Midseason Awards: MVP, Rookies, Revenge Body and WAT?? with Colleen Wolfe and Jourdan Rodrigue

20:53Nick Amonwari is coming fast, but he just missed too much time. I think to win like a half season award, Mike L Williams was, was pretty good as well. But we're talking about just this half season. Who do you think has been the best? Carson Sueshinger, because I think that he's playing among the most difficult. Jihad Campbell's playing a very, very difficult position, but Sueshinger is, is calling the defense is running the defense for the Browns and has produced to that level as a rookie. It's extremely difficult to do. And he's looked incredible. I think it's really, really lucky in the context of this award that we're, marking this at the halfway point because he is injured.

21:30So he probably will not have a shot at winning this down the later. I think he's coming back soon, but I was glad to hear that. Maybe first game right off the bye off of an ankle injury. So you always got to look out for, for something like that. And I, and I, I really, you know, Jihad Campbell's one of my favorite players in the NFL right now is one of my favorite players coming out in the draft. We were so excited about him projecting him where he should have gone in the draft and our mock draft. but I do think because playing that in that middle linebacker position, especially on a defense where you are done no favors by your offense time and time and time again, and you look that dominant still and you look like a player so beyond your years.

22:07Um, that that's a player who I would give that award to.

22:10Colleen Wolfe:I thought that I was going to come in here and be the one person that said Swessinger should be the answer here and he should get the award. So I'm glad that we're all aligned on this because I just also feel like, he's playing in Cleveland and he's not experiencing like probably a happy year at this point. And he deserves a little bump here because he's played so well. He's an every down player. He's come up in clutch moments. That interception he had against the Patriots. He had a couple of really big splash plays against the Dolphins too, I believe. So I just, I loved him this year and And hopefully he can come back and put on a good performance the second half of the year.

22:54Yeah, I was a little surprised he's lower than I would have expected, at least in the betting markets. Eamon Worry would be, I think, a great pick for that because I think he's going to come higher. I think Abdul Carter and Campbell are the favorites right now. Carter has a lot of pressures, not a lot of QB hits or sacks. He's been solid. Trey Amos, by the way, just shout out to him. He's played pretty well for the Commanders. and Xavier Watts at safety, you know, has had a good rookie season for the Falcons, but we're giving the award to Schwestinger. Let's do the coach of the year and then we'll take a break.

23:27I'll let you start calling in of just, there's a million candidates for coach of the year. So I don't even want to narrow it down. There's probably four or five that I think are the main ones, but you could even go off that board and pick anyone you want.

23:38Colleen Wolfe:Well, you might be thinking, oh, of course, she's going to pick Shane Steichen here. All she does is talk about the Colts. No, I'm not. Because who is the other team I always talk about with the quarterback that I've always talked to? Oh, no, not that one. Sirianni would be a hilarious pick here. In the Pacific Northwest, we have Mike McDonald for coach of the year. I love what he's done with the Seahawks team. They're performing so well. I mean, just look at the way that people respond to him. Look at Marshawn Lynch. If you're watching right now, giving him a massage. Was that Marshawn Lynch?

24:13Colleen Wolfe:I'm not sure. Okay. He has done such a good job with both sides of the ball. And you could just see, I felt like when Sam Darnold went there, everyone was kind of like, oh, well the Vikings, they, they were with them all year. So they truly know what he's about. And obviously they did not value him enough to keep him. So let's see how he does out in Seattle. And he's done great. And Mike McDonald, I think has done a really good job. Good pick. I was talking to a coach the other week who knows Mike McDonald, well and the the thing that he just kept saying he was so in awe of was how he evolved he constantly evolves you can see it on the field and you could see but it's a combination of evolution and communication because he understands how to teach his offense he understands how to like layer it we talked about this last year with him because you could start to see it progressing especially down the back stretch of last season defensively you could see the little layers and the progression teaching points that they were building in to this group.

