Travis Hunter Out For Season, Describing Every Team in 5 Words or Less, LaFleur's Job Security

12 Nov 2025 · 55 min · 27 chapters

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In short

NFL Daily episode covers two main news items and then a long “describe every NFL team in 5 words or less” game. First, they discuss Jaguars rookie/dual-threat Travis Hunter: he’s out for the rest of the season due to knee surgery, after hopes he’d return around short-term injured reserve. Guests argue this is a tough early start, but still believe Hunter can become an NFL cornerback and receiver; they note Jacksonville traded for Jacoby Myers and Hunter’s best game came before the injury. Second, they debate Packers coach Matt LaFleur’s job security after a rough Monday night game, referencing reporting that new team president Ed Policy didn’t extend LaFleur or GM Brian Gutekunst before the season, creating a “contract-year” pressure dynamic. They cite offensive slow starts (e.g., 7 first-half points vs Panthers) and praise defensive adjustments and candidate Jeff Hafley.

Guests

Colleen Wolfe, Jordan Rodrigue, and Kalyana Grande (plus references to Chris Wessling studio; Travis Hunter/Jaguars, Matt Schneidman, Ian Rapoport, and producer Eric Roberts are mentioned).

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Chapters

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Travis Hunter's Injury Update

1:04 to 1:14

Discussing the implications of Travis Hunter's season-ending injury.

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Travis Hunter's Injury Update

1:25 to 1:52

Discussing the implications of Travis Hunter's season-ending injury.

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Travis Hunter's Injury Update

3:21 to 4:33

Discussing the implications of Travis Hunter's season-ending injury.

“And we'll talk a little TNF preview on the back end.”

Expectations for Travis Hunter

4:33 to 6:46

Exploring expectations and future potential for Travis Hunter.

“I just think it's a really tough start to season.”

Matt LaFleur's Coaching Situation

6:46 to 11:03

Analyzing Matt LaFleur's job security and team performance issues.

“It's a five-year rookie contract, right?”

Joe Shane and Brian Dable's Future

11:03 to 14:00

Discussing Joe Shane's role and implications after Brian Dable's departure.

“they had only scored seven points in the first half.”

Joe Shane and Brian Dayball: A Strategic Fallout

14:00 to 19:30

Explore the dynamics of Joe Shane and Brian Dayball's relationship and the implications of recent coaching changes.

“I did just want to close the circle because at the time that we taped, we weren't entirely sure that Joe Shane was going to stay.”

Describing NFL Teams in Five Words

19:30 to 28:00

A creative segment where hosts summarize each NFL team using only five words, reflecting their current state.

“We're going to describe each team in five words or less.”

Chicago Bears: Hope is Here

28:00 to 28:39

The discussion focuses on the Chicago Bears and their motivational slogans.

“Okay, so NFC North, we're going to start with the Chicago Bears.”

Detroit Lions: Offensive Regression

28:40 to 29:25

Analyzing the Dan Campbell's struggle with the Lions' offense.

“It just goes to show, you can say whatever you want with these motivational slogans.”
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Green Bay Packers: Too Much Talent

29:26 to 30:28

Discussion on the Green Bay Packers' current situation and expectations.

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Minnesota Vikings: Multiple Moods

30:29 to 31:08

Exploring the inconsistencies of the Vikings' performance and identity.

“I would think so, but I think as a team, we know what this team is supposed to be.”

Atlanta Falcons: Southern Hospitality

31:09 to 31:47

Discussion about the Atlanta Falcons' inability to sustain drives.

“You've started to see, like, the cracks a little bit.”

Carolina Panthers: Cats Out of the Bag

31:48 to 32:31

Discussing the Carolina Panthers' recent performance trends.

“because of their inability to sustain drives, they are really showing their opponents Southern hospitality.”

New Orleans Saints: Aw, Shucks

32:32 to 33:15

Celebrating the Saints' recent road win and their potential.

“I kind of hope that that's not true, but I felt like the cat was in the bag.”

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Weathering the Storm

33:16 to 34:28

Analyzing the Buccaneers' challenges and resilience amidst injuries.

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Mid-Show Evaluation

34:29 to 35:18

Hosts evaluate their pacing and the segment's engagement.

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Mid-Show Evaluation

35:19 to 36:27

Hosts evaluate their pacing and the segment's engagement.

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Mid-Show Evaluation

36:36 to 38:43

Hosts evaluate their pacing and the segment's engagement.

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NFC North: Team Analysis

38:44 to 42:00

Delving into the performances and slogans of NFC North teams.

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Analyzing NFL Teams in Five Words

42:00 to 43:18

Hosts discuss various NFL teams, characterizing them with concise phrases.

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AFC East Teams Overview

43:18 to 47:58

Discussion on AFC East teams, focusing on their current performance and challenges.

“Okay, I'm going to start with the Bills.”

NFL Team Character Summaries

47:58 to 53:18

Hosts summarize each NFL team with a witty phrase reflecting their season.

“Chiefs Broncos, we'll talk about it on Wednesday.”

Previewing Jets vs. Patriots Matchup

53:18 to 56:00

Hosts break down the upcoming game between the Jets and Patriots, analyzing key player impacts.

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Analyzing NFL Teams' Performance

56:00 to 59:00

Learn about the current strengths and weaknesses of various NFL teams.

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Upcoming NFL Matches Preview

59:00 to 1:00:42

Get insights on the exciting upcoming NFL games and team dynamics.

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Upcoming NFL Matches Preview

1:02:40 to 1:03:16

Get insights on the exciting upcoming NFL games and team dynamics.

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Transcript

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1:51Welcome to NFL Daily, where Kalyana Grande is back in the house. She's always here. We're here in the Chris Wessling Podcast studio. This is NFL Daily. Colleen Wolfe, Jordan Rodrigue. We've seen each other. It's Tuesday. Yeah. It's here. It's true. And for those of you who don't know who Kalyana Grande is, it's my ponytail. Welcome. Such personality. she has. Truly. And like all sorts of different personalities too. I'm curly beach waves, straight, just like some tousled curls. It's like Ken, her job is beach.

2:27Jourdan Rodrigue:Her job is curl. Her job is tuzzle. Her job is volume. We're all in the, you know, sports biz, but there, there could be extra outside marketing opportunities for you here with, you know, like, I don't know if it would be like a line of toys or something, line of fake hair, you know, some sort of spot I was like, I don't know what that actually would be. You're like, yeah, extension. So today we have taken the three most succinct people in sports media. Oh, wow. Yes. And we've given them a hard assignment. We're going to describe every team in the NFL in five words or less. If you could get it under five, bully to you.

