Patrick Mahomes Gets Extension and Corporate Goodbyes at the End of Minicamps

22:28Gregg Rosenthal:But I do like it. It shows a real connectedness to me that he's sort of picking his spots to do good PR for his teammates. Tank Dell has been in and out of the offseason program, not doing full teamwork at minicamp, but I just like seeing him out there running routes. Nice to see. I'm also buying all. There's more CJ Stroud looks better, is playing better hype than maybe anyone else in the entire offseason. And I wish I had bought stock in him the other day in our buying stock segment. I would also buy Stock and Colston Loveland as the tight end one in Chicago, but also just the wide receiver one.

23:04Ben Johnson this week called him the most consistent or one of the most consistent players that he's ever been around. He's been around a lot of players. And it's just all systems go for Loveland kind of as the hub of that offense. Brandon Ayuk, I don't think is going to be the hub of any offense this year. We'll see if he's even a member of the Washington Commanders. I think there's some red flags about that for them, but he keeps releasing these social videos. And we alluded to it the other day, so I don't want to linger on it. But he had another one that came out this week just saying that the 49ers were mad that they paid him$50 million in eight months, which I don't think is going to make the commanders feel great about signing him now.

23:44But he's clearly trying to push publicly, or at least that's what it looks like, to get released. You know who's not going to get released is another one of the great young tight ends in the NFL. That's Tucker Craft. Let's listen to him talk about his recovery. Obviously, the Packers offense was not the same after his injury a year ago. He is working his way back. Starting camp on the pup and coming off camp, my anticipation is, you know, they don't really want us talking about our injuries and stuff.

24:16Gregg Rosenthal:But with how I feel, I would say I'm going to get all the conditioning I need in camp to start week one on no pitch count. I love when players do that just as a reporter because the teams are so angsty about it. He's right. They don't want them talking about their injury. The coaches will sidestep however many questions and actual legitimate answers as possible for as long as they can. And I really appreciate when a player is just like, I don't care about any of that. I'm just going to tell you what's going on, and I will be back. It's a great sign, and when I saw the insider, Schefter, Ian kind of co-sign it, maybe like they had been hearing that too.

24:56You never know. Players are always optimistic, but that's a great sign. I noted too, when we're talking just little nuggets, and the Packers are one of the teams that are wrapping up their offseason for the veterans on Thursday. They do have rookies working out next week, but in terms of the veterans, they're basically done. that Matt LaFleur noted rookie offensive lineman Yager Burton working with the ones, staying in line for playing time. So they're actually still maybe figuring out their offensive line, but sometimes this time of year, I know it's non-padded work, so it doesn't mean that much, but sometimes guys like that pop up a little bit and they're still trying to figure out like the right five for their offensive line.

25:34Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I think it's, you know, we've heard some from Matt LaFleur this off season about reconnecting with the locker room, reconnecting with his offense and sort of retooling a lot of it as well. And I think this is a good personal PR move for him with the vets because the vets want to see that the rookies have to do something that they don't have to do. And then on Yager, great Green Bay Packers alignment name, by the way. Oh, yeah. Kentucky, right? And that's like a zone. I mean, it makes sense. It's sort of a tell for me. It's a zone team. It's a team, Will Stein is there. It's a team that does a lot of its principles that are predicated off of this Shanahan system, early iterations of it that ran a lot of zone.

26:20Gregg Rosenthal:And so I think like, yeah, that makes sense. That's sort of a tell for me. You know what doesn't make sense? Me saying his name was Jager. Just guessing. Is it just Jager? Jager? It's Jager. Still a great Packer. We're going to call him Jager. We're going to forever refer to him as Jaeger on this show. Jaeger, Jager. Jager. He's a rookie, but apparently he is actually. He doesn't run. He Jags. Is Jagger, which is, you know, like named after Mick. Speaking of great wordplay. Kraft just dropped in a line in the middle of his press conference that I had not heard. And he said, look, you know, we haven't been.

