NFL Daily 32: Ranking the Best Head Coaches

21:56No, I think that was, I think that was a value there at five. He could, he could have even gotten, gotten higher. That's a good job by Jordan. Um, you are up with number six. Uh,

22:08Ollie Connolly:I'm taking Jim Harbour. Whoa. All he does is win. That's all he does. You can, you can take all the fun, fancy schematic whiz kids you want. I'm taking the guys who went all the ball games. Um, and his willingness to boot out his friend after all these years and say, I'll go get my own little schematic whiz kid. I'll bring Mike McDaniel in here. We're going to renovate the offense. It's still in the image of what Jim Harbaugh wants it to be, but we're going to make it look new. It's going to be newfangled. It's going to be all the motion, the movement. I'm going to tie myself to a different style of coach with a similar underwriting principles that I believe in.

22:41Ollie Connolly:And you go through his coaching development. I mean, you can take it from the Michigan staff to this Chargers staff. no one identifies young coaching talent like Jim Harbaugh even down to what the Baltimore guys did for years now he's replicating of we need to build a minor league system in college football I know my DC's great he's going to leave I'm going to bring in my defensive backs coach and tell him go find a college job for a year get play calling experience when we lose Jesse Minter I'm going to call you back up to the big leagues no one else is having that kind of overall picture of where the sport is at pro to college and building out minor league rosters and sending coaching members out to lower levels so that when they're ready they actually have the skills and tools available to do the job when he calls them back up to the bigs yeah the the only question i guess i would have does he have his fast fastball still you know he's been around but he he won 11 games in each of the last two years two early rough exits but one you know despite a lot of injuries comes in with Harbaugh, you get an entire building way of doing things.

23:43If you're making this rankings for give me a coach that like for a franchise that organizationally usually has no idea what they're doing to completely change it. Like Harbaugh ranks even higher on my list than he would just in a normal situation. And you can see that. Like I know that they had the plans for the bolts and everything before Harbaugh got there, but he came in and he started literally changing things. and it just feels like an entirely different organization. He was 11th on our board last year, so a little higher. I had him closer to that this year. It's one of my takeaways from this entire process is actually we're in good hands.

24:21There's a lot of good coaches right now.

24:23Ollie Connolly:If he had brought Greg Roman back or he had kept in the family and brought someone else back in, I would feel similar to you. Like, okay, will this fastball maintain for the next two, three seasons or this year in particular? Going out and getting McDaniel tells me he still does have the fastball. he's willing to challenge himself. And that's maybe the most important things. Quickly, Jordan, before we take our first break, what's it been like covering Harbaugh here in the Los Angeles area?

24:46Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, it's fascinating. You know, you mentioned the changing, you know, around even some of the blueprint stuff. You know, we heard stories coming out of that whole process of his bathroom was too far away. So had the blueprint like changed because it was waste. He didn't want to waste time. I'm like, that's a football guy right there. He didn't want to waste time walking to the bathroom. Like now this is a third hand story. So please nobody aggregate me, but someone should ask him about it. I think that he, he just, he's a through and through football guy. I had him a little bit lower than some of these other guys that we've already talked about.

25:19Jourdan Rodrigue:Um, just because I think being a CEO coach can be a little bit of a double-edged sword. Now he backs it up. Uh, he he'll lose people every year. He backs it up because of what Dolly pointed out, he's developed his own hiring network. I think that gives him an edge, a very large edge over even his brother, too, because I think that his hiring network, it's very intentionally and thoughtfully done. And it is he's also expanding it into like tree guys. Right. And I think that it's I think that's a really interesting process and it's thoughtful and it's something that's going to serve him well, even if he continues to lose people every season in the juice, the energy.

25:55You cannot say that Batman is tired and he's getting his fingerprints in on that offense and defense. Let's take a quick break. We've gotten through the top six of our board, continuing on through the best coaches of 2026. Yes, it's our first NFL Daily 32 of the offseason. Back in.

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29:22I don't want to overreact to one tough year, and even one tough year. It wasn't that bad. On one hand, like, okay, you won offensive play caller. I think Dan Campbell offers a strong offensive mindset in addition to everything that's gone on when Ben Johnson was there, and when he wasn't. And he took over the Lions and they're 48 and 36 since he's come over. I think his initial staff really showed the big picture thinking that you want and gives me confidence that I know every hire hasn't been perfect since, but that he'll be good at that. And we're talking about like a leader overseer. I think he kind of combines Jordan a little bit of the broad kind of Jim Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin in control of an entire building with the offensive acumen and just knowing the league really well.

30:18To me, he's right in his prime, so I feel like I'm getting the value here at number seven.

30:22Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, he's still in my tier one of coaches on my coaching big board here. And even with the stumble last season, I have full faith that he can hire. That's the thing. I think he really can identify coaching talent and I think learned a really big lesson last year, especially on the offensive side, that it's, you know, obviously not going to always come from your internal development program and to maybe strengthen some of that internal development. A lot of coaches learn this over time, especially if they are in that CEO coach role. And and similar to what I said about Ben Johnson, the floor is competence for the Lions.

30:57Jourdan Rodrigue:I don't know that seven years ago we were ever going to say that about the Detroit Lions. How about 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago? You got to go back to like the 60s or whatever with Charlie Connerly or something. It's amazing. Totally. And so I think it's also like this was a culture hire just as much as it was a competence and competitiveness hire. And I think, too, one of the things he really has in his favor for me and why he is so high on my board is that he works so well, seemingly, with the front office, with ownership. it is a collaboration and they haven't really had you know that split or that power struggle happen yet you know you never know it could over time a lot of times these things sometimes ebb and flow within these teams but you've really seen a lot of collaboration and a lot of understanding of the types of players that Dan Campbell wants to coach those are the types of guys that they go after was taken third overall last year so yeah it's a slight fall down to seven all right You're up, Jordan, with the number eight pick.

31:59Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, this is where things get a little tough. I'm going to go Sean Payton here. Same. I would have done the same. If we are going into right now and not, even with his, you know, obviously a massive resume here, but still, I still think he's got his fastball, honestly. And I also think it's very situational fit for an organization. If you hire him, you must understand that he runs the entire show. in the right situation. I don't think that's a bad thing. And I also wrote in my notes here, he may fight the quarterback, but he will get the most out of him. Yes, I think that's a great thing. And it's crazy to think about.

32:40All right, we're at number what, eight of the draft? I mean, we talk about the Shanahan tree. Two of his guys, Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson, have already gone. So he's 181 and 103 in his career. I love that his winning percentage, Ollie, is almost the same in Denver as it was in New Orleans. Like you get a little bit of drama, but you're going to get offense. And he's that dude.

33:02Ollie Connolly:He is. I really thought I was going to be able to steal him in this draft because people seem to be lower on him just because of the curmudgeonly, whatever you would describe it as style. I had a seventh overall, yeah. Yeah. But the thing I think that separates him from all the other kind of offensive gurus, particularly in his era, is his deep commitment and obsession with pass protection in a way that those kind of, I mean, he's known as the deep vertical passing game guy because of those Saints offense. no one is as obsessive with changing the protection plan week to week which in an era that we're playing in with all the mugged up blitzes and all the different pressures like it is the force multiplied to their offense that i just don't think other people have that kind of advantage the shanahan guys have a very slim number of protections that's why the mcdonald defenses gets after those guys they've figured out ways to break down their protection plan you can't break this guy down you slap luke wattenberg in as a guy no one's ever heard of before all of a sudden you have the best offensive line in the nfl because the protection plans are so advanced and so ahead of everyone else.

33:53Ollie Connolly:So if you dropped him on any team next season, I think they would have the best setup to try and take on these great defenses in the NFL because he just thinks about it in a different way and is willing to put everything on the menu. And it's why he's able to maximize even quarterbacks who have some limitations. Hell, he can take Zach Streif, like an assistant coach from New Orleans and be like, I'm going to pluck you, you know, former player, put you in Denver, and we're going to have the best offensive line in the league in the first time you've ever coached offensive lines it's pretty awesome uh you are up with the ninth pick ollie i'm gonna take matt lafleur um now it runs against my instincts i like the defensive guys i like the global head coach guys um but i still i will go to my footballing grave thinking that the best two offenses i've ever seen that were very melodic and just beautiful symphonies were the 2011 patriots and matt lafleur of aaron rogers and davante adams and i still believe that guy is in that now does he butt heads with people on staff?