25:13And now it's one of the best defenses in the NFL. And I think that's such a credit to him and how he runs the entire operation. I, however, I'm going to go with the guy who I predicted at the beginning of the year was going to win the coach of the confirmation bias, Mike Vrabel. Oh yeah. That's such a good one. And Greg, I remember it like it was yesterday, Greg, because you rightfully said that market is going to have crazy high expectations and he is going to have to not only exceed expectations, but the team in terms of win loss, but the team is going to have to play like a totally different team.

25:45And guess what? Check and check. Both of these things are happening and it's crazy. And honestly, it's a little startling to me how we haven't seen you be more vocal and excited about this. I've been in a fear of being judged. I think no, I've been enjoying watching. He's like, the expectations were high. Like they, had to win 10 or 11 games minimum for him to get a chance to win this. And they're 7-2. So all they got to do is go 4-4. He has a real chance. And I think the number one thing that you can see that he does, number one, I think he just has such great buy-in. He's great on the relationship front.

26:22I think if there was a model for him as a coach, it would probably be like Mike Tomlin, but better in game management, which would be an awesome coach if we could get that. Because they're really good at situational football. They're really good at like late and clock situations, when to be aggressive, when not like the details are really good. He's not, he's not a scheme guy. Yeah. And we'll see how their defense looks when they play better offenses, but running the whole operation, I think he's, he's a great choice.

26:50Colleen Wolfe:Also, what about Sean Payton? Sean Payton's in the mix. Throwing another name in there. Yeah. Steichen, I think. I didn't get to cut you off. No, no, no, you're good. I love that you said that because I do think he should, he should be in it. Dave Canales too, especially with kind of how his teams, I'll get to it in a minute, but how his teams have really developed a very specific personality. Yeah, I like it. I think... Wait, you're going to talk about the Panthers? So what if I do? I'm just kidding. So what if I do? A lot of good candidates out there. But I think with Vrabel, you touched on something awesome there, Greg, because I keep seeing little moments with this guy that really sway me toward the EQ side of what he does too.

27:34And you've always heard stories about it, but Drake may had a bad second, third, and part of the fourth quarter last week. And they didn't score any points in the second, all but three points in the second half. And he struggled. He turned the ball over twice. After his second turnover, Mike Vrabel comes over to Drake May on the sidelines where he's sitting with the tablet and looks really mad. And Mike Vrabel puts his sort of his forehead to forehead, like dad son kind of. we're going to have a talk, you know, kind of thing. And you could tell he was saying, like, I got you. I believe in you.

28:05It's OK. We've got your back. And like, I was like, oh, yeah, got the EQ. EQ is there as well. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. And Drake May said after the game, too, he, you know, he appreciated that basically was saying, move on to the next play and be confident. Like we're in the thing I love about how they treat him is they show their confidence in him with their play calls, which is like the best way to do it. when they need to close out a game, they will ask Drake May to do hard stuff and he delivers. Just because I want to throw out a different name, I might go Kyle Shanahan.

28:38Colleen Wolfe:Ooh, I like it. Okay, interesting. I like rewarding plans coming together. I think Mike McDonald, it would be a case for him too, like year two there. Like it's not, I thought Andy Reid was the coach of the year last year because like it's not just what he's doing that year, but everything that he's built, that was a bad team and he somehow won 15 games with them. I'm like, what is a better example of being a good coach? And so I think Kyle Shanahan is kind of like that too. Everything that he has built there over the years and what they've overcome injury-wise this year has been outrageous. You can even give him a little credit for having enough of a good relationship with Robert Sala to get him back in the building.

29:15Bring him on back into the mix. So I just think they've overachieved. And so I throw his name out there, but we do have to make a decision. So someone has to go to the other side and just like make a choice. well we Stiken by the way is a really good candidate too there's too many good candidates yeah well we know Greg's not changing his name I was going to I was gonna just go with Mike McDonald because that honestly I like it was where I was leaning that was where I was leaning first I'm so impressed with what he's done yeah I think for the first half of this year they have been incredibly well coached and it's a plan coming together like this show we did it Eric has been working with the Inglewood Orchestra for weeks on this little ditty here.