26:59He was pretty upset about how last season ended, how they keep losing. He says, it's no slight to anyone who's been here, but we haven't performed well enough. It's time to nut up or shut up. And I was just like, oh, nut up or shut up. Like, I didn't know that that's a phrase.

27:19Gregg Rosenthal:You've never heard nut up or shut up? No, no, we got to put that on a t-shirt. Yeah, nut up or shut up. He said football is as simple as that. We don't need to talk about it. It's nut up or shut up time for the Green Bay Packers. It's nut up or shut up time. For the corporate lingo, see you for the summer segment. We are going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to go through a couple teams that just sent some corporate jingo reminders to their players before breaking for the next 40 days or so.

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30:52back on NFL Daily. Apparently, nut up or shut up. A commonly used phrase that our producer Eric even uses with his two-year-old. Everyone knows nut up or shut up. Now I do as well. I'm more familiar with the corporate lingo.

31:11Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, you've sent some emails in your day. I'm a little removed from it now, I gotta be honest. You know, we're here. We're making shows. Eric does a great job shielding me from the shield in some ways. And we're in our little bubble. I don't feel like our job is too corporate. The most corporate thing about the job is having to fill out all the security videos and answer quizzes at the end of them and a variety of those, like once a month and stuff like that. But otherwise, I don't feel like it's that corporate. You've worked for multiple corporations, so I'm really excited to see where you take this.

31:49And yes, as I mentioned, over half the league broke for the summer this week. A number of teams will be doing that next week. But for the teams that broke this week, we have just some communications going out.

32:00Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I think we've all been there. I think we've all gotten the before summer break email. I think we've all gotten the corporate speak, whether it's on Slack or via email or Gchat or even on like some sort of PowerPoint presentation. uh corporate language is all around us and even sometimes we might be guilty of using it ourselves um my first one is for the baltimore ravens who broke camp this week for the summer this is a tribute of the eternally annoying i'm just circling back before the break email that we've all gotten um here's actually a really not annoying circle back that i thought was a nice touch for the Ravens on Wednesday.

32:41Gregg Rosenthal:The coaching staff put kicker Tyler Loop out on the field with a chance to send the players off the field early, about a half an hour before practice, and therefore camp was scheduled to, mini camp was scheduled to actually end. And I love the reports of his vibe, because if he was going to make a field goal, he could send everybody home early. If he missed it, you know with with specters of wide right sort of still looming in his mind then they would still have to practice and according to the Baltimore reporters there Tyler Loop walked on the field and told coaches to start packing their stuff up and like get ready to go home boy is the kind of a thing and so he makes the kick they go home early I just thought in terms of circling back the way the Ravens circled back on a really terrible memory of how their season or post season unfortunately ended and how Tyler loop was, it was a key element of that, uh, to have this moment as the last memory before their summer vacation, I thought was pretty solid.

33:42That, that is great. And he, he spoke about a little bit afterwards too. And that's an interesting spot there. And I like it. It's a new coaching staff and you're, you're starting to start fresh, but man, imagine if he had missed that kick. I know if he'd like totally duffed it to the right, like everything sucks then you like it's like a total crisis it is sneaky a lot of pressure so they must have been feeling great about what they had been seeing from from time yeah well

34:08Gregg Rosenthal:they didn't bring in another kicker they never did they they don't they bring in competition so i think that helped too the the funny thing that i think about is like so uh for the listeners that don't know in mini camp and otas and training camp they don't often use regulation size field goalposts. They use what are called the skinny posts and they're about a third of the width of a regular set of goalposts. They're easier to store obviously for that reason. And then it also makes it a little bit more challenging for the kicker to have to aim. So it's like the stakes are already that your teammates are going to be really annoyed with you if you miss it.