3:12And we're going to do it in an efficient, entertaining manner that makes our producers proud because they're afraid that this is going to go super long. It's not. It's going to be fun. And we'll talk a little TNF preview on the back end. But first, let's do a little bit of news. And unfortunately, we'll start with a bummer. Travis Hunter is not going to be back this season. We found out on Tuesday afternoon that he is getting surgery on his knee. It was hoped that it was going to be a short-term injury, that he was going to be ready right when short-term injured reserve came up in a few weeks, and then a change of pace here from Ian Rapoport.

3:49And yeah, they lose their dude, Travis Hunter, for the rest of the season. Such a bummer for a guy that we kind of thought was going to be a main character of this season. It just hasn't worked out that way.

3:59Jourdan Rodrigue:I know, and I think we were all right and fair to be as excited as we were about him. I think the Jaguars still, I don't bemoan them or criticize them for being as excited as they were to draft this guy. I know it incites groans in hindsight and all of that because this totally turned out completely different than I think the highest of expectations on Travis Hunter were. And maybe some expectations even unfairly placed on him by the organization when they were so excited to bring him in. And he's changing football and all of these things. But I think he still can. I just think it's a really tough start to season.

4:36Jourdan Rodrigue:Greg looks really grumpy right now. Well, yeah, this makes me grumpy. I was so excited. Well, I couldn't tell if it was what I was saying or you're watching something. That's a common thing that people feel. I'm already feeling great. I'm going to look at Colleen. Resting Greg face is something Colleen's brought up many times on this show. It's a face at the people that would have any sort of impatience with Travis Hunter. I'm not worried at all. This was always going to take time to figure out what his actual life was going to be in the NFL, what his jobs, plural. and I still think it will be jobs, plural, in the NFL.

5:06Jourdan Rodrigue:I also don't think if we were going to read the tea leaves backwards, not as surprising, maybe just hidden really well, because for all the optimism in the start, they did still go out and trade for Jacoby Myers. So I still feel like that maybe telegraphed a little bit of what the situation was, even though I do think they have a plan for him long-term as well. And it's just such a bummer, too, because he had his best game before he was injured. so we finally started to see him kind of blossom and bloom and his confidence come out a little bit more and he was supposed to be the focal point or at least that's what they were saying after the bye week and now we don't get to see that and also Greg's resting face yes it is it's something that plagues everyone who does the show with him because you don't know if he is reacting to what you're saying, to what he's thinking, to something that he's seeing on his computer, something that Eric is saying to him.

6:04And a lot of times... It's such a pleasant face, though. It's so pleasant. I felt so much shame. It will sidetrack you sometimes, right? I'm like, I'm going to wrap this up. I don't... Was this wrong? Did I miss something? Should we stop down? I get mocked for it at home sometimes. Today, I actually think... Can you imagine living with me?

6:22Jourdan Rodrigue:What a great drop. I love that drop. And it is a lot for my family to bear. But yeah, Emika was making fun of me this morning because I was making some face to something, responding to what I imagine myself saying in this segment that's coming up later on the show. Because it was just, you know, why not? Wow. Travis Hunter is going to be fine. Give me all your Travis Hunter stock. Okay. I know. I'm still so excited about him. It's a five-year rookie contract, right? And I think to make that sort of trade, And I still believe it, what I thought when they made the trade. Like, the idea is for him to be in the Jacksonville Jaguars, you know, Ring of Honor, whatever it is that they do.

7:05And it's a long-term process. But I think he showed immediately he is absolutely an NFL cornerback. The movement skills are there for him to be an NFL receiver. But it definitely was obvious that that took longer to pick up. Let's talk a little bit about Matt LaFleur coming off that rough Monday night game. I thought it was really interesting. Right after the game, your colleague, Matt Schneidman of The Athletic, asked him how he felt in terms of whether he was coaching for his job now in this season. I'll leave that for everybody else to decide. I'll just focus on the day-to-day and trying to do.

7:46I feel like you're always coaching for everything in this league. You know, that's just my mindset. It's always been that way. You know, you can't ever exhale. You've got to always be pushing. And that's just my mindset. So and that will be my mindset until they tell me not to coach anymore. Usually we don't just do a press conference as an item of news, but it does get to something we started to talk about on the show yesterday that the Green Bay residents, The Packers fans, they're not happy. And then in this article by Schneidman kind of alludes to the fact that, hey, there is a new team president there, Ed Policy.

8:27They did not give the contract extension to Matt LaFleur or Brian Gutekunst, the GM before the season. So next year they would be entering a contract year, which in coaching GM circles usually means this year is really the contract year. It's fascinating. It feels a little bit overreactionary, but I get it. They're a team that has really high expectations.

8:47Jourdan Rodrigue:Well, incredibly high expectations. And with Ed Policy coming over, I think we have to remember, like, some of the moves that they made immediately, they've made it clear they're not going to be the same old Green Bay Packers. They're not going to be a team that is very, very good, but stays very, very good without transcending into great to Super Bowl for quite some time at this point. And so that's where when you see someone who, you know, at league circles, they talk about at policy having sort of an aggressive mindset of what he wants to do. And that actually really fits Matt LaFleur. That in a way, because of some of the way that Gutekinds has doubled down, tripled down on certain talent traits and really been able to identify certain players, also could, you know, define him too.

9:31Jourdan Rodrigue:And it certainly defines the moves that they made, whether it was drafting Matthew Golden, but then also going out and trading for Micah Parsons, really pushing their chips in under this new team president. And obviously they have no ownership overhead. So this person becomes extremely, extremely important within the organization. At the same time, there is really a lot of frustration with this offense. There also is extreme praise and a name starting to circulate about the defense, and that is Jeff Halfley, who is going to be a head coaching candidate in this cycle. And started out a little bit shaky, adding new personnel, losing personnel in terms of the defense.

10:15Jourdan Rodrigue:Brought this defense along to improve over the last couple of weeks an extraordinary amount of adjustments being made, getting the most out of certain players. and I think that that's also something that complicates this is all of the noise of praise on one side of the ball well you have an offensive head coach and his offense does not look good and I think that that just adds to this tightness and the amount of pressure that is coming out of Green Bay right now and Ed Policy has also mentioned that he doesn't want to coach in a lame duck situation so that would mean that this decision needs to be made sooner rather than later and the slow starts on offense are just becoming a trend.

