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22:58Jourdan Rodrigue:It's only 28 years old. We're going to have to get like Arthur Smith's favorite player back in return. For example, I think that those are all part of the equation here. Yes. I mean, they, both sides got a lot, But I think both sides ultimately gave up guys they were okay giving up. The thing was like, I know Arthur Smith likes Jonu Smith, but the fact that the Dolphins immediately pivoted and were in reports for asking around about tight ends because they just traded Jonu Smith, I was like, why didn't you just keep Jonu Smith? You could have stared the Dolphins down on this deal. They would have just done Minka for Jalen Ramsey in some form or fashion.

23:36In the end, they got a move up from the fifth to seventh round, basically, for Jonu Smith. And so that didn't make any sense to me that you signed like Darren Waller out of retirement to make up for it. I don't know.

23:48Jourdan Rodrigue:That makes sense to me though, because Darren Waller and Frank Smith, who's the OC over there, have a really powerful connection. Obviously they were like deeply in need of the tight end position, but also Darren Waller, if there's one coach in the NFL who's going to convince Darren Waller to like come back and give it yet another try, but also to have a past precedent of putting his best foot forward. And they have a really cool, powerful relationship from back when Frank was in Las Vegas. This is something that did not surprise me at all to see that. If you need a player, if you need a tight end, but you also have to make sure that he's going to be consistent and stick with the team, for example.

24:28How did it not surprise you? He was retired. He was making the worst music video I've ever seen. Because I've talked to Frank Smith about him.

24:37Jourdan Rodrigue:And their bond is like a really special thing. Frank really helped Darren through a lot of some of the worst parts of his life. And like, if you need somebody and you're going to call someone, anyone off the street, yeah, you're going to look for the coaching connections there. So, I mean, no, it's not like we were going to mad lib it out of nowhere. But seeing it, I was like, oh, yeah, Frank's over there. So that makes a lot of sense. And he is very cheap. We don't know what the contract is, but it said up to five. Usually up to is doing a lot of work. Yeah, and he's not going to take away from any other types of micro rebuilds that you need to do at the position, too.

25:12Jourdan Rodrigue:You got a guy in the spot, but you're probably not going to stop there, right? And so now you're not having somebody who's going to just sort of take away from whatever else you decide to do next. Yeah, they signed a guy, Pharoah Brown, who's been a blocking specialist that was on the Patriots a year ago. And yeah, Darren Waller is only 32 years old. For some reason, I thought he was older. He did have a lot of injuries. He is extremely athletic, and even with the Giants, like, produce some. So the Dolphins are funny because every Dolphins move in isolation always kind of makes sense to me, and a lot of them actually have worked out pretty well, but they're very much run like a fantasy football roster where, like, how everything matches together doesn't seem to matter and, like, one year to the next doesn't seem to matter and that they're generally less than the sum of their parts.

26:04I mean, they're taking shots. I don't know if you saw Asante Samuel. I guess you call him senior now talking about the Dolphins. I mean, Asante Samuel Jr. was thinking about signing there. But basically, Asante Samuel, the former Patriot, like called Mike McDaniel and Chris Greer like weak, like that they can't handle their players, that they don't know what they're doing. I'm just like, man, I don't know.

26:28Jourdan Rodrigue:It is a big and probably very pivotal year for everybody in the Dolphins building. I would say that. Right. And it's similar when you trade away Jalen Ramsey, who didn't want to be there. And then I see a headline over the last couple of weeks where it was like, Cater Kohu knows he needs to step up as the leader of the cornerback room. And I'm like, ooh. Cater Kohu is a nice story. An undrafted guy who's a good nickelback, but he's your best cornerback. and then you're asking Minka Fitzpatrick to kind of solve all these other problems. We'll see if he's able to do that. Here's what I'm curious about.

27:05Jourdan Rodrigue:When you are so blatantly, and they have been for the past couple of years, when they had their speed identity, that was, you could very much tell. They had speed and timing offense with Tua when Tua was healthy with Tyreek and Jalen. And they didn't run the ball enough in the winter, but they could run the ball. They had a creative attack. um it's interesting when you see the deviation from that to now it's like this mishmash of different thoughts different models of team build different strategies different and some of its injuries with the quarterback sure but factoring that aside it just doesn't feel like this is a coach in a front office that's on the same page with one another like it feels like each one of them has an idea of what they want the team to be and they like are in separate offices and like that's it like I just I'm not that's not me reporting anything it just what it looks like on paper is like they just don't seem to be rowing in the same direction you know and ownership is doing some stuff over here like it's a lot head on his yacht you know like in terms of you know veteran players coming out of retirement here here was the quote by the way by Asante Samuel shout out to him like if you look at the interception leaders of the the 21st century which is something that I did while doing my research.

