Best Guest Moments 2025 Part 3: Jim Jones, Sterling Sharpe, Quinshon Judkins

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24:15Shannon Sharpe:Jim Jones is joining us as Ocho with Breaking It Man. Jim, how you doing, bro? How you feeling, my brother? You good? Yeah, I'm good, man. Life is good. God is good. I can't complain. Yeah. So talk to us a little about this music thing. You've been in this thing for a minute now. So talk about Jim Jones of 20 years ago, Jim Jones today. Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have you noticed, have you tried to do anything different with your sound to keep up with the way the industry is headed? Oh yeah. The industry, the industry has changed tremendously from, from when I started.

24:52There wasn't no social media for, for, for, for one. Yeah. When I started in 2003 with my first, first deal. And even before that, when Cam started with his deal. So these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing and promo that we didn't have that access to a lot of information. that we didn't have. A lot of people say it works against us, but I think it works for us in watching the way that these kids work in the present day and things like that. I've learned a lot from them from how they carry their music, from how they sell their music, from how they market and promote their music.

25:22Us as being here for so long, we tend to get caught up in our dinosaur ways from yesterday and how they carry artists, but that's not the way they carry artists today. So there are platinum artists that have their nose up because they're big platinum artists, but that don't count in today's society. They don't carry it the same way. So what I've chosen to do is always chosen to try to reinvent myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing, but there's a medium in that reach because I always want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn something also. So, you know, and reinventing yourself, you've got to be willing to be disciplined to know what direction you want to go in when it comes to reinventing yourself.

25:59You know what I mean? One of the things I do is the gym. The gym is one of the biggest attributes to me being able to sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is a long fun.

26:10Shannon Sharpe:Jim, let me ask you this. And I hear this a lot, and a lot, especially in music. And I see this with television and entertainment, actresses. It's like, man, every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay, he does something different. Man, he don't sound like the old guy. he don't sound like he used to okay uh an actor they try actor actors they try to do a different role than what we're used to seeing man i like when he did that i don't like i don't like this new so you want the guy to change you want the individual to change and give you something different and when they give you something different you say they don't sound the same and you don't like it so how does someone win now the person that that i have the utmost respect for and what she's been able to do is Beyonce.

26:58Shannon Sharpe:Beyonce is as big as you can get in one genre. And she says, you know what? I'm going to go over here and I'm going to do this. I mean, it takes some hustle. It takes some guts, Jim, to do that. I mean, she's like Michael Jordan. When Michael Jordan left the NBA, he went to the NBA, the major league. And MLB, the major league. He tried to play baseball. He had to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean? Same with Dion Neon Dion when he was playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the same time in both of them sports. I mean, that takes a lot of heart. I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way that Beyonce has done it.

27:35So I tip my hat to all the barriers that she continued to break inside of this music industry. Yeah. Hey, Jimmy, what do you think right now about the state of hip-hop, where it is right now? How do you feel about it, especially with the young dudes, with the sound now? Now, obviously, I think when it comes to rap in general, hip hop in general, I think the sound changes every 10 years. How do you think about this era of hip hop right now that we're in? Do you like it? Have you embraced it? What? I mean, in my opinion, it doesn't matter because I had my time where we were dictating the sound of music and we had a ball.

28:12And there were older people that were hating on the time that we had and things like that. I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. And as long as it's connecting with their crowd and the people are singing your shit and they're going to your shows, then who am I to say, I don't like that music when they out here spanking shit? You know what I mean? You did play. So it's like, you got to find, you got to stay true to yourself, but find your rhythm in the midst of what's going on. Or else you're going to be lost in the sauce or you're going to be looking like an old dude or you're going to be looking like a has-been.

28:41You understand? I'm not into that. My energy ain't for that. You heard? If I'm going to be a contender in this game, I'm going to play at the top of my ability to play. You know what I mean? I'm not going to take no shortcuts or nothing. I'm in it. I'm in it. I mean, I got to contend with the younger boys. I got to contend with the older boys. That means I got to come through stepping. They only respect violence. And not to say violence, but you know what I mean. Like, they got to see that shit. You dig it? While I'm in the game, I'm going to show them that shit. Like, people don't get it twisted.

29:06Like, I'm a man of many, many different things. Like, my rapper hat is one hat that I wear. Right. But if I'm rapping and I'm in it, I'm in it. What's up? I'm going against all odds and what I got to do to maintain or be a contender in this game and keep feeding my family and making the money that I make off of this. You know what I mean? I think people get that twisted when they see me talking and popping my shit and shit like that. That's just one character that I got to put out there for y 'all to eat up. You know what I mean? But I'm - Rob Markman - Yeah. How did - Matter of fact, hold on.

29:34I got - Go ahead, don't you? I'm going to let you go. I just, I saw some comments and saw a clip about, you know, And you and Push, I'm not sure if you and Push got any type of beef or whatever. I just saw something about you talking about the Ace Trumpets. You didn't like the album. You didn't like the song. What he raps about is not... I don't got no beef with nobody. You heard me? Okay, okay. I'm just asking. Half of it is my opinion. Half of it is me bending the algorithm. Half of it is feeding into people's simplicity because the social media is for that. You know what I mean? And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game.

30:10It comes with the territory. You got to be very competitive. It's a very competitive sport. And you better have some thick skin. I ain't saying that I want to hurt nobody or do nothing to nobody. Everything I've been talking about has strictly about the art of world when it comes to the music nowadays. Now, maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it would have been a different outcome of what I was, you know what I mean? When I was projected. I'm not on that. And I think a lot of that gets twisted in what the Jim Jones of today and things like that. I ain't got no puns with nobody. I ain't got no pops, no nothing.

