Radio Row Day 1: Justin Jefferson, Jaxson Dart, Mac Jones and Brandon Graham!

14:12Jourdan Rodrigue:I want to hear from you, Shook, some takeaways. I'm going to put you on the spot before we race through just a couple little items of news and then get to our interviews. Takeaways from your time so far with the Patriots.

14:25Nick Shook:I think it's interesting that this is a team that, yes, they have a history of being at the Super Bowl, but this roster does not. yet they have a coach who has a history of playing in the Super Bowl. So you think, okay, you're going to come in with experience. You have Josh McDaniels on that staff. There's a number of other coaches. I just spent a lot of time talking with Doug Marone today about the offensive line. And the prevailing theme that I get from every interaction with every player, no matter which side of the ball they play on or what role they fill in this team, is that they are a tight-knit group.

14:51Nick Shook:Togetherness seems to be dominating their whole process and how they got here. I don't know if I've seen, and this may sound hyperbolic, and I acknowledge that, But I don't know if I've seen in my, this is now my sixth Super Bowl, a team that just seems so tight-knit coming to the Super Bowl like this. And while they may be the underdog and they may be the team that most expect to lose or whatever, what have you, they sure seem to believe a lot in themselves right now. And it's because they all have each other's backs.

15:16Justin Jefferson:I really love Shook mentioning Doug Marone, because I've been saying this the last few days. That coaching staff feels like a proper island of misfit toys. Like I mentioned Todd Downing already. Ashton Grant, the quarterback coach, who's 30 years old and never played in the NFL, that came through the diversity program, the Bill Walsh diversity program. It's a really interesting room of people and ideas, and seemingly it's been encouraged by both Josh McDaniels and the head coaching position to really be like a melting pot of ideas. I think it's really interesting.

15:41Gregg Rosenthal:One of Vrabel's best talents is hiring people. He's very, very good at it, and we joked at the beginning of the year that, yes, you hired Josh McDaniels, who's kind of coming into his fifth or sixth era in a really refreshing way as an offensive coordinator, But you also set about hiring a lot of people to make up for the fact that Josh McDaniels is a very specific type of coach who's not necessarily going to be the player guy who's going to lead the room in that way.

16:10Nick Shook:But they also have they have such a complementary skill set staff like Thomas Brown, who won a Super Bowl with the Rams.

16:17Gregg Rosenthal:Like he's over there now, like he's in the room, too. And these are people who they all have some sort of pocket of experience at this highest level. and I think Seattle on the converse is built that way too with some of the pockets of experience within the staff.

16:33Justin Jefferson:And as Rob Gronkowski told me earlier, sorry, I'll just pick that up off the ground. He thinks he's the best offensive coordinator of all time. So there you go. There's a quote for you.

16:42Gregg Rosenthal:But I love all these guys that are saying that because they're like specifically the best offensive coordinator, specifically, and like, hey, they're valid. And I mean, he's got the chips, right? But it is funny because it's like, you know, Hey, we're in the pocket here with Josh McDaniels.

16:59Jourdan Rodrigue:I love that. Hold that thought on Gronk. We actually are going to feature him in just a minute. Before that, I did want to get your takeaways. It was going to be three takeaways. That was one. Fire off the last two. That's the prevailing one for sure.

17:14Nick Shook:The second one is this team is such an interesting blend of rookies and veterans, and they for some reason have found this, maybe it's a secret sauce or a perfect concoction of balance between the two. You talk to Will Campbell and Jared Wilson, a couple of rookie offensive linemen. They're getting a lot of attention. They man the left side of the line. Of course, it's an easy storyline to follow in this week. And yet they continue to mention how not only that the veterans are important in their development, but how they keep them honest, how they told each of them, you guys are spoiled. You don't understand how hard it is to get here.

17:42Nick Shook:And you're just doing this in year one. And I think that dynamic is very interesting for this team, given the fact that none of them have really been here, save for a handful. I think the Patriots have five and the Seahawks have three players in Super Bowl experience. So the majority of them have not been here, and yet they have enough combined experience and youthful talent that it makes for an interesting blend that I'm very curious to see how it'll match up with the Seahawks on Sunday, who are very similar in some ways.

18:06Jourdan Rodrigue:I, like, look at these two teams, and it really bothers me that I've seen, like, reporters, a couple, like, people that seem to know ball, that seem to like ball, that are like, eh, this Super Bowl's not doing it for me. Nonsense. It's just it feels like there's less. I'm just like I'm having a hard time getting excited for it.

18:30Gregg Rosenthal:It's two of the most interesting, like truly interesting, the way they're built, the pivots in some cases, the infrastructure, the organizational infrastructure. It's two of the most interesting teams in football this season.

18:40Jourdan Rodrigue:Do you even like ball? Because Seattle, we're going to get one more point on the Patriots, and obviously. No, let's let this fly. We've talked a lot about Patriots. But if you look at where Seattle was and the way that they've built their team through these draft picks and free agency and the trades and the way that they play defense where they are the cutting edge and obviously Darnold's story and an electric first-team All-Pro in JSA. I just, I don't get it. I love a little, I mean, what, you want the Eagles and the Chiefs again? Exactly.

19:18Justin Jefferson:Let's not forget the biggest story on the other side of the pond, which is defensive coordinator Adam Durdy, the first Brits to coach in a Super Bowl. So, yeah, just got to get in there. We had some time with him on Monday, and he's sensational. I think he's going to be a head coach in two years. I'm so happy you did. I'm happy you brought him up.

19:33Gregg Rosenthal:You know what was really cool, Will? You'll love this. So the London Warriors, the football team, the British football team that he kind of came up around, F.A. Obata is a product of the London Warriors.

19:46Jourdan Rodrigue:My guys.

19:47Gregg Rosenthal:Half of the team, so they're all still, a lot of those guys are all still friends with each other. Half of that team and coaching staff and organization, quote unquote, because it's a little more on the casual side, no disrespect meant, came over to the States to that Seattle Rams game at SoFi Stadium to support Add and Dirty. It was the coolest thing. I love it. I love his story. He's a great coach. Coaches I talk to on that staff are so high on him to be a future head coach. I'm excited for him.

20:19Nick Shook:And if you want to say, you know, do you even love Ball, the people that say the Super Bowl lacks juice? You just mentioned the Seahawks defense. They are on the cutting edge. They bring up a blueprint that every other team is going to try to mimic in the years to come, but you need personnel to make it work. That matchup against Josh McDaniels, a guy who all these players just said is one of the best, if not the best offensive coordinator. How can you not like that alone? Yes. Come on.

20:40Jourdan Rodrigue:Now I just feel like a shell. This is the meme. This is Mike McDonald.

20:46Gregg Rosenthal:This is the meme. It's the Grim Reaper going down the hallway of doors. It's Kyle Shanahan. It's Sean McVay. Now it's Josh McDaniels coming up. The offensive scheme lords. Mike McDonald's coming for them all.

21:01Jourdan Rodrigue:I like that. But what you missed there is Zach Kerr has his own. And everyone's like, who's Zach Kerr? And he's crossing off quarterbacks. And Sam Darnold, unlike the last couple, I like this new theory we're throwing out there that, you know, he was so familiar with the NFC West teams that this will, you know, that he got comfortable, that his eyes got a little faster in a positive way. Let's hit, you know, speaking of, you know, all time great coaches, Nathaniel Hackett's back in the league. He's the offensive coordinator of the Cardinals. Just quick, just quickly. I got you guys with that one.

21:35Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, I was like, you had me in the first half. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, interesting. So, okay, so a lot of times when a head coach is going to be a play caller, Michael LaFleur has said he's going to be a play caller. On its face, obviously, this is a very eyebrow-raising hire because Nathaniel—

21:48Jourdan Rodrigue:He's with the Cardinals if I didn't say that. My fault.

21:50Gregg Rosenthal:As the offensive coordinator. And Nathaniel Hackett was obviously a complete disaster as a head coach. But part of the reason he became beloved to play-calling head coaches, including Matt LaFleur, Mike LaFleur's brother, is because there's a lot of stuff that the play caller as a head coach cannot do. infrastructurally and in install and in meetings and all these types of things. Just can't do it. It has to be in all other parts of the building. You hire someone with experience doing sort of that secondary work like that. To me, that's what this hire looks like. If you go below the surface of it, not saying it's a good idea necessarily, but I can understand the process behind it.

22:30Justin Jefferson:And hey, maybe Aaron Rodgers becomes an Arizona carpool now. Perfect.

22:33Jourdan Rodrigue:It also doesn't change the vibe of like, hey, we were the 10th team to hire a head coach, that he wasn't one of our top three or four picks, and that he's not getting his top pick. So I hope they're able to change that around. Frank Reich becoming the offensive coordinator in New York with the Jets has a similar type of vibe. Now, Frank Reich has some great years running offenses in the NFL, and they weren't that long ago. But his last couple of years, Carolina and with the Colts, did not go well. He's familiar with Aaron Glenn.

