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28:25That was all set up from the first two quarters where Halfley proved that I will just leverage the threat of having the best player on the field by dropping him out and sending an overload pressure the other way. And you get free runners at Jared Goff all through the first couple of quarters. Yeah. Like the, like the first drive of the game, you know, like the first third down snap Goff had two defenders in his face in half a second. There was nothing to be done there. One of them was Isaiah McDuffie, who, by the way, has played great the last two weeks. Like, I don't know if you have an Isaiah McDuffie take, but Quay Walker's been injured.

28:55I don't even know if we mentioned that in this podcast, but McDuffie's kind of been awesome these two weeks. Maybe it's the system, but he's been outstanding. He's been good. A Hall of Fame high five player arrives just in time to give everyone else a high five in the backfield. He's not quite athletic enough to be like a serious difference maker, but he's in the right spot to the right time. And that's kind of the best you can hope for, I think. Yeah, I was thinking like he's a crazy difference maker, but it does show, I think, how Micah is setting up everyone else. And you mentioned how he helps to close the game down.

29:24This is why you make the Micah Parsons trade. There's what, like a sack that he makes late in the game to set up a third and 15 essentially kills that drive and then kills the next drive too. Because for a while, Goff is fighting back and making some highly difficult plays, despite the fact that they lost Amon Ra St. Brown in the first drive of the game. He never returned. He has an ankle sprain. Rap sheet says he will not be placed on low IR. It's a quote-unquote low ankle sprain, so we'll see. But they're without Laporta. They're without Amon Ra St. Brown. We got the news before the game that fired me up that Frank Ragnall is going to return at some point.

30:09Like, do you think long term, because they are out of the playoff picture right now that they have enough? Let's say they don't have Amon Ra for a few games to get it done offensively without him. I really don't. I mean, it was a shocking amount of Tom Kennedy, who has been with the team since like 2019, since he finished playing lacrosse. He's just always on the practice squad. He gets on the active roster like, what, 24 hours before the game? and he's getting seven targets in a game against a Micah Parsons defense at home. That was pretty shocking. The Ragnow news, I'm so fired up to have Frank Ragnow back.

30:42I would pause slightly there. It feels unfair to put expectations on him that he's going to walk off the sofa like Joe Flacco did a couple of years ago as a center in the league. When we've seen how linemen look when they retire, they shed weight really quickly to expect to just walk back in as a Hall of Fame caliber play who will kind of like erase and fix all the problems, I think is a little unfair on Ragnow. Yeah, and they were without Graham Glasgow in this game, who had been taking over at center. So, you know, they've had issues, and maybe that helps to explain the drive at the end of the game, but it really reminded me of the drive late against the Eagles, where the Lions took a while, and it almost felt like they waved the white flag in Philadelphia that night, just taking forever in a game that they were only down by a touchdown.

31:28And the same thing kind of happened in this game where they take a six minute drive late and kind of just end the game on themselves. And it ends in a field goal, too, because Goff ends up taking a sack. That's one of the drives where Michael Parsons makes such an impact. And just feels like, man, these are these are not the Lions that I love. These are not the Lions that I had in the Super Bowl. I'm not feeling great about that right now. No, I think that's part of when you change the play call in midseason. you know you might have some operational issues during the dan camill's trying to manage the entire game and he's also calling the plays and it just feels like there's a bit of friction there i don't think he's done a great job i think we all just love dan camill and respect dan camill that's like you just assume he's going to be good at this stuff i think he's been pretty poor over this month that he's been calling plays i mean they had a 24 success rate on 25 early down runs and i understand the logic that we lose him on raw we've not got laporta the line is not playing very well just get the ball in the hands of jamaic gibbs but there are more creative ways to do it than just slam your head against a brick wall over and over again where evan williams is having the absolute game of his life flying down from safety to pin everything he can in sight and it just it just felt like an ideological game where he's like no this is who we are the fourth down calls the run game stuff was like no this is how we play detroit lions football and it's like you are losing the game quite handily and your quarterback is playing absolutely lights out in a really tough situation where his interior line is terrible.

32:52Rattledge is the only one who's supposedly healthy and he's hurt and wincing throughout the game. He's throwing to a lacrosse player. He's playing absolute money and you don't adjust the game plan at all. I mean, that's fair. By the way, that seam ball to Kennedy was a beautiful throw and catch. I mean, some of the passes to Jamison Williams was like in just the smallest window and catches him perfectly in stride. I'm not saying Goff's game was perfect. And in fact, the time on fourth down where the Packers did a good job flushing Goff out and got him off his spot, and he throws on the run, but it's just a little bit behind Williams.

33:25Williams could have made that catch, but it maybe just showed the difference between Goff and some of the more mobile quarterbacks in the league. Ultimately, he did a good job, and yeah, Dan Campbell's not going to change, I think, who he is. He talked after the game about the fourth-down decisions. I didn't like one of those fourth-down calls. You know, it felt like, you know, I don't know how good of an opportunity we really gave our guys on that first one, you know.

33:55But, you know, we had an opportunity, and even at the end of the day, we had an opportunity, and we couldn't, you know, we just couldn't get it done there later in the game. So I wouldn't say necessarily that that's going to have an effect on me. You know, you always want to convert them, and we've had a lot of conversions here. It just didn't work out today. Oh, man. I read those quotes. I hadn't seen it. How is a dejected Dan Campbell hitting you on this Friday? Hits me in the gut. I will say I don't want to upset my friends in the day-to-day community. I am all for let's go for it. You know, whatever the numbers say, I get it.