30:42And, you know, it's parts of me that I've been working on every day. So it's how sometimes I talk way too fast than I should. You heard it? But it's part of the game. I don't care. You dig? I hate it. I love it. I'm going to turn it into a victory for me.

30:56Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. Check this out, Jim. It seems to me since this past summer, well, past last summer, when Kendrick had that diss, it seems like now people are just like, Hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had, got five Grammys. He hosted a halftime show, the Super Bowl, blah, blah, blah. We see a lot more dissing going on. Is that where we're headed now? Danny, where you been at? You don't remember Tupac? You seen the success that Tupac had? Yeah, but look. You see the success? What about Kumo? What about Kumo DLL? This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that. So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no surprise to the rap industry.

31:40I mean, people look at it as something, but this is what the art of rap is about. It's a very competitive sport, and you got to be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that. So if you put something out, you got to be ready for the same energy to come back at you. That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down that lane. Some people go around that lane. Some people go right through it. I'm one of the people that go right through it. Win, lose, or draw. I keep the same face.

32:03Shannon Sharpe:But hold on, hold on. Jim, Jim, bro, I'm not looking for you to come at me. I put you on, remember? I used to have you on my, I used to have, I used to tour with me. Used to open up for me, bro, you know? You remember that, right? Whenever nobody was booking you, you remember that, Jim? You heard this song? You heard this saying when rivals, I mean, idols become your rivals? That's what the rap game is about. Did Allen Alveson hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA? Yeah, he crossed his ass up. I think he's going to be okay because he was on another team. That might not stop the love he had for Mike, but while we on this battlefield, my team got to win, and I wouldn't have killed anybody that's in front of me for my team to win.

32:44And that was Allen Alvarez's attitude. You got to understand what happens when you come into this game. Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes when we on the other team. We meet you at the party. We can laugh, pop champagne, but right now, while we on this field, while we on this court, oh, I'm coming to scrape shit out.

32:58Shannon Sharpe:No, we can't pop no more champagne. You got people laughing at me, and guess what? They playing at the football games. they played in the basketball game, not like us. Oh, no, we can't pop no champagne after that. As a matter of fact, I'm going to close the club down. If he coming, I ain't coming. I mean, but I just told you that's what it is. It's competitive to the sport now. It got different levels to it and things like that, but that's what this was built on. You heard? So it's sad that they got to go to such lengths when it comes to artists getting at each other when it comes to the music.

33:30but what you project is what you're going to get. So just have that same energy you put out there because somebody coming right back at you with that same energy, sooner or later. Well, let me ask you one more question, Ocho.

33:42Shannon Sharpe:So are we going to get some new music? Because we saw you and Cam kind of going back and forth. Is it Dipset coming back? Y 'all going to link up together and give us some new music? Yes or no? Right now, I'm worried about myself. Dipset is always Dipset. The birds still fly. I've been having a bird on my back for the past 15 years when nobody was worried about it, you think? So that's going to go. But right now, I got to worry about me. I got to worry about my endeavors. I got to worry about my business. I got to worry about my family, you dig? I've done a lot for diplomats where it didn't did me nothing at the time.

34:10But right now, where I'm at in my life, what works for me and what I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what the future may hold or what the future may bring. I'm not taking nothing off the table, you dig? But right now, it's about Jim Jones. And yeah, I am a diplomat owner. Bet. Go ahead, Ocho. I like that. Listen, you took the question. I was finesse. And I think, you know what? History repeats itself, Jimmy. History always repeats itself. And most of the time when history repeats itself, it comes back even bigger and better. I think diplomats are going to have a reunion. I think y 'all boys are going to reunite.

34:42And despite your differences, despite whatever situations y 'all might have, you know, all that can be fixed behind closed doors. That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to be had. Especially when you're making that money. or check you're a like a nice check always calms things there you heard i'm not a stupid man you heard you dig but i understand man but right now where i'm at until that happens until some business can put on the table was advantageous for all sides right now i gotta worry about what capo was doing and it's been working for me that way you know i mean i've been staying out of everybody's weight a little bit you know i mean trying to every day every day i work on me every day i get better and things like that you think i'm i'm unapologetic you dig and i don't have no aggressive you know me but i do i do work on myself every day i mean i'm not a perfect man you dig but i'm the perfect example of what could happen if you stay down till you come up and that's

35:33Shannon Sharpe:what i did plenty of times i got jim like look you want the og's rap i mean hip-hop is 50 years of age you've been in this thing two decades i ain't 50 i'm 48 i said hip-hop is 50 i thought you was shooting it at me my bad nah nah nah hip-hop is 50 but you've been in this thing for two decades, right? I've been in this thing a little bit more than that since 1997 Camon got his first deal so I'm like 28 years into two Okay, so almost three decades. Yeah, 100%. And I've been signed my first deals two decades ago. How do you determine who you work with now? When you want to work with the young artists how do you go about that?

36:15Shannon Sharpe:How do you be like, man, I kind of like him. I think we can make some beautiful music together. I mean, I hold no prejudice. I'm looking for great music and I'm looking for great aesthetic. Music isn't everything in today's world when it comes to music. If you've got a lifestyle that you can sell, these kids can buy into, that's just as good as having a great hit song and things like that. And that's how it worked for me. So it's a combination of the things that I look for to work with the artists or to do business with the artists. But as far as doing music with the artists and things like that, obviously, I'm a lover of music.

36:44So if I hear a record that I think is dope and I think the artist is dope, I'm going to reach out to him.

36:52Shannon Sharpe:How do you stay motivated? We lost him? Yeah. I think we lost him. Oh, damn. That was good. I was enjoying that, bro. Hey, I'm thinking about rapping, man. Shoot, man. What you think? Ocho? What you going to rap about now, Ocho? For me? Yeah. Hey, I mean, I'm just saying, I'm going to rap about things that I've experienced in life. You know, that's the best thing to rap about. That's what most rappers, they rap about the thing that they've experienced. You know, the ups, the downs, the goods, the bads, you know, the W's, the L's. I think I could put it together. You think so? Oh, there we go. Oh, you're back.