30:02Colleen Wolfe:On the score. And it paid off. We'll be back with some more awards. Including the MVP award. Ooh. Bet you guys can't guess my pick.

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34:47Back on NFL Daily. With the greatest award show in the business, it's the NFL Daily Mid-Season Award. First annual? Yeah.

34:59Colleen Wolfe:It's going to be... We'll be here next year. NFL bring us all back you know please universe bring us all back I think the building's leased for a while we're good yeah this actually leads perfectly to my award another death talk guys we're doing another death talk okay everyone the 2025 mom and dad please stop fighting award goes to YouTube TV and ESPN. I need you guys to make up. We love you both so much. We need to see you together again. It's so difficult to watch things now. I really only watch sports and I would love to see this marriage last. We would love to see you stay together. YouTube TV is so fantastic for games.

36:00Colleen Wolfe:I love all of the quad box that you can do. I love that you can have whatever you want. You can see all sorts of customized things. You can watch games. You can watch politics. You can watch cartoon shows if you want. You can watch whatever you want. But they're really making, mom and dad are really making Monday Night Football difficult to watch. And I just, I don't want to see them fight and in this pain anymore. We can come to an agreement here. You guys have done so well for so long together. So please make this relationship last. I do hate to see monolithic corporations fighting. You know what I mean?

36:37It just hurts me. You could have checked out NFL Plus. I was thinking it would be funny if NFL Plus was doing some counter-programming. Just like, hey guys, we're here. We got Monday Night Football. But yeah, I'd have to see.

36:52Colleen Wolfe:I know. I know it. Get it together for the kids, guys. I am a... For football. I am a subscriber. I think a lot of people learned that like that they had an ESPN subscription. But apparently there's some like higher tier where they give you like gold, you know, cufflinks or something. And you get to watch Monday Night Football because somehow you have a subscription and not Monday Night Football. Yeah. It was very strange. I was confused about that there. I have a lot of subscriptions. I don't even know what I have subscriptions to anymore. That little award, you know, might not even make it to the show just because of corporations coming down on us.

37:29Colleen Wolfe:Well, it's fine. I like our jobs. Sorry. No, no. I agree. They should make up. It is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Just make it happen. Usually these things happen and then they just figure it out quickly and they haven't figured it out quickly. Jordan. Yes. Well, much like my life in general, I have the I just can't quit you. Oh, no. I can't imagine where this goes to the Carolina Panthers, a team who also simply won't quit guys. The way that they've battled through adversity, now finding an identity, playing spoiler to other teams, it's becoming their identity to ruin other people's day. Maybe teams that came in with just a higher quality perception or better narrative around them.

38:13The Carolina Panthers are giving them the business. The run game is off the ground after finally moving to feature Rico Dowdle. We love him. The defense is playing way better. These guys have a little something. And I always knew I was here the whole time. I always knew they could do it. And I'll never quit these guys. Dave Canales. He is modeled. And he said it after Pete Carroll. And there is a little bit of like radical positivity, greater than the sum of their part. If the Packers are less than the sum of their parts, the Panthers are greater. The vibes are fantastic

38:49Colleen Wolfe:Good vibes, great vibes this year compared to last year We love to see them win And I was still there Is this a shot at me in the Colts? No No, I can only aspire to live on that timeline Yeah No I'm still an overeating on the couch Part of the revenge body Oh, I got you That does indicate like a level of narcissism from Colleen Where she thinks everything is about her Oh, no that I personally appreciate. This is something that... Don't you dare insult my friend. No, I'm just... That's going to stick with me now forever. How dare you? How dare you, sir? It's kind of like those every accusation is an admission.

