In short
The hosts debate Bill Belichick’s UNC debut getting routed 48-14 by TCU, arguing UNC looked “ill-prepared and uncoached,” with missed tackles, dropped punts, and a pick-six plus a 75-yard TD right after halftime. They connect the loss to modern college constraints (less live tackling, NIL-driven motivation, harder coaching transitions from NFL to college) and limited practice time.
Guest backgrounds
No guests are interviewed in the provided transcript. It’s a “Debo and Joe Show” with hosts James “Debo” Harrison and Joe Hayden.
Key claims
Belichick’s halftime adjustments didn’t show up; college fundamentals and live reps are lacking; NIL and player pay reduce respect/maturity; running backs are undervalued post-rookie deals; Saquon Barkley’s top-100 ranking is deserved; Aaron Rodgers’ passing is the best “eye test” ever; Tyreek Hill not being named Miami captain is unsurprising due to prior on-field behavior; Micah Parsons’ locker-room support is defended by Trayvon Diggs.
Notable examples
UNC vs TCU (48-14), Belichick “welcome to college” framing, Saquon Barkley Eagles impact, Rodgers 10-for-10 vs Browns at Lambeau, Steelers’ Cam Hayward possibly sitting, Dolphins captains vote, Cowboys Micah rumors, Lions/Packers NFC North discussion.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUNC's Tough Debut Under Belichick
1:30 to 2:12
Discussion on UNC's recent game performance and coaching challenges.
“I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.”
Analysis of Game Performance
2:13 to 3:40
Insights on defensive and offensive struggles during the game.
“He's letting them know, man, these boys did not come to play.”
The Challenge of Coaching Transition
3:41 to 5:24
Exploration of the differences between coaching in the NFL and college.
“The first drive, first pass, cross, big over, boom, everybody's hype, first drive, they score.”
Recruitment and Player Motivation
5:25 to 7:24
Discusses the impact of NIL deals on player motivation and recruitment.
“like you can't really coach these dudes up because now they looking at you like, who are you talking to?”
The Shift in College Football Dynamics
7:25 to 8:14
Examines how changes in college football affect player performance and coaching.
“called being able to go full speed and get those live tackling reps, being able to get those angle tackles.”
Player Experiences and Financial Realities
8:15 to 9:22
Personal anecdotes illustrating financial challenges faced by student-athletes.
“Because you can run all the way up to the right position standing and then look back.”
The Impact of Social Media on Perception
9:23 to 12:20
How social media influences perceptions of success among young athletes.
“That name, image, likeness, you couldn't get a haircut.”
Discussing Player Rankings and Recognition
12:21 to 14:01
Debate on player rankings in the NFL and the significance of peer recognition.
“It's just a whole different era, but that grind, that like wanting to get it, that grit that we had, some of that stuff, you can't put it into everybody.”
Personal Reflections on Ratings and Recognition
14:01 to 18:04
You'll learn about the personal experiences and aspirations of players regarding their performance recognition.
“Hey, speaking of that, what was your highest rating, Joe?”
The Reality of Winning and Exhaustion
18:04 to 19:31
Discover the contrasting emotions and physical toll of winning a Super Bowl as shared by the players.
“And that was something that we ended up practicing, dude.”
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Thurman Thomas on Running Back Contracts
19:31 to 21:40
Gain insights into the challenges running backs face with contract negotiations and team strategies.
“Speaking of running backs, we got a little thing from Thurman Thomas here.”
The Changing Landscape of Running Backs
23:33 to 28:03
Explore the evolving dynamics and strategies for running backs in the NFL today.
“Term deal when you start coming off your rookie contracts.”
Aaron Rodgers: The Greatest Passer?
28:03 to 29:48
Discussion on Aaron Rodgers’ talent as a quarterback and comparisons with others.
“He said, Aaron and his prime to me is the greatest passer of the football that league has ever seen.”
First-Hand Experience Against Rodgers
29:49 to 32:29
A personal account of facing Aaron Rodgers in a game and his skill as a passer.
“It's like three inches right out of your reach and nobody can get it but the receiver.”
Tyreek Hill Not Named Captain
32:30 to 35:46
Discussion about Tyreek Hill's omission from the captaincy and its implications.
“It felt like, to me, dude, he got back in the cold, man.”
Accountability and Leadership
35:47 to 39:15
Exploration of the importance of accountability in leadership roles in sports.
“I mean, when you go back to it, you know, that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro.”
Defending Micah Parsons
39:15 to 39:40
Trayvon Diggs defends Micah Parsons against rumors and discusses team dynamics.
“in Dallas current locker room like Micah and thinks the rumors likely came from former Cowboys.”
Accountability and Leadership
39:40 to 42:05
Exploration of the importance of accountability in leadership roles in sports.
“Imagine if you came in here and you're thinking and you're taking somebody else, you're taking somebody's shine or taking somebody's spot, you're not going to like that.”
Analyzing Player Relationships and Contracts
42:05 to 44:03
Explore the dynamics of player relationships and contract situations, particularly concerning Micah Parsons and DeMarcus Lawrence.
“So from Trevon's perspective, it could be literally what it is.”
Packers' Prospects with Micah Parsons
44:03 to 46:45
Discussion on how Micah Parsons could enhance the Packers' prospects in the NFC North.
“Does Micah Parsons put the Packers over the Lions in the NFC North, do you think?”
Cam Hayward's Contract Situation
48:48 to 55:16
Examination of Cam Hayward's potential absence and his contract negotiations with the Steelers.
“I want to talk about your man, Adam Schefter.”
Matthew Stafford's Health and Performance
55:16 to 56:02
Discussion on Matthew Stafford's health issues and what that means for his performance this season.
“Will Stafford finish the season as he deals with an aggravated disc in his back?”
Personal Injury Experience in Football
56:02 to 1:03:46
Learn about the challenges and recovery process following a serious back injury in football.
“And it was the year we ended up losing to Green Bay in the Super Bowl.”
Lamar Jackson's MVP Chances
1:03:46 to 1:05:29
Discussion on Lamar Jackson's potential for MVP and the importance of a Super Bowl win.
“That's just, man, that's his left tackle, making sure he don't get blown by.”
Host Banter and Sports Rivalry
1:05:29 to 1:06:31
Light-hearted banter between hosts about sports rivalries and preferences.
“You think he's going to get that Lombardi this year?”
Transcript
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1:36Welcome back to the Debo and Joe show. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe to our channel. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? Great day.
1:53James Harrison:Great day. Another day on the Paul, my good man, Debo. Can't wait to get into these topics, man. There was a lot going on, a lot of things to talk about. Definitely, definitely. The first thing we're going to talk about, though, is how UNC went over there and got their face beat in. Got to. 48 to 14, man. I guess that was Bill's welcome to college party, I would say. It wasn't no joke. He's letting them know, man, these boys did not come to play. TCU was not playing with them, bro. Yeah, definitely. Um, so, you know, looking at it, uh, you know, I think, uh, the defense, uh, personally, um, just looking at it, they, they just got, they just got dominated.
