Myles Garrett Traded to the Rams Stunner!

24:24Nick Shook:This is not that situation. There were a lot of different factors involved. Which is funny to think back on because it was like, well, they signed Vince Young and Nnamdi Asimolat. They basically just signed Nnamdi Asimolat to a good team. Yeah, this is not that situation. I think the Rams are going to be a very good football team, provided they stay healthy. And again, you have to do this now because you get out the scenario where they fall short. They don't make the Super Bowl, right? And it's like, oh, well, now we have one less year to do it. We might only have two. So you got to get it done.

24:50Nick Shook:I think that they'll be well prepared and now they're well built to do it. Yeah, I think they are the favorites. They will be the favorites, you know, in Vegas. No question. I think with everything we know, they are the most likely team to make the Super Bowl from the NFC, and they're the most likely team to win a Super Bowl. The problem, and this is tough to explain to, for instance, my daughter, who's a Rams fan, or just in general to have this concept, that like, yeah, the favorite has maybe a 15 % to 20 % chance to win the Super Bowl. Like, yes, they're the favorite, but even just to make the Super Bowl, I am absolutely taking the field over the Rams because the field includes an Eagles team, which has a lot going for it.

25:37The field includes the Seahawks, who are the defending champions and look great. A team in San Francisco, who is very much built to win now too. And the entire freaking NFC North, who could get you on a playoff Sunday. So I would take the Rams. And yet, if you gave me, can I get two other teams? I'm probably even taking just two other teams. If you gave me the Seahawks and the 49ers or the Seahawks and the Eagles, I'm probably taking those two teams even. But that's the business that we're in. And the point is to have a parade, and the Rams are going for that. And I think that's all you can ask for.

26:17Nick Shook:Yeah, it is. Actually, I was thinking about what teams would I take over the Rams. And I would throw the Cowboys in there as one of the teams I might take, just because I think they're going to have a bit of a resurgence here. If you're taking two teams, you're saying? or three teams? Yes, I'm taking two teams, not just the Cowboys. I'm taking two or three teams, not quite the full field, but I would throw the Cowboys in there because that's how hard it is to get it done. It's as simple as that. I mean, they were our favorite to make the Super Bowl basically until they lost that game in Seattle last year.

26:42Nick Shook:And even then, it was really hard to not lean toward them as the team you expected to make the Super Bowl. So yeah, it's, look, it's tough to win this league, but again, they are stocking themselves as best as possible to get it done. Andrew Barry has had one of the most surprising glow-ups in terms of public perception over the last year of any maligned executive, I can think so. I can think of. I don't forgive him for everything he did. All the dead cap that they have on their salary this year that we talked about in the episode that will never be heard, shook. I would love to parse out the moment we found out about this trade, though.

27:23Nick Shook:It's just like, oh my God. We're 15 minutes into an episode where we already spent about 10 on Miles Garrett because it started to feel like this thing was potentially real and we just wanted to speculate. But yeah, it's a team that is okay giving up the cap hit that they have in terms of dead cap in terms of this trade. If you wanted to explain, let's break this down. We haven't done this yet. Miles Garrett is due a fully guaranteed salary this year. Most of his salary, I believe$29 or$30 million next year of his$41 million is guaranteed very early. So ultimately, that's going to be guaranteed.

28:04He's making$41 million next year. So if you're the Rams and you're curious, you're a fan or just wondering, you're a Seahawks fan who wants this all to end as quickly as possible, it's probably a minimum two-year deal for Miles Garrett. in LA and we'll see like he has to be playing at a high level to continue on after that for the Browns they constructed this contract for 30 year old Miles Garrett at the time Miles Garrett who said from Cleveland to Canton you know after he he signed that deal uh turned out it's going to be Cleveland to Inglewood um he ends up getting one year and that the trade doesn't really hit them too hard in terms of a cap hit.

28:46So I believe they have$26 million in dead cap that will be split over two seasons. For what the Browns have eaten in terms of dead cap, you did the math where it's over$40 plus million in offensive linemen this year alone in that dead cap. Players that are not Miles Garrett, Joel Batonio, Wyatt Teller, like guys who even finished the end of their contract but they had to like move money around because deshaun watson's contract is so onerous and by the way they'll be taking some dead cat cap on that when he is finally no longer a void years baby oh my god void years like it is actually not much of a hit and they actually save cap space this year if you really care about that and you get you save a ton of cap space next year because that salary is not there it will you know create you know a situation for the rams where we'll have to make some decisions but like i said it's almost like replacing miles garrett next year with giving of jared verse long-term contract next year so from a financial side of it it kind of

29:48Nick Shook:makes sense for the browns yeah it does uh you get an affordable player uh you don't have the worst cap hit and moving on from miles garrett and again you get the asset you get the i use the term now to asset first round pick not player but first round pick next year and whatever draft consideration you get as well. Look, man, I think we're actually in a weird era in which we've seen a healthy amount of trades that were pretty even in the last year or so. This one, I think, is going to, years from now, look pretty even, even in hindsight. Okay. I think, look, there's a lot of pressure on Myles Garrett now to stay at this level.