39:31Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. If I'm seeing that... Okay, well, now you have to say something bad about yourself. I just did. That's the point. Okay. Let's talk about death. I'm going to give my final award, and it's just the second year leap award. You said I wasn't having enough fun talking about the Patriots. But I looked around because I feel like there's always a lot of talk about the rookies, the rookies, the rookies. And then you don't really look as much about the second year. And I got to say, after going through last year's draft class, a lot of people are on the struggle bus right now.

40:04Like overall, maybe not the best draft class. And a lot of rookies, certainly at quarterback, but otherwise, too, played better last year than this year. But these gentlemen all are playing better. I think you know who the winner is going to be, but I do want to give a shout out to the runners up. Tanner Bordellini of the Colts, one of the best centers in the league now. Great name. Out of nowhere. Sounds like a sauce. Latu of the Colts. Pretty quiet rookie year. And like, it was really made a complete game coming off a three sack game, but has had a ton of pressure. And then Tykee Smith developed into one of the better slot players, safeties in the league.

40:43for the Bucs. But of course, it's Drake May. I mean, we didn't even have him on quarterback. And we weren't even really considering it to start the year. He's on there now. I remember hearing from our guy, Nick Wright, that I think we did some sort of quarterback rankings in the offseason. And he was at like 16th or 17th. And he was like, can he just do something? Can we actually see it first before we get there? And now here we are. I think any reasonable ranking of just this year would have him in the top five. Maybe he's going to come up in our MVP talk. I don't know. but he legitimately would be in it.

41:15I mean, right?

41:16Colleen Wolfe:I mean, you're not wrong. He's in the conversation. And stay tuned for later this week where we all have a conversation about the conversation. I just can't believe he's leading the league in completion percentage and it's not like he's dinking and dunking. Like their average depth of target is one of the highest in the league. That's quite a combination to be throwing downfield that much and leading the league. I can't believe how good he is on the short stuff because that was something that everyone coming into the draft thought would take a little while. I'm just noticing how you did not mention me in year two as someone who improved.

41:53Oh. Year two. Well, I mean, who thinks that way? This is your year one. This is your rookie season in terms of...

42:05Colleen Wolfe:I thought that you performed so well your rookie year. I would have given you Offensive and defensive Rookie of the Year award It just was so great The second after I said that Just the shadow Passed over Chris I was like wait what? He was like Really blew this You know what? Hold on wait While you're on the Patriots I will He's never off the Patriots I will throw That's true I will just throw in A quick Oh wow A quick another award That maybe Eric's shaking his head We gotta get to 25 minutes Or else we won't beat the break No I'm kidding The duo that we didn't know we needed in our lives, Robert Kraft and Cardi B.

42:42Oh, I'm so glad you mentioned that.

42:44Colleen Wolfe:We needed it. We needed it so bad. And thank you. You delivered. And I just, I want, I want every, I want her to come to more games. Yes. She said she wouldn't be coming to any games until her album dropped. So I'm hoping that means she's going to be coming to more games because I need it all. I love it. And they got him a touchdown. Actually, he got himself. They got him a touchdown. I'm saying they got it while he's there, but I wouldn't even say that because he caught that ball at like the 13 yard line and showed a little juice there getting around the edge and making it happen. What was the song they played when he scored the touchdown?

43:17Cause they played a Cardi B song at Foxborough. And that's kind of an amazing moment. I hope it was Bodak Yellow, but you know, it could have been like a new song to promote.

43:28Colleen Wolfe:Well, it could have been, yeah, it could have been a lot. She's got a lot of bangers, a lot of good songs. Instead of what it could, it could have been, you know, W-A-P Alright Let's move on I like it Fellow kids Very different song What Very different song Let's fly through These last ones Offensive player of the year Which has kind of Turned into best Non Outside Quarterback Was the song That was the song Outside Okay From the new album Just closing the loop there Thank you I appreciate it I did notice That like Her song with Migos Drip Which was like A long time Favorite in the Rosenthal household is now promoting nachos, I believe.

44:07Oh. Nacho. So it's like...

