Ravens Back Out of Maxx Crosby Trade!? Geno Smith Back with the Jets and FA Questions We're Still Asking

13:35Jourdan Rodrigue:That always feels good.

13:36Gregg Rosenthal:They probably do want to hurt the Bengals a little bit on this one. But no, I think that this actually will ramp up Trey Hendrickson's market beyond what we were talking about it possibly being earlier because there's now less risk involved. I mean, we know that there's multiple teams and we don't know still. I mean, it's two firsts. It's not going to happen, right? And the 35, we don't know what he's asking for. But 30s, I think maybe higher 20s could happen. Maybe even low 30s could happen. In a weird way, though, now he has competition, though,

14:07Jourdan Rodrigue:because now Max Crosby's kind of back out there. It's very complicated.

14:11Gregg Rosenthal:But a Max Crosby that the Ravens, who have a lot of respect around the league for how Eric DaCosta operates and all of that, the Ravens who have very publicly now backed out of one of the biggest trades for a non-quarterback we've seen in recent NFL history.

14:28Jourdan Rodrigue:In NFL history, period. There's only been like 14 or something. The number was crazy of two first-round picks, period. And there's only been a handful for defensive players. And a lot of them are in the last couple of years. Sauce Gardner being one of them. But man, tough day for John Spitek and for Raiders fans. Because I think the Raiders fans will be...

14:50Gregg Rosenthal:except these two future.

14:51Jourdan Rodrigue:I think Raiders fans will be fine in the end because I think they'll end up getting, if I had to guess, a pretty good package for Max Crosby and it's just not going to be as good. But it's just like, you did something really great at work. Think about it. You solved something. You had one of the best days in recent Raiders history on Monday. Yeah. And you're just like, okay, everything's gravy now. And then suddenly it's like, wait, we have to deal with all this again?

15:13Gregg Rosenthal:Life comes at you fast. Actually, you know, we talked earlier this week, our friend Jane Slater was reporting the Cowboys weren't willing to go as high as two firsts, but we're definitely in the mix on this. And I think the Cowboys are now the favorite in the clubhouse to watch something like this. They have handled, they have been, I think, a little bit more flexible with how they've handled certain medical situations. Oh, yeah.

15:32Jourdan Rodrigue:They'll just do it sight unseen. Oh, it'll be fine. Jerry will examine them.

15:35Gregg Rosenthal:And they got, who turned them down today? They need some branding. They need good branding.

15:39Jourdan Rodrigue:The N 'Kobi Dean turned them down on Monday.

15:42Gregg Rosenthal:On Monday. So they need a little pop here.

15:45Jourdan Rodrigue:Another interesting nug related to the Cowboys and potential trades. and it could be related here, is that CBS Sports, Jonathan Jones reported Osa Odigizua could be potentially available in a trade. That's a$20 million a year defensive tackle. Could he be in the mix for a potential Max Crosby trade? Here's one of my big takeaways before we get to just a couple little items, and then I throw it to the other top of the show. I think there's going to be a lot. I've been waiting for the trade tsunami. We've had a lot of trades. We've had a punter trade even on Tuesday. But I think the big trades can still be happening Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

16:23Jourdan Rodrigue:It makes more sense because everyone needs to get under the cap. And then at that point after Wednesday, once the new league year technically starts, it kind of opens up the possibility for more veteran trade. So I think this is only going to make it more likely. All right, let's move to the back end of the show.

16:39Gregg Rosenthal:Really quick before we do. How are you feeling about the Gregular season right now? Because I think everything expectation, everything you're hoping. in some form or fashion to make this period of time more exciting is, is happening.

16:52Jourdan Rodrigue:Tuesday was a little quiet. Now this is just how things happen now in free agency. I I've noticed it's a, it's now a massive Monday players come off the boards faster than they ever have. And then Tuesday is kind of like a letdown. And then Wednesday, I think it'll pick back up, not all the way back to Monday, but we'll have some, we'll some bangers. But yeah, like I mentioned late, only three of the original top 30 101 were available after 12 hours.

17:22Gregg Rosenthal:Congrats.

17:23Jourdan Rodrigue:And Trey Hendrickson and Kyler Murray are the two big names there. So you'll hear about Geno Smith's big move. You'll hear about some of the Patriots' moves, some big Kyler, A.J. Brown, Brian Thomas Jr. Big picture stuff coming up on the show. But we did have just the end of the show that we were going to tape. So even if it's a little like funky in terms of putting it right here, I'm just going to run through a couple items that I want included on this show and just get your thoughts. It's a speed round as people are bailing out of the building. You ready? Teddy Bridgewater back from the lot with the lion.

17:57Jourdan Rodrigue:Let's go.

17:58Gregg Rosenthal:Commercial star, Teddy Bridgewater, who recently got a new resolution passed in Florida that actually can help high school athletes afford the things that they need to play high school sports because Teddy Bridgewater was unfairly punished for it. Right. No, Teddy.

18:11Jourdan Rodrigue:Right. This would normally be at the end of the podcast, but we're here. And let's just like, let's just put it in. It's a messy, messy Tuesday. I wanted to just mention how the Packers cut Nate Hobbs, who was a big free agent signing from a year ago, and then signed Benjamin St. Juice. And it's just a little bit of an overall Packers look that they now have lost Elton Jenkins, who goes to the Browns. Romulo Dobbs, who we'll talk about, goes to the Patriots. Rasheed Walker is still sitting out there in free agency, one of my highest players ranked available. Inik Baru goes to the Jets. Rashawn Gary goes to the Cowboys.

18:48Jourdan Rodrigue:Malik Willis goes to the Dolphins. Just a lot of pretty good players.

18:54Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah.

18:54Jourdan Rodrigue:A lot of players that contributed a lot to the Packers. Any concern there?

18:59Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. Well, I think some of it's them sorting through. Now you can say like Romeo Dobbs and Elton Jenkins and also Malik Willis. Obviously, those are big losses, players who contributed at times at a high level, even though they weren't the full-time starter as Malik Willis wasn't. Otherwise, though, it just seems like they're cleaning out their contract structures. They're loading up on compensatory picks right now. So if and when they do not make the type of run they're thinking they'll make this year, they're going to need to reload in the draft big time in the middle rounds. And they're, I think, leading in compensatory picks right now.

