Vita Vea Trade Request, Baker's Dilemma and All-Under-25 Team

28 Jul 2026 · 50 min · 18 chapters

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In short

NFL Daily covers early training-camp contract/holdout news (Buccaneers: Vita Vea trade request; Baker Mayfield ending contract talks), Eagles’ Jalen Carter extension, other league camp updates, and Nick Shook’s NFL.com “All-Under-25 Team” debate.

Guests

None. Hosts are Greg Rosenthal and Nick Shook (NFL writer). No additional guests appear in the transcript.

Guest backgrounds (relevant people mentioned): Jalen Carter (Eagles DT, extended 4 years); Baker Mayfield (Buccaneers QB, contract talks paused, free-agent after 2024 season); Vita Vea (Buccaneers DT, requested trade at age 31); Luke Kuechly (former Panthers linebacker, joining Netflix as top analyst).

Key claims

Vea trade odds are “less than 50%” (around 30–35%); most likely outcome is a large one-year raise. Mayfield wants no more negotiation distraction; franchise-tag comfort. Carter’s extension is heavily guaranteed and effectively locks him up long-term.

Notable examples

Trey Hendrickson one-year raise (Bengals) as a model; Trent McDuffie trade cost; Vea’s pressures/double-team rate; Carter extension figures ($152M/106M guaranteed). Shook’s Under-25 picks include Drake Maye at QB, Bijan Robinson/Jahmyr Gibbs at RB, Brock Bowers/Trey McBride discussion, and Joe Alt/Josh Simmons/Tanner Bordingolini on the OL.

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Chapters

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Training Camp News

0:05 to 0:25

Discussion about the start of training camp and news updates.

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Training Camp News

0:59 to 2:12

Discussion about the start of training camp and news updates.

“And like as we're taping, more and more news is popping like the Jalen Carter contract just now.”

Vita Vea Trade Request

2:12 to 4:19

In-depth analysis of Vita Vea's trade request and its implications.

“Vita Vea has requested a trade and Baker Mayfield has showed up to training camp with the news that he will no longer negotiate a contract and he will be a free agent after the year.”

Negotiation Complexity for Vea

4:19 to 5:44

Exploration of the challenges in negotiating Vita Vea's contract.

“And they just make him happy by making him a top five to eight top defensive tackle for money this year?”

Baker Mayfield's Contract Year

5:44 to 7:40

Discussion surrounding Baker Mayfield's contract situation and mindset.

“So he's not going to double it, but he's got to climb a little bit based on his production.”

Reflection on Baker's Career

7:40 to 9:27

Insights into Baker Mayfield's career trajectory and challenges faced.

“And that's partly because of the position that he plays, but he's unique.”

Pressure on Mayfield in 2023

9:27 to 12:09

Analysis of the pressure Baker faces in his contract year and performance.

“Basically him coping with the idea that more of his favorite players are going to be gone soon.”

Baker's Playing Style and Longevity

12:09 to 13:56

Discussion about Baker Mayfield's playing style and its sustainability.

“So it's going to be one of those things that we're going to monitor week by week throughout this season because he's got the most to lose this year.”

Baker Mayfield's Career Trajectory

14:01 to 15:30

Discussion on Baker Mayfield's volatile career and its implications for the Buccaneers.

Jalen Carter's Contract Extension

15:30 to 18:51

Analysis of Jalen Carter's new contract and its significance for the Eagles.

“because we'll be talking about him plenty, but just a lot on the line.”
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Luke Keekly's New Role

18:51 to 23:04

Overview of Luke Keekly's induction into the Hall of Fame and his role with Netflix.

“We are now at that point where defensive linemen are making quarterback money.”

Update on Kyle Shanahan's Accident

23:04 to 24:40

Latest details on Kyle Shanahan's accident and his recovery.

“No, all I mean is you got to speak authoritatively.”

Injury Updates and Team News

24:40 to 29:03

Rapid-fire updates on various NFL injuries and team announcements.

“Remember Jamal Adams was in the league last year on the Raiders?”

All-Under-25 Team Discussion

30:13 to 42:00

Discussion on the best NFL players under 25 and their potential.

“We're working on making sure Nick Shook is locked in like Jalen Carter and making him a bigger part of the NFL Daily Universe.”

Analyzing Young Defensive Players

42:00 to 44:46

Discover the challenges and potential of young defensive players in the NFL.

“Plus, you kind of took two left tackles and cheated.”

Linebacker Archetypes and Rookie Performance

44:46 to 47:25

Explore the different archetypes of linebackers and their impact on rookie success.

“And yet it points out how hard it is to find a good young defensive tackle.”

Emerging Talent in the Secondary

47:25 to 49:29

Learn about rising stars in the secondary and their potential impact on the game.

“Which bucket do you think Swessinger fits in?”

Discussion on Players and Draft Decisions

49:29 to 53:02

Delve into player evaluations, draft decisions, and future expectations.

“like we said, it's harder, I think to flourish earlier in your career when you're closer to the ball, as opposed to when you're playing secondary.”
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Transcript

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0:40Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're a long way away from being eligible for the all under 25 team. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm with a man who's well over 25 as well. It's Nick Shook. He wrote the article we're going to be talking about a little later, but not before we get to some news. First day, teams are all showing up to training camp. And like as we're taping, more and more news is popping like the Jalen Carter contract just now.

1:07Nick Shook:Yeah, you know, teams, players show up, contracts get done apparently. But you need a little FaceTime just to get the pen on the paper. I don't know what it is, but it's flying left and right. And you know what, Greg, you're right about the all under 25. as i get older i just think god i'm thinking of myself in athlete years and i'm close to retirement in athlete years that's rough that's a rough admission it is eye-opening when you realize yeah you're older than almost everyone you're quote-unquote covering so you're almost there shook i'm proud of you you really know you're old when you start calling like professional athletes kids if they're in their young 20s because that's what they seem like pretty much where we are yeah let's talk about the bucks first so i will get to that jalen carter contract extension we have some news and like i mentioned we're going to talk about shooks all under 25 team it is an amazing list to be on all the players want to be on it's highly coveted and he had his big list out on nfl.com but we'll start with the bucks who had two big items of news Vita Vea has requested a trade and Baker Mayfield has showed up to training camp with the news that he will no longer negotiate a contract and he will be a free agent after the year.