28:24Asante Samuel Sr. I think he's at the top. He's a playmaker. He wasn't going to make my list or anything, but he was on the top. He said about the Dolphins, the reason they had to get rid of Jalen Ramsey is because they were too sensitive. They're sensitive. There's no leadership. Mike McDaniel is a pushover. Chris Greer, the GM, has no backbone. They're running this team like a Little League team. That's fire. I love it. We need more analysts that will just go off. that uh eric roberts lets us know uh some of the trade targets that hit from me and bill at the beginning of the offseason of course um george pickens that was a good one uh debo samuel that was a good one somehow um bill pointed out joe tooney no one saw that coming i mean that was that was a home run uh minka fitzpatrick what was a fun one you know davanti adams didn't get traded but that was close dk metcalf uh we got and then bryce huff was like a smaller one that we hit so we're definitely doing that episode next year you mentioned uh tj why yes i have a question for you

29:25Jourdan Rodrigue:before we get to that so when you were going for your 25 of the last 25 years were you when you were like in pro football reference looking at you know different filters of like ages and stuff what what was going through your head when you came across players who like you almost had had almost forgotten about or if you had and you're like oh yeah that guy and then you realize they're like the same age as you? Like what was going through your mind when you had those little moments? Are you trying to call me old? Like I'm aware of it. I mean, I, I, that's why I embrace this, uh, challenge. Cause I started covering the NFL full-time in 03.

30:02So I was like, this is it. Yeah. Like these guys are great decade.

30:06Jourdan Rodrigue:This is the Greg century. It's fine. Forties underrated. I definitely had multiple moments and that's, I think that's what you're looking for in your summer break where I was like, took a step back. And I was like, these are the good old days. They're happening right now, like a year ago at this time. You know, Emika is not totally healthy. And who knows what's going to happen with the future of the show. And so I've always liked getting older. At some point, I think that's going to end, but I don't think I'm there yet. That's my serious answer to your goofy question. And you know what? This is all I wanted.

30:41Jourdan Rodrigue:I finally baited you and you finally took the bait. I wanted Ernest Greg. I'm like, just give him a rest. Give him a break. Two weeks with his family, you know, soaking up the good vibes, you know, getting some sleep, not working. I'm going to get Ernest Greg. I'm going to get him. All season long. It's Ernest Greg. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be back and talk to you.

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35:45Back on NFL Daily. I can't wait to get back to the west side of Los Angeles where the weather's perfect. It's not like 95 degrees every day and humid like it is over here. I mean, it is the one downside of coming here every summer. I do love Tokyo, but it's like you're missing California at the very best time. But that is some high class problems to be complaining about. Speaking of which, TJ Watt. TJ Watt on the trade block. At least that's like the reporting. What did you make of like there's been back and forth over the last couple of weeks, the latest one being Mark Cavoli, who covers them for Pat McAfee's show and has covered that team for decades at this point and saying that the Steelers have been quietly gauging TJ Watts trade value.

36:33Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, it just feels like a lot of posturing to me. I mean, if this drags into camp, also fine because it's TJ Watt. And so why not give him some time off, some snaps off? you know, delay the wear and tear into when you actually need him. I think I would be surprised kind of just watching him for as long as we have. And then that whole family, the competitiveness of that entire family, like, yes, obviously get what you are owed. If you're a player, I am always on team, get what you are owed. But also this team has made it clear with all of their off season moves that they're operating on a one year mindset right now.

37:12Jourdan Rodrigue:Right. And so I think that if you're TJ Watt and you're like, OK, if they're really as all in on actually making a run or trying to this year or breaking past this like middle ground that they've constantly been stuck in for so long, then OK, you can maybe rejoin camp when you are ready after some time of making a statement about, you know, why you're not there. and really give it everything you've got to try to help this team get to the next level and hopefully the level after that. Because you have to look at this team now, everything they've done, you have to basically wipe out all of this multi-year conversation.

37:52Jourdan Rodrigue:Even with the Metcalf stuff, you have to wipe all of it out because you're looking at a one-year team build now. This is what it is. You've gone all in, quote unquote. First of all, trying to go for quarterbacks, of high status and being interested in a possible Matthew Stafford situation, getting to Aaron Rodgers, thinking that he's got what it takes, got what's left in the tank to really try to go out, first of all, the right way for him, but then also to push this team, going after the superstar receiver, going after the superstar corner. I really think that you have to throw out everything about the 2026 onward of this roster and look at what they're doing right now, because clearly that's where they're going to operate.