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41:19Shannon Sharpe:Jim, at this juncture of the game, what keeps you motivated? What makes Jim jump out of bed, press down hard as he can, and press go? what keeps you going? I will say the money but I've been making money for a long time and the opportunity to take care of my family I've been doing that for a long time at this point I've been doing a lot so I've been my mission has been to give back more than I took but I was able to take a lot and I'm still taking so that's where I'm at in life right now you know what I mean? The more I bless people the more I get blessed and it's just a testament of hard work and being resilient and being real with yourself you know what I mean?

42:01Shannon Sharpe:Can I ask you a question, Jim? Mm-hmm. You smoke, right? Yeah. Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas? I might have been a little bit. Well, as far as, let's get this right. I'm way more influential than Nas, and I don't care what nobody say. I know I made a little booboo when you talk about the sales and all this type of shit. I don't feel like getting into that rhetoric about where I started and where he started. Well, you said that bullshit. But listen, Nas was nice when I was in high school. When I was in 10th grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope. We appreciated him. he had a little bit run but Nas always came up second to Jay and DMX and all these other people like he never had that type of influence on us except for his first album I already told you I used to want to dress like Nas because he had a lot of fresh clothes that the hustlers used to wear and shit and we used to see him on TV he had one of the illest albums of all time um and then in high school when he had the barbecue and shit like that so I'm a real fan of Nas but he kind of lost me after Bell the movie Belly and shit like that like I don't go ahead on with that Jim I'm trying to tell you i'm being honest you want to be you know i'm being a fan i'm telling you from the movie belly was fire but after that he kind of lost me i don't think i think we was way too much into the game remember how this goes that's not you ever heard of a kofi list yeah yo go back into your history and find out what happened between us and him you diggin i'm not trying to repeat history but don't play with us when it comes to that bro we already went when when went wild on them boys you heard we the ones that went well on them boys you heard hey jim and And people out here acting like I said, I'm going to bring the Kufi list back.

43:28I just told you I'm going to change man's stuff along. Can you dig? Nah, look.

43:32Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to put it there like this, bro. You've been at this thing. But lyrically, I'm going to keep it a stack with you. Y 'all ain't everything with Nas. Look how you dress. You don't even be in the same places I be in. I can be in the church house. You can't ever with Nas lyrically. I don't know who told you that. Now, look. I know you on that good stuff, but you're not seeing Nas. You're not seeing Nas, bro. You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said, I'm better than ours. It don't matter. Ain't nobody from the dim set gonna take you over ours. Ain't nobody from the diplomats but you.

44:08That shirt's too tight. Hold on, hold on, hold on. That shirt's too tight. Hold on, hold on. That shirt's too tight. Hold on. You want to go back to I really mean it? I really mean it, Stonard. If you could go back to your history, bro. Don't do that, bro. Don't do that, bro. That shirt's too tight. That shirt's too tight. I got a question. I got a question. Let NARC stick up for itself and meet me in a booth or something if we want to do something historical. NARC say he don't do that no more.

44:31Shannon Sharpe:NARC say he don't do that. Because he got a hundred million dollars. He's a very wealthy man. You heard he's a very smart businessman. He caught a couple business clicks. Hold on, hold on. Jimmy, hold on. I got a question, Unc. Hold on, hold on. Go ahead. Hold on, hold on, Jim. Hold on, hold on. Unc, I got a question. What? This is what you do, Jimmy. And anything that you do, right, Unc? I've heard you preach it all the time, right? When you was playing football, your first thing you always say, ain't nobody here better than me. Ah, tell him again. You done told me that story a million times.

44:58Wait, listen to me, man. Fuck you think I'm going to be second to anybody in this world? Hold on, Jimmy. Jimmy, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. But I'm just saying, that mentality, isn't that how you supposed to feel?

45:12Shannon Sharpe:Isn't that how you supposed to feel? So let me ask you a question. When you was on the field, you thought you was better than T.O. and Moss? Hell yeah. What you mean? I ain't going to say it out loud. You done came on here and say, I ain't better than Moss. I'm not better than T.O. I'm not better than Rice. You said that. I'm not playing the game no more. But you wasn't playing. You didn't play. That's the difference. Jim, why you talking? You need to get with the locks. I'm still playing. Jayden, them don't cook y 'all into verses. I'm still playing. I'm still playing at a high level. We need to check my record, you heard?

45:43You jumping up the mouse. I'm still playing at a high level. I'm rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro. I will run circles around Nas rapping right now. Right now, I will run satin around Nas right now rapping. Everybody knows that. You heard? That's not talking about the past. Bro, bro, bro. He put it down. He sat it down. I will run laps around Nas rapping right now, bro. Jim. Oh, you're talking about right now. But I'm talking about when y 'all... I'm still in it. You couldn't see him. I'm still in it. He got out. Cam was smoking his boots. I wasn't rapping when he was rapping, but Cam really got at him.

46:27You remember I really mean it? We've been getting at them boys, but this is not about that. Right now, 2025, I'm in the game still rapping at a high capacity. If Nas wants to smoke, come in the booth. I will rap circles around him. He don't want no smoke. He enjoying that$150 million,$200 million. Okay then, so then leave me alone while I'm on the field. You were effing with him. He wasn't vibing you. I'm on the field. I'm picking on whoever, whatever. I don't care. I'm on the field. And guess who's the most talked about person tomorrow?

