Best NFL Interviews Radio Row Part 2: Stephen A. Smith, Bo Jackson, Trey McBride, More!

13:26Emmitt Smith:What? He said that you in person?

13:29Trey McBride:And then he said this, Auburn hasn't beat Alabama since 1972, and they never lose. So he said, well, I'm going to let you finish doing your Washington uniform because I know you got a game tomorrow. Vincent, it was nice talking to you. So I'm thinking, and I'm shaking his hand, and I'm smiling, but I'm saying like, motherfucker, if you think I'm going to sit on your bench for 10 years, you got your... So by him saying, and they never will, I made sure. My freshman year. Was that ball over the top? I racked up 256 on it. As a freshman? My freshman year. As a freshman. Was that the ball over the top?

14:14Trey McBride:And that long run down the sideline.

14:15Shannon Sharpe:Because that was fourth and gold. They ask you, they say, what you want? They say, Coach, give me that play over the top.

14:23Trey McBride:No, we actually practiced. We actually practiced that play where we were doing it doing doing the three on three. Yeah And the defense with 10 is up We can score so I went over said Randy Campbell was what I caught back and I Call him worm worm because he wasn't what about Even with his pants on random about bucket with all the pants on. And he said, I said, look, man, I was a seven-foot high jumper in high school, which I was. I said, let's run a play for our goal. We ran that play three times straight. I scored all three times. So, Coach Dodson said, why don't we put that play in? Okay. And we put that play in, and he called it over the top.

15:17Trey McBride:And I scored. Wow.

15:19Shannon Sharpe:Tell him, you got a podcast. You just started a podcast, right?

15:22Trey McBride:I'm starting my podcast. But Bo knows men's health. Okay. So all of that stuff we just talked about. Okay. It's about getting we as men to open up about personal medical issues. Because we hold stuff in too long. We don't talk about it because we think that it denigrates us as a man. Yep. The more you talk about it, the stronger it makes you. So I think it's one of my jobs. Like I said earlier, I don't think I was put on this earth to be a great football player or a great baseball player. I was put on this earth to help put some sunshine in somebody's cloud. And by talking about this where nobody else do, where nobody else want, I figure that I'm giving something back to the public.

16:09Trey McBride:Because the public has given me enough to where I can, for the next 10 lifetimes. But I want to give something back. Back. And that's knowledge about men's health. Don't sit up and keep this to yourself. And the thing that I want to do, let's say I come to your city. Call you. You get all your doctors, your cardiologists, your urologists, your proctologists. Get everybody. Bring them to the five-side chat. Put them on stage with you and I. Now, what we're going to do is advertise it enough where all the local men in your town are going to want to come. We're going to charge them five to five, five to ten bucks to come for a one-hour fireside check.

16:59Trey McBride:Now, those funds aren't going to go to me, they're not going to go there. But the funds will go in a fund to help that guy who don't have good insurance like you and I. Right. to help pay for the PSA, to help pay for the colonoscopy. And what the doctor's going to do, because we are putting them on blast and talking about their company and their clinics, they got to give that patient a discount. Because we are bringing you more patients. And if they had to pay for that market, it would cost them a half a million to a million and two dollars. So we're giving them that for free to let them come there and talk.

17:38Trey McBride:So it's all about giving back with me. And if I figured I could put some sunshine in one somebody's cloud, I feel that I've done my job. So it's not about Bo Jackson and what he's done in sports. It's about what I'm doing now. Right. And for years, since I left sports, I've been in the shadows. Yeah. I done raised three kids. They're all grown, married, got a good job. Still trying to get them off the payroll. Good luck with that. Good luck with that. Still trying to get them off the payroll. But I'm happy. I got two grandboys. I spoiled the shit out of them, man.

18:21Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. The kids tell you, say, Daddy, you treat them better and give them more than you gave us. Because I love them more.

18:31Trey McBride:I love them more. You was my child. These are my grandkids. See, I can bring them over, jack them up on Skittles and Coke, and send them home doing easy. That's what I do. Buy them whatever they want. My oldest son, who's four years old, he'll get my phone or his non-announced phone. But he said, Nana, what's the code? Put the code in and open it. Go to the Target app. That's him right there. They'll go to the Target app. And he'll find something. let's say he'll look at a car. There's that pop-up. I don't have this one. Which means you gotta buy me this one. I don't have this one. So you gotta get it from me.

19:17Trey McBride:That's what it's all about.

19:19Shannon Sharpe:Man, I'm happy. The bike ride. You used to do a bike ride across Alabama.

19:27Trey McBride:BoBikesBama in this past summer was my last ride. Been doing it since 2012.

19:33Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

19:33Trey McBride:And I just raise money for Tornado Bigsburg. But I want to do something different to help support minority charities. Okay. And I haven't come out public with that yet. That's in the state of Alabama. Okay. That's my home state. But in Chicago, I have a Bo Jackson's Give Me a Chance Foundation. Right. And we raise money for youth golf and for half of the foundation. The other half we donate to the Shirley Ryan Ability Lab, which is the number one rehab hospital in the world for the past 35, 36 years. And we give funds to their challenge patient division. So it's all about giving back for me, dude.

20:23Trey McBride:That's what it is. It's all about giving back. Bo, you said your grandkids.

20:27Shannon Sharpe:Your grandkids are not going to play football. They're going to play baseball.

20:30Trey McBride:Baseball. That four-year-old, because I take him to Sox Park with me, Aaron. He'll get out and I see this little rubber balls, get his splashing back, and this joker hitting balls to second base, and he's four years old. At four already? He can stroke. He can stroke. Guess who the three most famous baseball players in the world? Guess what he said. But he's an Aaron Judge, Papa, and me.

21:05Trey McBride:And I love it. Yeah. I love it, man. I'm blessed to the point to where everybody in my family is happy.

21:13Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

21:14Trey McBride:My grandkids are happy. I'm happy. My friends are happy. And I'm going to do everything I can to keep those people that's in my little, little circle close to me, make sure they're all right, and they'll make sure that I'm all right.

21:30Shannon Sharpe:How often do you get to the park? How often do you get to football games? Do you go to sporting events? Were you a big – I know you were great at sports, but did you enjoy sports? I love sports. So you get to the park, you get to the games much anymore?

21:45Trey McBride:No. And it's for this reason. What's that? People always ask, Boy, you like you could play football right now. I said, man, I pull a muscle lifting the toilet seat. I ain't playing no sport. Come on. Be good. I said, I'll golf. And now I can't golf because I got a bicep tear. And...

22:10Shannon Sharpe:You gonna get it fixed?

22:11Trey McBride:You gonna get it fixed? But I think it's strained, but I don't think it's because I had the MRI. This is just part of getting old. Yeah. Shit don't heal like they used to. No. Yeah, it don't.

22:20Shannon Sharpe:And you go to bed and feel fine and wake up and something hurt. the next morning.

22:23Trey McBride:It feel like you got run on the Bible. What the hell did I do? But I'm thinking that my wife done beat me in my sleep. But yes, it's like that now. And we got to take care of that stuff. We do. Don't ignore stuff. Now, if we wasn't on this mic, we wouldn't be talking as cordial and polite. But don't it. You know how brothers talk. They ain't going to say stuff. We ain't going to say stuff. Don't ignore it, dude. don't think it's going to go away because you don't know about it. Right. Get to your – because, number one, your doctor's not going to lie to you. Right. You either accept the truth and do something about it and move on down the road.

23:09Trey McBride:That's your only option. That's it. Unless you ain't going to be here long. Because look at how many guys that we played against. With. Played against, played with.

23:19Shannon Sharpe:From high school to now. Yep. That's not with us. Yep. I lost three former college teammates within a span of like three months. Yes. So tell us one more time about the podcast that you're launching. It's Black Men. No, it's called Bo Knows Men's Health. Bo Knows Men's Health. Bo Knows Men's Health. Check out his podcast, Bo Knows Men's Health. You're talking to the greatest. This was the greatest athlete of our time. I mean, the last hundred years. There might have been others before a hundred years ago, but if you're talking about the last hundred years, this man and I got an opportunity to see him play up close and personal with that Raiders team when he came to Denver and he ran over our linebacker in 1990.

23:58Shannon Sharpe:You remember that at mile high?

