Saturday Sickos: Coaching Carousel Predictions and Best Candidates

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29:48If you know, you know. So let's hope that it's going well in the alternate universe that you're listening to this. Let's talk about what could be the most interesting part of this coaching cycle. And that's the teams with big name coaches where the last handful of weeks of the season could change things. And maybe someone big shakes loose. And I'll start with the Colts, who I've asked around a little bit about. And I think there's a bigger chance that Shane Seiken does not keep his job than the public would assume. because A, he's coached pretty well, I think, considering their situation. You can see it.

30:27You saw the vision for it, obviously, with Daniel Jones. Everyone wants a good play caller. And then B, you can't really blame this collapse on him when all the players that were making it happen suddenly get hurt on defense, on offense. Obviously, it was happening. And so logically, you're like, oh, yeah, you would keep Shane Steichen, and who knows? Maybe they will win some games with Phillip Rivers. But assuming they don't make the playoffs, you would think he'd be safe. but I've talked to people and they basically view that as new ownership. Like, yeah, it's Jim Mercer's daughter but she's gonna want her own people in there and put an imprint on the organization.

31:06On top of that, Chris Ballard's been there for a decade and this was always a win or else year. And even if really bad luck is one of the reasons, if not the biggest reason, they don't make the playoffs, that there still would be a real chance that if they go from seven and one to eight and nine, she's not going to care about why and that she might be looking for a big fish or just to make a change. Do you think that would be the right move? I don't think it would be the right move. I agree with you though. I've spoken to people on the cult side, on the coaching side, and there's real fear that they think this is it and it's a wrap.

31:37Really? Which you just don't normally expect from guys who were in the hunt for coach of the year where they all get little, you know, statues from the head coach for saying we all did a great job. That's where they thought this was ending up by the time they got to the Christmas party. That is not how it's feeling there right now. And it's a real shame because how could you have done any better than they did to open the season? Putting up historic stuff on offense, which is his main task. And I get what you're saying about the new ownership and I agree with that. I mean, making the trade that it for Source Gardner is a classic new owner move.

32:06Let's go all in. Let's not accept that our quarterbacks, Daniel Jones, let's compromise the future for the now because we believe we're a championship contender when we're probably not. So I think that that kind of erraticism is to be expected when you get a new owner. So it wouldn't surprise me in the slights if they decide to move on. Look, Carly Ursae-Gordon has impressed a lot of people with how she's operated. And if she was making a surprising decision, that would be in keeping with her father's legacy. Certainly at the beginning of his career within Indianapolis, which was more of a disaster.

32:41And he's talked about how substance abuse affected that. And that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about someone who, yeah, just might have her own ideas of how she wants the organization to be run. And it's ultimately up to her. The distinction here from the typical new owner syndrome, like when the Waltons brought the Broncos, it's like, go and get us Russell Wilson. We're going to go trade draft picks for the famous head coach rather than do like a coaching search of the young, cool candidates is she is a football lifer. She's been working in the football department since she was like a teenager.

33:09That is a bit different when you've lived through it, being through so many different regimes anyway, that she will have a good sense of what looks like it's working well, what isn't. I think it's pretty hard to pin the current situation on the regime that's there, unless you're just saying that we looked into Daniel Jones, in a sense, that was never sustainable. We're only in that situation because of Chris Ballard. And then it would be hard to me to say, well, I'm going to blame Shane Steichen also. But as always, it's hard to remove the coach. Sorry, keep the coach and remove the GM. Yeah. Maybe there's interpersonal dynamics you don't know about.

33:45You don't know who's friends with who inside the building, how all the relationships are. And so there could be more to it. But just from the outside looking in, even if I'm blah on Ballard over the years, right now they have a lot of pieces where continuity seems to make a lot of sense. And I include Anarumo in that. I include a lot of that offensive line that Ballard built. in that and that it makes sense with Steichen. They got to figure out quarterback, but to me it seems like holding Pat and giving this group one more year at least would be the way to go. The Ravens and Steelers, let's kind of blend them together.

34:24I do think that there's like a greater chance that one of these two head coaches are not back next year than probably conventional wisdom has it. the more stuff that came out about Tomlin, the more I thought maybe Mike Tomlin doesn't want to be there. That basically was my read on it, whether he was kind of doing the old Parcells and Sean Payton playbook where they had a job and they had years left on their contract, but they were clearly making it obvious to the rest of the NFL. Hey, does anyone want to come get me? That's just my read without asking around about that when it comes to Tomlin.