23:06Gregg Rosenthal:well back then that's it i'm not even counting that recent for a recent that's a tricky one

23:12Jourdan Rodrigue:um so good luck to that man and uh the washington post i did want to just mention how heartbroken we are about them basically shuttering their sports pages i i hate that a frequent guest to sean reed had just gone there to cover the commanders but you could just list so many great uh sports writers and columnists over the years that have worked for that paper and it's just horrible uh what they did there before we let you go though

23:38Justin Jefferson:will sorry i'd like i absolutely agree with i absolutely agree with everything you said there and it was an important and somber moment but the whole way through it there was a dancing dog directly behind you doing routines and uh that's the most radio row moment of my entire week

23:52Jourdan Rodrigue:the duality of man somebody from dog stay focused stay focused well we're about to uh give you some pop and I know how you love pop. So you mentioned Gronk earlier. He will be featured actually in this little clip that our great producer, Eric Roberts, clipped months ago, just hoping for the moment when it would come in handy. And now that moment has come. Will, who's been calling these games for TalkSport and he's gotten some attention for it.

24:24Justin Jefferson:We are underreacting to the emergence of the next great voice in play-by-play. And I'm very sad that the international slate is over for 2025. I need more Will Gavin in my life. CBS, Fox, Westwood One, ESPN, Netflix, YouTube, whoever it is, please make a call to the UK and scoop him up. Bring him here. Gronk is on the show. We're going to talk. You know some people at Fox? Call him up. Maybe give him a couple reps. That was an incredible call. Will Gavin, where are you? Well Gavin. Well Gavin. Just that.

25:01Gregg Rosenthal:We're having some Gavin now.

25:03Jourdan Rodrigue:So, would you like to know the worst part about that clip? What? That you play it to yourself every morning when you wake up? Is it your alarm?

25:11Justin Jefferson:So much worse than that. It's my ringtone. Oh! No! It's not actually my ringtone. Look at Greg. So what happened was my buddy. Wait, the Will Gavin where are you part? Yeah, so my buddy joked about me setting it as my ringtone. So what I did was I did send it to my ringtone and then got my wife to ring me while I was with him so he'd think I'd actually done it. Totally forgot about it. I work in radio, so my phone's on mute all the time. And then I had Bluetooth headphones and was listening to, funnily enough, NFL Daily. And suddenly in my eyes it went, Will Gavin, where are you, Will Gavin? Because I hadn't changed it back off again.

25:44Justin Jefferson:And so for a period of time it was my ringtone. You're our only hope.

25:47Jourdan Rodrigue:Amazing. Will Gavin, where are you, Will Gavin? Oh, God. What a come up and well-deserved and can't wait for Sunday's Super Bowl 60. I'll be with Will on TalkSport. Will, of course, myself, Jordan, and Nick be doing a post-game recap on NFL Daily. But we have so much coming up all week long before that happens, including one of the best receivers to come in the NFL since I've been covering it. I don't think it's too early to already start calling him a future Hall of Famer, but I'm not going to do that to his face because I think that's weird. But I did the numbers for the whole top 25 of the last 25 years.

26:26Jourdan Rodrigue:If it had been one year later, Justin Jefferson would have already made that list. He has a better resume than plenty of Hall of Famers out there anyways. It's going to happen. Stay tuned right after the break. Myself and Mr. Shook talking to Justin Jefferson.

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31:26Jourdan Rodrigue:Thrilled to be joined by Justin Jefferson. I said it before we threw the break, but I might as well One of the best players to enter the NFL since I've been covering the league, which is now coming up on a couple of decades. He is here representing EA Sports alongside Nick Chook, who often represents EA Sports, too. Works for him. I don't know if you guys know, you both work for EA Sports. On a much, much smaller stage.

31:52Brandon Graham:What's going on, Justin? Not much, man. Just, you know, just trying to absorb all of this energy that's in here today. Of course, you know, being here on business, socializing, shaking hands, and just being a part of this Super Bowl experience for this week. Of course, I would like to be on the other side of things and preparing for a game. But, you know, it is what it is. But it's definitely great to be here.

32:18Jourdan Rodrigue:Your sunglasses, do you find, like, it's almost easier? Because it's a lot here at Radio Row. It, like, provides, like, a little bit of a barrier between yourself and everyone. Oh, 100%.

32:28Brandon Graham:And that's one of the main reasons why I like to wear shades. It just kind of puts me in my own little bubble, kind of like allow everybody to be outside of that bubble that I feel like. So it just feels like I'm kind of hitting a little bit, which I'm really not. But, you know, just, of course, the fashion style, the color of them, the way they look also gives off the stage. Plus, nobody knows your next move. No. They have no idea where you're looking. Exactly. It's like wearing a visor on the field. Exactly. I love that. I love it.

32:57Jourdan Rodrigue:that's why I wish I was better at football because like I can't pull that off you have to honestly like even the number three receiver on your team like no no offense like he can't pull that off either you got to be Justin Jefferson hey I could agree to that one thing I really appreciate and I've watched you and even though you come into the league obviously ahead of where most rookies are coming into the league I think you've added a lot to your game uh throughout throughout your course of your career. I got to watch you twice this year because I was overseas. I saw both your games overseas in Dublin and the UK.

33:31Jourdan Rodrigue:And I have my thoughts, but I want to hear from you. What do you think you're better at now specifically than you were even, let's say, two years ago at playing the position?

33:41Brandon Graham:I would say learning my leverages, learning that, especially getting double teamed and triple teamed out there. You kind of got to understand more of the game, more of the way they are playing you, understanding the routes and how you can win on different routes, I can say. So it's been different these last two years based on how I've just been getting covered. But, you know, of course, before then, it was more one-on-one coverages, me just going out there and just running off of one person and getting open. Now just having to really dissect the defense, understanding where I'm going to be at on the field, where the quarterback wants me to be at on that field.

34:23Brandon Graham:And I got to get there having to go through a couple more different people. So it's just more about learning the game more than what I do. And then, of course, besides football, I got to lean more into being a leader, more into being a captain of the team, especially based on this past season.

34:41Nick Shook:There's a lot of different ways you can take with that, right? Because, like, first off, how does that affect your offseason training? But then you think about being a leader, you have a change in quarterback. You kind of need to be the veteran in that room when you were once the up and coming youngster. Now you're proven. So, like, how does that affect the way you approach the entire season starting with the offseason?

34:58Brandon Graham:Yeah, I mean, the offseason is where, you know, you kind of get in your tricks, your bag of tricks, and you're trying to figure out the different things that kind of that can kind of get you over that hump. And this year is all about just, of course, locking in with with JJ and just understanding that we got a lot of work to do. And we got a place that we would like to go. And the only way is to get there is to put in the extra work when no one's when no one's watching, when no one is keeping an eye over us, that we're building that connection, building that relationship with each other. So whenever it's time to go back into that building, you know, we're not starting off, you know, all fresh again.

35:36Brandon Graham:Right. You know, we're going back to the amount of work that we put in throughout the whole entire offseason. Now we have probably the longest offseason in the history of sports with all of the different like with months of training, months of just having free time. So it's definitely going to be a long process into working with him and getting to where we would like to go. That's kind of a good thing, though, right?

35:59Nick Shook:Like the amount of time, because like, I mean, we can all be honest. Like there was it was a frustrating season because and you could just tell you guys hadn't played together.

36:05Brandon Graham:The amount of time probably is good for you, right? Great. Great. And that allows us to kind of not really be in front of coaches, not really be in front of media and all of this. We can just kind of work on the things that we need to work on ourselves. And, of course, we can talk to each other about the different things that I see, the different things that he can see. We can kind of mix that all together and to really, you know, put a plan together into, you know, our routine of working together and running routes. And then, of course, mentally, it's a big mental focus to have this mental right as well, especially off this past season or all the different negative comments.

36:43Brandon Graham:You know, is he going to be the quarterback? You know, a lot of different things circulate around him that a lot of people are not thinking of. You know, they're thinking of about their shoes, not really about in his shoes. So as a young player, as a quarterback in this league, it's my job to make sure that mentally he's mentally focused. And, of course, physically getting him to where we need to get to so we don't have this type of season next year.

37:10Jourdan Rodrigue:And, of course, you had that season with Sam Darnold. What is that like getting to see him on this stage? And what was it like playing with him?

37:19Brandon Graham:It's pretty fire to see him on this stage, honestly. I mean, to build that connection with him from, you know, training camp all the way into the end of that season and to see him win 14 games and be a valuable threat into our 14 games with you, too.

37:34Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

37:35Brandon Graham:This is very difficult to do. So for him to be able to do that back to back seasons is it's crazy, honestly. But I'm happy for him. I love to see Sam blossom into that top tier quarterback that he was meant to be. You know, him being a first round draft pick, him going to so many different teams, really not understanding or figuring out what the problem is. Him coming to Minnesota, having a couple more weapons around him than normal. Him, you know, being that top tier quarterback that we knew he was going to be. And then, of course, doubling back with his consistency and having another great season as well.