19:31Jourdan Rodrigue:Even Jenkins is kind of similar to Rashawn Gary in that he's had a lot of injuries and it was a big contract. So I get it. Uh, Cam Hayward. We love Cam Hayward signed a one year extension with the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was not a free agent, but they just tacked on a year to his deal. Dawson Knox, who, you know, our friend Adam from the block party podcast with the saints. Uh, he really wanted some Dawson Knox. We thought maybe he would get cut or traded. He gets a new three year contract and the bills re-signed Kyle Allen, uh, which sparked one of the funnier, uh, blue sky posts I saw today, which was nothing has better job security than being Josh Allen's golf buddies.

20:08Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, set list of Catan friends.

20:10Jourdan Rodrigue:Those are like his two best friends. Josh Allen is running the Bills in a way that I feel like if Lamar Jackson was running the Ravens, for instance, would get a lot of criticism. I'm just saying. It's fine, but the same. Patrick Queen is potentially available in a trade. Reportedly, teams have called about him with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Something to watch out there. Kaimi Fairbairn is now the highest paid kicker in the NFL. Justice for Kaimi. Walker, if you're listening. your guy is making$13 million over two years. Kalief Raymond, a nice piece for the lions over the last handful of years is now joining his old friend, Ben Johnson in Chicago.

20:50Jourdan Rodrigue:I think he has fun potential. He'll have a moment for the bears where it's like, Oh, that was a good signing. Yeah. I want to say shout out to Hayden Hurst who retired, who was a first round pick by the Ravens the same year. They took Lamar Jackson in the first round. They took Hayden Hurst before Lamar Jackson, But I'll really remember him as someone who kind of, I think, pushed the mental health conversation forward when he talked about his struggles with considering suicide and mental health in general and was really good talking to ESPN, the magazine, throughout his career. So, you know, happy trails to Hayden Hurst.

21:23Jourdan Rodrigue:P.J. Locke went to the Cowboys. That was a move I just wanted to get in there. And then the Cowboys will not be cutting Kenny Clark. They restructured his contract. Also, Luke Fortner is going to be the Panthers' new center. He was with the Saints last year. they get him for cheap. Played pretty well as a backup for the Saints last year.

21:39Gregg Rosenthal:As we were going through all of this, Patrick Claibon did walk by the glass. And I just have... Where is he?

21:44Jourdan Rodrigue:I want him in.

21:45Gregg Rosenthal:How is Patrick Claibon, Ravens fan, Patrick Claibon feeling right about...

21:50Jourdan Rodrigue:I want him on our show. You know, NFL Network and ESPN buys him. And it's like, hey, we're doing Claibon on Insiders all week long. I'm on Insiders too. But you know, I'm on it for five minutes before getting to the important stuff. And that's NFL Daily. They got Claiborne on there for hours at a time. He can't join us. They ran late because of this Max Crosby thing. I want Claiborne with us. Okay. As great as he would be, I don't think you could top the show we put together. So I'm now going to throw to a break. And on the other side of the break is the top of the actual show that we thought we taped before.

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24:01Jourdan Rodrigue:Welcome to NFL Daily, where I guess we just got to be Jets fans now. I'm Greg Rosethal, here in the Chris Wesseling Podcast Studio with my friend Jordan Rodrigue. It's day two of free agency. That means we're on the NFL channel. We're live on YouTube. We're in your ears as a podcast. That's what we love the most.

24:20Gregg Rosenthal:Audio medium, Greg.

24:21Jourdan Rodrigue:It is. And look, wasn't as busy as day one, but right before we're taping, it's 4 p.m. on the West Coast. We had a flurry of signings, but nothing more important than my beloved Gino Smith getting traded to the Jets. What is old is new again. I kind of can't believe this is actually happening.

24:43Gregg Rosenthal:He wrote back.

24:44Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, they wrote back. They wrote back, I suppose. It was always a little confusing.

24:49Gregg Rosenthal:Who was writing to who?

24:51Jourdan Rodrigue:The logic of it wasn't the point. It was a bar. And look, Geno Smith has been underestimated, misunderstood throughout his career. He's coming off the most disappointing season of his career. A very difficult situation. But you know what? As this offseason started, you started to see some of the advanced stats come out. And some of the other teams were interested. Rich Samini of ESPN reported that Minnesota was in on Geno Smith. And that's the reason that the Jets decided to send a late-round pick swap, just a seventh and a sixth, but also they're going to pay about$3.3 million of his salary. The Raiders are going to pay the rest of it, which I believe is around$16 million.

25:33Jourdan Rodrigue:So they're paying a lot of money, but the Jets are paying a little more than they have to, a little more than the minimum, a couple million dollars more than the minimum, and sending in a pick swap because they wanted to get their guy Geno Smith back. If you had told Jets fans in 2016 at the end of his career there that they would be getting him back a decade later. I think it would have blown their mind. What do you think?

25:55Gregg Rosenthal:Well, I just remember how sour some Jets fans were about Geno Smith and then sour watching him go and thrive and in Seattle. And then just the lore of Geno has been a little bit of a painful, sometimes bittersweet one. One. I think that some can rise above obviously, and just be happy for the guy when he was succeeding in Seattle. you did see a couple people still Jets fans, and there's a lot of them online. And I feel for them because they go through it, seems like, every year. And I can't believe I'm saying this, Greg, but I'm kind of stoked for Geno that he's going to play behind this offensive line compared to what he had just went through last season with the Raiders.

26:35Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, he had a text. Let's put that up on the screen again. Look, Geno Smith, he sent it to Ian Rappaport. I'm a little jealous that Rap Sheet just on text relationship with, you know, complete full circle moment back to where it all began. I'm excited to connect with my new teammates and coaches, everyone in the building, as well as a new relationship with the fan base and community and other statements. He said he spoke with Aaron Glenn. That meant a lot to him. And that helped convince him that this was the right place for him. This is not a popular move for the most part in New York and with the Jets.

27:07Jourdan Rodrigue:Just like, what are we doing here? but I do think he was the best available player. I wanted different for Geno as a fan. Minnesota was a better option, but I act like a fan more with Geno and different players that you really love to watch over the years than I do, I think, with any team situation. So I've quickly now turned the corner and have convinced myself, to your point, really good offensive line, although they lost Elijah Veritaker. We'll get to that in a minute. You got Garrett Wilson, Brees Hall, Mason Taylor need a little more, frankly, just need a little more. And you have the Frank Reich offense, which, you know, maybe that that could work.

27:51Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, I wasn't going to be too high on the Frank Reich offense. But if you think about how the best version of the Frank Reich offense and really counting on the quarterback to make smart decisions and throwing over the middle of the field. And maybe it doesn't require the biggest arm in the world. Like maybe that that works for Geno Smith. Like on a football level, I do think this was the best that they were going to do. And they're not paying any money for it. So Jets fans, calm down.

