In short
The episode recaps Thursday Night Football: the Giants’ 34-17 upset win over the Eagles, focusing on Jackson Dart’s breakout performance and Cam Scadaboo’s three rushing TDs.
Key claims
Dart’s confidence, scrambling, and “dimes” passing changed expectations for the Giants’ offense; the Eagles’ identity has slipped because they can’t run-block consistently and their defense is thin without key players (notably Jalen Carter inactive, plus Landon Dickerson out).
Notable examples
Dart’s 20-yard TD run; multiple “touch passes” that nearly connected (Theo Johnson, Jordan Humphrey) plus a red-zone DPI that set up Scadaboo’s third TD; Eagles’ failed clock management and a missed Devontae Smith deep shot; interception by Cordell Flott.
Guests
Bijan Robinson (Atlanta Falcons) discusses steady improvement, vision/processing in the run game, Michael Penix’s calm demeanor, team consistency, and his Colgate Total ad.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOEagles vs Giants Game Recap
1:35 to 8:04
Recap of the Eagles-Giants game focusing on key plays and player performances.
“Pass intercepted along the right sideline.”
Dart's Performance and Eagles' Struggles
8:04 to 14:01
Analysis of Jackson Dart's performance and the Eagles' ongoing issues.
“because if you thought the Eagles fans were panicking at 4-0 and then panicking a little more at 4-1, the sky is going to be falling tonight in Philadelphia as the Phillies fly back to the East Coast.”
Eagles Offensive Struggles
14:01 to 15:28
Analyzing the Eagles' inconsistent running game and offensive identity.
“But also on the offensive side, just like you said, there's no running game.”
Jalen Hurts' Performance
15:29 to 18:12
A breakdown of Jalen Hurts' struggles, decision-making, and clock management issues.
“Philadelphia, you get swept by the giants at home, uh, losing twice in three weeks.”
Giants' Game-Changing Plays
18:13 to 21:05
Highlighting key plays by the Giants, including touchdown moments and quarterback performance.
“But, you know, when I watched it, I'm watching on Prime Vision, so you're getting that behind-the-line film angle, and you can see what Jalen was trying to do.”
Eagles Defensive Concerns
21:06 to 23:21
Discussing the Eagles' defensive weaknesses and missed tackles during the game.
“really started to put this game out of reach.”
Giants' Resurgence and Future
23:22 to 26:31
The Giants' resurgence and how they remain competitive despite challenges.
“No, Brian Dable, he's filled with rage and panic when Jackson darts in the tent.”
Greg Newsome Trade Analysis
26:32 to 28:05
Analyzing the surprising trade of Greg Newsome and its implications for both teams.
“I did want to get your thoughts on the Greg Newsome for Tyson Campbell trade, just because we're here.”
Analyzing the Browns and Jaguars Trade
28:05 to 32:03
Discussion on the recent trade between the Browns and Jaguars, including player analysis and team strategies.
“They just didn't see Tyson Campbell as a scheme fit, and he wasn't playing well in this system.”
Interview Begins: Welcoming Bijan Robinson
34:44 to 35:10
Bijan Robinson joins the show to discuss his career, improvements, and team dynamics.
“There's nothing like my American Express Platinum card.”
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Bijan Robinson's Growth and Team Dynamics
35:21 to 42:00
Bijan discusses his growth as a player, team cohesion, and his vision on the field.
“I did want to ask, though, because I've noticed something and I'll run this theory by you.”
Bijan Robinson on Team Consistency and Goals
42:00 to 44:10
Bijan Robinson discusses the importance of consistency for the team's success.
“in such a short season, had a little bit of everything.”
Bijan's Acting Ambitions and Fan Impact
45:18 to 46:10
Bijan shares his interest in acting and how he impacts fans, including a personal story.
“And you said you love having that big smile on your face.”
Transcript
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1:37Nick Shook:Barkley to his right. Motion Smith out. Hurts back. Throws left. Pass intercepted along the right sideline. Racing up the sideline for the Giants. is Cordell Flott. He's to the 40, 30, and knocked out of bounds at the Philadelphia 22. Kurt's picked off for the first time this year. Cordell Flott's his name. Oh, that was Bob Papa on WFAN. You never know what you're going to get on Thursday Night Football. You never know if you're going to get a highlight starring Cordell Flott on a 34-17 Giants victory what an upset what a night at some point nick shook this went from a game that i thought jackson dart had taken a really good step forward to a game where jackson dart is going to get jeremy lynn levels of hype over the next 10 days and he might deserve it because that performance really was incredible by the young giants quarterback yeah only in new york do you get that level of hype after a flash of a moment of success.
2:46Nick Shook:But man, what a great game he had. We talked about this before the season, that Russell Wilson was going to lose his job to Jackson Dart. The writing was on the wall, and we saw why in the preseason, and even in his first game with the Giants, he led them to a victory. But it wasn't overly impressive. He had a nightmarish game in New Orleans last week. This is the exact opposite. He did everything that makes him special and makes him a great fit for Brian Dable as he's trying to save his job. He scrambled. He threw a number of dimes. He passed confidently all night. He shook off a trip to the blue tent in which Brian Dable was enraged that it wasn't moving quickly enough and came back and helped them finish this game.