38:12Brandon Graham:And I got him to win the Super Bowl. So hopefully him in, well, not in the journey, but to continue the journey, the journey off with the Super Bowl win is going to be big time for him.

38:23Nick Shook:So let's go back to that real quick. You said watching him become the top tier quarterback that you knew he could be. When, when you guys were playing together, did you know that he could be a top tier quarterback?

38:31Brandon Graham:Really just us being around, you know, of course, he has the TJ Hawkinson. He has me. He had Aaron Jones, Jordan Addison, you know, so many different guys around that office that he can really lean on to. really blossom as a top-tier quarterback. So it was just mostly all about not turning over the ball. As long as you don't turn over the ball, you allow us to make those plays and to catch the ball in space and to go to work, then we're going to win the game majority of the time. And I felt like that was the main objective last year when we had him. And, of course, watching him this year, I feel like it's the same type of ordeal.

39:11Brandon Graham:You know, he has top-tier guys around him in that offense. He has a great offensive line, has a great offensive coordinator to really put him in different positions to win. It's just all about him going out there, taking control of the ball, not giving the ball to the other team. Then they're going to mostly win, and I feel like that's what's been the makeup of this whole entire season.

39:31Jourdan Rodrigue:I saw at this Roger Goodell press conference this week that he said that he's heard from a lot of players that they like playing overseas because they like being ambassadors. to the NFL. And I saw some players reacting to that, but I thought since we got you, you were there for two weeks.

39:49Jaxson Dart:Yeah.

39:49Jourdan Rodrigue:What are your thoughts? Because you were on a little road trip there in the middle of the season.

39:53Brandon Graham:Definitely a road trip. What was that like? It was different, I would say. I mean, obviously we're not, during the season, you're not really prepared, I would say, to be there for 10 days, to be in one country and having to fly to another. I did the same and I wasn't prepared and I was just watching you. It's different. Of course, we got to prepare for a game. Of course, our sleep routine is different. Diet is different. They have different food over there. So everything is a little bit different. So you're just trying to do as much as possible to feel as normal as possible when it's game time.

40:30Brandon Graham:But obviously, it never will feel normal. But I do enjoy being in a different environment, playing for a different fan base. I mean, probably 90 % of those fans never seen me play. And, of course, I played three times now in London. So the fan base is continuing to grow, but there's always going to be fans there that never experienced you or seen you play this game of football. So that's the exciting part about it.

40:58Nick Shook:Obviously, it's a regular season game, but did it feel like it took on more importance because of what you just described?

41:03Brandon Graham:Yeah. Of course, you know, it's a, first of all, an eight to nine hour trip. And then, of course, you got to get on another plane to fly to another country. So it was a difference.

41:15Jourdan Rodrigue:I was behind you guys in security going from Dublin to London. And I was like, I didn't know they were just going to be among the common folks like us. Regular in the airport. Where are the charter flights? They were just there. I think it was your guy, Jalen Naylor, was right in front of the line.

41:29Brandon Graham:You know, we didn't have a big enough PJ to fly over. The owners didn't have a big enough PJ, so we had to fly commercial. But I mean, it was a great experience. I love just being in that different environment, meeting new people and playing in front of a new fan base. But, you know, just the travel, the food, a lot of things go into it that, you know, a lot of people don't really understand.

41:53Jourdan Rodrigue:Before we let you go, you're here with Madden and EA. You good? Like, my son's a player. He's always searching for games and sometimes it'll be like some crazy, like, would you play a game with him? You know, like, are you good?

42:07Brandon Graham:I'm good, for sure.

42:08Jourdan Rodrigue:Are you better than Nick? This guy's a pro. He, like, writes about it and stuff. I'm not a pro, but I am very much in the video game space.

42:14Nick Shook:I mean, I am not like the guys in the MCS, let's be honest.

42:18Brandon Graham:I think I'll do good enough. You know, I think, I mean, of course, I know football. I know the offense. I know route concepts. I was a quarterback growing up, so I kind of know the ins and outs of Madden. You might get me on the defense. You know what I'm saying? I'm not too fond of defense. Who do you play as?

42:35Jourdan Rodrigue:Are you always yourself?

42:37Brandon Graham:100%. Okay. If you would tell me, if you were a 99 overall in the game, without you having to switch any ratings, why wouldn't you play with yourself? I mean, you're living the dream, number one. That's always a childhood dream to be a 99 in a video game without having to touch anything.

42:55Nick Shook:Yeah. How about your defense, though? Who are you usering during the game? Don't tell me you're playing on the D-line. Don't tell me you're playing on the D-line. No, I'm not a D-lineman.

43:02Brandon Graham:Okay, good. I'm a linebacker. Good. I like to manage the middle of the field. Of course. Lurk. Yeah, exactly. I feel like most people throw in the middle of the field. You know, the crossers, mesh routes. I'm going to bait you. You know what I'm saying? So I'll play linebacker. I'm a linebacker.

43:17Nick Shook:Or I'll play nickel. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, playing the slot. Yeah, because you know those route concepts. You know what that cut's going to look like. It might be a video game, but you got the instinct. Exactly. I'm telling you.

43:26Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm with you. This is how we get Justin Jefferson to perk up. Talking about Madden. We appreciate the time. And we've enjoyed watching you over the years, certainly this year overseas. Thanks again.

43:37Brandon Graham:Yes, sir. Thank you.

43:41Jourdan Rodrigue:We are back on NFL Daily. And there's nothing better when we're welcoming a guest like Mac Jones than to hear right before we start taping that he's already heard from his mom and dad that we're fans of his. So I was like, hold that. I want that on. You're on the good side. You're on the good side.

44:01Gregg Rosenthal:Greg goes, stop talking. Stop talking. Wait until the mics are hot. That's good PR.

44:05Jourdan Rodrigue:It's cool to have like a normal human interaction, but let's get this on the show. Normal human interaction. Yeah, tell us more about that. Your mom and dad are checking out.

44:14Mac Jones:I mean, yeah, they just – I don't really do social media as much during the year. So they always like send me articles that are positive. And they're like, hey, keep doing a good job. And I remember seeing one of y 'all. So I thought it was cool.

44:24Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, we are – we've talked about you a lot this year. Thank you. Because you kind of were leading the crowd here in the year of the backup quarterback. quote unquote, I know you started, but the work that you did in San Francisco to kind of will that team through some of its harder moments. And I covered the game in Rams, San Francisco. You got the, you know what beat out of you, but you still kept coming. What that whole period of time to kind of gut your way through what that was and play some really good ball. What was that like for you?

44:57Mac Jones:For sure. I think it's just the standard that's been set in San Francisco. And It was so cool coming in OTAs, learning from everybody, learning from Christian, Trent, George, like these guys that are going to be Hall of Famers. And I don't know, I just wanted to show my toughness this year and show that I'm ready to play. That's your job as a backup. And I feel like we play with a lot of juice and energy every game, but especially, you know, when I was in there trying to just sling it around and like the Rams game probably was being a little dramatic. There was definitely some injuries. So, you know what, I didn't say it.

45:23Gregg Rosenthal:I mean, you got the crap kicked out of you at times. Well, I had multiple. Wait, what do you mean? It was a little dramatic.

45:29Mac Jones:What do you mean? There was some puking.

45:31Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, yeah. There was some dry heaving. That one was real.

45:33Mac Jones:But I had multiple systems that were not doing the right thing. So I was like cramping and I had my knee.

45:40Jourdan Rodrigue:And then I was like, all right, there's a lot going on here. Do you feel bad at all for like hurting Jordan's feelings? Because deep down, she's kind of a Rams fan. Yeah, I saw that. As is like my wife and my daughter. They're watching that game. And you ripped their hearts out that night.

45:58Mac Jones:Yeah. Yeah, that was, I mean, they're a great team, though, and playing them twice this year was a huge challenge for me, and just so early in the year, and then I played them again the second time, but they're incredible, and Matthew Stafford's playing great ball, and their defense is playing great, so huge challenge each game, and we split one-on-one with them, but I feel like they're a really good football team.

46:15Gregg Rosenthal:Are you just saying that to protect my feelings right now? Yeah, I mean, I guess so. Off air, well, if you want to come to the good side, you can come to the good side. You know, covering Kyle Shanahan for a long time is something I've done, and I was at training camp and I was watching you take reps. And what I've always liked about your game and the way you play is you take no crap from anybody. Yeah. And you're going to throw the ball where you want it. Like, you're going to go for it, right? Yeah. You are not afraid.

46:44Nick Shook:For sure.

46:44Gregg Rosenthal:And they had some rookie DBs in. And, you know, you are getting in their faces just as much. And I watched it. I was like, oh, yeah, Mac Jones is back. Yeah, there you go. You know what I mean? Like, I had that thought where I was like, oh, cool. Like, he's still the same. What was it like being kind of a veteran with a lot of really good experience, but then going in and like the juice of that defense and just the playing free, that team came in with very little external, at least, expectations. And everyone grew up along the way.