2:36Um, I think on both sides of the ball, when you look at the offensive and defensive lines, uh, they were, they were getting moved around. The whole game. Yeah. Yeah. The whole game on, on, on top of that, you, you know, you got guys not, you know, catching passes. You got guys missing tackles, dropping punts, everything that, you know, when I was there that they harped on fundamentals, you know what I'm saying? You know, see what you're supposed to see, be where you're supposed to be and do what it is that you're supposed to do. And, you know, you had guys that just looked like they were totally out of position.
3:08You know, big plays. It was nothing like you normally see of a...
3:14James Harrison:They looked lost, Debo. They looked lost. They looked like they were ill-prepared and uncoached. And that is not what you see in the Bill Belichick type defense or team. The one thing they're going to do is be coached. They're going to have eye discipline. They're going to tackle. They're going to be in the right position. They might not be the most athletic people, but the one thing they're going to do is they're going to be in the right place and make the right play at the right time. They looked completely lost. When they first started off the game, it was all good. The first drive, first pass, cross, big over, boom, everybody's hype, first drive, they score.
3:49James Harrison:And from that, it's funny how the tables turned. What was it, like 40-something? I'm not sure, like nonstop. 40-something unanswered. That's exactly what it was, Devo. Yeah. He threw the pick six. That's not something you could do, man. No, the pick six before halftime killed him. And then coming out of halftime. I don't think that killed him. I think they didn't regroup at halftime. Normally, you know, when you get in there, especially when I was there with Bill, he has a plan, you know, in place. and he puts that plan in place and, okay, this is what we're going to do. This is what we're going to adjust to.
4:23And you come out, you adjust to it. And, you know, I think he's very good at adjusting to halftime. But, again, you're in college, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, it's a difference between, you know, college and the pros. You know, how hard do you think it is to go from coaching in the NFL to college? I think it's very hard.
4:43James Harrison:I think because when you have professionals that understand that it's not no longer, we're not doing this for fun. This is our profession. This is our job. What's on film is our resume. So you're speaking to grown men. And when you tell them one time, they shouldn't be able to, you shouldn't make the same mistake twice in the league or you're going to be out the way. In college, it's more, man, like, dude, do you get this or do you don't? You know what I'm saying? I think it's harder to coach those kids than it is to coach professionals. and now with those kids being NIL guys, these kids are also now getting paid.
5:15James Harrison:These kids are also now looking at Bill, like what you going to tell me? You know what I'm saying? I'm making a million dollars here playing a little game. I can go somewhere else next year. You know what I'm saying? I got this. So not being able to have the maturity of, like you can't really coach these dudes up because now they looking at you like, who are you talking to? You know what I'm saying? Instead of the respect factor that he used to have in college where Coach Meyer, when he was telling us what to do, he was the law. There's nothing over Meyer. Amara's not going to let us play. If we go somewhere else, you had to sit out a year.
5:43James Harrison:You couldn't just go to another school and then go play. No, you had to go do what Cam did. He went juco. Then he had to go to Auburn. There's steps. So kids are acting a little bit different. So I think that's going to be a whole lot tougher for him to coach. But I was saying, like you said too, the halftime part. Pick going into the second half. Now you have the whole halftime to figure it out. Get your changes. Get your execution. First play, Debo. The man ran 75 yards untouched. and scored again right out of halftime. The first place. That's not the adjustment you want to come out with. You didn't do any adjustments.
6:16You look crazy. That's something else. The big difference, you know, is you're recruiting now. You actually have to go out here and find the guys that you need to get. That's a whole nother process. You don't have a whole scouting department to go out there and, you know, get what it is that you need to get. Again, you have grown men, you know, out here. They're trying to put food on their table. They're trying to feed their family. You know, it's going to be a lot more motivation to go out there and get it done where you got these, you know, 17 to 20 something year old kids. And, you know, they got money in their pocket now, you know, exactly.
6:54A thousand, one hundred thousand dollars. That's a that's that's a big thing to them. And another thing with college is that, you know, they've really limited the amount of time. I think that's what we're seeing in the tackling. They've limited the amount of time that these guys could go out here and do live drills, go and tackle, go and, you know, perfect their craft. And I think that's a big issue of why we were seeing, you know, so many missed tackles.
7:19James Harrison:No, I think so, too. You're exactly right. I mean, it's live reps. They're taking out the live reps. They want dudes to they're trying to protect people's heads and all of the protocol. called being able to go full speed and get those live tackling reps, being able to get those angle tackles. That doesn't happen. It's a big difference between running up here and breaking down. Oh, I was formed up, ready to go. Okay, but what happens when he decides that he's not going to cut away from you and he lowers his shoulder? He's going to dip on you. Now he's going to run you over. Yes, of course. That's things that in practice you have to go through.
7:49For sure. You have to be able to get that day in and day out so that when you get into that game, you know what, I can see the adjustment. You know, it may be a little late, but I'm not going to miss this whole tackle because I've been coming up here all practice, squatting down, form fitting, looking pretty. And now, you know, he go ahead and he put that right down on my ass and I'm sitting there on my back with my feet kicked up in the air. Yeah. You know, like like a horse that then got put down, you know, for sure, for sure, for sure.
8:19James Harrison:Because you can run all the way up to the right position standing and then look back. Now you're going to get back. What you going to do when you get there? You going to drive through him? Are you going to go through the target? Or are you going to become, you know what I'm saying, a speed bump? Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, dang, man. I just, I don't think I would ever go from coaching in the NFL to coaching in college. Because, again, especially in today's era, you lose a lot of the motivation that guys have when you're in the pros versus now in college. You got some of these guys out here, they could mess around and actually make generational money, millions of dollars if they're smart with it and have a financial understanding of what it is they need to do.
9:12and you're sitting here as their position coach trying to tell them what to do, that's a hard role to hold.
9:18James Harrison:A thousand percent, man. A thousand percent. They had that role over us because we couldn't even do anything. That name, image, likeness, you couldn't get a haircut. You couldn't get a free tattoo. I mean, T.F. Sherl Pryor got kicked out of school for getting free tattoos. Right. Crazy. Dude, that was that long ago. You know what I'm saying? That wasn't that long ago that we couldn't actually do a thing. We couldn't have no money. Like, they want us to be legitimately broke. They're like, oh, you're getting your parents? for your housing. I'm like, so? If a dude was in my class that was an artist and made it a painting, he could sell that painting for$250 ,000 and nobody going to say nothing to him.
9:51James Harrison:But I can't go do an autograph signing, Joe Hayden at the University of Florida, make a couple thousand dollars because I ain't got it. They're like, that's against NCAA. I'm like, huh? That's my... A dinner could get you... A free dinner could get you pop. You know what I'm saying? Anything, bro. Anything. So that was crazy like not being able to do that and just being able to not have no money to now these dudes are i i i appreciate it i love it but at the same time that's what gives them a little bit more like you can't really tell me nothing but i i mean i i don't i don't like that part i think they could still be able to grind still be able to get it because that's the thing what i loved about college when we was there i think that made us want to get it out the mud because you still didn't have nothing you know what i'm saying you were still in it with your boys everybody's going I had to go back to the situation.
