Things That Make You Go Hmmm and What Could Stop The Eagles?

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20:39One receiver left is A.J. Brown. Barkley stays in, picks up, a big blitz pickup. Ball goes down the right side. Into the arms of Jahan Dodson. And that will be an Eagles touchdown! Now, huge play down that right-hand side to the former Washington receiver. Saquon Barkley picking up the blitz, left in man coverage down the field. Dotson just beat his man on the outside on a simple throw to open the scoring. First big blitz that's back now. Oh, I know that voice. Saquon is ready for it. Jalen Hurts is ready for it. And how about Jahan Dotson? One-on-one coverage. We haven't seen him make a big play in months.

21:17and he gets the first touchdown for the Super Bowl. He was saving it for you, Greg. Oh, wow. That was Will Gavin and myself on Talk Sport.

21:28Jourdan Rodrigue:Funny how that works, you know? Wish I had just a part of that callback because Jahad Dotson did have a big play in the NFC Championship. But neither here nor there, that was a lot of fun. And that was a great night for all of Philadelphia. And that includes our next two guests, Bo Wolfe and Zach Berman from the all PHLY show. What a night that was for you guys. And it is just all optimism here. And if you're watching on YouTube, this is the first ever dueling studio shot we've ever had. And you guys look beautiful. You look like you're in shape for training camp. Well, thank you very much. All the credit goes to Julia, our producer for making that happen.

22:10But yeah, I told you that it's like we're playing doubles tennis here. We got a little ping pong going on. Okay, don't bring up tennis. Greg stretched beforehand. Bo Wolfe, he beat me. He beat me in Arizona before the Super Bowl a couple years ago. Big serve. I wasn't ready. That's why he brought it up. He wouldn't have brought it up otherwise. It was not the big serve. It was competitive. And yes, love having Zach on the show.

22:32Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I was going to say, hey, Zach, you and I are also here. Yeah. It's good to see you. Yeah, old co-workers. Everyone's... Bo always just tried to angle Zach out because he's a power player. So it's hope season, right? And we just heard the end of one of the best performances in Super Bowl history, in my mind, by the Philadelphia Eagles, just putting it on that Chiefs team. And we're all optimism here. We're going through everything that's going to go right. But the reality is the rest of the league is rooting for your downfall and the Eagles' downfall. Because when the Eagles do well, you guys do well too.

23:06Not that you're rooting for them. And so I thought maybe we'd structure this segment at least to start about what could go wrong for the Eagles. I want to hear actually from Zach. You're out there each and every day. What is the one thing you think could go wrong for the Eagles this year that would not allow them to get back to the Super Bowl? I would say the pass rush. If the pass rush is not what it needs to be because there are questions on the edge, right? That's really my big question about this team. They lose Josh Sweat. They lose Brandon Graham. they trade Bryce Huff and they're relying on Nolan Smith and Jalex Hunt taking a big jump and then some free agent acquisitions and really their interior rush to be big factors.

23:53So I think that if the pass rush isn't good enough, that's my biggest question going into the season.

23:58Jourdan Rodrigue:Outside of the starting group, who among that defensive line are you not only expecting to take a step forward, but needs to take a step forward this year in order to actually bring that unit to life again? Yeah, the two names I would really point out is on the edge, JLX Hunt. Well, I know he's the starting group, but then on the interior, Mauro Ojimo is a big time player for them. He's filling in for Milton Williams. So he's a starter as well. And so it really comes down to players who were role players last year, filling in for Josh Sweat, filling in for Milton Williams. If you look at the depth, either Josh Uche or Aziz Ojolari needs to step into that number three job, but it's really going to be the top edge rushers because Vic Fangio doesn't have that four-man, five-man rotation that the Eagles have had in the past.