2:23Have thoughts on that one, but let's start with the Vita Vea news because it was more surprising. I think there's a real chance he ends up back with the Bucs and that this is just negotiating, Nick. let's start with the odds that you think Vita Vea could actually get traded oh god um I mean I think

2:47Nick Shook:it's it's less than like 50 possible uh just because I don't think that he's it's not that he's not an excellent player because he is but you have to consider age with this and contract demands he's 31 years old um it's going to be hard to find a partner that is going to be willing to give up the capital necessary to acquire Vita Vea that the Buccaneers will demand without considering his age. And then also there's the idea of you acquire him to then extend him. And he's going to want money that mirrors his production. That's where it gets weird is because he was a rookie in 2018, which is crazy because it feels like just yesterday I was listening to him talk at the combine, but that's how quickly time goes and how fast these things can change.

3:25Nick Shook:So I think that you're right. They do come to terms on an agreement eventually. I don't think it lands near the money that he wants though there's going to be it could be a drawn out process and the weird thing about this is that he's going to be at training camp they don't know about his participation yet I anticipate a hold-in we'll see how long that goes on and whether that force is either side's hand but I don't think that I think it's gonna take a lot of negotiating a lot more than than has happened so far which led to this trade request and it's a really weird time for Jason Light the general manager of the Buccaneers it is really tricky between this one and the Baker Mayfield contract, because I think they're both complicated.

3:58I would put the over under if I had been setting it for you, like around 35%, which is actually high in my mind. I think there's a legitimate chance he could get traded. I think the most likely outcome, the one that makes the most sense for the Bucs, as long as Vitavia was okay with it, would be to get a big one-year raise. And they just make him happy by making him a top five to eight top defensive tackle for money this year? Is that enough to get him into the building and just happy? And they're not worrying about the long term of it all. I put it as high as 30%, though, because I think the Bucs don't want to give him a big contract.

4:43He is older than most people that were drafted back in 2018. He was an old prospect. He's a very unique player. John Ledyard, who I really respected, did a list on his sub stack. People should check that out. Audibles and analytics. He had him as the number 12 defensive tackle. That feels about right where he lands. Like he gives you pass rush that most guys that strong don't. But he's not peak Dexter Lawrence. He's not Jalen Carter. You know, he's not Jeffrey Simmons. You know, Jalen Carter we're going to get to is making$34 million a year on his extension. And Vita Veya is at 18. So I could see him getting a big raise.

5:19he's also a type of player that it's just tricky body size how much he's actually on the field do you want to be paying huge money for his age 32 that's next season age 33 season maybe but it's all about like where the guarantees would be and yet if you're vita vea and you're like if i had hit free agency if if if for instance i have to write about it i'm now going from his voice to my voice i'm now greg rosenthal if i have to write about it um like some team like tyler linderam got 28 million dollars like vita veil would make an insane amount of money if he actually got out there and so it's complicated it's complicated you don't think so i'm not sure because we're

6:01Nick Shook:in this weird place now where veteran d tackles i think are valued more than they've been over the last decade i think about guys like um i use the browns as an example because they were plugging their defensive interior with veterans for years it was sheldon richardson more recently it was it was malik collins and shelby harris um and they do still carry value both of the experience and production if you can marry the two and and prove that that's still within a player but i i'm glad that you brought up um the the dexter lawrence and the connection to the bangles because i think that this actually could mirror what happened with trey hendrickson in the bangles last year which is that they gave him that one-year raise and they basically agreed after this we're done i like that that is your projection is that that is could be the possible outcome of a just a hefty one-year raise and then you part your ways because let's think about it at 32 years old yeah you might cash in with a team that's desperate for defensive interior help that believes that they can win now but that market's going to be a lot smaller so it's a very very precarious situation for vita vea to be in but i also understand because if you look at him versus the rest of the market he's pretty far down the list he's behind cam hayward he's just slightly ahead of ed oliver he's behind christian barmore kenny clark leonard williams in terms of apy way at the top is Jeff Simmons at 35.2.

7:08Nick Shook:We got Vita Veya at 17.7. So he's not going to double it, but he's got to climb a little bit based on his production. I don't think the Buccaneers are necessarily going to be the team willing to do that over multiple years. Right. Milton Williams got about 26 per year last year. Would he be asking for something around then? Are the Bucs at all worried about the fan base? He's beloved. They just lost Mike Evans, the most beloved player on the roster. their quarterback is is entering a free agent year vita vea is now probably the most beloved player on the roster it's actually a relatively young team and he is still productive he tied with byron murphy for the most pressures last season of anyone from a zero one or two technique which is you know about how far you are and what gap you're in compared to the ball basically a gap or right over the nose.

8:00He was second in double teams faced. And that's partly because of the position that he plays, but he's unique. And if he's declined, I think it's only, you know, by a little, he's kind of a one of one. And so it's tricky. And why I give it as high as 30, 35%, like, yeah, it sounds like a lot. You got to pay him the money and give up what I would imagine would be a second round pick. I think that might get it done. I don't think a third should get that done. I mean, we just saw like Trent McDuffie go for a lot, like Hendrickson, the original Max Crosby trade, the Dexter Lawrence trade, what Miles Garrett is.

8:34I know Avito Bay is not at this level, but you know, Odigizuo is one that's a little lower for a third, but like people are giving up picks. People are just doing things and there is a lot of cap room out there. And so there was a report that he wanted to play for a West Coast team, California. His former GM is with the Raiders. To me, that makes no sense. Why would they do that? You know who has the most cap space in the NFL right now? It sort of doesn't make sense to me. It's the San Francisco 49ers. How about Vita Vea? How about him adding to that group? Give up another draft pick. This team's old anyways.