10:38James Harrison:All y 'all broke, man. You know, that's something that I see now with, you know, current players and some of their kids. It's like, yo, you know, even me, I'm like, I done made it too comfortable for these dudes. Like, you know, my oldest son finally dropped down and started really grinding into it. But it was only after he had a couple of surgeries, you know what I'm saying? And now he has to have another one tomorrow. but you know i was in a situation where i'm like yo i gotta grind i gotta go out here i don't want to i don't want to be in the situation i grew up in i didn't know i was poor joe until i got to college and realized like yo everybody don't live how we was living back here like we ain't got no we actually like we actually waiting we we folding up antennas to make sure you get the tv to work and all this other stuff you know tv break you gotta wait for sure it ain't just go get a new and everything else.
11:33James Harrison:Like you saying too though, that's the thing, you know you're your surroundings. Like everybody that surrounds you is kind of in the same situation. The internet, being able to get on TikTok, being able to see everybody, how everybody's living, miles away and fake living. You know what I'm saying? Because all that stuff is having their perspective, what they put out. You always want to look up with the Joneses, keep up with the Joneses. When you was in your neighborhood, you was riding your bike to your man's street, up the street and y 'all was playing football in the street until the lights came back on.
11:59James Harrison:You wasn't sitting there looking to see, what little Johnny got that lives in California with his family that's just traveling and doing that stuff. You figuring it out what you got. You up here window shopping, daydreaming, trying to compare your life to somebody's life that ain't even really what they putting on there. For nothing. They just fronting, you know what I'm saying? Got you depressed, got you stressed out over something that doesn't even need to be nothing. You know what I'm saying? For sure. It's just a whole different era, but that grind, that like wanting to get it, that grit that we had, some of that stuff, you can't put it into everybody.
12:31James Harrison:Some people ain't built like that. You know what I'm saying? It's taking a grind, man. Like, we got the top 100 come out. And I guess we got Barkley, Sanquez Barkley, ranked as number one. Are you surprised it's a running back at the top? I'm not going to lie. Over a quarterback. Over a quarterback, I would say yes. But Saquon is deserving of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I do think there's been, like, his season, his year that he had, what he did for the Eagles, what he did for the season. Right. That's what they don't understand. I'm not surprised by it at all. You know what I'm saying?
13:07Yeah. But I think— Especially what he did, coming to that team that year and going and getting the ultimate goal in the game is the reason they got him. And he made that happen. He helped make that. He was a huge part of that, along with the season he had, the plays he had. Yes. I'm, you know, I'm not upset about it. I'm not surprised by it. I'm good with it. I'm good with it.
13:32James Harrison:I'm happy for him. And I'm happy that just it shows that NFL players, they don't like the way that some people say, like the contracts or running backs are going down. It just shows that this is your players, your people, your peers. You know what I'm saying? They recognize your game. They like this. This dude had the best season is the best player in the league right now. and having Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jamar Chase, right behind him speaks volumes. And I can see them saying that, man, that dude was the best player this season. You know what I'm saying? That's all you want from your PA. Hey, speaking of that, what was your highest rating, Joe?
14:0423.
14:06James Harrison:You know what your highest rating was? I don't even know what mine was. Oh, I know that. Man, I was watching that during, I'm like, man, they better get me lower than low. I got the 23. I was 30. I was 39. And then 23. Yeah, 23 was my highest, though. Okay, okay. I couldn't even tell you what my highest was. I don't... We're going to get on that research, James. I know you're doing that. I don't know. I ain't going to lie. I don't know. I don't know. How much you think guys care about that, though? I mean, honestly, if you... You just want to be recognized by your peers for what you do. And that's why we...
14:42James Harrison:I think we played it to be the best at our position. We didn't just do it to be out there. So the recognition, like the grind, we're trying, we want to be the best that we can be. We're already in the league, and that's what happens. But now, once you're in the league, I want to be the best in the league. I want to be all pro. I want to go to the Pro Bowls. I want to win Super Bowls. So that's just in your own mental when you're competing against yourself. Like, I'm in this joint. I'm trying to be the best. We won our first Super Bowl, which was in 2005, Detroit. And I was a special teams player, right?
15:14Like, and I mean, it's what I'm going to say is going to sound kind of crazy, but I was a special teams player. OK, I was like, this don't this don't feel like, you know, what I what I see on TV. I'm like, well, I'm like, maybe it'll it'll feel different. You know, if I was a starter and, you know, I'm, you know, I'm more of a part of the of the actual, you know, team for the host, you know, all that. You know, you fast forward to 2008 and, you know, we went in Tampa and I remember sitting on the podium, dude, not even the podium. It was a camera that was out there and it had a little round cylinder around it.
15:56So I sat down on that and I'm looking around and this is going to sound crazy. I was like. It still feel the same. it was like oh watching it on tv bro was way more exciting than actually being there and winning it like when you look at the tv bro like they they they sell you everything so when you're looking at the tv you're watching every player celebrate here celebrate there so it's like boom boom boom boom boom boom confetti all this do do do do do do and i'm sitting there and i'm like i see the confetti falling it's like cameras looking at me and i'm like i'm like yeah it's cool but it ain't like they show it on tv you know was your folks there was your family yeah yeah dude i was so tired i as soon as the game hit and it was over with you was exhausted i was exhausted, bro.
16:56I sat down. I just took my helmet off, dude, and I was just, I just had my head like, I was just like this, and I look up, and I'm looking around, and I'm just like, damn, it still ain't like you see it on TV. Damn, Brody. Yo ass was
17:13James Harrison:drained, Deebo. Yeah. He was mentally and mentally drained. Bro, I took two bags at halftime, bro. See, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Is this the one when you did the pick six? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, you couldn't breathe. Yeah. That's why. T-Boy, you was exhausted. Listen, I was actually hurt a little bit, though, because when I hit my head, my neck hit the ground first, and it kind of crunched. So I started to jump back up, and when I went to go jump back up, it cracked again, and RC was already standing over, and I'm like, hey, get the trainers. Get the trainers. I couldn't breathe either, though.
17:52Like, real talk.
17:53James Harrison:I just couldn't believe you didn't fumble that joint, too. You held on to the rock, hit your neck, and scored, Debo. That joint was unbelievable, brother. I had a whole squad, man. I had dudes that threw two blocks, bro. Oh, no, for sure. That helped me get down there. And that was something that we ended up practicing, dude. Like, that whole week, dude, in Tampa when we were down there. and Coach LeBow was giving us the stats on your percentages of winning if you get a turnover, if you get a defensive touchdown. Dude, it was something like it was close to 90 % you get a defensive touchdown, dude.
18:32So that whole week, it didn't matter if we caught the ball and got a pick at the one-yard line. The whole defense ran. Taking it back to the house. Taking it to the house. They just waited for us to get back.