24:49So it's really about the top five, six players on that front getting to the quarterback. Feel free to just interrupt him, Beau, like you do on your show. It will not surprise you if you've listened to our show to know that I disagree with Zach. To me, the biggest question mark is the secondary because you think about the defense last season, you know, the Super Bowl was one thing. It was great to see Josh Swett and Milton Williams have those monster games, but that was the best defense in football, not because they had a great pass rush. It was the best defense in football because they had an unbelievable back seven and especially the best secondary in football, thanks in large part to, you know, Cooper DeGene and Quinone Mitchell being so good as rookies.

25:29And there were no weak links. right now the way they stand there are maybe three weak links in the secondary depending on where guys are going to play you've got quinion mitchell who has looked amazing in camp thus far and could be you know in like all pro conversation you've got reed blankenship penciled in as one of the starters at safety as a solid player then it's like okay cooper de jean is going to be on the field we don't know where yet is it going to be at safety is it going to be at nickel is it going to be the other outside corner spot probably not and then you've got keely ringo and adori jackson right now competing for the other spot.

26:01And second round pick Drew Makuba was supposed to probably start at safety next to Blankenship, but he's injured right now. And you know that for rookies at that position with Vic Fangio, missing time is going to matter. And so that is a question mark. And if the secondary is not as good as it was last year, and if teams are just peppering whoever that other corner is, then the rush is going to have less time to get home. If the secondary is as good as it was last year, which is a high mark, then I'm not worried about the pass rush. You've still got Jalen Carter. You've still got Nolan Smith. I think Jalex Hunt will be fine.

26:33And Mauro Ojomo, the Eagles do think can be like 90 % of what Milton Williams was. So to me, it's much more about the secondary. It's a lot of Ojomo talk on your podcast, a lot of pop, how well he's looked, a lot of talk about his name pronunciation change. Also, if you disagree with Zach there, you could point out that one of Zach's points to support that the defensive, you know, the edge spot is a big issue is that Bryce Huff is no longer there, which seems like, I feel like they can replace those snaps. Yeah, that's really the key to the Eagle season, that Bryce Huff trade.

27:06Jourdan Rodrigue:I wanted to ask you guys too about, you mentioned it, Bo, in your point about the secondary, Cooper DeGene, again, trying on different hats in this defense. And I think we were really high on him as a collective four group here, double studios four group, about the versatility that he had and then also how he was going to really ascend into that big nickel star slot, hybrid safety slot player that he was last year. But do you think that there's a potential here because you're really not wanting to isolate one of those unknowns at corner on the outside? Do you think there's a potential here that this is a more matchup derived role for him moving forward?

27:46Jourdan Rodrigue:Some games, say they're playing a really good tight end or a couple, you see him back a little bit closer to the box. You see him in the slot. Maybe some games you see him back deeper at safety if they have a good, a really good explosive passing game with receivers. I mean, how do you see this sort of shaking out for Cooper, who, humblebrag, came on to the show after the Super Bowl to talk with us? That's right. Yeah. It is probably the most fascinating question about the defense heading into this season. I'm honored. Joe has talked about it probably is not about what is best for Cooper DeGene.

28:22It is about what is best for the rest of the defense. And by that, he means who are the other guys who are going to be on the field, right? And so if Drew Makuba was going to be ready, then you can probably just keep Cooper DeGene in the nickel when they're in nickel. And, you know, you know, he brings so much versatility. He was he was great for them last year so that they could stay in nickel against heavy fronts because he was so good in the box. There's a thought that, you know, in the spring, he took some reps outside in base. If if the Eagles have more confidence in Makuba, for instance, than Keely Ringo or Adoree Jackson, that's where he would be.

28:54But the larger conversation about like Cooper's versatility goes to one that Zach and I have also disagreed about over the years. And that is like the value of a positionless player, as Zach calls it. You know, Zach loves an Isaiah Simmons. The idea that like this guy can just roam around on the defense. Oh, we're getting Isaiah Simmons hype in the year 2025 in Packers camp, every training camp. Because you know who looks great like in training camp before real football is played? Like Isaiah Simmons.