38:38Jourdan Rodrigue:So you revisit the conversation, I think, if you're TJ Watt, you know, get what you want this year. And I don't think anybody needs to go be as dramatic as to go for the full trade. Now, if you go for a teardown after this season, sure, maybe then you get serious about trade conversations. But for now, I think it's all posturing. Right, because when Caboli says that the second, you know, they'd have to consider a second round pick eventually, he almost made it sound like one was on the table. Who knows? um do would you because that second round pick is going to be the same in in march as it is now you don't get to use it in between so i it that seems crazy to me the the downside for tj watt is he's coming off easily like the worst half of a season that he's ever had where he did not look his his best i mean he's a guy who who made that top 25 players the last 25 years probably the most surprising to me that i ended up putting him on but then when i i looked at the resume at a at a hard time.

39:31Steelers fans, louder than any other fan base about any choice, got some coverage that Troy Palomaro did not make the list. And that was a tough omission. That was a tough omission. There were a lot of tough omissions. The one I actually regret the most was the guy you covered was Von Miller. That was the only one where I was like, if I had to do it again, I think I would find a way to somehow get Von Miller. But man, it was tough to take any of those guys off.

39:57Jourdan Rodrigue:Can I ask you about Bobby Wagner? Like, what was your thought process with him as well? Yeah, he was in the top 40, certainly. I mean, when you look at like 26 to 40, it's crazy. If you were just going off all pros, he's very close to right there. His very peak was special, but I think his very peak to me just wasn't as long as certainly the Keekly or Ray Lewis who made it as his position and was too maybe similar to Fred Warner was probably the other one I even just thought a little bit about but he was Wagner because of his longevity like had to be considered he was he was in the mix well I love the series um I was driving listening to most of it throughout my um my small travels through this break and like I loved it um when Kevin Harlan was on talking.

40:51Jourdan Rodrigue:First of all, I could hear you smiling the whole time I was listening. I wasn't watching. I could literally hear you grinning like an eight year old the entire time you're talking to him. And he was so nice. And he gave you it was so cool. He gave you so many compliments, like subtly through the course of that interview. I don't know if you've listened to it back, but it's so great. And then like him talking about like Aaron Donald, for example, right? Like just about the work ethic and the sustained excellence and the small details that most people don't see when they're thinking about greatness or legends and they're only looking at stats.

41:30Jourdan Rodrigue:I love that you guys considered so many of those extra details for every player, not just for him. And I have to say selfishly, too, I went through and I looked at your finished list and I'm, you know, I'm going through a big transition here, work, life, all of that stuff. stuff and I'm like oh my god I got to cover so many of these guys like I I got to watch them practice every day like I got to watch them go to work and achieve these levels of greatness in this like maniacal disposition and way that it's very hard to explain to people who don't get to see it up close and like every single one of those guys like Julius Peppers Luke Keekly Aaron Donald like Like those guys, I just, it was cool.

42:14Jourdan Rodrigue:Vaughn Miller. I mean, you didn't have him on, but it was just, it was so cool to hear this conversation. And like, it made me feel very grateful, to be honest, that we're living in a time with this kind of excellence. And I know I sound like Kevin Harlan, which is also what I loved, that he was so grateful to like be experiencing all of it. It just, it made me happy. The whole thing. I loved it. Well, we got Ernest Jordan back in the house. I mean, it's kind of always in the house. She is, I know. She never left. No, you've over-indexed in covering all-time greats. Some of these teams did. Panthers and Browns, weirdly, over-indexed, considering they haven't won that that much in these great, great players.

42:54You mentioned the Steelers. Everything's about this year, and yet they are a team that never makes any changes. Omar Khan, their GM, was signed through 2028 to an extension. Mike Tomlin's not going anywhere. Stop talking about it. Unless, for whatever reason, he wanted to go somewhere else, but he's just shown no reason to think that's the case. Ryan Poles, the Bears GM, that was a little more curious, got an extension to match Ben Johnson's one through 2029. Normally, I would say, like, these contracts don't mean that much, because you can always just rip it up. But the Bears don't always have a history of ripping it up.

43:27I guess they have with coaches lately, less so with GM. So, man, Ryan Poles through 29 and Omer Khan through 28. It's fine.

