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28:06Have you done that part? The offering of the deal. You offer the deal, and then the other person decides whether or not they want to accept the deal or not. And there's always this, oh, there's this difficulty in negotiation. Well, offer the deal, and then they can say yes or no, right? And when they say yes or no, if they say no, what they can do after you offer the deal, they can send a counter offer. We're doing this. I'm just saying we are going to revolutionize this thing. And then people are going to give us 3 % of their lifetime earnings. Oh my gosh. Only have for three years. I do love a anti agent rant from Patrick Claiborne.

28:45No one is more anti agent, not just for the players. We can find some people, but for the broadcasting community as well. I do love it. They're never going to be blowing my phone up. It sounds like they're using Debo more like in a kind of just like receiver role instead of all the crazy stuff that he used to because they kind of need that. Like after him right now, Jalen Lane, third round pick is their starter in the slot. And that reminded me like, didn't they just draft a guy in the slot last year high? And I was like, oh, yeah. They drafted Luke McCaffrey, who had family connections too with the 49ers and all this.

29:27Adam Peters, who comes from there. And I think he's having a hard time making an impact. And at this point, has not had a lot of returns on the investment that they gave him. KJ Osborne is there, by the way. And I have an update, by the way, if we have a guy that we're rooting for and want to watch in the preseason, it's definitely Ja 'Cory Krosky Merritt. I mentioned that last week. The commander's running back. He goes by the name Bill. Bill Merritt? I mean, his name is Ja 'Cory Krosky Merritt, and he runs like a young Maurice Jones Drew or something, but he goes by Bill. Bill Merritt is a Buick dealer.

30:05I think it's just... I don't know if it's just Bill, but just Bill. He says he's had that name since he was a kid. His parents didn't give it to him. It was like an inside joke that has just got... And he says he loves it. The fans are all calling him Bill. So, shout out to Bill. That's how it goes. It seems, by the way, like the stadium at RFK, which I know had gotten tangled up in the name and some political maneuvering. Like, a vote happened late last week. It's happening. There's like another vote on September 17th, but John Kime, who's covered their team forever, over 30 years, now he's with ESPN, He said the last vote is just like procedural.

30:43He said it'd be like the opponents throwing a Hail Mary from the opposing five with one play left. So he says this stadium, RFK site, it is happening, which is cool. Over a decade in the making. Right. Even longer. And usually you get a Super Bowl. So maybe we'll be doing a Super Bowl there at some point. Let's take a quick break. We have some very exciting news on the other side. in addition to takeaways for eight more NFC teams.

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35:19Back on NFL Daily. I want to remind everyone 40s and Free Agents is coming back. My podcast with Daniel Jeremiah will be dropping in all your feeds on Tuesday. That first one back will be in the NFL Daily Feed, but we're asking a favor. Go ahead and subscribe. Hell, give a review, but definitely subscribe to 40s and Free Agents as a separate podcast. We're going to have a separate feed for it so you don't have to keep getting it pushed multiple times maybe into your time. It is a premium service. It is being offered to you free of charge. Gratis. It's complimentary. And it's really good. This first episode, we're going to talk about the NFC West, the best rookies and the pickups.

36:06And it was a fun show with Daniel and I. So stay tuned for that. And then stay tuned for the very end of the show. I've got an update on the Claiborne fan club. Oh my gosh. There were so many opinions. So many votes are out there. I got Robert Mays, the host of the great athletic football show, is in my mentions looking for clues, believing that the Claibon Ivers may be one because I used Bon Ivers as my song on Instagram. I can now... He's accusing you of electoral malfeasance? No, no, no. I think he was saying it was almost like a tease that the Claibon Ivers won the Claibon fan club competition.

36:47and I use that music. I can actually announce here even before the end of the show will not be the Clay Bon Iver. Oh. It was not close to the top. It was a lot of voting with the alt accounts, but we, I, we, I. Let's do the NFC West. Let's talk a little bit about the Rams. I am officially worried about Matthew Stafford. Part of the reason I'm worried about Matthew Stafford is nobody else seems to be worried about Matthew Stafford. He's 37 years old. He's got an injury that Sean McVay described in a way that made me feel uncomfortable. It's static throwing. It's some of the unloaded running on the treadmill.