34:46Gregg Rosenthal:And then also they roll out in such a high stakes situation. It's like circus set of goalposts, which to me is like that even ups the ante a little bit more because you got to hit it through a pinhole at that point. It's badass. It's badass. It sounds like he had the right attitude. He said he heard from a lot of other kickers who've gone through similar things. Even some kickers' wives reached out to his wife. It's like it's a whole community, and it's easy to forget that they would have been a dangerous, if nothing else, more entertaining first-round opponent for the Houston Texans. Didn't happen.

35:20But now I think it worked out better for them. I think they would have fired John Harbaugh anyways, but you never know if maybe they would have won a playoff game and then that would have changed things. Because Declan Doyle, Lamar, like it's a different vibe all the way around. And I'm excited to see like how that actually plays out.

35:38Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I don't mean to overstate this because I think this time of year we do pay a lot of attention and sometimes too much so to vibes coming out of these OTAs or exciting reports coming out of these OTAs. but Declan Doyle another thing I do want to circle back on Greg he he's given me a little bit of Ben Johnson vibes in camp first of all the way that players are talking about him second of all the way that he is on their asses every single day like he he took Mark Andrews off the field apparently according to reports there for a pre-snap penalty that was very Ben Johnson a year ago just remember like just losing his gourd absolute mind at these practices he got on lamar jackson for running the wrong play and lamar was laughing about it afterward that he cursed at him and he was like whoa man like okay and like was there it seems like he's and obviously lamar is is making light of it at the end of the practice but he's coaching hard over there and i think it's interesting we'll see if he's really got the stuff that they're saying about i've i've heard really good things even previous to him taking this this job but this time of year it's always good to exercise caution about the reports of the young you know new hotshot coordinator or assistant coach that's that's on these teams um in this case though it is something I'm going to want to circle back on at training camp Lamar was seen in New York uh after the Knicks win celebrating with a bunch of Knicks fans just taking videos outside and he's being super friendly about it but I'm not sure if that Lamar went to the game and there were he did have some quotes that was like the floor seats uh you know were so expensive like it was like 50 60k not the floor seats were crazy but even like the middle seats uh where you'd have to be packed in he was like was like 50k so I don't know if he actually paid the money and he was just happened to be walking around New York um but celebrating uh the greatest comeback in in finals history all right is that it for the Ravens um or should we circle back one more just one more thing because he's his contract is not up this this year obviously but there is some contract talk about him and um our friend Ian Rapoport said on the insiders the other day that he would not be surprised if Lamar waited until 2027 um to really start pushing a little bit more on that type of extension um he's got two years left technically he's got next year and then a bunch of void years uh so undrafted free agency wouldn't be till 2028 and then there's like a ton of void years but there's also um There's also that question.

38:12Gregg Rosenthal:You don't want to play, you know, you don't want your franchise quarterback leading up to the last year of his deal. And there was such an annoying cycle about that last contract and teams putting statements out there that they're by no means were interested in how that worked out for you, Atlanta Falcons. So I just, I'd like to avoid the annoying parts this time around, you know, pay your best players, pay your superstars. But it sounds like he would also, according to what Rappaport was saying would also be willing to wait to to probably up the price a little bit more right I think this is a case and you don't think of this for a multiple MVP winner he's betting on himself because he knows he holds the leverage here his salary cap number is 84 million dollars next year so you have to adjust that it's 42 the year after that so that's a total of 126 the next two years and he's not coming off his best season I love this as a rate if you were a Ravens fan and you're hearing this, it's a new, like, everything we've heard so far in terms of the shape he's in, all that, it sounds great, and to me it sounds like I think that price is gonna go up even more after the badass season I have.

39:22And, I'm gonna have you over a barrel, because that contract is untenable for you right now, the way it's structured in the South.