3:22Nick Shook:I'm not going to go so far as to say that the Giants have their franchise quarterback, but they should feel very, very good about what they saw from Jackson Dart tonight. A huge step forward and leading them to an upset victory. Well, they certainly believe they have their franchise quarterback. That is for sure. And it is a game that was good enough. to change the expectations, I believe, for Dart for this Giants season. Not like they're going to the playoffs or anything like that, but it was special because of everything that you said in terms of what he added to the running game and that it's not just him running 13 times for 58 yards in a key early touchdown where he saved what looked like a dead play.
4:07But it's Cam Scadaboo going 19 for 98 on the ground, like just an electric player to watch run through the face of these Philadelphia Eagles on the way to three touchdowns. And the way that those two have just energized an entire team with a big time assist from Andrew Thomas, an all pro left tackle who returned a few weeks ago and gets better and better every week. But the reason why, for me, it changes the expectations, Shook, is the diversity of what Dart did. You mentioned the first two games, I thought, you know, he looked like a rookie. Like, had some fun moments and everything. This game, the scrambles that he had were electric.
4:49But some of the touch passes that he had, three of his best throws, I actually wrote down, I thought, were not complete. There was the seam ball, the Theo Johnson that he couldn't haul in. There was a really nice touch pass on the goal line to little Jordan Humphrey that he couldn't finish the play. And then he had a great throw in the red zone that was called pass interference late that set up the third Cam Scadaboo touchdown. And between those throws and the shots down the field, he's going to give his guys chances. And he doesn't have a great receiver group right now. There was no Darius Slayton tonight.
5:26So their one and two wide receivers were Wandale Robinson and little Jordan Humphrey. And Jalen Hyatt was out there making a key third down catch. Between that and the ability to just make something happen with his legs, that's enough to build an offense around. And you can see how excited Dable is to build that offense.
5:48Nick Shook:Yeah, and you can see how frantic he was when Dart was, there was a chance of Dart not coming back in the game. Like I tweeted it. I was just like, David would rather walk barefoot over broken glass than play one more series with Russell Wilson because he knows that the difference is just so significant. And did he yell at the guy in the blue tent? Yes, he yelled at the guy in the suit or in the sport coat, at least he yelled. And, you know, who knows what happened with that? We can probably get the details on that later. But it just goes to show how much he believes in Jackson Dart and the beauty of Jackson Dart and why he fits with New York so well is because he made those throws that you just listed with no fear, with complete confidence.
6:24Nick Shook:And that's the quarterback he's been throughout the course of most of his collegiate career. Now that rubs some people the wrong way as if he was overly confident, but it works perfectly in New York where you have to be built to deal with the scrutiny of the New York media. And also the fact that you're playing for the Giants who haven't tasted success in forever. You're going to go out there and lead them to a win over the defending Super Bowl champions, a division rival, and you're going to do it with absolutely zero regard for A, the possible outcomes and be your own health at times when scrambling that's going to win the hearts of giants fans i think it just did tonight and is a huge reason why they won that game and you're right about the scramble that that touchdown run early in the game oh my god that was beautiful like the way he knifed through the eagles defense to get to the end zone you might watch that back and think like wow they really did a terrible job of containing him well zach bond got kind of juked out of his shoes but that takes courage and that takes athleticism that we saw in the preseason that is now coming through in the regular season.
7:19Nick Shook:I'm excited for them. Like you said, not going to be a playoff team necessarily, but they're going to be interesting to watch, entertaining, which is more than we've been able to say about them for a long time. Well, why don't we go watch that one back and listen, shall we? A little more Bob Papa. Will the Eagles bring heat? Dart in shotgun set. Drops back to throw. Escapes. Now he's going to run with it. Puts at the 15. He's to the 10. To the 5. Touchdown, Giants! Jackson Dart! Do-da-do-da-do! 20-yard touchdown run. I like the touchdown celebrations. I like how he undressed Zach Bond in the open field.
7:54He was in a tough spot to try to tackle. Yeah. Jackson's aren't there. But Zach Bond's had a couple rough games, and we're going to get to the Eagles side of this because if you thought the Eagles fans were panicking at 4-0 and then panicking a little more at 4-1, the sky is going to be falling tonight in Philadelphia as the Phillies fly back to the East Coast. And our producer, Chris Babona and Eric Roberts, and heck, me, the Dodger faithful, celebrate a bizarre lucky win for the baseball team. We're also, by the way, going to have Bijan Robinson on the show. Oh, by the way, big time show. But first, we're going to talk about this game.
8:39We have an interview with Bijan coming up a little later. So that touchdown drive was part of a couple sequences, Nick, that I thought were really good by the offense responding. Eagles have a great opening drive where Saquon Barkley rips off his longest run of the year on the very first play, 18 yards, 13 yards the next play for Saquon Barkley. And you're thinking, oh, it's going to be one of those nights. But Jalen Hurts makes a bad decision on an RPO where he keeps the ball, loses a few yards. They end up settling for three and the Giants go down the field on that first touchdown drive. They build what was a 13 to three lead to start the game.