23:59Trey McBride:Well, I was hot as a jalapeno, wasn't I? But you know something? Right after I got off the field from that run, I went and got that oxygen for it.

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26:48Shannon Sharpe:That out of the tube. That out of the tube. Absolutely. Bo Jackson, Bo, thanks for stopping by, man. Appreciate you, man. Good to see you. Joining us now, offensive tackle, former Pro Bowler. OB. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Orlando Brown Jr.

26:59Trey McBride:Oh, how you doing, bro? I'm doing good. I'm good. Good to see y 'all, man. How's everything, baby? It's been great. Oh, yeah.

27:03Emmitt Smith:So far, this offseason, I mean, what have you been up to so far?

27:06Trey McBride:Yeah, I've just been in the facility, man. You know, I don't leave Cincinnati. No. That's where I train. Is that home now? Yeah, that's home. I train there year-round. I love Cincy, man. It's a special place. And for me, so much of the sport is about staying in it. And I would go down to Miami and train, and don't get me wrong, I'd get in shape. But it was the mental aspect I felt like I would have to build back up when I came back. And so training hard in the facility, day-to-day, keeping that same work routine year-round, it just keeps me in that state of mind, man. You know what I mean?

27:35Emmitt Smith:That's so much. I like your approach. I love your approach. But most of the time, I think about when I was playing is after a rigorous six months. Rigorous six months. Putting the time on and off the field when it came to the game and studying the game, becoming a student of it, being somewhat of a sponge. Once the season ended, I needed to completely disconnect. I needed to recharge. I needed to reset. So your approach, I like it. I like it. But do you think you'll look back and say, well, damn, I never. Bingo.

28:05Trey McBride:Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, early in my career, I would show up to training camp out of shape. I would take my time off. I would be heavy, you know, showing up my first four or five years in the league. And, you know, I would take that time off. I would take that six weeks or, you know, from whenever the season ended until. No, you can't take six weeks. I can't do that. I'm going to put on 50 pounds. You know what I mean? Okay, I get it. So, you know, for me, as a big guy, like, I got to stay in it. I keep my routine. Okay, I like it. I like it.

28:36Shannon Sharpe:Man, what you guys got to do, you look at your guys, you got T, you got Chase. Brown, the running back, came on and played unbelievable. You got a solid tight end in Gasicki. Offensive line was good. Probably could get a little better. But what do you guys need to do? Oh, there's two years in a row with the talent that you got. You got a top five quarterback. You got a top one, top two receiver. You got T on the other side. Your running game is solid. What do you guys need to do to get into the postseason and make a deep run like you did in 2020?

29:08Trey McBride:Yeah, well, you know, man, we got the hardest piece of the puzzle in nine. You know what I mean? Yes. And a lot of teams don't have that. We're fortunate to already have the hardest piece of the puzzle. But to me, man, it just comes down to executing. You know what I'm saying? I feel like in terms of our overall continuity as a team, it hasn't necessarily been there when we needed it. And so whether that be us winning games in November and December, you know what I mean? It just it comes down to all of those different things, man. And to me, it points to the players in the locker room. You know, what are you willing to sacrifice, you know, to make sure that we able to go out here and win these games?

29:42Emmitt Smith:If you were the GM, if you were Mike Brown, I want you to take you're not Orlando Brown, the offensive tackle. You are the owner and the play caller, the one that can push the buttons on what we need to do to get over the hump. Whether it's offensively, whether it's defensively, what pieces would you love to add to the team to help you guys out? Whether it's on offense, whether it's on defense, whether it's special teams, just in general.

30:06Trey McBride:Yeah, no, I mean, it's always tough answering these kind of questions. You know, my brother's in there, man. Yeah, I understand.

30:11Emmitt Smith:I put every player on the spot as if they weren't said player. How can we improve our team?

30:17Trey McBride:Well, I think the reality is in this league, you look at the two teams in the Super Bowl. Right. It's one of the trenches. And so to me, you know, I think it's going to start there. However, however that is, whoever that is, you know, having a playmaker, I believe, at one of those four positions is going to be extremely important, especially in our division. And from there, man, I think, you know, that would take care of a lot of issues. You know, if you're asking me if I want a safety or over a D lineman, not at all. You know, I think I think just taking care of the trenches, man, adding more weapons in that area.

30:51Trey McBride:You can never have enough D lineman. I remember when I was in Kansas City, we played Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl. I think they broke the single-season sack record. And, I mean, they had a wave, three waves, two or three waves. I'm seeing BG, Robert Quinn, Josh Webb. You know what I mean? They got a wave of rushers. And so, to me, that's what it takes in this league to be able to win.

31:14Emmitt Smith:More depth. I like it.

31:15Trey McBride:I like it. You got, I mean, when you look at you, you play a premium position in left,

31:22Shannon Sharpe:and left tackle. How many more years you want to play, OB? I'm going to play until I'm 40. Ten. How old are you now?

31:27Trey McBride:I turned 30 in May. That's another ten years.

31:30Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, man. I mean, what year is this for you? Eight? I'm going into nine. Nine. Oh, yeah, yeah. You might as well go on and get 20 then. You might as well do like a, what's the guy? Slater. Jackie Slater.

31:41Trey McBride:I would love to. I mean, honestly, I want to play this game as long as I can. I really love, I love this game and I grew up in it as you know. You know what I mean? I grew up around Tony Jones and my dad and Jonathan Ogden and, you know, so many of these great players that Ray Lewis, man, just to be able to see, have that perspective at eight years old when those men come over and they sit down and talk with my dad because he's the OG on the team. Yeah. And be able to listen to those conversations and hear what they gave to the game. Man, it's so special. It's so special to me. And so, man, I love what I do.

32:11Trey McBride:You know what I'm saying? And I love what the game has done for me. Man, I hate to say it, you know, I love my life outside of ball too. But, man, I'm going to give him my all. I'm going to give him my all. And hopefully we look back when I'm 40 years old, we walk away, and I got a gold jacket. Hey, I like it. I like it. I like it. Yes, sir. Have a good one.

32:28Shannon Sharpe:Orlando Brown Jr., thanks for joining us, bro. Of course. Appreciate y 'all. Yep. My 1990 draft mate. Legend.

32:36Emmitt Smith:Gator legend. Cowboy legend.

32:37Shannon Sharpe:You like stuff for free.

32:38Emmitt Smith:Well, I love gifts. What's up, boy? I love gifts, Em.

32:41Shannon Sharpe:Long time, no fee. What's up with the beard, baby? I can't. Hey, 90, we got to do it. I still got a little black in mind, though. You ain't got no black people.

32:52Emmitt Smith:Emmitt, Emmitt, Emmitt, Emmitt, you're a silver fox, huh? You're a silver fox? I am what I am. Yeah, I like you. But what we got here, boy, you know I love free gifts.

33:01Shannon Sharpe:Let me introduce him. All-time leading in Russian NFL history, a former MVP, Super Bowl MVP, first ballot Hall of Famer, here he is, 1990 classmate. We go way back. We ain't going to mention. SL. SL. Black College Beach Week. This is my dog, Evin Smith. So as Ocho said, what do we got here?

33:24Bo Jackson:Well, what you got in your hand right now is a Tableau device that connects. It's an antenna that connects to your television network, and it streams live stuff throughout the entire house. As far as every room that has a TV in it can connect through it. You get over 125 channels. and not to mention you can watch, pause, record, live television stuff, news, local news, live sports and popular shows. You can do all those kind of things just as if you would paying a subscription for something. Instead of paying all these different subscriptions, you can do a lot right there on Tableau.

34:02Shannon Sharpe:Them people ain't going to come to my house, though, are they? No, you can set it up on your own. No, I'm just talking about it because we get all this stuff that we ain't paying for. What people are you talking about? Do people today say hey you ain't paying for gaming. You say them people. Who them people? Do people that when you ain't paying for ish? Ish? When you ain't paying for nothing they gonna come here? They gave that to you. Okay. These people gave it to you. I don't know who them people are you talking about. I would say Emmie gave me this. So if y 'all got some problem y 'all gonna take it away.

34:31Bo Jackson:Now if you want to write, you know, you want to pay taxes on it then that's on you. But that's a gift. That's under a thousand dollars, under ten thousand. So it should be good.

