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20:51Our feeds are very different. Now there's just two Twitters essentially which was not what I wanted uh and then instagram but yeah that's it that's that you're not on the talk i'm not on tiktok no all right or facebook i've never had a facebook let me just mute myself you know so maybe that that means that's actually kind of crazy maybe i did i that was a lie i did for like three months then i just deleted it do you have my space no i never had my space either

21:13Jourdan Rodrigue:that was before my time was it for your band was your facebook page for your band no i just like felt like the general social pressure that just that everyone was doing it and i was like this is stupid you give in deleted uh no wait but you said myspace was before your time i had a myspace i had a myspace you could code it html code it yourself and you could do your top eight friends we should do that's what a segment should be myspace your top eight friends but your top eight nfl players and you know what you know what has to go with that you used to get to put like a a song so when people visited your profile the song would automatically play so it could be like here's your top eight and the song is like um i don't know something from cold play or yellow card i was i had yellow card on we you know down on the top yeah did you see my instagram yes okay i thought you were just saying that also i was like wait no i used to listen to yellow card multiple people used to listen to yellow card i feel like it was niche everyone's putting like old school r &b and i was like i was listening to yellow card i grew up in like desert rat warp tour yes warp tour it was all yellow did you used to wear the um bracelets like the black they weren't like hair elastics but they were kind of like i never did i had chucks and an oversized okay sorry that was my aesthetic guys i'm trying to be a regular on the show i need to keep it together uh that greg you should write that down warp toward no that was pop and you know even when i was in high school so that lasted a while myspace you're right i was definitely not too young for myspace i was in my early 20s i don't feel like i was that internet i just wasn't nobody in my early 20s i'm talking about is going to care about this and i want to shout them out when I did the Play Caller series, my sound guy on that, Kent Garrison, brilliant, brilliant human.

22:56Jourdan Rodrigue:He was in the band Forever the Sickest Kids. I was like, do we work together now? I think I snuck into a warp tour to see your band. All right, that's the news. Let's take a quick break. We will be back with the quarter of uncertainty. Sorry.

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27:04Welcome to the corridor of uncertainty. A cricket term we don't really know about. We're not going to check. Chat GPT. On anything. Just something that you're entering this season. And I think we need to embrace that as a society. Of how much uncertainty there really is around us. how little we actually do know, but something that really stands out to you going into this season that you just don't know about. You're not picking one side. You're not being skeptical. You're not doing the other. You just don't know. Why don't we start off with you, Jordan?

27:43Jourdan Rodrigue:Ooh, exciting. Yeah, so my corridor of uncertainty, and I like that this is neither a good or a bad thing because I'm genuinely fascinated by the Seattle Seahawks' offense this year and what it's going to look like. I don't really doubt the defense. I think they're going to be very, very good. They ended the year extremely well last year. And this system under Mike McDonald often takes a little bit of time. But they, to me, fast-tracked that pace last year. Clint Kubiak, what has he learned from his time with the Saints? Are there other levels of other evolutions of this offense? The Saints started out so strong and then completely fell off a cliff.

28:22Jourdan Rodrigue:So what now sustains this moving forward? Jackson Smith and Jigba and Cooper Cup, kind of similar players, but how are they going to figure out ways to play them in complementary roles? You know, this Sam Darnold is a corridor of uncertainty all to himself. His whole career. Yes, but he's owned that so well, which is great. The offensive line, have they done enough to fix the offensive line? I think it's so great that they have Ken Walker back. A really good running back does not fix an offensive line. Vice versa has to be the case. So this is pads go on next week for these guys. And I love that we're going to keep learning about this team and this completely overhauled identity all in one offseason on the offensive side.

29:07Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm fascinated by this. And it's just, they're interesting to me. They're one of the teams that you feel like you have a good sense of what the defense is going to be, which is not normally how the NFL is. The offenses are more consistent year to year. and I know it's only year two of Mike McDonald. And yet with that personnel and that coach and the way they finished, I feel like we know. And you're absolutely right. The variance of what this offense could be, it could be bottom 10. It could be top 10 if everything goes well. And I don't know what I would comp it to, right? Because Kubiak, we know the system that he came out of and we know the coaching tree and all of that.