37:28Sometimes it might even be walking. He's able to do a little bit of lighter cardio and able to do some good core work. But it's more just functional strength surrounding the area while making sure that you don't do anything to set yourself back based on the trajectory that he's doing. but we are looking forward to getting him and easing him back into football, you know, hopefully, you know, in the near future. The look on your face while he's saying that, knowing what he's going to say, it pains to hear about Stafford's recovery routine. Maybe it's, maybe I'm overreacting. You tell me. The question was, what is Stafford doing this week?

38:02And when he gets into like, well, he's walking, doing a little bit of walking, and pretty soon we'll be able to get into a little cardio. like he can't even get out there and play a little doubles tennis I know Stafford used to be a big time it just seems like he's a little ways away here from getting anywhere close well I like that the general reaction I understand your concern I like that the general reaction has been muted because the last thing I want is Sean McVay to retreat to the well Matthew has a back and he's working to get back he's giving us details specifically on the types of things he's doing and I think within those details notes the abundance of concern that both Matthew and the Rams are taking with regards to his recovery and perhaps the ability to do this little amount of physical work was a part of the deal that got Matthew Stafford back to the Rams in the first well that's what I thought but when I hear this I realize it's more they he wants to be getting ready for this season and and his body is not allowing him to at this point and yes I'm sure they are being as careful as can be, maybe extra careful because of the time of year.

39:17And yet he's a 37-year-old with back issues that's struggling to get on the field right now. And I just think as optimistic as they project to be about Jimmy Garoppolo, and I really believe that they believe it. I think they love Jimmy Garoppolo. I'm not. I think it all kind of falls apart without Matthew Stafford. And so I'm worried for the Rams fans in my family, but what, but we'll see. I asked, um, a gentleman who was on the show just last week, JB long, who's been there at Rams practice every day for some takeaways. Uh, cause cause I haven't been there. Cause you have, cause you have that.

39:53He's our correspondent. He's our correspondent. Greg's got a pull. A couple of items. He thinks, you know, Puka this year, just keep an eye on his red zone production. Always been elite. Puka, not as much in the red zone, not as much scoring touchdowns, believes there's been a real focus on that and that he's been outstanding and racking up some numbers, I believe. And you just think about Devontae Adams, who's one of the best red zone receivers of his generation and the two of those guys together. So that's just something to keep an eye on of Puka. Look, he can also run the ball a little bit if you wanted to near the goal line.

40:30So that's something to watch. It's interesting, Nate Landman, who was a free agent pickup, a lot of the fans that have been out there and the media covering noted, you know, he's really looked good. He's made a lot of plays. McVay's been asked about him. So this isn't just from JB, but JB noted he quickly got the green dot. Like immediately they decided he's going to be the play caller. So he's going to be an important guy for them. And Omar Speights was a guy who last year came in. The PFF wise, like was graded pretty highly. I think the Rams probably internally maybe are a little more optimistic about that linebacker group than people on the outside would be.

41:03Because that's been a problem area for them for years. Yeah. And again, to harp on it one more time, you know, a significant answer to that linebacker position that's playing at Seattle and had a great season. But they chose Omar Spades over it. They did. And I think they would at least say for us, we're happy with where we are, but we'll see what happens. Hopefully, and again, for Devontae's sake, it's Matthew Stafford. It's going to make everything better. If it's Jimmy G again, like you said, But as great as they can feel about Jimmy G, there's a significant fall off from Matthew Stafford to James Richard Galapolo.

41:41Right. The backup quarterbacks around the league are not amazing. So if you're comparing Jimmy G to the average backup and then you adjust for the fact that it's in a Sean McVay offense with Devante and Puka, yeah, I guess I can see what you're saying. But it's still a dramatic drop off. Significant. Right. Like maybe, yeah, he's better than the average backup. I could buy that. But I have to see it. Also, some optimism, I think, about the safety group. You know, the cornerbacks, definitely a question mark, but Quinton Lake, Cam Curl, Cam Kitchens, and then Jalen McCullough, who had four picks last year too.

42:14Like that's a nice little safety group. So I think some optimism there. Let's go to Seattle, where there is optimism on Charles Cross, had surgery on his finger, and immediately returned to the field. It was supposedly like, oh, he'll be ready for week one. Offensive linemen, NFL players, professional athletes, they're built different. he's just already practicing again forget week one getting work on a digit is tough especially I don't know what the grade of dislocation it was but anytime there's surgery required surgery I'm sure it wasn't insignificant it's got to be broken it's the same thing like I love rap sheet but stop presenting the news as like hey great news Tyler Guyton's getting surgery and is only going to be out six to eight weeks with a fracture in his knee.