28:12Gregg Rosenthal:Well, and also none of these things, especially when a veteran is either traded for or signed in free agency. And we'll get to some of those other guys in a minute. And cheaply done, by the way, that's never in a vacuum. Like it doesn't preclude the Jets from doing something else at the position in the draft. I think when you look at all these moves that they've made, if you look at them in a vacuum, it is a little confusing what they're actually trying to do. Are they trying to compete? Are they actually just resetting the floor of their roster, which I think they're doing with Geno Smith? I think that gives them stability at the position, and it doesn't preclude them from going after a quarterback in the draft because people keep forgetting how many freaking picks they have too.

28:50Gregg Rosenthal:Good point. And so packaging those together is something that every competent team does all the time. Are the Jets ready to be competent as they turn their attention to the draft?

28:59Jourdan Rodrigue:The problem is there aren't many great quarterbacks in this draft, So maybe it's packaging picks in the next draft. I just think of the journey and I think about my own journey. Look, I wrote an article back in 2015 entitled Making the Leap, number 19, Geno Smith. Little did I know it took 11 seasons for him to actually get a real shot because, of course, the way his Jets career ended was so sad. First, you had the punch in the locker room, IK and Impali, and he misses that season. it becomes a magical season for Ryan Fitzpatrick. And then what I think people don't forget was he was still on the team the next year.

29:35Jourdan Rodrigue:He's the backup. He then gets to start because I think Fitzpatrick got hurt or bench. I should have checked that, but he tears his ACL immediately. It's a big setback for his season. And now here he is 11 seasons later. And I wanted better for him because this is either going to be incredible or it's going to be terrible because it's either going to have a moment where Gino, who's been great at the fourth quarter comebacks, has the MetLife Stadium chanting like, Gino, Gino. And for men of a certain age, Gino Smith fans of a certain age, I mean, that is a magical thought for the Jets fans, you know, for full circle.

30:18Jourdan Rodrigue:He's used the word full circle. It was so painful. It's conquering like really tough demons back then. There is another, you know, route that this could go because this team, it's a big uphill battle where it'd be a depressing coda to his career and a reminder that like, yeah, things aren't fair always in the NFL. You don't get the storybook. So it's probably be a little bit of both. I think there'll be some moments, but you're probably not making the playoffs or anything like that. But I have hope. I have hope.

30:47Gregg Rosenthal:And they could have done a lot worse for a guy who probably will be a bridge to the next guy for them and probably that guy coming via the draft at some point in the next couple of years. They could have done a lot worse. And you know what? He is, you know, I covered some of those Raiders games for the Athletic this year, Greg, and it was a disaster immediately. That entire offense, and it was not a fit with Chip Kelly. All of our hopes and expectations were awful. The offensive line was worse than we ever thought possible. And then there was all the infighting that happened there, clearly, that led to Pete Carroll's and son's dismissal.

31:22Gregg Rosenthal:but Gino kind of sat and took it all and was a great spokesman and leader for the team regardless and so whatever happens the outlier good the outlier bad or probably what we're talking about which is a little chaotic neutral happening in in New Jersey right now he will wear it well and he'll be a really good figurehead for that team right now as they're in transition and you mentioned

31:42Jourdan Rodrigue:the other you know shoot a drop at the position could be adding a rookie certainly in the in the middle round, something like that. The reporting in New York is that Carson Wentz is expected to be the backup, which is just a wild.

31:53Gregg Rosenthal:Chaotic neutral. What is it?

31:55Jourdan Rodrigue:The wild quarterback room. But, you know, Carson Wentz has the history with Frank Reich. And, yes, I did appreciate the members of Geno Nation coming together on Tuesday and saying a lot of what you said about the Raiders. We actually had some fun stats here. 21st in completion percentage over expected out of 41 qualifiers right in the middle ahead of a guy that you might have heard of, Patrick Mahomes. 7 in on-target rate.

32:23Gregg Rosenthal:Here he goes.

32:24Jourdan Rodrigue:Here he goes. According to, I don't even remember where, but 7 in on-target rate. And then this was the one I really liked. FDN Fantasy said that Geno had seven more interceptions than expected. They have a stat called interception surplus over expected. We're making up new stats for Geno Smith. He was by far the most interceptions that you wouldn't have expected. Like they said, he should have had about 10 and he had 17. So we're doing it.

32:51Gregg Rosenthal:Depending on how you frame that.

32:52Jourdan Rodrigue:We're back on board. I feel so strange because I'm rooting for Malik Willis to be good. That's the Dolphins. And now I'm Jets fan. It's going to be a short marriage of inconvenience. But the AFC East is where my heart is.

33:04Gregg Rosenthal:I'm sure they're so happy to have you, Greg. Longtime Patriots fan, Greg Rosenthal. Yes.

33:08Jourdan Rodrigue:Devin Lloyd is going to the Carolina Panthers. Yes. Big news. By the way, I should have mentioned Nashawn Wright going to the Jets as well. Very cheap. One year, up to$5 million contract for the cornerback who had all those interceptions. What, he had five last year for the Jets. And yeah, that's, I mean, for the Bears, that's five more than the Jets had last year. I have a feeling that the actual contract is much less than up to. Let's go to Devin Lloyd with the Panthers. This happened on Monday night. We're going to do a mix of Monday night and Tuesday news. Three years,$45 million,$25 million guaranteed, was a top 10 player on my overall top 101 board, my top linebacker.

33:48Jourdan Rodrigue:The NFL kind of disagreed with my evaluation in terms of finances. In terms of Devin Lloyd, he gets a very similar contract to what N 'Kobe Dean and Quay Walker got in Vegas and not much more than a couple of the other guys in the middle tier of the market that we'll get to. I actually think they kind of set the floor for him to get this money financially. but I think it's a great fit with the Panthers, a fit that you saw coming.

34:12Gregg Rosenthal:Yes, and one that I really hoped would work out, not just because I predicted it in our free agency matchmaking. You're on the board. I'm on the board.

34:19Jourdan Rodrigue:It's a defensive battle. We each have one pick right.

34:22Gregg Rosenthal:And I'm so far winning what we deemed to be the tiebreaker,

34:25Jourdan Rodrigue:which is the height, the height advantage. I did not agree to that.