34:33I'm with it. There is a degree of understanding your own personnel, which is why I like that he took some accountables there. Like the play he got them into based on what he's dealing with at the moment is probably not the smartest play to be in. And just when you know your interior is a disaster, your quarterback can't move off his spot, you do have to change ever so slightly on how you can actually get through and win these games. And when you know you've gotten a run game, it's like maybe it's a time to go and take some points. Yeah, the Jameson Williams drop was the second fourth down that they failed.

35:01And I believe the first one was a Jameer Gibbs run up the middle, which I thought maybe Goff switched to. Yeah, Dan Gable was giving his quarterback. He bailed him out there because that was a full check. and it asked for Tim Kennedy again the 5 '8 lacrosse player to move inside from a really wide position to come and try and pin like he's prime Cooper Cooper backside safety so that was just never ever going to work and I think that's Dan Campbell throwing himself in the grenade for I love that you shouted out Evan Williams and what he did in the run defense in this game obviously Parsons had some great run stuffs your guy Edge Cooper also showed up on a few big plays they stuffed the run 10 times so that's at or behind the line of scrimmage that that's a huge number I'm actually surprised the line's success rate was as high as it was which is 31 which is still quite low but they had so many negative runs how do you what do you think about this defense and kind of how they are rounding into form for the stretch run and their toughness I still think that they are a bit loose on the back end I would say and I do worry about them against a really great quarterback who can move slightly obviously anyone would be concerned about that but i think you see if it's not immediate pressure they can be a bit of a civ all their players play best top down evan williams is a maniac attacking the line of scrimmage and i adore him for that if he's just playing on the half field having to kind of figure out what's going on he gets lost all the time i mean he was lost like seven times in this game to offset the seven unbelievable plays uh in the run game it's just there's no time when that pass rush is getting home so if parsons if the other guys can rise to the level as they did in key spots on Thursday, then obviously it offsets everything.

36:39Enigbari, everyone playing to a higher level. I think Lujan, Devante Wyatt is a huge, huge loss to them inside. They are pretty, they're falling down the pecking order now of those interior guys. They really need some kind of upfield rush when Parsons getting double teamed at this kind of clip. Of course, it's our Super Bowl chances are in the hands of Enigbari. I don't love those odds. Yeah, so after the game, Devante Wyatt, who was carted off, We didn't get a complete report from the insiders yet, but Matt LaFleur said, quote, it doesn't look good. In general, when they say that, it's usually some sort of break, which would be really unfortunate for them.

37:16One of their most important players up front. I want to leave on a positive note, though. I mean, Christian Watson, his dad knew. His dad, for people that don't know, we're on Twitter. We're saying, first of all, they're not using him, right? He can do more than what he's doing. He's a complete receiver. He's a tougher guy. And then number two, he's going to be back from this injury sooner than you think. The rehab is going better than anyone who's ever torn his ACL before. And he's going to be more explosive before. And damned if he hasn't been right. Christian Watson looks like a centerpiece of a passing attack, which I did not expect.

37:51He really has changed this offense since he came back. Yeah, and so needed with Kraft going out. I mean, to just have the gravitational pull of someone took a graph. was such like a gravity player where everyone would just kind of pinch around him and it would open up targets for everyone else. They needed someone who was another three-level threat. And Watson developing as like a middle of the field kind of sneaky demon, I think has really transformed what they can be on offense. Yeah, Matthew Golden was out for this game. I do think if you told me we're in the playoffs and suddenly that's when Matthew Golden starts breaking out with like a couple big time plays, like that would not shock me.

38:26I don't think he was lost earlier this year. Maybe you tell me differently, but like they still could have another piece to play in this offense. It's exciting. For the people like you are holding the I have the Packers winning the Super Bowl ticket. I feel like even though the Bears won on Friday, you got to feel better maybe than you have all season long with the Packers at 8-3-1 after this one. I feel good seeing Jordan Love, who is the quarterback I enjoy watching the most round into this kind of form at this stage of the season. It's very, very exciting. So I mentioned they have two games against the Bears in a three-week span.

39:03It's actually 18 days because the last of those games is on a Thursday night. It's a banger of a game, but I hate that scheduling. Like two games in 18 days between these two teams is weird. And they both have some very challenging games down the stretch. So there's a lot of game to play. And yet I feel like the Packers, if there was any doubt, like eight, three and one, they're in outstanding shape to not only possibly win the division, but certainly get a wild card at the very least. And now Chicago at nine and three, despite that tough schedule, looking very good. A couple of games up on the Detroit Lions.

39:39All right. That's the NFC North. Let's take a break. And, you know, it's been a good couple of days when we save what might have been one of the most fascinating games of the entire season for after the break. Like, yes, Chiefs and Cowboys. Coming up.