44:09Colleen Wolfe:Velveeta, I believe. I think you're absolutely right. Like a dip, so... And what does that mean? I don't know what it means, but it just means like... She's getting the cheese. Yeah, that's true. That's what it means. Yes, the cheddar, in fact. Everyone should get paid, but I felt like that's too new of a good song to be a Velveeta act. You shouldn't be allowed to talk about cool stuff. I'm old. I shouldn't be allowed to talk, period. Hello, fellow kids. I'm sorry, Greg. Cardi B is more... You're not old. I wasn't going to say our generation because she's obviously much younger than me, but I'll give her your generation.

44:42It's not like, you know, Cardi B is just a kid. She's been in the mix.

44:46Colleen Wolfe:I'm much older than Jordan. That's fair, too. I don't think so. Yeah. You and Cardi B are about the same age. But again, I don't believe in chronologically. She's accomplished 15 lifetimes worth of old Jordan, you know? Okay, I guess you were right, Eric, without us. being able to beat this next break. Our Offensive Player of the Year candidates. Oh, yeah. Some I'll throw out there. I used to hate this award. Now I just begudgingly do accept that it exists. Some possibilities. And if any of them you wanted for MVP, sure. Jonathan Taylor. Jackson Smith and Jigba. Yes, my pick. Same. Those are probably the two leaders in the clubhouse.

45:28It's annoying to talk quarterbacks here. So other players that at least just deserve a little love. Bajon is on pace for 2 ,000 yards from scrimmage. It's kind of like we're picking on the Falcons for not using them enough, but that's a monster season. Puka is having a great year. CMC obviously having a great year. But yeah, I think it's between Taylor and JSN. You said your pick was JSN, Jordan? Both of ours. Yeah. I'm with you then. I guess I don't have a choice. Yeah. He's, first of all, having an historic season and the parameters of the team that he plays on in Seattle, but also league-wide having an historic season.

45:59And he just, similar to how Jonathan Taylor does for his own offense, adds this element of such a threat in so many different ways in the passing game. Explosive plays, sort of finesse plays underneath, and has become somebody who they've built their entire offensive identity as multiple as it is in other areas around and through. And he's the personality of this offense right now. And I love it for them. And you could say all of these same things about Jonathan Taylor, which is why I'm like not mad at all. Whichever way we want to go, I think both are really deserving. I just think Jackson Smith and Jigba has just brought this electricity.

46:41Like you're thinking about the Seahawks team as the most explosive offense, which they are statistically the most explosive pass game in the entire league and on pace to be in a historically explosive passing game.

46:52Colleen Wolfe:I mean, October alone, like his numbers in three games, just insane. And I think, too, this offense is sort of a run first offense, and he's still able to do what he does within that system. And he's leading in metrics in terms of receiving yards per game. What a huge stat that is, obviously, for Offensive Player of the Year. I love JSN here. All right. He's the pick. I mean, both of them, him and Taylor, could be in the mix for MVP in a world where, you know, and we can be the change that we want to see in the world. If we want to vote JSN for MVP, it's not that crazy. Imagine if you took him away from that team.

47:33They would be struggling. Let's hit defensive player of the year. I don't think there's a favorite at all. So I'll actually, it's kind of like coach of the year. I'll just throw it to you guys of where you want to go. It seems like the linebackers are not going to really be options this year. like off ball guys because Fred Warner got hurt. And who was the other option that I was thinking of that there also was an injury at like Zach Bond is obviously not at that level this year, but who would you pick?

48:03Colleen Wolfe:I would love to see Michael Parsons win. Yeah. The story of Devin Lloyd got hurt. That was who I was thinking of too. Like Nick Benito is another guy that would be a good option. A listener or at least a follower. Oh, what up Nick? Well, I'm sorry. I'm not giving you this award right now, But the only reason that Michael Parsons gets the edge over Benito is because I just would love for Jerry Jones to see Michael Parsons win defensive player of the year after he was traded away from his team. I don't think Benito is a follower, though. I think I just got retweeted with some hate into his timeline.

