WILD Bills-Falcons & Bears-Commanders Doubleheader Caps Off Week 6!

14 Oct 2025 · 51 min · 15 chapters

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In short

The episode is a Monday-night NFL recap focused on a Bears-Commanders doubleheader and the Falcons-Bills game. Guests/hosts: Nick Shook (main analyst) and Jeff Joniak (WMVP) appear on-air; the show also references co-host Katie Caldwell and “London Fletcher” and “Bram Weinstein” from the Commanders broadcast.

Key claims

Bears overcame a 13-0 deficit and a turnover deficit (3-0) to win 25-24, largely due to DeAndre Swift’s 108 rushing yards plus a 55-yard TD catch, improved offensive line play, and Jake Moody’s clutch kicking (including overcoming a blocked kick). Jaden Daniels played well (19/26, 3 TDs) but fumbled late in the rain; a dropped/failed play and a defense stop swung win probability (15% to 42%).

Notable examples

Swift’s sideline catch-and-run; Bears’ measured field-goal drive; Falcons’ 24-14 win over Bills led by Bijan Robinson’s 238 scrimmage yards and a defense that “caged” Josh Allen with pressure and multiple sacks.

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Bears Upset Victory Recap

0:54 to 4:00

Discussing the Bears vs. Commanders game and DeAndre Swift's standout performance.

“And yes, that is Jake Moody finishing off a Bears upset victory on a wild Monday night football.”

Game Highlights and Key Plays

4:00 to 6:00

Analyzing crucial moments and touchdowns in the Bears-Commanders game.

“He breaks a tackle, one of the worst tackle attempts I've seen in a long time, by the way, and takes it to the house for a crucial touchdown.”

Jaden Daniels' Performance Assessment

6:00 to 8:00

Evaluating Jaden Daniels' performance and its implications for the Commanders.

“Now, they did do some Bears-y things right before that.”

Bears' Defensive Improvements

8:00 to 10:00

Discussing the Bears' defensive success and design success rates in the game.

“It's baby steps, but it's turning into wins, which is the way you get fans on board with this.”

Analyzing Offensive Strategies

10:00 to 14:00

Breaking down the offensive strategies and key plays from the Bears and Commanders.

“But I'm not certain that that kick's going to end up between the uprights anyway because of the angle that it came out.”

Commanders vs. Bears: Analyzing the Game

14:00 to 20:21

A deep dive into the Bears' comeback win against the Commanders and its implications.

“And I was really surprised the way Washington's run game has been going.”

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“And yet, I do not think it was the most fascinating or best game of the night.”

Falcons vs. Bills: Bijan Robinson's Breakout

23:23 to 28:00

Highlighting Bijan Robinson's standout performance and the Falcons' victory over the Bills.

“I don't think Pajon Robinson needed, like, a breakout game or a...”

Falcons' Defense Dominates Bills Offense

28:00 to 32:28

Explore how the Falcons' defense effectively limited the Bills' offensive performance.

“made him look human, made him look uncomfortable for a variety of reasons that we'll get into.”

Analysis of Quarterback Pressure and Play Calling

32:28 to 39:08

Discussion on quarterback pressure, play calling, and the impact on Josh Allen's performance.

“And man, you think of this game and I just kept thinking, wow, the Falcons, that, that first half performance was incredible on defense.”
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Injuries and Player Performances in the Game

39:15 to 42:01

Review of key player injuries and their implications for both teams during the game.

“Look, sometimes it shows up later, doesn't show up at all, but that's when you go to their competitor, not Uber Eats.”

Injury Updates and Player Performances

42:01 to 45:29

Discussion on key player injuries and their impact on the game.

“and that led to a lot of time for Tyrell Shavers.”

Analyzing the Falcons and Bills' Strategies

45:30 to 47:39

Breakdown of the Falcons' offensive strategies and the Bills' defensive adjustments.

“But I also don't want to forget the dimes.”

MVP Conversations and Player Evaluations

47:40 to 50:04

Exploration of MVP candidates and performance metrics in Week 6.

“The Falcons are 3-2, where it's just like, all right, you're in position.”

The Future of NFL Doubleheaders

50:04 to 53:08

Discussion on the significance of doubleheaders and changes in scheduling.

“There's no Jerry West losing the NBA finals and winning NBA finals MVP.”
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0:00Nick Shook:This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Lowe's knows Sundays are for football. So tackle your home improvement projects by Saturday and earn your Sunday with great deals on LG and Bosch appliances, select Bounty and Swiffer cleaning products, and more. Then once your to-do list is done, get ready to kick back, relax, and enjoy the game. Shop in-store or online now and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the NFL.

0:53We haven't even met Jake Moody yet. That is Jeff Joniak on WMVP. And yes, that is Jake Moody finishing off a Bears upset victory on a wild Monday night football. Doubleheader, 25 for the Bears, 24 for the Washington Commanders on a night that featured some great running back performances. who would have thought it was the DeAndre Swift game, just like that Falcons game was the Bajon Robinson game. We are going to get to both of the great doubleheader games on this Monday night. All games, no news, with Nick Shook when Jaden Daniels had the ball in the fourth quarter. Commanders driving up two.

1:44what percentage chance did you give for the bears to pull this one out after blowing a 13 to nothing

1:51Nick Shook:lead uh i think it was probably like below 20 percent in fact uh next gen stats had it at 15 percent when he scrambled for eight yards with 314 left and then when he fumbled and gave the ball back to the bears it jumped up to 42 percent so we're within the ballpark it all it all uh you You know, adds up math wise. And on a night where, you know, I was ready to talk about all the things that the Washington commanders overcame. And yes, they lost the turnover battle three to nothing tonight. Jaden Daniels, a bad interception early. And then a great game until late in the rain affected a couple of plays.

2:33The ball slips out of his hands. He never even gets it to Bill, a.k.a. Ja 'Cory Krosky-Meritt. The Bears pick it up. But the game's not over at that point.