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45:12All right, here we go. Prescott looking that way. Now he runs up out of the pocket. He sprints to the right. He dumps the ball to Wiggins. who steps in from the one. Touchdown, Cowboys. They drew it up in the dirt. They drew it up in the dirt. Prescott said, I'll hear, I know, I'll hear you. Here, you do something. Williams did something. That was Brad Sham on KRLD. And that was the end of a beautiful drive by Dak Prescott to take the lead, a lead they would not relinquish, Cowboys win 31 to 28 and I wanted to start there Ollie because I did feel like that drive that moment where they are trailing in the fourth quarter was a fascinating moment in this game and after that we get a whole lot of George Pickens we get a decent amount of CD lamb and we get Dak Prescott doing the stuff before the snap after the snap and occasionally like that with his legs improvising to me it was like the full Dak experience and it was beautiful yeah I was just rolling around the floor with glee that I said Joe is my favorite quote about the watch Dak is like my daily beloved seeing him have that kind of performance against Spags on what may be the most watched game in history when the numbers come in very very very thrilling yeah the closing of this game to me was so telling so Chiefs take the lead and we'll back it up because Mahomes played very well in this game.

46:49There was so much to go to in this game. This is going to be a challenge for us, frankly, Ali. You said how many words did you write of notes this week? Oh, 3 ,000. 3 ,000. Okay. And how many was on this game? Because I do feel like I have just more on this game. There was like a lot going on in this game. Probably 2 ,500. Right. So trying to boil it down is tough. But I do think how they closed the game offensively was fascinating and telling. You essentially have the George Pickens drive where he has the play where he gets the big hurdle on the third down, but he also draws pass interference.

47:24He has a couple other catches, and it ends. I believe that's the drive. You also have an incredible two-point conversion play. Thought of going with that for the highlight right after that where Dak puts it in a tiny window to Pickens. Following drive after they get the ball back, that's where you hit the 51-yarder to CeeDee Lamb. You know, Spagnuolo sends pressure with McDuffie, and you get a one-on-one Chamari Connor against CeeDee Lamb. Beauty dime down the field. You get a field goal there to go up two scores. And then you finish the game by getting the ball back with 322 left. And there were so many parts, and I'm combining them all together, just wanting to take the big picture here, Ali, where because the Chiefs took the lead and then the Chiefs got it to one score and there's 322 left, there were so many points where I thought, okay, this is where the Chiefs do get that stop.

48:19This is where the Chiefs get the ball back and then win. But it just kept not happening. And they closed it out by throwing the ball two times in a row on second down, which I think was so important. On one, they get a pass interference. That was to Pickens. On another, they complete the ball to lamb he goes out of bounds but whatever uh they end up finishing out the game and just never give the ball back kind of walk me through what you think of just brian schottenheimer and how dak approached this fourth quarter and finishing out what was a great game plan yeah i think schottenheimer is so dialed in i think that's probably just the best all-around offense in the league just design wise i think it's almost streaks ahead of everyone else at the moment And then where I feel like Schottenheimer is just like taking himself to a whole different level.

49:07We thought about something like the organizational arrogance of Dan Campbell, being able to step back and understand that we need probably three first downs to win a games and maybe end the Chiefs season. It's players, not players in those moments. And we can find ways to get CeeDee Lamb in the slot one on one. That's just what we want. Design is irrelevant. We're just going to go man to man, get our best play of the ball. We'll have the Pickens drive. You mentioned, let's just find a way to get George Pickens isolated. We think he's the best athlete on the field. He was playing like the best athlete on the field.

49:34He's the smoothest athlete maybe in the league right now. And so that's just how we're going to go down swinging. We've done all the fun stuff, all the creativity, all the game plan stuff. And when we've got to have it drive, when it's come from behind territory, what it's going to go to our two best players. That's how we're going to go down. Yeah, CeeDee Lamb finishes with seven for 112 and a touchdown. Pickens has six catches on 13 targets. When I looked at it in the end, I was like, oh, McDuffie got his share of wins. It was especially him in coverage. But ultimately, there were a ton of penalties.

50:03And when you really go through all the numbers and the Cowboys numbers are great. I mean, they finished with 457 yards. They're over 50 percent on third down. Like their numbers are great, but the Chiefs numbers are pretty great, too. And the biggest difference you can really see is the 110 yards of penalties that the Chiefs have 10 penalties for 119 yards. And it did put them in difficult situations on offense. And it did help sustain some of these Cowboy drives. or it was just a desperation ploy because their players aren't as good as the Cowboys. And I know Chiefs fans are mad at Andy Reid right now.

50:36And that's, there could be some reason to be fair, but I also watch this game just thinking like the Cowboys offense is more talented than the Chiefs defense. Oh yeah, they had Spagnuolo in a blender at times. I felt like where he just didn't know what to do, where he's got no pass rush. And yet another primetime game where George Karloftis is just MIA. Every single primetime game, every big game, every time you need him to do something to help your season out. You hand him that ridiculous contract. He puts up a donut every single time, completely irrelevant in a big game. And to be fair to the Chiefs, they kind of sold out to try and force the Cowboys into third and medium, third and long.

51:12And then Dak was just money on third and fourth downs. They had a 62 % success rate on third and fourth downs. That's just a ridiculous number to have at the best of times. It's even crazy to have when that is like the money spags down. That's when he does all the cool spagsy stuff. And the Cowboys just a step ahead the entire evening. So I think the game we just talked about, Packers-Lions, and then this one had some similarities. I meant to mention it with the Packers-Lions. The Lions' blitz rate was more than double the Packers, and the pressure rate was around the same. It was actually better for the Packers.