34:38Emmitt Smith:Oh yeah, I'm gonna use this. I'm definitely gonna use this. You pay one subscription, right?

34:42Bo Jackson:No, you just pay one time.

34:43Emmitt Smith:One time, you get all this stuff.

34:45Bo Jackson:Yeah, you don't have to pay the monthly stuff. This is a McDonald's guy.

34:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I know. This is a guy that used to wear fake stuff.

34:52Bo Jackson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Used to. Not no more. I said used to. I did say used to. I did say used to. Yes, sir. What's been good? What's going on? Not much, man. Everything's good. I can't complain. Still in Dallas. Still in Dallas. Still in Dallas. Still in Dallas. Yep, still doing that. Kids still growing up. My son EJ is getting prepared for his pro day at A &M. That's dope. And so giving him, sending love his way and wanting to see if he can fulfill his dreams as well. So you know how that is. Yeah.

35:22Emmitt Smith:I got an important question too. Go ahead. I got a very important question because we're dealing with someone here, the greatest star, the greatest player to wear that star on his helmet. So I've always had a dialogue with Cowboys fans. They've gotten on me. They've gotten on you for what? Because I'm thinking about George Pickens and how valuable he is and what he was able to show in a small sample size and how great he can be in the right situation. It's time for him to get paid. I would like to know your thoughts and me, my thoughts before you go, is him going to a team where he can maximize his true value.

35:58Emmitt Smith:What do you think?

35:59Bo Jackson:King is getting paid. I would say George Pickens is at the right place. He is in the right place. he has a place where he can flourish. He has a place right alongside CD Land. Yes. Because I think you have to have a Batman and a Robin together. Irvin had Harper. Rice had John Taylor. Yes. And even when you go back to... Swan and Star Wars. Swan and Star Wars. Yes, yes. So you have to have that kind of scenario. And I think what you saw was a glimpse of how good he can really become in a system that supports that type of environment. Yes. And so my hope is that Jerry and George get this contractual stuff behind them so we don't have to be dealing with all these questions during this time of season.

36:56the Dallas Cowboys deserve and the fans deserve a very quiet, boring offseason.

37:05Emmitt Smith:When has that ever happened? That's why they deserve one.

37:10Shannon Sharpe:That's why they deserve one.

37:12Emmitt Smith:Yeah, I like it. I like it. And I love the examples of the duos that you just said. But when I think about George Pickens and CeeDee Lamb, those are two number ones. So based on what George Pickens has done and what George Pickens has showed you, whatever contract, the one that he deserves, it has to overlap that of CeeDee Lamb's.

37:31Bo Jackson:Maybe, maybe not. First and foremost, we don't know if he is the number one. A number one, don't quit. A number one, goes through and don't pout when he doesn't get the ball. A number one, understand that defenses could be doubling up on one, and you don't get not a throw. A number one says, okay, I'm going to draw double coverage. You better tear that one-on-one up by yourself. Yes, sir. A number one says, hey, how can we run the ball? I mean, we're trying to throw the ball against double coverage over here, and I got guys all over me. Yes, sir. And I got a defense. I'm playing the defensive back.

38:07Bo Jackson:You didn't hire me to play DB. So a number one says, run the daggone ball when it's six in the box or seven in the box. What did Michael tell you in cover two? What did he tell you? But Michael says, throw it to me anyway. I'm going to go get it. and Mike went and got it. But Mike went and got it. In cover two, you got to run him up out of it. But Mike ran and got it, though. Mike was never afraid of going in there against two guys or three guys. Mike tell you right now, you throw that slant, my folks back in Miami going to eat because I'm going to catch that slant. I may get knocked out, but I'm going to catch that slant.

38:42Bo Jackson:I'm going to go on the ground like this. Catch. And they're going to be moving the chains. And so that's the mentality that George needs to develop. You said a key word. He has to get in that system that affords him the opportunity to showcase his number one. Harper thought he was the number one until he went to Tampa. A system also gives you the ability to shine at your best.

39:07Emmitt Smith:The right system. The wrong system will hold you back. But this is the funny thing about it is, is George Pickens has the skill set. me knowing receivers is he has the skill set to go anywhere and be able to show what he can do. I doubt that. I'm telling you because we saw him do it in Pittsburgh. Bro. In Spurs. And they didn't even have a quarterback. Bro. You put George system in Oakland.

39:33Bo Jackson:You put George Pickens in Oakland? Put him in Oakland. With Mendoza coming?

39:36Emmitt Smith:No, no, no. No. You put him in Vegas. Yeah. Right now. Oh, right now? Right now. Get in the ball. Put it in his hands. No. Put him in position to make the plays.

39:45Shannon Sharpe:You've got to have somebody that can get in the ball. You've got to have somebody that can get in the ball.

39:48Bo Jackson:So all I'm saying is the way he flourishes at is when he's got somebody that can get in the ball and there's a concerted effort. Whether you double him or double Seedy, one of them is going to be one-on-one. And I better destroy somebody that's one-on-one. If I'm not destroying somebody one-on-one, that means the tight end is free, too. He's one-on-one. Right. And so I'm going to run him out of that. They're going to have to go back to cover, too. Yep. I'm going to get mine. Right. But see, nobody's not standing there either. That's the selfish part about football. I knew if it was eight in the box.

40:17I'm like, dang, dang, I can't get 100.

40:21Bo Jackson:But I tell you what, that eighth man going to get it.

40:23Shannon Sharpe:Yes.

40:24Bo Jackson:He going to get it. Four quarters, he ain't going to want to stick his head in there. Yeah. That's what has to happen. And I knew going into certain games, whether it was against Philly, when Buddy Ryan had that eighth man, that bare defense.

40:36Emmitt Smith:That bare defense.

40:37Bo Jackson:I'm like, man, I'd be lucky to get 55 yards today. But I knew that. But I'm looking at her. Better eat. Yeah. Better eat because when it's my time to eat, I'm going to eat. Yes, sir. So that's the yin and the yang of the game. Because the system and the defense also dictates what's happening. Because they can bracket you without even covering you. Yeah. And close down the throwing lanes and throwing gaps. And guess who has to pull the trigger? The quarterback. The quarterback. And if he's not comfortable with those small windows, he ain't throwing it your way. Yeah.

41:11Shannon Sharpe:Ain't got nothing to do with the system. We had a conversation yesterday. Ocho and I, we were having a conversation. Hopefully that answered your question.

41:19Emmitt Smith:It's a little selfish on your part a little bit. It's a little selfish on the Cowboys fans' part as well because I'm looking at something else.

41:26Shannon Sharpe:Chad, you're looking at the right thing. Chad, remember we had the conversation yesterday, and I told CD, excuse me, I told Chase, and Chase was trying to tell me, X, Y, and Z. I said, well, a number one, I said, you never let how much you get in the ball or the situation dictate how hard you play. You play hard regardless of circumstances. Whether I catch 10 balls or I catch one, I'm going to play hard. We've seen him drift. Forget about anything that may or may not have happened in Pittsburgh, late for this, late for that, or whatever the case may be. But we've seen it firsthand that when he's not getting the ball, it became a national story because the head coach said, I had a conversation with George, and we can't let what happened at Thanksgiving against the Lions, Nope.

42:08Shannon Sharpe:We can't let that happen again. Right. So that's all I've ever seen. Here's what I'm going to say.

42:14Bo Jackson:What brand you got? What brand do you have? What brand do you have? What kind of football player were you? What kind of football player were you? That's it.

42:25Shannon Sharpe:That's your brand.

42:25Bo Jackson:What kind of football player am I? I don't have to talk about it. It goes in the room before I get there.

42:30Emmitt Smith:And at the end of the day, George has to ask himself,

42:33Bo Jackson:what do I want to send on the football field before I get there? I want people to be in the locker room or in their study room, and I want the offensive coordinator to come up, guys, we got to stop the run this week. This 22 back here that they got, we can't let him get going.

42:50Emmitt Smith:Yes, sir.

42:51Bo Jackson:Because if we let him get going, 88 going to kill us. Then Novichek going to get going. So we got to figure out a way. How are we going to do this? I want them to have a damn nightmare thinking about how they're going to stop us. Because at the end of the day, you can't hold everything back. And when you hold one back, now I understand why. Thank you for the respect. Yes, sir. And all I'm saying, George has to develop that kind of, it's not all about me. Yes. And that's the problem with a lot of kids today. They think everything is about them. And so I had, what I learned from Jimmy one day, I'm a rookie.