29:21Jourdan Rodrigue:Okay, but if it doesn't work, then you have the Isaiah Simmons journey with the Cardinals. If it does work, then you have the Buddha Baker journey under a Vic Fangio disciple, Jonathan Gannon. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Well, to me, what this goes to is all of this theory is great until it comes time to have a game plan for a week. And the defensive coordinators need a guy to play a position. And if you think about the Vic Fangio defense last year, what was so great about it was they had like, they had 11 guys who were on the field and they didn't really have to rotate a ton.

29:50And they all knew exactly where they were supposed to be. And so to me, it is Cooper DeGene is probably right now their best or second best safety, their best nickel, and probably their second best outside corner. And he can play all of those different positions, but he's going to play those positions. He's not going to be like freelancing around. And so to the matchup question that you asked, Jordan, I think that Quinion Mitchell is actually the guy here because we have seen him. Last year, he played all on the right side. throughout most of the summer and the spring. He's worked on the left side to prepare for the possibility that he's going to be shadowing number one receivers, especially because they're going to be weak on the other cornerback spot.

30:28And last summer, we saw Quinion play inside as well before he earned that outside job. So I think the matchup thing here is that maybe Quinion is going to be following guys, and then you just figure out which position Cooper DeGene is going to play. But go ahead, Zach. No, I think you put it well. I think that there's probably a better term than positionless, multi-position. Position full. I agree with Jordan that there are certain weeks when the matchup's favorable. You think about someone like Marlon Humphrey who can line up in the slot, line up outside. That could be a comp for Cooper DeGene.

31:02You could also look at Devin McCourty's career trajectory as something that Cooper DeGene could do where he slides to safety and he's so impactful there. I mean, he is such a valuable player for them. I also think, and this isn't a 2025 question, but long-term, the Eagles need to think, like, what's the most valuable spot for him? If he can be a top outside corner, as we've seen, that's a$25,$30 million position, right? So, I mean, this is not a Vic Fangio question. That's a Howie Roseman question. Yeah. The Cooper DeJean's agent question. Yeah. But I'm fascinated to see where Cooper is long-term.

31:37Yeah, because you guys doubted. I heard, you know, you were putting some shade on that. He got ranked. you were surprised in the top 70 from the players. He was 60. I thought that was wild. He's not a better player than Jordan Maialata. I mean, that's fair, but that's Maialata's ranking. Like, that didn't seem that crazy to me. You guys were there. Zach, you literally wrote the book on the Eagles championship season. Everyone should check out Leap Year when it comes out. But I mean, the defense just completely changed because I do think one of the bigger questions, and I don't want to spend the whole time on DeGene.

32:07I want to hear what you guys have seen on the ground too. But to wrap DeGene, I do think one of the bigger questions with him is not just where he's playing, but his rookie season was so unique. Like he there is an argument that he could potentially be on like a defensive player of the year type of player, all pro year after year, Hall of Fame type of trajectory. Because I just haven't seen many players in the secondary have that kind of rookie season. And yet you guys are poo pooing that he's even like a top seven.

32:33Jourdan Rodrigue:And I think what they're saying, and I'm kind of parsing this from Bo because he brought up a really good point here is I think it's a two part question. it's Cooper DeGene and Quinjon Mitchell. And I think the big question, which then leads to a million more questions, obviously, as we watch this defense, this version of the defense unfold is, how do you make both of those guys unavoidable players when quarterbacks do not want to throw to them? How do you get them in the action and at the ball and involved in as many snaps as possible when quarterbacks do not want to F with them at all? So how, it's a two-part question in my mind and it's not just Cooper, it's also Quinjon Mitchell as a very, very strong part of that.

33:10See, I'm going to throw it back to you guys thinking, like, it's more of a social thing. I heard Bo even say it, like, maybe players are overrating him because they're so excited to see a white cornerback. But I think you're going the other way and you're almost, like, afraid to rate him for what a unique rookie season that he had because, like, you know, you don't want to just overhype the old guy.