2:44Nick Shook:No. The Washington Commanders could make a stop. And their defense had played well for most of the night. But if the Bears had lost this game, I was going to point out all the positives. And the number one positive Nick shook is that they went into the bye and they came out and they figured out their run game. DeAndre Swift finishes with 108 yards on the ground. He also, by the way, leads the team in receiving because he had that 55-yard touchdown catch off a broken tackle to end up with 67 yards through the air. They did look like a different team up front, and I know that makes Nick Shook happy.

3:22Nick Shook:Yeah, it does, because that's been their Achilles heel going back to the Justin Fields era, really, is that we didn't have an offensive line that was good enough to protect our quarterback. We didn't have an offensive line that was good enough to create running lanes for whoever we had back there, whether it was David Montgomery or now it's DeAndre Swift. And I've always thought that DeAndre Swift is an underrated running back, even from his days in Detroit, who could never just quite put it all together. Not saying that he has put it all together, but tonight was probably one of his best performances of his career when it comes to versatility and being a valuable player on all three downs.

3:51Nick Shook:And especially in this inclement weather, as it's raining hard in Landover, Maryland, he's coming through with big runs in the fourth quarter with that big catch and run. He breaks a tackle, one of the worst tackle attempts I've seen in a long time, by the way, and takes it to the house for a crucial touchdown. and then they iced the game kind of going in reverse here but they iced the game with runs of four 10 15 yards for deandre swift to move them into field goal range to set up jake moody for the game winner that is what the bears identity should be if you're going to turn around a team let's go back to the lions and what they did with ben johnson it started on the ground it's got to start on the ground for the bears to help caleb williams develop and we saw all of it come together tonight yeah don't don't you just see the imprint of the ben johnson off oh yeah like easy buttons there caleb williams ended up with great numbers 252 yards and a touchdown on 29 attempts 17 for 29 on a night that i thought he made a lot of mistakes but i think that shows you what a strong team around him i thought the pass protection for the most part was good the running game obviously supported him and then yeah you you have enough plays where you're throwing it to your backs in the flat you might hit a big one let's listen to that deandre swift touchdown catch down the sideline football at the 45 yard line bears territory snap back sugar rush and a throw to the left is caught by swift sidelines and he gets away from the tackle away at the 30 angles middle 15, 10, goodbye!

5:24Nick Shook:DeAndre Swift, the touchdown! Catch and run, 55 big ones! And the Bears are two-pointer away from tying it up. 24-22 Washington. Yeah, it's easy to forget that, yeah, the Commanders came back in this game. You know what? The Bears did too. That was a touchdown. They're down 24-16 after Washington has a great drive, finished off with a touchdown by Zach Ertz. and they get that quick drive. That was just the third play of the drive to Swift. And that's the drive, you know, that sets up ultimately the game-winning field goal drive. Now, they did do some Bears-y things right before that. They get the ball right near the goal line.

6:07They have a legal, you know, I think it was a pre-snap penalty right on the goal line. They get stuffed on the goal line. They have a drop on a throw from Caleb Williams that could have gone for a big play to Zaccheaus. And you think, oh man, it's going to be so close. and Bears fans probably don't want to hear it, but they should just be so happy. Like sometimes programs turn around and teams start to believe in themselves a little bit and the ball starts going in the right direction with a little bit of luck. And I think they made their own luck by running the ball well early in this game and getting enough stops on Washington.

6:42And they got a little bit of luck there with the drop from Jaden Daniels and they took advantage of it.

6:47Nick Shook:Yeah, you know, that's the thing that has been probably the most like the most standout attribute for this team over the last few weeks has been that they are going to battle like bad teams get that opportunity for example the cleveland browns just throwing a team out there but they're not the only one get that opportunity and don't cash that in either don't get in field goal range or don't make the field goal the bears did it and they did it like with a measured drive like with confidence like we know high pressure situation but we're going to slowly move down into field goal range we already like where we are field position wise we're going to trust our kicker in a rainy night and they got it done they got it done in vegas two weeks ago in the fourth quarter caleb williams leading a big drive those two games showed me that's the first clue as they start to try to turn a corner under ben johnson that his impact is starting to show with this team because they are battling they believe they're playing through all 60 minutes and even when it looks unlikely that they're going to come away with a win they take advantage of those opportunities that that pop up out of nowhere and they cash them in.

7:46Nick Shook:And that's what makes me so excited for them because it's not pretty all the time. Over four quarters, it's not pretty. Like you said, Caleb made some mistakes. He also made some great throws. He had that touchdown pass to Romo Dunze that was wiped out by offensive pass interference. I mean, I'm just very excited about what we're starting to see. It's baby steps, but it's turning into wins, which is the way you get fans on board with this. I hated that call on a Dunze. I'm glad you pointed that out. That was a huge play in this game. They called an offensive pass interference and that's just a call you just don't see much.

8:17I don't know what's with the OPIs this week and the Patriots had a couple of bad ones called on them. I get why they saw it, but I think they were calling that a little too close and that was a great throw by Williams. He also had some plays where he was late, like the two-point conversion. He has an open receiver. He just doesn't throw it. There's a fourth down play earlier in the game where I thought if he let go of the ball quicker, he gets it, but he hesitates just a little bit and ends up getting deflected. Turnover on downs. There were enough bad things that happened in this game that you thought, man, this is going to be a typical Bears type of loss.

8:53One of those things was on special teams. And, you know, I think we just kind of skipped past the fact that Jake Moody is the kicker for the Bears. Jake Moody hit four kicks. When they flash that up, you know, career long for Jake Moody line on the last drive, I'm like, it is raining. It is Jake Moody. You want to get so far past that line. And you know what? They did it. And he went, did he go four for four on field goals? Well, he had one blocked. Yes. The ones that he actually got over the line, you know, he made it. There was one that didn't go over the line. We haven't heard Bram Weinstein in this show.

9:29So let's just take a listen to the field goal block call. More kicking right to left.

9:34Nick Shook:Here's the snap. Holds down. It got blocked. Washington special teams blocked the kick to me. in the lead and logan you talking about you think we're gonna block a kick because moody i've been kicking him pretty low i mean look at that though fledge look at us almost like knowing what we're talking about i have a theory greg yes we've talked about the juice cables and how they're like helping kickers you know reach new distances that we've never seen before and like the field goal record is going to get broken at some point this year right but we've also seen some really weird movement on these kicks and i think that also is related to the cable because Because that one off the foot, first he kicks it right into a wall of defenders.