29:44Jourdan Rodrigue:He ran what was a very Kubiak-coded version of this offense at the beginning of his time in New Orleans last season. But it has to change. And there's also a mishmash of really tenured personnel in that offensive coaching staff and really interesting ideas. And so how is this going to move forward and become what are we what are we going to see from Clint specifically? Like who is this person and how is he going to do something different that will put defenses on a back foot versus being solved very quickly in the season. And I think we forget that Sam Darnold at a certain point of last season was in the conversation for MVP.

30:21He had a bad game and it came at the worst possible time when they were the last game of the season. I mean, he never should have been, to be fair. I would go ahead and disagree with you on that. But I'm a hater. You are a hater. In terms of getting like a vote where you get five votes? Sure. Yeah, sure. Like he, okay, he was better than 25 quarterbacks. I'll put him, I'll put him more than halfway better. I want quarterbacks to come on quarterback Island. That would be fun. You need to come on quarterback Island. I'll start texting him tonight, but begging. No, but let me, let me say my point.

30:51I do have brains in here, not just milk. Okay. Let me stop scaring people. No, but seriously, Sam Darnold has a lot of potential. And I remember I covered the, the, the playoff game Rams Vikings. And I was talking to a lot of his teammates and they were like, this guy has just been overlooked time at a time. And he didn't do well in that playoff game. But I think that there is a huge upside and I think he'll do well in a system that wants him, right? They went out and they got Sam Darnold. He was kind of like awkwardly there in Minnesota and like J.J. McCarthy was supposed to be the guy and then he wasn't the guy.

31:27Like, I feel like he wasn't fully comfortable and I'm excited to see like you said, there's a lot of uncertainty what his upside can be and I think we're going to be surprised. I like that you brought up with the receivers because I do feel like I know who JSN is at this point in his career. Jackson Smith I think Jake Boat was getting better and better. But does he really compliment Cooper Cup? And then the rest of the group, like, it's pretty wide open. They got rid of your boy Noah Fant. You know, there's not as many receivers there. Jake Bobo is maybe, like, heavily involved. It's a lot of uncertainty.

31:58I would be anxious, but I think it's a great point that they know they need to make. Like, Sam Darnold and this entire regime, John Schneider and Mike McDonald, Like they are now tied at the hip despite what Sam Darnold's contract. They're trying to like have it both ways that they could get rid of them out of this year. But to me, they're all kind of tied at the hip. They got to make this work.

32:16Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think like they're when when they were to your point about no fan. I'm so glad you brought up no fan, Greg. Thank you for that. When they released him earlier this week, it was clear. Like you could see on paper what was super clear. They're trying to increase competition for the guys behind him. they drafted Elijah Arroyo in the second round. And then they already had a couple guys there that they're trying to compete for this job because they need to figure out who tight ends one and two are, because they're going to need two good ones in this Kubiak offense.

32:47Jourdan Rodrigue:And then also they're going to need to figure out receiver three and how the layers between JSN and Cooper Cup stack together. You can have two orbital guys that play that sort of XF type of role and rotate around each other, almost like a solar system around the quarterback. But you have to have a really clear, cohesive plan for how two similar players can actually functionally do that and all the rest of the pieces around them as well. And I think that this coaching staff and this team really summed up our feelings of uncertainty as, again, neither a negative or a positive, just uncertain and no better way than how Mike McDonald actually answered the Noah Fant question, which was total uncertainty in my book.

33:32Love Noah. Wish him the best. But we also love the guys that are still here. And they know what's at stake. And it's going to be a lot of fun watching that competition in the tight end room. What happened with Noah? What happened with Noah? Why release him now? We released him a few days ago.

33:52I'm not going to tell you exactly why, but there's multiple reasons.

33:56Jourdan Rodrigue:I just love it. I love it. Like that's just, that just sums it up. He's like 5 % more comfortable in front of the microphone this year than he was a year ago, which is still well below like the median of NFL head coaches. There's just something about him that stresses me out. I just love it. He said, I'm not going to tell you. And it's like, we're going to see it. We're going to watch them show their work. And I like that about them as an uncertain team. Love that choice. We have a little breaking news as we're taping this show. Aaron Rodgers has been intercepted on his very first throw. Oh my God, I thought you were going to say has been injured.