35:03What do you think about the Steelers? Let's start there. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm a broken wreck on this. The reason a guy keeps his job is that all I ever hear is how quickly someone else would hire him. It's no longer a defense of the job he has and the place he currently is. It is just every year like clockwork. And we had this with a bit of a loosey-goose report that we're going to get the Schefter update that our team is so willing to go and get Mike Tomlin. And then he signs a contract extension. This year, a little bit different with the, oh, there's an option. And so he's safer next year.

35:31but the option for the following year, that makes me think he would be potentially available and would sign off on a trade to somewhere like the Giants, somewhere he respects, somewhere he thinks he could turn the thing around pretty quickly and kind of immediately move into just a better situation for the medium term that he's constructed himself where he currently is. And I wonder where the Steelers are at in this. It seems like they would rather just, well, let's just keep keeping him. And even if there's shortcomings, they must see these reports out there. They're obviously more in tune with it than we are and wonder if their coach has a wandering eye.

36:10And this is how these seasons end mean everything, unfortunately. I think that's short-sighted to base it all on the last few games of the season when you have a track record of what he is great at as a coach. And I think he could be someone that is better in another spot, but just needs a refresh. Maybe the Steelers need a refresh. They finish at Detroit, at Cleveland, and then home for Baltimore. There's a pretty realistic scenario where they've clinched the division before even playing Baltimore if the Ravens can't pull off wins here. And so if the Steelers have a home playoff game, it's just hard for me to imagine that thing changing.

36:48If the Ravens don't make the playoffs, I think Harbaugh's out. That is just a total gut thought. It just feels like time. I personally think he probably should be out if they don't make the playoffs. And in general, it just feels like time. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a million strengths as a head coach and that he had a great run, but all runs have to end sometime. And I would think about, if I'm the owner there and the front office, do we want John Harbaugh being the head coach of Lamar Jackson his entire career? I kind of want to see something else. I just would. You're in the camp of Mike McDaniel, right?

37:25You just want to see Lamar with McDaniel? I mean, that would be fun. I mean, you could suggest out of our other options who else would be fun there. Like, would Kevin Stefanski be fun there? I do think that's an organization where maybe the head coach is – it's not like Pete Carroll in Seattle or anything. It's part of a larger operation, and you slide a head coach. I mean, Brian Billick, to me, was not like leading that organization. And Harbaugh's been great at what he does, but sometimes it's the coordinators and it's everything else. It's a whole system. So let's, let's just plug someone else in the system.

37:59We're not taking Lamar out. So let's, let's plug that spot differently. I do imagine if they did it, it would be someone within the family. I imagine that's why Jesse Minter would have his eye lasered on. He could go and do that. I'm with you. I think it's time. I think in both organizations is a real sense of fatigue. I think particularly the Steelers have run out of ideas, but with the Ravens too, it feels like they're out of ideas and you could find a new voice that's within the family, which is pretty unusual for a team to get in a team that can't be cares about that stuff. And so I just think if Jesse Minter is available and he's going to be a head coach for 15 years in the league, I'd want to be on that train early rather than hang around and go down the end of the cliff with Harbour here where we should be better than we are.

38:36And we watch Jesse Minter wander off somewhere else and have a great career. Now, it'd be really interesting if it was Minter head coach in the like kept Todd Munkin, because to me, I'm I'm mostly thinking about, all right, who's going to maximize Lamar Jackson? Where are you at with the Todd Munkin experience, by the way? not as impressive this year as in previous years and i think about this with all coaches i think people have a tendency to say they are good they are bad i think people have good seasons bad seasons people get tired they run out of ideas the cycle of the league can kind of ebb and flow in the way your philosophy kind of overlays with the meta trends of the league someone like vance joseph i talk about all the time i've been banging the drum for him to get a head job for like four seasons i think it's going to cycle out of him being as useful as he is right now and then you're going to hire him the tail end of the cycle where his defense was a real value add to have him running your team and I feel like that with Munkin where they've run a little bit out of ideas obviously compromised by the offensive line Lamar's injury he's not moved the same way but it feels a little more stale compared to in the previous few seasons I'm informed here too by when they did fire Brian Billick and people were surprised that was a Super Bowl champion who wasn't you know the team wasn't a disaster they had a down year obviously and I believed all the reports about how close John Harbaugh was to losing his job before Lamar Jackson, essentially.