10:13Nick Shook:Yes, it was a low angled kick. Yes, it was ripe to get blocked. But I'm not certain that that kick's going to end up between the uprights anyway because of the angle that it came out. Unless it does a little bit of the dance back toward the center between the goal posts. Who knows? Maybe he's put a little bit of a fade on it or a draw. I can't remember which one's which. But he might have missed that one. Either way, it gets blocked. Game continues. And the Bears overcome that, which is crucial to this. Yeah, and I mean, it's a big job overcoming the loss of two-lane great Cairo Santos, but they managed to do it with the most surprising kicker possible, Jake Moody.

10:46Shout out to everyone in the chat right now, by the way. Love the comment. I love football. I hate fantasy football, but I love NFL Daily. My poor son almost interrupted the YouTube tonight to walk in right before we were starting to tape, literally crying, which sucks to see. He saw Jaden Daniels lead his team to a great comeback against one of his best friends. And then Jaden Daniels' fumble at the last second gives you the negative, too. You aren't really a fantasy football owner until you have a game exactly like that. And I'm sure Jaden Daniels is feeling heartbroken, too, because he really did play well tonight.

11:29You know, I know, look, the ball slips out of his hands. That's unfortunate. The interception at the beginning, that's not like him. But between that, you know, I thought he played really well. The first touchdown throw was absolutely fantastic. Let's listen to that one while we're here.

11:48Nick Shook:Second to 10 at the 22. Snap to Daniels. Here comes another blitz from Chicago. He's got time. Loading up. Wants it off for Chris Moore. There he goes. He better catch him. He did both feet down. He did. Touchdown. touchdown Washington incredible test by Chris Moore that's it right there the Bears octagold man to man across the board and this is just what you want beautiful pass by Chris Moore on a slot fade Jayden just pops it in the bucket for the touchdown oh great catch and uh that's London Fletcher on the call with their friend Bram and it's really noticeable that like they're getting these huge plays from Jalen Lane a rookie who had a really nice double move on a touchdown from Zach Ertz, who I thought was done a couple of years ago and is still playing well, from Chris Moore, who I don't think 99 % of the audience is familiar with.

12:38And this was like a quiet Debo Samuel night, no Terry McLaurin. So it's such a surprising group around him. And I thought whenever he needed to make a play tonight, he did, especially with his legs when the Bears did get pressure, which was not enough for the Bears tonight.

12:52Nick Shook:Yeah, I think it's essential that you bring that up when discussing this game, because for the first time, since maybe like week one, Jalen Jaden looked like himself. Like he looked like the quarterback who didn't have any issue. He was agile again. He was dynamic. You know, he was mobile. He was picking up yards on the ground with his legs and key spots. Like you mentioned, you know, 10 carries for 52 yards. He goes 19 to 26 for two, 11 and three touchdowns. Like that is Jaden Daniels, who we know from last year. And until this point, we hadn't really seen 2024 offensive rookie of the year, Jaden Daniels.

13:22Nick Shook:We'd seen like a smaller reduced version of him. So that should be a really promising takeaway from this game for the commanders. Yes, the loss will sting, but your quarterback looks like who he's supposed to be. And that can get you so much further, especially without these, the receivers that usually depend on either out there or contributing in a big way. That's all really important for you as you go forward. So the loss, the one loss is going to hurt, but you're going to flush that move on and be very happy that it looks like your quarterback's back to who he is and you can continue to build around it.

13:49Yeah. The most surprising thing to me in this game was bears design success rate, 56%. which is sky high and commanders 34.8%. So you got to give the bears defense credit. And I was really surprised the way Washington's run game has been going. I thought cliff Kingsbury was going to dice up this bears defense and they came out looking a little better after the buy. Got a comment here that Zach Ertz is the uncle of the night and hell let's, let's watch that touchdown catch too. Cause that was the moment where I just figured this game was over. Great throw. Great catch by Ertz.

14:21Nick Shook:Bill in the backfield with Jamie. He's going to throw for it. looking, surveying, throws back at the end. Bears caught a diving. Zekers, touchdown! Touchdown, Washington! This is stealing, baby, like taking candy from a baby. Jamie Darius knows I got Zekers one-on-one, and nobody has been able to check in the day. What a perfect pass. Bears fans are probably wondering, why do we have so many Commander's highlights at a night they lost? Well, it's back and forth. and we just love hearing Weinstein and London. Can we nominate that booth for like most electric pairing in the NFL? Like that should be an award we give out, most electric booth in the NFL because they have so much energy.

15:03Nick Shook:It's always good when they're doing well. Yeah, they are. And look, it is a lot of commanders talk for now, but I think it's more about what this game is, what it means. These two teams are trying to make it to the playoffs. I think the commanders for the most part this season has shown me it's more sustainable from last year than I expected. Because a lot's gone against them. You've had injuries, Jaden Daniels. I thought the offensive line was going to be a mess. I think the defense is better overall. And I know they're 3-3, but you look at where the Eagles are at, and I feel like they're in a good spot.

15:42Then you look at the Bears and you think, okay, your season ended on a total heartbreak at this point in the season, roughly, last year against this Commanders team. Bears fans are sick of hearing that the Commanders got the right quarterback. Now they're sick of hearing that the Patriots might have gotten a better quarterback. and to get a win like this, to pull it out at the last second to me is massive for them and it's a tough division, but I really do now look at them as a team that, okay, like keep showing me, but I kind of expect they're gonna be playing meaningful games all season long.