43:35Jourdan Rodrigue:yeah and I think the timing of that I don't know it feels like it's felt quietly like this you know Ryan Poles went out and obviously got the quarterback that they think will be the next great star in Chicago um he went out and got the head coach that everybody else wanted for multiple coaching cycles um I think that's to his to his credit um there's also been you know issues with personnel selection, especially up front with the last iteration of this offensive line. There's been issues with coaching and assistant coaching selection, maybe letting that previous regime have too much say over who their assistants were that they brought in.

44:17Jourdan Rodrigue:To me, this feels like a Ben Johnson statement almost. It's like you're here with Ben Johnson as long as Ben Johnson wants to work with you. If Ben Johnson can, in fact, be the coach that they think he is, it's a very it's a very interesting dynamic the way that these coaching and GM timelines constantly like ebb and flow across each other in terms of who is really in control and who has the power at any given moment um so them being aligned like this we're gonna see over the next couple of years and I'm interested in that yeah Ben Ben Johnson's in control reminds me a little bit of uh the less need uh Sean McVay timeline with uh Matt Eberfuss playing the role of Jeff Fisher in this situation And yeah, it's on polls to make it work with his coach because the coach is the important guy.

45:03Now, let's go to something Terry McLaurin said this week. He seems at this point likely to not be at training camp when it opens for the Commanders next week. Yeah, I've been pretty frustrated. I'm not going to lie. You know, everything that has transpired up until this point has been disappointing and frustrating. You know, I've wanted to continue my career here. I've created my life here.

45:28Jourdan Rodrigue:My wife and I have bought our first home here. So this has been somewhere where I've always wanted to be. That is courtesy of J.P. Finley at NBC there in Washington. So that's one that we'll probably be hearing a little more from, I think, in the next couple of weeks in terms of him maybe either holding in or something going on. We will see what happens with Terry McLaurin. So bad news in the NFC, too. over the last couple of weeks that Tristan Wirfs, the all pro, got surgery. That was a surprise. He was supposed to be back for the start of training camp, but his knee didn't respond as they expected.

46:05And he's probably going to miss the start of the season, according to Rick Stroud of the St. Petersburg Times. So he might actually miss the first four or five games of the season. Yeah. All for a left tackle.

46:15Jourdan Rodrigue:And I'm going to really be rude to you because you've been on the other side of the world. But do you know who will be replacing him, Greg, without Googling it for at least the first couple of weeks of the season? his name is very familiar to me. Uh, Charlie Heck, I think. Yes. You got it. Yes. Charlie Heck. Yeah. The swing tackle. He he's been a little bit of a journey man recently, former fourth round pick. Um, but I was texting some people over there and they were really impressed with like, cause it kind of came as a surprise. It seems like to a lot of people and unfortunate, obviously we're so high on the bucks offensive line.

46:51Jourdan Rodrigue:They're so well built. They're really, really well coached as well. And like, apparently Charlie Peck has come in and just been like, yeah, you know what? I'm going to do my best and I'm going to be a pro and I'm going to fit in with the guys, even though they've all been a collective longer than I've been here. And I just I think that at least building that continuity as early as possible into training camp and him staying healthy is going to be really important. Yeah, they are a team that I think is built from the offensive line out. and Tristan Wirfs, if you're doing a draft of offensive linemen right now in the NFL and you have all the GMs involved in it, there's a pretty good chance, I think, Wirfs gets taken first overall the most amount of times, that he's that good, he's that valuable.

47:37So that's a big loss for them and what I'm expecting to be a great offensive season. But it's not like he's going to be out for the whole season.

47:42Jourdan Rodrigue:Huge blow to my Bucs believership. I mean, it's a month. I still believe. I think it'll be fine. But, you know, I'm I am high on the Bucks this year. Shout out to Kevin Clark, who made the most shocked and incredible facial expression I think I've ever seen from another human. When I said the Bucks were Super Bowl contenders this year in the championship tier. So, oh, yeah, come on. That's Kevin. Great guy. I mean, he's selling you there. I love it. I love it. But they are. I agree with you. that's the expression I'm giving you so there Kevin I have home court advantage on this show uh you know what one other item that that did make it all the way over here I was at lunch with Maurice Jones Drew and his beautiful family all his kids there he texts me like a couple days before he gets to Tokyo he's like hey are you in Tokyo like I'm like yeah he's like hey we should hang out i'm gonna be there for a couple days so we went to there's like a restaurant here where you can i mean it it's kind of ridiculous but you can fish inside the restaurant um they actually make you know little fake rivers and you fish while you're in the restaurant and then you eat the fish that you catch and you better be ready to eat it because some of those fish are way more expensive than the others and the second you catch it like you got to eat it so don't catch too many fish like we did because you know you're paying for all those fish um but he is the one that told me maurice uh that najay harris was in a fireworks accident and this was three four or five days before it came out in the news and i think that was a common thing in nfl circles because people talk to people and i think there was initial word that it was maybe really bad but at least according to our guy in rapaport it's something that will not prevent him from starting the regular season, even if he misses the start of training camp.