51:42It was kind of a similar dynamic here. It wasn't quite as severe, but ultimately the Chiefs blitzed almost half the time, and yet they only had a pressure rate of 30%, which was lower than the Cowboys. That's an amazing stat because it's also a Cowboys pass rush stat, which is awesome. Like they had a totally respectable, good pass rush overall without having a blitz like crazy. But Spagnuolo hits that blitz early in the game. It's the first third down and they heat up Dak Prescott and he throws an interception and you're thinking, oh man, this might be a long day. And it was almost like that success early got Spags too cocky or something because he just kept sending stuff the rest of the game.

52:28And after that, like Dak seemed to really have an answer for what they were doing. Yeah, it's interesting. Spags has got Dak a bunch when they've played in their career. Like he has had him and he really does come after him in a way that no one ever goes after Dak Prescott. That way he is a blitz killer. He's so intelligent, so smart. He can identify everything so quickly. And he's old school Brady-esque replace the blitz quote. Wherever the blitz comes from, you just throw the ball behind the guy's head. You move on with the game. And so Spaggs tried to get him with more zone pressure stuff, what you call a hot pressure, which is where the blitz guy goes from.

52:59We drop someone from the defensive line into where the blitz guy came from. So if he replaces the blitzer, Chris Jones or someone is stood there. That's how they tried to get him with that first third down. They get the free runner through Chris Jones drops into that spot. Dagg looks to the other side of the field, thinks it's a blitz when it's Spaggs. Usually it's a man blitz. It's a zone blitz instead. Throws it into a cover two hole and gets picked off. they start trying to toggle back and forth between all that man pressure which is kind of vintage spags and more of these zone pressures and I gotta say to me it's all credit to the offensive line more than Dak it's not a Dak stat if you look at four of them which are really cool designs from Spagnuolo difficult to pick up stuff Dak is not even looking at the side of the field where the pressure is coming from and the Cowboys guys just clean all that stuff up how well they've become tied together when they've got a new left tackle Booker is playing completely out of his mind the last few weeks as a rookie.

53:47It was a really, really impressive Cowboys O-line performance when Spags tried to get really creative. I'm glad he pointed that out because that was something we talked about throughout the offseason. This young offensive line, how do they come together for the Cowboys? Because there was a ceiling there, a lot of high draft picks. And I know Tyler Guyton, their left tackle, is out right now. Nate Thomas filled in for him. And he did give up the most pressure of anyone on the offensive line, but it still was under control. He did not stand out. The rest of the group, Booker, Terrence Steele on the right side, and then you have Cooper Beebe and Tyler Smith.

54:21They've played a lot of games together in a row, and they're playing well. And to your Karlaftis, vicious takedown earlier, 31 pass rushes in this game, one pressure, and it wasn't quick. So fair. It's fair. I was worried because you put NFL Daily, Ali, in your profile now on social media, which I love seeing. I feel proud. But I was worried, you know, now that that's there, are we going to get like a softer version of Ali? And George Kolostos knows that.

54:55Let's listen to CeeDee Lamb after the game. I loved just hearing the Cowboys and seeing the Cowboys loving this moment. What's the message to the whole league as far as your resilience and able to bounce back? and what you can actually do in this game. Keep talking. I see y 'all. That's my message. I see it. I just love like the cockiness too and how they were, you know, they get the turkey leg afterwards and they're sharing the turkey leg. Like two guys biting the same one, which is a little... It's good for team chemistry. I don't think that Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown is sharing turkey legs.

55:27Yeah, not great. Okay, let's talk a little bit about the Chiefs offense because it was a great Mahomes game. Would you go that far and say, great maybe like a very good Patrick Mahomes game like Jared Goff in the losing effort I do think he was very much up for the challenge and we don't have to do the QB wins loss thing because I can think of four or five outstanding plays by Mahomes and maybe he didn't hit every improv play but he hit a lot of them and I think did enough to win this game yeah and he's doing it with all those miscues you mentioned on offense to all the penalties backing them up they're down three linemen right uh midway through the game there's no smith simmons goes out with an injury that looks like that's going to send him to ir the right tackle juan taylor goes out too so doing it under a ton of fire um i gotta say And I'm worried about Andy Reid and I don't want to blaspheme against the football gods, but it is just so strange to watch an Andy Reid team become one of the most predictable offenses in the NFL.

56:28Have some of the most almost laughable tendencies at this point where the good coaches just know everything they're trying to do. And so much of the game every week just feels like Mahomes running for his life. And if it's not magic, nothing is going to happen. We get the play where he almost falls over twice and he throws back down the field. And that just feels like a microcosm for the season where it's just feels such hard work for them all the time. Yeah. Think about how this game could have been a blowout the other way. Not a blowout, but a comfortable win for the Cowboys. They hit the fourth down to take the lead to Rasheed Rice, which is a miracle play by Mahomes and a great catch by Rasheed Rice, who did have a pretty big drop on third down at another point in the game that killed the drive.

57:14but for the most part has come to play the last couple weeks and made big plays. You hit the first touchdown on a fourth down to Travis Kelsey. That was not an easy play at all. That's 14 points right there. You mentioned the play where he is absolutely stumbling before hitting Xavier Worthy, or they're facing a fourth and long, and the game is essentially over. And the touchdown to Marquise Brown, I mean, that's just like a talented play. Patrick Mahomes is awesome, but these were not easy plays by Mahomes. And it is striking that there's like hasn't been a lot of easy buttons. There is something to me that I don't know if this team is tired or Andy Reid's tired.