46:53Shannon Sharpe:And guess who would be the most talked about person tomorrow? You need to call like Drake. You need to call like Weezy. You need to call like Kendrick. You need to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it. Why? Kendrick ain't my age. Kendrick ain't my age. I was in a day in my era. I ain't got, that's not my error. He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement? Well, that's my error. So I'm calling all of them out. I don't care if you retired or not. Deal with it. If not, meet me in the booth, Jack. You heard me? Meet me in the booth. And I'm just talking about sportsmanship. Tell Jada.

47:27Let's get, let's just get, let's get this right. I'm not mad. It's all about the sportsmanship of the game. People know I'm a very aggressive person. That seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking about shit. I'm just talking about shit. You heard? Let me talk my shit because I am on the field. If anybody got a problem with that, they can meet me on the field. That is the booth. Anybody from that era. Anybody. Hey, well, I got... Anybody from that era. Anybody. Well, you and Jada in the same era. Anybody from that era. You ain't seeing Jada. Stop that. I said anybody from that era. Stop that.

48:04I'm not scared of nobody.

48:06Shannon Sharpe:Man, pup, hey, hey, see you speeding right now. Anybody from that era, I'm not scared of nobody. I'm in the booth daily. I'm in the booth daily. I'm in the booth daily. In the booth daily. Anybody want to work out, tell him come to the field. This is the perfect opportunity. You're not even paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen, he said anybody from his area, anybody, he in the field, right? Shit, we can have our own versus on that, our own nightcap versus. I got I got It's deeper Than the verses It's about Who making music Meet me in the booth Put the record up Give us a time To do the record by Give us a subject And let's see Who gonna smoke Who on the booth Yeah Yeah it is That's it Come on It's about the sportsmanship It's about the craftsmanship Fuck the numbers Fuck the records You heard Cause we both got records That can smash We both got Nigga meet me in the booth Fuck all that Old school shit When playing on records From 20 years ago I am not nostalgic, nigga.

49:09It's 2025. Don't want smoke. Meet me in the booth. Set it up and we can do it for money. Labels that pay for it. How y 'all want to do it? We can make a spectacle out here. I got it. Let's go. I'm a sportsman, you heard?

49:22Shannon Sharpe:I got Nas. I got God for it. Well, get him in the booth. I got Jada. Listen to me. If you get anybody in the booth, I will pull up by myself. on mommy. Yeah, why would you want to pull over the team? They can't help you. When you get on that mic, they can't help you. When 29 starts spinning, who you going to get to help you? Hey, you're not seeing the vision. I'm seeing the vision. That nigga's standing shirts. It's an opportunity. You got to start buying a bag of your clothes, big fella. You're too big, man. You talk about you in the gym. Now you want to get me, you want me to see me in the gym?

50:01Shannon Sharpe:Since you like to talk that ish, now come see me in the gym. Come see me in the gym. What are we talking about? Working out or strength? Work however you want to do it. Since you got money, put your money where your mind feels. Since you're talking about working out, I burn you. You're talking about working out or strength? Because you probably can lift a lot more than me. Whatever. You're probably stronger than me. But if you're talking about working out, you're talking about working out, I burn you. This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want. You are doing good when you're talking about Nars and Jada.

50:36Shannon Sharpe:You don't want to see this. You better check the stack. You better check my stack. You better go to my IG. Set it up. Man, please. Also, set it up. I'll be the... Hey, I live for dump trucks loading up of guys like you. What you want to start on? You ain't in my league, bro. What you want to start on? How you want to do this? You ain't in my league. What you want to start on? You ain't in my league. You too small. You too small. You too small. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You want to put a trainer in between? Don't back out. Do not back out now. This you! This you! Bro. You too small. Bro. You talking a lot.

51:13Shannon Sharpe:What you want to do? I didn't want to do it. Hey, stick to what you do. You good on the mic. I won't take that away from you. But stay out of jail. Do you want to do it or not? You got some money. Do you want to do it or not? I want to compete too. Uncle, what we doing? Because neither one... Hey, start with Ocho. You came. I want to compete too. You don't get to cover to me in the room. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm going to tell you one story. How I met Antonio Brown. My son said, you know, Antonio Brown live up the block because I live on the beach and shit like that.

51:46I'm like, who is that? He like, he showed me to him. I DM'd him. He like, oh, yeah, your son play football? Come get this workout. So I get on the beach. Cam Newton and like a few other NFL players. I ain't going to say nobody's name. He made two of them go home because I finished the workout before they finished the workout, bro. Do not play with me. I'm a beast, nigga. I will go crazy on you, Shannon. Shannon, I will go crazy on you. What do you want to do? Let's go. You want to work out or you want to do strong shit? You heard? Yeah. Because obviously you can lift longer than me, but you can't work out with me, bro.

52:15I'm a beast, nigga. I'm a beast. Yeah. You can't do one muscle up, nothing. You can't do nothing with me, bro. Dude, you weigh 150 pounds. You should do muscle up. I weigh 195. I weigh 195. Hey, Jim, you a lightweight. You better go to my Instagram right now. I work out every day. I post it. I don't post it. Don't play with me. I work out in secret. I post it every day, nigga. What's up? I don't post nothing.

52:44Shannon Sharpe:What day you want me to come to Atlanta? I ain't even in Atlanta. I'm going to come see you. Oh, come to New York. We got gyms. When you want to do it? Man, the little song, right? You want to do a live on the show? You want to do a live on the show? 30-minute workout? I don't do anything for sure. Just me and you. and I just want you to know that I keep your ass doing what you do. You see what I'm saying, old Joe? Hey, I'm about dough. I'm about dough. I'm about dough. The show gets the dough. You never heard that? Yeah. No dough, no show. What's up? You scared? We can do it for pay-per-view.