16:19Maybe they'll make the playoffs, maybe they won't. It's a deep NFC, but like they're gonna be playing for it late in the year and wins like this are just absolutely huge. I hate to be like the NFL guy, but like it's just great to see these two quarterbacks kind of going at it like this and like give me this game in primetime every year this is now like a little mini rivalry in the nfl

16:39Nick Shook:yeah well first off they get the revenge for their heartbreaking loss last year by giving it back to the commanders in the same place that they lost in a hail mary tyreek stevenson is vindicated or whatever but i actually think it's a really good case study in the psyche of a fan base and how it can change for the better or the worst year by year because last year the last year of that he reflues his tenure ultimately but there's a lot of optimism going into the season they have Caleb Williams they finally have their quarterback they've made additions in the offseason and it flopped and the optimism was probably too much going into the season and most of us knew that right then that same kind of optimism but it's more cautious bubbles up going into this year because Ben Johnson's there the results are not going to happen overnight but if you can get results that are tangible that you've seen in the in the Raiders game that you've seen tonight if you can get that over the course of the season season before you get to week eight you are ahead of schedule like you should be very excited about where the rest of the season could take you there are going to be bumps in the road but i personally am now excited to watch bears games last year it was it was misery it is not that anymore so feel good bears fans not only about the swim but about where your team's headed the one little fly in the ointment is just a little bit of the eye test with caleb and yeah i i think the things that helped him out tonight can sustain that was a much improved offensive line performance overall pass protection and run blocking that that's a really good sign the defense looks like it's rounding into okay and they're getting healthier on the back end like kyler gordon is out there and everything like that that's really important for them that's that's stabilizing it didn't shock me when i checked late in the game and the pff has the in-game you know live grades and that caleb was under 50 for this game and jayden's around 80 you know caleb had a very low mark and i think that's because of some missed throws, some potential turnovers that were there.

18:28And that's fine. I'm all about like being able to try to improve as you're winning. Cause I think you heard it from Troy Aikman. Like he's been all over Caleb in these games and I kind of get where Troy is coming from, but I think it's going to be easier for Caleb to like keep improving without the weight of the world and everyone getting me on them for losing games like this.

18:50Nick Shook:Yeah. And it helps when you get a good day like you did from from DeAndre Swift. And it helps when you have not only Romo Dunze and DJ Moore, but also Luther Burden out there making plays like he has weapons. It all starts, though, with the offensive line. And that is why you should feel better. I don't know if it's going to carry over week by week. It's been only one game in which we've seen these improvements. And I don't know if I view the commanders defense as highly as you do just because they're old. But they do have a pretty strong defensive front. So if you take all of that into account at this point in the season, you should still feel good.

19:20Nick Shook:Like they have built this offense into what should be a competitive bunch. And as long as Caleb can continue to progress slowly and not make crushing mistakes, which he, he made mistakes tonight, but they weren't disastrous. He missed some throws. He made a poor decision to keep the ball when he should have thrown away and took a tough hit for Frankie Louvoo. That's fine. These are lessons that you're going to learn at this point in the season. If you can keep it all together, gradually improve, you're going to be in a much better place. Nice game by Louvoo. But to your point about not really having as much faith in the commander's defense.

19:50They've kind of been every other week. They only had four quick pressures tonight, which is not a big number. They blitzed over 30 % of the time, didn't get much. And the four quick pressures are from Frankie Louvoo, you know, blitzing linebacker, Bobby Wagner, a blitzing linebacker, and Darnold Savage, a blitzing free safety. So their down four was really not getting it done. They got pushed around up front. Ultimately, that is great news for the Bears long term. Okay, that game was really interesting. It was fascinating. And yet, I do not think it was the most fascinating or best game of the night.

20:28I know ESPN had their quote-unquote B team on Bill's Falcons, but this one, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I loved it. Let's go down to Atlanta.

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22:47Nick Shook:They're going to hand to Robinson, right side, through the first wall, around the corner. Here goes Bajon Robinson, keeps his feet, 30, 25, 20, 10, 5, touchdown Atlanta. Oh my goodness. The math on this one is easy. 81 to the house. Oh, that is Wes Durham calling an 81-yard touchdown by recent NFL Daily guest Pajon Robinson. Okay, he did a lot of podcasts last week. No, friend of the show. But he's getting the bump. I don't think Pajon Robinson needed, like, a breakout game or a... Hey, like, I'm, like, one of the best players in the NFL game. Like, he shouldn't have needed that. But, I mean, 238 yards from scrimmage at home on Monday Night Football, their first home Monday Night Football game, actually, in the Bajon Robinson era to beat Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills.

23:53Yeah, like, I think that qualifies. He also had six catches for 68 yards in that mix of 238 yards. And I thought the way that they used him, Shook, was awesome tonight.

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24:05Nick Shook:he got to show off all of his skills yeah he did i mean i i think that he needed one of these breakout games on the prime time stage in order to bring the attention of the larger nfl fan base both domestically and internationally to the atlanta falcon because he plays in atlanta the falcons that who blew a tire last year and missed the playoffs right but like you know it would surprise a lot of people to learn that he had a ton of scrimmage yards last year too it should not surprise you we're all talking about baker mayfield being in the mvp conversation you should put bijon in there too i know running backs don't win it all wait i banned mvp conversation we're not allowed to use the words oh okay offensive player of the year bijon robinson there's your loophole because he's having a hell of a start like consider this real quick okay two guys in nfl history after tonight have had 450 plus rushing yards and 300 plus receiving yards in their first five games of the season thurman thomas and bijon robinson like he's off to an incredible start and And he was the reason they won this game tonight with the numbers that you just described, with the highlight that we just played.

25:10Nick Shook:He is one of the best, if not the best running back in the NFL. He's looked like it since he was at the Combine. He just moves differently. He's dynamic. He can do everything. And when they focus on getting him the football, they are a much better team. And tonight it came down to three guys, Michael Penix plus B. John Robinson, Drake London, and a little bit of Kyle Pitts. And that was enough to win the game. I'll throw in one other guy. Have a Jeff Ulbrich defensive coordinator. There we go. Or Raheem Morris. I mean, their defensive plan against Josh Allen was amazing. And we will get to that.

25:44But I think let's just close the circle on Bajan on this 24 to 14 victory, by the way. I mean, they held the Bills to 14 points. And most of the damage was in the first half. But you think about that first drive, for instance, and it just looked so easy. and he's lined up all over the field and the attention that he is drawing as a receiver, as a runner, is opening up holes for Drake London and then, you know, sometimes they're even telegraphing when they're going to run, when they're going to pass out of the pistol and yet it really doesn't matter and I was wondering, like, watching this game, man, like, I know he plays outside sometimes and I know he plays in the slot sometimes but this seemed a little extra and so I checked.

