Minicamp Winners and Losers

28:14Also, Tyler Shuck can run. Tyler Shuck in college, that was not a part of his college profile. But then if you looked at his combine numbers, he was like really athletic. And they let him run last year. I mean, he could run for like 30, 35 yards a game. That's really big in fantasy. And also it's just it can be really debilitating, deflating to a defense. You know, it's third down. You got him in, you know, third and seven. You think you're going to, you know, force the turnover on downs and or, you know, get the takeaway or just get the ball back, force the punt. Tyler Shuck can run for those seven yards that can be really deflating to the defense.

28:48I agree. He reminds me a little as an athlete of Daniel Jones, where he's not going to run around you or anything, but just the straight line speed. He actually probably is a little more flexible than Daniel Jones, but he made important plays with his leg. You're absolutely right. Actually, I'll go to Daniel Jones. He's one of my winners. I just thought coming off the Achilles, we'll have to see how it actually looks because we heard Kirk Cousins is doing well and Aaron Rodgers was doing well when they were coming off and then they just did not have it. He's obviously much younger, but he's ahead of pace of where I thought he'd be.

29:27We're at the point now where it'd be very surprising if he doesn't start week one, which I would not have expected coming into the offseason. So it just feels like a reason why they gave him that contract was they felt good about the rehab and for the Colts and the people around that you're counting on for fantasy. I think it's a good sign that Daniel Jones expected at this point to start week one and might be a pretty full go to even start training camp. That would be nice. We have high hopes for Josh Downs to take a step this season. We see Michael Pittman got moved and Alec Pierce coming off maybe more extensive ankle surgery than was expected.

30:09And so maybe we're hoping that Josh Downs can move in, maybe even lead the Colts in receiving. Let's go. This year. That is one of my all-time, not all-time, but one of my favorite sleeper picks certainly this year is Josh Downs in fantasy. You always like the little guys, Rosenthal. I remember you were first on Eddie Royal back in the day. He's dynamic. I don't think people realize, I used to say this about Alec Pierce, that no matter how good you think he is, he's better. I think the same is true for Josh Downs. He just needs to stay healthy. In fact, I would expect him to lead that team in reception, certainly.

30:43I don't know if it'll be in yards, but I would throw Pierce up there as a loser. They kind of go hand-in-hand, Downs as a winner and Alec Pierce as a minicamp and off-season loser, because we just never expected this surgery to come up, and it sounds like it's ligaments. He tried to avoid it. He's not going to be ready during the preseason. I think week one is very much in question for Alec Pierce, a guy that really relies on his speed. So that's, you know, while we're talking Colts, to me, a minicamp loser. What do you think about Tyler Warren this season for fantasy? Yeah, I like him a lot. He's a stud.

31:17You know, the history of dudes that have won Mackey Awards is really, really good. I know it's just a college award, but he was a Mackey Award winner, and those guys have awesome track records. So, yeah, I love Tyler Warren. Absolute baller. Tight end, what is he? Three? Four? I think he's tight end five for me. I have Kyle Pitts ahead of him, another Mackey Award winner. And that is very controversial. Levitan hates it. I hate it too. Okay, Kyle Pitts had 88 catches last year and 118 targets. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a different offense. He's just been inconsistent. I know he is. The argument for you is— I think he took a step last year.

32:01Yeah, I think that's fair. And I think the argument for him is that they're going to be a high volume in terms of pass attempts offense, I think, with Stefanski and just a lot of short passes. A lot of two-voted pits, hopefully. Yeah, PPR league, like seven-yard catches by Kyle Pitts. I'm going to give you another winner. Me. My top 101 list. I won. We're down to only 11 players left on my top 101 list. So I consider that a win. The NFL is just picking these guys off the board. Cam Jordan is the latest one to go. And a handful of the guys that are still on the list that didn't get signed, like Taylor Decker, Jimmy G, are at the very end.