18:44James Harrison:And, you know, practice made perfect. It's a mindset. Y 'all winning that joint. If somebody gets it, we taking it back to the crib. Yes. No matter what. No, we going to pitch it back. We got to pitch it back. But you, no, I'm going to get busy. I'm going to jump over, buddy. You know what I'm saying? Take it up. You know what I'm saying? I had my running back skills come out. You know what I'm saying? You had it high and tight. I could have went either way. At the end, I ain't going to lie. I ain't have it high and tight no more. I was kind of holding that mud like a loaf of bread like this. You know what I'm saying?
19:13I had it like this. The crazy thing is, when Fitz came off the side, if he had actually swiped down and just hit the ball, it would have popped out. He missed and hit my chest. It gave me time to cover it up. That was the only thing. You know what I'm saying? Running back skills was in play. You know what I'm saying? Speaking of running backs, we got a little thing from Thurman Thomas here. Rather than rewarding running backs for production once their rookie contracts expire, Thurman Thomas is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger and cheaper player. He says, you still deserve a contract.
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19:52The first team you put the first team has put you through hell. And yet I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries. Now. Give me my damn money.
20:08It's not even receiver money. It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. what do you uh what do you think of the comments first but the use of running backs now like what do you think has been the change why they don't I mean when you look at it like they're they're getting rid of guys younger and younger if you're not one of those top five running backs
20:37James Harrison:you're you know they're getting you out of there oh a thousand percent and like you said you know what it is it's a business so if you're they're going to use you up rookie contract then first three years you know i'm saying hopefully if you stay that the part is that you're expected to get hurt you know i'm saying so the running backs and then you can draft a running back they say in the second round the third round you can get running backs a little bit all over jay jaylen warren for example he's a great running back that we didn't draft high you know i'm saying it ended up being They're going to sign them for the low.
21:09James Harrison:So it's messed up. But understanding like Saquon Barkley's are going to be the reasons why great running backs to end up just high production. You're going to have to take a shorter term deal with guaranteed money. These two years fully guaranteed joints, if they're doing the two year for getting$15 million a year, Saquon just did a two year for$40 million extension. Now the market, the highest paid running back is at$20 million a year. Understanding he got 36 guaranteed is going to be more guaranteed, a shorter term. Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts. Why did I search the internet for answers to my cold sore problem?
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23:42James Harrison:So just got to be able to get on that for a little bit shorter term deal and just bet on yourself. It sucks, but it's the NFL. That's the way that they're going. and they're not trying to. It is a business. So just keep that in perspective. And I love the way the Eagles and Saquon, they did it right. You know what I'm saying? Cook and the Bills. Just these little short-term deals with 15, 16, 17, that's solid money. Hopefully, like when you get Saquon to put it up to 20, we get another running back that continues, hopefully balls out, B 'Jawn Robinson. Hopefully he can get up there and his next, stay healthy, get to 22.
24:14James Harrison:So I see it going up, but just knowing it's going to be more short-term deals with guaranteed money because it's a business. you are a running back, they can figure out, they can come get you, get you, get you, find somebody coming out of college or get somebody for a little bit less that's going to do. Yeah. It's good production. You know, when Thurman Thomas played, it was, it was a totally, you know, it was a totally different game. It was, it was, you know, it was run heavy. It was a physical game. And, and, you know, them guys, you know, play, play, play longer careers because that's what the game was.
24:45You had, you had a big, you know, had a big offensive line. You had a big defensive line. and you went out there and you tried to push the other guy around. He had a big fullback. Right. And if you had a good running back with you a nice fullback blocking, that's just what the game came to. Right now, it is a pass-heavy game, dude. You know, everything they want to do is for scoring. They did things that helped by, you know, changing the rules to make it easier for them to score. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's offensive base rules for for the majority of things that's going on. Can't touch the quarterbacks.
25:23They make it. Yeah. Yeah. Again, the wear and tear, you know, on a running back, especially if you're paying one running back that much is it's hard. You know, you got a lot of people who are not a lot of teams. You've got a few teams who are now using, you know, a couple guys, you know, and and finding a way to get the money situated to where they can they can they can keep both. I think Detroit is one of those people that got a great, you know, two running backs over there that really, you know, complement each other. You got a speed guy, you got a power guy. And, you know, they're having some real success, you know, with their run game over there.
26:02James Harrison:That's the best combination, the best running back combination, I think, in the league for sure. Yeah. I got to figure out what their contract situation is, too, how much they make in a year. Because however they finagle that, other teams need to look and see how to finagle that. Well, you got to have you got. Here's the thing. I think you got to have guys who are willing to be like, I know what my worth is and have a realistic number of what their worth is. Although you want to get paid as much as you can at some point, if you're trying to do this to actually make money and for the longevity of it, the longer you can play, the more money you can make.
26:41I think having two running backs is more beneficial for a person that is playing, you know, the running back position. No, I think so, too. You're right.
26:50James Harrison:Wearing tear on them, have to carry and just seeing like as long as that money is looking good for you. You don't have to be the highest person to set the market. But if you're comfortable, your family's comfortable, you like your income, stay right there. Keep it Cruz. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think you need to always shake it up, always try to get out of a situation like that. So I think for sure we're looking at if I'm going to get the ball all the time, they're going to keep punishing me. Is it worth it or am I going to be able to play a little bit longer if I got another dude with me that I'm splitting carries with and we, you know, I'm saying both could be here for a while.
27:21Yeah. Like you said, the workhorses go get paid. The money's go go up. But as a whole at that position, you know, it's not I can I can get I can get a guy in here that, you know, he hasn't had multiple surgeries on his knee. You know, he's coming in, you know, fresh out of college. You know, they got the rules set to where these dudes aren't getting beat up like they used to. And now he's and he's hungry. You know what I'm saying? He's ready to get in there and try and take right. Try and take your spot. So, you know, it's easier to get that rookie contract. You get him in there for four years.
27:53You start looking at the next guy you want, you know, you know, a year or two before you got to get rid of him. I mean, you're looking at the situation right now, like you said, with the Steelers. they went and got a top you know a top running back and then they went and got another running back and who's sitting there right now with the contract and who did they let go this is a prime example of it what you know thurman is talking about exactly yeah exactly so speaking of the stillers uh aaron rogers tom brady said that aaron rogers is the most talented quarterback in nfl history. He said, Aaron and his prime to me is the greatest passer of the football that league has ever seen.
28:36He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any player in NFL history. What do you think of those comments?
28:47James Harrison:See, so I'm going to say that I agree. and this is just before, before I even, when I was, when I was growing up, this is 2002, 2003, I'm watching Aaron Rodgers. And just from my eye test, it was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, who was the better quarterback. And I've like his in history, like trying to get the Super Bowls and all that. But with my eye test, I thought Aaron Rodgers threw the prettiest spiral through the best pass that I've ever seen in my life. Just the release of it, just the placement, just the way he threw the ball and that might not make him the greatest quarterback of all time with championships and Super Bowls.