9:18And you're thinking, OK, it's off and running. Meanwhile, Eagles offense like they have all year had one great half of football in them. And that half was the first half. They respond. They get a couple of touchdowns back. Let's actually listen to one of the most comical sequences of the year. The Eagles have a third and like a long two, maybe even three inside the five. They decide to go for the tush push there. Get it close. It was a two play to tush push sequence to get the first down. Like that was the plan. They got the first down and then they just ran it two more times for their touchdown.
9:55As they line right back up in the same formation. Here we go again. Full scrum. Tush push from the one. Boo birds are out. Snap to Hertz. He pushes forward. He drives into the end zone. It's a touchdown. Philadelphia takes the lead with pure, rugged, go-low behavior. That's a great call. That was Jason Bonetti. Haven't heard from him all year on Westwood One with Devin McCourty. Was listening to that on my way back, actually, Shook. I didn't know that it was Devin. I thought it was Jason McCourty. Sometimes it's tough to tell. At that point, they established the tush-bush. Hertz played, I thought, a near perfect first half until the last sequence.
10:40We'll get to that. But looked great, I think, in the first half of this game. And the Eagles stormed back. And you think, OK, the better team now has the lead. Like, I just figured they're going to take over the game. That is not what happened. And I thought the next drive from the Giants was really telling and important in this game.
10:59Nick Shook:Yeah, absolutely. And the way that they capped it. I mean, a 15 play 67 yard march finished off with Camp Scadaboo's first of three touchdown runs. And I think that that is when the game shifted because, you know, the Eagles, they probably encountered a lot of teams over the last year or so in their run of success that would kind of get tired and kind of wilt in the face of, you know, constant pressure from these, this Eagles offense. Like, oh, every time we find success, suddenly you're just going to match us. Like, what do we have to do? The Giants didn't. They did not blink in the face of adversity against the Eagles tonight.
11:30Nick Shook:and that drive right there, it basically captured their mindset going into this entire game, which is that we're going to fight for four quarters. Turns out they only needed like three quarters to fight because it was the Eagles who blinked. It was the Eagles who decided we're going to pack it up and go home tonight and figure things out. Because like you said, they put together one good half. They didn't put together two good halves. It keeps happening that way. And that drive that you mentioned, the 15 play drive, ends with a minute and 19 seconds on the clock. And I was looking back for some key plays in that drive.
11:59But it was actually just four plays at a time, like a third and four to Hyatt, but he's wide open on the sideline for a first down. It's Scadaboo picking up chunks. It was just a very workmanlike drive. The Eagles' four-man pass rush tonight was absent. And it really is striking to me to think a little big picture before we get back into the game flow that so much focus has been on A.J. Brown and Jalen Hurts. And it got quiet in the second half of this game again. But I think Jalen Hurts in the passing game on some level is pretty similar to where it was on average in the regular season last year.
12:40Like it's not a top 10 group. It wasn't last year either. But it's not a bottom 10 group either. It's efficient enough. It's in the middle. What's different, Nick, to me is there's no four-man pass rush that's consistent. And there was no Jalen Carter tonight. We should point out he was inactive for the game. There's no Landon Dickerson either. So that's important for the Eagles. But there's no four-man pass rush like they've always had. And there's not a good running game. And Saquon, after that opening spurt, was shut down. And it's like, that's what's different about these Eagles. And that's what's been good about the Eagles for a decade.
13:12And that's really not there for them right now.
13:14Nick Shook:Yeah, and you're kind of teeing me up to get bashed by Eagles fans who've been in my mentions for a year saying, I've ranked Jalen Hurts too low in the QB index. But that's fine. Because what really matters more than anything is that it starts in the trenches. Like, you know where I'm going to go with this. And tonight proved it. I mean, you lose Jalen Carter. He's not able to play. That's your most important defensive interior player. He's a game-wrecking type of player. You take him out, all you have left there is Jordan Davis. I felt like I was watching a cast of anonymous rushers on the front four for the Eagles.
13:42Nick Shook:Like, the teeth had been taken from their defense. Not to mention, they lost Quinian Mitchell during this game. They're already down. Like, their cornerback situation is rough. At one point, it's Keely Ringo and Adoree Jackson out there, which both of them are a liability. So their defense is banged up. Like they're missing key contributors on that side of the ball. And that's why they couldn't get stops and why they gave up 34 points to the Giants. But also on the offensive side, just like you said, there's no running game. There's been no running game all year. And you come to learn how valuable a player like Landon Dickerson is to this group.
14:09Nick Shook:But that alone is not enough for me. Because losing one lineman can hurt any team, especially a player of Dickerson's caliber. But the way in which they try to get Saquon going is just so inconsistent to the point where they're down, I think, 10 in the fourth quarter. and Kevin Petula is just putting them in five wide, just empty. Just go empty the whole time. Saquon's out there wide one time. A.J. Dillon's out there wide again. He ends up committing a turnover in that situation. And it just makes you wonder, like, where did the identity of the Eagles, a team that was built around the strength of their offensive line in their running game and could build out of that, where did that go?