34:28Gregg Rosenthal:I am very much taller than yourself and Colleen Wolfe, so I'm so far in the lead in that, and also in terms of the closeness to the atmosphere and all of that. So I love this because what I mentioned even a couple weeks, when we came out of the combine, I just got this sense from Panthers brass, from Dan Morgan, especially a famous storied former linebacker himself, that he's just been holding himself back while they've attended to other areas of their team build from really going out and getting a core inside linebacker, someone who he really takes pride in evaluating, someone who can bring that he can bring in and really set the tone right up the middle of that defense where they've had a lot of success with the perimeter corners especially they're adding to their perimeter pass rush they already have Derek Brown in the middle up front but the back end of that front of that front seven and then the back end of that secondary needs a field marshal essentially Devin Lloyd is that person is that player and I just think that he is he's such a fit here and a fit in that defense because they don't ask their inside linebackers to do everything.

35:39Gregg Rosenthal:They ask more of their safeties often and then their slot players and their inside linebacker, but they will ask him to be really active in the past in terms of disrupting pass plays and obviously stout against the run, but because they play the front structure that they do, I think you're going to see a lot more activity from him in the past game.

35:58Jourdan Rodrigue:And I couldn't help, And I know this isn't how these things work. But think of former, you know, PFF employee, Devin Lloyd, now working in the, you know, part of the Panthers front office. And I'm thinking, like, they had him as the number four. Eric Eager. Eric Eager. You were just going to be Devin Lloyd and Eric Eager.

36:17Gregg Rosenthal:I was like, PFF employee, Devin Lloyd, where is he going with this?

36:21Jourdan Rodrigue:Devin Lloyd, of course, a favorite of PFF. Yes. Maybe it is Eric Eager. A top five linebacker, according to PFF. And I really thought he was dynamic. I thought he improved the year before. And the money, like I said, I think it ends up being a bargain. Maybe he's a little more. I don't think he's more boom or bust than those other linebackers. So I think it's a really good value.

36:42Gregg Rosenthal:Even if you don't get the production he had last year, I mean, I think it's so cool for him in general. He bet on himself. They weren't going to they weren't initially going to pick up the option on him. And then he went out and he proved to everybody what he was capable of. I think even if you get somewhere in the middle of this or you get slightly less production, if we can look at that season possibly as an outlier, which realists will do, especially with defense, which fluctuates so much year over year, like you still are very, very happy with the traits, with how he fits in this defense, with the leadership, and also with, you know, you have to feel some of that success as a player.

37:20Gregg Rosenthal:You have to taste what that feels like, and he definitely did last season.

37:23Jourdan Rodrigue:They also cut A'shaun Robinson there, and I think it'll be positioned as like the Panthers, are going all in. Huge money on Jalen Phillips, big money on Devin Lloyd. To me, Jalen Phillips is the risk. Jalen Phillips is just a massive injury risk and a high ceiling player, but also for$30 million a year, that's up there with the very best of the best. To me, that is taking a big swing. Devin Lloyd is just good business. Let's go to the Patriots. We'll see if you think they did good business. Romeo Dobbs is in the building. Hilariously, his contract was reported by four different outlets as four totally different contracts.

38:01Jourdan Rodrigue:But we believe no matter what mergers are happening, Ian Rappaport, and he's got it at four years,$70 million. We'll see kind of what the guarantees are, and it's probably more about the first two years. But good money for Romeo Dobbs, but not crazy. Definitely not more than you would expect. I mean, less than Wandale Robinson got, for instance. And they also gave Elijah Vera Tucker$21 million guaranteed on a three-year,$42 million contract. Interesting wide receiver group they got going there. You got rid of Diggs, but you still have Keyshawn Booty, who's a real guy. Matt Collins, who's kind of that perfect, as you would say, dig you out phrasing, wide receiver.

38:45Jourdan Rodrigue:Kyle Williams, who's another fun little deep threat. Just a lot of guys there. And yet, Cameron Wolfe from the NFL Network says, don't rule out A.J. Brown still, that they still might be in that mix. What did you think about how Dobbs fits in with this group?

39:02Gregg Rosenthal:I love this fit. It kind of goes back to a conversation you and I had a couple of days ago. Was it days or weeks? It's some time ago in the spring where a team that really is looking for a younger version of a player they already had will depend on some of the traits that that older player showcased for them within their system in order to understand maybe how to correctly identify that younger player. And Romeo Dobbs is absolutely going to slot in right where Stefan Diggs left off. He can really work the intermediate areas of the field. He is really, really strong through traffic. He has a great catch radius, and he can be a red zone threat as well.

39:40Gregg Rosenthal:And he's just really precise and very sharp in his route running and in his movements. And so I just think that he immediately fits this offense exactly in the same way that Stefan Diggs did, just a younger version.

39:50Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, much younger. And I love that point about he can work inside and out and he's strong, like great hands. It's one thing I think they look for in receivers. I said it all last year, like this is a great pass catching receiving group. It's not a great separation receiving group, but at the catch point, it's a group of guys with really good hands. Efton Chisholm, let's throw him into the mix too. So I really like Dobbs being an addition here and they're paying him at a level that to me does not smack of like super free agent, you know, inflation. If the Packers had given him this contract, you would have thought like, okay, that makes sense.

40:28Jourdan Rodrigue:Vera Tucker is a much bigger risk because he's missed, you know, more than half the games of his NFL career. But two of those were to biceps and triceps injuries, which just seem fluky in a way. I don't know. They both happened, but they're not injuries that you think like are going to happen again. And they're also injuries that unlike like a knee or hamstring and stuff, they don't they don't necessarily cause any long term damage. Overall, like this is a boomer bus contract, if there ever was one. He was Brandon Thorne's number one offensive lineman available in free agency. He was in my top 15 overall.

41:08Jourdan Rodrigue:I think if you just look at his average game played in the NFL, and he's played at right tackle, and he's played at guard, which is where I think the Patriots will start him, but he'll be an option if Morgan Moses, you know, he'll be an option at tackle too. If you looked at his average game, he's the best offensive lineman, I think, available in free agency. But a huge risk because of the injuries, and it sounded like the Jets were in on him, maybe giving him as much or more money, and he just wanted out of there because, like, he just wanted a fresh start where the vibes would be.

41:35Gregg Rosenthal:Vibes refresh, yeah. You know, I, the Patriots had to do something, even if it was a risky swing, it's a big swing in, if it works out for them. And they had to do something with their offensive line. That is the most recent memory that every fan, every coach, every player on that team has is what happened to that offensive line in the Superbowl. They had to do something to address this.

41:56Jourdan Rodrigue:And he, because he plays multiple positions, like he could fill different spots depending on what you need right now. Now I think he's probably at left guard where Jared Wilson was, and he's moving to center. You have Mike Owenu at right guard. You know, Barrett Tucker's best position probably was right guard, so you're moving him into different positions, but who knows? Maybe he'll take over for Will Campbell at some point. Either way, I love it. I love it for them, and I love it for him. It made me really happy when I saw the contract terms. I thought he might have to take a below-market, prove-it deal coming off the injury, but he didn't.