29:25James Harrison:That's like, that's for other people to debate. But from my eye test, when I was watching my best favorite quarterback I ever seen throw the ball and put it in the spot was Aaron Rodgers. And that is without before Tom Brady saying this, this is the way I felt, you know what I'm saying? Back in the day. And I would say Tom Brady, greater Peyton Manning, maybe greater, but with my eye testing, how you put the ball in certain spots and spin that joint like that i've never seen nobody spinning like aaron rogers in my opinion i would i would agree i would agree with you and and in time because the biggest thing for me is the speed at which he gets there with the accuracy that he gets there believe me i've seen it firsthand and he's throwing this thing it looks like with the flick of a wrist dude when he was doing it and it's it's on the money.
30:14And it's spiraling everything. It's like three inches right out of your reach and nobody can get it but the receiver. You know what I'm saying? And it's coming like lightning. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's impressive.
30:29James Harrison:I've been in situations that was my first quarterback. I played him in my rookie season when I came out for the Browns. We played Green Bay and Lambeau Field. First game of my career. First preseason game. He went 10 for 10 on us and threw a touchdown. That's when he had, like, Donald Driver. He had Jordy Nelson. You let him go 10 for 10? He went 10 for 10, and I'm right there in the pocket. But I can't touch the ball. The receiver can touch the ball. Bing, right out of my grip. Yes. He caught the joint, and then I tackled him. Catch and tackle, but I'm like, oh, my, I'm right here. Why are you still throwing it?
31:03James Harrison:Oh, that's a pick. No, it's not. Oh, my God. Right out of my reach. I'm falling, diving for the ball. You know who I think was great, like, really great at throwing you out of being able to pick the ball, it was time, dude. You'd be like, oh, I done broke on this. And he would throw the ball to where it's going over your head to the receiver over his shoulder. And you're like, you done broke, dude. Yes, looping it. Yes. So I know you've been the same Jordy Nelson. I'm right there. And I'm like, he threw the fade ball. And I'm right there. And it went right over my hand. I'm like, this dude is unbelievable.
31:37James Harrison:He's trying me. And I can't touch it. I haven't touched the ball yet. You couldn't even knock one down, Joe? I didn't get no PBUs. None. Not one. All completions. They was catching it, and I was tackling them. I was like, oh, my God. Like this. Word of my hand. Oh, my God. He got it. Tackle. Bro, it was crazy.
32:00How many times did you have that game, baby?
32:02James Harrison:Man, how many times he threw it on me? Three. I had three tackles. That man went three. He went 10 for 10. I told you, with three for three on me, and three good tackles. Boom. Low tackles. Solid tackles, though. You made sure it wasn't no yak, though. No yak. Zero yak. No yak at all. Zero yak. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about, man. That was crazy. It was crazy. Where was that at? It was in Lambeau Field, 2010. Was it cold? It felt like, to me, dude, he got back in the cold, man. It was beautiful outside. It was a beautiful day. It was like in August. August.
32:40Yeah, he was whipping that thing. Man, he was spinning that ball so well. Yep, yep, yep. Yeah, that's one of those things you can't, you know, it's nothing you can do to defend great players.
32:55James Harrison:No, no, no. It's not about me. It's about Aaron. It had nothing to do with me. Yeah, it's all about. I was a nameless great face. It had nothing to do with you. It's all about him. I was a nameless great face. He saw through me that day. He saw through all of us. Dude, speaking of dude about him or nothing about you, let's roll over here to Miami, man. I guess Miami announced that they're captains for 2025 season. And there was no Tariq on it. I guess for the first time since 2022, he was not voted a captain. Mike McDonald and Mike McDonald had a very revealing quote. He said, we were focused on giving the keys to the captains to guys that had earned.
33:48Oh, hold on. The guys that had earned it each and every day. That's what speaks to me the most is the football team that knows who it wants to be led by. Captain C to the guys. I got you. All right. So, with that, Tariq not being selected, are you surprised? What's your reaction to that?
34:16James Harrison:I ain't going to lie to you, brother. I'm not surprised at all. Did you know, you remember at the end of the season, I'm trying to be out of here. And you know that could definitely at the end of the season. Not only am I trying to be out of here, this man pulled himself out the game in the third quarter. Come on, brother. So we acting like these are other grown men. These are your teammates that are voting for the captain. They seen that. And people just not going to vote for that. You know what I'm saying? They don't feel like you all in. And you said you wasn't all in. I mean, you apologize and everything, but that's cool.
34:50James Harrison:You're still going to be able to come in there. They're going to respect you. And as long as you go out there and work. These grown men, I want you to work. I want you to play every day, be on time for meetings. And when you're out there, grind. And when you're on the field, grind and try to be the best you can be. Be Tyreek. That's all I need. I need nothing. No more, no less. But making you a captain after you said what you said, I'm not going to go in there feeling no type of way, but you can actually speak louder than words. You can show me better than you can tell me. You coming in there, working, grinding, doing what you got to do, leading by example is what it's going to be.
35:18James Harrison:But it's okay you're not a captain. I was on the teams where I felt like I was a leader a couple of times that I wasn't a captain. I was never a captain when I was on the Steelers. That's Cam Hayward, TJ. It's going to be a certain amount of captains. So when they come there, then you know you're still going to be a valuable part. just don't be bringing bad vibes. Come in here, do your job, and it's going to be what it is. Maybe next season, if you come in there, show leadership, do what you got to do, then you can be a captain. But you know how that is. You told us you got to be a part. They ain't going to win.
35:46James Harrison:I'm not voting for you. Yeah, I think he let his emotional state right then get him into a situation that if he had just sat back and had time to cool off and think about it, I don't think he would have did and said the same things at that point. I mean, when you go back to it, you know, that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro. It was his first time, I believe, having a losing season in the NFL. So I think it was a knee jerk reaction, you know, to a situation that, you know, he saw as a permanent situation that may continue and was just like, yeah, I'm going to be out of here.
36:36Do you think do that?
36:37James Harrison:Do you think it's cool, though, that he's not going to be a captain? Do you realize you understand? I'm cool with it. You're cool with it. OK. I'm 100 percent cool with it, dude. I have no issue with it at all. Like you said, the team voted it. According to them, the team voted it. They made it to where they spoke by who they voted for. And, you know, that speaks for itself. It's sometimes where, you know, some teams you vote, but they end up picking who they want. You know what I'm saying? What you laughing for, Joe? I mean, that could be, could be, could be. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, I've heard of it happening.
37:23James Harrison:I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard. I would like to hope that it's like the lottery and it's legit, but you never know. You never know unless you see it for yourself and then you saw it and you know. So, I'm just saying, it's some teams that actually do pick who it is. they want to be the leader for their team. And sometimes they disguise it under the, you know, the pretense of that's who the guys pick. But it's kind of hard when it comes down to, you know, and guys are like, you pick who? You pick who? Like who? Who voted for who? Okay. You know what I'm saying? You just saying, I'm catching what you're putting down.