57:57I mean, the man is 67 years old. They've played a lot of football games and the weight of being the Kansas City Chiefs. It's not like it went away from losing that Super Bowl. I think it's it's still there. And there does seem to be some sort of fatigue factor, maybe mentally as well as physically with this team. There's certainly a lack of ideas. There is still a stunning amount of Kareem Hunt. So much is still built around Travis Kelsey, who I think is moving way better than he did do last year. But I just don't know if that's what you want to, you know, center the offense around at this point.

58:28I just go back to a couple of weeks ago, they played Denver. There's two plays where they motion and Vance Joseph is basically running onto the field to point out to his corner, a corner out is coming. it comes twice when he runs out on the field to do that they face the colts when they get into a certain formation with a certain motion it's the exact same target point of the run game a same side run action six for six times in that game they get to the same look against the cowboys on their third drive they have the two really good drives and they have nothing for four successive drives and the cowboys linebackers hardly you know hall of fame group are almost laughing getting to the line of scrimmage are you kidding me are they going to do this again and there's no payoff play build these actions we're going to run the ball with the same action at the same point over and over again and nothing pays off that's just not andy reed he's usually falling over with all these different ideas he used to have mike kafka on staff digging through like chinese and japanese and lithuanian film to go and find cool plays that they would hit over the head of the las vegas raiders and now it just feels so fatigued and you mentioned the josh simmons injury it's it's a dislocated wrist we don't know when he'll be back but he's going to be out indefinitely and that's that's a huge loss for them.

59:35I mean, they do have a well-paid, good backup in, in left tackle Jalen Moore, but that, that's a big loss for them. And yeah, you mentioned the, the four successive punts that they had. Three of those ended in Dallas territory. So in one hand, like the cat, the chiefs were in this game because they kept hitting four downs. On the other hand, they punted from plus territory from like a fourth and four, I believe it was. And that ended up setting up that George Pickens drive. It's like, there is still a level of conservatism from Andy Reed that, that I find frustrating. Yeah. I believe the surrender index, but that in the 98th percentile of cowardness from Andy Reed and the Cowboys got the yardage back in four place.

1:00:23So it was a very worthwhile. And Patrick Mahomes is your quarterback. You would feel if ever there was a time to be ultra aggressive. So we're now stacking up that they have two of their key offensive pieces are old. then they're more predictable than they've ever been. And then he's being more conservative than he has before. So I think that, and around all that, they actually play really well offensively. All the advanced stats still love them. They're better this season than they were last season. But the margin for error is so thin because of injuries, because the defense has really regressed.

1:00:51Them being league average is a testament to Spaggs, given what's happening on the back end and the lack of a true pass rush. Their only way to impact the quarterback is pray and hope that a five-man zone pressure forces a turnover. It's not even going to get home. It's just, will the quarterback panic with a flash of color and throw the ball towards, or Chris Jones goes ham for four snaps a game? Yeah, and if you want to go down to just the basic stats, but I do think they're telling sometimes. Nine quarterback hits for the Cowboys, three sacks. Couple of them, just when Mahomes is just holding it, trying to make a play.

1:01:24And then on the other side, the Chiefs do not sack Dak Prescott. They do get six quarterback hits in the game, but couldn't get him down. Let's listen to Patrick Mahomes after the game, now 6-6. Just missed opportunities. I mean, just like all the losses we've had this year. We can beat anybody, but, I mean, we've shown that we can lose to anybody. And so we've got to be more consistent. He was kind of, like, dejected, I would say. Like, again, when they played the Broncos and lost that game, like that was a humbling game. This one, when I watched them, I'm not saying it was, like, acceptance, But it was just like, yeah, this is where we are.

1:02:02Like, we're six and six. I don't think their season is over. Certainly, if any team could run the table, it could be them. And they could even maybe afford a seventh loss. But we have reached that point now with these teams that were Super Bowl favorites coming in, like the Lions, like the Chiefs, where it's legit. They might not make the playoffs. Yeah. It's wild. we credit the Mahomes for that answer I guess but he was majorly responsible for losing the Broncos game so he played really well in this game but it's kind of like he gives one back to the defense for having I think cost them the Broncos game it just makes it now the Texans and Chargers doubleheader which is certainly winnable but becomes must win and with the injuries on the offensive line going against the most ferocious passers in the NFL it becomes once again Patrick put the cape on we're out of ideas you got to go figure this out on your own.

1:02:53Yeah, I, you know, Chiefs fans have had a lot of fun over the years. I do like how it sets up this stretch run between these two teams. So yes, now the Cowboys are only a game and a half back of the Eagles. There's a path certainly for the Cowboys to make it as a wild card. If they only lost one more game and they have the Lions next Thursday night, finally, Shooky and I get like a real banger of a Thursday night game. Such a big game for both teams. Even if they lost that Lions game, you look at their last four, they're probably favored in all of them. They could possibly even lose the Lions game, win out, get a wild card.

1:03:31But one and a half back of the Eagles, they have a chance to maybe win the division. The Eagles, though, do have the commanders twice and the Raiders in there. And so the margin is, it's going to be tough to try to pass the Eagles. On the other hand, the Chiefs, they're rooting for everyone in the AFC to keep losing, which is why when they were watching, Baltimore and Cincinnati, if they were watching or checking their phones later that night, they were loving the result. Let's go to Cincinnati. Throwing the shotgun, Pirine to his right. Shotgun snap. Joe under pressure, flings it down the middle of the field.