26:27He had 15 snaps in the slot tonight, six out wide. That adds up to 21 snaps, essentially, at wide receiver. That almost matches the snaps that he took at running back. That is a high for this season by a good amount. I didn't go back to check. I'm guessing it is the high for his career. And it's one of those offseason stories that's kind of cliche. Oh, they're going to use him as a receiver. Oh, they're going to have two running backs on the field and stuff. It's like, yeah, but your running back as a receiver is actually helping the defense out because he's not as good as normal receivers. Right.

27:02Except for one guy usually, and that's Christian McCaffrey. And now I think we can make it two guys, Christian McCaffrey and Bijan Robinson, who all respect the CMC, is not at the same level. Bijan Robinson was the number one fantasy draft pick, and he's been delivering week after week. Just an awesome performance by the coaching staff and Robinson.

27:22Nick Shook:Yeah. And the only thing that I think was missing tonight, at least from a writing perspective, was I was really hoping they would lean on him to close the game. And then he was absent. I think he was gassed. They went to Tyler Algier, which makes sense. He's a hard running physical back that you want to get out there to turn up those yards late in the game, get the first downs, close the game out. Because it would have been the perfect Saquon arc, which is he starts fast. He closes games because that's what the story of Saquon was last year. But that's fine because he's still fantastic. And I'm glad you mentioned the defense too, because wow, Wow, what a difference a year can make for a team.

27:53Nick Shook:A Falcons defense that was largely toothless last year has completely transformed, had the perfect plan for Josh Allen, made him look human, made him look uncomfortable for a variety of reasons that we'll get into. But that was the other key to this game, limiting the Bills' output, forcing more three and outs than they've had in a long time, and just shutting down this offense and allowing their offense to control the game when they had the football. Okay, that's a good idea to make it time for who's delivered by Uber Eats. It's got to be the Falcons' defense. I mean, that's, to me, who delivered all night.

28:30And I could pick a few different plays, but why don't we start at the back and work our way forward? Let's go to the final Bills offensive play of the entire game. Let's see how many come here. Here's Allen up in the pocket.

28:47Nick Shook:Atlanta trying to shadow him. He'll move to his left. He's going to throw. He got intercepted. And that ball is down on the play. And that's D 'Angelo Malone after Zach Harrison deflected it. Zach Harrison on the deflection there. And look, they're down 10 there. They're just in hurry up mode trying to make it happen. But I think it was typical of a day where just Allen always had someone in his face. Yeah. And look, you can call me a hater as much as you want. I'll take that. but there's nothing other than good offensive line player that warms my heart more than watching a defense send guys at mobile quarterbacks from all angles to where when they try to break the pocket oh no i can't go there i'm gonna go the other way oh no there's a defender there oh my god what am i gonna do and it just results in chaos oh i love that because there needs to be a counter to the modern quarterback the dynamic mobile quarterback and when a defense can pull that off it's an example of great collaboration and also fantastic coaching and game planning and i think that's exactly what the falcons did tonight by caging josh allen by sending pressure at him i think it was two plays prior they got a free rusher at him and allen gets the ball out for completion but i think that's still stuck in his head in that in that sequence where it's just like oh my god i'm not gonna have time to throw all night i'm supposed to have a good offensive line they can't stop this rush right now i don't know what to do he looked frazzled for most of the night yeah uh We've got a great comment in the chat from your co-host, Katie Caldwell, who said some of the Bills' play calling was outrageous.

30:15An Elijah Moore end around on third and one. This is the time for you to give the plug for your other podcast.

30:22Nick Shook:Katie knows ball. Check us out on the Gridiron podcast, Iron in Brackets. We cover NFL and Formula One. Katie's one of my co-hosts. Sean Barry, who works for Fox 13 down in Tampa, is the other. Come check us out because Katie knows ball. She absolutely does. And she's right that plays like that drive you crazy. What I would say is it's a play out of desperation because their normal stuff just wasn't working. And that didn't work either. You can second guess so much, but two plays really stand out to me as the ones that were indicative of what happened tonight. They go for a fourth down late in the game in the fourth quarter when it still very much feels like, oh, the Bills are going to come back in this, aren't they?

31:05The Falcons are going to Falcon. And on fourth down, they send the heat, flush out Josh Allen to his left, and he tries to flip the ball forward instead of just making a normal pass, which it seemed like he had enough time and room to do so. but he just tried to like make a great play by flipping it forward. And that reminded me so much shook of a third down play in the first half where they had been blitzing like crazy and they wound up blitzing 56 % of the time tonight. And it reminded me so much of a play in the first half, a drive killer on the third down where yes, the pressure was coming, but usually Josh Allen extends that play and he just kind of threw the ball at the feet, the foot of a, of a receiver.

31:53I forget which receiver it was. They lost Josh Palmer early in this game, and so they were going deeper onto the bench. And I was just like, wow, Josh Allen just looks a little shook. I'm going to give a ton of credit to the defense, but it's also like the defense was making Josh Allen not play very well. And those were two plays where he did not stay calm and composed like he has been for most of the last two seasons.

32:18Nick Shook:And outside of their first drive in which they went down the field and scored a touchdown to match Atlanta, um i i think that that was pretty evident early on so much that it motivated sean mcdermott to make one of those gutless punt decisions in the first half like in the second quarter where it's like fourth and three they're near midfield and they're down a touchdown good call and i'm like dude gutless punt like greg's gonna hate this because why are you punting here it's fourth and three i sincerely believe they didn't think that they could get the fourth that the fourth down conversion because of how much they were struggling offensively because of results like that well the the numbers would indicate you were right.

32:52And man, you think of this game and I just kept thinking, wow, the Falcons, that, that first half performance was incredible on defense. They can't, they need their offense to, to keep scoring, which they really did in the second half. They need to keep going or else like they can't count on winning this game. And the defense just kept getting stop after stop, after stop. They finished the bills with six punts, one turnover on downs, which we just talked about. And then the interception, even before the late interception. He ended up with two interceptions, right? So, like, that is an incredible performance by a defense that wasn't really winning a lot, like, one-on-one up front.