34:48Ollie Connolly:Is the weird stuff with the front office? Does he care about defense? I'm not sure. Does he care about special teams? I think he couldn't give to anything about special teams. But I cannot let him continue to fall when I think he can put together at any phase of his career the best offense in the league at any time. It's totally fair. Also, by the way, a winning percentage of 654 in his career, like an outrageous number. The offensive efficiency numbers over the last six years, 6th, 4th, 12th, 2nd, 1st, 8th, 9th. This board has gone almost too closely to my exact board. He was almost next on my board, but next was actually D 'Amico Rines, and that's more closely to your global thinking defensive.

35:27I had him eight. I had LeFleur nine. They're right there. Bit a little mixed on his OC hires, but in terms of consistency, his ability to develop defensive players, also develop his staff, identifying talent. I think he's a part of identifying the people. Well, the scheme just it just works second and third over the last two years. A guy that you really love, I think, even more than some of the guys ahead of him here, representing your franchise at the podium. A guy that I think the entire building believes in wholeheartedly and a guy, Jordan, I can just imagine holding up a Lombardi trophy. So I want him to do it for me here at a pick.

36:03What are we at? Ten? Pick ten.

36:05Jourdan Rodrigue:Yes, he was actually above Dan Campbell on my board this year. I'm still in that very high tier one of coaches. Really, really strong team identity and culture. His defense, I know defense is simple at an NFL level, but relatively speaking, his is straightforward. Everybody in the league seems to know its rules and they still cannot stop it. And he understands the exact types of players that he wants to bring it to life. And they would run through a wall for him. They would lay on train tracks for him, whatever he needs them to do. he would do it and he can teach it he can teach it to his coaches he also does not have an ego about who the play caller is matt burke called their defense last year and he was able to retain his coordinators i just think he's people want to coach for him people want to play for him i think he is as strong a coach as there is in the nfl right now and certainly um deserves to be in our top 10 i mean literally yeah he might be the strongest so that's important too ollie

37:05Ollie Connolly:this one hurt you taking this up this this one really hurt i can't believe i didn't take but we're on the same team so ultimately you should be happy when we put out the graphic you know when we put out the graphic he'll be nice and he'll be nice and high he was ninth by the way last year so very consistent yeah but him not being under my column that's that's gonna pay me pay me for weeks the thing that i think is really exciting about domico moving forwards i think the defensive style they run which jordan suggested is it is simplistic in nature it's been the same since the Niners days. There has to be some evolution to counter what's coming here from the offensive side of the ball.

37:36Ollie Connolly:And when you see someone like Robert Sala, who's a really good defensive coach, they're built in a similar mold in terms of style. He's not showing the penchant for evolution the way that D 'Amico is. And I thought the Caden McDonald selection was really indicative of them recognizing our style is awesome. We play with all pro players on every single level. We get after it every single down, but we have to have some adaptability in our front when we come up against certain game plans. So I think he's showing that he's willing to evolve and adapt over time if they need to.

38:05Jourdan Rodrigue:You must have just been in France. I did. You just said pension. I like that.

38:09Ollie Connolly:How was Paris, Ollie? Heavy would be the word I would use to describe it. So much cheese, so much wine, too many cigarettes. Beautiful time, I buy all. That, I'm jealous. We've got to try to get there for the Saints game next year. Jordan, you are up with the next pick.

38:28Jourdan Rodrigue:This is a tough one for me. I'm still in my in my tier one, but I've entered what I kind of a big tier. We're at pick 11. Well, yeah, it's like 10, 12 people. That's most most first round boards are 10, 12 players. You know, God, like learn about scouting, Greg. So I really have what I call a gray area here where it's incredibly talented coaches. And I had two of them in this bucket still in my top coaching ranking. but where I know what they are and I know what they're capable of and they have an incredible resume and you know that they would be successful. You also don't know really who you would hire over them if you were to part ways with them, but they just haven't reached that next step forward.

39:17Jourdan Rodrigue:And I actually had Matt LaFleur in this bucket, even though he was extremely high on my rankings, but I also have Kevin O 'Connell in this bucket as well. And I think I'm going to pick him here, Kevin O 'Connell. What is this? Pick 10, pick 11. And it's, it's a combination of, I know what his potential can be. I think he has, um, you know, showed that he can be flexible with a wide range of talent that he has in his building at quarterback, but less so even than the quarterback, which frankly, we still do have to see proof that he can develop one from the ground up. I think that his hiring is really highly, highly competent.

39:55Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that pivoting after that first year where it didn't work out with their defensive coordinator and then pivoting to Brian Flores was an egoless hire because if you bring Brian Flores into your building, he is going to be better than you at he's going to be better at defense than you are at anything else in your entire life. Like he's just and he and he also you have to understand how to explain him to the rest of your organization in terms of let him go off into his office with his key players, who he's going to set the game plan in and his coach, and let him cook. And then you run the rest of the show, and it never is bumpy.

40:30Jourdan Rodrigue:And that's super, super rare to do in an ecosystem like that. He's taking on more of a leadership role or more power in front office. It seemed like that's something that he has wanted for a couple of years. So I'm interested to see how this goes. I would like to see him take another step forward and I'm buying on the potential there. So he is my pick at this pick point. 43 and 25. He's definitely got the juice in the building and that's without amazing quarterbacks. A little blind to the running game, I think, as an offensive guy is a knock for him. But he was my next guy and we've almost picked off my board exactly in order.

41:06Jordan, rather, Ali, you are up next with the 12th pick.

41:12Ollie Connolly:I'm going to take Mike Vrabel. How confident are we that he's a head coach who's available to be taken in this spell? I mean, you have to take him. He's definitely an awkward person to talk about right now. And I agree. Like you can't say with a hundred percent confidence that he's the coach of the Patriots in 2026, but I would think that he is. As a coach, uh, turned around a complete mess everywhere he goes is built to one very clear image it's in that dan campbell vein i think we've seen it in two different spots and i just have we talked about staff assembly with him he showed a egola streak to go and bring josh mcdaniels back and i don't think that was a frictionless relationship i don't think it will continue to be a i don't know if that was totally his choice either though but you never know you know but being willing to acquiesce during negotiations he had a huge amount of cachet going into those negotiations the patriots wanted him desperately he had a pick of teams he could have at least flirted with to up the ante there and was willing to say it's probably the right thing for drake may even though it's not my ideal to bring josh mcdaniels in and to bring staff under josh mcdaniels who were josh's guys which is going to build one side the building which is like not my guys um and i thought the nick kerr thing during the season they obviously had the really difficult situation with terrell williams and the guy he picked out was someone who only had play calling experience at a d2 college before he called plays in the NFL where he could have easily done the Dan Campbell thing, which was when things are maybe not going the way you expect them to in your that CEO style of coach.

42:41Ollie Connolly:More of me is the answer. The offense doesn't look exactly what I think it looks like. What's the answer? More of me. I'm going to start calling the plays. And instead he empowered a 36 year old coach to call defense and it led them to a Super Bowl. This is right where I had him. And I wasn't, you know, factoring in his personal issues right now, really into the equation. He just hasn't shown to provide like a schematic advantage defensively over the course of his career. He did have those two poor seasons in a row and in the infighting in Tennessee. And that's just knocked him like slightly below the rest of the great coaches.

43:13But like I said, the fact that we have Liam Cohen on the board still and some other good ones this late, I think, is a is a testament to how good the coaching is in the NFL right now. Like the only reason to me he wouldn't be higher is just you just want to see it a little more. How does he handle the adversity? How does he handle the relationship with the GM? He runs a little hot. So when things go against him, in terms of a schematic advantage and coming in and having a vision and making it happen right away, I think you can argue he was as impressive as Ben Johnson. I know, Ali, you would have had him very high going into last year, and he really lived up to that billing.

43:54And I think if all else fails, the first thing I'm looking for is just a great offensive play caller. And I do think he's going to have real staying power as a coach in this league.

44:04Ollie Connolly:Yeah, I think for as long as he's coaching the league, he'll be one of the five best schematic designers and sequential play calls around. I think it's already McVay, Reed, Shanna and Cohen and Johnson. I think those just the five guys is a clear separation. He is a little bit different, I think, than Ben Johnson to me in terms of the overall building stuff, the interpersonal management. I do worry how that sustains over multiple seasons. But this is just for a one year exercise. I would like to have one of the five best offensive play calls as my, as the floor of what we're doing here.