39:53He saved it. And John Harbaugh knew from the minute Lamar started playing like that, this is my guy. And he tried to support him and he supported him publicly. But you just feel like that this organization, I think they've seen it and it's just been diminishing returns. Now feels like the time. Then again, they could win these games. They could win a couple of playoff games and that would shut me up. I'd be a little surprised if that happened. I think it's tricky because for the Steelers, I don't see a clear option that you would say we feel comfortable as if not an upgrade is pretty similar. And they've not done a coaching search since when like the 20s, like when was the last I did an actual coaching search for a candidate?

40:32Whereas with the Ravens, there is that kind of perfect middle ground of guy who seems to be peaking at the right time is ready for that coaching gig. He knows us, understands our language. As you said, we kind of plug a guy into the building rather than come and run and, you know, overhaul the whole building. So I think the timing just makes sense for the Ravens. Get Lamar a new voice, get a younger, more exciting, more innovative staff. I think that would make sense for them. I'd be very surprised if former Eagles co-worker Sean McDermott or Andy Reid are not back with their team. But I just thought I'd throw them out.

41:02There's a little red meat there. Just, you never know. In Andy Reid's case, it would just be for him to make a decision that everyone that covers the team the most closely says is just not happening. He signed an extension through 29. You just never know at his age if he would decide to step down. That's very unlikely. McDermott's a little different. They're playing well right now. It's very easy to imagine them winning playoff games, maybe even making the Super Bowl and making this conversation moot. But in a different world where, let's say, they finish 12-5 or 11-6 and they lose in the first round, what are your thoughts about the Bills situation?

41:39I think I was more on the McDermott should leave train last offseason where I thought you could maybe go and get one of the super innovative offensive coaches and just paired up with Allen. Could you go and be the Ben? If that job was available, every coach in the land would be lining up to go take it. You could have brought Ben Johnson in. I think with the candidate pool this year, I'd be more inclined to just give it one more season. I think McDermott's actually done a very impressive coaching job on game days. The game plans have been a bit of a whiff over time, but I think that personnel is pretty poor and it's grossly overstated often because of McDermott.

42:09and because of Josh Allen. And it's more of a talent evaluation issue than it is a game day coach issue. He may take the fall if they fall short in the playoffs, but I think he's coached pretty well himself on game days this year and deserves another shot. I agree. I would lean pretty heavily towards keeping him. I guess it's the history of the league is that guys don't stay together this long and then win their first one. It's just that simple. And it's the same with Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson. You just don't see it where I coach quarterback combination, go six, seven, eight years and finally break through.

42:38And so if you're looking at history of the league now, Josh Allen is different. Maybe he could do it. Maybe he does break through this year. That would certainly be in my mind if I was running the team that a new voice could be impactful. Yeah, it's a good call in terms of like the QB conversation. I mean, the QB quarterback combination that it tends to happen earlier. But he's a tricky one, McDermott, because I'm trying to think of the perfect quarterback cop. Maybe it's Jared Goff, like just in terms of where he is in the pecking order. Like, obviously, there are coaches that are at a level Sean McDermott's I don't think ever going to get to as in terms of being a complete difference making head coach.

43:19But yet, like, go find a better quarterback than Jared Goff. It's not going to be that easy for you to do so. I don't know if like McDermott's that high and coaches, I think, are ultimately a little easier to find than quarterbacks. but there's a big risk if you decide to move on that it could certainly go worse. On the read thing quickly is that I find that fascinating because this is a dynasty unlike any other where they've experienced no brain drain. The only guy to leave is Eric Biennemi and that was partly a mutual decision, right, to go and chase the next rung of the job ladder. We've not had before where they have had in combination the greatest offensive designer of his lifetime, the greatest defensive coordinator of his generation, the best offensive line coach of his generation, and maybe the best special teams coach of his generation all together at once, all the way through.

44:05They look so out of ideas this season. And I feel like if Reid doesn't go, I'll be very much open to, and I would hope someone like Patrick Holmes would go and say, we need new, young, fresh faces. Usually that self-manages itself because everyone leaves. Everyone left Saban, everyone left Belichick. You got to go find new people. They've almost put themselves into this bucket where it's the same guys all the time, the same voices. So if Reid doesn't go, I do think they've got to say, Matt Nagy, you're out. Someone else that is kind of shocking, you're out maybe Steve Spagnuolo takes a new job but particularly on offense I think they desperately need new young voices it's a great and weird point about their continuity which has been such a strength for them and like they're not going to change their offensive line coach but I think you're right that some new fresh voices would be great and you think about all the other teams that are been less successful the Rams certainly basically anyone in that coaching tree.

