % as well.
40:14Gregg Rosenthal:I'd want the tag if I were Daniel Jones.
40:15Jourdan Rodrigue:What? I'd want the tag. Take that guaranteed money, but it's very tricky. If you can get more guaranteed money in a multi-year and then not feel the pressure to earn your market value back in a year And I was talking about this with someone this morning, too, that, yeah, like, I think we forget that, like, he's had a lot of injuries and like counting on him to be great this next year is tricky. And so they got to figure out is Riley Leonard enough. There's a lot to figure out.
40:45Gregg Rosenthal:You're kind of arguing against your own Colts point. Then I know you said if you're Daniel Jones, you think about it this way, but your argument for the Colts, like you don't want to put up that much guaranteed money. OK, well, a long term extension is more guaranteed money than forty seven million. And I know it's a year versus multiple years. But if you know that you just you need him to you need him in your building to understand how his recovery is going. The second he leaves your building, you no longer have access to that data. You don't have any of that information. So it's like, you know, it's kind of if you think he could be your long term solution, maybe you use it as a tool to get to something else is what I would say.
41:21Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, mine is even less maybe about the guaranteed money long term and more just literally just building the team this year in a win now type type of year that. OK, that just goes on the cap, but you can always figure it out, including maybe with a Pittman trade. Brees Hall and Kenneth Walker, I put leaning. Yes, not too complicated there. The running back number is just very low to me. Fourteen point five million. I mean, it's a lot to pay a running back one year. It just feels like that's one less problem for either of these teams to solve. the Jets should not be in the business of just letting good players walk away.
41:54Jourdan Rodrigue:So those seem simple to me, but I guess we'll see with Kenneth Walker. What do you think?
41:58Gregg Rosenthal:I think Kenneth Walker is a no brainer to me. The Brees Hall one, I think is a little more complicated just because the Jets are in badly need of like a vibes improvement. It's very clear. Aaron Glenn is trying to reset in a lot of ways in that building and some of its job saving mode, I think, but some of it's also getting the a little bit of a tonal reset And Brees Hall gave strong indications on social media and in interviews, et cetera, that he wanted out with all those other guys at the trade deadline. Things can always change. But if I'm the Jets, yes, the tag is really enticing. I'm also thinking about, does this guy actually want to be here?
42:37Gregg Rosenthal:So to me, that's the first question that needs to get answered, especially if you're trying to go for, like I said, a little bit of a tonal reset this year.
42:44Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah. The only problem for the Jets with that is if that was their barometer, they wouldn't have a team or maybe even a coaching staff. Nobody wants to be there. Adafi Owe, what a contract year he had. $27.3 million in terms of the franchise tag. He's in my top 10. I kind of went back and forth between him and Boye Mafe as my two favorite edge guys. Top 10 players overall in the game. I just think they value that position so much that it took me a second to get there, but I thought, I don't know. I just think one way or another. It's like almost with all these guys, a long-term extension is more likely than not than a tag, but I just don't think they'll let them walk away.
43:30Jourdan Rodrigue:They can figure out the money later.
43:32Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I think he's on this list probably the strongest extension candidate other than Alec Pierce. But yeah, defensively, I think he's, I mean, to me, you saw how productive they were once he got there. He just, he brings a lot of that system to life up front. Yeah, I think he's an extension candidate.
43:52Jourdan Rodrigue:It's weird because he was in the same system in Baltimore and was generally, I wouldn't say disappointing.
43:58Gregg Rosenthal:But he didn't have the same rushing partners, Greg. That's what it's, that's, there's a lot to that, that I think goes overlooked and kind of maybe blamed on coaching too at times. It's like, you need good rushing partners too. You have to have chemistry with those guys and a plan, a mathematical plan built around what everybody's strengths are.
44:15Jourdan Rodrigue:And Thule, Thule Pelotu is due a long term contract extension. So they have to think about their money. Khalil Mack is also a free agent. So now that I'm talking it out, I feel like he could be in the next category up in the air because there is a scenario where they give Thule the money. They just bring back Khalil Mack, assuming he wants to play for one year. But we'll see. I lean yes in the end. Kyle Pitts, man, I've talked too much about Kyle Pitts on this podcast here. The tight end number is ultimately$16.3 million. And I do think kind of like George Pickens, he's a good candidate for a tag because he's had an up and down career.
44:57Jourdan Rodrigue:In Pitts' case, he's had these injuries, and for a one-year contract, it's kind of perfect for the Falcons to keep an offensive weapon, test drive him with a new staff, and see if he fits with them.
45:11Gregg Rosenthal:This will be his fourth test drive, third test drive.
45:15Jourdan Rodrigue:Right.
45:15Gregg Rosenthal:Trying to go through the math in my head. It's going to be the year. He fit well with Zach Robinson.
45:20Jourdan Rodrigue:It was probably the best thing going for Zach Robinson. He maxed out Pitts. Up in the air, I had Daniel Jones there before. We talked about him. Jalen Phillips would have that same$28 million number at edge. Man, I don't think the Eagles are going to want to let him go. And then Kate Otten, I threw in there at tight end for$16 million because the Bucs are not really in the business of letting their young guys just walk away. And they have a few different options with which they could use the tag, including Jamel Dean. I think would be the most likely not guaranteed because the tricky part is if the tag is 16 million, you're trying to get a contract done, probably averaging, let's say, 12 million.