10:54I know against the Eagles, that was a defensive battle and we haven't seen a shutout in the first half in years and years. But before that, against the Panthers, they had only scored seven points in the first half. And it seems like that is sort of an issue now that is trending.

11:09Jourdan Rodrigue:And I think too, and I know Matt LaFleur a little bit. I worked on a massive project with him a couple of years ago and he's brilliant, right? He's absolutely brilliant. He is a coach who, if he were not going to be with that organization anymore, other teams are running, not walking, to go bring him into their building and try to lock him in long term. And his resume is incredible with the Packers in terms of the double-digit win seasons. Everything becomes different, though, when you have made a statement as an organization, which they did with the Micah Parsons trade, that they believe that they are a Super Bowl contending team.

11:44Jourdan Rodrigue:Your offense cannot look like this if you're a Super Bowl contending team. And here lies the double-edged sword of getting into that level of contention. If all of a sudden something does not look right, it becomes the finger that's sticking out of the fist when you're punching, right? That's the one that gets broken. So that's something to keep an eye on here. But it's also, I think, people just overacting to the moment. Like, they're 10th in offense this year. They're 8th in defense. Defense has actually been, like, a little bit disappointing, like, overall. Like we're coming off this last week where you're watching that game and that was an incredible performance.

12:17Like the week before, they could not get off the field against the Carolina freaking Panthers. Like watching that game back, like it was just as much the defense, if not more, against Carolina. And so I just think it's overreacting considering he's one of the best coaches in terms of just win percentage in the history of the NFL. And Jordan Love and him make a lot of sense together. But I don't doubt any of the reporting. They haven't been as good this year. And if for whatever reason, it really went south the rest of the way. Yeah, he would be really attractive.

12:45Jourdan Rodrigue:And if you look at him on paper, I don't if you look at it from afar and you look on paper, this conversation is asinine. Right. But at the same time, like the dynamics of the conversation are what we're trying to explain here. Not necessarily his record, his percentage, which are unarguable and undebatable, in my opinion. Right. But the dynamics of that of that organization right now and the pressure. that's the thing that I don't think people are capturing enough. The enormous amount of pressure week over week over week that is condensing and condensing the atmosphere there. He's showing it.

13:20He's showing it. The way he's acting and the way that he looks. And look, Gutekunst, it wouldn't be shocking either if they both got sent away, if LeFleur did, because Aaron Banks, that was their huge move this offseason. Before Michael Parsons, Aaron Banks has kind of been a disaster for their offensive line. They're pushing their chips in. I just look at it as like, yeah, the context does matter that at one point in that game, it's like you don't have Tucker Craft. You don't have Romeo Dobbs. You don't have Jaden Reed. You don't have Elton Jenkins. Like those are the those are the guys you would make like a top the list of the most important players on their offense.

13:54All right. We talked about Joe Shane and Brian Dable on Monday. So everyone check out that that breaking news episode we had. I did just want to close the circle because at the time that we taped, we weren't entirely sure that Joe Shane was going to stay. Although Ian Rappaport, as he does, pretty much knew and said on the show that he fully expected Joe Shane to stay. And yes, the GM, just 30 minutes like after we taped that. I hate when that happens. It was it was announced in a press release. But I thought this was very funny, Colleen, and very telling. When they sent the tweets out announcing that Day Bowl is gone, they take a big section of the press release and they put it out on Twitter.

14:34and I noticed that they stopped the section of the press release that went out on Twitter right at the point where they announced how much they believe in Joe Shane and that Joe Shane is going to help them pick the next coach and that Joe Shane has done a good job building a young nucleus because they're not stupid. They know that Giants fans are going to think this is a half measure and Joe Shane hasn't really done much of a good job. It was Joe Shane's pick to hire Brian Dable and more than anything, it was Joe Shane going into this offseason that was like no we need to keep Dable and Shane Bowen one more year was Dable's decision to keep Shane Bowen but he really pushed to keep Dable one so uh they knew the fans would not be happy with that so it's like you you cut that part off a little social media strategy well yeah and that was very strategic on their part so good job by them but I just thought it was so interesting because for up until like even just a few weeks ago, it seemed like the two of them, Joe Shane and Brian Dayball, were like a package deal.

15:33And that they were both in this together. And that no matter what happened, it would either be both like all or nothing. And then one week, you all of a sudden heard, ooh, Brian Dayball, not sure about him. And it was just like, then the following week, he was gone. So it escalated quickly, the fracture. Chaos is a ladder. So is what happened. So is like the workplace. And I think one of the, as you get older, you realize like, oh, one of the biggest skills to succeeding in life for a large swath of people are people that can attach themselves to positions of power. Yes. That's what I did to you, Greg.

16:12No, it does not explain everything. Where's a good coattail around here? Hold on. Doesn't explain everything. Doesn't even necessarily explain most things. Like talent matters. There's a lot that goes into it, you know. But in the NFL, and I think in probably a lot of workplaces, there are a lot of people that are good to attaching themselves to power. And so Joe Shane is John Mara's guy, the owner, and he's going to stay.

16:35Jourdan Rodrigue:Little size medium coattail. He's going to stay. Just small. Just small. If I'm not a small. But I do love his shirt today. Who's a small? I know. That's a really good shirt, Greg. It's a good color, good texture. It's a poppin'. I'm waiting for sweater weather, and it's just like not arriving. If I see it's over 70. We're trying to make it happen. I'm like, if it's still over 70, I'm going to be dressing like it's the summer. That's the beauty of Los Angeles. Come join us. Paid for by the Los Angeles City Council. Last item of news, last couple. Dan Quinn is taking over as defensive coordinator in Washington.

17:10So like Dan Campbell.

17:11Jourdan Rodrigue:The week of Dan's. Yeah. In Detroit. Who's not taking over as offensive coordinator exactly, but is taking over as the play caller. He's trying to do something. Also, Deron Payne, we didn't mention this on Sunday. That's my fault. Was thrown out of Sunday's game for punching Amon Ross St. Brown with an empty fist. Maybe we did talk about that now that I think. Well, just like, I mean, hitting a helmet. Hitting a helmet with a closed fist is just the dumbest thing you can possibly do. Because it's only going to hurt yourself. And it's going to cost you a week's salary. Which for Deron Payne, who makes a lot of money, is like close to a million dollars.