32:42I think they're retiring, so I don't even count that. But here are some of the players. It was more of an excuse to mention to the audience who is unsigned. And give me any thoughts if you have on any of these players that stand out to you. Joey Bosa is out there. I think he could retire potentially. Stefan Diggs and Debo are the two from a wide receiver perspective that are most compelling on defense. You have Hassan Reddick, Trevon Diggs, Jadeveon Clowney figures to land on a team eventually. Darren Waller looked pretty good last year when he played, but he's still out there unsigned. Diggs is probably the one I'm looking at out of all those guys where he could actually impact like a fantasy outlook.

33:20Even if you're not drafting Stefan Diggs early or maybe even at all, like he'll impact a room and in the right spot, he could be like a good NFL third receiver. Yeah, I totally agree. I think that maybe partly what has contributed to Stefan Diggs not so far signing is the weird off-the-field stuff that's been going on. I try to not pay attention at all. I have to pay attention to it a little bit. But I don't know, the stuff on TMZ and all that. They're human. You should be paying attention. The NFL teams are paying attention. But to that point, as far as the NFL— I just know that there's—all I need to know as a fantasy analyst is that there's off-field stuff going on, and eventually he will get signed.

34:00That's all I need to know. Well, the NFL essentially cleared him that the charges were dropped and the NFL confirmed that he's not going to be suspended under the personal conduct policy. So he is cleared to sign somewhere. I'm not sure what team that could be. It might be a team that has an injury in the preseason. If the Texans lost someone, he has familiarity there. That's where you look to first. I don't think Buffalo would want him back again. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tremphaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start.

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39:27Dobbs. Then they settled for Chris Rodriguez, who knows Liam Cohen from Kentucky. But Chris Rodriguez is very limited, first of all. He's really not a factor at all in the passing. I think he can run the rock. I mean, he averaged four and a half yards per carry last year in Washington. But that's all he is. He's an early down grinder. And he pops up with this injury. He misses everything in the offseason. So he's not even having the capability to show the coaching staff that he could maybe be a factor, you know, as a pass blocker and or pass receiver. So it's been Bashal Tootin eating that up.

40:02LeQuint Allen returns, but he's sort of like a Samajay Pirine sort of player where he might play a decent amount of snaps, but the team is really not going to try to get him the ball. Bashal Tootin is really explosive. Coming out of Virginia Tech, he ran 4-3-2. He's got a lot of dynamic ability. He just needs to stay healthy, earn the trust of the coaching staff. Having all these reps in the offseason, I think, can help contribute toward him carving out a potentially clear-cut lead-back role in an above-average offense. Yeah, we are part of the tootin' hive here at NFL Daily. I think his tape last year was better than the numbers showed.

40:42He was always in a lot of short yardage situations, which kind of depressed his average. But just the burst, the juice that he has is obvious. And yeah, I think that's a good call. And yet he was not the official offseason MVP, according to John Shipley, who covers the Jaguars. That was my guy, Brian Thomas, who gets an offseason winner for me. I've talked about him a lot this offseason. I don't want to keep repeating myself, but it does feel like that. Well, he broke our collective hearts last year. Yes. I think the light bulb has gone back on here. He gets the offense that he's in. And Liam Cohen, who is not that generous with praise, like he speaks the truth, has just been saying all offseason how Thomas is dominating.

41:27And supposedly at practice, he's just been lighting it up and he has loved everything he saw. And so when you get one wrong, Silva, you know this as a fantasy analyst. you can either back off if what you see really worries you or as you watch on youtube a nice clip of of thomas weaving through a defense at practice or you can do a little dollar cost averaging stick with him if you thought he was a top 10 guy last year now he's going in like wide receiver 25 or something give me some of that and just go back to the well that's what i'm doing man i don't know what to do i don't know what he's like one of the hardest dudes to rank no because you do have aggressive be aggressive i mean maybe they do have parker washington they do have jacoby myers they do have two tight ends now after they drafted the kid out of texas in the second round to go with brenton strange you know um i just ah you know what they have to worry about that they have brian thomas jr the most talented player of all those guys you are not worried about right about that and he's going and he's going later uh in drafts like way later him and josh downs are probably my two favorite receivers i would say in fantasy to go get and that was the off-season ride-along presented by toyota because when people are the destination your ride is important learn more at toyota.com and find the vehicle that fits your people do Do you have anyone else that you really want to go for?