43:06I mean, that's not great news. Imagine how much that would devastate your entire life. You know, that would be the horrible news. And the same thing with Maxwell Hairston, the cornerback for the great news. He's only out like three weeks with a painful high ankle sprain. It's only great in a relative sense to how bad the news could be. Like the, obviously everything comes from the agents, but like when we found out Najee's eye injury was just superficial. If something happens to my eye, it's not just anything. Meanwhile, there's no timetable. I know we're doing NFC, but Jim Harbaugh did say this on Monday when we're taping.

43:42There is zero timetable for an Ajah Harris to return. So whatever it is, I'm a little concerned about. Back to the Seahawks. Sorry, Seahawks. Two items that have struck me listening and watching the coverage there. Number one, it's a whole lot of sneak dissing on the last year's offensive coaching staff? Just from the offensive line, from the running game, everyone... I don't know how sneaky it is. Yeah, just... They really believe that coaching is going to be the difference. Because talent-wise, like, you lost DK, you lost Geno. Like, I know you added Cooper Cup and Darnold, but I think you're hoping for that to be a wash, basically.

44:20Especially the DK to Cup thing is obviously not a wash. But I think they're really counting on coaching. The details, the focus. So we'll see if that really improves everything. I think it can help a lot on the offensive line specifically. And then last thing on the Seahawks, just a lot of Torrey Horton pop. Day three draft pick. DJ and I are going to talk about him on our next show. Our first time back with 40s and free agents. But he was called Jerry Rice Jr. by a teammate on the Seahawks. I think that was a little bit of an exaggeration, but basically he's been lighting it up at camp. I think he's their third receiver.

44:58I was wondering who's going to be their third receiver. This is what camp's all about. We're finding out. He really looks like he will be their third receiver. Maybe not Marquez Valdez-Scantling. I think that's good news. Yeah, and it allows MVS to be in his MVS role. And we can see Sam Darnold flash that arm. You know, just hit him. Maybe not volume targets for MVS. The rookie can get the work. And of course, JSN and Cooper Cup will be JSN and Cooper Cup. It was Reek Wollin, by the way. I wanted to make sure I got who called him Jerry Race Jr. One of those things where he was like, I think, the next guy on the podium where he's walking by and he's like, oh, there's Jerry Rice Jr.

45:31I don't know if that's like catching on or anything. You know who could catch on in Arizona? Who's that? Marvin Harrison Jr. I mean, that is an actual junior of a Hall of Famer who has missed some practice. But when he's been out there, by all accounts, it has been better. And him and Trey McBride have kind of been hogging all the targets. As you would expect, there is a pretty steep fall off after those two. I'm a little concerned about the fall off, but those two, I'm excited. Yeah, you would hope that Michael Wilson would fall into that role. I know that they've kind of rotated guys in that number three spot in terms of who gets the targets there.

46:10But yeah, that's what you expect. And considering the way the middle to late part of last year went, that's got to be a positive sign that they're force feeding Marv at this point. Yeah, and I want Trey McBride fans out there to go check out Jordan Rodrigues' great feature on McBride. It really got me thinking about what a difference it is to have a top five, top three to five tight end. It completely changes your offense. I think that article does a good job pointing that out. And it made me think, those guys are maybe the most underpaid players in the NFL, is an elite tight end. because I get why the number six tight end compared to the number six wide receiver, it's not in the same ballpark.

46:57But a George Kittle or a McBride, what they make compared to the elite wide receivers, it's like a massive golf. They're making average number two receiver type money. And they're just so much more valuable than that. They're as valuable, I think, as a number one receiver. Just a random thought. Yeah. I'm trying to look up the contracts for tight ends, but the problem is they have it ranked by average salary, which is fraudulent. Everybody needs to stop doing that because Taysom Hill will be the number nine paid tight end. McBride got 43 guaranteed. The extension was under 20 a year, even on the extended part of the deal.

47:37That's number two receiver. That's significantly less than Devonta Smith or Jalen Waddell, and those guys are great players, but man, a George Kittle and a McBride change your entire office. Especially in terms of what you're asking them to do in so many different ways and venues that there's only so many people on the planet that can do it, where in other positions, it's really more specialized. I'm honking too much on random stuff. This is what happens. We put the microphone on and I just get totally off target. That one guy's like, Greg, my drive is exactly 57 minutes long and you're still talking.