53:19I know you got a lot on the line because you're a professional football player or an expert football player. I retired. When you signed your first contract, I retired. I'm retired. So how would an F football player look like you're straight up by an older rapper?

53:35Shannon Sharpe:Hey, when we going to compete? Ain't no rapper beating me in nothing. But on the microphone. When it comes to the gym, that ain't happening. What you want to do? What you want to do? Look here. The rap game, that's you. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era of expertise. Yeah, man, I ain't finna waste my time dealing with you, man, because you ain't on this level. You want to run sprints? You want to run routes? What you want to do? Or you just want to stay in the gym? Or you just want to stay in the gym? And I got a bad hamstring, and I still give you work. Or you want to stay in the gym?

54:11I'm staying in the gym.

54:12Shannon Sharpe:I don't want to do nothing but that iron. I don't move nothing but iron. Yeah, yeah. That's what I thought. We can move iron, bro. I was going to win your ass out with the iron, bro. What I did, hey, check my resume. It's expensive. it. In 30 minutes, you will not, you won't last 30 minutes with me. You want me to follow you or you want to follow me? How you want to do it? You can't follow me. I'm a record. You can't do nothing. You can't bench. You can't squat. You can't, you can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements. I don't do body weight movements. You better go check my gram.

54:43I do circus squats. I do regular squats. We do deadlifts. We do everything. Are you out your mind?

54:48Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I'm a little weight. You 195 pounds. Man, what I look like going up against a 195 pound man in the gym. That's wasting my time. Next, Ocho, take that. Take that. Ocho, take that. I'm a heavyweight. I'm a heavyweight. I'm a heavyweight. Where I'm from, a challenge is a challenge, nigga. Yeah, it regards to size, right? You heard? We fight all bullies where I'm from. That's how I get up, nigga. Yeah. You heard? I ain't getting no man on nothing, nigga. You heard? Hey, I'm the U.S. Hey, I'm the U.S. What I look like taking over Greenland. They ain't even got no damn military. Gym dog doing this ain't what you like.

55:24Shannon Sharpe:This ain't what you looking for. Bring your mouth and your body to Harlem. Let's go to the gym. Let's go to the gym. Yeah, man, about that, man. He want to do some muscle. You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers. No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape. Hey, apple is a shape. Pear, egg. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape. and you can ask everybody. The whole industry knows. We was having a great conversation. It was great. You see what you did? Why do you think I was on the cover of Men's Health? For my looks? Because I get busy. Oh, Lord have mercy.

56:04When we going in the gym, because I want this work. I'm busy. I want this work.

56:10Shannon Sharpe:Now you busy. You bring it up. Now you busy, Rich Man. You brought it up. You own your cupid. First of all, you chat, you own Nas, you want Jada, you want everybody, and then you got to come and say, hey, why are nobody? You said that. You said that. You start bringing other people in. Don't try no slick shit. I said, I don't care who it is. I will go up against anybody. That's what I said. Jim Jones claims he's a better rapper than Nas. Jim Jones defends himself against Nas comparison. Jim Jones rejects Nas comparison. Check my record. Jim Jones argues he's bigger than Nas. You said that. You sound like you're a little hot.

56:48You over there hot. You in your feelings? Because me and everybody else know you can't F with Nas. Your glasses is crooked. Fix your glasses a little bit. Your glasses is a little crooked. My glasses are fine.

56:59Shannon Sharpe:What kind of glasses is that? I take them off. You can see? And I still can see you can't F with Nas. I put them back on. You still can't F with Nas. Come on. Sing 16 bars in Nas right now. Sing your favorite Nas record right now. The man busy. Sing it. Sing it. Sing your favorite Nas record. First of all, once you get to a certain— Listen. Sing your favorite Nas record. Jim. I bet you know your favorite Jay-Z record. I bet you can say your favorite— What? Jim, we fly high. We fly high. Okay, you done flew high. You came back down now. Sing your favorite Nas record, bro, since you gone crazy for him.

57:44Whoa, whoa, whoa. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. So you are capping. You are capping. That's what you're doing. You are capping. I'm a bigger Nas fan than you are. You are capping.

57:59Shannon Sharpe:First of all, first of all, I'm 57. I don't be singing no rap. I don't be singing no rap. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? He don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the views to get Jim Jones on there to get him hot. I understand. But you don't know Nas. You don't know Nas. You better check the podcast space. Now you better check. Sing 16. Hey, this is the biggest podcast you ever been on. Name one Nas record. This is the biggest podcast you ever been on. Do you know the podcast you've been on bigger than this one? Hold on, hold on. We on topic. I'm not a podcaster. No, hold on. This is what I do.

58:32Shannon Sharpe:Name the podcast you've been on bigger than this one. When you get big, you get invited to club Shay Shay. This is what I do. Nas get invited to club Shay Shay. Jadikis get invited to club Shay Shay. You're not on that level yet, bro. T-shirt. It's a little young white girl. Chill out. Chill out. We off topic. Chill out. We off topic. You're dealing with the wrong one, bro. Right here, bro. I don't care nothing about nothing that shit you got to say, bro. You might as well take me off this shit, bro. Hey, we here. You can't outtalk me. Leave me alone, bro. You might get outwrap me, but you can't outtalk me.

59:06Don't nobody want to go to the club, Shay Shay. Nobody want to buy no VIP tickets to that shit. Nobody rushing to go to that shit. You ain't got nothing with the club Shay Shay. You do got to do a podcast. You do got to do a podcast. You do got to do a podcast. The podcast is tremendous. You and Ocho do your thing. Don't get it twisted, bro. I don't care nothing about no fucking podcast, bro. We supposed to be talking about music and love and embracing one another and culture

59:32Shannon Sharpe:and having fun - Nah, we ain't gonna let them come out here and disrespect Nas and Jada. Now they gonna happen on here. Nah. Where were we? Why you keep putting Jada into this? Why you keep putting Jada into this? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you, bro? You type of nigga that get caught like, nah, come out. They caught us all. Like, why you keep trying to put Jada into this, bro? Nah, I get it, bro. It's all good. It's all love, bro. All right, you got about this here. Tell us about the movie you got coming out. The next movie? What you said? Yeah, you got a movie coming out, right?