34:29You said that too quickly. In team drills. That's just bad vibes. I'm a hater. You're a hater. Caleb Williams was intercepted on his first throw of team drills too. There is something about, and it's really more the first play of the season that I'm with, there is something about first plays. I do think that's a bad omen for these teams. I don't like it. Can we get the research team on that? You spend the whole offseason getting ready. They make a choice. Like, here's the first play we're going to do the practice. And then it's an interception. It's just bad juju. All right, I'm going to go to my choice for the corridor of uncertainty, one of them.

35:00You would make me go last. You can go twice in a row if you want. There's no worry about the order. I'll go last. I am very uncertain about the certainty of who the best teams are in the NFL and how much consistency there has been. and it's a real trend and that everyone assumes there will be moving forward. And by that, I mean the three big teams in the AFC with the great quarterbacks, the Chiefs, the Bills and the Ravens. And then I would also throw now, you know, the Eagles and the Lions into that mix. And I think if you asked like 20 people, who are the best four teams in the NFL? It's going to be those first four.

35:52You ask another 20, I think they'd all say the Lions are probably fifth. Maybe there's an order. And that's just not how the NFL usually works. Having, you know, covered it way since the days of Facebook and when boomers were at it. Like, there used to be so much more uncertainty.

36:14Jourdan Rodrigue:When boomers roamed the earth. Like, great teams usually didn't stay great that consistently. There was the Patriots and there was Peyton Manning racking up his regular season wins, but it usually wasn't this much year after year after year. And so this assumption that all these teams, and there's not a team among them that I'm pointing at and saying they're not going to be the team that's good, but there's something about all the certainty that's like, okay, pencil those teams into the playoffs that I'm uncertain about. That's just not how professional football is supposed to work. At some point, this consistency is going to fall apart a little bit.

36:46So I had to ask ChatGPT who the best four teams are so that I had a talking point. Now this, let me go on the record to say somebody's going to get caught this season on a podcast or a talk show or whatever for not having preparing and asking because the problem is, is it pulls from random articles and it doesn't fact check. It's just a Google search that Bridget Connick did like three months ago. Can I tell you the results? First it said Kansas City Chiefs. Okay, fine. Then it said San Francisco because of Debo. Yeah. Debo's not on the team anymore, ChatGBT. You're proving my point. No, but then I said, fact check this, you dummy.

37:21And he said, Eagles, Ravens, Bills, Chiefs. Yeah. Exactly what he said. So I don't, there's just something that makes me uncomfortable about an extremely predictable NFL. If you look like, look at the AFC divisional round last year was the exact same as the year before. Those three teams I mentioned. And then the Texans were back again. And they're the favorites again in the NFC. Even if you look at the NFC, it's the Eagles who have basically been there. It's the Lions who have now kind of established themselves at that team. It's the Rams who, you know, have been around. And the commanders were like, wow, see, there's one surprising team.

37:54But like, that's not how it's supposed to go. I need this to be shaken up a little more.

37:58Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, but I liked your point that you made at the very beginning of this segment where you were talking about if you would ask 20 people, they would probably all have different opinions. Like, I have a different opinion about who I think the best teams are. I think the Bucs should be in there. Okay. I think the Bucs... No, my point was everyone's saying the same four teams. That's, but I... So you have the, I have the reverse opinion. I think that this is a, while we think that these teams, because they actually went out and did the thing last year. Yes, of course we're penciling them in to the top of our list.

38:29Jourdan Rodrigue:That's a natural thing to do. But I actually think if I'm looking at the future and again, not factoring injuries in for any of these teams, I'm still putting the Eagles on the top. I'm still putting the chiefs on the top there. One with the quarterback with Pat Mahomes too. It's just the most best built team in football. Right. I'm looking at the long term with all the current injuries, not future injuries, and the coordinator turnover. I maybe would bump the Lions down a little bit. Also one of the best built teams in football. I think the Bucs are one of the best built teams. So you'd have them ahead of the Chiefs or the Ravens or who am I forgetting?

39:04The Bills.

39:05Jourdan Rodrigue:I would have the Bucs. I would have the Bucs above the Lions, but not above the Ravens. Okay, so they get into the five spot. And I think the Rams are up there too. It just used to be... I know you're all shocked to hear that. No, it just used to be... Don't get me started on the Bengals. I'm like a Bengals stan. I have no reason why I have no. Oh, we need more of that on the show. Actually, you should talk nicely about them. No, I just. Oh, you guys don't buy into it. Like, I think Joe Burrow is one of the best quarterbacks of our time. Sure. And I think like he's just one injury free season away from winning the Super Bowl.