44:33Jourdan Rodrigue:He's already showed a knack for hiring too. That was a big quality in, in my, in putting guys in different tiers on my board. Um, high tier guys can hire and he is one of them. He took a chance on hiring two inexperienced coordinators on offense and defense. And obviously the offensive coordinator doesn't do a ton, but I think it's unsaid or undersaid how much an offensive coordinator for a play calling head coach takes off of the plate of that play calling head coach throughout the course of a week as they're setting the plan and the defensive coordinator too. And it worked out super well. And just knowing a little bit about what the process this offseason was just worked so hard to retain them too.

45:13Jourdan Rodrigue:And, and really, you know, understood the importance of, of that and how crucial that would be to have that continuity into a second year as a head coach. which I think that showing a knack for hiring in this way bodes well for him over the long term because he will start losing his people for sure. And another NFL Daily guest, this time at the Super Bowl, making the rounds and just, you know, very friendly, talking to everyone before and afterwards, you get a little bonus. Oh, he loves the life. He loves this life. You could tell. I'm a little almost surprised, concerned that the hive mind here, my top 13 on the board are all off after the first 13 picks almost in order.

45:53You are up, Jordan, with the 14th overall pick.

45:56Jourdan Rodrigue:Yes, all of my tier one guys are gone except for one. And this is where I might throw a little bit of a curveball at you guys because I'm going with Brian Schottenheimer here. And I know. So, okay, first and foremost, I like his offense. Their record is what it is last season, but I really like his offense. It's clean. It's explosive. The quarterback clearly understands it can make it sing. He really did well to bring in Clayton Adams. This is an intentional thing that smart coaches do when they go and they hire. Sean Payton just did it with Zach Streif. When they go and they hire like one of the best offensive line coaches you can hire, make him your offensive coordinator and understand that the vultures will not be sniffing around that guy for a couple of cycles because he has specifically that offensive line background and not, say, a quarterback background.

46:46Jourdan Rodrigue:So it's very, very smart what he did there. He hired, he went out and hired to me, one of the best young defensive minds in the game right now in Christian Parker to continue to shape their defense. He pivoted off of Matt Eberflus. He brought him in because he did need a voice in the room. Brian Schottenheimer has the sort of like, I say this respectfully, like the Nepo pedigree that he does have. And yet he still was egoless enough to understand he was not going to bite by any means, no at all. He was going to need to delegate to somebody. It did not go well for them in terms of the quality of their defense during that time.

47:20Jourdan Rodrigue:But but also he pivoted very quickly once he understood I've got the level set here as a head coach of what I need. And I was able to install my offense and get it off the ground. And frankly, I give him huge points for being in this job, which is the most unique job, I think, in the NFL because of the personalities in your front office and at ownership and managing it really well. Like being able to just surf it in a very interesting way where you're totally unbothered by it. And yet you're still getting your work done and you're getting stuff done and you're making progress. So I think he is going into year two.

47:54Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm super high on him. I'm buying into potential here. And I think he is going to continue to be one of the better coaches in the league. He might be top five in terms of can handle the Cowboys job of people on this list, which is it landed great for him. I think he's got the juice. I think he's got ideas. I think he's got emotional intelligence. I said it before he even coached the game. I thought he'd be a better head coach than he necessarily was like a coordinator. A little maybe if he has strength, like a John Harbaugh, but like the early version of John Harbaugh. And so I don't think that's a reach at all.

48:25I had him 16th. You took him 14th. I think there was a bit of a tiered break, at least for me, after Cohen. And I like Schottenheimer there. I'm very curious where Ali is going to go with this next one.

48:38Ollie Connolly:before I make the pick, I got to say it's getting a little insulting for Nick Sirianni. I completely understand why I've not taken him myself. He has coached two teams to the Super Bowl. I'm going to take him Brian Schadenheimer ahead of him. I just want to make that clear. But my pick to double down the insult to Nick Sirianni. But you're not taking him. No, I'm not taking him.

48:53Jourdan Rodrigue:We're all looking for the guy who did this.

48:56Ollie Connolly:I'm going to take Jesse Minta, the head coach of the Ravens.

49:00Jourdan Rodrigue:Our first first-year head coach is now off the board. Yes, unlike last year, we wanted to make first-year head coaches eligible. Why not? And yeah, he would have been my next guy. I mean, what do you think versus him? Him and McDonald in terms of being kind of the vanguards of defensive coaches right now, Ollie.

49:19Ollie Connolly:The thing, I think Jesse Mintz is a special defensive coach. I have no idea how he's going to handle the pressure. You lose three in a row, Lamar hurts his toe, something like that. I don't know if he's got those kind of chops. But as a defensive mind, I think he's operating on a different level. and if you even go back to Michigan, he instituted stuff that was not schematic. So the schematic is usually the focus, but in terms of how they actually practiced, what they would do during the work week to be able to enact the scheme on Saturdays, Mike McDonald came back and took that stuff, then took that stuff to Seattle.

49:49Ollie Connolly:So the guy who's considered the best in the business went and said, this guy's doing stuff better than me. I'm going to go take what he's doing. And there's a real Belichickian flavor, I think, to how he operates, not in terms of how he comes across in the charisma levels, I would say, but he did things as basically as everyone has all the coaching cliches what they're looking for what they're trying to run and he went the step further of saying if I'm going to teach block destruction if I'm going to teach obnoxious communication why don't I have a block destruction expert and specialist who goes room by room teaching that stuff to our players rather than just handing it off to the position coaches where there could be some kind of miscommunication it might not all be aligned and so I think you just see both at Michigan with the charges and I think we'll see it again with the Ravens just being so fundamentally sound which then gives you the base to do all the fun creative stuff in the scheme game so i just think that the way he ran that building at michigan reminded me of when belichick was first in new england he would do things like bring the offensive staff in to talk to the defensive players here's what we've seen in your game watching film here's how we'd attack you it's just a different level of scope and thinking than just being this kind of defensive mastermind who can game plan really well i think that speaks to someone who can go in there and run an entire building i believe and it's interesting that when he was in the Ravens building, they didn't necessarily see him that way.

51:04And so because it's so connected, I'm just going to take my next pick, which is 16th. It is the guy who was, you know, once his boss, John Harbaugh. It's partly that I'm just afraid of him, that if he falls any lower, that John Harbaugh will come go after me. 63 years old. And it's only his second spot. I'm always wary of the guy at their third spot. Like, he's still going to be able to do it. But it is his second spot. But he was there so long, it almost, It feels like a third spot. I do think, Ali, you've talked about this, that he's offering a little bit more in the defensive meeting rooms than people really understand.

51:41And I do think, kind of like a Sean Payton and a Harbaugh, like Jim Harbaugh, that he can take what has been one of the worst franchises in the league, the Giants, for a decade and completely change it from the ground up. And that is worth a lot. So I think him falling any further would be wrong.

51:59Ollie Connolly:I do think his best skill set, from what I understand, is asking why of the coaches all the time. They have all these ideas. Why would we do that? And just being able to synthesize and limit stuff. It's fun to have the most expansive playbook in the league, but if you're doing it for no reason or it's just there to be ego coaching, I do think he strips the ego out of a lot of coaches. And when you see all the Wunderkin coaches he had come through that he would send to his brother at Michigan, then they would come back up to Baltimore, you can see the difference in what Minta was doing and what McDonald were doing at Michigan to now, it's not as expansive.

52:29Ollie Connolly:It's not quite as creative, but it's better. Our team just won a Super Bowl, one of the best defenses we've seen in the past decade. I think Harbaugh has a real great ability to go through staff meeting by staff meeting to get the most out of his coaching stuff.

52:40Jourdan Rodrigue:Have we talked enough about kind of how Shakespearean the Minter arc is, honestly? Because he was clearly somebody that John Harbaugh was training, essentially, and wanted him to be one of these Mike McDonald like legacy guys and all of that. But the second that he goes with Jim Harbaugh and then has the springboard to becoming a head coach who then replaces John Harbaugh, it's like Jedi master kind of stuff here and protege stuff that I wonder what happened along the way, like the slight twist in the path that he was traveling that led him to now sort of supplant his former mentor. I'm curious.