33:29Jourdan Rodrigue:This is a trap, Bo. Just don't respond. This is a trap. No, no, no, yeah, no. I was very surprised that he ranked that high knowing how that process works. Well, that process is meaningless, let's be real. It's just kind of ridiculous. You know, they pop into the locker rooms and the guys have like 15 minutes. They're like, I'm going to rank you here. You rank me here. Let's talk about it. I was surprised that before even the Super Bowl, when he has that pick six, that the rest of the league would have viewed him so high. And honestly, I do think part of that is because of the visibility of him being a white cornerback.

33:58Not to say that he is not awesome. Okay. Yeah, I don't think that has much to do with it. I think it has more to do with how unique of a player he is. And that's why, frankly, you know, to like to address Jordan's point, Quinion Mitchell is so sticky in coverage. He's he's not as dynamic in terms of his ball skills. He's not as physical a player. So I want Cooper around the ball more. So in the slot or safety. And I want Quinion to be on the outside, shutting down the opposing team's top receiver. See, this would be a fun show in the top 100. Yeah. I like that you're bringing up the Quinion that they're they're a pair because when else has it happened?

34:34Jourdan Rodrigue:that he's a runner up for defensive rookie of the year. When else has it happened that two guys in the same secondary are top three? Nobody in the locker room would tell you that Cooper Dugin was better than Quinlan Mitchell last year. Okay. I'm saying they're very much connected in my opinion. But you have to, that's the thing. It's deployment. That's the big question is make them both together the same part of the same side of the equation. Make them both together as unavoidable a tandem as you can. It's going to be cool to watch. And I do think from a like, how does Howie Roseman keep getting away with it standpoint?

35:03point it is fair to point out that when they took quinnon mitchell they were like debating to the last second do we take quinnon mitchell or cooper de jean and why not both right and the rest of the league let them let them have it like you know that that is a that is a real thing you know there's the video of jeffrey leary when they draft cooper de jean saying he went to bed last night thinking about how can we make this happen how can we get you so uh he was very much the the white corner of their dreams. And speaking of, you know, great tandems, I like that Zach was polite and understood that Jordan's point was fantastic and he addressed Jordan's point.

35:42Jourdan Rodrigue:Thank you, Zach. Whereas Bo and I are just trying to like annoy our co-hosts at all times and not actually addressing those points. So I think we could work well as a foursome and we are. I want to hear from you. There's a formula here. Yep. I agree. I agree. I want to I want to hear Zach about some things that you guys have seen there at camp that the average fan Eagles fan or just nationally wouldn't be privy to that you're seeing on the field. Jihad Jihad Campbell is out there. That was like a nice surprise nationally, like whatever, wherever you want to go on, like what you're seeing out there.

36:19That's been eye opening. yeah so so like i guess to answer this question well i need to go with non-high profile players because i i could say aj brown looks really good and i don't think your audience wait let me write that down let me write that

36:32Jourdan Rodrigue:down that's important i do like hearing that though like i do like hearing that him and quignot are going at it like that's exciting but no i'd have to be a little more under the radar like john campbell is definitely one that i'm curious exactly day one of training camp seeing jihad campbell out there was a bit of a surprise we didn't know Well, first off, Vic Fangio said it was going to be August. And then here it is in mid-July, and he's out there. He's working up the depth chart now. Week one seems not just realistic, but I expect him to be a starter in week one. And maybe it's just because I've covered the Eagles for 14 seasons now that I'm not used to seeing linebackers who look and play like this.