44:58But the Ravens too, like the Ravens have been cycling through coordinators forever, especially on defense because they get better jobs and that just hasn't happened. All right, Spagnuolo is one of the retreads. Let's go through it. You helped divide the list up of potential candidates into different categories. So we'll start with the retreads and I'll throw Jim Schwartz in there too. Although to me, he'd be a long shot, I guess, to get another head coaching job. Spags would be interesting. I do think there could be an appetite for him getting some interviews and the Giants specifically would be an interesting fit for him.

45:28I've listened to Chris Long on his podcast in the past saying, man, it wasn't Spags' fault in St. Louis. No one was going to win in that situation. We feel bad that Spags is such a good coach that we let him down. There is a possibility he could be better the second time around. But we have McCarthy. Robert Sala, I think, could be a guy who gets interest. Brian Flores, if organizations can look past the lawsuit between Flores and the league. Vance Joseph, you already touched on. Belichick, I guess we could throw in there. Stefanski, like a lot of names. Who kind of stands out? Who do you want to start with there?

46:09The one that stands out to me, I don't know if you've read him off there, is Mike McCarthy. There's not a huge distinction between the resumes of Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton. And yet Sean Payton was heralded because he's friends with everyone in the media as being like the guy you got to go trade draft picks for Mike McCarthy is just available now the third go round coach is a slightly different than the second go round coach and I do accept that but putting him in a place like Tennessee where it's just a complete disaster behind the scenes there is not a level of accountability a level of competence I think him being a kind of bridge guy for a young quarterback would make a lot of sense whether it's there whether it's the Giants somewhere like that where it's like let's just stabilize be normal be ordinary for two seasons And then when we want to go and shoot for the moon, we can thank Mike for laying the foundations and go find someone else.

46:51Not too different from really what happened in Dallas, although they did win a lot of games. Yeah. Third time around, I'm a little surprised. I appreciate what you're saying. I feel like Ivaldi is actually running a team. He gives McCarthy an interview. He leaks it out to the media that he's one of the three finalists because he feels bad for him or likes him. Like he does genuinely like him, but he doesn't hire him. Oh, no, no, no, no. I would not do that. That's true. it's tough because the kind of general picture of the candidates list is the retreads and kind of the guys who have the most cachet first of all i hate the way we hire head coach which is which coordinator was good last year just makes no sense why guys fail all the time do they have the right schools and and stuff to run a building is how i would interview the guys more so than just which coordinator did well um but the offensive guys where it gets tricky everyone wants one of these offensive gurus one of these offensive minds they're all looking for ben johnson and liam cohen it's just pretty dry if it's not cliff kingsbury it's guys who are 20 like grant udinski or declan doyle or guys who've been the league two or three seasons because they're in college so it's tough to find people who fit which is where you just kind of a light i think if you're just going through offensive pecking order and you're not in the kingsbury world that's just not your vibe trying to re-establish a building that's when i think you hit on mike mccarthy's like default saying this isn't the best cycle we had to move on from brian callahan let's give it to mike for a couple of seasons.

48:08I could see it between those other guys, a Spags second time around Flores second time around Salah, the defensive guys, Vance Joseph, who would you like the most? I always want to go for Vance. I'll say Vance so it's out there publicly because I really want him to get a crack at doing it again. The guy I would hire if my owner approved, you know, interviewing the guy that's suing him currently would probably be Flores. I think he's got the best Rolodex to build the staff around him. I do worry about putting him back in charge of a whole facility and what that may do and what it was like in Miami.

48:41Everyone says he's calmed down. It's not as bad as it used to be. When the pressure gets mounting and it's stressful and you're not sleeping and you're in charge to travel again, it might be different. But I think he would be one of the defensive guys who could find the stream of young offensive minds who keep getting picked off the staff every season. You've got to keep refreshing that the way someone like McDermott has had to do. I think Flores of those guys would be the guy to take the punter. And the reality is other than if the Ravens job opens up, it's not like there's these ready-made jobs where you have a strong front office and ownership situation.