9:07You have so much cap space. A team that's trying to win like that, could it be an arms race in the NFC West? That would be fun.

9:14Nick Shook:Yeah, I think that would be very exciting for 49ers fans that are looking for reasons to, you know, I mean, they're already excited based on what the team did last year and then they think well we're going to be healthy this year so they're going to have a better chance it would be another thorn or another you know twist of the knife and buccaneers fans hearts if they were to lose mike evans to the niners and then trade vita vea to the niners uh and just kind of make this whole thing it's funny because i got a text from one of my closest friends who is a diehard buccaneers fan going way back to when we were you know kids we met in high school and he just texted me out of nowhere this bucks blow up and rebuild is going going to be legendary, LOL.

9:48Nick Shook:Basically him coping with the idea that more of his favorite players are going to be gone soon. That's a good transition to Baker Mayfield, who showed up to camp. And according to Greg Allman of Fox Sports, who's a longtime beat writer there too, said he showed up with the intention that contract talks are over, that they maybe never even really happened. And Baker Mayfield doesn't want the distraction. ESPN said earlier this week, Jeremy Fowler, that Baker Mayfield was comfortable. If they had to use the franchise tag on him next year, he would be comfortable with that. And that would be upwards of$45, close to$50 million a year if they had to tag him.

10:29It makes sense for both sides, really, but especially the Buccaneers. And yet, Baker Mayfield on a prove-it contract year has some recipe to be chaotic in maybe a good way for us as podcasters but maybe not the best if you're a Bucs fan.

10:49Nick Shook:Yeah, I don't know if you saw Netflix's new quarterback season this year. I have, yes. Baker, one of them. I almost feel like he came to the realization that, hey, maybe trying to play through every injury to give my team the best chance of success and also to be stubborn because I refuse to go off the field is not the best move for me. Like he reflected on him, you know, suffering a shoulder injury with the Browns and it kind of derailing his time there. And then he experiences a similar thing with the Buccaneers this past season as part of their late season meltdown. And now he's going to go into a contract year in which, you know, he's going to have to prove to them that he's worthy of another extension.

11:25But it's funny because I don't really necessarily think that he like I think he's earned more than that in his time with the Buccaneers.

11:32Nick Shook:Like, let's think about where they were as a franchise post Tom Brady. They had no idea where they were going. Oh, Baker Mayfield happens to be out there, needs a job. Let's take a flyer on him. He succeeds. Let's give him a three-year extension because we still really don't fully believe in him, but we believe in him enough to give him a three-year extension. It's almost like he still is never going to earn the trust of this front office that he needs to to really get this contract that he desires. And it feels as if he is aware of that at this point and is going to take that, put the chip on his shoulder and make it even bigger than it already is and say, fine, I'll just go prove to you that I'm worth all the money this year.

12:04Nick Shook:But is he going to risk it by playing through a potential another injury if he were to get injured again? And obviously you don't want any players to get hurt, but it's like there's a weird balance between the two of like contract year, stubborn, got to prove my point, but also have experienced in recent years that playing through injury is not the best. So it's going to be one of those things that we're going to monitor week by week throughout this season because he's got the most to lose this year. He also has a lot to gain. And he's also one of the streakiest quarterbacks in the NFL. Right.

12:30The streakiness, you hit it there, the pressure of it all. Like it could be electric. You know, Joe Flacco's Super Bowl run and him finishing on the NFL Network desk and literally saying like, well, that that contract's going to be expensive after he won the Super Bowl. And the owner like having to fork over the biggest contract ever. It's high variance. And yet when I watch that, it Baker comes across as very likable, much more mature. I have a lot of thoughts on that quarterback. I think I haven't been able to finish it the first couple of times because I just found it boring the first two seasons.

13:04I thought this season was easily the best one because Jaden Daniels was probably the only one to me that wasn't ultra compelling, but, but Flacco Baker and, and especially Cam Ward were all really dynamic in different ways. Cam Ward was incredible. But it got me thinking about Baker of like, man, his career outcome, it could have been, it could have been different, worse in a lot of different ways. Like he's really carved out like a pretty incredible career. And even when he's going through all these injuries and, And he's drinking beers at the New York City Marathon. And he's not a big guy. You do wonder how he's going to age a little bit.

13:43Like, have we already seen the peak of Baker Mayfield? I feel like that's possible. He could have another big season or two. It's certainly possible. But he hasn't won with overwhelming physical skills. He's an extremely accurate quarterback with a great arm. Don't get me wrong. He's very athletic. And sneaky mobile, too. like but he is streaky the the whole chip on his shoulder like cliche and the mentality does seem like it really does matter for him a lot and like those players are volatile and like he's had a volatile career so you do wonder if like you know the bucks are a little worried about i'm gonna i'm

14:20Nick Shook:gonna go out on a limb here and i think you're right because they worry like well his style of play his build is it really the long-term success that we're looking for in a quarterback especially as he's 30 years old now which again reminds me of my age 31 31 okay even worse um how about this for a career ender like an ending arc this is a bit of a reach and i understand this because they're not the same quarterback but i do see some similarities do you remember john elway's physical state in his last like three to four years in the nfl yes one of one of the most physically dominant quarterbacks of all time yes i hear what you're saying but age hit him pretty hard now we all remember you know the helicopter hit in the super bowl and everything else that was one of his defining moments of his career and everything else if you shrunk that down in terms of timeline and then reduce the overall athletic ability you could maybe find a comparison between the two so it could it could drop off a lot sharper and it could be a bad situation for them so i understand their hesitance baker just looks like a normal dude a lot of the time which is yes he's not built like this army no for an nfl player i mentioned the Jalen Carter contract.

15:29We'll move on from Baker because we'll be talking about him plenty, but just a lot on the line. By the way, free agents next year. I've already started looking, you know, talk about a guy who would be excited to hit the free agent market. I mean, he would get a good contract. Him and Kyler Murray right now are the class of the potential free agents. Mack Jones, Kirk Cousins, you know, Tua. Like, it's not great. It's basically him and Kyler at the top. So great quarterbacks don't get to free agency. Great defensive tackles don't either. Jalen Carter didn't even get to the second to last year of his rookie contract because they had already put a fifth year option on.