17:47I mean, that's a preposterous thing to lose for hurting your own hand. But he has been suspended, and that is upheld. So he is not going over to Madrid. Neither is Jaden Daniels. Neither is Trey Amos, who has a fractured ankle. So the vibes are down horrendous in Washington. And the Steelers vibes, they're confusing. We'll get to them in a second. But I do like the fact that they signed Asante Samuel Jr. to their practice squad. I'm surprised Asante Samuel Jr. couldn't get a better contract than that, but he's coming off of a spinal fusion surgery. I really thought he was a good player for the Chargers when he was at his best, so good luck to him.

18:24He kind of fits what they're going to do. Let's get to the segment.

18:26Jourdan Rodrigue:I've noticed you're composing your face very carefully since the opening. I definitely am not composing my face any differently. I promise. There's a lot going on in this head right now, but that's not one of them. We're in your psyche, though. You always are in. We live there. And in the coattail. I live here. That's where I'm at. In some world, I'm always in the Chris Wesleyan podcast. I mean, we keep going. We might as well take a break at this point. What are we doing here? There we go. There we go. There he is. He wins in. This is the love language that I love that I'm used to. Thank you.

19:06I'm throwing in Colleen's voice. So this was a great idea by Eric. Eric, shout out to executive producer Eric Roberts. If this segment doesn't work, it's not all on you, Eric. We bear some responsibility, but you're like the coach. You're like Matt LaFleur right now. And someone out there is Ed Policy watching this and hoping that it all works. And we got to make it work. We're the players. We're going to describe each team in five words or less. I think it's that simple. And we're going to go through. We assign division by division. But I want it to be equal. So at the end, we're just going team by team.

19:38so that no one felt like they had an extra division or anything like that. And you actually went back and fixed it, too. I did. I messed it up at first. I don't know what happened with the first one, but in your assignments, the quality was right there in the forefront. Okay. So should I get us going? Yes. Do it. Let's do it. All right. Let's start with the NFC West. Okay. We'll go there. For the Arizona Cardinals, and this, yes, is describing each team in five words or less. It's Marvis and... That's it. That's it. All right, guys, thanks for coming by today. We're done for the day. Fire. It's a wrap on Greg.

20:22Fire Matt LaFleur. Sorry, Ed.

20:25Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm going so great. Eric, you know, the guy you chose to be in charge ultimately couldn't handle it, and your segment's going to fail. The Arizona Cardinals. Marvin Harrison Sr. in charge. That's my five. I love that. That's great. I don't know if you noticed a couple of weeks ago how he just said, I can't watch this offense. This is not at all what I'm used to. And immediately they're like, okay, we're going to change our franchise quarterback and change the entire direction. I mentioned it on our pregame show, but I got nothing from it. So I don't know how many people actually was listening to what his dad was saying.

21:00Yeah, it wasn't some random podcast. He was like, no, I'm just going to tell ESPN.com. Okay, the Rams. Personnel so heavy. Jordan, likey. Oh, my God. Okay, cool. I love this. I love it.

21:16Jourdan Rodrigue:Great job, Eric. We have a nice recovery here, Greg. Yeah, we have a whole social video about it that really explains the, you know, it just gets you going in the morning when you see that 13 personnel and those tight ends and fullbacks. Oh, man. Wide receivers blocking. Oh, man. The 49ers. Ouch! Oof! Oh, why us? That's five words. Five, exactly. Five words. Oh, my God. Not the over, so good job. I think that was pretty self-explanatory. Yeah, it is. You wouldn't think that they were six and four based on that, but I do think that kind of explains their entire season. And then the Seahawks. Dom Sam.

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22:06DVOA Darlene's. This one's like a little tricky. But it's not like the normal Sam that we've seen before. It's like Dom Sam.

22:16Jourdan Rodrigue:I know what you're saying. I'd love for you to not explain this. No, I don't need to. I think everyone knows. Yep. Who doesn't like a Dom Sam? You're up next. Oh, God. NFC East. cool all right gang here we go so i'm gonna start um are we going in alphabetical order i yeah do it do it by the city name that'll help out because all right look do it by whatever's in your i'll give i'll give you time i'll give you know everyone behind the scenes time we're putting up graphics it's on the nfl channel the words dom sam and um me just saying ouchie or whatever uh is is making it onto the nfl channel and then you can also watch us on youtube and i've been noticing the subscribers they've been they've been picking up a little bit so so just like subscribe support the show and support what colleen is okay here we go the nfc east dallas cowboys first up here five words are filing a missing parsons report oh hey i love a pun thank you i feel like that really doesn't need uh no i think it explains everything yeah they are very disappointing this year and the defense is a massive reason why um okay so next one is the uh new york giants i can do alphabetical order straight off of my head okay you can't sit with us and that is from mean girls and we all it's it's a couple different reasons why okay sit with us because there are so many players that are injured that there's just not room also brian day ball you can't sit with us yeah oh you're out um so that's the giants so normally i would i would hear that and think like they're the cool kids you know what i mean like but no like literally you can't sit with them yeah you have to go home you've been dismissed they don't seem they don't seem that cool right now like that's not a table but they were you would want to sit at i like i actually was liking the giants for a second and i hated the fact that i was liking the giants for a second because Jackson Dart and Cam Scadaboo were super fun and they were exciting and they were ridiculous and they were such bros and I hate it that I was like into it so I I'm gonna have a problem going forward I think with this team but for now yeah you can't sit with did you see that the animation that Malik neighbors happened to post on his Instagram story overnight I wouldn't have seen this either, but now it's getting passed around.

24:51We'll see if we can get permission to it, but it just was about the difference of what Jackson Dart is like at home and then maybe when he's out with the boys. Oh, fun. We'll see. We'll tease it for later. Alright, I love that. I recommend everyone go check that out. Perfect. The Eagles. Philadelphia Eagles torn like Natalie Imbruglia. The great Natalie and Bruglia had such a banger of a song. I'm torn because I love the defense right now. And I really like all of the moves that Howie Roseman made and Jalen Phillips adding him back into the fold with Vic Fangio. He played so well against the Packers.