39:29Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, and no contingency plan. Yes. Well, of course, yeah. There's no replacing Lamar Jackson. Yeah. Although we do have Snoop Huntley there, which I like. yelling at a rookie I saw in one of the write-ups from your colleague at The Athletic. All right, let's go to the Eagles where we have a bunch of little things, but I actually was able to procure an email from Sean Mannion to Jalen Hurd. It's brief, but he says, before we break for the summer, I just want to say how much I appreciated you saying Tuesday that it was a good spring because you onboarded a new system. The synergy between our run game and pass game has never been better.

40:09There's greater alignment with A.J. Brown out of the building, and I love to hear that you are going to touch base offline with the receivers before camp. Can't wait to ideate on ways to scale this up after the break. Ping me when you are back in town. Seems like they're going along. Oh, my God.

40:26Gregg Rosenthal:You hit all the bingo squares on that one. That's great. Oh, my God. Ping me. Ideate offline. That's where I started losing it a little bit. The alignment. There's always a lot of alignment. I tried to jam decision tree in there. That's one of the most annoying ones, but I couldn't think of how to get decision tree. Synergy, though, to pivot to some actual points, they're trying to make some synergy between the running game and the pass game. That's been the issue. I think that they've lived in these different worlds, and I listened in prep for this very five-minute segment here to our friend, Bo Wolfe, doing a great job with EJ Smith on the PHLY podcast.

41:09And they said in this offseason, they would say it's been about 80 % under center snaps for Jalen Hurts, which is insane. Now, there's no way they're going to be 80 % in the season. No NFL team is doing that, but I think they're working on something. And they said it's been uneven, as you would expect. They haven't had Devontae Smith out there for a lot of it. Makai Lemons hurt, and it's a new offense. Like, I'm not really worried about how it's looking, But just the fact that they're doing that tells me they're trying to marry the pass and the running. And they said, for what it's worth, which is in a ton in June, that the running game has popped a lot more than they believe it normally would this time of year.

41:45Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I would just I would also say, and obviously those guys do a great job. But as someone who's kind of watched the system being built, installed from the ground up before, that's a direct setup for everything else they're going to install in training camp is getting heavy, heavy, heavy under center installs in OTAs, setting up the play action out of under center packages, really understanding keywords, cues, timing of those snaps and what the play action has to look like. and then getting a little bit more multiple gun runs, pistol, things like that, shotgun in general as camp progresses and installing a more diverse set of pre-snap looks and alignments.

42:28Gregg Rosenthal:But you have to start when you're building this thing from the ground up. You do have to start there, really get that timing and a lot of those key words down in what you're communicating with the rest of your offense. So one of the key words was maybe, and I don't want to paint with a broad brush, There's a few corporate quarterbacks out there who have really taken the mantle from how Peyton Manning used to be, used to drive Chris Wessling crazy. He believes Peyton Manning changed quarterback press conferences forever for how corporate he was. Jalen Hurts is kind of the next generation of that.

43:03Let's listen to him find the corporate buzzword in his statement.

43:07Gregg Rosenthal:I thought it was a really good spring, being able to onboard another new system and put everything together, lay the foundation so you know I'm encouraged by that I'm encouraged by the work that we were able to put in we've got a fun summer ahead of us and it'll be a fun training camp being able to get back on the grass On board I mean we got an NFL quarterback saying that he on boarded he also answered some tough questions on A.J. Brown leaving I thought he handled that all really well no major headlines out of that but my biggest headline is just the offense is going to be different and that he seems in a very good mood was he's been defensive in the past about a lot of things.

43:42Didn't think he's defensive right now. Nick Sirianni, not defensive really about the A.J. Brown of it all either, just saying they had great times together. It's time to move on. But now they have the battle that everyone is watching. Yeah, it's Andy Dalton versus Tanner McKee.

43:56Gregg Rosenthal:We obviously are rotating there at the two spot. I'm not ready to say anybody is anything as far as positions. We don't have to make any determinations there. but what Andy and Tanner have been doing every other day is rotating there with the twos and both getting a lot of good work. Supposedly, Andy Dalton's thrown like a million interceptions. I'm not going to draw too many conclusions here, but Bo has been joking about every other, just a ton of interceptions. So we'll see who wins that battle. They also made a signing, I found interesting, AJ Epinesa, who I had in my top 70 free agents overall available.