43:29Bo Jackson:We having our two-minute drill on Thursday night. You have two-minute drill. and Jimmy's in charge of spotting the ball. He's the ref. Yeah. And so it's third and by four. I get five yards, do my little hookup, catch the ball, first down. I see first down. Jimmy said, no first down, no first down. Moving back three yards. So I was like, no, I got a first down, no first down. He said, no first down. Get in the huddle, get in the huddle. I said, but coach, I got the first down. Get in the huddle. Get your butt in the huddle. So I go in the huddle. Then we break in the huddle, coming out. He said, timeout.

43:56Bo Jackson:Call timeout. Troy Walkers is over to the sideline. I go up to him. I said, Coach, I got the first day. Get your butt in the auto. Embarrassed me in front of all my teammates. I was mad. So I didn't talk to him. After practice, I walked by him. Don't say nothing. I'm going to the meeting room back there. Walk past him. Don't say nothing. Come back out of the meeting room, go into the training room. Walk past him. Don't say nothing. Getting ready to leave the training room. Walk past him. He said, oh, you're not going to speak? I said, Coach, why you get on me like that? Why you embarrass me in front of my teammates?

44:23Bo Jackson:He said, E, I want you to know something. That wasn't for you. That was for everybody on the team to know that if I can get on my best players, and if you're not one of the top players, then you don't stand a chance. But I was mad because I had to call a timeout. I was mad at the OC for not getting to play any time enough. Didn't have nothing to do with you. And I understood that. I said, wow, what a lesson to learn. We thought and we think things are about us. George, it's not all about you. CD is not all about you. Tight end, it's not all about him. Dak, it's not all about you. The five guys up front that protect all of y 'all in order for you to get the ball, make it about them.

45:03Bo Jackson:Yeah. Because that's how you get the running game going, and that's how you get the pass game going. If Dak is on his back, he can't throw a damn pass. No, not at all.

45:11Emmitt Smith:Not at all.

45:11Bo Jackson:So it's just that simple to me.

45:13Shannon Sharpe:Hall of Famer, number 22 for the Dallas Cowboys, Emmitt Smith. Emmitt, appreciate it.

45:17Emmitt Smith:Hopefully that educated you a little bit.

45:19Shannon Sharpe:Do we get to keep him, or are you going to take him with you?

45:20Emmitt Smith:Oh, you get to keep him. Okay. Oh, but don't nobody give me nothing. I gave you something. Appreciate it. I'm just saying, I rarely get gifts, but I appreciate that. You mean you rarely get gifts? You accept gifts? Hey, Emma gave me a gift, huh? What we talking about? Appreciate you, dog. But no, but that's the real it. Yeah, yeah. Hey, it's more to be talked about. It's more to be talked about. Okay, whatever. I mean, we'll talk. We'll talk. We'll talk. We'll talk. Earl, what's the number one?

45:51Emmitt Smith:Am I going to get it? Is he going to get it?

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48:25Bo Jackson:True value. It's true. Value. Whoever get their true value. Quarterbacks do. Yeah. The quarterbacks don't even deserve it. True. Yeah, I said it. I said it. Good to see you, dog. I ain't lying neither. And you know. Shit.

48:43Shannon Sharpe:You gotta tell me. He played with the Green Bay Packers from 2017 to 2023. Now he's a Minnesota Vikings 2024. Moving forward, kind of dinged this year. Here he is, Aaron Jones. AJ, what's going on, bro? What's up?

49:00Orlando Brown Jr.:Yes, sir.

49:01Shannon Sharpe:Ah, man. Let's start with the elephant in the room. It's got to be painful. The guy that y 'all had a quarterback last year is here. How different do you believe your season would have been had that guy still been in your locker room? I feel like we last year we only lost to two teams, really.

49:21Orlando Brown Jr.:We lost two games. We lost to two games, two to the Rams and then two to the Lions. So I felt like we had everything we needed. But, you know, we're not GMs or nothing. That's outside of us. Yes. But definitely, you know, when you got a group of guys behind a quarterback and he wants to stay somewhere, I think you try to make it work. Right.

49:45Shannon Sharpe:When you look at your general manager, Kwase Adolfo Mensah, who ended up losing his job, obviously, you know, they said, well, he had this many draft picks and only two Pro Bowl players were selected, and Sam Donald ends up going to, on a very friendly contract, there's no question in my mind that the Minnesota could have matched that contract, because it seemed like it was like$30-something million, and a couple have been saying, you win your division, you win a playoff game, You get to the Super Bowl. Man, who wouldn't put those kind of incentives in there? I mean, I got to pay a million dollars if he gets to the Super Bowl.

50:16Shannon Sharpe:I would gladly pay a million dollars to get a guy to get me to the Super Bowl.

50:20Orlando Brown Jr.:I'd pay him too. I'd pay him. He got my check in this Super Bowl check.

50:25Shannon Sharpe:How do you feel? I mean, this year you got nicked a little bit. It's been a while. I mean, normally you're very durable. You catch the ball up. You do a threat. You can catch it. You can run it. But you kind of got nicked this year. How disappointed and frustrated was your season this year compared to years past?

50:41Orlando Brown Jr.:It was a little frustrating. I wouldn't say disappointing because I got to step up as a leader, find different ways to make an impact. But it was because I feel like when I'm healthy and when I'm out there, can't be effed with. At all. So it's a point of just staying healthy. And I never felt like after I got week two, I pulled my hamstring in. Yes. Yeah. Really didn't get back healthy until I came back, but really wasn't feeling myself until Detroit. That first time we played Detroit, I came out in the first half at like 78 yards and then start the third quarter AC joint. Missed the rest of that and just battling.

51:17Orlando Brown Jr.:So just get back to it, really grind this offseason, take care of myself, and had a best one yet. Show everybody I still got it and I'm still him. Yeah. I'm the best running back.

51:31Emmitt Smith:Outside of having to prove yourself, not even prove yourself, but prove all the doubters wrong. In your team, you look at the landscape of your team, what do you think you guys need to do differently to be able to be in the conversation and be here? Well, you're not here talking with us, but you're here doing radio, road, media in the Super Bowl next year.

51:48Orlando Brown Jr.:What do you think needs to happen? I feel like it comes down to execution and minimizing the mistakes. You've got to play mistake-free football. Nothing's going to be perfect, but don't turn over the ball. Right. Anytime you don't turn over the ball, you give yourself a chance to win. But just all 11 playing with a mean streak across the board, because I feel like when we would lock in and we would move the ball, but if nobody was saying nothing, it wasn't happening. So just staying on top of everybody when we get in the huddle and being that enforcer of confidence. Like, hey, is there any place y 'all would rather be?

52:26Orlando Brown Jr.:Y 'all dream to be in here right now. So let's go do this. I don't care who's standing in front of you. Yeah. And it was because that's how I think when I step on the field. Like, I came in with A-Rod, Devontae Adams, but in my head, I was the best player on the field. Was I really? Maybe not. But you got to be that. I believe it.

52:43Emmitt Smith:You got to have that mentality. You got to be 100%.

52:46Shannon Sharpe:As you mentioned, A-Rod, he's contemplating retirement. He's about to be 42 years of age. What advice would you offer, Aaron? Like I said, you had some great years with Aaron. You won some MVP. You was there when he won MVPs. when he was at his absolute apex. Yes. If you could offer some insight. You know, he said, I want to decompress. I want to take some time away from this before I make my decision. It seemed like he was having fun. The most fun he's had in a very long time in Pittsburgh as opposed to previous two seasons in New York. Anything you want to share?

53:18Orlando Brown Jr.:That's exactly what I was about to hit on. I think he got a lot of ball left. You see him out there. He looked like he was having fun. His celebrations, the love for the game is back in his heart. and you can see it. And he's a competitor. I think he comes back. I think he got a lot left. You see at the end of one of the games, he threw a hell of Mary, just flicked his wrist at 70. You can't just come out and coach that.

53:45Emmitt Smith:If he comes back, would it be there or would it be in Minnesota?