25:33I'm really into the defense right now. The offense though is so inconsistent. I don't really know what to think. So I am literally torn on this team. Yes, they have the record and they're getting the wins, but I'm trying to protect myself from myself. Don't they feel like though, this is a team and organization that they almost need, they need it like this. They need the chaos. Their love language is, is like an ugly regular season where everyone's starting to doubt them. And then suddenly like at the end, it just ends up being perfect. I hate when you're right. You're right. That's my love language to chaos it's the only way i can thrive you need deadlines yes chaos you need everything falling apart and then you're just like okay we figured it out right now while everyone is at their wits end and you're right maybe that is their secret sauce can i could i like bring you back to last season around this time and like how they were and then can i bring you back to the final three weeks of the season in 2017 when they won the super bowl and everyone just assumed not only is the season over but every like the most beautiful eagle season of all time is completely ruined and there was zero hope left and then they just you know won the super bowl it was like okay yeah how in the world is nick foals and this eagles offense going to play against the minnesota vikings defense and then yeah they did it yeah but that's also not counting the year in between all of that okay the eagles just collapsed and the chaos just like it uh closed in on them that happens um okay and the last one in the division the washington commanders fix you by cold and i just you know it's it's a song about helping someone through a hard time when they're feeling very low and sort of crashed out yeah and i was looking up the lyrics and it's kind of like right on the nose when you try your best but you don't succeed when you get what you want but not what you need.

27:33When you feel so tired but you can't sleep, you're stuck in reverse, man. I mean, I don't know if they're getting what they want unless that's like a trip to Madrid, which is cool. Okay, well, so in my mind, they got what they want when they finally signed Terry McLaurin to the deal, but it was like a little maybe too late. Still so annoyed by that, personally. Right? And they got it last year, too, what they wanted, but not what they needed.

27:57Jourdan Rodrigue:At what cost? It hurts. Alright, Jordan, you're up with the NFC North. Okay, so NFC North, we're going to start with the Chicago Bears. Their good is getting better. You guys, a reference to Ben Johnson's thing that he chants with all of his players in the locker room, scrum, after every win. Good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good gets better and your better gets best. The Chicago Bears. Wait, that's up in his locker room? He chants it every time. That's right. Is this a Dr. Seuss? situation? It's Shel Silverstein, I believe. And he said, never let it rest until your good gets better and your better gets best.

28:37Jourdan Rodrigue:Chicago Bears, their good is getting better. You guys, hope is here. Oh, I do like hope. It just goes to show, you can say whatever you want with these motivational slogans. As long as you can call a play, you'll get by with it. If it's catchy and you can scream it with veins popping out of your neck, it works. Well, Peyton Manning has showed us that Motivate and Manning, you can really make anything, turn anything into a slogan. This ad sponsored by whatever commercial is that. If they, definitely not progressive. Is it progressive? Maybe it is. Maybe it is. I take it back. I like the backup.

29:09It probably is. That's one of those things that if they were two and seven, everyone would be mocking them for it. But since they're winning, then it's awesome.

29:16Jourdan Rodrigue:Detroit Lions, Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell versus offensive regression, which to me is the physical embodiment of Dan Campbell as the Spider-Man who's like holding the two trains as the trains are crashing. And it's Dan Campbell. Like for real. And it's offensive aggression. His little glasses are on his face and all. He's straining to try to pull this offense back into what he knows it could be. We'll see if it works. That was more than five words, though. Well, I'm explaining it. Oh, okay. Did you miss my five words? Greg, the word. I just meant there was no stopping. I just kept going. Well, I'm trying to keep the pace.

29:53Jourdan Rodrigue:You know, we were told to keep this quick. Oh, we were told it's nationwide, by the way. Nation nationwide. Oh, got it. It's on your side. I got it. All right. Green Bay Packers. Too much talent for this. Doesn't need explanation. Minnesota Vikings. One personality with multiple moods. That does need explanation. I want some. One personality with multiple moods. So is that, I would interpret that as Kevin O 'Connell, who seems like a complex man. Maybe there's lots of sides to Kevin O 'Connell. or as a team. I would think so, but I think as a team, we know what this team is supposed to be. We know what they came into the year projecting themselves as, and all of a sudden you're getting this extreme whiplash depending on which version of himself the quarterback is every single week.

30:43Jourdan Rodrigue:And so you do have a purported team identity, right? Yeah. But you never know actually what mood you're going to be in that day or what mood the quarterback is in or what version of the quarterback you get. So one personality with multiple moods. It's like bipolar and being, yeah, dealing with someone who's bipolar. Kevin O 'Connell, who always presents very, like, under control and good guy in public. You've started to see, like, the cracks a little bit. Like, he's starting to get, like, just a little bit annoyed. Lafleur-like. The pressure there in Minnesota. All right. NFC South. That was it for that division, right?

31:20Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. First up, we have, I'm doing the cities here, the Carolina, nope, the Atlanta Falcons. Gotcha, everybody. I do like that it's doubling as a test for can you alphabetize quickly.

31:37Jourdan Rodrigue:See, this is why I was stressed two minutes before we started. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, okay. Atlanta Falcons, starting with the A's here. Southern hospitality. Why? because of their inability to sustain drives, they are really showing their opponents Southern hospitality. You did it in two words. Yeah. That's going to be tough to top. Oh, don't worry. There's some ones that are coming up that are just one word. There's only one way to do that. Are you not having a stopwatch out for the pauses, Greg? She gave a good pause. I'll accept that pause. I'll accept that pause. Okay. Next up, we have the Carolina Panthers.

32:20Cats out of the bag. Oh. Because, you know, they're coming off of the three-game winning streak. I feel like if cats out of the bag, it's like they're not coming back in. It's going to stay bad. It's almost like a prediction. I kind of hope that that's not true, but I felt like the cat was in the bag. They had it in the bag when they were winning. Maybe it's Schrodinger's cat. You don't know if they're alive or dead. Oh, God. Keep pounding. All right. Yeah. Okay. Then we have the New Orleans Saints. Aw, shucks. Oh, I love a pun. Yeah. He's shown some promise. Absolutely. And they got their first road win in week 10.

33:08So I'm happy for it. I want that to be almost more fun. Yeah, it's like, that was like a nice little pat on the head for them. Oh, shucks. Yeah. All right. And then we have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who, this one for me, it's a little piratey, like an RM80 type deal. Okay. Are you coming up with it right now? No. Okay. Not at all. But they are about to go into the toughest part of their schedule. So I was thinking like along the terms of a pirate and a stormy sea, and they have to weather the storm, but they still have a favorable situation. So it's almost like they're an annoyed pirate. Okay.

33:48But it is our matey, right? Isn't that? That's the phrase is our matey. Yes. Okay. So I've just never spelled it out before, so I wasn't sure.