1:00:02Yeah, coming out at the church steps. A lovely movie. I got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of influences that we all know. So I'm excited to put that movie out. It comes out later on this summer. It's added on to my album. Got a bunch of dope actors in there too, so I'm looking forward to that.

1:00:20Shannon Sharpe:So are you most proud of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got coming out? Or they're equal? I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately. Okay. See, you must think my life revolves around music Well, my life is music is probably the smallest fraction of my life, even though it fuels a lot of the things that comes to my life because of music. But I'm a great businessman all around the board. You know what I mean? So you got to learn a lot more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I'm one of the few people that do give back. Shirts off my backs and things like that.

1:00:53All the rhetoric about the rap and back and forth is cool and shit like that. But deep down inside, I'm a way iller man than what we over here growing off about and things like that. Like, my biggest attribute is my giving back. You heard it? I'm going to always do that, no matter what. I want people to get it misconstrued. I love to give back. That's what my whole mission is about. And the more I go viral, the more I'm on your Explorer page, the more opportunities come to me, the more I can give back. All this comes down to a dollar is what people don't understand. It's algorithm. It's a game that I had to learn and understand because I was a – previously, I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the internet or so many ways that people are talking about me.

1:01:34I had to learn how to reverse it and use these things as fuel for me to keep going and things like that. And that's just what I've been doing. I got to a point where I got good at it. So I know how to use it in my favor and it's a beautiful thing. It could go against you. It could go for you. But one thing, if you're a smart person, it's going to work, it's going to work in your favor. You know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn it into a dollar. And anytime that I'm seeing her, they're going to go want to, want to know about me. Extra stream is an extra dollar. I don't care about what nobody said.

1:01:59I mean, lines in all facets.

1:02:01Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? That's what I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask, was it always a part of your, like, if you ever made it, that you were going to give back? Because, like you said, you do. You do give back to the younger generation. You do give back to your community. When did that thought process, how did that come about? Jim Jones, like, you know what? If I get to a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm able to give back, that's what I'm going to do. We're from an older era. a Godfair era. So, you know, I watched my family open their houses, strangers sometimes and things like that.

1:02:34They was always a given. And not to mention when I'm coming outside and watching the hustlers doing for the community, the ones that were successful, the ones that always gave back, bus rides, sneakers, haircuts, all of that. So I just chose to carry on tradition and me being a position of success in my life only helped me to do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up.

1:02:53Shannon Sharpe:That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm going to pull up in Harlem. Come on. I'm waiting for you, man. I love you. I'm waiting for you. I love you, baby. Hey, Jimmy. Hey, Unk. If you pull up in Harlem, we got to go to Ricardos. No, we got to go to Ricardos. Hey, Shannon. Hey, Shannon. You know why I love you? I love people that I can go back and forth with and people don't take no offense to it. You heard? That's what's up. A lot of people look at this and might take offense to it, but we black men. They are. They are. But we don't care. We had a great time. And we know who we are. You dig?

1:03:28Yeah, for sure. You dig? We can never let no electronics get in between the realism. We know it's at stake here and we know what we're doing. You dig? And I appreciate you for that. Because a lot of people would have took everything to offense and like, you dig? Bigfoot. But we are who we are, man. I appreciate this opportunity, man. Y 'all do have a great show. I cannot take that from you. You want to pull up a Harlem? I appreciate you coming on. Come on, OJ. Come on, bring him to Harlem. Let's work out. Let's go work out. I'm going to bring him. And then go to Ricardo's. Hey, he not as strong as he say, though.

1:03:57He not as strong as he's - There you go. He's just been talking, you know? Yeah.

1:04:03Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You see? Oh, man, this was the next one. Nah, but hey, hey, Jim, real talk, though, man. I appreciate you coming on. Ocho and I really appreciate it. We appreciate the time. And I've never, you know, hey, we have a great time going back and forth, talking about Nas and Jade and you. But, bro, you stand the test of time. You do what you do. You great at what you do. And I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule tonight to come on with Ocho and I and talk about all things. So I had a great time. I don't know about Ocho, but I had a great time. Hey, listen. I had a great time. Hey, listen.

1:04:32This was iconic tonight. This was iconic. Anytime you got – this is the funny thing about it is people not going to understand what y 'all do. It's going to be trendy, Jim. We're going to be a starry in the morning. People not going to understand that. This is what we do. No, this is what we do. This is the culture. This is how we act. This is how we act when we get together. Like, people got to understand it. Yeah. I love y 'all, though, man. I appreciate it. Hey, this wasn't nothing but a Spades game without a cause. That's all. 100%. Our whole attitude is spades all day.

1:05:01Shannon Sharpe:All the time. All the time, bro. I love y 'all, man. The thing was, if I was in Harlem, he'd say, okay, let's go find a gym right now. We'll find out what we bought. 100%. 100%. 100%, man. We stand on that. Hey, but gym, hey, man, best of luck on the album. Best of luck on the movie, man. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back by, man. I will. I appreciate that, bro. All love. Thank you, man. All right.

1:05:32Hey, that was awesome. That was awesome. Hey, Ocho, now you know, hey, everybody gonna say,

1:05:40Shannon Sharpe:man, Jim Jones and Shadow Shop was going, hey. No, no, they don't understand it. And anybody that say that, they don't play spades. They don't play spades. But, Ocho, it's been a while since I've been able to get that out. Ocho, I've been sitting on there for two months now. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

1:05:58I was just waiting on the right time, Ocho.