30:26There's every reason to believe that he will because he's coming off one of his best seasons. You know, he didn't have, his pressure to sack ratio was absolutely insane. Actual total pressures were down slightly. Then again, he's forcing a fumble on rundowns like every other play it felt like, like he's as good a run defender as he's ever been in his career. He is absolutely one of one. You know, I ranked the best 25 players in the last 25 years, and Myles Garrett is steadily moving up that list. I think he's going to be in the top 10 soon, but he's got to perform at an extraordinarily high level to make this worth it.

31:04Shook, I believe that he will. And the difference, I think it comes to a stat that I see from Hayden Winks from Underdog, who notes that the sack percentage and kind of EPA per drop back for the Rams defense, Nick, last year on just regular four-man rushes was very average. It wasn't bad, but it was average. When they weren't sending extra rushers, they were a team that pressured well. They were a team that weren't horrible. But in the end, they were a little disappointing if they didn't send extra heat. They were kind of an average defense because they did not have a great secondary. Yep. And they didn't get home fast enough.

31:48Versus is a guy, and Byron Young's not really like this as much. But, you know, they had a group of guys who would create pressure but not finish the play. Garrett can finish the play.

31:57Nick Shook:He can definitely finish the play. And I have to give a lot of credit to Les Snead for acknowledging their weaknesses, their deficiencies by first addressing the secondary. And then this is like the cherry on top. Like, yeah, we're going to get better on the back end, provided we can stay healthy throughout the season. But we're also going to not just run back what we had before. We're going to upgrade there too, just to make sure that there are no crevices and chances that we can get exposed like we did in the playoffs, because that's when it matters most. And I'm very excited to see exactly how productive this team can be.

32:24Nick Shook:Again, you wish, you know, good health for every player. And that's going to be their, their biggest challenge, I think. But I would really love to see what Chris Shula is going to do with miles Gary and this defense. Cause like the Browns under Jim Schwartz, they like to move miles around. Sometimes they'd move them to the interior. Sometimes they'd take his hand out of the dirt and just try to create mismatches to where you couldn't dedicate extra blockers to him. Are the Rams going to do something similar? Are they going to keep them more in a, in a traditional place and trust the strength of the defense as a whole?

32:51Nick Shook:Because now front to back, it's a very strong defense. It's crazy. I mean, I'm still sort of wrapping my mind around that they really did this. And I'm thinking of like different winners and losers. Yeah, Chris Shula's a big winner. Obviously, there's a pep in the step of really anyone associated with the Los Angeles Rams today, including Sean McVay. But you know who's a sneaky winner? Who? You know who first had this like in print in terms of like online? Do you remember the name that I told you earlier? No, I have the notes in front of me, so I'm cheating on the test. Easton Butler from 24-7 Packers.

33:31Easton Butler tweeted about this. He covers the Packers for 24-7 Packers, like Packers Update, I believe it's called. He tweeted last night that he heard the Rams had offered a Ricky Williams-like godfather offer for Garrett and that this thing could be happening. Didn't really get picked up. everywhere and i'm not sure it's a ricky williams like offer it's not frankly maybe there was another rams offer though and i and i'll be interested to hear from jordan the process of how this trade went down wouldn't surprise me if we heard that there was a extremely pick heavy offer again and again from the rams and when we when ian rapaport says that they were persistent that eventually some of those picks turned into Jared Verse.

34:20And then that was the moment that the Browns were like, okay. Because shout out to Easton Butler. He got the general ballpark of it right. And even ESPN Radio said earlier this morning in Cleveland that they heard the deal was actually done, a rumor. And it sounds like they were right.

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38:53Nick Shook:That's cool. I was going to say not only back in the league, back where he started his career. It's just a, it's a homecoming. It's a situation in which Odell has finally found an opportunity to play football again with a team that could use him at receiver. You know, you got to wonder about the health of Malik Neighbors who suffered an injury last year. You need depth of the position. You lost Wondell Robinson in the offseason. They also signed Braxton Berrios. They are attacking the position with, with aggression, understandable aggression. I would love it. As somebody you got to know Odell in Cleveland, I would love it if his final chapter is going back to New York and being productive and helping them win games and start this turnaround that they've been trying to initiate for the last few years.