47:12Mac Jones:Yeah, I think I just really challenged myself to play with that confidence from the start, first practice of OTAs and then training camp, like you're talking about. And I feel like every day was so intense. You know, in other teams, sometimes there's days where it's like the dog days of camp, right? But I feel like in San Francisco, it was just always like we were going at it every day for the whole season. And that's what makes you play good football for a long time.

47:32Gregg Rosenthal:So I think it was Upton Stout. He was talking to you. I'm sure.

47:36Mac Jones:Yeah, I talk to those guys. And like when I'm on scout team, it's I'm talking every day and hopefully backing it up.

47:41Jourdan Rodrigue:But you've always you've always liked to talk on the field. Like that was what the reporters were writing when you were a rookie in New England and second year.

47:51Gregg Rosenthal:Like, yeah, let's pause for a second. you should know if you don't already Patriots fan. Yeah. Not that's fair. No, that's fine. That's fine.

47:58Jourdan Rodrigue:No, that's, I mean, it's, I was a big supporter. I, I want to know though, like what does a Mac Jones trash talk sound like?

48:06Mac Jones:Um, it's very natural. I think I don't like plan anything. So if something pops up in the game, like I'll say something and,

48:12Jourdan Rodrigue:but in practice too, like you're going to let him know about it.

48:15Mac Jones:Absolutely. It makes it fun. And like, it raises the tempo of the practice and I'm not like obnoxious about it. Maybe I used to be, but I'm more chill now. And I'm just out there throwing it to the open guys. And I'm going to let them know if I made a good play or one of our receivers made a good play. They're going to hear about it for sure.

48:30Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that's important. I'm a parent. I tell my kids that, too, when you're playing sports. You have to let the opponent know that you just won to really make sure that they know it. No, no, no.

48:42Mac Jones:Yeah, it's really in a respectful way. But yeah, it's definitely true.

48:45Gregg Rosenthal:Oh, I love that. What did you love about playing in that system? It gets talked about across the league. I myself yap way too much about it constantly. Our listeners definitely let me know about that. But just the differences, the nuances that you see in that versus what you maybe were used to before, not comparing good, bad, or the other, but just the nuances that maybe the outside does not see.

49:07Mac Jones:Yeah, for sure. And I had some experience in college running a similar system, but this is like the PhD level, like Kyle Shanahan, 20-word play calls. And for me to just come in, I was like, I'm going to be like a rookie this year and just learn everything from scratch. I obviously had a lot of background with multiple coordinators from college and Patriots and Jaguars. So I'm trying to just learn everything from Kyle this year from a fresh start. And it's very like cookie cutter, just kind of how I am. I'm very like a like one, two, three, four type guy, you know, like that's my read.

49:35Gregg Rosenthal:I don't know that I would have said cookie cutter. I get what you're saying. Yeah, I like passing. Exactly.

49:40Mac Jones:It doesn't like allow you to like freelance and make stuff up because you have rules. And once you follow your rules, you know that. All right, I'm going to have consistency in my play. And I think that's what you saw this year and what I learned the most was if I just stick to my rules, what they've taught me with my footwork and timing, like it'll be more consistent. It was. That raises a point because I'd like you to explain that when it comes to the Shanahan offense that you learned

50:02Jourdan Rodrigue:and the differences between that sort of offense and Josh McDaniels here in the Super Bowl. For sure. For like an average football fan who doesn't necessarily even know what progression passing is. Yeah, I can give you the breakdown. Because I know sort of what's the biggest top-level stuff between a Kyle's A &M system and a Josh McDaniels team?

50:22Mac Jones:Yeah, that's a great question. So Josh's Earnhardt Perkins system, so they've been running that for a long time. And Tom Brady obviously executed at the highest level, and they kind of mended it to their flavor. And one of the big things in that offense is making mic points. And so every time you get up to the line of scrimmage, you have to make a mic point to tell the line where to go, which really you're directing all the traffic, right? And Drake's done a good job of that this year. when I watch tape, like it's tough. You have a lot on your plate before the snap even starts. And with Kyle, one of his big things is the opposite.

50:51Mac Jones:Like it's more, you know what your issues are, but you're not really going to change anything. You're kind of just going to go out there and play. And for me, and as a guy who's played in a system where I could change everything my whole career pretty much, it was different. And I really liked it because I knew what my issues were, but I also had a system and it was just a lot less on my plate.

51:08Gregg Rosenthal:I feel like the thing that's often getting lost in this conversation too is those coaches and Josh McDaniels is also excellent at this. It's part of why his system still carries as it does. But in terms of that coaching tree, that family, quote unquote, what I think a lot of people miss in this is that they understand defensive rules, and especially in zoning defenses, so well, that that is why they are able to give you progression-based passing rules because they're breaking the defense's rules with what they're giving you. Can you maybe expand a little bit more on that?

51:40Mac Jones:Yeah, for sure. I mean, Josh taught me so much about that, too. And when we were together in New England, that was the first thing we did was learn defense. That helped me throughout my career, and I'm thankful for that. But with Kyle, it's the same thing. He literally knows exactly what they're doing. It's just a matter of, like you said, if one is open, you're throwing one. Like, there is no – they can play cover two. They can play blitz zero. Like, if a number one is open, I'm throwing it. And in my career, sometimes you might be overthinking that. Like, well, is he really going to be open versus coverage?

52:06Mac Jones:You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I'm very blessed to be in the system this year because it allowed me just to be that, all right, one is there, I'm throwing it. If he's not, I'm moving on.

52:14Jourdan Rodrigue:You sound like you like being in that system. Yeah. You're going to be talked about on shows like this. We've already talked about it. Good things. I'm talking about lists of possible teams who might be looking for quarterbacks this offseason. Obviously, you're under contract, or maybe it's not obviously, but the listeners should know you're under contract next year with the 49ers. as their backup. I'm sure they value that really highly. If other teams do come calling and aggressively want to get you, do you welcome a trade?

52:50Mac Jones:Yeah, I think it's always a blessing to have people discussing those things. And for me, I did sign a two-year deal and really love working with Kyle. So I kind of know where I'm at with it. And we've had good conversations and I feel good about where I'm at. So I understand it's a business and there's things that happen. But But I think when you turn on the tape, like the proof is in the pudding. So all I want to do is play good football. And whether that's a backup or a starter to me, like that's the whole point is to play good. So don't worry about all the external stuff.

53:16Gregg Rosenthal:It's refreshing. And I think we all know when we see it when you play that, you know, you can start. Yeah, of course. But like there's something to be said for being happy, too. Yeah. Like I feel like that's missed a lot.

53:28Mac Jones:I think both can be possible. Yeah, we love saying that on the show.

53:31Gregg Rosenthal:Both things are true at the same time. For sure. But, like, that's, I mean, the strain of kind of the early years and figuring out what this league was all about. Yeah. And then coming to something different, similar in a lot of ways, but different, and then seeing more of the world open up to you. Yeah. What's that been like for you? It's been good.

53:49Mac Jones:I think when you get, you know, as a rookie, I was thrown in there and starting right away, which was awesome for me. And we went to the playoffs and had a lot of success. So that was amazing, and I wanted to keep doing that and stacking. and I don't know, being a backup now and having started a lot of games too, like it's good to just get both perspectives and I've done it and I've gone through a whole season. I've played half seasons. I've played, you know, quarter seasons. So it's just like every year is new for me and I just love the challenge, but I know what I would be getting myself into.

54:15Mac Jones:Like this year, that's why I feel like I was just like, all right, well, here we go. I'm starting. I know I'm going to have a couple games here and I've done this, you know, 60 times or whatever. And like, it's not my first rodeo.

54:24Jourdan Rodrigue:So I got in trouble on the old podcast. They thought it was like the hottest take ever that I remember. I said I would not trade you for Russell Wilson straight up. This was like 2020, which was like a little bit of more of a hot take. I think history has proven me proven me right. So Sam Darnold kind of, you know, he went to San Francisco. He was a backup. He's he's showing you one route where it can it can really work out. And he stayed sort of in this similar system. And this is a team that beat you twice. and they're going up against the Patriots who don't have a lot of the players from back when you were there, but they have a few.

55:00Jourdan Rodrigue:They certainly have some. McDaniels, of course. It makes me think who you're rooting for.

55:06Mac Jones:I knew this one was coming.

55:08Gregg Rosenthal:How many times have you been asked this?

55:10Mac Jones:A decent amount. I haven't really put too much thought into it. When it's your division rival and former team, I do have friends on the team. I literally just saw Mondre Stevenson yesterday at dinner. We always text throughout the year. So I love those guys, Hunter Henry, guys that I played with, and I really want them to do well. So I don't know. I don't have too much of an opinion. I'm not going to pick a team. Like, yeah, you have people.

55:32Jourdan Rodrigue:Perfect for the show. I never pick either.

55:33Mac Jones:Yeah, but I love, like, Josh, and there's people, like, the video staff.

55:36Jourdan Rodrigue:How can you not be happy for people that you're close with doing well? On the other hand, there's probably a lot of mass holes. You don't want to see them get happy.

55:43Mac Jones:No, I mean, if they win it, good for them, and that's awesome.