39:38I understand that their team, like they've lost a lot of good talent, but I think he's a kind of guy like a Patrick Mahomes that can completely change a season because of his talent, regardless of who's on the field. Like he can make the most of what's there. He just needs to stay healthy. Yeah. They, and Vegas agrees with you. Um, like the, and like the advanced analytics places, like we're going to have Aaron shots on from FDN Almanac. Like they all have the Bengals right behind these, these top teams. Uh, but yeah, they, the thing is they really have done it. It's not just that we've been penciling in.

40:10They've been like those three teams in the AFC and certainly the Eagles in the lines the last two years, their rise has been have been extraordinarily, almost historically consistent in a way that just teams that weren't piloted by like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning just haven't been over the last 20 years. So we'll see if that gets the apple cart gets upset at all. All right, you're up, Bridget.

40:29Jourdan Rodrigue:It's a very boomer thing to say. Apple cart gets up. Yeah. Can you explain that for us? Back in the old day? I'll ask chat later. All right. So what I have coming to you, I'm waiting for the music. Come on. Come on. Do what we don't know this season is yet to be found out. You listen though daily and we'll tell you the answers. But for now coming from July 24th, this is what we're uncertain about. It's the chiefs. Chiefs, those red and yellow Chiefs. Andy with the cheeseburger, Patrick Mahomes. I'm not going to say anything about him. You should be charging for that. You should be charging for that.

41:19I'm answering about the wide receiver room. Okay. Okay. Rasheed Rice, are we allowed to talk about it? I mean, he's expected to be suspended after being found guilty. He's expected to serve jail time at this point. I didn't know what we can. Okay. So you said that. I mean, it's officially reported. They answer questions. I don't like to speak bad. Xavier Worthy. What's he going to do in year two? And then Jalen Royals, the 2024, 2025 fourth round pick. He's getting first team reps as they're evaluating the depth. But I'm concerned a little bit, but I fear to say that I'm concerned because it's the same conversation every offseason with the Chiefs.

42:03who's Patrick Mahomes going to throw to. I guess Travis Kelsey slimmed down. He got some hair. He's, I mean, he's in the Taylor world. He's doing great. Like he's always going to hair. What is it? I mean, his hair is just even better than before. Oh, I was like, did he purchase some hair? Yeah. We're trying to get Jordan to buy. So maybe Travis can, um, no, but is worthy going to take that enough? Is it enough? Yeah. Is worthy going to take the leap is Royals. Like, is, is he going to be their guy of the future? Like, is he going to step up big and, and be a fourth round pick Pukunakua type guy?

42:33I don't know. Right. I mean, they have a second round pick that they tried to shoehorn over and over into opportunities that's still on the roster. Sky Moore that I don't even think necessarily makes this team. So there's no guarantee, even if it's Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, that he's going to turn these guys. I do think because of bringing Hollywood Brown back, which I thought was a nice, quiet, like re-signing for a little bit of money. I'm always defending Hollywood Brown as like a useful NFL player. that their wide receiver position is in better shape than it has been. I think, assuming Rice is back this season, I assume that if he gets suspended, it'll be probably half the season at most.

43:11I think it's in better shape than the last few years, at least. Really since the post-Tyree Kill trade. I feel better about it. And I think their team build is really interesting to think about because I think they're just counting on offensive line plus Patrick Mahomes is going to make these guys better. But I do think these guys are a bunch of good potential two-slash-threes. And Worthy has a nice ceiling. He did produce at the end of last year.

43:36Jourdan Rodrigue:It looks like to me that they're really looking at explosive plays and team speed. Patrick Mahomes has been shrunk down because of the shells that defenses play against him. And he's forced to take the underneath stuff. They're forced to get real crazy. Andy Reid has the best screen game in the entire league. They're supposed to get really creative with their screens and all of the different underneath layers that they can build. You started to see, especially at the end of the season. And I know half of America turned off the Superbowl in like the second quarter, but you could see that there were some real explosive plays to be had by Xavier worthy.