53:52Emmitt Smith:I like him in Minnesota. I mean, that's my dog. I'm just throwing that down.

53:58Orlando Brown Jr.:And just what he brings to a locker room. Yeah. That leadership that is a standard. Like, if you ain't in your playbook, oh, you ain't seeing the field. Right, right. Like, he going to test you. He going to throw some signals out there. And he going to see if you really care about this. Right, right. And as a player, like, I love that because I'm in my books. I'm making an effort. Like, I came from UTEP from nothing. Right. So I had to earn that. And when you do it the right way and it's noticed, it's refreshing.

54:28Emmitt Smith:And most definitely, when I think about it too, just envision it, hypothetically speaking. You know, quarterbacks normally flourish, especially like Aaron Rodgers, who's now on the older side. So you put him in a situation where he doesn't have to elevate those around him, but the team around him can elevate him. And you know what team can do that? Yeah.

54:48Shannon Sharpe:They got Hawkinson's going to be back. Hey. They got Naylor.

54:52Emmitt Smith:It makes sense to me.

54:53Shannon Sharpe:You're running the ball in the backfield.

54:56Orlando Brown Jr.:Jordan Mason's still there.

54:58Shannon Sharpe:You've got a situation where you're going into your 10th season. Normally 10 years for a running back, that's kind of it. But you're still playing at an elite level. What would you attribute that to?

55:10Orlando Brown Jr.:Just stand on top of, even though I was banged up a little bit this year, just stand on top of my body as much as I can, trying to find different things and different ways to stay in front of it. But after I leave the facility, I'm back in the facility every day for about two hours. I go home, two hours, hang out, grab my son. He come to the facility with me. He in the hot tub. He in the coat. He in the sauna. He doing all of that. So just finding ways to stay ahead of the game and then just really busting my butt in the offseason. Just kind of – I took it from Jerry Rice. I was watching something, and he was saying he don't take much time off.

55:50Orlando Brown Jr.:Yeah. Like he from running like he keeps his body going active. Yeah, so it never All right, I'm old now. I got to get this body back going So I'm just kind of took that from him on and then I think it's been tally didn't want to I want to play this game for yeah as long as I can so they tell me I can't so It's funny because we had like Harrison Smith CJ Hamm retire this year and I'm looking at them. I'm like, yeah, I don't this not go. This not gonna be me I don't like I'm gonna have to go I'm going to have to go down the list. They're going to have to tell you you can't play no more. Drew, this team don't want me.

56:22Orlando Brown Jr.:Okay, call the next team. And that's how I feel like this is going to end for me. I like it. I like it.

56:29Shannon Sharpe:You got a quarterback. You selected very high J.J. McCarthy. But he's kind of been Nick. Missed his entire rookie year and was in and out of the lineup this year. What do you think he needs to do in order to stay healthy on the field and then prove? Because right now he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold was there. You mentioned they won. Y 'all was 14-3 the year that Sam Darnold was playing. And now Sam goes to another team, and he's in the Super Bowl. So, unfortunately for him, he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnold.

56:58Orlando Brown Jr.:I think he's just got to come in and continue to grow, continue to believe in himself. And I always tell him, you're here for a reason. Yep. We need you, and you made it this far by what you got up here, and you're God-given a billion in the work that you put in. So don't let that change you. Don't let no outside noise change you or how you think of yourself because confidence is a big thing when you step on that field. Big. Confidence is everything. Just trying to instill that into him. But just getting back to the fundamentals, sitting down, taking a deep breath, and I feel like trading camp will be huge for him, all those reps and stuff like that.

57:35Orlando Brown Jr.:And I say with a young quarterback, it takes time. Yes. Look at Sam Duff. They was ready to write him off at one point. Yeah. Look at Jordan Love. he had time to come in and sit down and develop. Bryce Young, this year, he had time to sit down. He looked good. He didn't even sit down. He played through that development, though, and they gave him the time. He got benched and came back and still looked good. I got you. It takes time for quarterbacks. I think we're so used to those cornerstone quarterbacks that we've had for a while, and I think it's changing over. And it takes time for them to develop.

58:13Shannon Sharpe:People just look at Peyton, and they're like, look at Peyton Manning. Peyton was terrible at his rookie year. I was in the league, and Tom didn't even start his rookie year, so we don't know what Tom could or couldn't have been. And then for the first couple of years, they were a run defensive football team. Yeah, we see the finish product of Tom, but Tom didn't start off like that because if he started off like that, he wouldn't have been a sixth-round draft pick. He'd have been a first-round draft pick. With that being said, you do – and you hear all the quarterbacks talk about it. You hear Peyton, you hear Tom, you hear Drew, you hear some of these guys.

58:45Shannon Sharpe:It's like they're not developing quarterbacks anymore because everybody wants this thing instantaneous. They're not willing to let these guys grow. Bro, you ain't want us a playoff game yet? Bro, I'm a rookie.

58:57Orlando Brown Jr.:100%. And it seemed like it all falled on them too. Yes. And it's not always them. There's things around them that got to be working too. We got to make their job easier, like you said.

59:09Shannon Sharpe:Because the thing is now you see the cap went up to like between$301 and$305 million. So in the next five years, that means the cap's going to be damn near$400 million.

59:18Orlando Brown Jr.:The money on keep coming in.

59:19Shannon Sharpe:So with that being said, when you've got to pay – within the next 10 years, you know there's going to be a quarterback making$100 million a year.

59:25Orlando Brown Jr.:Oh, 100%.

59:26Shannon Sharpe:He's going to be making$100 million a year. Just let us running backs get a little soft. Just let us running backs get a little soft. And so the thing is is that, hey, we're going to pay somebody$100 million a year. I've got to know for certain he can play.

59:36Orlando Brown Jr.:He's the one. He's got to be the one. $100 million, he got to be able to take us to the game. For sure. $100 million, that's a big investment.

59:43Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Aaron Jones, thanks for joining us, bro.

59:45Orlando Brown Jr.:I appreciate y 'all. Love. Legends.

59:47Shannon Sharpe:Let me see you in a minute, baby.

59:47Orlando Brown Jr.:Sir, you already know.

59:49Shannon Sharpe:Tight end. 20-25 first-team all-pro. 126 catches, which is NFL record for a tight end. Legend. 1239 receiving yards, 11 touchdowns. He just broke the record, single-season record for a tight end, Trey McBride. Trey, how you doing, bro? Yeah, man, doing good, man.

1:00:05Stephen A. Smith:Appreciate y 'all, man. This will be dope.

1:00:08Shannon Sharpe:Let's go and get it right. Madden, you're here for the Madden, right? Yes, sir. So talk to us about it.

1:00:13Stephen A. Smith:Just, you know, obviously a great game. Madden, you know, obviously love playing, man. And what do I got to do to get one more point, man? I'm a 98, man.

1:00:20Emmitt Smith:You're probably going to be a 98. I'm going to sit together with my team. We're going to discuss because obviously you should be a 99, which you were able to do this season. So tremendous.

1:00:28Stephen A. Smith:Yeah, we're going to have to sit down and talk about that. I got you. Have a deep conversation about that. I want the gold shoes in that chain. I need that chain.

1:00:36Emmitt Smith:That kind of conversation isn't even deep. It's more so common sense.

1:00:40Stephen A. Smith:Yeah. Common sense. I got you. The number's talking, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

1:00:44Shannon Sharpe:You had an unbelievable season, obviously. You had an individual great season. Not the team success that you had hoped for. Your head coach got relieved of his duty. What do you think you guys need to do? You hired Mike LaFleur, who's an offensive coordinator at the Rams. What do you think you guys need to do in order for you to make a playoff run, to get into the playoffs and see some of this individual success that you're enjoying. Let people see you on the big stage in a playoff game.

1:01:10Stephen A. Smith:I think, you know, we're right there, man. We're close. We're in every single game. We're in the fourth quarter. We're, you know, one play here, one play there. And I think that's what we need, man. We just need that one play to get us over the edge, man. We're right there. We just got to finish games. And last year, we just weren't finishing games good enough. And I think we're going to just finish games this year, and we're going to be right there in that conversation.

1:01:28Emmitt Smith:How's the body holding up? After having a season like that, having that amount of catches, Just going through that kind of punishment. How is the body holding up so far?