1:04:07Yossi Bosch leaps at the three and takes it into the end zone. A 28-yard touchdown to Andre Yossi Bosch. and the Bengals lead is back to 11 with a PAT coming up. Oh, I love that throw. And I love the satisfaction that Joe Burrow had after the game talking about that throw. Like everything that he had done to get back was to be in position to set up his guy, Yoshi. The Bengals upset the Ravens 32 to 14. That was Dan Hoard and Dave Lapham on WCKY. why it felt like burrow needed the first half just to warm up a little i mean he still was good but he missed a few throws they settled for a lot of field goals and they had a lead at halftime but in terms of ball location and decision making the second half of that game to me ollie was was like joe burrow had never left yeah i agree with you i mean that throw is so absurd and i feel for roquan smith you can see in his eyes that that is a incredible play from roquan smith he goes from a mugged up spot to kind of matching the route vertically all the way down the field and he looks over like are you kidding me that Joe Burrow has returned only like four guys could make that throw on time uh absurd play I thought he took some time to get warmed up and they just tried to feed to Jamar Chase going into the second half and obviously that's where the the wink-wink connection between those guys come in and you can get more explosive down the field I mean this was a game going into the third quarter given how many turnovers the Ravens had in their own half the the uh Bengals really struggled to convert in the red zone I thought that was where you really saw kind of like a Christmas and fluidity show for Burrow where It has to be done instantaneously at the snap, and you're going from practice speed to game speed, and then he really sped things up in the second half.

1:05:50Yeah, and look, their running game has been better lately. I thought their offensive line had a good game, maybe pointed out the Ravens' lack of a pass rush, and then there were a number of throws to chase that were just huge. A third and seven helped set up a touchdown, just one of those outs of perfect timing that just Joe Burrow makes look easy. He had a bomb to chase in this game that he put everything into and it worked out. And that set up points. I believe that was a field goal drive. And it's kind of like you're getting all the good stuff from Joe Flacco, but without like the crippling interceptions.

1:06:27So that's a big upgrade. But I guess the biggest difference is the Cincinnati Bengals are forcing five turnovers against the Ravens. Like how much of it do you think is the Bengals defense and how much of it was Lamar Jackson and this Ravens offense just having a brutal performance. I thought a mix of both, which I know is a cop-out, but the Bengals' pass rush looked significantly improved, I think, in bar because we're just underrating how poor the Ravens' offensive line is. Lamar, I just thought, I don't know what was happening during that game. Maybe he had too big Thanksgiving dinner or something.

1:06:59I was just not feeling it. I mean, the fumbles where the ball was just coming out, every single fumble was avoidable, not only from the fact the ball slips out of his hands or he makes a poor decision, but there were wide open throws all over the field that he just turned down, which then meant the play was extended, which then caused the fumbles. He was just so out of rhythm. And throughout this run where they've been winning the games, their offense just looked so disjointed and disheveled. I felt throughout the run there is just no rhythm. And they've kind of got away with it through turnover.

1:07:25Look, that they have not turned the ball over during that run. They turned the ball over on Thursday more than they have done at any point during the winning streak. Yeah, it was both a cursed game and like a terrible game. You know, you had the Zay Flowers offensive pass interference, kind of a shaky call. That would have been seven points just taken off the board. You had Isaiah Likely on a catch and run going in for a long score, and DJ Turner knocks it out right at the goal line, and the Bengals get the ball back on a touchdown. That's 14 points. Then again, it's also three points with Lamar just dropping the ball for Cincinnati to kick a field goal before the end of the first half.

1:08:07And maybe the biggest play, or certainly one of the biggest plays the entire game to me, because it set the tone, was him fumbling the ball, kind of running into pressure early in the first quarter on his own goal line and setting up the Bengals. It only ends up being three points, but there was just something about it that it set a spooky mood that they never really got out of. I mean, that crowd was dead, Ali. Not only did they leave with seven minutes to go, they were silent in the whole game. I think they think this Ravens team doesn't have it. And based on the eye test, I think they're right.

1:08:44No, the home crowd always knows and everyone's talking about putting this run together and it's really just a knock on the Steelers, kind of stinking. I mean, that's not accepting that the Steelers kind of stink. They know they've not got the juice, you know? This was just, to me, the most bizarre Lamar game because he looked healthy finally, despite being on the injury report constantly. He was moving pretty well. When he had to take off with his legs, he looked more spry than he has done throughout the win streak. But just from the pocket, some of the decisions were pretty poor. He had no touch or actually down the field, missed some wide open throws, a bunch of turndowns against the flakiest defense you could hope to find that isn't in Vegas.

1:09:19And just choosing not to let the ball go was really quite a bizarre performance. And the weird thing is, is he had a number of great throws. So I know the weather was not good, but I don't think it was like a crazy windy night, but it was cold there. Didn't seem to hurt Burrow too much. And Lamar also had like a number of good throws. If you just isolated the good throws, you were like, okay, he's fine. The throw to likely you mentioned where he gets Jordan Battle, punches the ball out on the goal line is an unbelievable throw. He has another one to likely move into his leg. He somehow does that weird Lamar thing where he just goes into slow motion.