55:46Gregg Rosenthal:Max, before we let you go, we're so appreciative of your time. Yeah. I mean, your parents are a fan of the show. We're just going to assume here. We're putting words in your mouth at this point. But they must have then heard our favorite. It's a sound drop, basically a moment on the show that our producers, that one of us has said that our producers collect and record and then drop it, sprinkle it into conversations. You are actually the most popular sound drop of the season for NFL Daily. Wow. We want you to listen to this probably for the first time. Our favorite drop.

56:22Jourdan Rodrigue:All right, let's hear it. Wow. Mac Jones, baby. It's very quick. I like that. It's very quick. It needs to be my new ringtone. Just whenever. Just repeat. Whenever a good moment happens in your life, like you have a good grocery store trip. Mac Jones, baby. You know, just say that.

56:37Mac Jones:That's awesome. You got to send me that one. I like that. We will.

56:41Jourdan Rodrigue:We appreciate having you on Mac. And good luck to you. Thank you. Whatever happens this offseason, we'll be watching and appreciate having you on.

56:51Mac Jones:Thank you so much. Thanks, Pat. All right.

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1:01:28Jourdan Rodrigue:And we are back on NFL Daily. We are here with Jaxson Dart of the New York Giants Pepsi Zero Sugar NFL Rookie of the Year nominee. This is not really fair to you, but I don't know if you remember this. You were actually in the room at NFL Network watching, I believe, Ravens Chiefs divisional round. You were there with your father. You were visiting, I think, with Daniel Jeremiah and just seeing, like, what was going around. I was watching that game with you, actually. I was in that, you know, theater. Yeah. I want to go back to that day and that Jackson and then think about this Jackson being the quarterback of the New York Giants and going through a year like that.

1:02:15Jourdan Rodrigue:That can age you like a president. Like, what is the difference between that Jackson and that was what in January of last year and this Jackson that's sitting here on Radio Row?

1:02:24Jaxson Dart:You know, that's crazy to look back on. Feels like a long time ago. Feels like forever ago. It's a key moment in Greg's life, clearly. Yeah, it was big. It was big. It was big. It was big. It was big. It was big. It was big for sure. I feel like this last year, I feel like I've grown like three years into one. You know, that rookie year, you're just kind of going from one thing to the next, and there's no time off. So it's definitely been a whirlwind of a year, but I think, you know, from that Jackson to this one, like I think I've just matured a ton, you know, individually from an identity standpoint, but also as a football player, like went through a ton of adversity, but also had, you know, successes as well.

1:02:57Jaxson Dart:So there was a lot of lessons to learn and to grow from. And I'm just really excited for this future.

1:03:02Gregg Rosenthal:Jackson, it can be difficult for any person coming of age through their 20s to like figure out who they are and become more of that person and lean into their identity and to do it on such a stage. I mean, as the quarterback for the New York Giants and And somebody who is, you know, playing, you know, in these games where everyone's watching you. How did you, we saw your personality come out. Whether it's in the end zone or with Cam, with Scadaboo or with your teammates, your fellow quarterbacks.

1:03:31Jourdan Rodrigue:Like the jackets. Yeah.

1:03:32Gregg Rosenthal:Strong jacket game. Strong jacket game. My group chat would like me to tell you that. Strong jacket game. Yeah. But, you know, you showed who you were. And I think the fan base really appreciated that. It could be scary, I think. But you really kind of leaned into it. And what was that process like for you just as a person growing into that job?

1:03:50Jaxson Dart:Yeah, first of all, I'm just so thankful. And I'm grateful to have the people that are around me and support me. I wouldn't be here without that. And, you know, it's been a dream of mine since I was a little kid to be, you know, at this point. And just going to continue to grow. But I'm definitely humbled by it. I think just in New York, like, you have to mature fast. You know, you have to, you know, be on your P's and Q's. and to be a leader, especially with the position that we're in. And I just think for me, like what a great opportunity for me to do my best to just be a really good person and to be there for others and to be the best leader that I can be.

1:04:29Jourdan Rodrigue:I went through my notes. It's rare that I do like this much homework. No, I was on the flight here going through some notes, decided to look at like my game notes of the Giants. And I have a few things I want to get to. But one of the things which I was like, I want to ask them about that, was your cadence. I'm a big cadence guy. Like you've got a nice, there's some bass to it. It's very loud. Like the mics really pick it up. Do you take pride in the cadence? What's the thought process? And do you want to be like one of the best guys in terms of cadence in the NFL?

1:04:59Jaxson Dart:Yeah. You know, it's crazy is a lot of people didn't think I was going to be able to do a cadence, you know, from like, I don't know if you've seen the John Gruden. Good point. Good point. We have. Didn't even think about that. I was thinking more about that.

1:05:09Gregg Rosenthal:That is a content king right there. He remembers, yes.

1:05:13Jaxson Dart:I definitely remember that because that was a knock. That's where people are like, I don't even know if he can do a cadence. But I definitely take a lot of pride in it. You know, I think that when you look at the best quarterbacks of all time, you know, they had great cadences and being able to, you know, put the defense on their heels as much as possible and give that advantage to the offense because it really is going to turn into a really big advantage. And I had a lot of vets in the room that I was in with Russ and Jameis, and I remember, like, walking into that and I was like, all right, like I got to have a great cadence because these guys got a great cadence.

1:05:40Jourdan Rodrigue:Russ from the beginning. Yeah. It's great. Because some of it also is a little like God given. You got to have, you're like Joe Flacco, all time great. Ryan Tannehill has an all time great one. So I think like you're studying, you know, your play on the field. You got to study the greats when it comes to the cadence. Absolutely. Other notes though. Like, do you feel calm or more calm when you're out of structure and making plays? Because it felt like you were pretty calm right off the bat. Like the first month in the league, you were already like the game didn't seem too fast for you when you were doing that.

1:06:14Jaxson Dart:Well, I think that when you do that, I mean, first of all, there is there is a big difference from college to the NFL. So, you know, going through training camp and OTA is like those are times for me to, you know, make some of those mistakes and to kind of experience those struggles a little bit. You have the valleys and the peaks a little bit that you kind of have to go through. But I think when I got there on the field, like I was just like I said before, I've been surrounded by great people. So from a preparation standpoint, I felt confident. I felt ready. And I think when you're out there, like football is football.

1:06:43Jaxson Dart:So you're just trying to play ball. You're trying to just have fun, just game out there. And a lot of instincts come into play, and you're just flowing. So, yeah, it was definitely really fun to have that experience.

1:06:53Gregg Rosenthal:I think in every other profession, you want to make mistakes early so that you can sort through it. And you're not often in public. Again, in every other profession, you're not being watched by millions and millions of people as you do it. As a quarterback, like mistakes are a part of the growth, right? and you just you mentioned it yourself how do you balance like staying creative with when you're either in structure out of structure with how you want plays to unfold but then knowing that some of them you know are riskier and are not going to work out balancing like the known fact that you're going to make these mistakes yeah and staying free at the same time and still taking steps forward it's like a trifecta that would be really hard to balance i think that's a really good question

1:07:31Jaxson Dart:um i think that like the thing that you have to keep in mind when you're out there on the field like you have to be fearless yeah like it's okay to make a mistake like there's a lot of game left I mean you see it in the NFL like this year like it's been crazy where teams have been down or you know maybe as a quarterback you haven't been playing for a good half of football but in that second half of football somebody plays amazing and the game turns around so there's a lot of football to be played and I think that when you go out there you just have to play fearless and I think that I had a great like a great group of guys around me who you know were okay and kind of instilled my play style to play the way that I play.

1:08:06Jaxson Dart:And I think that we all just played hard. Look, there was a lot of great performances.

1:08:11Jourdan Rodrigue:You know, you come out early, you get wins against the Chargers, playoff team, Eagles. You put up 30 points in Denver, like so close with a lot of great teams. Bears were another one. And you had ups and you had downs in the season. I think you finished strong. You're up for this, you know, rookie of the year nominee. And I kind of thought like because you came out so hot, it almost like people forgot. Have you considered doing some negative campaigning against Tyler Shuck? That like maybe Shuck is getting a little too much pop and didn't even play the whole season.

1:08:46Jaxson Dart:Well, first of all, shout out to Pepsi Zero Sugar. I think just what a cool opportunity for all of us to come together and to be a part of this. To be honest, like, no, I haven't done zero. So, like, I mean, the biggest thing to me that matters is one day hoping up, you know, hopefully more than one Super Bowl trophy. And, you know, that's in my mind from a standpoint of like whatever happens, like it is it is what it is. Like, I feel like, you know, I was able to put out a really good product on display. Like you can just look at the numbers. And I think that that really speaks for itself. So obviously the most important thing is continue to find ways to win.

1:09:23Jaxson Dart:And I know that we're going to do that in the future. But, you know, that's that's really the most important thing to me.