42:58I have a few for a speed round here, but if you have any that are burning a hole in your pocket that you want to get out there. I really like the landing spot. I'll burn out a couple guys that I like. Just real quick, Chigakonkwo, who quietly has 50-plus catches in three straight seasons, lands in Washington. There is a crevasse, a grand canyon of opportunity behind Terry McLaurin in Washington, and Jaden Daniels has shown that he can be an elevator of talent around him. Ryan Flournoy, you know, I think that he might be good. You know, he had two games over 100-plus yards last year. He returns.

43:40George Pickens, you know, he's kind of a wild card. You know, CeeDee Lamb has struggled with injuries in the past. Ryan Flournoy returning as the Cowboys' clear-cut number three receiver. I think he's a player that could take off in a pass-heavy offense. And then Emeka Egbuka. No more Mike Evans. I don't know what Chris Godwin has left in the tank. They brought back Cade Otten, but he's kind of a jag. And I think that the seas have parted maybe for Emeka Egbuka, who was awesome in the first six or seven games of last season. Then he got a hamstring injury and Baker wasn't playing well. This is the year that Emeka Egbuka, sort of like his former college teammate JSN, leapt to 100 catches in his second season.

44:23And Emeka Agbuka, who profiled very similarly to JSN coming out of Ohio State, could take that leap into the 100-catch territory this year. I just, you hurt my feelings. I had to make a face calling Kate Otten a jag. I mean, that man has a family. And that man, most importantly, landed in the top 20 of my free agents list. Maybe for fantasy, he's more of a jag. But I think he's a good player, Kate Otten. He's all right. You can block. You can do everything. You're saying, you know, everything's on the menu with Kate Otten. You can run any type of offense you want. Why do you got to take a shot at Kate Otten?

44:57Yeah. A jack of many trades, a master of none, a.k.a. a jag. No. No? A good blocker. Good player. Everyone's looking for Kate Otten. They're, like, reaching for prospects in the second round, hoping in a best-case scenario that they get Kate Otten. All right. But it's a fair point on the fantasy of it all. He's not going to get you excited. I like all those shout-outs. I'll throw out A.D. Mitchell as a guy that Zach Rosenblatt of The Athletic mentioned has had a really nice offseason. I don't know if he's going to be like a fantasy guy, but I have believed in his talent at the NFL level. I think he's done more than people realize.

45:37And Geno Smith was really talking him up as being a special type of talent. And kind of in that same bucket, there was a quote from Dan Campbell. I'm curious what you think of Isaac Tesla. Just saying that Tesla to him feels like a veteran. He knows everything. And you think about it, like, Tesla is starting for that team. That is a loaded group. It is a really nice spot to be a starting player when there's so much attention going to Amon Ra and Jameer Gibbs and Sam Laporta. Tesla is like the last guy you have to worry about. And now, you know, with Khalif Raymond not there, it seems like it's a small thing, but Tesla is going to be out there.

46:14And I think they really like Isaac Tesla. Our projections team has Isaac Tesla with the highest touchdown rate per target in the NFL this year. Now, we don't have him for many targets. But the question for me with Isaac Tesla is, you know, he had this like defined role last year. He's like a red zone specialist. coming out of college he was an absolute freak of an athlete I mean just a total total freak can he expand what he does and become more than that and you know earn like a 55 to 60 percent snap share in his second season because then I think that we could be talking about him as maybe like the next Alex Alex Pierce or something along those lines um but I don't know if he can get to that point.