1:09:52Everyone else is moving at double speed and he's able to throw the ball back for a dime into the middle of the field. So it was just a real rollercoaster ride with him. And it's been like that for the offense as a whole. But a lot of it, I think, is being attributed to he's just not moved that well, even within the pocket. He just seems really sludgy. And yet it looked like he had the legs all the way back last night. Both of them are kind of the explosive twitchy movements within the pocket, then being able to break out. And then the accuracy just vanished on him. Yeah, he had to pick up a few first downs with his legs.

1:10:21But yeah, there were just throws he had that he missed. There was a play action shot to Andrews was open, just missed it. He had a third and nine, I believe, to Zay Flowers, killed the drive, just missed it. Like a Rashad Bateman seam ball, which was a tough throw to make, but he missed it by a ton. He like one hop Keaton Mitchell at one point, and he just hasn't been on the same page. And sometimes he needs, you know, Dante's Walker to make a play for him the last couple of weeks. And Tez Walker just refuses to make that play. Let's actually listen to the interception that Lamar Jackson threw late in the game.

1:10:56Because for all of these turnovers, the Bengals were kicking field goals early. And even though they played better late, the Ravens were still in this game. And they did put together a couple of touchdown drives, including some big Derrick Henry plays. Keaton Mitchell also had a touchdown to close the gap in the third quarter. So it wasn't really over until this Lamar interception. huge play here third and nine at the cincinnati 15 the bangles showing pressure they've got seven guys up on the line lamar drops back lamar throws downfield into the end zone unintercepted demetrius knight running it back he's at the 30 35 40 spin move there and tackled around the 45 yard line a tip at the line results in a pick for demetrius knight and the bangles get their fourth takeaway.

1:11:45And yeah, that was more of bad luck for Lamar, maybe not being as aware or moving in the pocket as you would like. But it was a night where Joseph Asai and Miles Murphy were making some plays in the backfield. That's all Bengals fans have wanted. It's just some signs of life out of their pass rush. And Asai had a monster game, two sacks, two quarterback hits, four hurries. And I thought Murphy was back there too. It didn't quite show up on the stat sheet, but I just thought he was active, giving them something where, I don't know, this division's pretty rough, Ali. Like, do you have any faith maybe that this defense could turn it around a little bit?

1:12:22No. I think there are just disaster spots everywhere. That's so funny because it's a disaster zone in every single position. Then DJ Turner's just an all-pro player. It's just DJ does his own thing. Everyone else is a complete mess. Asai did play well. I thought Murphy was really active. I'm surprised he didn't show up more in the stats sheet. Like five hurries, but yeah. And I think it was some run stuffs and everything, but like I was surprised he didn't hit Lamar, but you're right. It did show up a little bit too. And grading on that typical curve, I guess that would be A++ effort. Yeah. Okay.

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1:18:04It gives me that Bengals postgame heat, and he always has great perspective. And after last week, they were just talking, okay, the season's over. The season's over. And then after this one, it's like, I don't know. The Ravens are pretty bad. They get to play them again in a couple weeks. I don't trust the Bengals to rip off a ton of wins, including playing in Buffalo next week. That's the problem. But you could see a scenario where the Steelers and the Ravens lose enough that could eight wins be enough to make the playoffs in this division? Could nine wins be enough? If Joe Burrow keeps playing like this, he's got a chance.

1:18:40Let's actually listen to his first touchdown back from injury. Now P. Ryan moves back a few steps and lines up to Burrow's left. Joe is ready. Catches the shotgun snap. begins scrambling right burrow throwing downfield for hudson he's got it wow touchdown bangles what an adjustment to the ball by hudson and he knocks over the back right pylon for a 14-yard touchdown joe burrow's first since returning from the toe injury pick on the tanner hudson versus kyle hamilton in great coverage matchup and actually get a completion like you're cooking with gas that was an incredible play unbelievable play i want to say too i think that their offensive line who takes a ton of flack understandably has actually been pretty good now for a couple of months again grading on the bengals curve with trying to figure out how could they put some kind of run together i think it's going to go through how the offensive line can hold up i thought they really handled all the different looks and pressures and fake outs that the bengals tried to send their way and if you just give borrow even a split second of extra time that he's used to having that's when you can do stuff like dice people ball move slightly and and be able to have enough time to get the throw and they've been mashing people with the run i mean they're third in success right since week six and so you go in that that bills game next week that is a perfect profile to have like a 50 burger 50 burger off between these two teams man i hate to give you know zach taylor too much credit first of all this is setting up not that i thought zach taylor or there was going to be some regime change necessarily anyways but this is absolutely setting up for them to play well down the stretch and Mike Brown just to run everything back that's a big picture look but I don't know and I think that the the birdies are tweeting that Joe Brady and Joe Burrow might want to have a little rendezvous back in Cincinnati I think that's very much still on the table the thing with Taylor that's funny is everyone always says what does he do and that's totally fair question I got no idea what this guy does Monday to Friday what he does do every time Burrow goes down is completely over all the offense but it's delayed by like three weeks he like runs on a lag he can't accept that he just mourns that burrow is out even though he's used to it at this point so they overall it that stuff usually works pretty well then joe comes back and joe's like runs it for a half and is like i'm good with all that crap let's get to throw all that stuff out let's go back to the joe burrow offense i would like them to keep as much of the run game elements that have really been singing over the past month keep it in there with burrow although i think that tail is a bit of a pushover and burrow will get to do his thing well that's the thing yeah burrow just feels like he's running this organization and you know why not i trust him over uh probably anyone else in the building i guess uh that's talk about singing i like those ollie birds singing and uh i was gonna i was gonna give taylor credit too because i almost feel like with these tight ends it's drew sample it's noah fant it's tanner hudson who by the way the very play before made an incredible play as a cornerback to I think get the ball away it was the same matchup from Kyle Hamilton on what could have been an interception so shout out to Tanner Hudson and Gasicki like they're almost Rams light a little bit with these like four tight ends that it's like not huge production but they just seem like they're effective in adding layers to the the offense and the offense has been pretty good more than pretty good and Burrow will cast them aside within two weeks when he gets back to playing how he wants to play it's fair um okay uh we've done it i don't know if we got through all of your notes we have to give just one last note the the best announcer over two beautiful glorious football days was jason garrett what a comeback for jason garrett what a comeback and i know people are thinking wait i heard him on notadema nbc where it sounded like he was throwing up on himself was panicked the entire time last year pretty good on Thanksgiving this year absolutely elite now this is coming from a guy who loves Troy Aikman I know Troy Aikman is divisive I think Aikman is by far the best in the business I thought Garrett was exceptional in having the innate ability to understand every single thing that happened on a play in real time it is so impossibly tough to do that we've been at games and call games it is so hard to be able to see both the coverage and the rush and the protection and the route concept somehow he can internalize it instantly and point stuff out that is proven when they go back to the replay.