39:37Nick Shook:And then he rides off into the sunset with a reputation that is rehabilitated in the Big Apple. And everybody just says, we love you, Odell. Thanks for coming back and helping us out. Yeah, what's the best case scenario here? It's that, yeah, he helps out that young receiver group or really the one young receiver specifically in Malik Neighbors. And it's just nice. He gets some big ovations. He makes a few big catches. But let's be real. He's a 34-year-old receiver who was not in the NFL last year, partly because he hasn't been healthy, but partly because he just wasn't productive the last time we saw him.

40:11He played nine games for the Miami Dolphins two seasons ago. I don't think people really remember that. And he had nine catches for like 55 yards, wasn't moving the same. So he has no lock to make the team, but it is a cool story. And if he does make the team and John Harbaugh has a good relationship with him because he worked with him in Baltimore. And so that's a great sign that John Harbaugh believes in him. If he's there just as a role player, I've seen some, you know, haters out there being like, why are they using like a big graphic and making this out to be a big deal? Like he's a fourth, fifth receiver.

40:47This is one of the most famous football players of the last 25 years.

40:53Nick Shook:Yeah. You look disgusting. Can we not have fun? It's June 1st. It's Odell Beckham Jr. He drives clicks. He drives headlines. He is a name that everybody knows. People who don't know anything about football know who Odell is. Give him some time in the spotlight. It's good for marketing. But here's what he also is, Chuck. one of the greatest receivers early in his career that we've seen enter the league this century, full stop. Reception Perception is a site that Matt Harmon, our friend, runs where he logs every single route that a receiver takes, period. Who has the number one overall score in terms of getting open against man coverage in the history of his site in a single season?

41:40It's Odell freaking Beckham. who has two of the top four scores. It wasn't just one season of any season of any receiver getting open. This, when he came into the league, you know, I just can hear Chris Wessling's voice in my head so clearly. And we talked about it a lot on our old Around the NFL podcast that like, he is as good coming into the league as just about anyone that we had seen. Obviously injuries took him out, but he made that noise with the New York Giants. So of course we're going to be sentimental. And it's of course a big deal when a great, and he was a great for just a shorter time than you would have wanted for the New York Giants, rejoins his own team.

42:19It'll be fun. The catch. The catch.

42:21Nick Shook:That catch that everybody knows and that Madden put it in an animation and every third long downfield catch was Odell's catch again. That's how transformative it was. That happened at MetLife Stadium with Odell in a Giants uniform. Appreciate the history and the connection here, guys. that said if i wanted to be a jerk about this if you're watching us on on youtube again thanks to everyone joining us in the comments and everything you know they assigned two receivers they also signed braxton barrios and if you were forcing me to guess who is more likely to make the nfl roster this year probably braxton barrios you need you need returner help that's you just need a returner he's a special teams guy it's a one-to-one comp for gunner olshevsky not a name probably a lot of people are familiar with, but a very good return special teamer guy who unfortunately tore his ACL just last week.

43:16And it actually kind of made me laugh that the Giants signed Braxton Berrios first, the head of Odell, and he used the pick to take over for Oshesky because they're both similar undersized slot receivers that were initially with the New England Patriots. So it was just kind of like, oh, let's check off our last former Patriots undersized slot guy worked out well for us with Olszewski. Let's just sign.

43:40Nick Shook:And now we can go shopping. Odell, you come up. It's your turn now. You come sign a contract. Yes. Look, it's June 1st. This was the day we were waiting for Shook as we wrap up to arrive. Because what was it supposed to be? It was supposed to be A.J. Brown Day. Right. The show that nobody's ever going to hear, we started with A.J. Brown. Right. I've got news. I've got Abdul Carter talking about Jack's dart. I've got Michael Awenwu taking a pay cut. I feel like all that's beside the point. We might hit that on a news rundown later in the week. But when it comes to A.J. Brown, yes, June 1st was the day for people who are unfamiliar with how the contracts work in the NFL, where you kind of kick forward some of the contract penalties.