14:41Nick Shook:And obviously the easy conclusion is all the passing games, you know, disjointed, they're stuck in a rut. Well, yeah, because that's all they can do. Like, we go back to the Rams game. They couldn't stop a nosebleed in the first half. They had to air it out. and luckily they did enough to come back and beat the Rams with a couple of blocked field goals as well. But this has been a concerning sign for now three games, and I don't know if it gets any better anytime soon. No, because Dickerson needs to get healthy. They're a couple weeks away from their bye week. Their schedule is very interesting, by the way.
15:08They go at Minnesota next week, and then they have the Giants again at home. I hate when teams play twice in three weeks, especially if it's late in the year. there is something about this particular situation that we're going to get a replay of this game in two weeks that I do find interesting because you better win that game. Philadelphia, you get swept by the giants at home, uh, losing twice in three weeks. That puts the stakes at that game very high, but I think it was really well said about the line. They just can't run block this year. And it's three interior guys. It's Steen, it's Juergens, and it's Dickerson when he's out there.
15:50And then, you know, the group they had today just wasn't good enough. Because you know who also didn't really get much pressure today? Like the Giants. No. The Eagles offensive line played great. And that's, I mean, in terms of pass protection, that's where maybe you can criticize Hurts and Petulo
16:07Nick Shook:because Jalen Hurts' time to throw was 3.43 tonight. At least when I last checked. I don't know if that was the final number. 3.42 was when I finished that. Yeah. So the same thing. Yeah, that's an obvious sign. I haven't seen a number that high since Justin Fields' rookie year. He went crazy. And Jalen's a guy who usually holds onto the ball longer than the average quarterback already. He's a guy who likes to float around back there and wait for guys to get open. And early in this game, it was working. They ran a Mills concept where he waited for the crosser on the drag to get open, and it got a first down.
16:41Nick Shook:He waited again and kind of improvised, found another guy wide open at the sticks for a first down. It was fine. But in the second half, once the Giants gained a lead, number one, built a 10-point lead, they didn't have to play against the run. They didn't have to try to stop the run anymore. They could just play coverage. At that point, there was nowhere for Hurts to go. And it just undercut this entire offense, which kind of typifies where this entire unit has been for a few weeks now. Right. It's like, just make a decision.
17:09And they're a hard team to talk about because, actually, you made a lot of nice throws in the first half. It's just these little things. The half ends, they get the ball with one minute and 19 seconds left, and they run out of time. He manages it really poorly. Yeah. At one point, he's totally unaware of the clock, trying to get the last playoff. He's, like, jumping back in the shotgun. He is not good in the two-minute drill. I feel like I'm comfortable in saying that. That's the weakest part of his game. He's really bad at the clock management part of it. And that can be blamed on coaching a little bit.
17:42I kind of blame that more on Jalen Hurts. So he's bad at that. And then there's been a play or two each week where you're just, man, that would have changed the game. And that play tonight was when Devontae Smith beat, was it flat? Yeah. By about eight yards. I mean, you cannot be more open. Hertz is on his own goal line when he throws that ball. It's his best throw usually. He misses it by so much. And if he hits Devontae Smith there, I think it's like a 96-yard touchdown. Instead, they punt it away to the Giants who are on a short field, and then they end up taking a big lead.
18:15Nick Shook:Yeah, it was a game-changing miss. But, you know, when I watched it, I'm watching on Prime Vision, so you're getting that behind-the-line film angle, and you can see what Jalen was trying to do. Like, I don't blame this entirely on him. He just sent it too deep. But, like, there's a safety there, and the way that Devontae Smith was running that route, he had to throw it away from the safety, so he tries to put it over his outside shoulder, and it kind of gets Devontae, like, turned around, and he kind of can't track the ball. And especially it's like a Willie Mays style, like over the basket catch, over the shoulder type of thing.
18:47Nick Shook:So it's a tough play to make. But yeah, he missed him by a few yards and it was a pivotal miss in that game because of what unfolded from there. And then the other one that I hate to bring up because I hate to be the guy who sits back and just looks at when guys are open in certain spots in film. But I watched this live and I thought, oh, it worked. And he didn't go to the guy that I thought he was going to go to, which was the pick. It was the Cordell flop pick. Jalen's dropping back and he's eyeing his outside target, the entire time out of the corner of his eye, waiting for him to break so he can throw it.
19:15Nick Shook:First off, he puts the ball on the wrong side of his receiver. He leaves it too far inside, which is why Flott was able to jump the route. Secondly, they run this concept where they run Goddard up to about the sticks and he sits down and it brings the safety down. And AJ Brown's running a crosser right behind him and he's open. And I'm like, man, Jalen, if you didn't decide so quickly that you were going to throw the out as if you're trying to make the safe play, you had a touchdown there. And again, don't like to be the guy who's like, because I don't know where the progression was supposed to dictate that his eyes should be.