1:22:55Oh, he's exactly right on how the play unfolded. I mean, to defend us on TalkSport, you know, they got the like replay monitors right away. They got the spotters and everything. So, you know, step up, Will Gavin. Let's up the budget here and we could be giving you that level analysis. I love that. I don't know if I'll go back to check that out. The Ravens-Bengals game was the one I did not watch live until the fourth quarter. And even then, my family, you know, We had them all over last night. We sat down for dinner right about as that game started. And so I watched that back this morning. But that's great to hear.

1:23:32I did think he was good. Some guys are better doing the game by far, even though it's a harder job on some level than the studio, which I get. The studio is sterile and the job kind of sucks. You're just saying 15 seconds. Like, if you're good in studio, it's like a, it's hard to do that. And Jason Garrett, you're right. Like, he never says anything in the studio. But I know for a fact some hires up at NBC listen to this show. So maybe. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Take the charismalist man out of the arena that asks him to have charisma and let the ball coach call ball plays in real time. That seems pretty sensible to me.

1:24:05I do think that makes sense. Although Chris Collinsworth, I do think is great at seeing the whole picture in the moment. Not quite. Maybe not Troy Aikman. Aikman is so streaks ahead of everyone else. It's not fair. He's a quarterback. Unfair advantage. Okay, I don't know if we got to all 4 ,000 pages of your notes, and we're fired up. I'm going to listen to one last thing about Joe Burrow, by the way. I wanted to hear him post-game. He was about as close to emotional as I would say Joe Burrow ever gets. Certainly hasn't been easy on me through six years from a lot of different angles, but I've worked really hard to put myself in position to be back out there.

1:24:49and a lot of people around me have done the same. There's no better feeling than that. Putting in work for a long time and going out and it paying off, there's just no feeling like going out in front of the world with a group of guys that work really hard to go try to win games and going out and putting on a good performance and winning that game. he was reflective and like it was it was a lot he said he mentioned the last six years have been tough with the injuries for a competitor like that to have to miss so many time so much time like this season has not been the same without him for all of us but i'm sure has been absolutely brutal for him so it was a it was a cool moment i don't know how you can't love a guy with that flow and that coat just getting emotional throwing darts to tanner hudson guy lameter football's the best uh yeah eric lets us know your reaction to the coat off camera because we were showing it was just fantastic it is amazing for that that big of a badass to be wearing that badass of a coat i mean he's our joe nameth he just has to stay healthy you know um like when when he had when he hit that first touchdown or no it was actually the yosef us touchdown and i think if you're watching us on youtube we love you subscribe like we'll be back on sunday night You can actually see his reaction after hitting that touchdown of him just slamming himself in the chest and in the head saying, you're going to send a six-man pressure on me?

1:26:25I'm going to make you pay. And he said after the game how they've been repping that exact play over and over all season, even when he was not in the lineup. Everyone check out the read optional, Ali. I saw you got a Black Friday special. So this is the time to do it. $50. Come on now. Come on now. That's$50 for a year? The read optional? Amazing. Yeah, that's the whole year. And that's Ollie's great writing. And so he'll be using about maybe 3 ,500 of those 4 ,000 words of notes in terms of his writing. And then you can also check out his great podcast with John Ledyard if you subscribe there too.

1:27:03If you subscribe to this podcast feed, you will hear us again on Sunday night. So normally Ollie and I are going to be doing Saturdays moving forward. But it was a pleasure, Ollie, to have you recapping, I think, the biggest two days of the NFL season so far. So hopefully Sunday can top it. A lot of pressure. I'll be back in the studio with Jordan Roderick and Patrick Claiborne. Your guy, Shook, will be live from Cleveland. We will see you then.

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