1:09:27Gregg Rosenthal:Is there a moment this year, it could have been a play, and certainly I think of a lot of the ones where you are working at a structure, you're creating crazy things are happening all around you, and you're sort of willing things to happen for your offense. But is there a play that, or even a moment, like behind the scenes, that maybe we would not have seen where you're like, holy crap, man, I'm in the NFL right now?

1:09:49Jaxson Dart:Oh, geez, I feel like there's a few of those for sure. There's times where I'm going there on the field, And I'm looking at guys and I'm like, dang, like you did really good for my fantasy team like four years ago when I was when I was younger.

1:10:02Gregg Rosenthal:That would be you, by the way.

1:10:04Jaxson Dart:Just like being being involved in this game and competing at the highest level is such an honor. And being around like these great players is so cool. I mean, like I said earlier, like part of this, like the Pepsi Zero Sugar, like the rookie stuff, like all those guys are great players and have done amazing things. So I think it's just such an honor to be on the stage with them and compete with everybody at this level.

1:10:22Gregg Rosenthal:I just want to say we we have a streak going, too. We've had the winner on our show every year. Really?

1:10:27Jourdan Rodrigue:Okay, that is good.

1:10:29Gregg Rosenthal:You don't have to say it. I'm just putting it out in the universe. That's all I'm saying.

1:10:32Jourdan Rodrigue:I don't know if we can impact the voters.

1:10:34Jaxson Dart:I don't know how that works. I believe in that. I try to put out, I don't know if you guys saw, I got caught on a mic saying the thing about Harbaugh. Yeah, we saw it.

1:10:43Gregg Rosenthal:Thanks for breaking the news to us. We appreciate that. No doubt.

1:10:46Jaxson Dart:So I didn't know that was going to happen, but I'm with you. Sometimes you just put things out, good energy. Manifest it.

1:10:50Jourdan Rodrigue:Have you talked to Matt Nagy, your new offensive coordinator?

1:10:54Jaxson Dart:Yeah, we have. We've talked a few times. Obviously, it's still really new, and I think it just came out yesterday. So excited to grow this relationship with him. I've heard a ton of really good things from people that I've talked to about him. Just from a cooperation and collaboration as quarterback, offense coordinator, I'm really excited to build this with him.

1:11:11Gregg Rosenthal:He's kind of a magician with concepts out of the gun specifically. We know you love to play out of the gun. You like to see the defense in front of you unfold. I guess, have you allowed your brain to kind of get that far? I know you're so busy right now, but creating and thinking, oh, what could be possible watching maybe some of Mahomes stuff? What could be possible here?

1:11:28Jaxson Dart:Yeah, I love his – I think he has a very intelligent, brilliant mind of just being able to create, you know, cool plays and whatnot. So I'm excited to be a part of, like, an innovative offense in that regard. But at the same time, you know, I've always watched, you know, Pat highlights for a long time and excited to kind of, like, you know, form a little bit of similar things around with Coach Nagy. And I think he's just going to do a great job and have all the confidence in him.

1:11:53Jourdan Rodrigue:And that was one of the things they said, too, about you, that you got to learn a little more under center coming in the pros. That was on the notes, too. The under center was increasing. It was getting better, and it was strong at various points in the season. So it was really cool to see your development this year. Football is just going to be more interesting with the Giants having a fun quarterback to watch. We got that with Jackson Dart. Appreciate having you on. Yeah, thank you guys for taking the time.

1:12:17Jaxson Dart:Really appreciate it.

1:12:18Jourdan Rodrigue:Thanks.

1:12:23Jourdan Rodrigue:back on NFL Daily, and we are excited to be joined by a man who joined us on the field after just winning the previous Super Bowl, Super Bowl 59 hero, Brandon Graham. Oh. And, oh, yeah, Bo Wolf's there, too. I mean, I get to ride the coattails, let's be honest. Yeah, look, Brandon and Bo co-host a podcast for PHLY called the Unblocked Podcast. Bo is the host. And so I thought it'd be fun as a longtime friend, colleague of Bo. I think we're friends. I think we're friends. I would hope so. To make him awkwardly sit here the whole time as we talk to the more interesting part of the duo, Brandon, the whole time.

1:13:08Jourdan Rodrigue:So welcome, Brandon.

1:13:09Justin Jefferson:I appreciate y 'all having us on. We come as a package for sure.

1:13:13Nick Shook:It has been fun walking around with BG. It's kind of how I feel like it must be like for you, Jordan. just anytime you're in LA walking with Greg because he can't take a step without just being mobbed by people who want to take pictures with him and tell him how much BG means to them. It must be just like walking around with Greg.

1:13:30Gregg Rosenthal:That's actually completely true except the reverse because first they have to see Greg. Oh, come on. He's a little, you know, it's similar. I mean, I'm sure you're easy to hide behind Brandon here. That's right. It's a little discrepancy here, I think.

1:13:45Jourdan Rodrigue:Okay. It's okay, Greg. I'm a wee lad. Um, look, how was that? That was crazy. You played football again, uh, this year. I remember we, we talked and, and, um, you said to us, although you weren't ready to officially declare it in the moment, but you were expecting to, to walk away and then, and then he had just retorn the thing that he had come back from in that game. That's a crazy thing. And then you walk back into a pretty wild time as a, as a Philadelphia Eagle, like, and you were podcasting about it at the time. Like, how was that?

1:14:16Justin Jefferson:That was cool, man. It was hard to keep that secret for a while. Cause I was knowing and I found out in August that it was opportunity that might come my way. Uh, of course, you know, Bo knew because we wanted to make sure on the podcast that we, um, you know, that do happen and we do it the right way, coming back, surprise the people. But, uh, yeah, man, I think the hardest part was that trying to trying to hold on to that information because I was excited. Wanted people to know what was going on. But, yeah, it was cool to come back. And my tricep was healed this time. I wasn't all the way there coming back for that Super Bowl, but I wouldn't have changed it for nothing because it was great to be a part of it, get those pictures in uniform.

1:14:57Justin Jefferson:And I got to touch my homes one time, even though it wasn't the same.

1:15:01Gregg Rosenthal:But, hey, it was a pivotal moment, though. We remember it. We talked to you about it. I mean, it's funny just for the listener, like there's so much adrenaline going through the players at the end of those games. So as BG comes up onto the stage with that today, I'm like, you definitely don't remember this. But we talked to you on the field and you had so much adrenaline and like you had you were your family was incredible. And he's like, I'm sure I was. I'm sure it was great. Like all this stuff. You know what I mean? Like you were so polite, but there's no way. I mean, it's it's such like fractions of incredible moments in such rapid fire.

1:15:33Gregg Rosenthal:And I guess when is the time that you sit with it, that you decompress? Like, I accomplished this. And I got through this, first of all. But I also accomplished this monumental thing that I could not wrap my head around it if I were in that position.

1:15:52Justin Jefferson:Well, you know what? You start to really relish in that moment when you're at the parade. You're sitting on top of the bus. everybody's getting ready for like the kickoff of the parade and then we get to get to riding you talking and you looking around and you seeing like man we did it again we did it again this was this was everything and the way we did it like to go i wasn't a part of the 014 but then to play the uh the um patriots against a team where it was a spy gate or 04 it was controversy in that

1:16:25Nick Shook:then you come back eight year anniversary today by the way yeah of that brady strip sack happy

1:16:29Gregg Rosenthal:Happy anniversary, everyone. Oh, yeah. Eight years. Damn, boy. Time fly.

1:16:34Jourdan Rodrigue:But for me, it's like. I still haven't forgiven you for that, by the way. I grew up in Massachusetts. It was hurtful. It was hurtful.

1:16:40Justin Jefferson:You know what? Y 'all came back the next year, so it wasn't that bad. You're fair. Y 'all came back and beat them boys, the Rams, too. Fair. But, yeah, it was so cool to be able to, for one, go against Brady, beat him when he just beat, man. He went to three Super Bowls back to back to back them years. And for him to just beat Atlanta the way they did and for us to have that same type of momentum where the drive is, like they got the last drive and they getting momentum and they've been scoring, man, I was so thankful. So in those moments when I relish in them, it be more so at the parades. It be more so, like, even this year I knew, like, man, this was potentially my last little parade.

1:17:22Justin Jefferson:I'm going out on top. Let me enjoy the moment. Let me enjoy everything, videos, pictures with the kids. because that's what you got to do. You got to take those pictures for those moments because life definitely goes on because it sounded good going out on top until reality hit. And it was like, dang, 2025 season is approaching and I'm still itching.

1:17:43Nick Shook:Well, and I think that's sort of been the interesting thing to watch it from the outside, but to have gone sort of through it next to you is when BG comes back, some Eagles fans are like, oh man, why would you ruin the perfect ending? You went out on top, you had this great ending, You won the Super Bowl. And it's not the perfect ending if he wants to keep playing, right? And he still has that itch. It's up to him, right? It's not about creating the lasting memory.

1:18:09Jourdan Rodrigue:Also, life's short. Life's too short. Once you stop playing, you're never going to arrive.

1:18:14Justin Jefferson:Don't nobody really care about how, like, they just know you're two-time Super Bowl champion. That's it.