44:16Jourdan Rodrigue:And I just think that he is going to be a really, really fascinating player for them. And I think that they're going for, again, like the speed and really attempting to poke a needle in the bubble that these defenses are playing over them. And so I think they're trying to build around him. Like who's going to become the name? To your point, you listed some players who really could become the complement to him. If you have these two speed rockets going down the field, who is going to draw attention underneath so that those guys get more isolated coverage? I just think that's what you see. You see Andy Reid's like beautiful mind working.

44:53Jourdan Rodrigue:And it's basically, he's like, I need a puncture, a guy who can puncture the bubble. And that's what I think he's trying to do. To your point, Bridget, this was the exact storyline from last camp was, we need to go deep more. It is every year. But especially like the, we're now throwing, it's Patrick Mahomes getting his like groove back by throwing, you know, using his arm again. And that was everything all last August. And then he had 6.8 yards per attempt, which is like Alex Smith, not even with the Indy Raiders, like Alex Smith in San Francisco. It's kind of shocking that Patrick Mahomes in his prime is averaging 6.8 yards per attempt.

45:26It's a little criminal. It kind of though goes back to like the good old Patriots and like, sorry for bringing it up, but like Tom Brady, who was Julian Edelman before Tom Brady came around? Like, I feel like they, you're going to say something, but I feel like they, I mean, he started, he was like a Kent State quarterback or something. But you know what I'm saying? He didn't have these flashy players. We talk about the Ravens. We talk about the Bengals. They have these flashy guys. Those great quarterbacks don't necessarily need to. They make them flashy by helping them drag them along with them.

46:02Maybe it doesn't matter. I am fascinated because I would love to see... I've now seen a boring-ish Chiefs offense long enough that even though I like upheaval and the Chiefs being this good, every year is on some level you get a little tired of it. I'm ready to see an exciting Chiefs offense again. I'm ready to see Patrick Mahomes earn that number two spot in the best players of the last 25 years. So bring it on. I'm with it. All right, let's... I have a quick one. I'm making a change. I said you were going to go twice in a row, but this doesn't make sense. So we'll go Jordan and then back to Bridget.

46:39Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, and this one's really quick too. I have uncertainty in a good way because I'm excited to see the thought process here. It could go very well for some of these guys. It could go horrifically badly for some of these guys who are first year head coaches, Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Kellen Moore, Brian Schottenheimer and Liam Cohen. And the interesting thing I want to point out about all but one of these coaches is that they hired very, very experienced defensive coordinators. Steve Wilkes is with the Jets. Dennis Allen is with the Bears. Brandon Staley is with the Saints. Matt Eberflus is with the Cowboys, but Liam Cohen, also a first year head coach and an offensive minded head coach hired Anthony Campanelli.

47:20Jourdan Rodrigue:And to his credit, Anthony Campanelli is an experienced defensive assistant coach, but has never been a coordinator at the NFL level. And I'm really curious to see how this works, because it seemed like a lot of these first year guys also reflected on their own corridors of uncertainty. What don't I know about this job? What don't I know about doing this? And what do I need taken off my plate by somebody who can manage a defense like its own ecosystem? Yeah. And like Ben Johnson, for instance, has Dennis Allen doing that, who's done that a long time. It did hit me this week as like we had another trope alert of Ben Johnson, you know, taking his offense off the field, just like he did in the offseason.

48:03But basically they couldn't, their operation was struggling. So he took them off the field. And then this Jets thing happened this morning with Justin Fields. And it did occur to me with these two Lions assistants, like which is stronger, the optimism and the organization of these former Lions coordinators, or just like the history and vibes of this Bears and Jets organization?

48:24Jourdan Rodrigue:I have to tell you, though, like I'm curious what you guys' thoughts are. Like, I don't mind that at all. No, that's great. I love that everybody can get it. If you are with the Chicago Bears, you will walk around the corner and get chewed out by something if you are not doing it in the correct way by either Ben Johnson or Dennis Allen. Like this is not a warm, fuzzy situation despite having come out of the Dan Campbell coaching tree at this point. The more I hear trickle out about the Bears last season, there is no accountability anywhere on the football side, top to bottom, players, everyone.

48:56Jourdan Rodrigue:And so I think this is like, you know, like a really good cleanse or like the first workout back after like being gone or away for a while. It hurts like a mother, but it's worth it. need it. You need it. It's like when you're a substitute teacher and you got to walk in and you're like really strict and the kids scare you. But then like day two, day three, you can loosen up. Like that's what has to happen in Chicago. Like he needs to come in. And I love that he took the offense off the field and was like, nah, you're wrong. Get the, get the heck off. Like you need to come in and lay the foundation and say, this is how we're doing stuff.