46:02Jourdan Rodrigue:And so it's this bargaining chip that the players have. So, again, a long term deal, I think, is more likely for both those players. But both Phillips and I think have a chance. Yeah.
46:11Gregg Rosenthal:And you just mentioned it. Zach Robinson's the O.C. down there now is going to need a number one tight end in this offense. Baker Mayfield loves Kate Otten. I think we all were a little disappointed. Kate Auten showed extraordinary promise two years ago and even, you know, splashed a little at the, at the start of this season too. Um, and then kind of disappeared a little bit, you know, like just kind of wasn't everything in that offense was disjointed. But I think if you're Zach Robinson, you're like, is this going to be my, my number one tight end? Um, because you need one, the, the, the, the player, the hinge player, a lot of times in that offense is that guy.
46:48Gregg Rosenthal:So can K-Dotten be that guy?
46:50Jourdan Rodrigue:And yeah, unlike Kyle Pitts, I think he's a guy who, that you're going to feel good about in terms of asking him to block. Pitts is almost just like a big, a big receiver and has value doing that. Jalen Phillips, if he does make it to free agency, in which I always root for that because I want my list to look as good as possible, is my number three player overall. I have Pickens, number one. I have Tyler Linderbaum, number two. and I have Jalen Phillips, number three. I don't think the Eagles let him go, but it's complicated. They have so much going on this offseason. It's really insane and it's really fascinating.
47:27Jourdan Rodrigue:But I think they have a great young player at a position they really value in the building. So they tend to keep those guys. I'm leaning no on the two Chiefs players, Brian Cook, the safety who might be the top safety available and Jalen Watson, who might be the top cornerback available, because in general, they've just let their defensive backs go. But the safety number isn't that big. It's getting bigger, though. It's$20.8 million. That would be a lot for a team that is trying to figure out how they're going to get under the cap. And then I have a long list of guys I'll just say no to and feel free to talk about any of them.
48:05Jourdan Rodrigue:The Ravens, Isaiah Likely, Tyler Linderbaum, Zion Johnson, as I did this exercise, kept climbing up my top 101 list. I still don't think that they would tag him. But man, Jim Harbaugh loves him, and he's probably their best interior offensive lineman, and they're terrible on the interior. So I say no, but it's not crazy. Devin Lloyd and Travis Etienne, I just don't think it makes sense for the numbers, even though they're really good players. They're going to be in my top 20 players overall. Devin Lloyd's in the top 10. Devin Bush had a great season for the Browns, but that's a no. Kenny Gainwell, if you're the team MVP, I'm just going to mention you at least.
48:41Jourdan Rodrigue:Rasheed Walker and Quay Walker both play for the Packers. Rasheed plays left tackle. Quay plays linebacker. I don't think they would tag those guys, but they're intriguing guys coming off their rookie contract. Alante Taylor for the Saints at cornerback. Cam Curl at safety for the Rams. I threw in Kobe Bryant. He would get X'd out there by Kenneth Walker in this scenario. The Seahawks safety probably wouldn't pay him$20 million. Anyway, so those are just some of the names I did not give my franchise tag to. but teams can do it soon. The off season is starting right now. Jordan, who stands out to you out of that list?
49:15Gregg Rosenthal:Actually, what stands out? Well, I didn't mean to actually, but what stands out to me about this list overall is I agree with all of these. I mean, and you look, you're looking at teams that don't, that will are usually pretty smart about not using the franchise tag if they can help it or if there's another financial balance to be earned in another area. I'm looking at Devin Lloyd who had a great year. could be an extension candidate for that reason whereas a year ago he certainly was not but if James Gladstone operates at all like Les Snead which he has so far like they are going to stay as far away from the franchise tag as they possibly can um and same goes for a couple of these guys where you just can't see it financially working out you know Mark Andrews I think he's at what 13 million per year Greg so there's no way that they would also tag Isaiah Likely and come and double up that much money at their tight end position.
50:10Gregg Rosenthal:As much as the position has grown over the last couple of years and how significant it's become in these offenses, it's just not financially something they need to do with all these players who are coming up who can contribute early as like a number two or three tight end.
50:25Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I'll be interested if the tight end market finally corrects itself because it does feel like for their value, they are dramatically underpaid right now. And Devin Lloyd could be an example for the linebackers. And yes, the linebackers get stuck when it comes to franchise tag with a really huge number. It's 28.1 million because they count TJ Watt as a linebacker. So they basically all get thrown in together. So that's good. That means more players ultimately won't get tagged and will just get to the free agent market. I don't mind that it's kind of stupid. It is the regular season. Let's go.
51:02All right.
51:02Jourdan Rodrigue:We did it. We didn't get it under 40 minutes, but we did it, Jordan.
51:07Gregg Rosenthal:Every time you tell me we're going to do it in this amount of time, I always just laugh at you because I'm like, it's us. We're never going to do that.
51:15Jourdan Rodrigue:We will be back later this week, 40s and free agents on Tuesday, and then we're going to go around all 32 teams, Jordan and myself and Patrick Claibon, AFC, NFC, coming up later this week. We will see you then. Regular season. It's back.
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From the publisher
The Miami Dolphins cleared their books on Monday morning. After announcing the release of a bunch of players headlined by wide receiver Tyreek Hill, Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue breakdown what's next for the Dolphins before discussing this offseason's franchise tag candidates, including Kenneth Walker III, Breece Hall, Alec Pierce, Daniel Jones and more!
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