19:42Nick Shook:But just looking back in the way that this game kind of melted down for them, I really wish he would have made the throw to A.J. Brown there. It might have changed the conversation with this game. Yeah, you know, it's tough to kill a guy for his first interception in 300 regular season snaps or whatever the crazy stat was. But tonight, that interception killed their chances, killed the game. It was a bad throw. It was a bad decision. And it was a great play by Flott who won that battle in training camp. So that helped put the game away. But we were talking about that sequence, you know, when the Eagles are punting out of their own end zone.
20:20And it sets up what is really the touchdown that made me think, oh, wow, I guess the Giants might just win this game. And this was, I believe, on a drive where, again, third down, Dart was absolute money. the variety of the throws that he had were really impressive to me tonight but he had a nice you know quick like slant up the seam on that drive on the third down that kept it going there was a lot of like just little plays by dart there was the one that he just scrambled uh forever before making a play uh to the wandale robinson uh long long touchdown there was another you know scramble where he avoids having a big negative and he just gets a couple yards in the play he keeps them in a good down in distance.
21:04But let's actually go back and listen to the second Cam Skadaboo touchdown that really started to put this game out of reach. Dart over center. Skadaboo to the back.
21:17Nick Shook:Hand off Skadaboo. Runs to his right. Fighting for the end zone. Can he break the plane? Yes! Touchdown Giants! Cam Scadaboo with extra effort. If you're watching that on YouTube, we appreciate that we are able to show these highlights and we're now re-rolling Jackson Darts, asking for them to call the touchdown. He hears one official, I think, tell the other official who was marking it down at the half-yard line that that's a touchdown, and he just slaps the official five. The official doesn't want it. to happen. But when Kirk Herbstreit is kind of making me roll my eyes and gag a little bit, being like, I don't know, you know, you can't define what's it, but he's got it.
22:05I don't know if that's what Jackson Dart has, but he's a hell of a watch. Like he's entertaining to watch. I love that.
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22:11Nick Shook:Yeah, he's a fireball of a quarterback. I mean, a kid plays with passion and extends well beyond the weird one eye black thing that he does in his face. Yeah, he is very fun to watch. it was also not to pivot this pivot this back toward the negative but um i'm just looking at all the eagles players in the field there were multiple times tonight speaking to their how thin they are defensively right now where i'm like who is 95 who is 94 i even had to double check what number of dory jackson was wearing there like that's not a play that eagles teams of the past get bullied in on the goal line like scadaboo is an absolute rhino of a running back like he's peyton hill is blended with a more athletic and quicker running back like that's who he is peyton hillis could do backflips i mean they might have given him two madden covers for that they would they would get might have given him three if the fan vote just determined all of them uh but like so he's gonna grind you know he's gonna churn up his legs and try to win that battle on the goal line but eagle teams in the past wouldn't have that wouldn't happen to them like that speaks to the fact that jalen carter is not out there and just some of the concerns i have with their defensive personnel overall right now but that's not to take anything away from the giant like the Giants earned this victory.
23:17Nick Shook:It was a victory built on desire, passion, and love for the game as exemplified by their quarterback. You sound like Brian Dable. I mean, Brian Dable. No, Brian Dable, he's filled with rage and panic when Jackson darts in the tent. And then after he gets out, he's out there. He's practically like kissing him on the head. He's headbutting Scadaboo. He's like slapping Dart's head the second he gets out of the concussion protocol tent. It's like, all right. All right, Brian Dable. Yeah. Let's calm down. just a little bit. Well, I think there are some real personnel takeaways for the Eagles. So you mentioned Adoree Jackson's weak tackle attempt on the goal line.
23:54There was also Keeley Ringo, not only giving up a 34-yard pass to little Jordan Humphrey on that first touchdown drive where he kind of mossed him, but giving up a longer pass to Wondell Robinson later in that drive, where then he just doesn't have any effort and he doesn't touch him down. He just watches him and Wandale then gets up and runs for another seven yards. And even in that moment, he didn't even be like, oh, why did I do that? I just was watching him. He just kind of watched it. And the touchdown to Wandale Robinson where Jackson Dart scrambles around and just kind of makes a play. Makuba comes in and just kind of flies after him.
24:34Terrible tackle attempt. Yeah, terrible tackle attempt. And that should have been a tackle at the 28-yard line. Instead, Robinson goes in for a score. Or Howie Roseman had to have been on the phone tonight to go get a cornerback. Because if Quinion Mitchell has a hamstring injury, who knows? Maybe they're just being careful. But those are usually injuries that keep you out a couple weeks. Like he could be out until their bye week and suddenly they're very thin at cornerback.
25:00Nick Shook:Yeah, he should have did what the Jags did earlier this week, which is trade for Greg Newsome. Like you got to make a trade like that. You got to go get a guy. Or trade for Tyson Campbell, whichever one you like better. Apparently they were both available. Yeah, they were both available. Tyson Campbell's under team control through 2029. So I don't know if that fits his salary cap strategy, but he's got to go get somebody because Adoree Jackson was getting torched in week one. Keely Ringo was a liability tonight. They're both out on the field at the same time. You are weaker as a defense. And that missed tackle by Andrew Makubo, who I think is a very promising player, by the way, but got caught a little bit out of position, poor form on the tackling.