33:58Jourdan Rodrigue:I'm curious how you did spell it. I would spell it. Just R. I would spell it A-R, but like six R's. Right. Our matey. Yeah. And how does that describe the team again? It describes them because, you know, they had the recent loss, obviously. But they've weathered the storm of all of the injuries that they've dealt with. And now they're about to go into a tough part of their schedule. But they've gotten through this so far. Okay. That now, our matey. wait and see what happens next. We might workshop that one during the break. That one, yeah. A lot of mine need help, guys. No, mine as well. I'm enjoying this segment so much.

34:48Eric, we're halfway through.

34:51Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, is this going as fast as you thought it was? You're in charge? No, I think it's going at a good pace. Can you just give us like your halftime speech slash evaluation of how we're doing before we do it. I'm involved in this way too much. You guys are doing great. Okay. Especially the alphabetizing live. That's my favorite part, actually. Thank you. A, B, C, D, E. At all. Everyone has their own. Oh, aren't we hooked on phonics? Let's take a quick break, and we're going to do the rest of the league, and yes, we'll talk a little TNF at the end of the show, too. Great.

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39:17We have some breaking news here on NFL Daily. Whoa, what is it? Colleen Wolfe was making up the Buccaneers slogan as she went, which is totally fine. Listen, here is the situation. I'm a terrible liar, but I also am such a preparer. And when I looked at my notes, I realized that was the only team that I just did not have one for. and I had all of the reasoning, but not the actual phrase. So can I submit like shiver me timbers or something instead in place of that? I think you did well with it in the end, but it was, yeah. I think everyone knew that I was lying and I would just like to say that is a characteristic of a good person.

40:00I'm a bad liar. And I have come around to admit this and I apologize to the listeners for that. What a save. That's like someone who's in a job interview. Like, what's your biggest weakness? I work too hard. You know, I'm just perfectionist. I don't have a bad work balance. That was incredible. Glad to get that off. Same thing happened to me, too. Our producer on the NFL channel side, Quab, asked me what my Steelers one was on the way. And I was like, oh, wait, that's the one I forgot. Thank you so much. It happens to the best of us. And by saying that, I was saying the best of us is me.

40:34Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, another interview trick, by the way. It was a little subtle trick of phrase there. All right, let's do NFC North. it's my turn and I'm going to go with the Baltimore Ravens to start and the phrase would be feeling alive closer to death wait because every Colleen show that we do together that is five words, it seems longer I mean don't you, you know you hear that with people whether it's something that happens in their life or something they go through like getting a little closer to death every Tuesday. We do this every Tuesday. It's going to make you feel alive. A lot of death talk. And for John Harbaugh and this Ravens team, you know, falling to one and five.

41:19At this point, like they've done the regular season thing. They've like won MVPs. They've won a lot of games. It's like to just feel a little more alive, you had to fall to one and five. Yeah, you feel to the brink and back. You have seen the worst. You know what it's like and now it's like, ah, almost like a near-death experience. Yeah, yeah. That's where I was going. You could have just said

41:39Jourdan Rodrigue:a near-death experience, but I guess you went your way. Well, I like my way better. You know what? We should make this a collaborative effort, maybe. Go back to the Bucs real quick. The Cincinnati Bengals, the words are calamitous, wretched, ruinous, pathetic defense. Wow, pathetic seems personal. I don't know why. Ruinous is an amazing word. Ruinous. It has ruined. It's ruined so many things. It's ruined Sundays for those fans. It's like ruined the excitement over Joe Burrow possibly returning. It's just horrible. I know. The Cleveland Browns. The curse of Deshaun Watson. Don't think much explanation really needs, but that really explains the last four years.

42:31And then the Steelers, which I did come up with after QAWB reminded me, which is same s***, different year. Just like...

42:42Jourdan Rodrigue:So not only did you come up with one, you also gave Quab extra work. Sure, that's true. But I said it to him and he said, yeah, that's perfect. And that's only four words. It's like, oh, Mike Tomlin, your team is getting outscored overall, but you have a winning record and you seem like just targeted for losing that first weekend of the wildcard round once again. Westafis? Same stuff. They weirdly have... They're too interesting to be put into the west of a spot. They usually get, I feel like now, that Saturday night NBC spot where it's like good ratings, but they probably won't give you a good game.

43:18All right, Jordan, you're up. AFC East.

43:20Jourdan Rodrigue:AFC East. Dream with me here, people. Okay, I'm going to start with the Bills. And imagine this to the popular lit song, Their Own Worst Enemy. What's the popular lit song? Is that lit? Lit's the artist. Yeah, but what's the actual song? That's the song. It's no surprise to me. I am my own worst enemy. See, there you go. Because every now and then I kick the living s*** out of me. See, I tried to help. Sorry. I tried to help. I don't know if we can even keep that. Now I got it. No, actually we can't. We're going to have to play a song that sounds... Because it was so closely in tune to the original.

44:02But yeah. Watch out. Jordan and I are going to go off and start our own band.

44:09Jourdan Rodrigue:Right to the top of the charts. We don't play any instruments, but it's fine. Play like anyone that was on the Warped Tour. You're going to be covering. Oh, man, I love the Warped Tour. Yeah, I mean, this is pretty self-explanatory. They truly are. They have been their own. It's not even the Chiefs anymore. They are their own worst enemy. Okay, the Patriots. I'm fully aware I'm about to lose any cool points I may have ever garnered with either of you two, including everybody in the booth as well. What a setup! I'm so excited about this. Let me put on my Galadriel voice. Whispers of a nameless fear.

44:49Jourdan Rodrigue:Okay, you won't get it. You're doing the face. Lord of the Rings reference. Listeners not only will get this, I will get messages about it, and I will get love from them. I don't need it from you guys. No, I'm very intrigued. And how does that apply to the Patriots? Yes. A shadow rises in the East. What? The old evil has returned. I hate the old evil. Yeah, Patriots. But it's like the old evil with some new paint, though. It's like that little sheen. No. Yeah, when Dave Portnoy is in the owner's box, I think we can call it evil, the old evil. Okay, more. I was like, I can't enjoy my touchdown.

45:30from Drake May. You got to immediately go to Portnoy. It's like, it makes it tough.