53:21Jourdan Rodrigue:I would love to do that story, actually. Nobody listening, don't take that. It is all delicious. I love the intermingling of these coaching trees, and that's a unique one with the brothers. We're halfway through. Eric suggests, good idea, to just kind of remind people who are still on the board. So no particular order. We've got like Todd Bowles has been to some playoffs. Mike McCarthy has not been taken. Shane Steichen, Kevin Stefanski, Zach Taylor, all the new coaches except for Jesse Minner in terms of the first-time coaches. Sirianni, it has been mentioned, has not been taken. And yeah, if we look back at last year's draft, and now's as good a time as any, you could put that on the board.

54:06Mike Tomlin was taken 10th, no longer in the league. Sean McDermott was 12th. That's our highest guy that got fired. Pete Carroll looks a little high in the light right now at 13th overall, and Dan Quinn. And the biggest come up this year is definitely Mike McDonald going from 19 to the very top. Man, he was a little underrated there last year. So that was our draft last year. We're at 17th overall. It's the pick of Jordan Rodrigue. Who are you taking off this big board?

54:37Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm taking Shane Steichen. I think that he does give a team an advantage on offense. I think he has a very interesting relatability with the quarterback. He also sounds just like Phillip Rivers when he coaches and when he talks. So I don't know if anyone's gotten a chance to hear him on like the mic depths or anything like that, but you should go listen because it's really strange how alike that they sound. But I think that even though he's a bit of a different personality and I spent some time there this last season in Indianapolis and really started to understand like what people meant by that and, and just unique, creative.

55:17Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that now with a little bit more, um, of an exhale of that security, um, because even if, even if the sisters were going to part ways with Chris Ballard this year, um, I believe they were always going to keep Shane Steichen. I think that he is somebody who they believe they can really build a new era of their franchise and their culture with and around. And a lot of that is the connectivity to the quarterback. I think he can reach a range of style of quarterback. Now, obviously, he clearly has styles that he prefers, but I do think that he can develop and really get the most out of a player.

55:51Jourdan Rodrigue:And I really like the layers that he develops in his passing game. I kind of have yet to see long-term proof of a lot of the other things that we've spoken about here with our top coaches, a knack for hiring year over year, people chasing and copying his stuff. I sort of think, though, that this season is when you start to see a little bit more of the Shane Steichen that he wants to be emerged. And so, again, I'm sort of drafting off potential here. Yeah, if he's if he has a healthy enough quarterback, he was the next on my list, too. Again, it's like we the 17 are the same. He is betting on like taking him now is is betting on what I think a lot of people in the league believe is like this guy's got it.

56:3125 and 26 with very shaky quarterback play. But the communication maybe with the media, maybe in terms of with his players, I don't know, feels a little odd sometimes. I do think he's a good shapeshifter, though, in terms of needing to do what's required.

56:46Jourdan Rodrigue:I'll tell you, the guy that you see on the post, see, I went in there and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have to sit down with this guy and I'll be the one talking for most of it. And you kind of prepare yourself. Could not have been more opposite. animated, detailed, lively, tons of character, just a big personality, really total ball nerd. Like, and I was like, um, and I talked to the local beat writers there who do a great job on that beat down there in Indianapolis. And they're like, yeah, he does off podium sessions like quite frequently. And this is, this is not the same guy on the podium as off the podium.

57:23Jourdan Rodrigue:So it's, it's really interesting that the juxtaposition, but I was glad that I, I got to see like what he kind of really is about. I actually think that's like a slight knock, not the biggest thing in the world, but I think if you're running a team, like you want a coach that can be comfortable to represent the franchise in front of the podium, like just like a slight knock. What does that indicate? They can't just be a little bit more yourself all the time, but it's also where I had him here.

57:47Ollie Connolly:I would say on him though, he might be, if you pull the coach in the league, which Jordan should also do for a story, he might be when they get the Monday cut up of the explosive play reel, which all these guys like to watch on Monday, the one they all go to to pinch from is Shane Steichen. Just the one-off designs, he is absolutely masterful at that. And I think, I mean, Cliff Kingsbury stole his run game from Philadelphia, Hull Cloth, and Washington Clayton Adams, who I think we all really admire. He stole that thing, Hull Cloth, for the Cowboys last season. So I do think he's got a way higher reputation as just the offensive mind.

58:18Ollie Connolly:His just kind of like media braggadocio stuff isn't on the scale of someone like Kyle Shanahan. Yes, like that was my number one note for him was like the league believes in him. I think people like he would, if he did, if he had lost his job, it's a little bit of a cliche, but he's like that other insiders say, but he would have been hired right away. And I think there would have been a lot of competition for him. All right, you're up, Ollie, for number 18. Well, I'm going to have to begrudgingly take Nick Sirianni at this point. Thank you. Thank you for just doing that to reduce the amount of hate that we're going to get.

58:49But I don't know. Do we? Are Eagles fans mad for ranking him low? I don't know.

58:53Ollie Connolly:Maybe not. I mean, we got to see what it looks like. Yeah, just mad generally. We got to see what the run game looks like without Jeff Stoutland. I have no idea how much impact and influence he has on that offense year to year. Whenever they try to change it, they pull away from it after five, six weeks. Every single time, even when they install new stuff, they back away after three weeks. How much is the quarterback? How much is the head coach? How much is the OC? But he has nailed some hires. They do win a whole bunch of games. And I'm running out of other stuff to say. If I was running a franchise, he would not be on my list to hire.

59:28Ollie Connolly:I think I could find many of the names to hire. Well, that's what this exercise is, Ollie. He also has the best winning percentage of any active head coach in the league. And he's not been doing this for two seasons. And he's been to two Super Bowls. So at some point, he's got to go off the board. I have to admit, I had him 23rd on my list, even lower.

59:44Jourdan Rodrigue:I think, and I'll help you out here on this one, Ollie, because I do think you touched on something that is so, so, so important. with some of these guys, they're not going to be the right fit for every franchise. Man, has this guy been the perfect fit for this specific franchise? I am higher on him in general. I obviously didn't pick him because I value certain traits and qualities over the coaches that I did pick over Nick Sirianni per se. But I have to say of probably almost any coach in the entire NFL, the difficulty of going into that building, which is already set up very Game of Thrones-esque, very like, you know, scratch and fight to get to the, you know, the right hand and the left hand of the GM, like all of these things, highly, highly competitive atmosphere.

1:00:32Jourdan Rodrigue:It does leak into and trickle into the locker room in a way where players also feel it. But a lot of the players, it has gotten the best out of them. You need a coach with the very specific personality to be a lot of things at once and be sort of a shapeshifter just as a leader to reach all of those different dynamics that are happening. The fact that they have been as successful as they have been, a lot of it's obviously the talent and the players are super, super talented. Howie Roseman brings in great players, but also to get the best out of many of them, most of them, has taken really, really good interpersonal coaching.

1:01:12Jourdan Rodrigue:And where I don't necessarily see him give a scheme advantage or a situational advantage, the interpersonal coaching that he can do, I think is really excellent. And so that's why I've always been higher on him than I think the, maybe the national conversation has been because you have to be in the right market for that to work. And I think he is the perfect fit for team and franchise organization, uh, the ecosystem that he's in. And that's, you know, I, I, I like him for that. I wouldn't necessarily pluck him out and place him just on any team. Yeah. It's, I think very similar to our conversation with Schottenheimer and the Cowboys that that is a very specific job I think that is one of the most specific jobs that you would need a certain skill set but I do think part of his issue is just PR how he presents himself to his team to the media which is which is part of it and how his team frankly presents the coaching position in general that they a little bit devalue it they they make him look bad in a way but that's that's part of being a coach also is how you are presenting.

1:02:15And we can say all the nice things about him. He still fell out of the top half of this draft. So we spoke loudest with our drafting. Let's take a quick break. I'm going to actually take a coach from another very specific job that I'm not so sure it's going to be a perfect fit, but we'll find out in just a minute.

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1:05:52I think to succeed there, and that doesn't even include the Aaron Rodgers of it all. I'm just saying organizationally. It's going to take a certain sort of coach. By the way, as we're taping this, Aaron Rodgers is coming to Pittsburgh this weekend and it is expected that he's going to be on the Steelers this season. Presumably, he'll sign his contract this weekend. The funniest part of that news, though, is Mark Caboli, who knows his Steelers, said the Steelers were unaware that he was coming to town. He just decided to come and the media found out before they did. So that's amazing. And it's really amazing if Mike McCarthy is coaching Aaron Rodgers again in the year 2026.