44:29is after June 1st, you can spread the money for any dead cap hit in terms of a trade over the next two years, 26 and 27. If you had done it before June 1st, you couldn't have done that. You would have to take a big cap hit. The Eagles would have to take a bigger cap hit if they had traded A.J. Brown before June 1st. As we're taping this, we're actually an hour and a half away from that magical hour. But as we saw with Miles Garrett, you can still have a report. You can have an agreement before that. We don't have any agreement yet for A.J. Brown. I'd love it if it happens, let's say, tomorrow morning before Jordan and I get on the horn and we talk about A.J.

45:10Brown, we talk about the aftermath of Miles Garrett.

45:11Nick Shook:You mean to tell me you don't want to just do this again? That's true. We could just pop back on today. I don't know if Eric Roberts, our producer, would totally approve of that, but I would. The one thing that moved it forward today in terms of A.J. Brown was a report from Jeff McLean of the Philadelphia Inquirer that believes a 2028 first round pick is going to be the compensation from the Patriots. What do you think about that compensation? Yeah, my initial reaction was a bit of a punch to the gut there because I would I would like it to be a first round in the upcoming draft. Just it feels a little devalued when it's two years out.

45:47Nick Shook:But if you're I mean, if you're really projecting what that pick is going to be, you expect the Patriots to be a competitive team. They did just make the Super Bowl. And so regardless of whether it's this year or the next, it's not going to be a high first round pick. It's still good value that you're going to get a first round pick from AJ Brown because Howie Roseman has almost no leverage. We've expected this to happen for months. We knew that they were going to divorce, that their time together was through. Jalen Hurts talked about him in the past tense last week. And so, yeah, this is about the best you can get.

46:18Nick Shook:I always, of course, I have a high valuation on AJ Brown just because of what he's done with the Eagles and what I still think he can do in the right offensive situation that is not the dysfunctional mess that has been the Eagles over the last three to four years but we are operating you know with different market forces in play including the fact that again how he can't really necessarily drive up the leverage unless another team wants to get involved and I feel like at this point they just want to get it done and move on already I think it's good they get in the first round pick that's pretty good yeah yeah I Who are they fighting against?

46:48Nick Shook:In a vacuum, I would like more than one first rounder. But then again, I think we also are in an area. This is hard to say this as soon as the Browns got a 27 first and Jared verse for Myles Garrett. But I think we often, when we look at star players in trade talks, we overvalue them comparative to draft compensation. And I think I'm still stuck in that, especially after what happened with Myles Garrett. It's not the age of a round that they traded for from the Titans because he's coming off a season that was injury marred early in the season. He looked quite good down the stretch and was very productive down the stretch.

47:22So I think that really helped his trade value. But he's getting up there, and he's not Myles Garrett. Myles Garrett's a generational player coming off of a record-breaking season. AJ Brown is not that. He is a really good number one receiver. As someone who pays his full credit card bill each and every month, doesn't like the debt. It just doesn't make sense to me. It's like that 2028 first. I mean, it's basically just as valuable other than the fact that, you know, we all might not be here in 2028 because AI is taken over by then or there's some massive, you know, weather emergency. Howie Roseman, if he wants a job, is running the Eagles.

48:05That first round pick is basically just as valuable to me as a 2027 first. I think that's pretty good. I think it's a fair trade for me.

48:11Nick Shook:It's fair. I mean, again, you can't drive up the price on a guy that you have no leverage on anymore. It's as simple as that. Unless another team wants to get involved. You know, the business is still open after four. Chiefs, you want to make a phone call, huh? We have a question asking, now that Miles Garrett was traded, the Rams must be out on A.J. Brown. Yes. The Rams were out on A.J. Brown the minute that that report got out there and that they had a conversation with Devontae Adams explaining to him that, hey man, sorry we were going to possibly trade you and bring in A.J. Brown, but now his salary is locked in and that ship had sailed.

48:56From everything we knew, they were then out at A.J. Brown at that point. Here's a question for you, Shook, and I don't know if you can do this right now to wrap up our show. Is trading for Miles Garrett a boost for the Rams? like when you play the dumpster trumpet on your twitch channel explain for the listeners what

49:13Nick Shook:that means okay so in moments in which you need to drive up the energy on my twitch channel when we're usually playing college football 26 i have a clip that i found on social media of a guy playing a trumpet into a dumpster and it's the trumpet to harden the paint by walk a flock of flame and it's just it's very loud it's it drives up the energy come on get out of your seats let's go we need some energy here so yes it is a boost for the rams like the dumpster trumpet and the dumpster trumpet never fails to deliver much like miles garrett never fails to deliver how about a boost for us shookie i went through the history of the nfl and i want you to get that trumpet ready is it potentially ready we can't surface it here now come on bro that would be a great way to end the show i would if i had control over this but i don't i'm feel i'm feeling this in my in my soul that it's just in the background right now i don't think there's ever been a trade like this Like Eric Dickerson was traded in the middle of a season.