38:09James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? but I ain't trying to, you know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that, you know, that happens. That's all I was saying. But him not being voted, I mean, he even had, you know, he even understood it, you know what I'm saying? He took accountability for what he said. He's not surprised that he wasn't voted captain. You know, he know he's going to have to go in there and earn these guys' trust back and all that. You say that, you're basically saying that you don't want to be with us no more because we trash like you can't you can't say that because you're not saying like us you're saying like it's you joe you're trash i don't want to be here i need to get out of here because i can go and do way more without y 'all you know what i'm saying y 'all are trash i'm like i've won on other teams i need to go right i was in kansas city they were better than y 'all i need to go back yes that's what they felt like for sure now we skip on over to Dallas, man, Trayvon Diggs has finally came out and defended Micah saying that he felt everyone in Dallas current locker room like Micah and thinks the rumors likely came from former Cowboys.
39:22He said, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there are some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Micah. There was a lot of us, I would say, there was a lot of, I would say, hate, jealousy, envy towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field. Imagine if you came in here and you're thinking and you're taking somebody else, you're taking somebody's shine or taking somebody's spot, you're not going to like that. They're going to feel a type of way, especially if you're that type of person. Ooh. That sounds like shots fired. You didn't name any names, but, I mean, do you think Diggs was referring to Demarcus Lawrence?
40:18Ooh. I mean, that sounds about right. They were saying somebody's spot. They was I don't I'm just asking the question.
40:30James Harrison:I look, that's what I don't know. I don't my name Bennett and I ain't in it. But I mean, the descriptions of what he's saying, it says, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there are some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Michael. him there was a lot of i would say hate jealousy envy those are personal words towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field so imagine if you came in here and you're taking somebody's shine so he took somebody he was taking somebody's shine right and taking somebody's spot you're not going to like that right no you're going to feel a type of way especially if you're that type of person now he's saying that person is that type of person too so i don't i'm just asking a question to you like do you think he was referring to anybody in specific maybe demarcus lawrence or you i don't know did you think yes or no this this this would How could it possibly be?
41:45James Harrison:That's what I'm saying. It sounds like he's talking about somebody to play defensive end because he said taking his spot. Right. But we don't go from there. Previous defensive end that did there. I would say I love Trevon Diggs coming out because nobody really came out in defense of Micah Parsons. I know that these dudes kick it. They hang out. That's his boy. So from Trevon's perspective, it could be literally what it is. Like, that's my man's, we cool. Trayvon also has his bag and knows that Micah Parsons out there balling deserves his bag. He's been playing with me. We've been doing this together.
42:22James Harrison:So he's out there, I think, trying to defend for his man's. I don't know of the person that's not on the team anymore, but it sounds like another defensive end that was there that maybe, Debo, say, it's like, yeah, obviously. You know what I'm saying? Like the same situation when we have, it's like you and TJ come in where he's like, they not, maybe they didn't tell DeMarcus. Maybe they tried to play with him a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like they tried to play with you and TJ a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like that's probably, probably how it was. And DeMarcus don't play that.
42:53James Harrison:So he's probably vocalized how he felt. You know what I'm saying? And I think that some of that stuff, it doesn't have nothing to do with maybe Micah and Micah and his relationship as much as he thinks with DeMarcus and the Cowboys organization. You know what I'm saying? He might have talked to them, maybe not rocking. Oh, you drafted this dude. What do y 'all think is going on? I'm just trying to go from devil's advocate because there's always two sides of the story. I don't know what happened with Micah. I don't know what happened with DeMarcus, with Trayvon, what he's saying. I'm just trying to put pieces of the puzzle.
43:24James Harrison:but I just sounded like the puzzle kind of it kind of fitting you know the pieces is fitting you know when you line it up so I think it's a possibility will I give a definite yes or no no I can't do that no that's not we can't do that that would be that would not be that would be disingenuous a thousand percent to the argument come on Debo right exactly so So now speaking of Micah Parsons, Dan Campbell said, Dan Campbell, we know what kind of player Micah Parsons is. We'll have a plan. Does Micah Parsons put the Packers over the Lions in the NFC North, do you think? I mean, it helps them out a lot.
44:16James Harrison:I mean, I don't see why not. I mean, the Packers are not a bad team. Jordan Love has been playing really good. They beat. They did good last season. And with just adding another defensive player, that's going to help out their secondary. That's going to help out their pass rush. And I don't think they have nowhere to go but up since Jordan Love with another year under his belt. He's done nothing but prove to me that he can actually be a franchise quarterback. So if he can be a franchise quarterback, and Micah Parsons can help that defense out, because they don't look bad. They look like they're on the up and up.
44:49James Harrison:They're drafting well. They're moving in the right direction. So Packers are up for me. And like I said before, I've seen them. They made a Reggie White trade with a quarterback. They made a Charles Wilson trade with a quarterback. And now they got Jordan Love, and then they made this Micah Parsons trade. I'm liking them dudes knowing when they need to get a crazy piece on defense because they have a franchise quarterback. So I think the Packers is looking like they know what they're doing. So, yeah, I'm going to go with I think it puts the Packers as the guys in the NFC North right now. You added in a pass rusher.
45:27The games that, you know, they've played over the last year or two have been close games. When you take into account, you know, that the Lions, I believe, lost their O &D coordinator to head coaching positions. You got to change right there. You got Hutchinson coming back off of, you know, messing up his leg. You got to build that confidence back at going out there, especially, you know, how he ended up messing his leg up. He swung around. So you got to get used to it. How long that's going to take. I hit and swing around is, you know, he's back full 100 percent. But to get out there and live action when those bodies are flying around, it's a little different.
46:09But I think, you know, having Micah there and you add him in there with the current defensive line that they have, I think it puts them over the top. These three point games, you know, that that's going to go ahead and actually change where it's a sack fumble now. Yeah, that that three point game can be a switch from, you know, a loss to a win of three points or six points or seven points, whatever that may be. Yeah, they brought me a game changer. Yes, definitely a game changer. Like, there's no question. Amazon Pharmacy presents Painful Thoughts.
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48:45James Harrison:So now let's get back to our Steelers then. Okay. What you want to hit? Tell me what this is. I want to talk about your man, Adam Schefter. Schefter is talking about Cam Hayward maybe sitting out for the season opener. Cam sitting out for the season. What's going on over there? I don't know. I think he got two years left on his contract, don't he? He just signed a two-year extension. He got two more years left. I think he signed a two-year extension last offseason, which gave him this year and next year for contracts. So he got this year, and he has a deal for next year. So last offseason he signed a two-year extension because he only had one year left on his deal.
49:29James Harrison:So then he played that and now he has this one and next year from the extension he signed last year. Yeah, so he did sit out a portion of training camp and didn't rule out sitting in the start of the regular season until he gets what he wants. Hayward was practicing with the team on Monday, which suggests he's going to play. But Adam Scheffner says there's still a possibility. Cam Hayward doesn't suit up. they're not they haven't they have not been able to figure it out and so I would think it's going to be really interesting to see if Cam Hayward is on the practice field on Wednesday as the Steelers get ready for their season as the Steelers get ready to open their season on Sunday against the Jets.