1:06:30I'm worried about third stop guys, Ali, and whether he still got it. He seems a little too surprised to be the head coach. But I do think just technically he can coach quarterbacks. He can coach offense. And if and I know it's not a lifetime achievement award, that's why he's he's fallen down here to what the 19th pick. But if you only looked at his record and playoffs for what it's worth, it's identical to Sean Payton. And it's like, yeah, it's Sean McVay's winning percentage or whatever, but over twice the amount of time. And so that does count a little bit for me that I think the floor of how he coaches up offense technically will be relatively high.

1:07:11And so I feel OK, Mike McCarthy here at night.

1:07:13Ollie Connolly:I've always been confused why Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton aren't bucketed together and one gets a degree of props where draft picks are traded and teams are going to fire their sitting head coach go get one and the other one gets national conversation like he's some kind of bumbling fool who was held up by Aaron Rodgers throughout his time in Green Bay. he's a true offensive pioneer who never gets any of that credit it was a synthesis of his design with the talent the the high wattage talent of rogers together that made them go for so long until it started to to fall off towards the end he i am deeply concerned about him just being out of ideas i'm so concerned about that i thought uh in dallas he showed it looked nothing like it looked in green bay and some of that was just dac was running the whole show himself he did seem too much like he couldn't believe he won a prize when he got the Steelers job.

1:07:59Ollie Connolly:I know. I could regret this pick. I could regret this pick. Will he be in there at four in the morning grinding the Coastal Carolina tape looking for new fresh ideas to bring with Aaron Rodgers? Or will the two guys just pull up the cut-up reel from 2012 and say, wasn't that a good time? Why don't we try and replicate it?

1:08:13Jourdan Rodrigue:I like what you mentioned about the perception of Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton. Just stay with me here, guys, because I'm going to sound insane for a second. there I've been going through because I've been listening to Amy Poehler's Good Hang podcast a lot. She tells a lot of stories about SNL and times there. And so I went back. I've been going back and like just reading more and listening more about some of the stories from all the the like very, very bygone eras of the of that show. And there was something that I stumbled across one time and I would love to cite it. I just can't remember where I where I saw it.

1:08:48Jourdan Rodrigue:But it was you know, kind of this presence and, you know, fill the door away and like all this stuff had to go into physical comedy or felt like he was getting more attention for physical comedy when maybe there could have been like some really great standup or there could have been, you know, those, those types of things. And I don't want to like overgeneralize what I read. I just, it stuck with me and I'm like, maybe, maybe it's us. Maybe we're the problem. You know, Mike McCarthy has always been known as a two people that who have worked for him as a really great infrastructure guy, like will set an infrastructure for a organization never has gotten credit like he should have for some of the things that he built in Dallas, including their analytics department, the new phase of their analytics department, including building out their situational management program.

1:09:39Jourdan Rodrigue:We laughed about it when he was like on his analytics tour or whatever in his basement, but like really did make make key hires and set up infrastructure for them to modernize that franchise in a way that I don't think he ever got credit for. And that was part of the reason I was so confused as to why he went to Pittsburgh, because they they have made it quite clear they're just fine with their infrastructure, whether it's modern or not. They don't care. They are keeping it the way that it is. And so the hire and the person are incongruous to me. I would have loved to see him like in Tennessee, for example.

1:10:11Jourdan Rodrigue:But at the same time, like I can't hate this pick at all because I always overvalue Mike McCarthy. I think that he's got he's got levels to him that we just have societally, I think, ignored a little bit. I thought you were going to do like a body comparison with him and Chris Farley. No, just being pigeonholed, like a perception of you getting like pigeonholed into a certain narrative because you maybe don't look like all the little capri-wearing coaches on the sideline or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, I just, I know I sound insane, but it does. No, it makes sense. It's totally true.

1:10:44Ollie Connolly:When you write the history of schematic evolution of football, which Jordan will do, I'm sure, write the great book on it eventually, you cannot do that without Mike McCarthy and how he transformed the deep passing game with Aaron Rodgers and which became the Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs offense effectively. And he never gets any credit for that. It bounces from the Shanna Ans onto Gruden back down to McVay. Like that's how people talk about the story of modern offensive football and second phase offense, second reaction offense, and not having a design element to it, rather than it just being a scrambled drill while you figure it out and having some degree of sequencing and timing to it came from the brain of Mike McCarthy and you get zero credit for it.

1:11:22And I think part of it is that when he was the Ben Johnson of his era in New Orleans, and I remember that very well, you know, all the people that were covering that as like Like he was the hot shot offensive mind. Like they're no longer covering the league anymore. You know, it's like, it's just the age has forgotten.

1:11:39Jourdan Rodrigue:Time comes for us all. I do.

1:11:40Ollie Connolly:I do think on the third go round thing, I do believe that coaches peak. We have a tendency with players to talk about them having up and down phases of their career, whereas a coach is just kind of, they stay static as they're good. And then maybe at the very end we say, oh, they might have lost their fastball. I do just feel like he peaked with the absolutely perfect infrastructure and personnel with Green Bay for what his ideas were at that time. And that would just be my concern that he's not quite going to keep up with what I agree. I stuck to my board there at 19th, but now in my gut, seeing some of the other options still on the board, I don't feel amazing about it.

1:12:11Let's let's pick it up a little bit as we hit the home stretch here. Number 20.

1:12:15Jourdan Rodrigue:You got me an ollie on. You knew you were going to get some long speech about some like dinosaur coach. Yeah, I'm this is, again, going to be a bit controversial, I think. but I'm putting Todd Bowles here. And I know that he's been the same guy that he has been. I understand that. But in terms of a consistency that you want in your franchise, I think Todd Bowles has that quality, is one of the most consistent coaches for better and for worse that you could possibly have. And he's proven it. I think that as long as he can continue to churn out above average or decent offensive coordinators and find those guys, his teams have a chance.

1:12:58Jourdan Rodrigue:And he's an example of a great partnership with the front office, which weighed very heavily for me and where I decided to put guys on my board. He is certainly a tier two guy on my big board. But I think he gets knocked for being predictable. And I think a lot of that's very fair. But you hear, and we've talked about him a lot, but you hear these Shanahan tree guys talk about what it is like to go up against his defense for an entire game. It is the most exhausting, annoying, frustrating thing for these guys to go against a Todd Bowles. And they bested him quite a bit. Like, I don't want listeners to be mistaken here.

1:13:36Jourdan Rodrigue:They have bested his defense quite a bit. But they hate going up against it. It wears on them. It takes such a toll on them. And I like a coach that does still give you an advantage, even if he's gotten a little bit predictable. Yeah, I think if you needed a guy for one game to make a defensive game plan, he's a good candidate for that. And look, he has a winning record there. He's done very well hiring offensive staff. Now, I give some credit there to Jason Light. Like, that's a partnership in terms of how they're hiring. But he's part of that. And so it's right where I would have slotted him.

1:14:06I like that. Perfect. Ali, you're up with 21.

1:14:10Ollie Connolly:I'll take Kellen Moore, the Saints. That's a little bit of a surprise. I like this. I was flat out wrong about Kellen Moore as a head coach. which I really thought he was one of the peak ego coaches of this modern generation where it's all about the plays and it doesn't matter if they tie together. It's just look how fancy my designs are. I'm a whiteboard coach. How does it actually operate on Sundays? I thought part of the Eagles offense when he ran it actually looked like that, even though they were really effective. It was just all about him flooding the zone with ideas rather than how it all came together as a whole.