42:29Jourdan Rodrigue:He really got great guard money, And I think the Patriots decided to, like, give him all that money thinking if he actually hits, it's going to be a great value. Fun day. Really a solid, I think, free agency period so far for the Patriots. Rick Willen. Back in the mix with a big time team. The Philadelphia Eagles, those dirty dogs, are on the board. They were one of the few teams that had yet to sign an outside free agent yet. But have the Broncos? I don't think they have. The Reekwollen signing to the Eagles is for$15 million max contract. Not seeing a lot of details on the other reporting. I'm guessing it's significantly less than$15 million.

43:17Jourdan Rodrigue:Interesting that the market wasn't there for Reekwollen like it was for a lot of lesser-known cornerbacks, like, let's say, a Cordell Flott.

43:26Gregg Rosenthal:Alante Taylor.

43:26Jourdan Rodrigue:I mean, we know him, but like, I mean, hell he got more money than any free agent cornerback in history. I've even been thinking of who was Eric Stokes got three for 30. Benjamin St. Juice had a similar type of contract to reek woolen. But what a potential fit as the outside cornerback kind of filling that Adoree Jackson role opposite Quinion Mitchell.

43:50Gregg Rosenthal:Yes, this is something that we want to fan cam. I like extrapolate just him and also maybe one on Vic Fangio up at the booth. And I want to watch this all season. I just want that streaming live all season because this is so fascinating to me. When I see reports come out of a signing of a really talented player with huge upside and obviously he's been a little streaky and all of that, but huge upside here. And it's framed as worth up to$15 million. I'm thinking what red flags, you know, that that's a, that's a red flag wrapped in a contract right there. I think that his up and down career, like, look,

44:34Jourdan Rodrigue:it was sometimes great for Seattle. It was sometimes not as great, but this season was really good. Like his numbers in terms of yards per target yards per, you know, snap on the field are awesome. And his awesome plays are really good. I think maybe people were a little worried about the fact that Josh Joe got ahead of him that he was a Mike McDonald product, but he was at his best with Pete Carroll. And I think this is a great bet on himself. So I think this is a great move by the Eagles who believe that they can coach him up and they are all about like size, weight, speed at that. Like they feel like -

45:09Gregg Rosenthal:Oh, he's a perfect fit traits wise for that. Right, they can get the most out of him.

45:12Jourdan Rodrigue:And I think they probably, without knowing anything, maybe like there's a very real chance they had a two or three year offer for him. And he was like, hey, I want to do that. Like, I'm ready to do this. Let's do it for one year. I'm going to bet on myself, get to free agency, because I'm going to show that I'm a great cornerback. And it's a great situation where he is going to get targeted.

45:33Gregg Rosenthal:He's going to see the ball a lot. Yeah, a lot.

45:36Jourdan Rodrigue:And, man, the Eagles have been so quiet. They struck out on Jalen Phillips. I think this is going to be a sneaky and really good move.

45:43Gregg Rosenthal:Well, I think they've been so quiet because they're furiously working behind the scenes to try to get an A.J. Brown trade happening.

45:50Jourdan Rodrigue:I think that's happening. I think they're going to have, and they've watched a lot of people go out the door, right? Jalen Phillips and N 'Kobe Dean and Reed Blankenship. And a lot of people are leaving. I still think they're going to be very active with a lot of changes coming up. Will they get into the linebacker mark? Probably not because of who they drafted last year. The off-ball linebacker market did take off right before we started taping. Caden Ellis to the Saints, three years,$33 million,$23 million guaranteed. And then Leo Chanel soon after that to the commanders. And I am guessing without any knowledge that these things are connected because to me, they are filling very similar roles in a defense.

46:39And then once one guy was off the board, they were both top 50 players on my list.

46:48Jourdan Rodrigue:linebackers who really rushed the passer well. And once Ellis was off the board, I think Chanel then had his home with the commanders. What do you think about Caden Ellis returning to where it all started? Now, this is just another just warm bath of a Saints move. I'm loving what I know.

47:04Gregg Rosenthal:I know. I am very, very cautiously optimistic about what the Saints are doing this free agency. Did you see today? There were reports out of New Orleans that actually one of their contract acquisitions has no void years attached to it.

47:17Jourdan Rodrigue:I have a feeling this doesn't either. That's a new day for the Saints.

47:20Gregg Rosenthal:That's incredible.

47:22Jourdan Rodrigue:It's awesome. And Caden Ellis, for people who forgot, he was awesome for the Saints. It was a different defense, but obviously I think Kellen Moore and the Saints, there's a lot of crossover between them and the Falcons in terms of staff and what the Falcons were doing defensively. And I think Caden Ellis steps in there and really helps out.

47:42Gregg Rosenthal:This defensive scheme, particularly the way that Brandon Staley likes to run it, they use this type of player as sort of this hybrid pass rusher, but also as a hook player who can drop into coverage and who will play in a lot of different positions. And I can definitely see Caden Ellis being one of those players and just kind of beefing up and adding not just to their off-ball linebacker room, but also like their pass rush as well. And getting just a little bit more dynamism, versatility, different looks, different ways you can overload your fronts, even if you're playing with a light front the way that Brandon Staley likes to do.

48:17Gregg Rosenthal:I just think this is going to be really interesting.

48:18Jourdan Rodrigue:You mentioned how they liked a fourth-round pick from a year ago, Danny. Yeah, they love that guy. Pete Warner has been a little disappointing since he signed a big contract, but ultimately I think you need three linebackers. And so I expect Pete Warner to stay. Leo Chanel was a fascinating free agent to me in general, just an explosive, awesome pass rusher and just unique skillset guy who sometimes would be the spy on Lamar Jackson for the chiefs, but never got over 500 snaps. And he goes to a Durante Jones, Dan Quinn defense for the commanders. They've been very active. I think that'll be a fun pairing.

48:55Jourdan Rodrigue:Let's go to the Texans who signed Braden Smith, two years, $20 million for the ex-Indianapolis Colts. And we just keep ticking these players off. We might get to breaking this down later, Jordan. But only three of my top 30 players originally are still available. And here's three more we just mentioned from my top 50. There's not many players. It happened faster than ever. And Braden Smith, I had right around 50 thinking he'd be a right tackle. I think he might be a guard with the Texans. That's what he played in college. I think it's similar where maybe they'll just figure it out as they go. But Texans, we wanted them to fix their offensive line.