50:20It's about to get interesting there. And again, maybe Cam Hayward says, I'm not going to play on this deal. It didn't sound that way earlier in the summer, but we'll find out what the deal looked like, Joe. What's the deal?
50:38James Harrison:The deal was two years,$29 million. So first year this season, this year he'll be making$14.7 million. And next year he'll be making like$14.2 million. So I think he's looking, I mean, I love the Steelers because, I mean, this is going to be, Cam's going to be year, what, 13? Year 13, 14? So, I mean, his production and everything, I understand what he's saying, has not slipped. So there's defensive tackles. I think it's up there. We got defensive ends, obviously, now$47 million a year with Micah Parsons. We got T.J. Watt at 41. We got Myles Garrett at 40. and he's kind of looking at it with him making 14.7 Pro Bowls and all that stuff.
51:23James Harrison:Like, maybe they don't deserve double what I'm getting. I mean, maybe they deserve double of what I'm getting, not triple. So he's making 14.6. Maybe Cam just wants a little$6 million bonus, you know what I'm saying, to make it around$20 million. But he did sign the extension. I can see where the Steelers are coming from where, man, Cam, this is going to be year 13, year 14. We got 14.7. then we got 14.2 the next two years. That ain't no slouch. We're giving you real bread. So I can see where they're coming from. And then with Cam as the player, as production-wise, what he has done is a little up from what his contract is making.
52:01James Harrison:But you can see how it's a little bit of both. This is like his fifth contract with the Steelers, and it's not a bad deal. Yeah, it's not. A defensive tackle on year 13, 14, making 14, 7, 14, 2. Those are good numbers. Those are good numbers. for like, you know what I'm saying? So it's not a disrespectful thing, but for Cam being the player, knowing this is going to be kind of his way out, trying to get as much as he possibly can because it is a business. He knows if he was playing bad, they might've did some other stuff. They might've, they might've let him go. He could've easily, he could've, they could've just let him slide.
52:32James Harrison:You know what I'm saying? But he knows the reason why he is still there is because of his production. It's not no friendly stuff. It is because, you know what I'm saying? I'm performing on the field. So. Yeah, I just, I don't know what it is that makes me think that he's not going to sit out unless i tell you what i see cam sitting out only if in his head he's saying i'll retire if you don't give me what i want that's the only way i see him sitting out because if you sit out like you got two years on your deal what you gonna do sit out till it's over with for a couple years yeah and i think the only way he he would sit out is if the thought process is if i don't get what i want i'm not going to play for this and i'll just retire because it's not worth it to do it at this number and put my body through whatever it is that i need to do yeah to get ready and stay ready for the season that's the only way i see him actually he kind playing this year is that he says that sounds like that sounds like a like a like a Aaron Donald like Aaron Donald knowing end of the day he can walk away unless he gets what it was he gets the number he wants if he doesn't feel like 14 million dollars a year touching taxes at 8 million to go to this thing where he's like no I should be making 20 I could tuck 10 11 like 12 million dollars you know I'm saying after this season then it's just really he's good you know I mean, that sounds crazy to say, but being able to be in Cam and be in the position that he is, like with his body, with his family, not wanting to do it, that would be, I think, like you said, that'd be the way, being able to sit out and be like this, I'm willing to walk away.
54:21James Harrison:But I think Cam's still ready to play, still wants to go. And if you do play Cam, you still got another 30 M's, you know what I'm saying, coming in these next two seasons. So I would hunker down. Yeah, I would. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I did it for way less, baby. You know what I'm saying?
54:40But, you know, I wasn't trying to count anything else, but what was good enough for me to go out there and play and be okay with it.
54:50James Harrison:A thousand percent. And that's on Cam. He knows his number. He knows what's going to make him good and what he feels like he deserves. So more power to him because that's my good man. He a baller. Hopefully everything works out for sure. Hopefully it works out. You know, even if it don't, hopefully it still works out. You know what I'm saying? Look, we'd be talking about my man taking 14-7 or getting some more money. So it's a win-win. No question. So Matthew Stafford will start the season opener against the Texans. Will Stafford finish the season as he deals with an aggravated disc in his back?
55:30I don't know.
55:32James Harrison:I don't know. I love Matthew Stafford, man. I played against him since he was at Georgia and I was at Florida. He had A.J. Green there. So we had some battles ever since 2008. So I love his game. He also has a cannon of an arm. Great competitor. Plays hurt. You know what I'm saying? Like, I really, really love his game. But you know that thing, that health, that thing is always going to catch up with you. Can't nobody run away from that. So I think as long as his line tries to keep him upright, but he's a gangster. He's going to stay in the pocket. he gonna stare down the barrel so I mean it's just I don't know depending on what I look like I don't know I think as long as he doesn't have a catastrophic event where it like just totally herniates he'll be able to make it because I myself went through a whole 14 weeks all the way up to the Super Bowl where I had a herniated disc in my back.
56:35And it was the year we ended up losing to Green Bay in the Super Bowl. So I'm sitting there, dude, and, you know, as the beginning of the week goes on, you know, I'm taking the tee shot. And the tee shot would make it go away. So I would play, you know, my first game was cool, you know, Second game was a cool. Third game, I took the tee shot and I'm like, yo, I can still feel something. So I believe it was the fourth game came along and it wasn't touching it no more. I'm like, yo, like y 'all got to check out what's going on. I'm getting these pains down my legs. You know, I'm getting a sciatic pain.
57:14I'm getting this stinging pain in my in my Achilles, you know, all that. and you know it got to the point to where you know i was playing and i go to step on that foot to turn the corner dude my whole leg just boom gone oh no i just fall right so they did an mri they do the mri i go in and uh they're like get the mri report and doc like yo you need to come in So I go in and he's testing me out and he's like, James, you know, just looking at your back, you know, I would say that you you need to have something done right now. He said, but you know, you're testing out strong and all that. And I'm like, yeah, I'm strong when I'm strong.
57:56But when it ain't, it's gone. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So basically it was an option of get the surgery now. You're out six weeks. Right. Or get the surgery after the season. so I'm like well let's just get the surgery now man you know what I'm saying okay well end up talking to you know I guess the training staff and everything else and whatever and they're like well let's just go until you know you can't you can't go anymore right so I'm like all right cool I'm like I'm willing to do it anyway you know what I'm saying I want I want to play I want to win I want to help my team you know what I'm saying because I looked at my dudes as family you know what I'm saying that's 100 % what year was this this was 2010 man but the year the year they uh the year before they locked us out so I go and I'm playing and dude I had two times where you know I had one time they had to come get me I couldn't get out to bed bro I had two times where I actually got a epidural dude on a like a pregnancy epidural yes so they take they take and um they do it you know uh fluoroscope guided and they go to the site where the disc is and they inject uh cortisone and some numbing stuff uh sorry uh cortisone yeah cortisone and some numbing stuff so when they hit it it's like boom i'm like oh because it's taking that pressure off of the nerve that the disc is pressing on so it was my it was my s1 l5 l5 l4 it was my lumbar so it was pressing all those nerves so I was getting a sciatic and that's why you know a couple times my leg just drop give out on you know so I lose lose power and all that yeah yeah so I go and I you know I play through it you know you played the whole season with that being able to go I play I play yeah I played 12 weeks with it being able and I also was getting a lot of soft tissue work so I was doing things like you know I was getting dry needled so I was getting my paraspinals needle which is the muscles in between your spine to make sure that, you know, I was able to keep that as loose as possible so it didn't squeeze down on that nerve, right?