44:35I don't think fully understand the injury issues that he was dealing with, which actually caused the Browns to back out of an agreement where he failed a physical. But he's an interesting name who's provided solid rotational snaps, so they added a little more to their edge depth. And now they are done for the offseason. So long to the Eagles until late July. Are we ready for the Cardinals to get corporate?

45:02Gregg Rosenthal:Yes. First of all, though, I'm curious, what is what's one that like really annoys you? Like what's a what's a corporate. A corporate word or phrase that actually does kind of get grind your gears a little like the from the treetops. I feel like that's got from the treetops. Yeah, it's like I think the problem is in like the 30 ,000 foot view different stuff. I think the problem is people who use corporate lingo realize which ones have gotten overused and then they cycle in new ones. But they're always just using some. Just don't use them in general. I came upon a new one about a year ago that really, I don't know what it is about it, that it drives me nuts.

45:46Gregg Rosenthal:And I don't understand why it's used in meetings or whatever. When somebody makes a point or brings up a suggestion, it's not even an argument. it's um okay good call out good call out and i'm like well who who's being called out that's a negative thing this was just a suggestion that one drives me nuts because i just think we should say what we mean about things right like good call out well that makes it sound like there's conflict when there's not there's there's you know functional suggestion making and jordan You're not being famously avoiding conflict. I've been trying to coach her up to call people out a little more.

46:28I know.

46:29Gregg Rosenthal:You need to start saying good call out when I actually do enter into conflict. Offline maybe actually is the one that makes my skin crawl the most because it's just used so, let's just call it life. Upload. You want to upload offline on that? Offline presumes that the rest of life is online. All right. We're going to wrap up here with the Cardinals. We've got a lot to talk about. The Cardinals. The team of 2025 NFL Daily that let us all down. I think the expectation is going to be a little lower this year. Yeah, and similar to you, I mean, we've done some really good sleuthing here, Greg, because I've also procured an email.

47:09Gregg Rosenthal:This is to owner Michael Bidwell, CC head coach, Mike LaFleur, CC management, from Jacoby Brissett, subject line, per my last email. hi all just wanted to put a final note on your desk before the break as per my last email and the one before that i will not be throwing live reps until my contract is adjusted if you'd like your brand new head coach already an underdog in the division to roll out his new offense and training camp with a rookie middle round draft pick at quarterback and not at least pay me more money than anthony richardson is making this year that's on you i mean my cap number is in gardner Minshew, Jared Stidham territory.

47:50Gregg Rosenthal:You're all pro tight end. We'll get more frustrated. You'll waste more years of your young receivers rookie contract. And what happens to your new star, Jeremiah Love, and your precious run game if nobody fears the pass? You need me. Jimmy G decided to contemplate retirement as a backup rather than join this franchise as a starter. And that's saying something because can you even imagine the kind of damage that guy would do in Scottsdale? And are you guys, by the way, are you guys watching Widows Bay? If I don't get paid, I'm going to just keep showing up on your sidelines, looming in the distance as you try to run from this conversation.

48:21Gregg Rosenthal:Joining all the off-season memes about you all is another reminder of your particularly circular organizational curse. And unlike Widow's Bay episode eight, the boogeyman wins this one, bitch. And I say that as a member of Team Patricia. My best to all your families and have a great summer. Jacoby. Whoa, that wasn't passive aggressive. That was just aggressive. I could imagine if Bidwell was more conversant with the lingo, he just would reply like TLDR. But to get to the end of that, because he's taken major shots there, Jacoby Brissett. I don't know if that's the way to approach it. If you're Jacoby Brissett, let's actually listen to Mike LaFleur talk about this quarterback battle right now.

49:06Who do you guys view as QB1 hitting any training camp?