49:17Every, every one of these jobs is going to have different challenges. I guess Austin Fort is probably going to be in place in Arizona, but even that you just look at the history there. He'd be the most fun to watch. The highest floor is Robert Sala. I think Robert Sala will always get you in his second go around to seven wins. And that's the floor. Is he the kind of guy who can put you over the top? There's been so much brain drain from the people he's worked with. What I did not love, even though he's doing a very good job this season with the tools available, not taking the air off if I was going to hire him and not going and getting outside of his comfort zone, going back to the Niners.

49:55So I think he's an outstanding coach, excellent defensive guy, could be the spags of his generation, and just be the guy everyone wants to hire as the defensive coach. I would have loved him to do a year out and go and survey all the college campuses and go and find all the cool new ideas, bringing him in and it just becomes a facsimile of that Jets job again, and he brings a LaFleur back with him, whichever LaFleur brother's rolling around. I wouldn't be interested in that. Jeffrey and LaFleur. There's not that many LaFleur brothers. Mike LaFleur, NFL Daily guest at training camp back in August.

50:25All right, the defensive guys, then the young guys. Minter, to me, seems like the top guy and will get a lot of interviews in this cycle. Other possibilities, Chris Shula will probably get attention from Los Angeles. He's a younger coach that hasn't had a lot of experience in front of the podium. And there will be questions of, okay, how can he lead an entire organization? That's fair for most of these first-time coaches. Anthony Weaver could get looks. He's the defensive coordinator with Miami. Jeff Halfley, the defensive coordinator for the Packers. Your beloved Lou Anarumo with the Colts right now.

51:07And then Anthony Campanile. I think that's probably a year or two ahead from him really getting attention, but has done a good job with the Jaguars. Why do you think it sounds like Minter would be an interesting pick? Yeah, I think he's a superstar. I think he's one of the special ones. hiding out there. It's the perfect age, perfect ideas, perfect pipeline of coaches, whether it's any of the guys that are left at Michigan or the people he could pick off the Chargers staff. And this has an unbelievable feel already for what a good program should look and sound like. There's really cool things around the facility that is not traditional NFL stuff that I know he's implemented with the Chargers that I think you could take into an organization and would improve them massively.

51:50I actually don't think he's the kind of schematic guru in the way he's billed as like Mike McDonald. It's a lot more basic than the stuff Seattle do. But whenever I've watched him talk and speak and work at coaching clinics and things like that, it just jumps off the screen that he operates at a different level. And the organization and the principles, I just think look, smell, sound like a guy who's got the goods. I think Anthony Weaver has a little bit of that where if he's in the room, I think he'll impress ownership and that he does make sense as a guy who's done a good job schematically there in Miami.

52:22I mean, they're not amazing, but he certainly has done a solid job. But a guy that you could see kind of leading an organization. Yeah, I thought that last cycle, I thought he'd be the sneaky hire. I thought the Jets would look in that direction, that he would blow people away once he got in the room. I think this one is tough and cramped because you've got Minter and Shuler, and then you maybe have the retreads. If Salah gets one, you start running out of jobs where you become the guy who impressed the interview. We didn't mention, by the way, during the jobs, the Miami Dolphins. If there's a Shuler available and the Dolphins job is available, then all of a sudden you start looking at that one.

52:55Though I do think, I do think the, um, uh, Stephen Ross would go big game hunting, uh, if they decided to do that, but you're so in on just McDaniel staying, I guess. No, I'm an idiot. This is why I need an editor. Give me a break. How did we go through the whole episode? How did no one see this? I went through all the teams. I must've just been so sick of talking about the dolphin situation all week. Oh, I think he's gone. I, I, I think there's been. a lot of talk that they would like to keep him and I think it depends on who you're talking to there necessarily and it just doesn't make logical sense that they're going to essentially require the next GM to keep Mike McDaniel it's possible and it's not the craziest idea ever like he has strengths as a head coach but he would be on my leaning gone list So I'm glad you fixed that hole.

53:52Thank you. I would go with leaning gone with him too. I understand the reasons why you would consider it. You say, we think we've got a guy who is a false multiplier as an offensive designer. What if he had a real pro quarterback? That sounds pretty good. Sounds better than some of the options out there. And if our options are, it's Stefanski, it's Grant Udinski, a 28-year-old running our building, or it's Mike McDaniel. I could see how you could talk yourself into that. Just the way Stephen Ross is, I assume he will go chasing a big name on the market. Okay, so the big names, there aren't many that are offensive guys right now.