33:31If you look at their pressure numbers, it's really spread out. Yeah. Like, I don't even know who to single out from their pass rushers. Who I would single out is their linebackers, Divine, Diablo, and Caden Ellis. To me, they were kind of the key for this game, not just in terms of the pressure, but just the entire defense. Like I said, 58 % blitz, 44 % pressure rate, and you compare the numbers to the Bills, who are 20 % blitz rate, and a lot of those were late, and only 25 % pressure rate. So they're not as aggressive, and they're not getting home or to the quarterback nearly as much. How about that?

34:06The Atlanta Falcons have a difference-making defense in the year 2025.

34:10Nick Shook:I know. It's a beautiful thing. You talk about spread. There was four guys with three pressures, four guys with two pressures, three guys with one pressure and and even the four sacks they racked up each one was by a different player david on yamada ruko roro uh d alford and sam roberts like three defensive linemen and a db like they they brought it from all these different angles and i think that that really complicated the picture for josh allen on a night in which he was never comfortable and and if you look at the falcons defense statistically they were like first in the nfl in a number of different categories they were tied for six for sack percentage so this is not an aberration this is not a one-off on a prime time stage this is who they've been all year and that's what makes it really exciting to track them because you can kind of flush that whole 30 to nothing loss to the panthers as just chalk it up to we had a bad day we're going to burn the tape otherwise they've been competitive in pretty much every game and frankly if the buccaneers don't hit that field goal or if young haiku doesn't miss that field goal at the end of that week one game they might have another win in their in their tally like they're a fun team to watch yeah they had not given up 300 yards in a game uh until tonight and I don't believe no they finished with 291 yeah the bills were just under that for tonight so they you know yardage DVOA they're number one they're already have more sacks right now than they've ever had for as a Falcons franchise through this point in the season and I've been kind of disappointed by their first two draft picks, Jalen Walker and James Pierce, which is, you know, Jalen Walker had a big play on special teams tonight.

35:41They've each, you know, popped up with a hurry here or there, but they're not playing that much. Their first two picks. Yeah. And they gave up a first round pick, you know, for, for Pierce to the Rams, the 2026 pick. And the one thing to the credit, you know, of this front office and shout out to, you know, Patrick Claiborne who put Terry Fontenot in the top 10 GMs and never heard the end of it from me and from our listeners in the offseason. Well, Patrick Claibon's laughing at you right now because all the moves that he's made, it's getting them to a pretty fun place. Anyways, my larger point was these two rookies, if nothing else, what they've done and the way they've built the defense and the rookies are helping here, they have so much depth, so many different types of players, so many players that they can play that it really does support this crazy pressure package and all the different things that Ulbricht and Raheem Morris want to cook up like they have enough dudes with different skill sets to do that that are versatile so they are supporting them in that way and they're playing

36:44Nick Shook:really good team defense yeah it's not a star-laden defense their most notable players exist in their secondary which by the way shout out to AJ Terrell who basically erased Keon Coleman tonight because he wouldn't stop following him around the field that hurt the bill's offense as well and and i think that when you're a sum of parts defense and the sum ends up being greater than your parts because of the versatility that it offers you that will travel and that will give you a shot against some of the perceived top tier teams in the nfl which i don't know if buffalo is if you look at their resume right now i'm gonna say everything that's beaten so far didn't win this last week most of them are some of the worst teams in the nfl and the last two teams that they've played the Patriots and the Falcons have brought the fight to them and they've backed down in both of those games another thing that a common thread between those two games I know I'm harping on two losses and I'm sounding like a hater and that's fine Josh Allen officially has a problem with throwing picks over the middle of the field because the pick he threw tonight looked a lot like the pick Marcus Jones got on him in against New England and Buffalo in prime time as well so I don't know if it's take him off a prime time or if it's figure out your offense it's the latter It's not the former.

37:49Okay. Well, they did beat the Ravens in week one. And I know the Ravens haven't looked so great since, but that was an incredible quarter out of the Bills offense. But I think the cracks were showing for their defense already. And the defense was driving all the Bills fans crazy in the first half of this game. They just looked like a sieve. They gave up 154 yards on missed tackles. and you know a lot of that was on the john robinson run because cole bishop had a chance to get him down with about 40 yards to go but there was about another 110 yards of missed tackle yardage there uh as well so look they they have really struggled defensively josh allen doesn't look the same and you're right when you look at the teams that they beat other than the ravens it was the jets it was the dolphins it was the saints and we kind of gave like the dolphins and Saints pats on the back.

38:45Oh, you competed with the bills you covered. I mean, the, you know, good teams win great teams cover. I mean, when was the last time, uh, bills covered in a game? I guess that just that jets game, because you know, everyone keeps either beating them or becoming closer, by the way, uh, we, we should point out, cause we're, we're done talking about the Falcons defense that that was who's delivered by Uber eats. So when football makes you hungry, get game day meals on Uber Eats, the official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL order now. I mean, look, Uber Eats got their money's worth there too.

39:17That was meaty.

39:18Nick Shook:I mean, yeah. And you know what? Look, sometimes it shows up later, doesn't show up at all, but that's when you go to their competitor, not Uber Eats. They're always reliable. There you go. I, for no reason other than I want to see it and we really appreciate everyone who is making these Monday nights really fun in the comments and watching and obviously everyone listening to us. on the podcast. But when you watch it on YouTube, you get to look at the highlights. We have the rights to the highlights and it's a beautiful thing. And I know it's crazy, Shook. And I thought this game was going to go much differently when I suggested that Josh Allen's incompletion against a blitz in the first quarter, I'm actually going to throw it up there for a throw of the year nominee because they get a blitzer clean on him.

40:04He is falling backwards and he drops an absolute dime in the bucket to Khalil Shakir, who's not even that open over D Alford, Robert Alford, who had a good night tonight. And, you know, the review shows Khalil Shakir's out of bounds. But my God, that was an incredible throw. So even on a bad night, Josh Allen can do things that just make you say, wow, shit.