1:06:04Shannon Sharpe:Just waiting on the right time.

1:06:10Shannon Sharpe:Our very, very special guest is joining us. Cleveland Browns rookie sensation running back, Quinshawn Judkins, joins us. Q, what's going on, bro?

1:06:24Shannon Sharpe:What's up? What's up? What's up? How you doing? Nah, he good. He good now. What's up, man? You been housing that thing this week. Well, you been housing it since you got back. But you was really housing that thing. Hey, house call. For sure. I'm out. I had to. Yeah. How you feeling? How's your experience so far in the NFL been? Has it been everything you expected it to be as opposed to, you know, the transition from college to the world? Oh, yeah, most definitely. I feel like it's been more so surreal, not only for myself, but for my family to get to experience everything, you know, get to meet a lot of the players.

1:06:59And that whole nine yards, man, just getting to finally touchdown, you know, going through so much, a slow start to the beginning of the season, and shoot, just everything taking off when I landed. Man, that's what's up.

1:07:11Shannon Sharpe:You're from Ohio, right? No, I'm from Alabama. I'm from Montgomery. Oh, you're from Alabama? Oh, man, how did you get out of – how did you get Wade, Ohio State, from Bama? NIL. Oh.

1:07:26Shannon Sharpe:that's the way to keep it seriously oh man I think for myself just in college man I ended up going to Ole Miss for two years I played there in the SEC had a lot of success and then my last year of college for my junior year I was like man I want to go somewhere I can compete for a national championship so I end up at Ohio State I felt like that was a great situation Coach Day was a great tight program, a lot of talented players there. So, you know, I was like, you know, it's no better place to go than Ohio State. So I end up there. Hey, Q, tell me something. You SEC freshman of the year, right?

1:08:04I was like nominee for it or something like that. But, yeah, I think I was freshman of the year. I can't even remember.

1:08:13Shannon Sharpe:So you left the SEC to go to Ohio State, huh? Yep, yep. Hey, that bag different, ain't it, man? For me, it wasn't about that, though. So, you know, like for many different people, like in the game, it's about money, the car. For me, it was like an end of day, bro. I'm a competitor. I'm trying to go out and, you know, kill it. Like I'm trying to go out and, you know, win games as much as possible. Because at Ole Miss, I was putting up 1 ,500 yards. I'm getting 15 touchdowns a year. So I'm like, man, you know, I'm doing all that, but that's not what fulfills me. That don't make me happy. So that wasn't what I was chasing.

1:08:48You wanted that title. Hey Q, Q, Q. Hey, don't give me that politically. For real though. Not for real. Q, come on. Hey, this your boy. Come on. Don't leave me like that. For real. Hey, okay, okay, okay. I'm going to let you have it. Hey, one thing. I want to talk about the Cleveland Browns. And I want to, from the outside looking, I don't think you quite understand. Obviously you in position, but me on the outside looking in, because there's been controversy at the quarterback position, do you understand that you are the bell cow, that you are the offense, that offense goes as you go? Most of the times it's a star player, a star quarterback, or a star receiver, but you are the nucleus of that offense, and as you go, the rest of the team goes.

1:09:39Do you quite understand that just yet? I think just because it's so early on in my career, I quite don't get it yet, But at the same time, I understand, like, the situation, like, in Coach Stefanski's offense. If you go back to Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt and different guys playing in this offense, it's always been able to lean on the run game. And I think that's what's very beneficial about playing in this offense. So I think, you know, just in my mindset, man, like, my mentality, regardless of who we playing that week, what plays we're installing just had a staying determination, bro, to just go out there and, like, just leave it all out on the field.

1:10:21But knowing the particular, like, situation, like, yeah, for sure, knowing that this is a run-first offense, I'm all right.

1:10:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you in the West Coast system. In the West Coast system, that zone ring, you put your foot in the dirt and you get downhill. And then everything comes off of that, because now we're going to boot, we're going to play action. Because, look, I played this offense now a lot of it's maybe changed the wording of the herbage has changed but you go back and look at the broncos offense with td and clinton portis and mike anderson and uh ruben drones and you look at the way the team run this offense when you got a running back when you got a guy christian mcafree in san francisco kyrin williams with the rams you look at uh josh jacobs with the other packers when you look when that when the run game is efficient this offense is almost impossible Almost, almost, literally, because I feel like that's when we're at our best.

1:11:14When we're clicking in the run game, like, I feel like as a team, man, we're unstoppable, and that's where we continue to get better at and consistently try to go out there on Sundays and put it all together because I feel like, like you said, man, that run game is what really helps us.

1:11:33Shannon Sharpe:What were your expectations? What was your goals when you came in? You were dealing with what you were dealing with in the offseason? season I think you got uninvited to the uh to the draft but you was going through what you was going through you was like okay this is going to be behind me and I'm going to have to put what I what's what's this is I got to put that behind and I got to go somewhere and I got to perform at an elite level I got to play like I know I can play what was your expectations for your uh uh your rookie season I think for myself it was more so a testament to you know what I'm doing when nobody was looking because when I wasn't in the building you know like I didn't have a strength staff I didn't have a coach to talk to to go over plays I didn't have every resource that I had while I'm here in Cleveland now so it was like the amount of dedication that it took for me to give everything I had and try to perfect my craft when I wasn't around and then come back like it was nothing and try to get on that same page with no training camp, no football for, what, three months.