49:39But it was a fireworks accident where he took an eye injury, which is just.

49:44Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, that's so scary to me. I don't do fireworks. I don't F with them. I don't like them. I think they're stupid. I mean, this is my this is my hot take. Like they scare the crap out of my dog. They seriously injure people. It's they're often not worth it, in my opinion, to go and sit in traffic and then go sit in, you know, amongst everybody else's conversation and cigarette smoke and go watch them. Like, no, not for me. Not I. Hot take. Yeah, I don't want to be anywhere near them. Now, if you're getting me without like a tough parking situation and I can just, you know, go down and like watch that with my no, I'm saying can I just watch it from afar on the beach and it was easy enough to do like I'm fine with it, but I'm with you.

50:27And it was on almost the 10-year to the day anniversary, I believe, of Jason Pierre-Paul's career changing when he had that fireworks accident that was only in my head recently where he lost part of his finger and really sidetracked him for a minute before he rebounded because he's trying to make a comeback. I don't know. I happen to see that. He's trying to make a comeback after being out of the league for a year. So good luck to him, but good luck to Najee Harris. Hopefully everything is OK there. And then just a couple little nugs that Juwan Jennings of the 49ers wants a contract. We're already seeing these pup reports like Mike Williams, for instance, the Chargers, because they're starting camp today, Wednesday.

51:08He is now on the pup list, which you can be taken off from any time. It just means he's not healthy enough to start camp. And the Chargers also getting some notice that, you know, their second round pick is not in camp yet. missed the entire week of their rookie kind of onboarding training camp because almost no rookies in the second round are signed. This is wild. Like 30 second round picks have not been signed largely because the Texans gave a fully guaranteed contract to their pick, the number 34 overall pick. And now everyone behind them is kind of being pressured to maybe do that or come close to match that.

51:46And it reminded me a little bit of the Derek Stangley contract because that contract was so high by the Texans that it actually kind of forced the Jets to step up to the plate. So shout out to the Texans actually for treating their players.

51:56Jourdan Rodrigue:I know this is the opposite of the Shamar Stewart situation where you're worried about setting a bad precedent for all the players that come after you specifically in that building in terms of how the team handles the guarantees. Well, this is the opposite. The Texans are like, yeah, sure. Have all the guarantees. Now everyone else is like, hey, wait a minute. And I want that, you know, seems like a good thing. it's not even how much money is it even the second round pick? I know I'm saying it's, it's a positive. It's a good thing. No, I agree with you. Yeah, I totally agree with you. Okay. It's$11.7 million for four years for the 34th player of the draft.

52:33Like if for whatever reason he doesn't make it to like the fourth year, like you're paying like a situational pass rusher that much for one year. And this is the 34th pick in the draft. if you can take that tiny little risk that your pick wasn't so great, you should believe in this guy. I mean, that's, that's nothing. I think these, these second round picks should be guaranteed. Rookie contracts are low enough. Actually, they should all be guaranteed. How about that?

52:58Jourdan Rodrigue:There you go. Not a hot take. In fact, an incredibly fair take. Yeah. A fair take. This was fun. It is great connecting with you again, Jordan. It's great to see you. It's nice to know you're alive. We will do it in person again. I'll bring out Ernest Gregg a little bit. We'll have Colleen in the studio. Hopefully we got to tell her that next week. And we got to find her first. You know, we have a big, a big week of shows. We're going to be going to our first training camp, Cowboys training camp later in the week. So that'll be really fun, too. And before that, we're going to hear from you and J.J.

53:31Jansen from the Panthers on all the training camp myths. So I can't wait for that. Can't wait to get on the plane. Thank you, Jordan. Thank you, Eric, for keeping the fire burning back home and getting those top 25 episodes out. There's something sick in me because when I see like these Mike Williams was placed on the PUP list transaction types, like I know football is back and I feel better about myself.

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