49:37Jourdan Rodrigue:They said goodbye to Titus Howard. They bring in Braden Smith.

49:39Gregg Rosenthal:Not to be that guy, but like shorter arms. So play him a guard.

49:42Jourdan Rodrigue:Okay. That's what people thought in terms of.

49:45Gregg Rosenthal:You mentioned another player that's been in the news about that earlier. So not to not to assault in the wound on that on that one.

49:53Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, Campbell, you're referring to and Braden Smith's an interesting case because they drafted him in Indianapolis like a guard. And then they had to use him at right tackle. And then it just kept working out so well. He was there for for most of a decade.

50:04Gregg Rosenthal:Well, he's a zone. He's like better with his own blocking. And so I think and that's obviously, you know, Nick Kaley is going to run a lot of these own concepts and everything. So I do think his movement skills, even even without like recent experience at the guard position because of necessity, like yeah I think it's absolutely a fit because you're going to be asked to move like a tackle

50:23Jourdan Rodrigue:in some of your run sets anyway uh they're making progress the Browns are back on the offensive line board we've just been tracking this as each signing comes in they came into the offseason with no starters on the offensive line and then each day they just tick off another one and this time it's Elton Jenkins the former Packer who was just officially released and then signed right away $20 million guaranteed, two years,$24 million. He's been a pro bowl. He's been an alternate all pro. He's played at center. He's played at guard. He's played at tackle. I just talked to Brian Baldinger over in the newsroom about him.

51:00Jourdan Rodrigue:He thought it's a really good signing. I do as well. The Browns have now ticked off four starting spots because they also re-signed Tevin Jenkins, who played pretty well for them as a fill-in guard last year. And so we'll see how it works. But on paper, actually, I like what they've done on the offensive line. Let's go to the Lions, who decided to replace David Montgomery with an interesting, like, stylistic match. Isaiah Pacheco, the former chief, is a member of the Lions. What do you think?

51:26Gregg Rosenthal:I can't quite see how this is going to all shake out, other than the fact that I think he's talented. But it kind of hints to maybe they're changing a little bit about how they want to run the ball.

51:37Jourdan Rodrigue:Isn't he kind of like a Montgomery, basically? He's like that short yardage.

51:41Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, he is. But I also I also think that like if they were going to still move on from David Montgomery, I mean, Pacheco is obviously, you know, built similarly and has that physicality. But I always saw him as like, you know, he's going to get move a lot and get basically either at or less than the yards that you need him to get. But there's going to be a lot of a lot of energy and effort put into it. And then he's great in the screen game.

52:06Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, there was pre-injury Pacheco, who was an intriguing young player. And then there were post-injury Pacheco, who to me has been a replacement level player who I wasn't sure was going to have a future in the league. So to me, like it's not a lock that he makes the Lions. I haven't even seen the contract, but he's an interesting name. You never know. Sometimes you just got to be a year or two away from that injury to play your best. The Giants have signed Greg Newsom at cornerback for$10 million. Like I said, like Greg Newsom is getting the same amount of money as as Requel and that we talked about before.

52:36They also brought back Micah McFadden.

52:39Jourdan Rodrigue:And while we're talking Chiefs, we didn't hit that Aloy Gilman. Three years,$24 million for the safety. $15 million guaranteed last night. They also give Taequann Thornton two years,$11 million. How about Taequann Thornton turning his career around as kind of like a third, fourth receiver for the Chiefs? My big takeaway here is that that Aloy Gilman for Adafi Owe trade, where both players were kind of on the outs, So Loewe Gilman wasn't even playing that much for the Chargers, made both of those players so much money. I can't remember a trade like that where two guys whose stock was sinking get traded for each other one for one.

53:18Jourdan Rodrigue:And then three months later, they're making huge money. So bully to them.

53:24Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah, well, it's a confluence of factors. One, it's great when it is very clear that you're wanted by a good football team. And then which is what happened with both of these players. and then also the Chiefs have a lot of work to do in their secondary so I like this signing because again he's he's kind of one of those reset guys I expect them to hammer the draft all throughout their secondary but also he is one of those like reset players where you're just like okay what's our baseline here we need to invest in a baseline and then build around from there

53:54Jourdan Rodrigue:with young players I like him too and I always defer to Steve Spagnuolo I'm sure Gilman would not be going there if Spagnuolo didn't approve it. But the whole buy low, sell high thing, they're buying really high on a guy if he had hit free agency a little while ago might be like one year,$3 million. I don't know what the Chiefs are doing outside of that Kenneth Walker move. Let's take a quick break. We have a little bit more news to get to. And then we're going to talk about some questions we are asking going into day three of free agency, including Brian Thomas Jr., A.J. Brown, Kyler Murray, who's going to get Trey Hendrickson.

54:30Jourdan Rodrigue:There's still some big names out here. We're going to take a break here. If you're on YouTube, we'll be back in just a second.

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55:43Jourdan Rodrigue:Back on NFL Daily, Audible during the break. Let's just get to the questions we're still asking about free agency. And we'll hit a bit of the lighter news at the end of the show. What's up with Kyler? Well, here we are in a world where, like I said, there's only three of my top 30 players overall available now. And that was true basically after 12 hours, which is just crazy. Kyler is the highest ranked. Yeah, they're going off the list. There's still about like 45 total from the 101. one. And there's like 20 from the top 50. A lot of guys, 30 to 50. But why hasn't the Kyler Murray move happened?

56:24Jourdan Rodrigue:And do we just assume it's Minnesota?

56:29Gregg Rosenthal:To the latter, I do think that's the strongest candidate right now. I mean, sometimes there's just no point in smokescreening any of this. Sometimes the most obvious answer to the question is the correct one. Minnesota needs a veteran quarterback. They kick the tires on a couple of other veteran quarterback options as free agency began. They are probably going to go with one of the cheapest ones with such a high ceiling in Kyler Murray. It just feels too obvious to not happen.

56:59Jourdan Rodrigue:And there was a report or a couple of them, different people said this, that, you know, Kyler and his age, they're like doing things the right way. Cause technically the Cardinals haven't released it. They haven't even announced their release. And someone pointed out to me, And Montias and Fortin, the Cardinals actually did get in trouble previously.

57:16Gregg Rosenthal:Tampering.

57:16Jourdan Rodrigue:For tampering. And so they haven't sent anything out. And so maybe they all are waiting. It's just so quiet. There's also no other spots. Like, that is the one place where there's a starting job just open. And no matter what they think about J.J. McCarthy, they've, you know, made it clear publicly that that job is open, that J.J. McCarthy will be competing for it. But, you know, it's like a marriage. You know, like a girlfriend. Once you're considering other options, it's kind of like it's probably not going to end that well for you. You know what I mean?