25:32Nick Shook:One of 13 missed tackles by the Eagles tonight. That's just not good enough. That's not Philadelphia Eagles football. No, and I just am so glad that the Giants are like back on the board. And what I mean by that is we started the recap show last week talking about like all these one and four teams or even a couple of two and three teams that feel a little dead. That if you got them in prime time, it's going to be less exciting. You know, when we're previewing their games, it doesn't feel like a good game just because they're involved. And you know what with the Giants, even if they lose next week in Denver, which, you know, that's a very tough game and they go to two and five.
26:09But they're just alive. They're just going to be more interesting to watch between Dart, Scadaboo, and the pass rushers they have, who even tonight, they didn't even have a good night, a great night, but they didn't need to. Maybe the strategy was to contain Hurts as a runner, and they did it. Burns did have a couple sacks. I'm just glad they're back in the mix. Okay, that's it for Eagles-Giants. I think we're good, unless you have anything really big to say. I did want to get your thoughts on the Greg Newsome for Tyson Campbell trade, just because we're here. And we didn't hit it. You know, it happened after we taped.
26:42And you're a Browns fan. And I just watched Greg Newsome be targeted quite a bit by Carson Wentz. And did okay in that game, but also gave up some plays. But I think he's had a good season so far for the Browns. What a surprising trade that Greg Newsome goes to the Jaguars, who are in contention here for the AFC South title. and they trade a guy who's under a long-term contract, Tyson Campbell, for Greg Newsom. A rare challenge trade. Newsom is going to be a free agent after this year, whereas the Browns get a guy in Campbell who's cost-controlled maybe about$15 million a year for the next few years.
27:23What did you think of a very surprising trade? A couple of late-round picks were exchanged in it that the Browns get to go higher in the draft, but to me, that was a less important part of the deal.
27:34Nick Shook:Yeah, yeah. it said to me two things it said one the jaguars are very much interested in capitalizing on their hot start on the fact that they're four and one and coming off of a win over the chiefs and they believe the time is now to i guess go all in to a degree um by trading for a guy in newsom who's always played the opposite corner of denzel ward and done a pretty good job um he was not a guy i think the browns were interested in paying long term at the market rate that he was probably going to command but it's also an illustration of where the browns are as a team right now which is that a they are very much open for business and b they'd rather get somebody uh under team control with a fairly friendly contract that that uh that contract kind of bumps up in cap number a couple years from now but it's a low enough number next year that they can get to the end of the watson contract and it's affordable and they have a player that they can line up opposite ward uh before they have to start you know reallocating some of that money elsewhere including to that contract so it's a it's an example of two teams in very different places that picked up the phone and said look yeah we'll send you greg newson as long as you give us a replacement who is like somewhat comparable and i think that they both got that you know they both achieved that in this deal but it was a bit of a surprise given that i thought the most shocking news from the browns this week would be the joe flacco trade turns out they also decided to trade greg newson you know i really liked tyson campbell a couple years ago and as it was explained by John Shipley on si.com.
29:00They just didn't see Tyson Campbell as a scheme fit, and he wasn't playing well in this system. That hasn't. He's a good man coverage corner. That's how he wins. He's not a huge cornerback, but he plays tough. That's the type of football that the Browns play, a lot of man coverage relatively. They had Newsom playing in the slot quite a bit just because that's where they needed him.
29:24Nick Shook:Yep. But the Jaguars see Newsome as a guy who's more of a player who's going to be good in zone with his eyes on the quarterback and looking to be more of a playmaker. And that makes total sense to me. And I think from the Browns perspective, if you could sign Tyson Campbell to a contract in free agency, it would cost a lot more than they're going to pay him. So now they have a guy at what could be a pretty thin position for them next year. So I like it. What I really like about it is that the Jaguars especially are just going to be Rams-like, whereas if they think they can improve their team, they're just going to go do it.
30:01Forget about convention. I know they're in the mix, and it's kind of unconventional to trade a starter for a starter in the middle of the season like this. Who cares? They're just trying to get better for now and the future. And if they really love Greg Newsome, they can put the franchise tag on him or figure out a contract with him in the future.
30:17Nick Shook:Yeah, they have the opportunity to do that if they like him. and the zone versus man thing i think is good because if you look at what they did against the chiefs 73.9 zone coverage on monday so you're absolutely right about the scheme fit there is one adjustment that greg newsom is going to have to make jim schwartz encourages his players to celebrate every success greg newsom built a reputation in cleveland for dancing rather expressively after the smallest of victories in which a throw might have been five yards over the head of the guy that he was covering but he's still going to celebrate seat belt he had this like guitar strumming celebration jacks fans you're either going to see a lot of greg newsome celebrating on some big or small plays or he's going to have to tone it down with the jaguars yeah i feel like i feel like they will uh support that endeavor oh what man uh was not expecting to talk about that but it came up and uh i love it i'm in a great mood because it was uh it was a great night of sports a big upset victory on tnf uh the two-lane green wave after blowing a ton of red zone opportunities get a late touchdown and escape and get a much-needed win five and one baby you know they're in the mix and um most importantly colleen wolf uh represented all the philadelphia fans out there that said this day of sports can go straight to hell and burn forever Actually, I have nothing against Philadelphia fans in general, but I was rooting against the Phillies tonight.