1:01:35Stephen A. Smith:Yeah, I feel great, man. I feel really good, man. I wish I was still playing. You know, I feel good enough to keep playing. So I just got to keep going. I'm young, man, just feeling great. So just got to build on it next year.

1:01:45Shannon Sharpe:Are you the best tight end in football?

1:01:47Stephen A. Smith:You know, I'm a great tight end, man. No, no, no, no.

1:01:50Emmitt Smith:Don't answer. Don't answer, PC. Yes, you are the greatest tight end in football right now. It's okay.

1:01:56Stephen A. Smith:It's hard because, you know, Travis, George, he's got to have been doing it for a long time, man. They've got a body of work, a log body of work. And I just got to stack a few more years, and I think we can put myself in that conversation.

1:02:05Shannon Sharpe:The first three years of your NFL career, you had six touchdowns. This year, you break out, you have 11. What was different? What clicked this year? I mean, obviously, your third year, you had an unbelievable season. But what was it for you that totally, like, you were totally in sync? And it seems to me that once Jacoby Brissett got it there, he's like, hey, get open, Trey.

1:02:27Stephen A. Smith:Yeah, I think that's exactly what it was, man. And Jacoby was just like, if it's one-on-one, man, the ball's coming to you. Just expect the ball to come to you. And even if it's two-on-one, man, the ball's coming to you. So Jacoby just had a lot of faith in me. He had a lot of trust in me. And I think that's what it was, man. He just believed in me. And the opportunities kept coming, and I was making plays for him.

1:02:46Shannon Sharpe:Have you had an opportunity to study the Rams offense? Because that's the offense that you guys are going to be running. Now, normally, that offense is predicated on the outside guys. You see Cooper Cup. You see Puka Nakua. You see Devontae Adams. is really not tight end centric. But, and I like your guy. Wilson, is that his name? Yeah, Michael Wilson. He's a dog, man. Nice. I was trying to tell Ocho. Yeah, nice. But you're their best receiver. And so now you're going to have to gear an offense that's really suited to make sure you get your catches, make sure you get your target.

1:03:19Stephen A. Smith:Yeah, I think the other thing about it, man, not only did they have the receivers, they led the league in 13 personnel, man. So they love the tight end. They're going to put the tight end out on the field and they're going to throw to the tight end too. So I think that's a huge part of us. But we do have two great receivers with Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson. Man, we've got a lot of weapons on that offense. And I'm just excited to see how Mike LaFleur is going to get all the ball, man. It's going to be a lot of fun.

1:03:40Shannon Sharpe:When you got into the league, what was your expectations? What did you hope to accomplish? Because you've had such success. You've gone to a couple of Pro Bowls, and here you are. You set the NFL record, most receiving yards in a single season by a tight end, 126, 126, almost led the league in reception. You finished three behind Puka, 126, 12, 39, and 11 touchdowns. What were your hopes when you got into the league? What did you say, you know what, my first quarter, my first four years in the NFL, what were you hoping to accomplish?

1:04:11Stephen A. Smith:You know, I knew I was a great player. I just wanted to be the best player that I could be. I didn't know to this extent that I was going to be as good as I did, man. You get the opportunity, you get a little bit of success, man, and it's like I'm just hungry for it, man. I just got to do what I did last year, beat it again, and now it's just consistency being able to do it over and over and over again, and I think that's what really makes a great tight end is doing it over and over again.

1:04:31Shannon Sharpe:I definitely agree with that because the thing is that it's easy to sneak up on someone when really people don't know who you are. But you know when defensive coordinators go into that room on Monday, they got that number circled. This is the guy that we got to neutralize. If we want to have any hopes of winning this ballgame, we've got to keep this guy under control. and for you to go out there game in and game out, week in and week out, and show the level of consistency in which you've done, that speaks volumes to the type of player that you are.

1:04:58Stephen A. Smith:Yeah, and like it's a lot harder to get open now. You know, it used to be easy and no one knew who the hell I was. I was getting wide open and now I'm getting chipped at the line. I'm getting double teamed here and there. And I think it just means more when I catch a ball now because it's like I had to really work for it, man. It wasn't just schemed up. It wasn't – I really had to get open and work for it. You had to beat two guys instead of one and it just means a little bit more. So now there's no secret, man. and now I've got to do it again when everyone knows who I am.

1:05:21Shannon Sharpe:When it's all said and done, how do you want your career? How do you want to be remembered? How does Trey McBride want to be remembered when it's all said and done?

1:05:30Stephen A. Smith:Just as a consistent, you know, elite player, man, a guy who kind of did everything the right way, you know, played for his teammates, and most importantly, man, did it the right way. I think that's the most thing is you don't want to, you know, cheat the game, man. You just want to keep building it and then just do it the right way,

1:05:44Shannon Sharpe:and I think that's what I'm trying to build. You know, the thing is in your quarterback, Kyler, you've been there, He's been there your entire time, and there's a stretch that he might be leaving. He might be traded, and now some of that's been taken back that there's a chance that he might stay there. Are you okay with that? You think you guys, Kyler's kind of got nicked, but you had great seasons under Kyler. I mean, it just skyrocketed with Jacoby.

1:06:09Stephen A. Smith:Yeah, man, I love Kyler, man. He's a tremendous player, a guy who can make all the off-schedule plays, man. He can do it all. So I love everything about him, I'd love to have him back as a quarterback because, obviously, we've got a great chemistry. I know exactly what he's thinking, but whoever's back there slinging it, man, I'm going to get open for him, and we're going to make it happen, baby.

1:06:27Shannon Sharpe:So we can pencil you in. 130 next year?

1:06:30Stephen A. Smith:Yeah, 130, and just add one or two to all those.

1:06:33Shannon Sharpe:Because, you know, okay, you already got the record, so you might as well try to get, I think, Kelsey got over 1 ,400, so you've got to get that one. And I think Bronc has like 17, 17, 17. So I've got some work to do, no doubt.

1:06:46Emmitt Smith:All you've got to do is start off early. You start off early those first five weeks and just cruise the rest of the season with the touchdown TDs. I don't know.

1:06:52Shannon Sharpe:You get 130-plus, 1 ,500 yards, and 16 touchdowns. You might be the first tight end to win an MVP. Oh, yeah. With those kind of numbers, man. Congratulations. Great season, man. Appreciate you guys.

1:07:06Chad Johnson:But how you doing, bro? I'm doing all right, man. It's good to see y 'all, man. Proud of y 'all, as always, doing y 'all things. I watch y 'all when I can, especially nightcap, you know, doing y 'all things. I said, my boy just making noise and stuff. Winning. winning top ten across the board handling this business. I don't mind saying that. Had I been in it as long as he has in the podcast world and all that, I had my feelings hurt. I'd be like, he's kicking my ass. But I'm like, nah. He's a pioneer. I'm following him.

1:07:31Emmitt Smith:So I'm good with it.

1:07:33Shannon Sharpe:I'm good with it.

1:07:35Emmitt Smith:I'm going to say, I want to talk a little basketball. I know he knows. He has the knowledge. He's in the game. Understand the game. He can hear some of the things that we can hear in the background. Giannis and Ja. Is there a move for those two before today's, before the 4 o 'clock deadline?

1:07:51Chad Johnson:It's highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely. It's still possible, but highly unlikely. Giannis has four calf injuries since over the last 19 months. Now, I'm a Knicks fan. Yes. So, long-suffering, diehard Knicks fan. And I'm sitting up there. Yeah, you saw. Oh, I still remember how you always tease me about that. Oh, my goodness. Don't get me started with him. But the thing about it is this. I'm like, go get him. Go get Giannis. Go get Giannis. and then the calf injuries came. I was like, wait a minute now. I mean, wait a minute now because here's the reason why. It really hurts, Stephen A. I'm going to tell you why you get nervous.

1:08:22Chad Johnson:I'm going to tell you why you get nervous. KD, calf injury, before the torn Achilles. You see what happened last year. Halliburton, Tatum, Damian Lillard. You get nervous. And so the worst thing that could happen to the New York Knicks, you're going to have to trade at least two players and a couple of picks. And if you do that and then Giannis can't go, oh, what a disaster. I can't have that.