1:18:18Nick Shook:And by the way, most efficient sack guy in the NFL this season. Three sacks and, like, 65 pass rush reps. A hype man.

1:18:24Gregg Rosenthal:And you know what? I was going to ask you both the same question, like, the moment for you. Like, do you go through, like, all your old podcasting clips from the season and, like, your articles from the season? You're like, man, I really killed it this year. During the Super Bowl? During the Super Bowl season.

1:18:38Nick Shook:I'll tell you what, I will answer you seriously, even though the question isn't just. When you go into that locker room after the Super Bowl, what does overwhelm you is all the other people, you know, all of the staffers who are either assistant coaches or, you know, like the training staff. and seeing those people get to have the moment of they come to work every single day in service of hoping to get this and to see them get to celebrate you know like the the masseuses or everybody else like the woman who's in charge of the nutrition shakes like yes seeing them get to celebrate that to me is like okay that is that is very cool well while we're here because i want to way to make me feel like an a**hole i love that usually it's usually vice versa it's usually you

1:19:21Jourdan Rodrigue:making me feel that way. I love that for you. Let's actually listen. We have a clip. This is not the one. We also had your kids on the show, which was a great moment. Yeah, yeah, that was great. Happy birthday to his daughter Emerson today. Happy birthday. Happy birthday tomorrow. And I felt daily guest Emerson. Happy birthday. Let's listen to Brandon because this has some application to this Super Bowl right after the game. How about that play by Milton Williams that looks just like your play back in the Super Bowl? Well, Tom Brady's covering it. What do you think?

1:19:51Justin Jefferson:I'm thankful for that boy because him, Sweaty, Nolan, I mean, J.C., even though J.C. took two every play. So he opened up the door for a lot of guys with the one-on-ones, and we just won our matchups today. And very thankful for these guys. Yeah.

1:20:10Jourdan Rodrigue:Milton Williams, like, give me something on Milton Williams. Look at you.

1:20:14Justin Jefferson:Look at you. You took some of them goods.

1:20:16Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah. He's trying to do what we're calling the reverse Chris Long. or the reverse LeGarrette Blount where you go Eagles, Patriots, back to back. He's flipping it on its head. Like, what can you tell me about what it's like playing next to that guy? Because he's a breath of fresh air. Like, not only a Patriot that is that dynamic and is living up to that money, but a Patriot that's a great quote. I mean, it's been a while since we had one of those.

1:20:41Justin Jefferson:Yeah, and I know for him, he is living right. That's how I look at it. Like, man, when you got these glory years right now, Milt, enjoy them because they don't come around for a lot of people. Like, it's a lot of people that played 15 years and they sniffed the Super Bowl because they wasn't on the right team. And so for me, like to him, I would just say enjoy the moment. Make sure you're taking video, taking all the pictures, putting all the work in that you can. It's not just to make it to the Super Bowl, it's to win it. And so for him, I know that from jump, when he first came into our locker room, he's been like the guy that's always had that chip on his shoulder.

1:21:21Justin Jefferson:So always keep that because, you know, nobody gave him nothing. He went out there and he earned it. And so even this year already when he paid him$100 million, I remember people talking like, man, who's this guy we paying$100? And he ain't been no starter. He cut it off the bench. And then he showed why. And so I'm proud of him. But the job is not done. I know he knows that. But y 'all got a stud, and I wish we could have retained him because he would have helped us this year, and we probably would have been playing against y 'all this year. He gave you some props on media night,

1:21:48Nick Shook:said he took a lot of stuff from you to England. The other thing is that reverse LeGarrette-Chris Long thing is interesting because back then Lane talked about, Lane Johnson, they've won those titles, but they don't seem like they're having fun, whereas I would rather win one and have fun. And it seems like that has kind of flipped, whereas now the Patriots are the team on the come-up who are having fun, whereas the Eagles are like, we won, but it's always kind of like dragging through.

1:22:12Jourdan Rodrigue:I listen to Chris Long's show. He is an Eagle. He talks about how great that year was. He pretty much, he's like, yeah, the Patriots year. We won, but it wasn't that fun. Right, exactly. I mean, it was like military style.

1:22:24Justin Jefferson:Military style. Hey, I'm sorry. I mean, he's a great coach, great all that, because they won a bunch of Super Bowls, but did y 'all really have fun? You know what I'm saying? Because when you talk about it. That's where it feels like the Eagles are. Yeah, yeah. That's how I feel. Like, talking about those years, man, they just fly by so fast because of how much fun you're having. So you can see that you can win both ways. But I'd rather win having fun.

1:22:48Gregg Rosenthal:That's an interesting point that you guys both bring up because I've had this question, you know, knowing that you guys do the show together and then, you know, the Eagles have been through some complicated stuff, right? And some of it's very public. I'm sure there's so much more that's nuanced. And it's a building full of human beings with big feelings, right, and a lot of different personalities. And so it's like, how do you, first of all, navigate that? You know, you've been a leader in that team for a long time. But then also, you've got to go on a show and talk about it. So how do you talk about these things in a way that is like nuanced and doesn't give too much away, but makes your point very clear the way that you guys want to convey these things that we hear and see coming out of the building?

1:23:30Nick Shook:Well, go ahead. I'm going to let you. Well, I was just going to say, it is not only that, but the schedule is also a difficulty because, you know, there was a game this year where, it was the game in Green Bay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that night game. The team plane lands at like 3.30 in the morning. He comes straight to the studio to record the podcast that morning. He's falling asleep, like literally falls asleep. Oh, yeah, that will hurt.

1:23:52Gregg Rosenthal:That's a real podcast. That's some real podcast stuff.

1:23:55Nick Shook:This is a guy who is dedicated to the craft. but yeah no I think I think people know that that BG is someone who tells the truth and that's part of why they tune into the show but yeah you are also someone who you're not going to give things away but it is about it is about giving people a little bit of a peek behind the scenes while except for that whole

1:24:13Jourdan Rodrigue:like AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts thing you kind of give that away you know what

1:24:15Justin Jefferson:that one that one was for that one was for just making sure you handling your own business don't involve everybody that's all I was really saying because you know if I got a friendship that I'm trying to protect you can't let everybody in there you know what i'm saying and so that's where that's where it'd be tough because you got to be able to separate the business from the personal and sometimes that's not always easy because you know we both are friends but we want the same thing we want to win it all but we wanted to win it all look in a certain way because that's what the media and everybody say i mean of course jayla hurts he don't care how you win it's just like let's just win and then we'll worry about the other stuff later but i just wanted them to be able to talk about it and not just have everybody all in their mix and so that's really what I was saying but I know that was tough because I took it I owned it and we moved forward in that and I felt like it helped us in a way where everybody you know we end up winning it all and of course this year coming back into it it was tough who's to say you don't win it all if you don't do that I mean you

1:25:14Gregg Rosenthal:don't right I don't know that's my question is because from the outside in it felt like you were sometimes we need a third party in to tell say like guys this is this is what it looks like And it kind of felt like you were doing that in a way that ended up being extremely helpful to the overall. That's just me saying it from the outside.

1:25:32Justin Jefferson:I'm with you because all I want us to do is not have no regrets when we look back on it and say, did we let any we didn't let this little thing block us from where we was trying to go. And of course, it's all about sometimes just having that conversation and people don't know the whole story. I didn't know the whole story. All I know is communication works well when you go to the actual source. And then y 'all work things out and y 'all come in the middle about things. So that's where it was at.

1:25:58Jourdan Rodrigue:So Bo kind of mentioned like maybe you guys were a little in the spot that the Patriots got into where even the winning wasn't always that much fun if it like wasn't the right style. Oh, my goodness. Is that true? Like, is that true from the outset? Because I'm curious, is Philly like, is there actually more drama or is there just more attention? And so the drama all comes out.

1:26:22Justin Jefferson:It's just the attention. I look at it like this. People didn't care. When it come down to the playoffs, okay, all year people wanted style points. But then when it came down to the playoffs, they wouldn't have cared if we had a bad game and still won that game in the end. And, you know, if we had that all the way going to the Super Bowl and won it all, doing it like that, then I think that we can always resort back to say, hey, Philly, we did it like this, and y 'all was complaining, and we still won. So what y 'all got to cry about now? You know what I'm saying? So it's always going to be something to talk about and cry about.

1:26:55Justin Jefferson:But as a leader of the team, you've got to block it out. Because when it comes down to it, if we would have won that game in the 49ers after all the stuff that happened with the offensive stuff, and we'd have won, they wouldn't have worried about it. And we'd have been in the Super Bowl with the coordinator. I mean, you would have had to beat a couple good teams too.

1:27:13Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh, yeah, we had some good ones though.

1:27:14Justin Jefferson:Don't get me wrong. But the defensive side, we was trying to put that on our back for this year. But, man, it don't matter. Their style points don't matter in the playoffs. It's just about winning it. I love this defense.

1:27:26Gregg Rosenthal:I could go on.