54:26Cliff Kingsbury, you mentioned. Udinski is one of the youngest, maybe the youngest coordinator in the league for Jacksonville. I do think Liam Cohen, people are going to just want to get a piece of what Liam Cohen has been doing after really a skyrocket in terms of his status within the league the last couple of years. Declan Doyle, you mentioned, who's with the Bears right now. But it's guys I have a hard time imagining get serious looks. Clayton Adams maybe with Dallas, who's helped to design their running game. Mike Kafka, I think, has a chance for New York to keep the Giants job, but it just hasn't gone well as an interim, so that's not going to help him.

55:09among those offensive guys who catches your eye it's pretty tough i love clayton adams i have a hard time seeing him stepping up to the top podium at this stage um and that's where it's just tight i would be if you're taking the swing for the fence you're the titan just saying we stink but we think we got the quarterback let's just go and take a punt on having sean mcveigh that's where i would look at doing the udinski now i don't love the idea of a 29 year old running the whole the whole team that's that would be concerning um but of the guys you see and look and go he seems different to all the other guys who come through as they stood near McVay those type of coaches whether it's a LaFleur whoever it is um he does feel a little bit different so if you're taking a swing that's the guy I take the swinger I mean the thing about the whole they stood near LaFleur like McVay hires is they've mostly worked I mean the hit rate's been way higher than a normal head coaching that that's where i think nate nate shielhouse with the rams has a chance he's only been in the league two years which is again you wouldn't want necessarily running the whole thing but if you're looking for the guy who stood near him i surely gets a lot of the attention for that but if you're leading well we really want the offensive stuff that sean does that's kind of why we're interviewing you he's older he's a bit more experienced so i could see him being a a real outside hire the other one would be davis webb who i think if you're going again the young gotta take a swing route we're not interested in mike mccarthy and retread offensive mind cliff Kingsbury is not our style of just dude around the office.

56:36I think Davis Webb probably has a little bit more experience, been in multiple buildings. I think we'll come across really well in the interview. So I could see him being a kind of an outside hire. But once you get past those guys, you're into the Clint Kubiak, which just isn't for me. You're into Todd Munkin, which feels like maybe you're doing it 10 years too late as a head coach in the league. That would have to be a, we're making him the head coach of the Ravens because Lamar wants him situation to me, or he's going with Josh Allen, the Bills like a premier quarterback and he can just kind of add onto the top there rather than turning a, turning a team around.

57:09And you mentioned Davis Webb just for the listeners. He is, I wanted to get his title right for the Broncos, the offensive path, the offensive pass game coordinator and the quarterbacks coach. I knew he was the quarterbacks coach there and had some other title where they now like split coordinator titles, like among three people. He also authored like that terrible tush, not tush push but qb sneak remember from like 99 yards away am i am i crazy to remember that that's right it's a sad moment i mean he's only 30 years old i was like that was only a couple years ago that davis webb was making sad starts for the giants so but this is the thing when we're talking about the other jobs they come open ever wants to get rid of their coach i get it you think they're a bozo if you want to get rid of the coach because you want to go chase the next offensive mind you really are tapping out pretty quickly unless you want to take a swing on a guy who's been in the league two or three years or a guy who's just incredibly young even though he's coach his entire life those are pretty big risks to take if you you're going to have players who are significantly older than your head coach stood in front of the room yeah there is there are not a lot of obvious offensive options even among the retreads they're mostly defensive coaches i guess i can't have ali on without you know asking if just seen as reporting you know she had more on Thursday morning that there's multiple high up people with a couple organizations who are at least sort of considering maybe giving Bill Belichick a call I can't imagine, well I definitely can't imagine he gets a job, but do you even think he gets a real deal interview in this cycle?

58:45Real deal interview, I'm not sure a phone call, I think yes and I think that's the Falcons and I think that probably already took place to gauge interest, I think that door A door B You think for Arthur Blank is like a real thing. He doesn't know why he went down one after the fact. So I think the calls will take place. I cannot see it happening. That just would be sad times for the Falcons to hire. Bill Belichick 10 years after 28-3. It's just very Falcons. That was great. We will be obviously tracking all the coaching news throughout the next couple of weeks on NFL Daily. Ali, I won't talk to you on the show before Christmas.

59:28So have a great Christmas. And for everyone listening, we obviously have many more shows before Christmas. We will be back on Sunday night to, yes, recap those big time Saturday games, including that Bears-Packers. I cannot wait for that. And then, yes, Jags-Broncos to me is just fascinating on Sunday, along with Ravens-Patriots. We will see you there in the Chris Wessling Podcast Studio, recapping it all.

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