40:28Nick Shook:Yeah, I mean, he's still a superhero. He just looked rather mortal over the last two weeks against defenses that have the right plan for him. I don't know if the blueprint's necessarily out. I think it's more about the Bills kind of looking in the mirror, circling the wagons like the Buffalo Bills do, and figuring out what they need to do. Which, by the way, stop going away from James Cook in the fourth quarter. I know it wasn't working in the third quarter, but my God, you're in a one-score game. Keep giving one of your best players the football. It will work eventually, for God's sake. It's been a point of frustration for me for the last two games for the Bills.

40:56Nick Shook:I hope it doesn't continue. Yeah, I think that is an awesome point, Shook, because, look, you saw with that play, like what they needed to do to complete passes against the blitz. It was a humbling night, I think, for Allen as a guy who's now, I think, thought of and known as one of the sharpest quarterbacks in the league. I watched every game of Tom Brady's career, by the way. You know, once or twice a year, no matter how old he got, like a defense confused him. A defense got him. Like that's football. Like they would dominate and surprise Tom Brady. Like it does happen. But on a night where that seemed obvious, Their success rate running the ball on design runs was 60%.

41:35Cook was doing great all night. Josh Allen was scrambling pretty well, but Cook goes 17 for 87. So I think that's... With one carry in the fourth quarter. Oh my God. You know, last week I can defend it. The way the gameplay was going and the way they were stuffing Cook for the most part, like I could defend it. I can't defend it here. So I mentioned the injuries in this game. There were quite a few. Joshua Palmer leaves early with a knee injury, and that led to a lot of time for Tyrell Shavers. That was the man who was targeted on that fourth down. I was trying to think of her third down in the first half.

42:07So a lot of Shavers, a lot of Khalil Shakir, but that's an injury to watch. And then Terrell Bernard, their linebacker, was out for most of the second half of this game and I do not think ever returned to the field. And then for the Falcons, they lost their left tackle, Jake Matthews. So let's wrap up actually giving a little bit of love to the Falcons. And, you know, the Michael Penix experience is consistently inconsistent. And he ends up, he had a very similar night, I think, to Caleb Williams, where you look at the numbers, 250 yards, got the touchdown, got the win. They did well enough. He did well enough to win.

42:45There were a couple near interceptions late. There were a couple curious decisions. There were some dimes, too. if you watch him this is kind of who he's settling in to be this season um evaluate for me the the experience with keeping in mind that the points scored in the first half are worth just as much as as the you know lack of points i guess in the second half yeah well i mean he had a touchdown

43:08Nick Shook:pass erased by drake london's foot going out of bounds on the one yard line uh his time expired the first half so we could have added that to his ledger but yeah there were times where he would overthrow guys if you're watching on youtube you're seeing that completion of drake london where he's outrunning Taylor Repp to the goal line. And it looked like he got in on first look. And then the replay shows his right foot steps out at almost exactly the one as he's reaching for the pylon, which took away like big excitement in that moment because it was like the Bills deserve that because they had a turnover, which gave the Falcons just enough time to try that.

43:39Nick Shook:And it was an aggressive attempt by Drake London. It was like, oh, this is like karma, football karma paying off right now for the Bills. But overall, the Drake London experience is exactly how you describe, which is that it is consistently inconsistent. but it's not negative it's not discouraging it's just you gotta find more consistency i hate to say that because it sounds overly reductive but what he has a live arm he overthrows guys sometimes he did tonight he also leans on he has a favorite in drake london and he's always looking at him and essentially his from what i've seen so far it's is drake london open no is kyle pitts open no check down to bijon like that's kind of the process that he's going through right now and i understand that's that's his top three guys right he will get better over the course of a season i think that um his processing is better than some young quarterbacks that we've seen it's still better than justin fields and that is all a positive it's just that he's not going to be a star overnight if you think of josh allen's career it took him multiple years and changing his throwing you know form his technique and everything else before he became who he was just give it time He'll be fine.

44:41Yeah, he had another decision where he kind of locked in to Casey Washington on the third down when he's well covered by Teron Johnson. And he didn't face much pressure on that play. He didn't face a ton of pressure overall on the night. But it was like he just made that decision when there were more open receivers with better matchups elsewhere on the field. I thought there were a couple of moments like that. He also, on the last Falcons drive, when they ended up kicking the field goal to go up 10, the only thing that they could possibly do to lose the game then was turn the ball over. And he threw it right over the middle to awaiting Shaq Thompson, who played well tonight, I thought.

45:21Played well for most of the year. Yeah, like an ageless Shaq Thompson. And Shaq Thompson just couldn't pull in the interception after anticipating the play. And we would be talking about Penix's night quite a bit different if that happened. But I also don't want to forget the dimes. So let's actually go back to the first half and let's see the touchdown throw that did stand up to Drake London.

45:42Nick Shook:Here's London moving out on the wide side. They take the snap. Here's Penix. Michael looks. Rips it. London stretches the ball across. That's a touchdown for Atlanta. My goodness, what a play by London. What a catch. And then the presence of mind to reach that jumper right over the white line for the score. It's unbelievable, Wes. so this play is like a he's a quarter beat late on that throw but he's got such a strong arm that he can still fit it in there he put it in the right spot it was great play design where he had a receiver kind of take away the defender inside they're basically playing like i think it was cover two on the goal line and just making a picket fence and he just it's kind of a spacing concept where he just sits down right there you put on the inside with the defender and outside leverage boom touchdown and you could do that because you have the arm talent which is why we obsess with arm talent on quarterbacks who come out of the draft because it matters in tight windows in the NFL and there's a ton of them in the NFL yeah and he showed it off tonight and like that was one of those plays where when he reaches that out like you can just imagine it getting getting knocked out and that would be such a Falcons play and you mentioned the end of half sequence when they did not get that touchdown even though it was a little bit of found money it was such a unique play where you're thinking at first like get out of bounds Drake London so you So you can kick for the three points, and then you realize, oh, it's all or nothing.