48:35That's the worst way. Greg had a moment. Yeah. But, you know, we love him. We talk about him constantly. We love him to death. So if he did listen, he would be on the then I think be on the right side of history in that front. But I was going to go with Aiden Hutchinson as much as I love the story here of Michael Parsons. And I think very much he could run away with this second half of the season. But up until now, it's not just Aiden Hutchinson quite clearly like changing the entire aspect of what this defense is capable of. And and his return being so impactful schematically and really bringing this like gravitas and ferociousness to a group that's already very well coached, despite the injuries that they had on the back end.

49:16And it's also like such a great emotional story coming back from how horrific that injury was. And I want to give him this because I am so annoyed year after year by the comeback player of the year award when somebody who died on the football field did not get it after coming back to life and playing in another NFL football game. And so I am so annoyed by that award in general. and I don't want people to say, oh, we can't choose between Micah Parsons and Aiden Hutchinson. And so we're just going to give, you know, Micah Parsons defensive player of the year. And we still have a category for Aiden Hutchinson.

49:52I'm like, no, win it definitively. And I think Aiden Hutchinson will win this award. I'm done with comeback player of the year too. That's why I didn't even bring it up on this one. Thank God. I would just want to make it most improved. Do a most improved award. Most improved would be a great award. NBA has that. And that's just like, who got better? Daniel Jones. That would be a great one. I mean, like May would be an option for that. Although you would probably want to avoid the guys in his second year. I think I'd probably go with Myles Garrett right now. Just because I just think he's the best player.

50:21I think he might be the best football player. I'm not mad at any of these, honestly. But the numbers really aren't quite there. I mean, they are with sacks. But in terms of total pressures, Hutchinson actually is leading the pack by a decent amount. Will Anderson's had a great year. I think those would be probably the top five options when you include Benito and Hutch. We got to break a tie, though. So I think I'm going to go with Hutch. Yeah, I was going to go with Hutch, too. Right. I think that wins. Yeah. Miles Garrett, it's more like to Aiden Hutchinson. He's turned into maybe the best run defender in the league, too.

50:57And that's part like he is just they're just changing every opposing offense has to just change everything they do because of him. But Hutch, get it done. All right. MVP. All right, here's my list. The thing that I think is going to be key about the conversation, and we're going to hit this more on Wednesday. This isn't about who's going to win the MVP. It's just who's been the best so far. There is no obvious choice. I think any one of like eight guys could win, and actually there's no one that's particularly ahead of the pack. That's my opinion, and I'm not listing in any order here. I think if we're giving it to a quarterback, any of the following quarterbacks would make sense to me.

51:36Darnold, Stafford, Josh Allen, Drake May, Daniel Jones, Patrick Mahomes. You can't really tell me that one of those guys is way ahead of the others.

51:47Colleen Wolfe:You're missing someone? Who am I missing? I thought that's what you were going to say. No. You say what you're going to say. No, I was letting him know that you were going like this. We're all pointing at each other. What are we going to say? I was just going to say, there's only one of these players who's doing this at 37 years old. who's in this caliber of the conversation. Matthew Stafford, 21 touchdown passes, 268.4 yards per game, two interceptions all season. It's incredible watching what he's doing. The Immortal Chamber really did its job because at 37, let me just forget, at 37 years old, Matthew Stafford is having maybe one of his best seasons in his entire career.

52:31Colleen Wolfe:All right, you got me with the only one that's doing this at 37 because I was watching him and just the way that the ball comes out of his hands. It's just so beautiful. It's like art. It's like a choreography of watching him in the offense play. And yeah, this level of play, I almost feel like people forget about him because he's one of the older quarterbacks in the conversation. He gets left out of the conversation and he 1000 % should be in it. He's played so well consistently all season. and I feel like the thing with him is always, oh, he's back. Like in training camp and every, like if he does get hurt, it's like, well, he's old.