1:27:28Nick Shook:The toughness of playing in Philly thing is the thing that I don't think is understood. Is that, yes, the city is very difficult to play in. And they will reward you if you play well. But if you talk to people around the league who have been in that building and then left. Or have what they've heard of it. It is also intense scrutiny in the building from the top down. And that is something that is not the same everywhere else. And it's part of what's made them great. But it is not always the most joyous place to work. Yes. Good answer.

1:27:56Justin Jefferson:Not as far as like players. Not in the locker room. I'm talking about the coaches front office. Because they do have a high standard of how they do things, which I understand. Some stuff you might have to learn and kind of back off a little bit. But how I look at it too, it's like you want to make sure that you just focus when you're supposed to be focused. and I want to have fun when I can have fun. It's like I'm not trying to be serious the whole time. It's like I find my little moments where I can make a coach laugh in a serious situation. And it's like, all right, coach, if this happened again, say he goes off on us on the sideline and then we talk about it in the meeting, even though we won the game.

1:28:36Justin Jefferson:It's like, coach, trust us because it's about trust too because when people are yelling at you sometimes, it's like, do you trust me? Do you trust what we said? It's like we said that we was going to be in a dogfight. I made a mistake, but don't condemn me for it. We're still in the fight. Let's keep working, and we'll figure it out later. And then you find out that what you thought happened in the game didn't happen so bad because maybe you wasn't listening. And I was trying to tell you, but you don't want it to stay as hostile. So one person might take the fall and be like, you know what, Coach, you're right.

1:29:08Justin Jefferson:I'll just take it right now. But then later on, they'll be like, dang, Coach, you was wrong. So you got to be able to own it too because you can't just be throwing that stuff. You got to have accountability in this. And then you got to be a little seasoned in it, too, because it's been moments where I had to take it, even though I knew I was right. I just say, you know what, Coach? I'll let you have your moment right now. All right. And then when you look back on it, I don't say nothing, but unless Coach just don't acknowledge it, then I'm like, Coach, let's get back on what happened on the field.

1:29:38Justin Jefferson:Hey, talk to me. What happened on that? Oh, yeah, BG, you was right. Oh, okay, yeah. BG has given me a lot of really good life advice.

1:29:47Gregg Rosenthal:I do that to Greg often.

1:29:49Nick Shook:Kill him with kindness. That's what he says.

1:29:50Justin Jefferson:Hey, I'm telling you both because you see. Yeah. You got to kill people with kindness. It's a good lesson. I'm telling you, as hard as that is sometimes, it ain't about winning it. It's about, look, it's a problem right here. Me and you got to figure this thing out to attack this problem together. But sometimes people think it's a problem between me and you and they, even in marriage. Wife, this is a problem right here that we just need to figure out. I love you. I know you got to work on some things just like I do. I love you too. And it's like, you know, all that stuff. But it's really communication because a lot of times when you see stuff on the sidelines because people have miscommunication or built up feelings that they needed to have a man-to-man talk sometimes.

1:30:31Justin Jefferson:And you don't always get that in a work relationship. But in football, you should have that more than not. But a lot of people sometimes run from those hard, hard moments because it ain't always easy to kind of tell someone, man, you wrong. and then take accountability to know that you're wrong.

1:30:48Jourdan Rodrigue:Life lessons with Brandon Graham. I love it. I know. I'm so excited. We got a guest coming up, so I'll leave you with this. This was too good from our research department, Chris Babona and Eric Roberts getting it done, with a direct quote from the Unblocked podcast hosted by Bo Wolfe. Brandon, you said, if Howie made a splash with the coordinator, I think it'll spark some interest with people wanting to come back. So I ask you, is Sean Mannion a splash with the higher ed coordinator?

1:31:17Justin Jefferson:I would say yes, because from what people have told me, even people in the organization that knows him say, man, he is great. Y 'all don't even know just the relationships he has already and how he tries to really build those relationships. And I'm loving that it's going to start from the ground up. And he's all about that. And so with him and Jay, I'm sure they've been on the phone, been talking. how you envision us looking this year. And then we just go from there. It's the journey of these next six months.

1:31:48Nick Shook:People coming back. He said he put 60-40 on AJ coming back.

1:31:51Gregg Rosenthal:And he's a great communicator. Yes.

1:31:53Justin Jefferson:And if you could communicate what you want and how you want it to look, man, you're killing the game. And so I'm hoping that we can keep because, like how we say, he ain't trying to get rid of no good players. And I know I don't want to see him go. I want to see everybody thrive. I want to see Devontae, AJ, to Saquon back in the mix. I mean, let's go get that record again this year on top of the record. You know what? Like, let's have it where passing yards and running yards. Like, let's have a complete package this year. And I think they could do that with the people that they got.

1:32:25Jourdan Rodrigue:Heck, we might have BG back in the mix, our own Mike Garofalo reporting that. He's going to think about it, but don't take. We're not going to put you on his body. I would just say, I would just say, I already. He's already set on the show.

1:32:36Justin Jefferson:I told him, I told him exactly how I felt. I want to do it before. I don't want to just jump in halfway through because as soon as I start really feeling good, then it was over. I was just like, dang, wish I had started earlier. The ball's in Howie's court.

1:32:48Jourdan Rodrigue:He wants to come back. Yeah, he knows. Howie, he's a hard man to read, so who knows, 60-40?

1:32:54Justin Jefferson:All I say is, the draft will tell you.

1:32:56Jourdan Rodrigue:If AJ Brown is out, I don't think we're going to know about it until the second that he's out. Brandon Graham, Bo Wolfe, our friends. Now that we've had Brandon Graham on the show a couple of times from the Unblocked podcast. Thank you very much. Appreciate it, guys.

1:33:11Justin Jefferson:Go birds. All right.

1:33:14Jourdan Rodrigue:That is it for the interviews today. That was Brandon Graham and Bo Wolfe. Delight. We've welcoming back Nick Shook to the stage. He's everywhere. To wrap this thing up. We started with you, Nick. Yeah. And you stuck around with Justin Jefferson. and then after Justin Jefferson got off the stage, you did what a real man should do, and you got his Madden handle so you guys can play later. Oh, yeah. We're not giving that thing out, but that was a good job by you.

1:33:44Nick Shook:That's real journalism, Big J journalism right there, getting the contact info, digging deep, getting the sources so you can play on the virtual gridiron.

1:33:51Jourdan Rodrigue:I don't know if he was just being polite, but he seemed genuinely excited to play some Madden with you. I mean, he took my phone and typed it in. He did.

1:33:58Gregg Rosenthal:I saw it. I was a witness.

1:33:59Jourdan Rodrigue:I might have to try to steal that and see if I can have a setup between Walker and him. Well, here's the thing.

1:34:08Nick Shook:Maybe Justin and I will play for the right.

1:34:11Gregg Rosenthal:Let the relationship grow, and then we'll see.

1:34:14Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm not above trying to burn a relationship just for one moment of glory. What a show. Mac Jones was awesome. Jackson Dart and Brandon Graham. Big picture takeaway. way you're saying that the kids are out of control you being the kids and me being the dad i mean yes you can be a kid too if you want yeah if you want at heart you know at heart i feel like it no it

1:34:39Gregg Rosenthal:was great i i loved it we talked about big philadelphia eagles feelings with brandon he was very honest about kind of some of the dynamics in that building we talked to jackson dart about whether he's going to launch a negative smear campaign against tyler shuck which he i thought that he his soul was going to leave his body when you asked him that question but then he laughed Yeah. And then we found out that Mac Jones' parents are big fans of the show.

1:35:01Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh!

1:35:02Gregg Rosenthal:Which we love. We're big fans of Mac. Yes, we are.

1:35:05Jourdan Rodrigue:And we see, actually, as we're talking, I see him over, literally live right now, on NFL Network. I bet he had more fun with us. Yeah. He did ours first. What, you're going to have fun with Pellicero and Rap Sheet? In a couple of suits? Yeah, Judy's over there. Judy's fun. I specifically didn't mention Judy, because I like Judy. That's it. We have so many guests tomorrow. We might as well just say goodbye and set that up. It's kind of going to be a preview show. It's going to be a little different than most of our preview shows. We're going to have our preview, but that'll be a little condensed, the three of us.

1:35:43Jourdan Rodrigue:And we'll also talk to some guests that can give perspective. Some players that just went against these teams, like Garrett Bowles of the Denver Broncos.

1:35:51Gregg Rosenthal:A very honest Garrett Bowles.

1:35:53Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, and many more. Our Mad Dog will be joining us, me and Shook, and really looking forward to that. It's going to be fun all week. Thank you, everyone, that is checking out NFL Daily. And, yeah, we got something else in the feed for you on Thursday.

1:36:09Gregg Rosenthal:This day really got better after the way it started for me, Greg.

1:36:12Jourdan Rodrigue:That's true. Someone hit Jordan in the head with what was it?

1:36:18Gregg Rosenthal:A hydroflask.

1:36:19Jourdan Rodrigue:A hydroflask. It was a bad omen, and we've recovered. We'll see you Thursday.

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