1:14:38Ollie Connolly:I thought it was completely different when he was actually running the entire building. I think going and giving another chance to Brandon Staley was a really smart move. He filled out the staff with a whole bunch of talent and so I just was completely wrong about a person who felt more in the book of just offensive whiz kid when you get into the big boy chair and you've got a book flight and the guy's annoyed because the hotel room is too small that he would just fall apart with all that stuff and I just think he's proven to be so much more than that surprise pick not great in front of a podium but the more I watched um went back and what I mentioned a couple times this week watching Shuck I was like man did uh Kellen Moore do a good job setting up Shuck for success and I think really came into his own late last year so that's it's a surprising pick but i i like it i thought i had kellen more maybe higher than consensus but you had him even higher than me um i'm up with

1:15:26Jourdan Rodrigue:dan whenever he says it sounds like an insult just mildly yeah it's okay mild i mean kellen more um you did it you got into the top well we'll pull the rankings back up next year

1:15:39Ollie Connolly:as you had mike mcdonald 19th the year ago i could have like you know you would have been I think that, yeah, I have some questions about your rankings. Well, you know, that's, it's, that's why it's a group effort. It was me and JP going, been back and forth. I would immediately throw someone else under the bus.

1:15:52Jourdan Rodrigue:What a host. Um, you gotta, we're all responsible. And, um, I'm going to take Dan Quinn next. The lows defensively have been too low. The advantages are, you know, what he can bring to the entire building. The highs have been quite high. Um, I think he knows the league really well. Does he have a defensive philosophy that he's going to stick to forever? Like, not necessarily now. He's trying to adapt. I think that Durante Jones hire was a good one. And if it's my team for one year, I do feel like Dan Quinn can provide a level of overall competence that I feel better about than anyone else that's still on the board here.

1:16:33Jourdan Rodrigue:I like it. I like it. He was a Tier 3 guy for me. Was he? Let me check. Yes, he was. And I do think that, you know, players want to play for him. Coaches want to work for him. Those are always really, really good qualities to have in your coach. I like that he's a little easing off of his control a little bit over the defensive side. Now, I don't know how long that will stick. Whenever head coaches feel the pressure, they tend to try to take more control. And I definitely believe that this is a year where he would be feeling some of that job pressure. But I've always liked the Dan Quinn defenses and the teams.

1:17:14Jourdan Rodrigue:They are reminiscent of a bygone era, you know, and I and I really appreciate that, you know, a little history happening right in front of us. And yeah, he was 14th on this list, by the way, a year ago. So a little bit of a fall here. We are at what? That was 22. So you're up at 23, Jordan. this is difficult for me because i do have somebody still in tier two that has not been picked yet we gotta take them so i have to take bpa right but i also am wondering if panthers fans will just think that i'm hedging because and playing to them because they are really mad at us greg because we didn't put them as the one of the most improved offseason teams which they are They are.

1:17:55Jourdan Rodrigue:They are. They are. They had great free agency signings. Draft was solid. I'm going to take Dave Canales here. And actually, Ollie is to thank for some of that. Because, Ollie, I listened to you talk about Dave Canales and what they've done specifically with their empty sets in trying to help Bryce Young and trying to maximize Bryce Young. I think that is not necessarily a way that a coach wants to operate, especially in a world where play action and heavy personnel is maybe a market efficiency right now. And you might want to set up layups like that versus make everything a bit harder. You do get your defense to declare their pressure very well when you're an empty.

1:18:40Jourdan Rodrigue:So that's a part of it. And Bryce Young clearly loves to see the field that way. So I think that sort of variability and ability to evolve and change is really important. He's a culture fit. he has had this sort of radical positivity in that building. That's what he's all about, being in that building. And I think, you know, if you're going to try to take a team and pull it into the future, into the modern version of what NFL teams should look like, then you do need a person who's like sort of relentlessly positive in that way. And I like how he works with the front office. He and Dan Morgan and Brent Tillis are a great triumvirate together.

1:19:18Jourdan Rodrigue:They all like working with each other. they've gotten this team and really started to turn it around over the last couple of years. I don't quite know long-term if I buy it with the head coach, but I do like what they've tried to do at least to make life better for the quarterback, and they are zagging in a way that the rest of the league is not really doing. Yeah, they took over a two-win team, then they won five, then they won eight, so that's good. When he talks, you believe him. He was on this show. A lot of positives there for Canales, but also it's around where I had him on my list.

1:19:52Ollie Connolly:I also admire him. Jordan mentioned he's living through this like real life tension of what he thinks football should look like. Then when he's actually asked to coach and put on the field because of the talent of his quarterback. And so he just handed it off to Brad Idzik and said, that's your problem now. I'm out of that world. That's giving me sleepless nights. I can, I can respect that. We are at number 24, Ali. And this is where my board has just been wiped out. So now, now we're throwing darts. We're in the rough patch, people. I'll take Kevin Stefanski who I really really do believe deep down in my footballing soul should have taken a year out and got on tour all the college campuses should have toured every facility he could have got to spend a month in Taiwan whatever he needs to do to kind of refresh the batteries refresh the juices but he is fundamentally a really scheme sound coach I would say rather than being anything too special I think he at least brings a floor to you offensively that it's not going to be a complete disaster by design and if all the right pieces are there then he can lift you maybe into being in that middle band tier of offense and if joe flacco just goes and fuego for you know a season out of nowhere then you can raise the thing even higher than that and i did like that when he got to the falcons he kept jeff ulbrick on board i thought that was really smart it would be really easy of him to default to what he's always done before when he's been a head coach is a very almost a complete inverse defensive style to what ulbrick did at least last season we'll see how much that was Raheem Morris, how much was Jeff Ulbrich?

1:21:14Ollie Connolly:Ulbrich actually ran the style of defense before he got to Atlanta that was more akin to what Stefanski has done through most of his career on the defensive side. So I'm interested to see what that kind of tension looks like and if they're going to maintain what it was last year. But I like that he kept Ulbrich in the building. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, he's definitely the lowest guy on the list that won two coaches of the year. I know he's Jordan's favorite coach. Solid, but I don't know. I'm going to go next at number 25. You know, the first thing I ask of these coaches is like, do they bring something tangible to the table?

1:21:48And Robert Sala does. In his one head coaching spot, you know, his last two complete years there, they had a top five defense in terms of efficiency with the Jets. There were a lot of issues with how he ran everything else, according, you know, associated with that job. It's also a completely brutal job that you are fighting uphill. He might have inherited another one of those. I don't think it's going to be as tough as the Jets, but the Titans is a tough one. But I do believe in his ability, like a lesser D 'Amico Ryan's to coach up and reach his players and his defense. And he brings something to the table and that's that defense.

1:22:26And so I get why you get him in a room in Tennessee, why you would want to hire him and why I do have some optimism that things can get better there, Jordan.

1:22:33Jourdan Rodrigue:He is a clear communicator. His scheme has identity. And like I mentioned, clarity. um he knows how to develop talent especially identify traits that he knows he can develop uh he's done this for years he's not afraid of uh of a fight essentially he will try to to take it to the coaches um that he's coaching against even in practice um and i think that bodes well for sort of the i'm very curious to see how this will go between brian dable and him two massive personalities, obviously. And I'm, I don't, I'm not quite convinced it will work, but if it does, I think it will be very cool what those two can, can sort of do by competing with each other every day.

1:23:19Jourdan Rodrigue:Um, he isn't as afraid as I think some people have tagged him to be as to mix up his scheme. You know, he was never really in my mind, at least he was of that Seattle system. Um, he changed to playing more modern, like a lot more quarters in a secondary, for example, when he came over to the Jets, being a little bit more modern with what he was trying to do with those defenses. And I'm very, very interested to see what he does without the weight of the Jets on his shoulders. But some of that was self-inflicted as well. So my question for him is, can he avoid the unforced errors? Can he avoid the self-inflicted burden that he could place on himself as a head coach?

1:23:59Yeah, the fact that that he's 25 on this list, I have I don't know. I feel like there were more bad coaches back in the day like the bottom of this that's pretty good for being 25th on this

1:24:11Jourdan Rodrigue:uh hallowed list who do you have at 26 jordan uh this is difficult it is getting i did have a little bit of a teardrop here yeah yeah myself as well um let's see maybe maybe i'll go with another curveball here. I'm going to go Todd Munkin. And I think again, some of this is the right guy is in the right market. Um, respectfully to Todd Munkin in my notes, I wrote tough old boot because he is somebody who is going to be very direct. Uh, the Browns, you know, it was interesting. You heard some of this through the whispers around the coaching search and some of the intel around that head coaching search where they were looking for somebody to come in who was really going to be that type of presence.