47:08We'll see. I know. I didn't even mention Jamison Williams in there as a player that defense has to worry about. But yeah, it was more of like the vibe from Campbell and that I think he was swimming a little bit coming from a very different offense in college. And he said through most of his rookie year, but Campbell saying like it started to click for him late where I think he really understood what was going on around him. And now they feel more confident. My final winner was CJ Stroud. I'm just buying the haircut and that the body looks slimmed down and the way he's talking, the way everyone's talking.

47:43I'm very self-selective. As long as it confirms my priors, I'm into offseason talk. And I do think CJ Stroud is going to show up and go earn himself a nice big contract. Have you stayed on the CJ Stroud bandwagon? I have not. And that's not necessarily because of him as a player, although he hasn't really helped himself in a couple years. That's because the defense is just, I mean, the team is built around its defense. Where is he going to go in fantasy drafts? Is he even going to get drafted? I mean, he's like a low-end quarterback two slash quarterback three, like quarterback 23 to 25, somewhere in that range.

48:22Give me a top five quarterback or whatever it's going to be and give me C.J. Stroud in round 13, and I'm loving what C.J. Stroud's going to give me as a consistent. This is why you had to retire from the industry. You had to retire early. He could have a Dak Prescott-like career. He's just got to get the right offense. Speaking of quarterbacks, how about Sam Darnold? I know. Oh, yeah. Years ago, you came on this show, and you just talked up Sam Darnold as your one big sleeper. What year was that? Was that the Panthers season? Man, that was like. And you've never let me forget it. We've been battling over Sam Darnold.

49:04It almost got personal at times. I liked that. Well, it did for you. It never got personal for me. I love that Jeremiah continued that. Because Jeremiah would jab at you about that too, wouldn't he? Yeah. Well, Sam Darnold won the Super Bowl. Did that feel like. Redemption. Do you even have a team, Silva? Do you have an NFL team? No. Did that feel like your team winning the Super Bowl? just finally been proven right you won no because i Arnold because i was on the patriots to win unfortunately yeah that was dumb i know i know that at least i have an excuse you know where i grew up and everything uh wrapping up with uh some losers i have some losers i don't know if you have any more uh terry and arnold of the lions uh this isn't really fantasy related but i noticed that they said he's been practicing with the reserves that's interesting former first round to pick behind DJ Reed, Rock Yassin, and Khalil Dorsey.

49:56And Dan Campbell's been talking about wanting competition. He said some off-field stuff, so they might be punishing him a little bit for that. So that caught my eye. And then I wanted to read this quote to you from Zach Jackson of The Athletic, but this was on his podcast, Zach Jackson and Friends. I almost wanted to ask him permission to just play it because it was just delivered so well, but I'll try to do him justice. This is him. This is quoted from someone who watched all the OTAs about Deshaun Watson. Watson definitely had more highlight throws from these six or seven practices we saw. Almost every one of those was followed up by a bad miss.

50:36He's not accurate. He doesn't take care of the ball. He doesn't process. He's not a good player. I was just.

50:47and he said it with such disdain yeah in his voice just like they wanted deshaun watson to win this job going into the spring they made it very clear through this mary k cabot report through todd what todd monken said and based on apparently how he's played todd monken just couldn't give him the job because fitter was getting a little bit better but more importantly Deshaun Watson just didn't look like a good football player like he hasn't for the last three or four years. I'm kind of hoping that they give Shadour a chance this year. And then, you know, if it doesn't go right with him, Talon Green.

51:28How about some Talon Green action maybe down the stretch of the season? Let me add one more guy, all right? Like Marshawn Lloyd, who has been injured just constantly for the last two seasons since entering the NFL. But, man, we know he's got a lot of ability. He ran 4-4 at 220 pounds coming out of USC. He could catch passes. And he's been healthy this offseason. And Josh Jacobs has been dealing with his own off-field stuff. And if you look at the quotes from Ben Sermons, the Packers RB's coach, Matt LaFleur, and Jordan Love, They all just glowing praise of Marshawn Lloyd, who has earned the nickname the Yeet Cannon.