16:02So what they did on Tuesday is they extended him four years, which means it's a total six year contract. The extension part of it is four years, 152 million with a hundred and six million dollars guaranteed. So hit, you know, topping a hundred million dollars guaranteed is is big time. The next three years, essentially knowing that are going to be locked up. That said, he gives up his control for six years. If you tack on the years that were already on his contract, it's more like a six for 180. Then it's 31 per year. And more importantly, like the percentage of the cap is going to go down and down and down as you go.

16:44My takeaway when the contract is this long for such young players, is the Eagles will have Jalen Carter on their roster as long as they want to for the rest of his career. He is giving up that control. If he has a Hall of Fame caliber, all pro type of career, he's going to be an Eagle until he's ineffective. And that's what you give up when you take this much guaranteed money, this long a contract, and it makes a lot of sense for both sides.

17:09Nick Shook:Yeah, it does. I felt like this was obviously the big question mark that was next on Howie Roseman's agenda when it came to who is he going to extend next that are these key pieces And I know that there had been some chatter that maybe they weren't long for each other. But anybody who's got a working pair of eyes and understands football knows how important he is to this team. Anybody who watched this defense play last year when they didn't have him knows how important he is to this team. And so if you go try to go through his accolades real quick and contextualize all this, you're like, well, he wasn't an all pro last year.

17:38Nick Shook:He played 11 games, got himself tossed from the first game of the season before it even started. Was a little up and down. Was a little up and down. I'm like sometimes looking, he kind of been up and down his whole career though, to be honest. Yes. Don't you think flash plays are so big that they justify the lulls and we can always go back to their run to the Superbowl two seasons ago as a concrete example of how important he is to that team on that, you know, fantastic defensive front that they have. So while you keep key guys like this on your team and continue to try to retool around them, you'd following the chief's method to a degree, but in the Howie Roseman fashion, this makes a lot of sense.

18:12Nick Shook:This is money that's well-deserved. and as long as he can stay healthy, he'll probably prove that he's worth it. And like you said, as the years go on, the cap continues to increase. It's going to be more and more team friendly. Where does it place him? You said it was 160 over 180. I mean, it depends on the way that Schefter frames it in the agents Drew Rosenhaus, who he cites. So it's to make the agent look better. Carter is the highest paid defensive tackle by about three million over Jeffrey Simmons, who's three million over Chris Jones, Dexter Lawrence, and Milton Williams last. But that's only counting the extension money.

18:45I'd have to go into how their deals work with the extension. But either way, even on average for the six years, he's over$30 million. We are now at that point where defensive linemen are making quarterback money. Jalen Carter is making quarterback money. And he's making it next to Jordan Davis, who just got a big extension too. So this is a team that pays their defensive linemen. And this might be a pretty direct result of them not being able to keep Jalen Phillips. Maybe there was more money in the cookie jar this offseason instead of putting it off another year before they paid Carter.

19:24Nick Shook:Yeah, if you take their APYs per year and the two extensions that they signed with their defensive interior, which I think is important, especially when they're healthy, because it's the best defensive interior duo, I think, in the NFL when they're healthy. $56 million dedicated per year to those two guys. That's a lot of money. that's money who was next to Fletcher Cox all those years I feel like they had a great a good defensive tackle duo but yeah he has paid a lot of defensive linemen over the years and it's a position that usually you aren't at your best the first two or three years just physically it is just hard to hold up and so the fact Jordan Davis we've seen like dramatic improvement so they're they're betting on Jalen Carter getting even better and when I say he's up and down what I mean is that for entire games for entire weeks stretches at a time he looks like the best defensive player in the NFL like he's right there with like Miles Garrett like he is that dominant a player for like a game or two at a time and then he just he gets a little quiet and maybe you don't you don't see it like on an every snap basis in the same way that the great greats like a Miles Garrett do game after game but he'll he'll be paid like a great you know who was a great back in the day upcoming Hall of Famer Luke Keekly going to be inducted into Canton you'll be there is that only a week away?

20:44is that right?

20:45Nick Shook:yeah the Hall of Fame game is next week nine days crazy he is going in as a linebacker and it's a big Luke Keekly year not only was he on NFL Daily at some point maybe that was last year he's going to be the number one analyst for Netflix football I don't know if you're aware of this I'm throwing this into the news rundown Lou Keekly is going to be their first number one analyst. Before they were kind of like rotating guys that worked elsewhere, but he's going to be like the dedicated Netflix guy on all the big Netflix games. So the second game of the season is Noah Eagle, who's usually with NBC and it is an NBC production.

21:21It's a little confusing on Netflix, but Keekly gets a big spot in Australia with the Rams and the 49ers.

21:30Nick Shook:So NFL Daily has long been established as a fan of alternate broadcasts. um you know especially on primetime games and luke keekly sees the spotlight in the alternate broadcast space last year with espn uh specifically it was the colts primetime game philip rivers first start against i believe the 49ers right where keekly is doing the tony romo but doing it a million times better which is that he's essentially telling you what's going to happen on the field doing it with less words um and doing it more clearly and without the whole rise and fall of energy that often accompanies Tony Romo and just showing his expertise and how he was he made himself into one of the best players in the NFL during his time which guys would often you know recall stories in which he would be calling their plays out before the snap because he knew what was coming and then would go make the tackle now he brings that to the broadcast booth he was excellent in that ESPN broadcast on that primetime night and he's going to be excellent in this job it's a well-deserved opportunity for Luke Keekly I'm looking forward to it you know I've interviewed him i've seen him in interviews over the years he's so low-key and calm i was like does he have the juice to be like a broadcaster type but he has been that's the key though you don't have to have the juice and be screaming into the microphone a little though you there's like a balance you can't have no juice and i think that that will come but what he's going to be able to do is educate the average viewer on a platform that has lacked that voice in their still you know it's like the nascent era of Netflix streaming NFL games.