1:08:43Shannon Sharpe:And he's going to want a MAAC extension this summer too.

1:08:45Chad Johnson:That's right, and so I worry about that. In the case of John Morant, here's my problem. First of all, all of these cats that want to get on him for his troubles from years ago, stop that. Just stop that. You know, he's young, made a mistake. Let it go. Damn, let it go. But here's what you can hold against him. I see no change in his game. I see no change in his game. No evolving. No, no, no, no evolving. You shoot 23 % for three-point range. Do you know that that's the second worst three-point shooter in the NBA right now? Hold on, Stephen A. I'm just saying. At the second level and when it's time to drive, that's where he makes his head.

1:09:18Chad Johnson:But what I'm saying to you is the way the game is now, you've got to be able to be a perimeter threat. So he can give you 18 to 20 a night with ease. The problem is to get you to the next level, you've got to be able to hit from a way to pass. Especially with him being as slim as he is. You've got to be able to get him.

1:09:37Shannon Sharpe:He's a guard. You can't shoot 23 % as a guard.

1:09:39Chad Johnson:You can't shoot 23 % from three-point range. You can't do that. And so when I'm looking at him, maybe it's because of the distractions. Maybe it's because of the money you got comfortable. But I'm not seeing any evolving in your game. And that's what I'm worried about. Not that he can't play.

1:09:55Emmitt Smith:I know where he can evolve. I know where he can evolve. Coming on down at a structured environment where discipline is concerned in Miami.

1:10:03Chad Johnson:I don't mind that. I don't mind. But wait a minute. But at the expense of whom? Because I ain't letting go of Tyler Hero for him. What? Let me tell you why. Tyler Hero can shoot. He can spread the floor. If Ja can't shoot, then how that's going to help Bam? How that's going to help Kalil Webb? How that's going to help these other cats? You need to have somebody that can shoot from the outside to keep you honest so when you come out there to defend them, it gives your big some space. You can't have a cat that's got to go to the hole. Listen, remember when Ben Simmons was playing? Yeah. This is an all-time play.

1:10:36Chad Johnson:I'll never get it as long as I live. Carmelo Anthony is guarding Ben Simmons. And then it's like a light bulb flash. He said, he said, what the hell am I doing? And turned his back to Ben Simmons and sprinted to the paint. He said, what am I guarding him out there for? He'll never shoot that. You see what I'm saying? If you do, he ain't going to make it. You got to make somebody respect you enough to guard you away from the basket. Okay.

1:11:01Shannon Sharpe:This game. Everybody, I mean, only one player. And Jaden Daniels and Connor from Threads. Yep. Well, the only two people that we've had come across this desk and pick the Patriots to win this game.

1:11:15Chad Johnson:Yeah, it ain't going to be me. It ain't going to be me. I ain't picking no damn Patriots. Hey, hey, hey, I hope that's not what you will need it to.

1:11:22Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to pick them. It's true. So right now it's 10-2. Everybody else that's coming up here to talk to Ocho and I. Right. It's 10-2 Seattle to win over the Patriots.

1:11:31Chad Johnson:Then I'm 11? Yes. Yeah, I'm 11.

1:11:33Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, I'm 11. I'm 11. What is it about the Seahawks that you love? They're the most complete team.

1:11:40Chad Johnson:New England went against the Chargers, damn good defense. They went against Houston, elite defense. They went against the Denver Broncos, 68 sacks, four shy of the all-time record. I know you know it by the Denver Broncos. None of them were considered number one. It was Seattle. That's the defense you got to go against. Then I'm looking at the Patriots offense that's only giving you 18 points per game in the postseason. Now, I understand the blizzard in Denver in the second half, right? But how do you explain the first four possessions? You had three and outs in the first half. How do you explain the fact that you were struggling, really, to score against Houston?

1:12:13Chad Johnson:How do you explain the fact that you were struggling to score against the Chargers? But I'm supposed to believe you're going to score against Seattle? And then when I think about Njegba, I'm like, he ain't stronger, bigger, faster than nobody, but you can't stop him. He was wreaking havoc at Ohio State. Now look what he's doing in Seattle. That's why you let go of T.K. Metcalf as your number one option because you could afford, and this brother been playing lights out. Sam Donald suddenly looked like an all-world quarterback. You know, Kenneth Walker, everybody talking about Sharpe. But let me tell you something about Kenneth Walker.

1:12:42Chad Johnson:He did rush for over 1 ,000 yards. He did average 4.6 yards a carry. I'm like, how are we sleeping on him? We can't sleep on these brothers. I just think they're the most complete team. And I think the only shot New England has of winning this Super Bowl, they have to hold Seattle to 20 points or less because I don't see them scoring more than 20.

1:13:04Shannon Sharpe:They're going to have to coax some turnovers. Now, Sam Darnold has been great in the postseason. He's taking care of the football. As long as he doesn't revert back to what we think and what we've seen him be, Stephen A., I think they'll be fine. But, you know, go back and look at every team in the playoffs. Whoever's turned the ball over the most, they went home. Okay.

1:13:24Chad Johnson:Oh, by the way, Drake made six times three lost fumbles. sacked five times each game. Oh, so y 'all ain't even protecting them. And by the way, you see how Seattle gets to the ball? So you can run with the football, and he's shown that he can do that, particularly on first and second down. They use him on first and second down. So I get that part, but I'm like this. That ain't going to work against Seattle. I can't see that happening. The only way is if Drake, all of a sudden, with Booty and Diggs, is flinging that damn football, and all of a sudden, we watching these cats throw the damn football.

1:14:01Chad Johnson:If I see that, that will change my mind. I can't see it happening.

1:14:04Shannon Sharpe:But the secondary for Seattle is so good. You've got Spoon and Wolin. Exactly. Emanuari. They're really good. Defensive line with D-Law and Leonard Williams and those guys. They're really good. Ernest Jones the fourth. He's been a steal. He's been exceptional.

1:14:21Chad Johnson:And then people are pointing to L.A. You scored 38 against them in the regular season in the overtime loss when they lost 38-37. They gave up 27 to L.A. in the playoffs. And I'm going like this. That was Puka Nakua out there catching that damn ball.

1:14:35Shannon Sharpe:And Devontae.

1:14:36Chad Johnson:You ain't got that on New England? I respect the hell out of Booty and Diggs but you ain't that dude.

1:14:42Shannon Sharpe:You're not that dude. That's where I'm at with it. And I like Drake May but for me, and I don't have a vote, but if I had a vote, I'd vote for Matthew Stafford for MVP. Matthew Stafford for MVP.

1:14:53Chad Johnson:The only problem I like, see, here's the problem I have with Shannon Sharp. You know, let's say Ocho. He had this problem all the damn time. It's okay to say. Stephen, you're right. I agree with you. See, he's trying to say. He was listening to me. He was listening to me say that. You understand? He was listening to me say, Stafford, the damn MVP. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he'll say it. He'll just say it without saying it.

1:15:15Shannon Sharpe:No, but you know there have been some that said Drake made. Yeah, I know.

1:15:21Chad Johnson:Listen, the Drake made problem in all seriousness. New England had the weakest schedule since 1999. the weakest schedule in the NFL since 1999. That's what the stats show. Then you got the Chargers. You're depleted at your offensive line with two Pro Bowlers out, Slater and all. You go against Houston. Nico Collins is out. Schultz goes down in the second quarter. You go up against Denver. You got Jared Stidham, a backup quarterback. Not only is he a backup quarterback, he ain't throw a pass since 2023. Okay? And then on top of the ball. It looked like it. And on top of the ball, a blizzard came.

1:15:55Chad Johnson:Yeah. I mean, come on. You get a lot of luck.

1:15:57Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. A lot of luck. But you know sometimes, Stephen, things have to go your way. That's fair.

1:16:02Chad Johnson:You know what I'm saying? Things have to go your way. That's fair. But usually that's not what goes down in the Super Bowl. No. Usually in the Super Bowl, it's about your skill. Yeah. And your will.

1:16:13Shannon Sharpe:In a game like the Super Bowl, you're going to get two momentum swings. Only two.

1:16:17Emmitt Smith:It's going to happen.

1:16:18Shannon Sharpe:Whoever gets the momentum first, how much separation can you put between you and the team that doesn't have the momentum?