37:10I saw Jordan Hicks and Nigel Bradham and the late career D 'Amico Ryans, obviously Zach Bond last year. but the Eagles aren't known for a high-level linebacker play. Jihad Campbell just looks different. The length that he has, the speed in which he plays with, and he's still learning and he's still rehabbing here, but his presence is evident out there, so that's one. And then the other one, and I mentioned this earlier, is that Mauro Ojomo is so disruptive for the Eagles. Jalen Carter hasn't been in team drills yet, and you just see how on that defensive interior, you see the way Mauro Ogimo's playing.

37:49Now, the caveat is he's going against Tyler Steen, and Tyler Steen's the big question on the Eagles offensive line. Really, they have four all-pro, pro-bowl caliber linemen, and then a right guard question. So Tyler Steen, this is something Bo talks about in my six years doing a show with him, is in these training camp settings, is it the player who's playing well, is that good? or the player he's playing against is struggling. And so I'm fascinated to see how the right guard situation shakes out.

38:16Jourdan Rodrigue:It's interesting to me because I, John Campbell, you almost have to understand what all he can do if you're Vic Fangio and his coaching staff. And like, okay, can he move around, for example? Because they're pretty good. They're going to be fine at inside linebacker in the foreseeable future. But like, can he move around? Do you expect, I mean, if like you mentioned at the top of the show, if this pass rush doesn't quite pop the way that they want it to, if they don't have that extra player so they can rotate their fronts the way that they want them to, is he a player who you could see moving around?

38:50Jourdan Rodrigue:He was one of our favorite prospects coming out in the draft for that reason, because you really saw limitless potential with where you could play him. Well, and it's interesting because the ceiling for Jihad Campbell, like the upside, feels like Zach Bond being able to do everything and have that physical presence. And so in the dreams of Vic Fangio, having the ability to have both of those guys on the field at the same time, both being able to do everything does feel like it unlocks some things. And Howie Roseman, you talk about the versatility when they drafted him. He threw the Micah Parsons comp on him.

39:29And by the way, that's the second time this offseason somebody from the Eagles has done that. Jordan Mailata just threw that to Jalex Hunt earlier this summer. I wonder if that's like a needle poke, a purposeful needle poke from the Eagles to the Cowboys. But with Jahad Campbell, he's been given a little bit more to do every day at camp so far. So, you know, he starts working with the twos and he starts getting sprinkled in with the ones. Yesterday or Tuesday's practice, we saw him practice like calling the plays with the defense for the first time with Zach Bond off the field for the day. And so, yeah, my expectation is that come week one, those two guys are going to be on the field together on every down.

40:05and Vic is going to have some interesting stuff for them to do. I love that Zach Bond, if you had told me a year ago that Zach Bond would have this sort of impact, not just that he got that big contract and that he was so key to winning the Super Bowl, but literally I think the rest of the league is thinking about linebackers in a way that your inside linebackers better be able to be part of the pass rush or else you kind of can't keep them on the field anymore. And Jahad Campbell, I do wonder if he could be like a Donta Hightower type of player. I know he's not nearly as big, but I'm excited.

40:35That makes me think about Vic.

40:37Jourdan Rodrigue:The dreams of Vic Fangio, though, said. I know. My question for you guys, is Vic Fangio the last honest, notable NFL coach at the podium? I think so. And it is such a pleasure. I love him so much. So to take you through it, we had one day's practice where like Keely Ringo and Adore Jackson had been sort of rotating every other drill, essentially, as who was going to be the first team outside cornerback. And on Monday, Adore Jackson got more of the reps. It seemed like it had changed a little bit and it was maybe going in his favor. And so the questions to Vic Fangio the morning before the next practice, he's asked about Adore Jackson as if that's the way that the competition's going.

41:21And like, he could not have thrown more cold water on Adore Jackson if he was on fire. Like, no, he's talking about, listen, this guy, he's got to prove who he thinks he can be. Like the Titans didn't re-sign him. The Giants didn't re-sign him. I didn't even watch tape on him. Howie Roseman said he wanted him. Howie gets who he wants. Like, I mean, he's talking about him the way that he talked about Devin White and Bryce Huff last summer. And so, like, all of a sudden, Keeler Ringo gets all the reps yesterday. Maybe not so fast with Adoree Jackson. Yeah, my answer to that question is I hope not.