31:42And look, the Eagles, they've had enough fun over the years. The NFC East is suddenly very interesting. The commanders are feeling a little better. The Cowboys are thinking, hmm, what's possible? Even the Giants, I think, are looking at this NFC and just wondering. You never know. It's a long season. We're going to take a quick break here, Shook. Great job tonight. and we're going to listen to an interview. I'm very excited for our listeners to hear this. We got Bajan Robinson on the show. We taped this on Wednesday, so it's both me and Jordan Rodrigue talking to Bajan Robinson. You will hear our conversation.
32:22He was great after the break.
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35:20very excited to welcome in bajan robinson of the atlanta falcons uh one of my favorite players to watch since the day he entered the league good good to talk to you bajan yeah absolutely good to talk to you guys as well i appreciate you guys for having me some people's favorite players since you know texas but greg's only counting nfl stuff i mean it's fine i guess It's a little unprofessional to just be like calling people your favorite player right off the top. I did want to ask, though, because I've noticed something and I'll run this theory by you. I think you've improved steadily like each season.
35:56You obviously came in at a very high level. And I think seeing that gradual improvement each and every year to me is pretty noticeable. But because it's been gradual, I don't think maybe like the average fan has seen like, oh, this is his breakout season because it's been so steady. what do you think uh you've improved the most that since you entered the league yeah i would say just my confidence and you know the game very much slowed down for me um you know obviously it's a process from your first year to your second year and then to your third year and when when everything starts to you start to see everything at a different pace at a different speed and you know that's that's what i feel like it's happening for me right now um which is such a blessing because like you know God's gave me a gift to do so many things on the field so me to get to exploit that and and help my team win and do it at a high level is it's been great but yeah I even tell people like even even from college um from your first year to your third year you know there's a difference so it's the same thing for the NFL and it's been it's been fun man.
36:59Bajan I really like watching how you see your gaps open up and how you maneuver and sort of manage. It's very, it's artistic, but it's decisive at the same time. You guys run a lot of stuff out of pistol. I know Zach Robinson well from, from back here in LA. And I know he really appreciates you being able to see everything laying out and unfolding in front of you, almost like how a quarterback would in the gun. Right. So can you kind of explain what that is to you to be able to kind of see the portrait unfold and then pick your spots accordingly when you can see everything in front of you like that?
37:34Yeah. I mean, well, first off, like, it's the O-line that helps me do all that. You know, those guys up there are tremendous when it comes to communication, when it comes to, you know, finding those slips and passing off blocks and getting to the second level and making those cuts happen. Like, it's all those guys at the end of the day when it comes down to it. And for me, it's just, you know, using my vision and just anticipating what's coming before it even happened, before the play even starts. And for me, like, you know, it's very important to use my eyes at a very high level and to manipulate linebackers, safeties, de-linemen, just every one of them.
38:14Because when I do that and when I'm controlling the pace of the game, then everything else is taking care of itself. So, you know, it's a really big, you know, thing in my game that I really take pride in. and obviously I want to continue to up that level and just use that gift at a high level. Yeah, I love that you said that because it's not something you can really quantify. You can feel when you take over with what you're seeing and kind of when you hit that flow a little bit, like you're just seeing it really well and you're hitting the hole where you need to and setting those guys up. And I guess I wonder what that shift feels like and can your teammates feel it when you're feeling it?
38:51Oh, absolutely. I mean, everybody in the stadium can feel that just because you just kind of know like all right like something's happening um and and it's like this is a gradual pace of you know we we want to dominate on the field as an offense and you know as as we get the run game going then the pass game opens up then when the pass game gets going and the run game opens up so we just play complementary ball um with with each other on this offense and like you said with z rob you know he he's so big into playing complementary football and making sure that we're affecting the game in both run game and pass game and that's just that's just our identity um and for us to continue to be consistent with that like knowing the details knowing the little things that we're supposed to do and even with me being in the pass game as well like me knowing those kind of details as well is very important for us to be the team we want to be but then be the offense we want to become too so when you're in one of them in the middle of one of those runs where you're throwing like three different jump cuts in the same exact run it's like playing frogger like do you see where the play is going to go are you thinking one cut ahead when you're making that first cut absolutely like when i'm in the first cut i'm already seeing the second level and where i need to go for the second one if i have to make another cut or if I just got to get vertical right away.
40:14Because if I, if I make that first one, then I'm leaving an area that was closed, but there's still a lot of defenders on that side of the area for me to make another jump cut. So I can, you know, try to find that crease, but you know, it's just, like I said, like, it's all, it's all in my vision and the vision that you have to run with and that I've been blessed with. And, you know, I'm going to continue to get better at that as, as the season goes on. But yeah, man, like when I'm trying to set up my blocks and everything like that that's that's that's where it comes from you know you mentioned kind of that shared feeling that you can get when things are going well as a team this is something I've been dying to ask you because I heard Leonard Floyd talking about in training camp how Michael Penix talks a little smack and you would think you know interviewing him in the past and all that he's he's quiet and all of that but you keep hearing these things coming out of Atlanta that he's he's chattering he's talking to the defense.