1:16:26Chad Johnson:See, it's interesting. I love that question. Because I think that if you're New England, you got to have a 10-point cushion.

1:16:32Shannon Sharpe:I don't think that's enough. That's it?

1:16:34Chad Johnson:I'm saying, I don't think you're going to get the cushion. That's my point. I don't think you're getting the cushion. I don't think that's enough.

1:16:39Shannon Sharpe:Because we've seen Seattle come back from playing the Rams. The Rams had what?

1:16:46Chad Johnson:Yeah, but the Rams' defense wasn't New England's. That's the only thing. New England can get stops. Rams couldn't get no stops. That's the problem. But the question is, New England's offense ain't the Rams' offense. That's right. That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't have them winning.

1:17:04Shannon Sharpe:That's why I don't have them winning. That's the problem. They can run the ball. I like Henderson. I like Stevenson. They can run the football.

1:17:12Chad Johnson:But, oof. Everybody said, I picked a final score of 31-20. And everybody was looking at me, and they said, well, you're bringing up the defense. Why you got them scoring 31 points? And I said because I think they're going to get too many bites at the apple because New England's offense isn't going to be able to do but so much. So if you have the defense out on the field enough, eventually they're going to wear out. They're going to break. They're going to break.

1:17:38Shannon Sharpe:I think it might be a lower score than that. I might go 24 to 16.

1:17:43Chad Johnson:Think so? I got 31-20. I got 31-20.

1:17:46Emmitt Smith:I can see 30 points simply because the high volume of scoring that Seattle continues to do regardless of who they play.

1:17:52Chad Johnson:By the way, did your boy tell you he hooked me up with his boy for his glasses? And I went and got the glasses. I bought a bunch of them. Oh, you got a bunch of them? No, no, no. He got me with the cat. The Cartier. He got me with the cat. I saw him on Nightcap. And I was like this. I need a few of those. I need a few of those. So I went and got them. I went and got them. You staying for the game? No, you leaving Sunday morning, right? I'm leaving Sunday morning. Probably Saturday. You having a good time? I'm good. Man, shoot. Thanks to you. That party last night was no joke, my brother. I mean, I...

1:18:23Chad Johnson:Where you over? So when I come down to Miami, I don't want to hear nothing. I don't want to hear nothing. There ain't going to be no party. I ain't throwing no party. Oh, that's right.

1:18:31Emmitt Smith:I forgot you down there. Hey, we got to go to dinner. I got it. I'm going to tell you where we go. Okay. That's cool. We good. I'll take you up on it then. Okay.

1:18:38Chad Johnson:I'll take you up on it. No, I'm serious. I'm that serious. You're going to Vegas.

1:18:41Shannon Sharpe:I got you, right?

1:18:42Chad Johnson:Such a liar. He's lying his ass off. I mean, this cat man. I mean, Shannon, I can't find Shannon half the damn time. I'm in Vegas. You good? You good? What do you mean I'm good? I've been calling you for hours. Where you at? You know? I can't catch him. You know? Hey, man, I'll be in the bed, Stevie. That'll be sweet. I ain't mad at you, but I'm telling you this. Listen, I love living in Florida. Let me just love you.

1:19:04Emmitt Smith:Hey, hold on. You don't smoke cigars, huh? No, not really, but I smoked a few. Okay.

1:19:10Chad Johnson:I mean, I remember one time, last time, it's been years, actually. Last time I smoked a cigar, I was in a cigar bar with Michael Stray. Okay. You know what I'm saying? But I mean, I smoked a few. I mean, because it's cool. Yeah. It's cool. Well, I'll come down there.

1:19:21Shannon Sharpe:Me and you and Ochoa, we go get a bite to eat. That's it. I just want to go get a bite to eat. I just want to go get a bite to eat. That's it. What you mean? We ain't going to go nowhere else? I want to go get a bite to eat. No, no, no, no.

1:19:36Chad Johnson:Hold on. We ain't going to go nowhere else? No. You might want to rethink that. You might want to rethink that. I mean, there's a couple of spots that I can. I don't want to go. Yeah. I'll tell you what I do. I'll tell you what I do. I'll take you to a spot to eat, but it ain't just about eating it. You know what I'm saying? It's all in one. It's all in one. I'll take you to the spot. Why can't I get friends that support me?

1:20:02Trey McBride:Why can't I get friends that support me?

1:20:04Chad Johnson:We are supporting you. We're looking out for you. I mean, we're looking out for you. We really are. We really are. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we really are. We got you covered. You understand what I'm saying? Why do I need any other type of friends when I'm trying to— It's okay to live.

1:20:18Emmitt Smith:You're not living. You're alive, but you're not living. I can't seriously tell you that.

1:20:21Chad Johnson:You're going home. You're working and going home. You're working from home half the time and stuff like that. I bet there's days that go by that you don't leave the house. I'm willing to bet that. If I don't go work out, yes. See? Yes. Work out? You mean you don't have a gym in your house? I do. You're Shannon Shaw.

1:20:38Shannon Sharpe:I got two gyms in my house.

1:20:39Chad Johnson:All right. So why do you got to go to work out?

1:20:41Shannon Sharpe:But, you know, I like to mingle. No. If I don't leave my house to go work out, I would literally be in my house two, three weeks at a time.

1:20:52Chad Johnson:I could never do that. Now, I've improved. I could stay in the house for a couple of days, two or three days without moving. Especially the crib I got now.

1:21:00Shannon Sharpe:Like when COVID happens, I ain't miss a beat. You ain't got to go nowhere? Perfect.

1:21:08Emmitt Smith:Wow. I got to leave the house. I got to go. I got to go.

1:21:11Chad Johnson:I got to go out. You got to eat. You got to walk around. You got to feel the fresh air outside. You got to do that. I don't give a damn if it's me getting in my car to drive to the damn store or something. Just to get out and feel the breeze.

1:21:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, get in your car and drive to the store in Miami. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:21:27Chad Johnson:That's my story. I'm sticking to it. That's my story. I'm sticking to it. I'm telling you that right now. I mean, that's what it is. That's what it is. It is lovely, man. You know, when we say Miami, let's be very clear. We're not really talking about Miami. We're talking about all its surrounding parts. Yes. Oh. All the stuff around within the 30 to 45 minute radius. All around it. You understand? All around it. Beautiful, lady. From Lauderdale to Coral Gables. Las Olas. It's just a lot. Beautiful. This guy here, man. It's just a special thing.

1:21:58Emmitt Smith:You got to come on down.

1:21:59Shannon Sharpe:I'm coming down, man, but I told you what I wanted.

1:22:02Chad Johnson:And my crib, very private. Private. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You ain't got to worry about being found. Okay. I'm trying to tell you. Okay. I'm trying to tell you. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You go to the noise. It ain't at your doorstep. That's the key. That's the key. Don't go to the noise. Don't have the noise at your doorstep. Go to it.

1:22:22Emmitt Smith:I like that.

1:22:23Chad Johnson:That way you can stay away from it when it's time. That's what you got to do.

1:22:27Trey McBride:Okay.

1:22:28Shannon Sharpe:I'm trying to tell you. Stephen A. Smith, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, man. Congratulations on everything, man. I appreciate y 'all, man. The serious show, the Stephen A. Smith show, the big deal at ESPN. You got it. Bro, I appreciate it. I appreciate you. And I want to tell you. Yes, sir. I appreciate the support. When a lot of people ran away, you ran to me. Now, hell no. And I appreciate that. And I hope you keep them away.

1:22:50Chad Johnson:No, they don't. And it was no excuse for people to be that way.

1:22:53Trey McBride:Yeah.

1:22:53Chad Johnson:I saw you. You know, I saw you. You and I talk all the time. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I got a number of love for y 'all. Both of y 'all. Proud of both of y 'all. Keep doing what you think. But all these people, listen, man. When you up here.

1:23:05Shannon Sharpe:They was with you.

1:23:06Chad Johnson:You know? Exactly. And then something happened and what you do. You just sat up there and you forgot that that was supposed to be your boy. Because they was never your boy. You're right. They were never your boy. Still on the kick rocks. Yep.

1:23:17Shannon Sharpe:With no shoe on. Damn right. Appreciate it, bro. Have the best. All right. Juvie. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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