57:53Gregg Rosenthal:Maybe not a marriage.

57:54Jourdan Rodrigue:Maybe like a, you know, relationship.

57:56Gregg Rosenthal:Sadly, I do know what you mean, Greg.

57:58Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm just saying you're talking about other potential quarterbacks at a podium saying like it's not a great sign.

58:06Gregg Rosenthal:Here's the thing. I do think that there are a lot of people in that Minnesota Vikings building. I don't just think this. I know this. There are a lot of people in the Vikings building that are not ready to give up on the J.J. McCarthy experience. They think that he's just so young that the injuries, you know, can mess with a young player's head at times and just really want to see who he becomes after all of this. Right. And I think that that's important. You're led by the head coach who has basically preached patience in developing quarterbacks, has become the face of those comments that he made a couple of years ago in that regard.

58:39Gregg Rosenthal:And the other thing is, is on the Kyler situation, I really think that some of this might actually be Kyler wants to go see what the best fit for him will be. That's what I'm saying. Like, I really think that there are going to be multiple teams who will also say, hey, would you like to come be a backup for us for a year? Maybe sign a two-year deal or even a one-year deal. Rehab your sort of, like, mental here. Just get clear of the mess that that ended up becoming in Arizona. Make sure that your body's healthy. He dealt with some injuries last year, quote-unquote. as well that the team was cagey about is why I say that and, and really understand like, what's the best launch point for me moving forward.

59:17Gregg Rosenthal:Is it starting somewhere right now? Or is it taking my time being wooed a little bit, being, seeing what the best, like overall holistic fit for me in my next chapter of my career, as he continues, like we all do God willing to get older and to really understand what that will look like. And not just what it looks like this year, but what it looks like after this year.

59:39Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, the two teams that stand out there are the Rams and the Chiefs. You know, the Chiefs would be a spicy place for him to go to quarterback school with Andy Reid. Don't know if there's interest there from either side. And then the Rams, you kind of laid it out as a potential, you know, option if, you know, just to go through the McBase, you know, quarterback school. We got to move on, though. The interesting thing here is there are other quarterbacks out there like Kirk Cousins is still sitting out there. We are waiting to find out about Aaron Rodgers. I do think everyone assumes he's just going back to the Steelers.

1:00:14Jourdan Rodrigue:So Cousins might be the guy who's kind of left without a spot if Kyler ends up going to the Vikings. Maybe Cousins is the backup option for the Vikings. Let's talk about the wide receiver market. A.J. Brown, I mentioned earlier, could have a Patriots market still. There was some reporting that basically the Patriots were the only team maybe showing significant interest, and it sounded like they're not offering a first. I just don't think it makes sense for the Eagles to trade them at 70 cents on the dollar. On the other hand, the fact that we're hearing so much about it indicates to me they're certainly willing to make it happen for the right price, and when that happens, usually it goes down.

1:00:58Jourdan Rodrigue:They could also wait it out until after July 1st, June 1st, and then it helps their cap a little more if they trade him in camp. And so they're in no big hurry. What do you think about AJ Brown? And then I'll even throw in Brian Thomas Jr. here. It's like the trade market, even though today was quiet in terms of free agency, the trade market often picks up when the new league year starts, which is on Wednesday. So I wouldn't be surprised if we get three or four woozy bangers between Wednesday to Friday. Just some fun, surprising trades. And these are two possibilities. Brian Thomas Jr. and A.J.

1:01:35Jourdan Rodrigue:Brown?

1:01:36Gregg Rosenthal:I'll start with A.J. Brown because this one is fascinating to me. It's the worst kept secret in the world. It's not really a secret at this point that the Eagles are trying very, very hard to trade him. They feel it seems clear to me that they feel they must move on from him or must move him at some point before. I say that now they're probably giving themselves a longer runway, the trade deadline, let's say next year, which feels like a long time, but really isn't. If you think about, you know, how quickly that comes up in the context of a season. And this is interesting because it feels to me the amount of chatter we heard about this and the amount of teams that were being connected via sources to this possibly happening all felt like the Eagles trying to manufacture a bidding war or trying to find a way, as Howie Roseman is so good at doing, to basically increase what the perception of the prices for a player.

1:02:28Gregg Rosenthal:and maybe they're asking, it's possible they're asking for too much in this initial wave, and they might have to back down off of some of what they might be asking for with A.J. Brown. If the Patriots...

1:02:38Jourdan Rodrigue:I think it's just like, I don't think, I think if they could get a first for him, I think he'd already have been gone. So my guess is no one's given up a first for him.

1:02:45Gregg Rosenthal:I mean, even if it's a first and another pick, I feel like that is, they're going to have to back off of whatever they were asking these teams for. And in terms of Brian Thomas Jr., it is interesting, the dueling reports, I guess, that we're getting out of this, where we see that they're trying to find the best possible fit for him in this new scheme. They're moving him around, bringing other players in to take on a role that he previously had played. All of this during the regular season, the Jaguars sort of like fairytale season and postseason that they had. well now we're hearing reporting today and espn's adam schefter kind of came out and said hey uh this i don't know where this is coming from like this isn't this isn't something that they're interested in doing and i know each we both have like our thoughts on how real any of this could be but i always do laugh because insiders they know so much that they just they still don't report and i feel like he knows exactly where this is coming from adam and so So he's him saying that it immediately puts my flag up and I just get I'm tickled by it because I'm like, wait, if you're saying I don't know where this is coming from, I feel like you know exactly where this is coming from.

1:03:55Gregg Rosenthal:And that's why you're saying I don't know where this is coming from.

1:03:57Jourdan Rodrigue:It's kind of one of those things that local reporters in New York specifically, like the Jets. We're saying and the Giants, actually, we're saying that they heard Brian Thomas Jr. is very much available.

1:04:09Gregg Rosenthal:And hearing local reporters in Jacksonville say he's very much not available. Right.

1:04:14Jourdan Rodrigue:And the national reporters are saying we don't think he's available. So everyone has different self-interest. My theory without knowing anything would be, look, maybe maybe the player is interested in going. Maybe the team would let him go for the right price. But since the price is so far off at this point, they're trying to shut it down and and keep that relationship and trying to leverage it. But I don't think those reports come out of nowhere. So if there's reporters in certain markets that believe that he's available, my sense is that someone's trying to drum up that market, whether it's the Jaguars or it's Brian Thomas Jr.'s agent.