48:11It's another good rant that Patrick has. Don't worry about it being shorter. They're not. Trey Benson, a lot of Trey Benson pop, although mixed signals, but they say he's a different player this year. Garrett Williams, who is their good nickelback. They're using him more on the outside to keep him on the field, kind of Cooper de Jeans style. They want to make sure he's never off the field for them. Garrett Williams, so that's kind of new for him. The Cardinals website had a good feature on Paris Johnson, just someone we never mentioned on the show, but if you were looking for a surprise all pro, and that would mean one of the very best tackles in the league, I think Paris Johnson is on that list, maybe trying to get to that elite status.

48:47And then Will Johnson with a pick of Kyler Murray and their scrimmage the other day was supposedly an eye-popping pick. So Will Johnson looks like he's going to start for them. Yes. And after the slide, huge Will Johnson guy. Yes. The slide completely radicalized me for Will Johnson. Love it. I was big on him going into the draft. We got the 49ers up next. Now, Juwan Jennings has aggravated a calf injury. I thought this really is an injury, but when they asked Kyle Shanahan about it, he said, you'd have to ask Juwan about that, but he tells me it's his calf. You got to be delicate with those calves.

49:22So just the tone of voice was a little odd. So that actually would be good news for 49ers fans. Cause it would mean that he doesn't have this recurring calf injury, but this is where we're at with these. Kyle being weird has made the injury situation completely indecipherable. The word, the words gotta be delicate with those calves made me think, Oh, maybe it is just, just a holding. Um, there's been a drumbeat. He's being completely honest and we have no idea because it's Kyle. True. Well, you do got to be delicate with those guests. Ricky Pierce all reportedly is looking better. This has been a lot of the practice reports.

49:52And then we got an on the ground correspondent report from Jordan Rodrigue that I'm going to quote directly. Oh, she's not happy with me when I, I paraphrased some of her quotes the other day on Trey Harris, when she had detailed, you know, just to how special he was. So I'm going to quote her directly. Okay. Pierce all is going to be really, really good. He's a clear number one to me and a volume player at Monday's practice. Extremely strong and physical at the catch point, quicker off the line of scrimmage than I expected. He won a lot. Love it. Thanks, Jordan. I mean, that was good. That's, that's a fuse of praise.

50:30I'll buy it. Like you got to trust. First of all, you got to trust what you see when you're there. And I think he showed last year, like he's an NFL player and he had a lot to overcome. not just the shooting, but the injuries and learning this offense. It's very difficult for a receiver. And I guess I'd kind of give Kyle the benefit of the doubt, too, that he is really good picking out receivers. So I could see a huge second-year leak. Yeah, and there was a lot going on between Ayuk and the injury and the holdout and being late. Of course, Ricky had to overcome the wound trauma from his gunshot, and he's coming back and playing his rookie season.

51:10It's a lot. There was turmoil. Debo eventually was going to get traded. There was a lot happening. Significantly less happening this offseason. Yes. And they need him to show out. Kevin Givens is a defensive tackle for the team that was possibly going to start. And he has a pectoral injury that is going to knock him out into the regular season. Maybe a big chunk of it. Isaac Garendo, the backup running back, is going to be out for a few weeks. I've noticed a lot of pop on Upton Stout, their rookie nickelback. he's sending cut-ups back and forth to the old nickelback for them K 'Juan Williams I like that when like ex-players become friends it's been a lot of Mac Jones pop sneaky Mac Jones pop and they cut Greg Joseph so I guess Jake Moody is their only kicker on the roster but Kyle again being weird kind of worn like the kicker battle is not over it's just they have 13 guys out of practice because of injuries and five more on pup and he said that is not the luxury but I think kickers know that they're battling guys that aren't even here.

52:10So that he basically was saying, don't get too comfortable with that. All right, let's go to another division. By the way, the last thing that Jordan said, which I really liked on a text was that she watched Pierce, all his eyes and hands, all practice. And he's got quote, it. Oh, end quote. He's got it locked in. So does Jordan to, to focus that intently on, on one aspect of practice while also covering the entire, practice it's it's a generation she's got it you know we're blessed to be associated with the south I'll let you pick the team that we start with Greg why don't we do that well I pick the team we're going to the NFC south we save the best for last and I think we start with the Saints let's start with the New Orleans Saints who have seen we'll start with the good news Blake group made 59 and 54 yards over the weekend he's 25 of 26 on kips on kicks right now in camp.