1:25:06Jourdan Rodrigue:Somebody who was very, had a big, a lot of personality, sort of a correction from their previous head coach, and also who could give them a scheme advantage on offense. And I think some of that specifically is what might have led to Jim Schwartz situation, which is not great. I think he would have done really well to retain him, but Todd Munkin, he knows who he is. He knows what he's about. He is going to communicate the way he communicates. If it works, it could really, really work. It could be, um, especially in that, in that market where they've, they're dying for like a tough brand of football on offense.

1:25:43Jourdan Rodrigue:Um, and, and I, I think you have to be in the right market to bring him in, but I would, I would bet on Todd Munkin. And I think if it works, it will really work. And he's succeeded in a variety of different type of situations where you can say he's bringing something to the table. Like, for instance, if the Ravens had just decided to hire Todd Munkin, which they wouldn't have done, like, I'd be plenty confident about, like, the Ravens. I wouldn't feel that much differently about them. Maybe a little less, certainly long-term. But he is someone, the more I've sat with it, I agree with Jordan. I like his scheme, too.

1:26:15I like the Todd Munkin hire for like what he's done offensively over the years.

1:26:19Ollie Connolly:I would have loved the Todd Munkin hire for a team who thought that they were had a really solid foundation or they should be a playoff team. And then it's going to be like a little push to try and maximize the talent already on the roster. In a rebuilding situation, the ruthless honesty is wonderful pre-draft and post-draft. And when you're one in seven and your star player requests a trade and you're up there at the podium belittling everyone about how dumb they are and it's bad football. I do think it has a tendency to just kind of become the Titanic by the second half of the season so I think that's in play for Monkey but I love the coach um I wish he had was given a better opportunity to show what a good head coach I think he can be it's always interesting to me

1:26:55Jourdan Rodrigue:small sidebar when teams go through a hiring process and they almost psychologically over correct to a previous uh maybe deficiency that they saw over time in in a previous coach like I cannot think of more personality poll differences between a Todd Munkin who has plenty of it and Kevin Stefanski. So I think they wanted somebody who was less passive. And Todd Munkin is certainly not going to be passive, whether it's passive in his own scheme or within the building. It might go up in flames, but they almost psychologically corrected to this type of personality, which I always find very, very interesting.

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1:30:27Ollie Connolly:uh i'll take joe brady okay um good offensive architect we'll see what it's like running the building i got real reservations about that i i think he has matured slightly once the bullets start flying and you know you're leading first take because there was a sickening fourth quarter thing and you're making guys turn the t off tv off in the building i i worry about some of the slight immaturity when it really gets on top of him there is I think such immense levels of pressure on Joe Brady this season given that you're supplanting Sean McDermott who got blamed for everything going out the door got blamed for multiple seasons with all the articles and all of everything about McDermott McDermott's a bum McDermott's a bum they replace him now with the with Wunderkind offensive mind and he said all the right things and I believe him when he says he wants it to be he wants to be as dedicated to the defensive side the ball as he does want to be to the offensive side of the ball.

1:31:21Ollie Connolly:I look at what the Bills have done this offseason, and it gives me a real pause that he actually has any real say in how it's supposed to look when they open up in week one of the season, and it's not just coming from the GM. And it's just a lot of pressure for a guy who I slightly worry about dealing with that level of pressure in his first go-round as a head coach. But he is a wonderful offensive architect, and at this stage of the draft, I'll take that skill. And he has an advantage that will help him possibly rise in this ranking that nobody else has. He gets the coach, Josh Allen. I mean, if you gave any of these coaches Josh Allen, they're going to look better in the light.

1:31:53That's true of my next pick at 28. So we're right at the end of this board here. We're at 28. Here's who's left. Aaron Glenn, Jeff Halfley. You just took Joe Brady. So the AFC East, three of the bottom six or seven coaches here in the league. Mike LaFleur is left. And I am going to take Zach Taylor. I didn't write any notes because I just assumed you guys would take them.

1:32:21Jourdan Rodrigue:I think subconsciously I tried to set up my picks and my board to where you would be forced to take your favorite coach in the NFL. I feel like I've been overly hard on him, called him a coaching polo, whereas I'm wearing a polo right now, although it does have a nice zipper. I like this one. It's a little different, a little flashy. Look, how much control, how much has he really influenced? I use the stat a lot that they're close to a 500 team with Joe Burrow in the lineup over a three year period following, you know, their their Super Bowl run and the championship game run since. And that's it's deeply it's deeply disappointing.

1:33:02But I've I've seen worse coaches. I don't know. Like the question I kind of was like, all right, is this a situation where because of ownership, how the front office, you know, scouts and how they build out the coaching staff, what Joe Burrow wants to do? Is this such a unique and difficult coaching job here that like Zach Taylor's actually managed it fairly well for the limitations? I obviously want to see a different coach with Joe Burrow. So that's my own self-interest. I think part of the reason why he fell this far, Ali.

1:33:36Ollie Connolly:This idea, though, that we're never going to evolve the offense because that's not what Joe Burrow wants to do. He never wants to turn his back to the defense. Well, that's coaching. I think Dan Campbell would be able to reach Joe Burrow and explain to him why maybe we've got to change some of the architecture of this thing to maximize you so you can go win an MVP so we can go have a parade. It'd be nice to have a parade, Joe. Like, that's how you reach people, and that's part of coaching. And he just doesn't have the cojones to get it done. They were so close to a parade. It's crazy, too. They were so close to that parade.

1:34:03Jourdan Rodrigue:I would say it's such a great point. You know, our number one overall pick and Zach Taylor's former boss and mentor convinced Matthew Stafford, who would prefer not to turn his back to the quarterback ever or back to the defense ever. and to slice and dice in true gunslinger badass mode has got him running long boots that you just, your entire body tenses up the entire, it's like seven seconds it's happening because you're like, don't get hit, don't get hit, don't get hit. Got him skinnier, got him available to do the play action, got the cadence. Like it is coaching. And if you can do that with like a future Hall of Famer and somebody who's your age as he comes into your building, you can do that with Joe Burrow.

1:34:52Yep. And there's always a push and pull. Look, there was for Tom Brady when he went to Tampa where he's mostly doing the pulling. There was with Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy at times and certainly with LeFleur, but you're right, that is coaching and probably indicates why a guy who's obviously won a lot of games at the NFL level, Zach Taylor, falls this far. But surprise, surprise, I take him off the board. We're at pick 29, Jordan. You're up.

1:35:14Jourdan Rodrigue:um i well um i'm i'm gonna go clint kubiak here um not just because he talked to us right off the field at the super bowl um but also because there was little hints and flashes of his offense which has very limited sample size very limited data on what he actually will be and how he actually will will run a building understand all of that um so we just don't know what we don't know quite yet But I really, really liked some of the things that I saw where conceptually, if I were going to sort of explain what he's doing, it would be he's basically taking the Kubiak system and making it applicable to not just the bygone era of the Kubiak system, but also 2026 football and where it is going.

1:36:07Jourdan Rodrigue:And I think because he's obviously of that system and quite literally of the person who helped create that system, I think he has a knack for understanding the best qualities to pull and that are malleable enough to apply to different rules that defenses are playing with now. And so I think there's some there's some optimism there. One of my favorite plays that I saw all season was a Clint Kubiak design that reminded me simultaneously of Kyle Shanahan and Gary Kubiak, where he put, you know, he ran a screen with like two tight ends and a fullback. and it came off of a motion play. And it just was like so interesting to me, the way that the layers dispersed out of that screen and the personnel that he used.

1:36:50Jourdan Rodrigue:I was like, that dude's got something. There's something going on in that brain where he just, he gets it. I think he connects with the quarterback well. We saw that with him and Sam Darnold. He's this low to me because we have such limited data on him. We had a bad season in New Orleans, not all his fault, obviously. And then obviously the highest of highs in Seattle last season, although their offense did take a dip. I like the potential here. So I am drafting him at, what is this, 28? Pick number 28. It's a good value. You're betting on the system. More than almost any coach I can think of of a hire, just betting on the system.

1:37:25Like Zach Taylor was once that guy a little bit, but Kubiak feels like he's shown his work a little more over the years, and it's a good system to bet on. There's a reason why it works. Let's go to the next one, 29, Ollie.