1:04:52Jourdan Rodrigue:And I would love to see that. Before we take a break, I just want to say, I'm taking Brian Thomas Jr. every day of the week over A.J. Brown right now. I mean, not just because of the contract, although that's part of it. You're going to have to pay Brian Thomas Jr. because you cannot find that speed elsewhere. where all the teams, including the Patriots, that were in on Alec Pierce, I'd rather have Brian Thomas Jr. than Alec Pierce, too. As much as I love Alec Pierce, they're in the same ballpark, but that is a young guy who moves unlike many people in the NFL. And the fact that it's all just being sprinkled out there at all tells me it could be happening.

1:05:29Jourdan Rodrigue:I think it will happen, actually. I think it's more likely to happen than A.J. Brown. That's just a wild guess. Let's take a break, and we'll come back. We'll talk a little bit about Trey Hendrickson on the other side.

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1:06:12Gregg Rosenthal:And yet, when breast cancer is caught early, the survival rate is over 99%, nearly 100 % for stage one before it spreads. If you're 40 or older, you should be getting screened every year. And if you're under 40, it is never too early to understand your risk. So come on now. Pay the girls some attention. head to yourattentionplease.com to learn your breast cancer risk and what screenings you might need. Trust me, your future self will thank you. Brought to you by Novartis.

1:06:42Jourdan Rodrigue:Trey Hendrickson's wanted to be a free agent for a long time, and I hate for him that it's not going how he wanted to. Jonathan Jones of CBS reported that Trey Hendrickson wants about$10 million more per year than the offers that he's getting, which is wild. If I had to guess, I think that Daniil Hunter one-year$40 million extension plus the Jalen Phillips$30 million contract combined to create this situation. And if there really was a$10 million gap between what he wants and what he's being offered, I would guess, and I don't know if this is all true, that he wants about$35 million and he's getting offered about$25 million.

1:07:22Jourdan Rodrigue:Or he wants about$30 million and he's getting offered about$20 million. somewhere in there like 32 23 that doesn't surprise me like i think he is about a 20 to 25 million dollar player because he's turning 32 and he's coming off of a serious injury i understand when he looks at the other players like a dafeo way and jalen phillips and thinks like i should be making more money than them but that's just not how it works sometimes six years older than jalen phillips right you know without the devastating you know injury history that that Phillips has, but he does have an injury that he's coming off of, which is a concern.

1:07:58Jourdan Rodrigue:There was a report that the Bills could be getting in on the Trey Hendrickson market that they've reached out. Where would you like him to go? Where do you think he could land?

1:08:08Gregg Rosenthal:I want him to go to the Chicago Bears, but they will not do it at that price. And I wonder, too, if they would even have like a big circle with an X drawn through any player acquisition that is a player over 30 at a premier position. because some teams just do some teams just will not spend risky contracts or big money or even media money on players at premier positions which pass rusher is at a certain time in their career and and sometimes we get really cool out outliers like Daniil Hunter is still going and you know I just think that even with the cool outliers that we get teams do stick to a lot of these processes and I think that's part like a huge reason why he's not seeing what really what he wants is not the ability or the potential I think a lot of teams would be happy to have him but it's the age thing also unfortunately also I this sounds horrible but like it's Trey Hendrickson it's not Max Crosby or Miles Garrett for Hendrickson is not that player I know he had a great

1:09:12Jourdan Rodrigue:season two years ago but if you just look at him on a play-to-play season-to-season basis he's absolutely like a top 10, top 8, like, edge rusher at his best, but he's not those guys. And now he's older. I think the Cowboys would be really interested. We always hear, oh, the Cowboys are in the mix. The Bears obviously would be fun. The Commanders have kind of filled that hole. The Bills. I think the Bucks, who I had him in our matchmaker game, still make the most sense for him. And so he's going to get paid. I think he'll end up on a good team if he wants to be on a good team, if he wants to prioritize that.

1:09:44Jourdan Rodrigue:He's not going to get everything that he wants. Um, but he's kind of the biggest free agency, you know, domino the ball in the next couple of days, but just some odds and ends. I always like the day after the crazy day. Cause then you find out these little nuggets. I thought it was funny. I don't know. Funny is maybe mean to hear that N 'Kobe Dean got as much or more money offered to him by the Cowboys.

1:10:08Gregg Rosenthal:And he turned that down just cause to ruin your game for the Raiders.

1:10:13Jourdan Rodrigue:That's true. I had, I had N 'Kobe Dean to the Cowboys, uh, just, He just said he got he just kind of went with his gut. I think he played with Quay Walker before. He thought the locker room. But how about the Cowboys getting spurned for the Raiders in a big spot?

1:10:26Gregg Rosenthal:Man, that's a that's a real blow to the brand. You know, that's a real blow to it kind of is.

1:10:33Jourdan Rodrigue:And why not just throw in if you're if you're that far along, make it so that the money isn't the same. Like it was like, oh, they're paying a little more. How about just throwing an extra three million dollars? Speaking of money, Mike Evans only got$16 million guaranteed on his contract from the 49ers. That was one of those where the real money was not as good as we thought. Two years,$28 million. Pretty fascinating. And supports a theory I had that he just got on the phone with Kyle Shanahan, who's a wide receiver guy. And Kyle Shanahan's vision for him, as you said, as the X in that beautiful offense was just like, I got to try something new instead of trying my six different offensive coordinator under Todd Bowles, you know, in the last seven years or whatever, because the money's not that good.

1:11:17Gregg Rosenthal:Yeah. And it's already he's already a future Hall of Famer, in my opinion. But also, if you go to San Francisco, big if there's a lot that has to happen between here and now you go to San Francisco and you win a championship as a receiver, as a as a number one receiver. You are now etched in a very specific, particular piece of lore in football history.

1:11:39Jourdan Rodrigue:You just got to stay healthy, you know, away from that substation. I thought it was interesting that Cam Wolf of NFL Network said, look, even when Michael Penix is back, it's an open competition for the Falcons starting quarterback job. That Tua Tungabailoa is going to have a head start. Everything you hear is that the staff there in Atlanta is not necessarily in on Michael Penix, which is, I feel bad for him, but that's what happens when regimes change. And then finally, I thought it was cool, Stephen Holder of ESPN said, the new vision is Alec Pierce, eight to 10 targets a game. So not just more money, more action for Alec Pierce.

1:12:19Jourdan Rodrigue:That was fun. Day two of free agency. We will be back again live on YouTube, on the NFL channel tomorrow, 4 p.m. Pacific. We'll see you then.

1:12:32Gregg Rosenthal:This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.