53:05Also, Kool-Aid McKinstry has taken every snap at right corner, and he picked off Spencer Rattler over the weekend on a great play. Good stuff for the second-year guy out of the University of Alabama. They've had guys flash on defense. Over on the offensive side, it's still Rattler and Shuck not as much Hayner. They're still alternating in terms of the quarterback position. They signed Shane Lemieux as Nick Salvadori went to IR. So it's a guard. Both of those guys playing the guard position. The shifts up front, still kind of working through the former first round tackles, struggles to make a spot for the guard position.

53:48Blanking on Trevor Penning. Trevor Penning. There it is. The draft for need a few years ago that didn't work out in terms of talent or need. The quarterback battle. it just sounds like it's rattler by default right now that he he's done some things there's not a lot of throws down the field i've listened to nick underhill at new orleans.football and mike triplet who are there every day and in his words he says he thought there's no doubt that he's ahead and that he can just play in an nfl game and that chuck just does not look ready to play in an nfl game which which makes sense because despite of tyler shucks advanced age which i mean it's 365 65 days for everybody.

54:30The actual play experience in college really didn't add up to that much. I believe it's less than 30 total starts. They might have had more plays in their scrimmage on Sunday than he had in his entire career. They played in 126 plays in their scrimmage, which is outrageous. That's an outrageously long scrimmage where they did full drives. And yeah, as you mentioned, it was mostly Chuck and Rattler with the starting team. And how they described it was, yeah, the offense was struggling in general, but Shuck's bad plays looked catastrophic, looked panicked, looked like, hey, I'm just throwing it blind, or hey, I don't know what's going on, and then not being totally ready, even though he had actually apparently like a long touchdown drive where he did some good things, but he just isn't pushing the ball down the field at all, and the bad plays are extra bad.

55:23And so we'll see. I think they're a really interesting team to watch in the preseason. And again, a lot of that is that give and take, because like the defensive gas flashing that I was talking about, like Ugo Amati making plays, Alante Taylor, especially in zone coverages in which we talked about last week in the NFC, was all of these Saints defenders saying that they're able to have more freedom. they're able to move around and be more aggressive because it's not as complicated and they're not as set in the ways of the 2024 saints defense and so that's that's been a continuing theme and i think that may be a reason because both of these units are are dealing with new coordinators a new head coach it's an offensive head coach young quarterbacks these things do say take some time but again um the outlook for the actual season for the saints talent wise roster wise it's it's a little rough not great not not not i have some talented players though i think they have the thing is they have a lot more to me talented players than the titans for instance or or even the browns overall but but it's they're going to be held back all right let's move on yeah let's move on to the rival where the atlanta falcons the focus and concern would be with first round edge jalen walker his hamstring is causing him to miss some practice they're taking an abundance of caution.

56:39He seems to be intimating that he's fine. There's some quotes. He said, I have my emotions, of course. I'm just getting back out there as fast as I can, but they know what's best for the team and they know what's best for me. So it feels like Jalen might want to get back on the field, get more work in 11 on 11. They have high days and low days and they're getting more work for Jalen Walker on the low days and the high days where it's more 11 on 11 team stuff. Full pads, full speed, not doing as much right now. I feel like that's out of an abundance of caution. Caleb McGarry, congratulations. Got an extension today.

57:16He was set to earn a base of 14-5. Don't have the total numbers, but I'm sure he gets a bump up for this year. And they don't have a tackle problem next year. And again, a reminder to teams who may have talented players that they would like to have on the team, you can sign them a year before their deal is up. So Caleb McGarry gets a new deal for the Falcons. Even just solid to good starters. Because you know what you need in the NFL? Solid to good starters. Like, you don't wait until the last minute, or you don't just try to hopefully replace them in the draft. I feel like there hasn't been a ton of buzz off Michael Penix this camp.