45:37Jourdan Rodrigue:More movie references on the way. The Miami Dolphins. How you like them apples? Because when I saw the photo of Mike McDaniel in his car with his giant watch hanging out the window, driving past the Bills bar, I immediately thought of that scene in Good Will Hunting when Will slaps the number on the glass and says, how you like them apples? I got a number. How you like them apples? it's so good too. The same thing. And then he, like they asked him about it on Monday and he did the Mike McDaniel thing where he just gave a total non, like a non-answer that did confirm it, but did it in such a confusing way that you couldn't even totally laugh at that you couldn't quite use it as like a soundbite on shows like this, where he said something like, AI is real, so that could have happened.

46:25And I was like, who are you? But I do love that he did that. more coaches and players just like stunting on their opposition. Even when they're losing bad, like enjoy the wins when you're losing.

46:36Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah, I never mind it. Jets super earnestly want to say this. Just learn how to win. They're loaded already on draft picks. I don't want them to worry about draft order at this point. I just want them as an organization to understand what it actually means and takes to win football games and get into that habit before they go about this full-on rebuild. And we'll be talking about them shortly. Little TNF. Last time in primetime for the Jets this year. And is that the end of the AFC East? It is. Losing track. All right. Now we're going to go team by team here. Okay. We've divided up Broncos. You have Colleen.

47:14Okay. That John Denver is full of... And that's five words because I didn't say the last one. But it's because... Well, first of all, I don't know if anyone thought that the Broncos would go on the run that they're on just looking at their record. However, it's kind of like when I look at the wins and you watch the games and you see the way that the offense is so inconsistent. Are they full of s**t? We don't know. We're really. A win's a win, though. We're really using that button. I know. Yeah, it's true. But yeah, so I just feel like they obviously rely on their defense so much. And we don't know if the offense can sustain playing at this level.

48:01But they are 8-2 now. Big week. Chiefs Broncos, we'll talk about it on Wednesday. You have the Chiefs.

48:09Jourdan Rodrigue:Mahomes' last wild card. 2021. Oh. And I know it's confusing because it's only five words, right? So I'm only working with five words. He's only not had a first round bye twice. so he played in the wild card round in 2021 yeah so we're technically thinking about the Chiefs possibly being a wild card the wild card team because of the way the AFC is set up right now it's it would be really weird for him to not have a first round by it feels like forever because it has been forever I am bringing this up I would not be able to have remembered this off the top of my head but yes they were they played the uh the Steelers in the wild card round and then they beat the Bills and they got to have it at home because I think there were multiple upsets in the divisional round.

48:55So they still got to have, maybe it wasn't even multiple upsets, but they basically just didn't get the bye and they beat the Bills and then yeah, they lose to the Bengals.

49:03Jourdan Rodrigue:That feels like so many lifetimes. And you know what? It will be a tougher road. All the mental gymnastics that I put myself into so I didn't have to Google Taylor Swift lyrics, guys, to try to make a Taylor Swift pun. I felt like that was going to be the obvious thing. Instead, I went overly complicated. What's the Taylor Swift pun? That's on me. I don't have any. I didn't want to do that. She's really great with her puns and things. And I feel like that would have, I wanted to challenge myself. And then I just set us all through mental gymnastics here. The Raiders are mine. I thought it was great.

49:31I think it's a good point. It's salient about the different path that Chiefs are on right now. The Raiders, familiar path. Forlorn, melancholy, hopeless Pete. That's it. Just like, what do we need with like a sad Pete Carroll? Oh, nobody wants it. Nobody likes it. Nobody needs it. Like, if I could have fit, like, I don't belong here anymore. That was what I was thinking of. He doesn't even go here. It's just sad. Chargers, Colleen. Okay. Chargers. Thunderstruck. That's one word. Wow. Oh. And I feel thunderstruck by the Chargers this year. And I knew that they would be good. And I knew that they would figure things out.

50:13But I just, like, every time Jim Harbaugh has a microphone near him, It's fun and shocking and amazing. And I'm just, I like the vibes of this team. And they've had every reason to not be 7-3 right now. Right. You know what? All these injuries that they've dealt with and still look at them. I love it. Texans, Jordan.

50:36Jourdan Rodrigue:Davis Mills to the rescue? Oh my God, what? I hope not. We got any CJ Stroud news? That was great last week. It was great. I had to really stretch that one out. That was good. The tones. It was like Dan Campbell with his tones talking about the play calling. I'm not calling the play. I mean, I'll do it. I'll stick my neck out. I think they're going to make the playoffs. Look at you. Let's do the Jaguars. Oh, I came up with two with the Jaguars and then never decided which I won. We'll tell you which one's better. Oh, I can do both. Yeah. How about that? I was like, I'll decide in the moment. We will judge them.

51:19Actually, you know, the second one's just boring. The Jags. Messy fun, no longer fun.

51:24Jourdan Rodrigue:Aww. I mean, right? They've just kind of been a bummer to watch. We named them our messy fun team of the year, and then they went out the next week and just had this totally bizarre win over the Chiefs. Yeah. That was so far the peak of the Jaguars season. But you know what? They've got time. They're literally still in the playoffs as of today over the Kansas City Chiefs. It sounds like a college relationship. Yeah. Messy fun and not fun anymore. Yeah, like when you see his bathroom for the first time. Oh, my God. What has happened in here? How old is this? How long has that been sitting there?

52:00Speaking of young men disappointing you, my other one was Trevor leaves us. What's the heart of bleach? All right, I'm done. My other one was Trevor leaves us wanting more. That's more sad. All right, Colts. Colts. The limit does not exist. Two Mean Girls references in one show. I know. I know. Yeah. The limit does not exist for this Colts team because they're going all of the way. Been some warning signs the last few weeks, but I do like that they went into the it's always big. Get into the bye with the win. That was big. And finally, Jordan, wrapping up with the Titans.

52:38Jourdan Rodrigue:Are you guys ready for this? I've never been more ready. The Titans are still playing. Oh.

52:48That's right. Five words exactly. At least they're in Nashville. They have like a cool number one overall pick playing quarterback. And yes, they might be the most forgettable team right now in the NFL, but they might have the number one pick. Again, two straight years.

53:06Jourdan Rodrigue:Good for them. Not a great sign. Jets also in the mix for the number one overall pick. And I'm going to say it. I think that was a success. describe your teams in five words or less. I thought it was fun. I want my Chiefs one back. Okay. Yeah, there's always changes you would make. I'll take the Bucs one back. No problem. After the fact. Eric, are you happy with it? We're getting the thumbs up. It was good. Good job, guys. There felt like a little hesitation. No way. It was good. It felt like we can be better. Let's see if we can line the ship here, guys. That was Dan Campbell denying he's calling plays.