1:12:44So not having those things and just training, making sure I'm mentally sharp. So when I get that call and I go back, I'm ready. I think that was my things that I really hearted the most. Also, other than like physical activity was really just making sure, you know, Like, I'm mentally sharp just because you go through so much, man. And a lot of people don't understand. They'll never know what it's like, you know, especially being an athlete and the thing that we deal with. But, yeah, bro, just really just making sure I'm mentally there all the way sharp 100%.

1:13:20Shannon Sharpe:I love that what you said, what you were doing when no one was watching. Because discipline is doing what you should do versus what you want to do. Yes, sir. I'm sure you wanted to, hey, the boys kicking it. They do what they pay. Hey, let me go over here. Let me kick it. But the discipline. Stay true because I got bigger issue. You're the first Browns player with three rushing touchdowns in the game since Nick Chubb did it September 18th, 2022. You had 84 yards rushing, three touchdowns, and you're rookie of the week nominee. When you see things like you're doing things that hadn't been done by a Browns player in three years, you're being nominated for rookie of the year.

1:13:58Shannon Sharpe:Look, we all want validation. We put that kind of time in. We put that kind of work in in the offseason. And to see you plant a tree, you want it to bear fruit. Yeah. You're bearing fruit. Yes. How pleasing, how gratifying, how satisfying is it for like, okay, everything that I did in the offseason, everything that I went through, this is more gratifying. It makes it even more like I know I was doing the right thing. For me, it more so like I'm one of those people where it's like, man, I'm just trying to chalkboard. I'm just trying to chalkboard. You know, what I'm doing is, that's cool. But at the same time, like, you know, I got bigger goals.

1:14:36I know how I view myself as a competitor, how good I want to be. So I don't really think about it. But at the same time, when I look up and knowing what I've been through, knowing, like, how I persevered, knowing what, like, different challenges I've faced. And then you see the light at the end of the tunnel. It motivates me personally to, like, you know, keep going and strive to be better. So I think just that motivation you get from it and the hunger.

1:15:03Shannon Sharpe:Hey, Q, man, as a rookie in the NFL, bro, living the American dream. Tell me what it's like, because when I look back, when I was a rookie playing in the NBA, bro, I couldn't sleep, man. I couldn't sleep. I was so geeked for the moment because I'm coming. Because when I came in the NBA in 01, it's when Jordan came back, You know, T-Mac, Cole, Vince Carter, all them dudes who was, you know, they was at the apex. So I couldn't sleep nights before games because I was so geeked up for the moment. Man, I'm not playing. So what is it like as a rookie living the American dream? You've probably been, you know, wishing for this moment since you was a kid.

1:15:42Shannon Sharpe:And now that you're actually in it, what is it like? Oh, man, I think for me, man, like just finally being here, this is something you think about your whole life. Like you worked your whole life for this. Like you worked since you was this big, like to get to this to this moment. So it's like you finally here. But what I realized was it's like, OK, it's not how fast you can get here is how long you can stay. So so my thing is, you know, doing everything in my power to, you know, be able to go out there and do this, have the same amount of success, not only for this year but for a long time and keep that same discipline.

1:16:23So that's one thing I did learn. I would say it's that, you know, just having so many good vets too. You got a lot of good vets in the locker room. And you meet a lot of good players around the league too. You develop a lot of relationships. I think in college it's more so very compared to NFL. I would say it's kind of individualized just because guys aren't in locker rooms as long as they are at different organizations in the league. so I think in the league man you always have people that you can lean on get advice from because like coming into this you know a lot of stuff moves super fast so having somebody that you can ask different questions to so you're not just hit by the blind for real for real right hey how's the body holding up good I feel I feel good you know I used to get I got a lot of carries when I was at Ole Miss I used to get a lot of carries and then last year at Ohio State I think I had like maybe 300, 255.

1:17:15So I was used to being the bail cop guy, you know. So I feel good, though.

1:17:20Shannon Sharpe:Okay. How is the quarterback? Look, he started out, you know, Gabriel gets drafted and Shadour comes in and we know what Shadour, we know what that last name brings. You got Joe Flacco, you got Pickett, and they, okay, we're going to move on. We go in this direction. And now has that, the quarterback, the situation with Gabriel and Chador, is he going to get reps? Is he going to start? Is he going to play? Has that impacted the locker room in any way? No. I think with our team, we're all so close, and we got so many young guys, man. It's like in our locker room, we genuinely, it's almost like you're in college again.

1:17:57It feels like for real, for real, like, damn, like locker room full of young guys, but man, it's just like the energy there, regardless of who playing, those two guys, they always support each other, man. Like, it was a clip I seen on the internet the other day and it was like them walking down the sideline and just talking laughing about I think we had just scored a touchdown or something but that's who they genuinely are that's who they truly are they are competitive but at the same time they want what's best for each other and I don't think it's ever been turmoil or any any words said by anybody on our team like about who's our quarterback we all 100 support Dylan I even played him when I was at Ohio State twice.

1:18:37I played him at Oregon once and then I played him again in Pasadena, California at the Rose Bowl. So I got to see him and how he is as a quarterback. He's super talented, bro. He's like super smart. He processes really fast and he's a great player. So I'm excited to see how he developed in his career.

1:18:56Shannon Sharpe:That's amazing. Man, Q, thanks for stopping by. Thanks for giving us some time. Congratulations on your early success. Continued success. Stay healthy and And, you know, when it's all said and done, at the end of the year, you go over 1 ,000 yards, come back and tell us how you did. Yes, sir. Appreciate y 'all. Appreciate you, man. All right. Have a good one. Later. Yo. Thank you. Hey, tell Denzel Ward he can't stop you. Hey, look. I be telling him at practice. He be getting mad. I be like, bro, I bend that corner on your ass, boy. I'm 220. I still do it. You hear me? Yeah. I'm like that. I'm going to hit him, though.

1:19:30I'm going to let him know. All right. Appreciate that, man.

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