41:53I'm 39 years old. I've been doing this for a long time. So I hope he's not the last coach who answers this. Well, I think what you need is maybe he's the last one right now. But when the other guys get older, it's just that then they can stop caring too. I'm an optimist by nature. So my hope is that other coaches see that if you're a matter of fact, if you say publicly what you say behind the scenes, he still won a Super Bowl. He had the number one defense. It didn't hurt him to be transparent. I want to believe that, but that will not happen.

42:24Jourdan Rodrigue:But can't you see... It's a good stump speech though. Can't you see this blowing up? And I don't know if you have more of Vic's stories, Zach, But hearing that, hearing him basically say, well, that's like a Howie guy. It's not one of my guys. Like the fact that he's feeling willing to say that publicly, my mind immediately fast forward to the moment where this all at some point things have to go wrong. And there will be some sort of Vic Howie clash. Maybe it's in like 2028. Like it might not be for a long while, but I do look forward to the day that like Vic just says something that is the entire storyline in Philadelphia for weeks on end.

42:57I gotta say though, they spent$17 million on a linebacker. They took a linebacker in the first round this year. They're not rotating edge rushers like they did in the past. I think Howie is all in on the Vic Fangio experience right now.

43:12Jourdan Rodrigue:He's being changed for good. And for the national fans who don't know this story, the funniest thing of the Vic-Howie interplay is the story of Zach Bond from last year, where Vic tells the story basically that how he brings him, you know, tape of Zach Bond, like this guy's going to be a good special teams player for us, maybe like a fourth edge rusher will help out there. And Vic watches like two minutes of tape. He's like, oh, this is going to be my starting inside linebacker. Okay. Right. And never gave the other guys a chance and just was there the whole time and meant what he said. I love it.

43:44Jourdan Rodrigue:Oh my gosh. I love it. Okay. So you guys, because coming back from, you know, the highest of highs and we've seen this team compete at the very highest level, we've seen them lose a Super Bowl. We've seen, we saw the entire season unfold like a slow moving car crash after that. And then they rebounded and won the entire thing. This is a Jalen hurts offensive line, Saquon Barkley receivers question, but it's also an ecosystem question as well. What did this group learn from the last post Superbowl appearance that, or if they've learned anything that they can apply first and foremost to the offensive side of the ball, but then also to the general dynamic and energy of the team?

44:27Yeah, it's a great question because it's something I've thought a lot about. And I think you look at this from front office. You keep giving her a great question, best questions of the day, best questions possible. I'm not getting anything over here. What if they're good questions? My antenna is up there too. It's like this is pre-planned. So 2018 was considerably different in that, you know, the quarterback was coming off a major injury. It was an older team. and so I think the roster composition, the resources that they have, it's considerably different there. But I think from, you know, and then you can even see in like their approach in 2018, Doug Peterson's message was this is the new normal, right?

45:05And actually like a few days before the season, Malcolm Jenkins even told Doug Peterson to take all the Super Bowl stuff out of the locker room. They were clinging on too much. The message from the Eagles very much now is that was last year. They're not even defending champs. But from an offensive perspective, I think what I'm real curious to see is how much they lean into what they did last year compared to how much they evolve. So if you think about 2022 going into 2023, the offense did not evolve. The offense, what they tried to do was refine what they did well the year before. And it was not a good offense or not a consistent offense in 2023.

45:46Nick Sirianni has spoken quite a bit right now about evolution. And so I really think that I expect them to pass the ball more. I expect them to be more dynamic through the air. And there are Eagles fans who say, wait, you have Saquon Barkley. You have the best offensive line in the NFL. Why not just stick to what they did last year? I don't expect that to be the case. I think this is going to be an offense that evolves from last season. Yeah, I think it's going to be marginal. I think they're still going to want to lean mostly on Saquon Barkley, but they need to take more shots downfield than they did last season.