53:38Jourdan Rodrigue:It was good. It was good. The New York Jets are playing the New England Patriots this week. And before the season, if you had told me that it would be a 12 and a half point spread. How crazy. I wouldn't have believed it. But the Patriots have won seven straight games. They're coming off, I think, their best win of the season against the Bucs. The Jets will not have Garrett Wilson in this game. They will not have starting cornerback Azare Thomas in this game, who has a concussion. and I was thinking actually this could be a tricky spot for the Patriots because the Jets have played better over the last month.

54:19They've been a competitive team. They've also won the last couple of games and defensively especially they have turned it around and have been mostly respectable. But losing Garrett Wilson especially is a big bummer for this team. Yeah, because they're going to have to lean on the run and Brees Hall is going to have to go up against this really good Patriots run defense. So I'm not sure how they're going to score points because obviously the Patriots are going to know that they're going to run the ball, so they're going to stack the box. So what do you even do? How do you get creative in those situations?

54:53And Drake May has been playing so well, now going up against a secondary without Sauce Gardner. Will McDonald is also, I knew I was forgetting someone else that is absolutely crucial to what they do. And I think Will McDonald and Jermaine Johnson, it's only been a couple of games together. Like that's a really good edge duo. I think they should be happy that they didn't trade those guys away. And Will McDonald's been playing well, but they don't have a chance like to often play with the lead and then let those pass rushers go. And this is a game where, yeah, they might not be playing with the lead.

55:26Jourdan Rodrigue:Yeah. And the Patriots might be in the Patriots might be running the ball a lot, which means I would like to see more trivia on Henderson. and we saw really his explosive playability on full display last week. And I think there's high potential for that to happen again. I am so impressed, way more impressed than I thought I would be with this Patriots defense. I know it was a place they invested heavily into, and Mike Vrabel set about sort of pruning all of the former Belichick draft picks and removing them from the roster and then playing his guys and some of the guys that they went out and spent money on in free agency.

56:00Jourdan Rodrigue:from the front to the coverage, they are so solid. Even if the Jets had multiple threats in the passing game, it would be so hard. Christian Gonzalez is playing well. This front is defending the run extremely well, but they also are looking dynamic against the pass too. It's just they are an entire handful, and it is why I'm saying they're back. I mean, they're back, unfortunately, for the rest of the East. a new dark is rising. But it was the same dark the whole time. The same evil Greg. It's such a... Our matey! It's such a strange season, and that game was typical of it. Like, their running game was terrible for every run except for two, essentially.

56:47And even, like, their passing game was pretty inconsistent in that game. But you have Drake May, who, as a second-year player, just seems beyond his years. and he is the one who changes the play at the line of scrimmage to set up Kyle Williams for that insane touchdown. And that was just like, it wasn't even bad defense. It was just a perfect call against man coverage and a really incredible throw and some explosive ability from Drake May and Kyle Williams. And same thing with that fourth down play, but like their players are just good. But then you peek behind like the curtain a little bit and some of the numbers don't totally support what the eye test tells you.

57:26Like they're somehow still 29th in DVOA on defense because, you know, they're giving up drives and they they do tend to give up some big plays. But I think to your point, Jordan, that they are improving, that they're a lot better. That's including the entire season of stats in the last month or so. They've been much better. I think the offensive line is getting better, too. That would have been the area where I'd be concerned because Jermaine Johnson and Will McDonald have nine quick pressures last week in that Jets game. They were the best edge duo in the league last week, but without Will McDonald like that, then they can send help to the other side, and there's less of a route for them to win.

58:03And yet there's something about the Jets. I'm always worried. Even though they've handled the Jets over the years, I'm always worried about the Jets. That's their rival.

58:11Jourdan Rodrigue:Look at what we just saw with the Bills and Dolphins. It's almost like a team of pesky, optimistic upstarts could upset dynastic evil, you know? I want you to make a movie about that. Yeah, it's a good idea. They might start Justin Fields in this game, but they might start Tyrod Taylor. They would not take any questions. And by they, I mean Aaron Glenn on Monday. I know, but he was like, he was just like, stop with the quarterback questions. I don't want any quarterback. It's like, it's got to be a question. Kind of a big deal. Especially when like you had zero drop back game. Like Fields is, I think the best way to beat the Patriots though is actually have Justin Fields play quarterback and just run him.

58:52They have not unlocked him as a runner has been a little surprising to me. I guess that's all we got on Jets Patriots.

59:00Jourdan Rodrigue:It'll be fun. Either way. Sad state of affairs. But I do like to see the Patriots in primetime with this version of the Patriots feels new. It does. It's a totally different team. I wonder how much waxing crescent talk we get from Al. It's depending on how the game action is going. Yeah. That's always my favorite moment. They were the first team, by the way, one of only three teams in 25 years last week to have four 50-yard-plus plays. So that was just like a really weird. Wow, really? Like explosive. Yeah. It's hard to get a 50-yard game in the NFL. Wasn't it the first Patriots team since early 2000s to have two rookies have recorded an explosive play at 50-plus yards in the same game?

59:48Jourdan Rodrigue:Insane. And you have Will Campbell, who's getting better at left tackle. They are led by their young guys. He's what now? But he's getting better. He's been good. He's been solid. His favorite. I mean, I wanted Armand Membu, and I would still want Armand Membu, who's on the other side. The Jets offensive line is playing really well. There actually are pieces here, I think, for the Jets fans to get excited about. He's going to fight and die for the quarterback. You never know. Because I'm a homer, I think actually I would take the Jets to cover that 12.5, if nothing else. That's it for today's show.

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From the publisher

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Colleen Wolfe to preview the Thursday Night Football matchup between the Jets and Patriots. First, the crew gets you caught up on the news including Jaguars CB/WR Travis Hunter undergoing season-ending knee surgery (01:30), Matt LaFleur's job security with the Packers (05:30), Joe Schoen remaining Giants GM (12:10) and more. Up next, every team in the NFL is described with five words or less, starting with the NFC West (17:20) followed by the NFC East (21:20), NFC North (26:10), NFC South (29:35), AFC North (35:20), AFC East (38:00), AFC West (41:45), and AFC South (45:10). Finally, the show is wrapped up with a preview of the Jets and Patriots facing off on Thursday Night Football (48:15). 

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