52:11Yeah, which I thought was really, really interesting. And I'm hoping that that will stick. And I've been drafting Marshawn Lloyd late in my best ball drafts because he's got some upside. And who knows what's going to happen with Josh Jacobs. The Yeet Cannon. I love that. I have been watching that situation wondering what they're going to do. because Marshawn Lloyd is a nice lottery ticket or even better of someone who could have a really high ceiling, but he just hasn't been able to stay on the field. And without really knowing in depth how the NFL is going to handle this, I think there's a strong chance that Josh Jacobs is not on the field for the Packers to start the year, considering the severity of the domestic violence charges against him.

52:56And so that's a team that's trying to win. Will they add to that position? Would it be Lloyd? Something to watch. I also think in terms of losers while we're at the Packers, like there's no Micah in the early portion of this season. When we started the offseason, everyone's ahead of schedule except for the ones that aren't. And the two guys that really stand out that I think are listeners, if they haven't been paying attention on a day-to-day basis here, that I'm worried about in terms of their recoveries, Micah Parsons, which is not a surprise that he would miss the start of the season. but it really sounds like that's where it's trending that I'll be on the PUP list.

53:30It might be a big chunk of the season coming off his injury. And then Malik neighbors, which I think it's a little more disappointing because he had a follow-up surgery. And I just don't know when he's going to be back, but the way John Harbaugh has talked about Malik neighbors is injury. It's going to be very difficult. I think to count on him to be a true wide receiver one for the giants, but even, you know, beyond the field and be productive necessarily. I don't know if that's going to happen in the first month, two months of the season. I'm not really sure what we're getting. So just a couple of final losers, unfortunately, is kind of that Packers defense who doesn't really have any edges other than Micah Parsons.

54:06And then, yeah, the Giants receiver group and Jackson Dart, too, because he really could use Malik neighbors out there. Where are you pricing neighbors these days? Oh, man, like I keep moving them down. You know what scared me about him, too, is like the day after the news kind of came out that Malik Nabors was not doing very good in his recovery. The Giants went out and literally signed three receivers on the same day. Juju Smith-Schuster, Braxton Berrios, and Odell Beckham. And I'm like, gosh, they are telling us. We are expecting Malik Nabors to at very least begin the season on the reserve PUP, at very least.

54:45Yeah, I think that's fair. And he's such a unique, dynamic athlete that really wins with his flexibility and athleticism even more than he ever did with his route running. And so you do wonder a little bit how if he's not 100%, how he will win right off the bat. And so that's a big time concern for him, for the Giants. I thought about putting Bo next year, but I think he's going to be fine. I'm a little worried that he's always got these follow-up surgeries, but I think he's going to be fine ultimately. So he's not on my list. No more losers. It's optimism season. We should just be talking all winners.

55:23Establish the Run is such a big winner that you guys have a freaking company retreat. How happy are you that you went off on your own? You guys don't have one of those with the Shield? I mean, no, we don't have a retreat. I'm happy to be here doing NFL Daily with the NFL and with iHeartMedia. But you went and you got entrepreneurial. You left World to World back in the day. And now you're killing it. You got enough dough to have a company retreat and you got all these employees. Congratulations, Evan. So good job at you. Thank you, Greg Rosenthal. I could not have done any of it without you, brother.

55:58Yeah, it was fun to catch up and talk fantasy. We'll be talking more fantasy as we get closer to the season. Let's take a three-day break here on this feed. Thank you to Evan Silva for joining me. Thanks to everyone, obviously, who checked out all of our content this week. The flag football extravaganza. I want to point everyone back to that. Me and Jordan Rodrigue back on Monday. That was fun. Patrick on Tuesday. We will be dropping in the feed a new time, a Sunday evening show. We're ranking the top 32 receivers in the NFL. That's next on NFL Daily. See you then.

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