1:00:11What was your practice schedule like? I practiced normal, bro. Practice normal. I practiced normal. I didn't change nothing about my practice, bro. Like, I love to practice because I'm not a person that could sit there and look at a scheme. I need to be out there doing it. I need to feel what I'm going to get. No, no, no, for sure. So I go through I go through that that whole thing, man. I get through the season and we get done. We lose the Super Bowl. Right. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, OK. They like, well, you know, let's go ahead and do the surgery. Now I'm like, you know, let's hold off.
1:00:46You said it's a possibility that it could retract back, whatever. Right. So they're like, well, they're about to lock us out. I don't know if you want to wait that long. And, you know, it's kind of close to the nerves that control your bowel and bladder function. I say what that mean? Well, you get piss and poop on yourself. I thought it meant I'm like, so I could have been telling me this back 12 weeks ago. like come on so ended up getting the surgery and here's the crazy thing it's like I know my body so well bro that I'm sitting there and I'm like seven days out of surgery and I'm like doc hey something ain't right I'm still feeling a little little something on there like oh it might be you know trying to say oh it might be swelling or whatever I'm like no it ain't swelling I know my body man it's not so they had me go do another MRI he come back in he said yeah we got to go back in we can't get it all so what they missed Debo they had to go up another level he was trying to be conservative and keep as much this in there as he could but he couldn't so he went back in so I had two back surgeries in nine days and didn't do none of my therapy with the team because they locked us out.
1:02:12So I did all my therapy with my trainer in Arizona. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, dude, I think that was the best thing that ever happened. You wanted to do that. He took care of you. Yes, definitely, dude. Definitely. I know guys that had it done, and I think one or two guys had it done the same year I did, and neither one of them played more than two more years after that. I played another seven. So, you know, I did the right thing to take care of my body to make sure that I actually helped fix what was causing the issue. That's like a lot of guys who go and have these knee issues and they say, oh, well, you know, it's just wearing terror.
1:02:52Well, it ain't wearing terror. It's probably a muscle, especially when it's in your knee. It's a muscle that's somewhere in your quad, your hamstring, even in your calf. That's not firing the same. So if you fix that firing of the mechanism of the muscle, So the knee now works in that same groove correctly and you don't get to wear and tear. But what they do is they treat the symptom. The symptom is that it's now not moving correctly and the symptom is now shaving off cartilage. So what do they do? They go in there, drain your knee or they scope it down instead of actually fixing the problem. That's a big part.
1:03:25Yes. Yes. Put mandates on stuff. Right. Right. Right. So I think it's a possibility as long as he has a good team behind him that he could finish the year, like I said, bearing any real, you know, catastrophic, you know, thing that would cause it to actually totally herniate or rupture.
1:03:50James Harrison:That's just, man, that's his left tackle, making sure he don't get blown by. And he, Matthew Stapp, back blown. It's so easy to get that back blown out. I'm telling you, man, that quarterback, man, the quickest way Matthew Stafford be out of there is a blindside. So Vegas has Lamar Jackson as the top for MVP odds. Reigning MVP, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and their – I can't see that word. hairs beneath beyond him are plus 600 and Patrick Mahomes rounding out the top four at plus 650 oh is this the year Lamar Jackson puts it all together and not only wins the MVP but puts up the Lombardi trophy brother what do you think so you know obviously we in the north play for the Steelers.
1:04:45James Harrison:That's why I'm saying no. I'm hating. I know you're going to hate. I'm a hate. I'm from Maryland. You know what I'm saying? So honestly, this is my thing. Patrick Mahomes has so many of the rings. He's controlling the AFC North. I love him. I love Patrick Mahomes too. He's a good man. Him and Trav. But what I want is Lamar. I just don't want people to keep disrespecting Lamar's greatness. And I don't think if he doesn't get a Super Bowl ring, then people won't understand how great Lamar Jackson really is and what he's really doing in this league. So, I mean, he's going to MVP odds every season, regular season.
1:05:22James Harrison:They're going to ball out. Lamar Jackson has his legs. He's quick. He's fast. He's going to do Lamar Jackson things the whole season. And they got a solid defense, too. You think he's going to get that Lombardi this year? I thought for real it was last year. So this year I'm going to say no. I thought last year was the year they looked so good I was honestly quietly rooting I was rooting for him I was rooting for Lamar but then last year when I was like this what happened it just didn't happen it seemed like they getting to the playoffs and health issues with guys not being there and then they just unraveled I don't know what it is I don't know what's going on I don't but I ain't gonna lie I would rather anybody else wanted except for Cleveland, Cincinnati or Baltimore.
1:06:16I was okay. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Bro, I'm hating. I ain't giving a lie to you, man. I think
1:06:22James Harrison:we about out of time, man. Listen. You gotta be honest. Be honest. Obviously, you don't want them to win. No question. No question, bro. No question. Listen, like I said, we about out of time, man. I want to thank you guys for joining us for this podcast of Deebo and Joe. Hit the like button. Subscribe. We'll be back. Had it on Friday. We'll be back Friday. Make sure you subscribe to Deebo and Joe or I'm going to have Deebo. I don't even know what this is, but I think that's my son's way of putting up three now. I told him to put it up like that, but I don't know if he listened, but this is three now.
1:07:07I seen it in a movie where it got a dude killed because he was supposed to put up three but he put up three like this and they knew that that wasn't the right three because that area they put up three like this so they knew he was a spy got shot up alright now y 'all have a good one we'll get back to you on Friday peace
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Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Bill Belichick losing 48-14 to TCU in his UNC coaching debut, Tyreek Hill not being voted a Miami Dolphins captain this season, Pittsburgh Steelers DL Cam Heyward still at a stalemate with the team on contract negotiations, and much more!
Timecodes:
00:41 - TCU beats UNC
11:05 - Saquon Barkley No.1 on NFL Top 100 players
18:01 - RB contracts are diabolical
24:54 - Is Rodgers the GOAT?
29:47 - Tyreek Hill not voted Dolphins captain
35:40 - Trevon Diggs refutes negative Micah Parsons reports
40:29 - NFC North predictions
43:31 - Cam Heyward holding out?
49:54 - Matthew Stafford to start season
58:43 - Lamar Jackson top MVP odds
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