50:08Again, the Rams involved. This time it's going the other direction where he was the leading rusher in the league the year before. And at a time when running backs were pretty much the biggest superstars in the NFL when they traded him to Indianapolis. And then he was the leading rusher in the league the year after. But that was in the middle of a season. Like draft picks are involved. In general, when you think about moves like this, Joe Montana was traded, one of the greatest players of all time. We didn't know what he was going to be like on the Chiefs, but he was not coming off his all-time best season.

50:44Again, it's just like picks. This time, it's for a younger player at the position. He's coming off his biggest season. I don't think there's ever been a trade like this in NFL history.

50:57Nick Shook:It's a Madden trade, I think. It's the type of trade that you don't want to extend your guy and you're in Madden and you go find a younger, comparable guy with a superstar development and you go get it done. But you know what? It's not. It's not the Madden trade from the irresponsible 11 year old who's just trading away future picks and willy nilly because he knows he's never even going to get to 28, 29. I think these make sense for both teams, for the Cleveland Browns, for the Rams. I don't think they're mortgaging their future. And as we wrap up, we actually get the update. Thank you to Ian Rappaport, who gives us the final details of the trade.

51:37It is officially Jared Verse, a 2027 first round pick. And here's where it gets interesting. The remaining picks for your Browns. you also get a 2028 second round pick and a 2029 third round pick. You will be reaping the rewards of this Miles Garrett trade into 2029. Who knows what's happening in the world then? We might have updated, you know, you might have hair by then, Shook.

52:09Nick Shook:Be still my beating heart. This is the best possible package realistically that you could get. it's a victory for Andrew Berry and it's a victory for Les Snead. I love it when things work out for both sides. Yeah, we spent the day not knowing what those other picks will be. I got to be honest. If you had asked me to guess what the other picks would be, I would have guessed the second round pick would have been involved. And so a second and a third and the third is further out isn't that much more than that. But ultimately, like if I'm a Browns fan and I see it was 28, you know the 27 first plus I think this is really good I think you're getting four players for Miles Garrett one of them is awesome and he is hopefully going to be part of your organization for longer than Miles Garrett is part of the Rams organization and then you get three you know lottery tickets they're not high lottery tickets it's a late first most likely and it's a second or in the third but that's how you continue to build up the Browns.

53:12I like it for both sides. I don't, I don't think it reflects poorly on the Rams that they gave up more, but I think it just confirms the fact that it totally made sense for a team in the Browns who had a guy who, by the way, didn't exactly want to be there.

53:27Nick Shook:Yep. And, and you know what? It was a great way to tie a bow on this live show that we did not expect to do today. And now that's weird. I'm not going to lie. That visual is still going to take some time to get used to. Miles Garrett in royal blue and soul, the name for the gold that the Rams wear. But that is our future now, folks. Life changes quickly. If you thought that you saw a lot of the Miles Garrett, Chloe Kim credit card commercial that is playing literally every break, if you happen to be watching the French Open on HBO Max, shout out to Adam Lefkoe and the coverage there. Great job.

54:02But Miles Garrett's going to be an even bigger star. He's getting all the promotion for this season, all the advertisements. It's everything that he ever wanted. And frankly, I think everything the NFL wants. And for Browns fans out there, yes, I think you've got to be pretty happy with what you got. You've got that magical moment with Andrew Siciliano calling that sack. Pretty amazing to think about. The final six minutes of Miles Garrett's career in Cleveland. Pretty storybook he sets the sack record with one of our good friends calling it. Man, what a day. Thank you, Shook. Let's hit that music.

54:40Let's get out of here. Thank you to everyone who joined us live. Thank you to everyone who's listening to us all week. Like. Do us a favor. If you're listening to this, like and subscribe. Leave us a comment on iTunes, on YouTube. Tell us that you enjoyed it. We will be back on Tuesday. Maybe it will be A.J. Brown trade. We'll also break down some more inner details from Jordan Rodriguez. We'll see you then.

55:07You asked earlier about whether Garrett being on the block is just a fact of, well, AJ Brown's out there. We got to talk about something. Is that why it's out there? People are just like looking for other potential trade candidates. It's almost like you knew that I had that as just like a mini section of the show. I tried to think about other potential trade candidates here. And we've got Kayvon Thibodeau is a possibility. He's just been out there for a while. Oh, boy. Oh, my. Holy s***.

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