53:09Colleen Wolfe:It's a bad back. What are you going to do? But that doesn't seem to be a problem this year at all. He looks great. It's also like the tale of two MVP, most valuable player, the tale of two seasons. If that really was going to be something that was the issue coming into the regular season, this Rams team is not here. They are not doing this. they are not having the type of production they are. He is their A-plus plan, and he always was, because they know that he not only can play like this, but he also elevates everyone else around him to the point where it's an entirely different team and outlook when he's not on the field.

53:46And you never know. I know he has the back injury, but Tom Brady still had four top two finishes in MVP to go after 37. You never know. I wouldn't pick Stafford. just be it's a you're picking hairs splitting hairs rather i darnold would be my pick so far just because the numbers are just way better i mean i just love that you said that yeah he would be my pick so far i think josh allen and may and jones like i basically am just repeating myself all those guys i think are pretty close to each other including stafford but darnold's numbers are pretty overwhelming and that's where like stafford for instance he's not giving you anything running and the advanced stuff is not as good for Stafford where he's like, you know, eighth to 10th and EPA per play and success rate, all that stuff where it's that, you know, Darnold's far and away like one in a lot of those.

54:33And it's just the eye test. He had that moment. Granted, they lost to the bucks, but I'm kind of thinking of moments in the year. Who's given me more moments like that. The first half against the commanders, that was a moment that bucks game for Darnold was a moment where Stafford has given you moments. I think they've lost and he hasn't like, yeah, I'm just trying to pick between them. But yeah, they've lost their two biggest games of the year to the Colts and Eagles where it was kind of like uneven. Like if I mean, not lost. They beat the Colts. My bad. Or is it because it's been more surprising to see Darnold play the way that he has?

55:08Colleen Wolfe:And it's almost like we've become accustomed to watching Matthew Stafford be a really, really great quarterback for a while now. So you kind of like he gets lost in the sauce a little bit because of that. I was thinking of the 49ers game in practice, but he was good at like, he's been good in these games anyway. That's what I mean. Splitting hairs. Cause I think it's honestly just, you can make just as strong a case for Josh Allen overall. And may wouldn't be like too far off either. The biggest thing against him is just the competition. It just made me so happy to hear you talk about Sam Darnold in that way, because it's true.

55:40I mean, honestly, and if you're going to go, it's, it's, it is splitting hairs. If you're going to go moment to moment, or you're going to go stat by stat by stat, stat you can argue some for some and others for others and it would just be like a vastly shifting chart and scale and so for me just in my gut now i'm gonna pick matthew stafford but if both of you want darnold i am not mad at it and i'll come with you on it and with a full support because i just love that for sam darnold if so it's up to colleen then okay see what we've done i know

56:13Colleen Wolfe:i i just you know what we talked about manifesting a little bit um i don't even know if that was on the show or if that was before the show, but I would love to manifest this for Sam Darnold because what a redemption story this would be for him. He's already had all of these chapters, but to have the success he had last year and then get traded away and then have the same success and go on to win an MVP would just be such a chef's kiss. Well, you know what? Revenge body. He doesn't even need to go on to win an MVP. He just won it. the half season MVP from NFL Daily. Play the music. Congratulations.

56:51Sam Darnold. Congratulations. I don't want to be weird about it, but it's kind of nice to give him the award because I feel like Stafford's maybe, if I was predicting, Stafford might be more likely to get the end of the season award, but who knows? What a moment. Congratulations.

57:07Colleen Wolfe:You could just turn this music on and I'll forget whatever we were talking about or doing and I'll just be in a happy mood. Congratulations to everyone who came. What is pain? We don't know it. NFL honors. Let's jam in our Thursday night football. Quickly, we got the Raiders and the Broncos. A little bit of an anticlimax here. But the Raiders in primetime coming off maybe their best performance of the season. Certainly on offense. You know, it took until the fourth quarter to get going. But ultimately, I was looking at like the numbers of like the best passing performances from a week ago, top five.