1:37:40Ollie Connolly:I'll take Jeff Halfley, who we have seen as a head coach at Boston College. It was pretty brutal. He was not very good at it. So that gives me deep concerns. I thought he ran an awful building at Boston College. I thought he couldn't wait to get out, which he did and came back to Green Bay. I think he's slightly overstated as a defensive mastermind. It's pretty boilerplate stuff. But I do like his vibe. I do think he might be one of these guys who is better suited as the head coach of the building with really smart people underneath him with professional players rather than college players as opposed to being the guy putting the game plan together every week.

1:38:15I could see that. I could see him in front of the room. He does some fun stuff. His two defenses for Green Bay were 7th and 19th. Jordan's cracking up because, what, the knives finally came out? I mean, that was pretty nice about Jeff Halfley.

1:38:28Jourdan Rodrigue:You know, he has everything that is wrong with coaching, but I like his vibe. I love when we get like Ollie in full form here. It's just, it's pretty great. Yeah. I mean, look, he was, there's a lot of openings this off season and maybe not the best crop of coaches to choose from. And he was towards the back end. So it's not a total shock. Yeah. And yet he's done some fun stuff. He's done. Yeah. I will say too, you hear out of that building, out of Green Bay, you do hear there was a real connectivity that people had sort of been craving from a high-ranking coach, connectivity with players, ability to explain things, ability to teach things.

1:39:13Jourdan Rodrigue:So I like those traits in a coach. I think those are promising traits. What it will look like, I'm higher on the Dolphins over the next two years than I think the entire majority of the collective football opinion. I just have this feeling about them that they are executing exactly what these blueprints have showed are possible over the last couple of years. But in order to do that, you really, really need a head coach who is going to give you a clear advantage, who is going to lift the floor of the entire team, not just one side of the ball. And we have yet to see if he is going to be that guy.

1:39:48Okay, so that was actually number 30. I misnumbered, which means 31. And I'm on the clock here. I'm going to take Mike LaFleur, which also means that Aaron Glenn is 32. That is your pick, Jordan. So we can talk about these two guys together. Why not? Why separate them? I just don't know with Mike LaFleur. And again, I'm probably penalizing him for being like the last pick. We're both Top Chef fans, Jordan. I don't know if you are, Ollie. You know, they do the thing where they divide into teams. And Mike LaFleur was just like the 10th pick. And you're just like, oh, well, maybe he can do a little dessert.

1:40:28Like, we'll see. We haven't really seen it.

1:40:31Jourdan Rodrigue:Nobody on Top Chef should do dessert, can do dessert. Right. Like, we haven't seen it. He's been in the right buildings. It didn't go great with the Jets. He doesn't present, like, dynamically yet that he's going to have a huge vision for the entire building. Like, that could come in time. He's just a little bit of a question mark. And so that gives him an advantage, I think, over Aaron Glenn, where we've seen the question be answered in a negative way last year. And so to me, it's not surprising that Glenn ends up 32 on this list.

1:41:03Ollie Connolly:I mean, he fired his entire staff after one season. He got rid of both coordinators. He fired 12 assistant coaches. He offered Wink Martindale a job, then pulled the offer because he wanted to call plays himself. He hired Frank Reich, who I think, as all evidence suggests, this is going to be a fossilized version of the Frank Reich offense. There is going to be no ingenuity or creativity or anything that maps onto 2026 football. His defensive style was outdated when he took the Jets job. It was revealed as super outdated when he actually was running the Jets. And anything that could have saved it would have been, I will take on the CEO role.

1:41:35Ollie Connolly:I'm going to go and hire better staff than I hired in year one. And instead, he tried to lean on guys who were at the vanguard of ideas 12 years ago. and I missed out on one of them because of the culture class between the two. So yeah, I would have Aaron Glenn as the 32nd guy. Right, like does he evaluate players well? He does not really provide a schematic advantage. He did not handle the pressure of the moment. It's a tough, look, Jets coaches end up looking like some of the worst coaches in the last 20 years, including like Todd Bowles, where we see him in a different spot of like, okay, that's a solid to good coach when he's not with the Jets.

1:42:09But Aaron Glenn was not ready for it. And frankly, the Cardinals job has been that way too. And so we're not biased always, Jordan, because Michael Fleur, also an NFL Daily guest last year at training camp for those who remember. And we didn't artificially push him up the board or anything.

1:42:22Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, a couple thoughts just before we end on both of those guys. For Michael Fleur, the thing I think he has going for him is he is probably the most even keel of the modern tree guys, I guess I would say. And so I think he really understands like what the psychology of being the head coach is going to be, whether or not he can apply to it. We will see. And I think he's a good teacher. I think he's had a hand on so many different position groups over the years. He was specifically brought in by Sean McVay to install a lot of this run game stuff that Sean McVay had coveted for quite some time.

1:43:02Jourdan Rodrigue:Couldn't quite get it done himself. And so really wanted to bring in Michael Floor, who coincidentally was the fall guy in New York for for one of those Robert Sala coaching years. And so bringing us to the New York Jets with Aaron Glenn, my my thing, I love a success story. I love a comeback like I would love to see Aaron Glenn be the Aaron Glenn that we loved hearing at the podium in Detroit, that we could see reached his players, that we could see got the best out of a lot of his players, even if the scheme wasn't necessarily as forward-thinking as some of the others that have emerged in recent years.

1:43:42Jourdan Rodrigue:I would love to see it. I think he's got that in him, and I am not sure that he's set up for success in a team that continues to cycle through its coaches to their credit. They aren't doing that. They're not doing the one-and-done thing. It does seem like there's been a clear effort to bring in people that he does align with, bring in players that he thinks he can maximize that he does align with. So we'll see. I would love to see the course get corrected. I would love to see him get back on track toward the potential that obviously ownership saw in him and that Dan Campbell saw in him. I'd like to see it.

1:44:22Jourdan Rodrigue:We just haven't yet. And that's why he is last year? I think it's possible because he hits a lot of my, you know, truisms in the NFL. Like one of the easiest things in the NFL is to improve from like three to six or seven wins. Like it's not that hard. Luck is an incredibly big factor in every single season. Line play is when you're looking for solid team, like surprise teams every year, look to the line play first. They've got, It's actually a pretty good roster in general. So it is very easy for me to see them go from. And another last one is like, I don't, I think with coaching, they're all a little more tightly bunched than, than we make them out to be in general.

1:45:04So it's a lot of other factors that can help contribute. And so I'm with you, Jordan. I think I'm already driving the jets over five and a half bandwagon. And if that happens, Aaron Glenn's going to be on this list again next year, maybe a little bit higher.

1:45:17Ollie Connolly:yeah i i would do want to say something positive about aaron glenn because i was i was pretty tough i would say he still is one of the best individual coaches of man coverage technique in the modern history of the league unfortunately he's in an era where it's 80 man coverage across the board and by trying to force it the other way was uh found out last season so i just think it's time and place i love aaron glenn the guy who doesn't love aaron glenn the guy i think if he gone to a better more stable organization with a better roster i could see him having a top balls like run with the books i really could and maybe in a second go around where he's like the assistant head coach somewhere and that guy gets canned and he gets to do it for six weeks and prove himself in the job i could see that happening for him over time i just think it's such a poor environmental fit for him and just a poor honestly like macro schematic fate's the worst possible time to have that defensive philosophy be your overriding philosophy and he chose to stick with it as opposed to trying to pivot midstream well the problem is his time and place might have been like getting that job in 2019 or 2021 you know what i like in and it took him a while to get that opportunity and and maybe the games change but maybe it'll change back that's how the game

1:46:23Jourdan Rodrigue:for me always because of the way he handled the erin rogers situation like the exit he always gets a higher bump for me that was the most epic stuff i i loved it i was like do this be this guy the whole your entire just like lean into this be who you are be you know confident in being that person And Ali, do not let my golden retriever-like positivity at all pressure you to bring in positive commentary on somebody who is ranked last on our board here. Like, it's fine, man. We like you for you.

1:47:00Ollie Connolly:I just like Aaron Glenn. I'm calling it as I see it. I think he's in over his head as a head coach, unfortunately. I thought he was going to be great, so I'm kind of reputating myself sliding the big whiff. Jordan's hit on something, though. Like, we bring Ali for the X's and O's and the enthusiasm, but occasionally for just the Manchester rain clouds to come in and pour over the league. This was a ton of fun. Maybe we will do it next time. Maybe we'll rank best press conference head coaches. And then Aaron Glenn's top five, maybe, on that list. But this was really fun to do. Our first edition of NFL Daily 32.

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