46:59He's either going to score a touchdown or you're getting zero points. And it was so surprising because you mentioned the turnover. That was the clunker of a Josh Allen interception just trying to do too much. And then he comes up short, and the Bills go into halftime, down 21-7, and they get a quick touchdown coming out of the break. And you're like, oh, man, that seven points they didn't get. That's going to haunt them all night. but the defense just didn't let it happen. Pretty awesome. An awesome performance by another team. Look, this NFL is really heavy in terms of the upper middle. There's a lot of teams, and I still consider the Bills one of those teams.

47:38They're 4-2. The Falcons are 3-2, where it's just like, all right, you're in position. You got a pretty good chance to make the playoffs. I have no idea how to separate about 10 to 12 of those teams. This Bills team still has Josh Allen. they've shown that they can figure things out as the season goes along i've seen some bad sean mcdermott defenses where everyone thinks he's going to get fired by the end of the year and somehow he turns it around uh even after you know tyler dunn writes a big feature about how he used 9-11 as a motivational tactic like i was wondering if you're going to bring that up

48:14Nick Shook:they're missing they're missing personnel they don't have matt milano they have three healthy defensive tackles tonight and oliver just came back good point they got to get guys back but And I don't want to discount that because that does matter. But yeah, it's a little concerning right now. They always have lulls. And in the Falcons' defense, they were playing Mike Jarrell at left tackle and Elijah Wilkinson at right tackle in the second half of this game. They really need Jake Matthews to come back. I mean, that is as troubling a tackle combination and pass protection as you'll ever see. And that's, I think, part of the reason why the offense slowed down so much in the second half.

48:51Like Bajon had, I believe, near 151 yards at halftime, yards from scrimmage. So most of them were in the first half. Jake London had 147 yards at halftime. Like fantasy games were won in the first half, and then he only added 11 more yards. But he does end up with 10 for 158 and a touchdown. Last thing on the Falcons before we go. So I love that we had John Robinson and just to kind of close the circle on him on the night where he announced himself. Yes. As an award potential candidate. My whole thing with the MVP conversation should be just like, you know, what is this conversation? Just why are we talking about a conversation?

49:34Just have it. Just say it. Well, I mean, it's a flawed award anyway. It's week six. Yeah. Here's a clue. None of this is going to really matter in the MVP talk. Like stats, they're cumulative and they will still count. But ultimately, it's basically what you do from week 11 and 12 onwards that matters. And yeah, we're going to winnow out a lot of players, but there's going to be a lot of players in the mix going into week 10 or 11. And then that's when you really figure.

49:59Nick Shook:And is your team good? Like that's the other criteria. Your team has to be good. There's no envy. There's no Jerry West losing the NBA finals and winning NBA finals MVP. That doesn't happen in the NFL. Your team has to be good too. So that helps us kind of sort it out as well. It's fun fodder for now. You got to fill some time somewhere. Something about the phrase. Oh, why didn't he? He should be in the MVP conversation. He should be. Well, I think week six is the first time we can really do it. Like I would have him top five for MVP. Like put, say something specific is what I'm saying. Yeah, he's in there.

50:28You can only vote for three guys. You can, you know, five guys. Someone's asking if he's in the offensive player of the month conversation. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. You know what he is? He's in the NFL Daily Guest of the Week conversation. Maybe of all-time conversation. I thought it was really interesting, the question that Jordan Rodrigue asked about the way that he gets extra vision lining up in the pistol. Let's actually listen to him talking last week on the show.

50:59Nick Shook:For me, it's just using my vision and just anticipating what's coming before it even happened, before the play even starts. And for me, like, you know, it's very important to use my eyes at a very high level and to manipulate linebackers, safeties, delineing, just every one of them. Because when I do that and when I'm controlling the pace of the game, then everything else is taking care of itself. That's a good brand deal, by the way. Colgate Total, he is the total back. There you go. Vision, power, speed. I love the question from Jordan. and she loves the pistol offense. And I think tonight was a great sign that even if on this particular Falcons team, the pass and the run aren't always married up.

51:47There are a lot of big-time advantages, and Bajan talked about it there. And his vision, to me, is second to none right now in the league. Statement win. Season-changing win. Are the Bills going to be one of those teams that just like every time they lose, everyone's like, oh, the Patriots have arrived. Oh, now the Falcons have arrived. There are tennis players, to use an example that probably most of our listeners don't care about. It's like, oh, that's the biggest win of his career. It's people that just are always handing out those wins. Stefano Sitsipas back in the day, a top five guy. Alex Varev, oh, it's the biggest win of their career.

52:27He beats number four. It's like, well, it's not the biggest win of your season if the Bills are just kind of an average team.

52:32Nick Shook:Yeah, and that's why we play the games. parody is maybe at an all-time high right now, or at least it feels like it. It is like in the upper middle, and yet we still have like eight teams I feel like we can cross off, including the Tennessee Titans. Brian Callahan was fired on Monday. It's no longer even Monday where Shook is taping. Because these games were so good, and we love serving this doubleheader as much attention as it can get, we're going to talk about the Callahan firing, all the other news that has come down on our Tuesday show in the studio with Jordan Rodrigues. So stay tuned for that one.

53:11And yeah, this was an absolute pleasure, Nick Shook.

53:14Nick Shook:Yeah. Double headers, they're good and they're bad, but when the games are good, they're more good than bad. That is beautifully said from an NFL.com writer who still has some writing to do. Sorry about that tonight. I want to point out to everyone, that's the last simultaneous doubleheader in NFL history. Roger Goodell doesn't like it. They're off the schedule indefinitely starting next year. They're not part of the TV package. Like that's it. We have one more doubleheader. So if you love the doubleheaders, we got one more for you next week. We'll be live then, but they're separated. No more simultaneous.

53:49We'll see you then.

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How about a pair of upsets to close out Week 6!? Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook handle recap duties for the Falcons' incredibly dominant win over the Buffalo Bills, as well as an ugly-but-effective victory for the Chicago Bears in Washington against the Commanders. Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson begin a new era of Bears football 3-2, with Williams earning an away win against his draft class rival, Jayden Daniels. Plus — Bijan Robinson and Drake London ran wild against a porous Bills defense, while the Falcons new-look D-line is finally paying dividends. 

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