22:59Nick Shook:I think that's going to be so valuable that he's going to be a fan favorite among anybody who's curious about the game of football. No, all I mean is you got to speak authoritatively. It's not like you have to scream or anything like that. And for all I know, like he already is and can and does. And I'm really looking forward to it. They said he had great chemistry with Noah Eagle. That was Andrew Marchand in The Athletic with that report. And he's been doing radio for the Panthers. It's not like I've been listening to the radio broadcast of the Panthers. So that is great practice of like learning your craft.

23:28Let's pivot to the Kyle Shanahan news, which we talked about on Monday in terms of his car accident. I did just want to update. He has been showing up to practice on a very limited basis. He's still coming off of that concussion. And we'll see when he's back fully. Grant Cohn of Sports Illustrated.com, who covers the 49ers, found a public records report that said Kyle Shanahan reportedly had a cell phone in his hand at the time of the accident. But the officers made no charges because it was the victim who he crashed into that actually went over the median into his side and crashed. And they determined afterwards that no one was at fault.

24:16So that is the official police vantage point of the Kyle Shanahan accident. And I don't think that there's going to be much more on that. And we just hope that Kyle Shanahan is ready. And eventually, obviously, he'll answer questions about the accident and about his recovery when he's back. And good enough to be in front of a microphone. The Vikings signed Jamal Adams. Remember Jamal Adams was in the league last year on the Raiders? Yes. The Vikings also suspended their defensive backs coach, Gerald Alexander, for three weeks for a DUI. This is the second DUI from a position coach in as many days.

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24:55when it came to the Commanders, their coach, Gerald Alexander, was suspended for three weeks. And then I'm just going to run through some news really quick before we get to your all under 25 team. When it comes to PUP lists, just you tell me what stands out to you off of this list that I give you. Devon HN, not on the PUP list. We'll be ready to practice tomorrow. And if you're just tuning in, six teams have been practicing. Now the Panthers and Cardinals for about a week. the Seahawks, the Patriots, the 49ers, the Rams now for about three days. So we've had these practice reports. Every other team was showing up on Tuesday and we'll start practicing on Wednesday.

25:34So that's why we got a lot of Pup List information and more will be coming tomorrow. Devon H.N. of the Dolphins will be ready to practice tomorrow on some basis. DeForest Buckner, the defensive tackle for the Colts, was cleared to return from a neck injury, will not be on the Pup List, will be practicing. His teammate Alec Pierce will be on the Pup List. He is at least a week or two away from any level of practice, according to the GM Chris Ballard. Tucker Kraft, no surprise, coming off a torn ACL is on the pup list. And Jalen Ramsey is going to be out for a few weeks with an injury we didn't know about for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

26:09What stands out to you for those injury updates to start camp?

26:13Nick Shook:Probably Ramsey, given his age and importance to the Steelers defense as kind of a star. not you know he's a little bit of a safety slash slot corner type of guy at this point in his career um not encouraging but they're also not too worried about it that's probably what stands out to me the most good news for a chan because he's gonna have to carry that offense this year in miami right so it's nice for him to hit the ground running that's about it as we're taping this by the way more contracts are happening uh the vikings signed tackle brian o 'neill to a four year 96 million dollar contract extension that's too bad i've been working on my top my early top 25 list for next year's free agent.

26:52Brian O 'Neill was under consideration. An aging tackle that's had some injury issues, but rock solid, good starter when he's been out there. He's been on the Vikings forever. So we'll get into the details, at least I will, behind the scenes and just see where the contract guarantees are. But I'm sure he's going to be locked in for the next couple years. So that's good news for the Vikings, bad news for my list. Baker Mayfield would be very good news for my list. So I hope he makes it to free agency. The Chiefs lost an edge. Ethan Downs to a torn ACL. You hate to see that early in camp. People that cover the team closely thought he was a good bet to make that team as a kind of edge depth special team or so.

27:32Unfortunate for Downs. The Panthers keep having bad luck. The cart was out for tight end Mitchell Evans at practice on Tuesday. So we'll find out more on him. It's an ankle injury. Dave Canales didn't sound that worried, but we'll see. and then JC Horn, their cornerback, is off the PUP list. That's it for the injury news. Who knows? More might happen by the time we finish taping, but we're going to take a break, and then we're going to come back with some of the controversial picks on Nick Schuch's all 25 and under team. Or is it under 25? It's under 25.

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30:39Nick Shook:I'll tell you that. So we're working on it. We're working on making sure Nick Shook is locked in like Jalen Carter and making him a bigger part of the NFL Daily Universe. And I couldn't be happier. He'd be on my all under 35 team. You're still under 35, right? Yes, I'm 34. Let's go. Your playing day is long past, but you are an offensive line expert. We will get to the offensive linemen in a minute. but this exercise is on NFL.com. Check it out. You can find it. Just look up shook all under 25 team. And we start at quarterback. Was it easy to go with Drake? Me? Yeah. You know, I understand that you can think about Caleb.

31:23Nick Shook:You can think about Stroud. I had to go with Drake, The guy finished second in NFL MVP last year. He led his team to the Superbowl. Okay. I, I just couldn't, I couldn't pick anybody else regardless of the arguments and Jane Daniels doesn't qualify because he's not under 25. And that's the key under 25 by the start of the NFL season. We had a couple of guys that missed it by mere days. So Jaden Daniels wouldn't have even been an option, but it is amazing how things change fast. Cause I think Jane Daniels would have been the consensus answer a year ago. Caleb Williams would definitely have been the consensus answer two years ago.

31:59And yet I think there's a pretty big gap right now. And Caleb and Drake May both have the advantage that they were, compared to a lot of these quarterbacks, drafted pretty young. So it's like, yeah, Drake May has just turned 24 and he could still be getting better. I like that CJ Stroud is eligible for this list, but Jaden Daniels is not. A reminder that CJ is still developing. At running back, it's really just deciding between the best running backs in the league. This was just kind of a reminder to me that John Robinson and Jameer Gibbs are still both under 25 entering the season. And so is Devon Achan, by the way.