57:53That's not good or bad. I think he's, by all accounts, played pretty well down there. It's just interesting. It's almost like people treat him like a known commodity when he's totally not, but we'll just see. I mean, he got thrust in his first few starts in the heat of a playoff race and they can perform well. They came very, very close. We will not see him nor Kirk Cousins in the preseason, which I would feel like it's an opportunity to get out there and show Kirk O. Change can move and throw the ball and be like, hey, team, wouldn't you like to have Kirk Cousins? I mean, in theory, it's risky and him getting hurt.

58:31But I tend to agree with you. any activity, football activity, including practice, is a risk of getting hurt, and you have to play football at some point. I think it'd be okay to play Kirk Cousins a little in the preseason. I'm with you, especially for my enjoyment. I'm not watching any Falcons. Give me a break. I'd like to see Mike and some of the young guys. Xavier Watts, the rookie safety out of Notre Dame, making some plays in camp as well. Feel great about him. Over to the Carolina Panthers. They had their fan evening, which was great for almost everybody other than Ryan Fitzgerald, the rookie kicker.

59:02who I believe only missed like two kicks in his entire college career, was one for three. He's in a kicking competition with Matthew Wright. That was rough. We will see Bryce and the starters in the preseason opener. Let's go. Steelers, according to Dave Canales. Help out the NFL Network programming. Yeah, right? They have a center battle right now. Cade Mays and Austin Corbett. Coach Canales said they're just playing this out, seeing how it goes. The difference is Cade Mays is 26, making$3.4 million. dollars. Austin Corbett has a five million dollar cap hit and he's 30. So I have to feel like if that one continues to be close, then they're going to go with with Mays in the center spot.

59:41And they signed a search bar member Chris Barnes over the weekend. He didn't play a lot with the search bar, but he did play for the Cardinals a lot in 2023 started six games. Yeah, I think they're settling in on their cornerback rotation to young player. Chow Smith Wade is their their cornerback three. I think they like their cornerbacks. Obviously, J.C. Horn and Mike Jackson, they brought back more than maybe the outside does. Mike K does a good job covering them for the Charlotte Observers. And he said the other day, he thinks Jadavian Sanders might be your MVP of training camp so far. Second year at tight end.

1:00:16So that's a name to watch. He'd have to be a deep fantasy leaguer, but a talented young man. So something to watch. Big physical. has the physical traits to, you know, if he's able to put it all together, go into that echelon. I'm not calling him George Kittle or Trey McBride now, but just in terms of physical stature, he could do it. And Tommy Trumbull was the starter, but he's hurt, so it might be one of those situations you don't get your starting job back. By the way, it's Tetaroa McMillan or T-Mac, but he has laid it out. He does not want to be called Tet, like specifically. Don't call him Tet.

1:00:52and his mom doesn't want it. And that's the priority. She was in the audience when they asked him about it too. He deferred to her and that's his name. That's the name I gave him was Tetaroa. It wasn't Tet. I appreciate it. If you want to go TMAC, that's cool. Yeah. But I appreciate going directly to the source on that. I just wanted to, yeah. The original source, like, hey, mom, you take this. He deferred. She was sitting in the crowd. He let her answer. All right, let's finish with the Bucs. Todd Bowles said that he has to consistently remind himself that Jacob Parrish is a rookie. When asked about his growth, he said that it's hard to say that Jacob Parrish has grown because of how good he was when he got there.

1:01:33Okay. So Jacob Parrish in the secondary for the Bucs. Lock it down there. Interesting. Give me more. Position. Cornerback. Safety. Cornerback. Cornerback. Jacob Parrish, the corner. I remember back a few years ago, Matthew Stafford on a follow through, hit his thumb on a helmet, led to the fluffy helmets. Not necessarily out of head injury prevention, just to prevent the quarterback from hurting himself. Baker's injury also came on a follow through where he hit a shoulder pad. Kind of day to day with that. Not a lot of concern. He's been out of practice. Yeah, but it doesn't sound like it's a big.

1:02:10Yeah, just precautionary stuff. and yeah the rookies that we discussed last week for the Bucs still lighten it up still feel great about it yeah this will be the last NFC takeaways with this format because in the following weeks we're going to be doing preseason game takeaways and any notes from the week we can kind of throw in there but yeah we're just losing ways to come up with positives to talk about with Amika Abuka I mean Scott here's another here's one for you. Scott Reynolds, who covers them for Pewter Report. He's covered them the whole time. He says the best rookie that he's seen in a rookie training camp in 30 years of covering the team.