49:09Gregg Rosenthal:not really concerned about QB one right now. I'm concerned about these guys all reporting on July 22nd, really more concerned about the next 40 days and what these guys are doing to, you know, continue. Like you can't take steps backwards. That's not the quarterback. That's all these guys. So literally my only focus right now is that we don't play again until September. It is June, whatever it is right now, 10th or whatnot. So not worried about that right now. Your thoughts, no longer the presumptive starter, Jacoby Bursette. Yeah. Okay. Like, OK, I'm just going to like parse the subtext there or download it.

49:44Gregg Rosenthal:Right. Like, yeah, I mean, that's that's it. And, you know, Mike's got to do the best he can in this situation. Right. It's not really his call. He's not the one signing the contract. And he wants to get his offense off the ground. I would imagine that. So he's got to say that he has to say that. And he also has to deflect immediately from questions about the quarterback to broadening it out to the rest of the roster. Like, good job on the corporate coach speak there, Mike. Learning fast. I, you know, had my ears perk up just a little bit when he said July 22nd. They are playing in the Hall of Fame game.

50:25This is the latest possible that teams are showing up for training camp. Like, we are in the latest cycle. The season's starting the latest except for that Wednesday game. But that is a late first team to be showing up to training camp. I don't know if that's good or bad for us, Jordan. We have a little more time to fill in July. But yeah, maybe look at the calendar, take a few extra days off. We're going to be taping through the dead period, but we aren't going to be living up to our name. We're not going to be exactly daily during the quiet time. But they're the first team to show up. That's when we really crank up.

50:59And most of the teams are showing up at the very end of camp. One of the things we'll be tracking with this Cardinals team is just how they use Jeremiah Love. And he, he being Mike LaFleur in the middle of June, where there's not a lot of news to latch on to, concerned the fantasy football community with his quotes about his running back situation this week.

51:19Gregg Rosenthal:Just like if Steph Curry's on fire and he's supposed to get his sub, you're not taking the hot hand out. And that's kind of the same approach you end up taking with a back. Like a back, just like a basketball player or any football player can get into a rhythm. It's like, just keep giving the football. Like he's just feeling it right now. It's a totally nothing burger of a quote. Calm down, fantasy. If Tyler Algier is really rolling, like, yeah, there's plenty to go around for both of them. Don't worry. I mean, if there's one thing that every NFL head coach and offensive coordinator is specifically thinking about when putting together their game plan, it is your fantasy football roster.

51:57and Steph Curry apparently I don't know if Algier or James Conner at this point of his career is going to get hot like Steph Curry I'd view that as a positive that Jeremiah Love could be that guy getting hot and they're going to leave him out there I'm not worried about him at all I am worried about the other Proctor in the draft by the way kind of an under the radar gem that a lot of people like Caleb Proctor who the cards drafted is going to be out for the season it was revealed unfortunately so those are the worst uh items of news i think it was an achilles injury and uh and so that's a fourth round pick that they won't be able to get any production out of well we got production out of our um we don't like weight-bearing walls um but we i like weight-bearing walls okay you do you do you said you didn't say it sounded great but well i think it's funny i think it sounds we're trying to be the foundation upon which you know nfl daily nfl media podcast group is built, Jordan.

52:52I think we're doing a hell of a job. We got a big show on Monday. We have our flag football extravaganza. You and Eric and Chris and all the people at flag and NFL, you've been working on this one behind the scenes. It's been percolating. And while the rest of the world talks football, we're going to talk about our new Olympic sport a little bit on Monday. So that's going to be a deep dive. I'm looking forward to that

53:18Gregg Rosenthal:with you yeah anytime you get to talk to future olympians sign me up yes uh it is exciting next week uh we will also be wrapping up all the mini camps for all the teams around the league so we'll have coverage on that we'll have uh some rankings but this is it for this week on nfl daily now if we're leaving for 40 days football is not really playback Thank you.

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