32:34You could absolutely make the argument that's one, two, three in the league, depending on where you have James Cook. And Achan's only, he's under 24, I think. Like, it really is something that running backs, it's unfortunate for them, but they're at their very best right away.

32:50Nick Shook:Yeah, they are. They are. And then they usually fall off a cliff. That's the old dreaded age 30 wall. Not always true for everybody. Derek Henry looking at you. Congratulations on beating the allegations of the age 30 wall. But yeah, they're usually their best right when they get the NFL because of the wear and tear that is associated with the position. But it was nice to have two running back slots so I could put Bijan and Jameer in there. Sorry. Well, that's because you're making the slots. I didn't. I don't think that's OK. I would have just had one. I've fallen previous formats in a column that I picked up from somebody else.

33:18Nick Shook:You're just a lemming. I know you're picking up a lot of columns these days. Yes. Just send me down this path. You can do whatever you want. So if you wanted to do that, you absolutely could. And the argument would be that Jameer Gibbs is a better player than any third receiver you could find. Because your top two receivers was Jackson Smith and Jigba and Tetaroa McMillan, which was cool to see on this list already. And so is Jameer Gibbs better than any third receiver? I would imagine he is. The options would have been Malik Nabors, who's hurt. Brian Thomas Jr., who wasn't the same in his second year.

33:57Ladd McConkie, I guess, would be an option there. But it's crazy. When they do the top 100 reveal, I wonder how high Bajan and Jameer Gibbs are going to be, period. I mean, if you're kind of taking away positional value, are they top 10 players in the NFL?

34:14Nick Shook:Yeah, I would put them there, just because of how important they are to their offenses. Like both, just as three down backs. I mean, we know that Bajon's like the central focus of the Falcons offense, both under the previous regime and will be under this one, too, because he's one of the best players in the NFL. And the same is large as the truth for Jameer Gibbs, who took over that backfield and gave the Lions reason to trade away David Montgomery. But you're right. It is the process that I can still do anything I want, right? And you know what affords me that opportunity? The flex position, which is where Devon A.

34:40Nick Shook:Chan landed. So he did make the team. Jokes on the haters. OK, this is where I have a problem. And I'd have very few problems. I wanted to have more problems. it would have made a better segment. Malik neighbor is just too hurt to put on. And I can't justify any of the other receivers because Brian, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I would much rather have run a too tight end set here with Brock Bowers and Colston Loveland, then put a Chan out there with a third running back. I think you could even make the argument. You just leave Bajon Robinson. You say, sorry to Jameer Gibbs and you go 13 personnel.

35:18and you go Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland and Brock Bowers. That's actually too much. I don't think Tyler Warren is as good. I do think Colston Loveland, if I'm just buying stock in players, I would rather have him on my team than Devon A. Chan or any third receiver. I'm going Loveland here.

35:37Nick Shook:I thought you were going to say that you wanted three receivers because the modern NFL often sees three receivers. Although you're right, the shift toward 12, 13 personnel does create space for another 10. I love Loveland. Loveland kind of is that third receiver. He is a bigger Puka Nakua. I mean, he's not as good as Puka Nakua, but he can do a lot of the same things. But he's also operating in an offense that also has another good tight end opposite him in Cole Komet. So you have to consider that as well. And let's consider the positional value argument that you just made. I think if I'm looking at each of those players individually, who is most important to me if I'm building this roster out, this offense?

36:08Nick Shook:I'm taking Achan over Loveland. You're crazy. No, I'm not. I love Achan. and ultimately I would put Gibbs in my starting lineup just because he's so good. I have a little bit of an issue putting him as high as Bajon. Like, I guess I want to see another year of Gibbs in this all do everything inside runs to just, but to me, he's like a top 25 player in the league and he's a strong number two running back. A-chan, I'm not there yet. Not all the way there and it's going to be a difficult situation. Yeah, I'm worried you're not going to get there this year either. Would you take Loveland over Warren if you're drafting right now?

36:52Nick Shook:That's tough because you have to consider how do they use Tyler Warren. You have to think about the quarterback situation and how it evolved over the course of the season with the Colts. You only have one year of sample size. Because Loveland's your long-term answer at that position in Chicago. Yes, I will. I will. You know why? Because for as good as Tyler Warren is, and he's excellent, he's almost a bit too much of a throwback for me to want to take him as highly as I would take Colston Loveland. But I do think that the jury is still out on this debate because we haven't seen Loveland thrust into a tight end one situation yet.

37:30I think he was the last five games of the year. But I hear what you're saying. There's two guys on the field. He doesn't have to do everything. But that's fine. That's just the NFL. And he can block. and it's why I had Trey McBride as my tight end one. I got into trouble on Twitter on Monday with Raiders fans when I said Trey McBride is tight end one in the league. I was making the case that the Cardinals offense is really exciting. And one of the things I said was Trey McBride's tight end one. This isn't fantasy, bro. Trey McBride is the king right now. It's not Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers could go to Canton.

38:03Brock Bowers, I've been pumping up since the day he got into the league. He is special, special, but he wasn't fully healthy. last year and the two-way flexibility that Trey McBride gives you he has a chance to be like the best at that since maybe Gronk and Kittle like I you got to put Kittle in that in that you can't just ignore Kittle but he is in that conversation already with with Pete Kittle and so so for now I know we're getting off track you're all 25 team but I well no no that's right is a clear tight

38:36Nick Shook:and one to me yeah he is obviously he's not eligible because he's 26 years old coming up on 27 um but you know who agrees with you the folks who make madden nfl because they list him as one of their six 99 overall players so i think you're on to something here top six players in the nfl that's pretty wild it was stafford josh allen miles garrett did jsn get in there jsn and jamar Chase and Trey McBride. That was your six. I feel bad for Justin Jefferson. What did he do? I know it wasn't a great season. He's probably a 98. I would put Bajan in there at a 99. I agree. Offensive linemen, you went Joe Alt and Josh Simmons as your tackles.