49:28Because if you come in trying to be their best friend, trying to be all happy, like Dan Campbell, I don't believe is Dan Campbell. What we saw the jokey ha ha ha. Like, I don't think that's how he started it. right? Like he'll do that when things are going good. It's easier. But like he, yeah, like he's the guy out there doing pushups with them. Like that's what Ben Johnson is trying to install in Chicago. Like this is how we're going to do things. You've sucked forever. So we're going to fix it. Like you want change? Like this is how it happens. Love that. And I'm going to love this next one.

49:58Okay. Second quarter of uncertainty. A lot of questions right down the road from that little White House. With a Capitol building not too far, a new stadium looming in the city of Washington, D.C. Jaden Daniels and the Washington Commanders took the world by storm at the end of the season. Hail Marys and Hellos. But can they continue? Can the offense succeed without him running? We saw what happened with C.J. Stroud in his year two. Is Jaden Daniels going to have the same impact or is Cliff Kingsbury going to do his magic in the offseason? We saw what he did with Patrick Mahomes. We saw him, what he did with Kyler Murray in the beginning.

50:48Wasted them both. Can he do the same with Jaden Daniels? The blueprint is built, but can they execute it at an elite level? Look, he's going to go into these defenses. They now have tape on him. They have a year worth of tape in the beginning in your rookie year. You You can get away with a little bit more because people aren't sure what to expect from you. I want him to be great. Let me put that out there. I'm just a little like he's one, one injury away. He is so mobile. He uses his like so much. Can they succeed if he's not doing that? And how much is, how long is that going to be sustainable?

51:23I think it's a great thing to point out that the first month of the season, I'm fascinated and uncertain to see what this offense looks like because it will be a 2.0 version of it. Now, his legs are going to be a massive part of it. I don't think that's going away. It shouldn't. It's a superpower. It's just how and how that evolves, how that changes. Like it did for Lamar Jackson, for instance. There were just like different stages. So I'm really fascinated to see that. My last corridor of uncertainty. That's it? All right, bye. What? Okay. Well, we spent like 30 minutes on Warped Tour. Let me text the nanny that I'm on my way home.

52:01We've done 45 already. All right. Okay, guys. Hey, let me just pack up. I think it's like one of the most uncertain quarterbacks. No, no, no. Keep going. What do you got? In the NFL. I see what you did. You sandwiched me into the middle so we could skip over. Go ahead. I just realized we've been honking way longer. Go ahead. What's yours? It's Jordan Love. Oh, cool. All right, guys. Have a good show. A guy who liked Jaden Daniels. Like Jaden Daniels, to me, is more certain at this point. And yet, Jordan Love, how long has he been in the NFL? What, you wanted to talk more about Jaden Daniels? I'm backing.

52:35You go for it. At some point, we just got to move. Tell me about Jordan. Good name. Great name. He should have the U, though. He is a guy I've always watched. Like, PFF's charting isn't perfect, but they do have a category that NFL teams use similar grading. When they have the big-time throws and the turnover-worthy plays, like, those are the plus-plus plays that NFL teams use in grading, and it's similar. And I always track that with Jordan Love, because to me, he is a boomer bust quarterback. And yet, if you really watch last year, he really wasn't. I think people have this idea of him throwing off the back foot in a gunslinger.

53:12If anything, I think they have really struggled to figure out how to turn the dials of how much risk he should take or how much risk he shouldn't take and how he operates and how he just does what he's asked to do or how much he freelances. It was turned too far the other way that he was kind of a boring quarterback last year. There weren't a lot of big time throws. There weren't a lot of turnover worthy plays either. He was just kind of in the middle. And it gets me thinking in general, his career, I feel like he's never really found that balance. And that makes me incredibly uncertain because I think he went something like five, six straight games before that playoff game without a turnover worthy play.

53:53He was playing it very safe. And then that game was a disaster where he had four of them, where he's making bad decisions bad throws over and over against the Eagles. And for that to be the way he goes into his offseason, he just, to me, like he could be an MVP someday or he could be like a below average quarterback. And I don't really, I'm not like totally sure which one he's going to be. I feel like year three is the year when we see the quarterbacks either do what you're saying, like take that next jump or, and I know he's not in year three, but this will be his third year starting. And I think it's going to be a lot.