41:08Can you kind of peel the curtain back on that a little bit? Like, what's he really like when he's feeling it, when he gets going? Yeah, I mean, he's super, super calm and collected. Like, that's Mike. That's his game. That's who he is as a person. And for him, I mean, yeah, like when the moment presents itself and when there's a different thing, like maybe he might say a couple things, might say a couple words. But in all aspects of it, he's so locked into what he has to do. He's still locked into his process. Like, you know, you might not get that a lot out of him, but if you get it out of him, that means he's just on a different level, ready to game, ready to go.
41:44And, you know, it's been fun to watch. It's been fun to see. It's been fun to just be a part of because, you know, he's so talented, but not only that, he's so smart in his process and how he goes about it. So it's been fun. I look at this team and think how you've already, in such a short season, had a little bit of everything. Like you had you had a dominant primetime win. You had a like a heartbreaking loss in week one, which was back and forth division rivalry game. You had a rough game in Carolina where you guys got shut out and then you had an offensive explosion. And your defense has been pretty consistently good, I would say, for the most part throughout.
42:22So make the case, Bajan, of like where this team is going to go and why you can accomplish some of the goals. I know you guys have set out for yourselves. Yeah, I think the biggest thing for us, as you just said, is for us to be consistent. You know, we have to be consistent for this season. We have to take everything one game at a time, like not look ahead. You know, we have to make sure that we're in the moment of this game, of this week, of every single day. Because I feel like when we start looking ahead and we start winning the games complacent, and that's when we lose, that's when we get shut out.
42:56So it's very important for us to continue to play with that edge, continue to play for each other as a team, play for God, like play for everything that we're supposed to do. Because when we do everything the right way, you know, everybody sees the result that we put out. But if we're not doing things at our standard or not doing it the way we want to do it, then, you know, that's when bad things happen. So that's the most important thing for us as a team, as individuals. And, you know, we really came together during that loss against the Panthers. And it really changed the direct, you know, how we just look at the rest of these games, how we look at each other as a team.
43:37And it just really brought us closer together so we can be at our best. You're going to be in the center of the NFL the next couple of weeks. Primetime games against the Bills, against the 49ers. The 49ers one's going to be on Sunday night football. I love a little like Falcons in the center because y 'all have like the best fans, I think just about in the league. Like they're crazy. and just more Falcons fans in my mention, the better. That's it. That's it. They're amazing, man. They bring the energy every game. It's cool. Tell us what you're doing here. You're starring in a new ad. So speaking of primetime games, you have an ad that's actually going to be going up with Colgate Total during TNF.
44:19How do you like your life as an actor? Man, it's been fun, man. Like, even doing that commercial with Colgate And even now just partnering with Colgate and the total active prevention system is just been amazing. You know, with the toothbrush, the toothpaste and the mouthwash, like, you know, I take it so important. I take it so serious because, you know, I'm such a positive guy. I love to smile. I love to to make people happy. So I need to make sure my teeth and my gums and my oral health is is that as at all at all time high. So, you know, partnering with Colgate has been nothing but amazing.
44:52but onto your onto the ad you know for tomorrow you know premiering on on nfl you know thursday night prime time is going to be just amazing to to for people to see that and for people to want to buy and get the the total after provision system um it's going to be even better uh so it's going to be a good time tomorrow and i can't wait for everybody to see it that's pretty cool bajon if i am remembering correctly you're pretty interested in acting right like you have some experience with it and atlanta i mean that's a big there's a lot of studios a lot of movies being made over there am i remembering that correctly no you're right you're right i i definitely um getting into it a little bit as i can um and i have like friends and people that like are in it now so it's been it's been cool to see their process and you know hopefully one day um i can do the same thing love it well hopefully long long long time from now because we're having so much fun watching you.
45:44Yeah, it'll be a while. And you said you love having that big smile on your face. You're putting smiles on the face of a lot of football fans around the country, including my son Walker, who you're just like anchoring and dominating for his fantasy football league. Yes. Yes. You just made his entire year. Appreciate you. Thanks for talking. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. Good talking to you guys.
46:13Oh, that was a great talk. Always cool. When one of your favorite players turns out to be a really cool guy. Great show tonight. Was really excited to break down one of the biggest upsets, maybe one of the biggest season-changing wins of the season, Giants over the Eagles. We will be back on Sunday night. Yes, Shooky and Jordan and Patrick and myself recapping Week 6. See you then.
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Did Jaxson Dart and Cam Skattebo really just do that to the defending Super Bowl champions??? Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook recap an absolutely dominant win from what looks like a new-era New York Giants over the Philadelphia Eagles. From the G-Men's good to the Philly suspect, the NFL Daily duo has you covered on all of the major takeaways from Thursday Night Football. Plus, Atlanta Falcons star running back Bijan Robinson stops in for an interview with Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue. Robinson takes us inside the head of an NFL RB, including how he decides to make his signature jump cuts when running downfield. Bijan's development, expectations for this Falcons team, and much, much more from this interview with one of the NFL's best.
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