39:19That's interesting. Tyler Booker as one of your guards. Gray Zabel as another one. Tyler Booker, of course, the Cowboys. Gray Zabel of the Seahawks. Josh Simmons, the first-round pick of the Chiefs last year who missed a lot of time and joe all who was hurt for the chargers but has looked great when he's been out there and then at center a little bit of a surprise tanner borna bordellini what who was the toughest one

39:43Nick Shook:of these guys to put on who did you think about um joe all was a slam dunk um simmons was difficult just because he hasn't played a full season but when he was out there he was very good um i zabel was a bit of projection i think um because he wasn't super consistent as a rookie but you see the signs of what he can become. I think about when he played against the Steelers and kind of got victimized by Cam Hayward, but that happens to young guys. Welcome to the NFL. Tanner Bordelini was very easy to pick. He's been one of my favorites since I saw him at the combine a few years ago. And he really took a huge step forward last year on a Colts offensive line that I think you and I both agreed they were headed in the wrong direction a couple of years ago.

40:23Nick Shook:And then their rebuild turned out to be the right move and surprised a lot of us. He's a key part of that. So that was an easy choice as well. And I think Tyler Booker, maybe there's a bit of like personal, uh, want to see him on that list. Uh, he said, he, I'm telling you, that's a little bit more projection, but he still finished 16th among 81 qualified offensive guards, according to PFF. So we'll roll with it. Well, the theory that if you're closer to the ball, that it might take you a little longer to develop. And that makes sense because you need to get the strength to hold up. The NFL is born out when you look at the options, because there just aren't many good guard and center options.

41:01There are not many good defensive tackle options. And these are all the interior players. And so I didn't have a problem with that because I didn't know where I would go at guard. Skaransky from Tennessee would have made sense. He was a month too old. So no fault there. He was initially on the list until I verified age. Center could have been Zach Frazier, Graham Barton are two good young centers, but I have no problem. Bordellini makes sense. Tackle is where I would change Simmons. Simmons, and you're calling your shot. The ceiling is probably the highest. It might look best, and NFL GMs might agree with you.

41:34The fact that he was away from the team and you're not really sure what was going on there, some personal issues. You got Armand Membu just sitting right there who was there the whole time and is physically awesome. You also have Darnell Wright, who Bears fans will tell you and real ball knowers will tell you. He has developed into one of the best right tackles in the league, and he's going to get paid and he's still under 25. So those are two good options. I would have taken Membu over Simmons. Plus, you kind of took two left tackles and cheated. Let's be honest.

42:03Nick Shook:I know. Well, Alt's playing right because he doesn't have to play left. Oh, my bad. No, no. I'm an idiot. You're right. He could be playing left, but not on the Chargers. He could be playing left. He's a left archetype for sure. He could be playing left. He might play left someday. Actually, no. Darnell Wright doesn't qualify, by the way. Darnell Wright doesn't qualify. He turns 25 in August. so i didn't make it just like skaronski at edge you have nick herbig we've talked a lot about him abdul carter i feel like we were ahead of trend having abdul carter in our top 12 i think edge draft um some options although i agree with your two picks would be tuli tuli pelotu he's only 23 years old how is that possible how young was he when he got drafted super incredible and he's do a new contract.

42:52He's someone to watch in terms of a possible holdout. Not many other great options. It got me thinking there's been a few busts and slow developers at edge the last couple of years. Dallas Turner. I think Jalen Walker has potential for the Falcons, but Chop Robinson, Miles Murphy, Mike Green, some players that haven't worked out. And so there weren't a ton of options, I think, behind your edge picks. Any thoughts on your edges?

43:18Nick Shook:No, because I thought about because part of the exercise is going through the recent draft classes to make sure I didn't miss anybody and I landed on a guy like chop robinson landed on a miles murphy and I'm just like it's just not there um I think that what I found is the trenches are where the young guys have the hardest time to find instant success and end up on a team like this you know it's crazy will anderson who might be in the top three top five top 10 certainly of the top 100 players list he only missed this by a week so that's how yep he's he's still my heart young guy makes the job that much harder yeah defensive tackles i mentioned not much depth you have byron murphy from the seahawks man what a good young player that is and walter nolan from the cardinals and this was the position where yeah they're just you had to sort of make a projection from nolan why did you do that yeah um because when he stepped in the field you could see that he was immediately one of their best players and made an instant impact he just didn't play very much as a rookie because of injuries he began the season injured he'd suffered an injury ended the season injured it was just a rough rookie year for him but when he's healthy I mean there was a reason that when we went into the pre-draft process last year you heard his name being mentioned all the time because his college tape was fantastic and in the games that he played it translated immediately it's just a matter of he needs to stay healthy for a whole year I'm really excited to watch him play football this year I hope he can stay healthy for a full season I think he's a name that a lot of people don't know yet and they're going to know it soon.

44:47Totally agree. And yet it points out how hard it is to find a good young defensive tackle. And the classes recently have been pretty disappointing. Tyleek Williams for the Lions last year. Jerry Newton for the Commanders has been hurt his first two years. Mason Graham, we'll see. Like not a bad rookie year, but makes sense. He went with Nolan. Like Kenneth Grant struggled his rookie year. uh Mauro Ojimo from the Eagles just missed the cutoff good good young player but only missed it by a month or two uh I I tried to poke some holes in your list and finally I found one at linebacker you have Cedric Gray and Carson Schwestinger I would definitely go Edron Cooper this is the first one I was just like I'm going Edron Cooper over Cedric Gray and you know Cooper with the Packers by the way for everyone yeah tuning in and and as soon as we arrived at this

45:38Nick Shook:group I thought oh Cooper's not on the list and that's where I think I got lost in the process because not to say that these picks that I made weren't good but I agree I think Edge Cooper is one of the better inside linebackers and he probably deserves to be on this list so that's a that's a blind spot miss for me but Cedric Gray piled up a ton of tackles on a bad Titans team and but also on a Titans defense that has Jeff Simmons on it that had Tavondre Sweat in the interior last year he did his job well and I think that there's always going to be value in a player who consistently piles up a lot of tackles.