46:20You know, Jalen Hurts is so good at throwing the ball downfield, and that was his lowest percentage in his career in throwing the ball 20 yards or more downfield. A.J. Brown needs the ball a little bit more. He spoke earlier this offseason at the beginning of camp. He's like, listen, I think I'm the best receiver in football. I want to put a stamp on it this year, but I also want to do what's best for the team, and I will. And that is a tough thing for him, not in like a locker room drama standpoint, but in a he thinks he's the best receiver in football. I don't disagree with him. Every time they throw him the ball, it's going to be a good result.

46:49You know, his yards per target is higher than Saquon Barkley's yards per carry. But the team is built a certain way and they want to lead on that offensive line. And that's and that's reasonable. I do think, you know, it is interesting compared to two years ago. We spent so much time talking about what is the defense, the offense going to look like with a new offensive coordinator and Brian Johnson. Jalen Hurts has another new offensive coordinator again. This happens to him every year. And we haven't talked a lot about Kevin Petulo. It hasn't really been a big story in Philadelphia yet. And I don't know if that is because he and Sirianni are so closely linked.

47:20And you think back to what went wrong in 2023. Some of it was that I don't think that Nick Sirianni fully trusted just handing over the keys to the offense to Brian Johnson. And he was incentivized in his mind to meddle a little bit more and be more involved in the offense. I think that will be less the case because Petulo is his guy. And I also think, you know, maybe just the lessons of what happened in 2023 matter. But the other truth is that more than it's Nick Sirianni's offense and Kevin Petulo's offense, it's Jalen Hurts' offense. And I think you're still going to see sort of the same target distribution that you have always seen under Jalen Hurts.

47:55And it's going to come down to what he does more so than what Petulo does. And it was a mediocre offense for most of last year. That's the craziest thing to me. It was 13th in efficiency, according to DVOA. And then you see Jalen Hurts at his very best, obviously, in those two Super Bowls, in the NFC Championship. And it has such a high ceiling. So there's so much room for improvement. I think that's reason to be happy. But you said it hasn't been a big story. I mean, Kevin Petula will be a big story like September 5th. If they have a bad offensive opening night, then suddenly it's the biggest story in town.

48:28You guys are the best at what you do. I love listening to you. check out the PHLY Eagles podcast. Check out Zach Berman's writing wherever it is. And yeah, Jordan played high school tennis. So I'm feeling good. If we get out there.

48:44Jourdan Rodrigue:I was the two spot. It is on. I know you're not supposed to root, but root for the Eagles to get back. And then somewhere in the San Francisco area. We're going to be there anyway. Okay, then we're doing it. It's happening. Zach. You don't get a studio like that and not go to Super Bowls. Start practicing. Start practicing. We'll see you guys. Appreciate you. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thanks, guys. That was great. Never get tired of talking to them. I love them so much. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. How excited did you get hearing about Chad Campbell? I got goosebumps. I'm so freaking stoked. That's awesome.

49:17And he will be playing in the preseason. And yeah, we're going to have you covered all preseason long with our takeaways every Sunday night, me and Shook. But we still got a little time. Yes. Our next show is going to be the first fantasy football show of the season. We're going to do a primer with two of the best in the game, Evan Silva and Pat Daugherty, two of my former co-workers at Road to War. But we'll also have a little update from the Hall of Fame game to start the show. Yes, that's right. Our next show is actually going to recap a football game being played in America on a football field.

49:53Football's back!

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50:36The entire draft room groans because you just took the guy they wanted. There's no better feeling than crushing your fantasy football league. I'm JJ Zacharyson, host of the award-winning Late Round Podcast. Before your draft, our Players to Target and Players to Avoid episodes tell you exactly who to circle and who to cross off. Listen to the Late Round Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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