57:46And I was like, oh, Gino Smith is on there at number four with four touchdowns. And I don't know if it was the Jaguars defense or what. We'll find out because this is a brutal matchup against a great Broncos defense. Do you know what's kind of interesting? So the Raiders now are going to be a full 12 personnel offense. And they showed that this last week and against the Jaguars, especially Bruck Bowers being back is so huge. What was interesting was they ran several of the Rams own 12 personnel plays that they previously ran against the Jaguars in London against the Jaguars again, including a touchdown from the goal line out of a heavy personnel look that was almost like tape, like moment for moment tape, the same thing.

58:25and that's smart. You got to find edges. You got to figure out ways to win with the personnel that's working for you and Brock Bowers being back allows them to do that and to stay in that very dynamic, heavier personnel and give Geno Smith bigger targets, especially with all the zone that they're seeing, giving him bigger targets within those zones.

58:44Colleen Wolfe:Yeah, this will be the first time that we're seeing the Raiders offense without Jacoby Myers. So everything is going to run through Brock Bowers. So that's obviously going to be interesting just to see how that goes with the Broncos secondary. The Broncos have just been one of those teams this year. The Broncos and the Patriots have both won six straight games to unexpectedly lead their division with second-year quarterbacks. It's just been really cool to watch. But for Sean Payton and Bo Nix, this is going to be a spotlight game for them just because they're going to be able to show off, I think.

59:26Yeah, they should. This Raiders defense just does not have enough talent. Pete Carroll has not come up with answers. And they end up giving up four straight scoring drives to the Jaguars. Like their offense finally showed up and the defense couldn't get one stop against the Jaguars in the fourth quarter or overtime of that game. And, you know, the Broncos are favored by eight and a half. But who knows? Bo Nix, like so far this season, The Broncos offense is 16th in DVOA and efficiency. And the defense is three, which if you had said before the start of the season, it's like not that shocking, but watching Nick's really struggle like early in games.

1:00:05So often has, has been a little surprising to me. So this, like a lot of Raiders games should feel like a, okay, just feel better about everything after this week, like create open receivers for him and don't wait till the fourth quarter to start hitting them because he has missed a lot of Troy Franklin and Evan Ingram and Cortland down the field. Yeah, agreed. And I like when they get them into a rhythm early, you know that they're going to want to keep trying to run the ball. I've had some success with that, develop more of an identity there. And, you know, I think if we get an even Bo Nix, get even like not negative plays, not making mistakes or forcing throws in an even Bo Nix game and the same caliber of game that we are accustomed to seeing from this defense, they should have no problem with with the Raiders, but when you suddenly change your dynamic or your dominant personnel in the middle of a season like this, it is really tough for teams to adjust to it when they've looked at all of your tape previously.

1:00:59And it was not this thing. You only have one game of tape of what you're going to be moving forward. That's really, really tough. And I think it does throw a wrench into this. And Brock Bowers is just, he's a freak. I, it was so nice to see him back to rookie Brock Bowers. Cause I, I have never seen a tight end move that fast, like with the ball in his hands. And Gino Smith hit him in stride a couple of times. And I thought Ashton Gentry coming off the bye had a little more juice and played really well last week. Gino had a few more deep throws. So if you're looking for something positive, that can happen.

1:01:33And then you're just hoping for a Bo Nix fritz out. Like there was this one play where he stepped up in the pocket last week, late in the game. He's got, it's totally wide open in front of him. And he decides to like jump and throw a sidearm on a third and 13. And he missed it by like six yards. And I was just thinking like, why did you jump and throw it sidearm? Why not? No, I guess. I'm just kidding. That's that's for Patrick Mahomes. Okay. Raiders are going to Denver. And yeah, the Broncos are eight and a half point favorites. We'll be recapping that me and shook and we'll add something fun and spicy to make it even better.

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