46:07Nick Shook:Unless you're like a Joe Showbert and you're making those tackles six yards down the field. I mean, Cedric Gray's a good player. I like him too. I just think Cooper could be special. Jahad Campbell of the Eagles is one to watch this year as someone who could really emerge. I started thinking about Schwestinger. And if you look at the defensive rookie of the year winners, they used to always be off-ball linebackers. At one point, like five straight years, it was off-ball linebackers it was like Jonathan Vilma and D 'Amico Ryan Gerard Mayo and and I was starting to think there are kind of two archetypes of defensive rookie of the years at linebacker and some turn out to be all-time greats Urlacher, Keekly, Patrick Willis Jonathan Vilma is like a tick below that but he was an incredible player and then others are more like they were so mature and smart and professional right when they were rookies they were kind of like as good as they would ever be as a rookie and they were good players but defensive rookie of the year that never kind of went to the next level i would throw gerard mayo the former patriots coach in that mix demiko ryan's as a player is kind of in that mix he was a good player but but he didn't really take that step brian cushing is another Texan.

47:24The Texans have had a few. Which bucket do you think Swessinger fits in?

47:29Nick Shook:That's a good question because I think about archetypes when you're describing those two groups. What made them special? And when you mention the likes of a Keekly or a Patrick Willis, it's not only the understanding of the game and the instinctive play, but it's also the athleticism, the ranginess of it. And especially now, as we lean so heavily on sub packages defensively that if you have that range and you can go sideline to sideline then you can carve out a very productive long career and i think schwashinger leans in that direction that's a big strength of his yeah it's just a matter of can he stay on the field i mean he played 16 games last year and he gutted out his final game the win over the steelers which earned him a lot of praise in the locker room from you know his teammates um can he do that you know consistently over the next five to ten years that's really what's going to define it and i hate to like couch it with like oh can he stay healthy but I think for him especially because that's his greatest strength is his athleticism I think that's going to be an important part of it well player type you're absolutely right and what are they similar questions were asked about Urlacher Keekly maybe even Patrick Willis in terms of size so in terms of range you're right Shresthawner has got it and yeah he was a walk-on he hasn't been playing big time football like he's still learning things I do think like archetype he kind of fits into that mold versus the other and then And the secondary list was almost laughable because it was so good.

48:51Kamari Lasseter, Christian Gonzalez, Cooper DeGene, you have kind of as a flex, but I put him at, let's say slack cornerback, basically. Safety is Nicky Minwari and Brian Branch. I mean, that could just be your all pro. That could just be who are the five best defensive backs in the league. They all happen to be under 25, which is just an interesting thinking about different positions, which ones are good early, which ones aren't. It's instructive. sauce Gardner is not even on this list and he only missed it by a week or else he would have had to make a tougher decision, but he got that monster contract before he was 25.

49:25So just like a lot of good young defensive backs.

49:28Nick Shook:Yeah. It's the, like we said, it's harder, I think to flourish earlier in your career when you're closer to the ball, as opposed to when you're playing secondary. The same is true. I think for a receiver for young guys that, and especially now we get guys to come out of college with a complete route tree and can immediately make a difference at the NFL level. The same is kind of true now for cornerbacks. You know, it's kind of the evolution of the game is receivers getting better. So our cornerbacks need to get better. Our safeties need to get better. But it is funny. Little inside baseball. The debate I had with editors about how exactly to classify some of these guys, because like Dejean spent his career as a slot corner.

50:00Nick Shook:He was also an all pro corner opposite Quinion Mitchell last year. Does he end up in the flex because he's a slot corner? Even Worry played all over the place, right? He's classified as a safety everywhere except next gen, but he played all over the place. Some people could see him as a slot as well. I keep him with his standard classification as it stands right now branch gets on the list because even though he battled injuries last year his production over his first three years has been worthwhile the one guy that I need to see a little bit more from and this is going to rub you the wrong way is Christian Gonzalez he's the I think of the five in this group he's the one that I still need to see more from uh because Lasseter opposite uh Derek Stingley has been an excellent player for the Texans I agree Christian Gonzalez is almost like the Jalen Carter of cornerbacks in that you see it, it's just everything you want.

50:48He's going to get this monster contract. He's taking a surprising route that he's practicing fully at camp despite needing the new contract, wanting the new contract. He's going to be in pads and everything. Good on him for doing that, but I respect either way of doing it. I agree with you. I don't think it's been in every week, every month, every game situation for him. it's just the flashes the streaks are capital e elite like better than kamari lassiter even and as good as as as anything sauce did but i agree i kind of am with you there awesome i'm

51:24Nick Shook:glad that we don't i will say this i want to give one mention because i didn't have room for honorable mentions and again apologies to edge cooper but the one guy that i wanted to put in the secondary group that i tried my hardest was xavier watts i know my favorite this was the only one you asked me about i was flattered yeah yeah because i couldn't i was i lost sleep over I wake up in the morning. I was like, I gotta text Greg because I need to eliminate one. Brian Branch has done so much and I know he's coming off an injury. He's been great. Yeah, Watts had five picks last year. Watts is going to be a good player.

51:54Nick Shook:He was really good at Notre Dame. I don't know how he lasted in the third round. I can't wait to watch him this year as well. Shout out Terry Fontenot for that Falcons team. That draft with Jalen Walker actually might age well, but he won't get to see it. We're on another rebuild. We don't need to see any more out of Nick Shook. We know he's contract extension worthy. I'm looking forward to working with you all season long, Shook, but not tomorrow. Hit that music. We're going to do some news. We're going to do another division preview. People have been liking the division preview format. Thank you for that.

52:28Jordan will be with me in the studio. We're going to be talking AFC North. Shoot, we should have Shooki on that show. Maybe we'll get him in the mix. We'll see you then.

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