1:02:53That's effusive. It's like you have to give, if someone's been there all 30 years, you got to be like, I can't doubt that. I haven't been there. That's multiple Hall of Famers over the course of 30 years. He said it's the best camp. He was not saying is going to be the best player. He said it's been the best camp. So that's the type of love that Agbuga gets. And it's the type of love that Patrick Claiborne gets on this show. So last week, we'll circle back. We had a lot of options to name the Claiborne fan group. I had some that I came up with. We took some from the fans. And we asked on Instagram, where you can do polls, what the favorites were.

1:03:41The problem is they only give you the option to go four at a time on Instagram. So I do want to show you the votes. Okay. And we had two different votes. And Claymates, who I believe was suggested by one of the listeners, was not even brought up on the show. Runaway winner in terms of their section. Just destroyed Clay Bon Voyage, Clay Bonafides. The problem is, I have to admit, I kind of forgot. I saw Claymates after the fact. I tried to put the four best in the first grouping, and that was going to be it. I was just making some editorial judgment. And then I was like, oh, I forgot about Claymates.

1:04:20That is kind of amazing. James Coe actually reached out and was like, Claymates is amazing. And I was like, oh, we got to make sure Claymates is in there. And so I think the deck was kind of stacked for Claymates to win. And so that's why I'm not taking this as a final result. Let's go to the next voting. And this one was closer. Between the Claybon Bonds, the Claybon Vivants, Pat's Pack, and the Claybon Ivers. And very evenly distributed in terms of the votes. But ultimately, the Claybon Bonds won among these four with 39 % of the vote. Pat's Pack, who Jordan Rodriguez suggested, great one, 24%.

1:05:00Yeah, this was a barn burner. Yeah, I think these were the better ones in general. And so I think we need to have a, you know, run that, what do they call it? A runoff. We need, we need to have the clay bonbons versus the clay mates in one final vote to make it clear because the way I set it up, it didn't seem fair. Maybe clay mates will still win, but it didn't seem fair that they got this easy draw. And that's why all the votes don't count the same. And so it's tough because I, despite the fact that I have so many alt accounts, I can only log in. that you get rate limited. If you, the Instagram servers too much to log on on alt accounts.

1:05:41So I can only vote so much. And you know, 141 times. And yeah. And if you're watching and if you've already turned off, I would totally understand. But if you're, if you're deeply invested in this, like Robert, like myself, you know, we had a graphic initially and this got Eric really fired up because he put all the votes up all together. And I just thought that would be unfair. And that's on me as a host. for not spelling out, but you were... I did exactly what you said. Hey, can you put this on a graphic? And I put the numbers and the words on a graphic. And I just thought it was misleading because it looked like they were all against each other, but it was kind of like one was in the AFC and one was in the NFC.

1:06:19The Eagles didn't get to have a lead in the Super Bowl because they scored more in the NFC championship. This is a great conversation to have before we start recording. And then you totally... Send this to the graphics department next time, not your producer, thanks. Like on the path to the Super Bowl, the Eagles didn't play the Jags. Like all of these things happen. Like the graphic does indicate how many people in a particular opportunity voted for a particular. Claymates got more than a hundred votes, more than clay bonbons. So maybe they are the favorites. I only bring this up because Eric Roberts is one of the coolest, most collected producers ever, ever known to man, one of his great traits.

1:07:01and when I mentioned this thing about the graphic, I mean, he got fired up. It's the little things that set me off, Greg. He was mad at me. Well, yeah, because he felt like he executed. Can we have these made into a graphic? Yeah. Sure. Or just fly them up. Yeah, because those screenshots look amazing. I mean, I know now what Eric Roberts is like when Michael Conforto strikes out for the third time with the men in scoring position late in the eighth. So yeah, we're going to have to bring the vote, move it forward in one final runoff. I cannot believe anybody is partaking in this, but thank you.

1:07:42It's democracy. It's not getting respected everywhere, but we're into it here. So we will put up that vote. I'll put it up tonight. This process is more democratic than anything. Monday night, we're putting that vote up. Tuesday, very excited. As I mentioned, we're coming back. Daniel Jeremiah and I again subscribe to 40s and Free Agents and then our next show in this feed after that NFL Daily Feed will be with our friend Colleen Wolfe little mailbag by the way yes send me any questions on Blue Sky or Twitter wherever you want to do it you know Clay Bon Bons we're back

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