54:27We're going to find out a lot about what his career is going to be. this season.

54:31Jourdan Rodrigue:Some of that's a push-pull with the play caller too. I mean, you have to think about it with Matt LaFleur too. He went from coaching and trying to build it like the compromise offense between himself and Rodgers, where they basically sat over Zoom on the playbook and said, okay, you like this? I like this. And let's, how can we mash them together? And then Aaron Rodgers would go out there and change stuff anyway. And so then now you're a play caller. You're like, okay, now I've got a quarterback and I'm going to see if I can get him to do the things that I want to do and avoid risk. Right. And then now I think you're watching that the play caller has to grow a little bit too.

55:04Jourdan Rodrigue:If he wants to kind of unleash the full power and potential of what Jordan Love can be. And, and some of those, um, like high reward throws, sure there could be risk involved, but the high reward throws as well and, and sort of expand his arsenal a little bit in that regard. Like, I think you have to grow with the quarterback. You have to mold with the quarterback versus, kind of vacillating one way or the other too far. I don't think he's, he didn't look like a comfortable quarterback necessarily. And I just think of his career so far and it feels like this is his third year, but I still do think of it a little bit as his fifth year.

55:37I mean, you got to give, he was in the league for two years before he got a chance to play and he's figuring it out. And if you love quarterback play, it's hard not to love watching this guy. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers ever like totally settled on like those levers of how free to play and how not. Like that was a challenge for him. And at points, it made him look like maybe the best quarterback of all time. And I don't know if, I don't think Love can get there, but I think he can have some like insane seasons. And yet, I'm not sure who he is. Very uncertain. But I do know, you know, he's very lovable.

56:11Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I know that a lot of NFL fans do know about this really cool thing that the Packers do. It's called the Dream Drive, where a bunch of kids from all over Wisconsin bring their bikes to the little pathway between the stadium and where players walk to the practice field. It's like the coolest thing every year. It really, for me, it's the real sign of training camp. It's the best part of training camp. And Jordan Love met a young lady named Savannah, and that was whose bike he chose. And I think we have the video of that. Let's roll, Savannah. See if I can get my feet on these pedals here. Try not to crash your bike here.

56:45What's up, guys? What's up? What's up? Let's go. Let's go. Happy birthday. How old are you? Nine? Go Pack Go. Go Pack Go. What's up? You're going to break the bike. Don't break nobody's bike, man.

57:03Jourdan Rodrigue:How can you not root for this guy? Just the cutest thing. And it really made me think, like, this is the best time of year for people who are football fans. You go to the training camps. You have these really great memories. You go with your family or, in your case, your kids. You will be going with your kids soon. You know, it's just incredible. it's a core memory. You're winning the Super Bowl at this point of the year. Like there's nothing to complain about. Every team is going to the Super Bowl. And we, yeah, we talk about this on NFL Daily and previously at Around the NFL. Like it is such an underrated fan experience.

57:35Oh yeah. Even though it's free, like my kids would have more fun going to training camp probably than an average regular season game. Because players are happy. Like there's no win or loss. And you're up close. You can actually see them. Now you don't get Jordan Love riding your bike everywhere but not everyone's Jordan Love. Not everyone's the Packers. The Packers is also like a very special training camp. For sure. It is like wide open. You can tape everything. They get the best like reporting there because they just a lot like that's football heaven. This was football heaven, Bridget, having you back.

58:03Guys, I don't want it to end. Did you do a show on Wednesday? Was this your first show back? I did the Insiders. You didn't watch? I mean, it's a lot of content. The Insiders every day. I listen to NFL Daily every day. All season. And I have a kid. What's your excuse? There's no way that's true. There's no way that's true. Thanks for having me on. This is a blast. Name the guest this week. Oh, I already saw him. That's it for today's show. We are going back on Friday. Aaron Schatz. Aaron Schatz. I could have told you that. Well, that's coming up. Yeah. We're excited for him. Our guy, the FTN. We'll be back.

58:38We'll be going over some teams with surprising projections. He's in Massachusetts. Okay. He's remote. I was like, not in my chair. Oh, man. And when like a Jets quarterback is getting us all worried early in training camp, football's back.

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