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26:46Shannon Sharpe:Why they're a current player.

26:51Shannon Sharpe:Asante Samuel saw the clips of us debating him in prime and he responded to us, Ocho. That's your problem, pimp. You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharp. I'm not worried about what everyone perceives to be true like yourself i stand on facts you have yet to talk about the facts you can easily be manipulated just like everyone has because of marketing i bet you won't debate me big facts shannon sharp safety has a short safety has the short middle nobody's in the deep but me and the receiver you don't know the truth pimp you just talking at you uh with no facts. Let's talk or you scared like everyone else, bro.

27:31Hey, I didn't even know your answers. You're like, okay, I like that. I like that, huh? Hey, y 'all, hey, listen, we can have a club shea-shea, right? Listen to me now. Stay with me. You have a club shea-shea DB edition. A good conversation, PowerPoint presentation style, film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have. It ain't no opinion.

27:56Shannon Sharpe:He's not time. What are we debating? Let me finish, baby. Let me finish. Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now. Something that's never been done before. A format that's never been done before. Two players. Actually, three, because you're a part of a two. Three players. You got Prime and Sonny Samuels and you. You one that loves to break down film. He's also one that loves to break down film. Now, just picture this. You talk about you think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers? What you think you and Son sent down, you know, going over, okay, you want to prove it? Prove it.

28:30Die in the sky don't lie. I'm just throwing the idea out there because the format has never been done before.

28:36Shannon Sharpe:I've given Coach Time and myself have given Atalante Samuel more attention since he's been retired than he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's nothing to debate. My bad. There's no one going to say he's in the realm of time. he's in the realm of the rail Revis he's in the realm of Rod Woodson or Charles Woodson or Darryl Green or a male blunt he's not I don't give a damn what he says about the film he played he played more get he played more look bro you had an unbelievable career congratulations you're just not time you're not time You're not Rebus. Hold on. Did he make an all-decade team?

29:27Because Ty made all-decade and he's one of the 100 greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume. Let's see his body of work.

29:38I complimented him. I said, Ty don't believe in wasting motion. The T-step worked well for Asante. I gave him a compliment.

29:50Let's see his resume.

29:59So he didn't make all decade. Four-time Pro Bowler. One-time All-Pro. How many Pro Bowls did Ty and me? How many All-Team? Yeah. same number of Super Bowls but one guy was a defensive player of the year one guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power how many DBs can say swung the balance of power he go to one team to keep the other team from going he goes to the other team and keep that team from going bro you had an unbelievable career you went to a pro bow, you're an all pro. You're not time. And that's not a knock. It's okay. It's okay. But I don't know why you're getting mad at me.

30:57I tell you what, go find the GM, go find the coach, go find the player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time. That's all you got to do. Hell, your son won't say you better than time. And he a junior. Let's be real, man. You coming. I'm the wrong one.

31:21What you doing? Where you going?

31:29I got that. I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T-step served you well. I just said you weren't tired. That's okay. If somebody says, you know what, Shannon, you had an unbelievable career. Shannon, you went to eight Pro Bowls. You're a first-team All-Pro. You're an All-Decade player. You're in the Hall of Fame. But you ain't Gronk. Okay. You ain't Travis Kelsey. Okay. But you ain't going to go with no other tight end than me talking about you ain't that. If you want to say Gronk, if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you not back.

32:11I ain't finna fight you. But you ain't gonna go no more. You ain't gonna go no more. Because when I left, every record that a tight end could have, I had it. Catches, yards, touchdowns, most yards of the game. Hey, so hold on. Now that you mentioned that, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor in Asandi's case? or it doesn't matter. Just curious.

32:41Shannon Sharpe:He had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions. How many pick 60s did he have? All I know is when I left the game, I had every record that a tight end could possibly have. Ain't nobody had them but me. Now, they done came along and broke them. Gonzo broke them and Gaze did this and Gronk and this and that. But I don't know why he mad at me. I gave him a compliment. Yeah. I said he had an outstanding career. I said the T-step for him served him well. I like the convo. I like the dialogue. I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game. I wish we could dive a little bit more.

33:25I'm obviously not here on the show. I'm just asking you, find a general manager, find a head coach, find a receiver, because he talking like he was that. he might I guarantee you when you find somebody that say he'll top 10 a top 10 cornerback if we go back and study history top 10 corner so we got time we got Revis we got Mel Blunt we got Rod Wilson we got Darrell Green we got Anil's Williams we got Mel Blunt okay that's seven right there where are we where are we going to put him in the list of all time and the history of the NFL is he cracking the top 10

34:16that's your homeboy he from Florida I want you to tell me you tell me where would you put him I'm asking you I just named seven guys which one of those seven guys are you putting him in front of um You heard me? Yeah, I'm listening. I'm asking you. Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You putting him in front of Champ? You ain't answer the question. Are you putting him in front of Champ? You heard me?

34:51I'm listening, yeah. Where would you put him? No, I asked you. I asked you. I asked you the questions. Yes! No, I'm asking you. Where are you ranking?

35:03Shannon Sharpe:based on what you call. I just asked this man a simple question. I gave him seven, eight names. He talking about where would I rank him. I asked you. Go ahead. I get it. You're going to probably bump into him. Hold on, hold on. But at some point in time. Hey, hold on. It don't matter who I bump into. Okay, well, you got it in front of the guys that I mentioned. But he addressed you. Why are you asking me the question? He addressed you, so I'm asking you where do you rank him. I already done said it. He's not in front of time. He's not in front of Revis. He's not in front of Rod Woodson. He's not in front of Charles Woodson.

35:36He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Nils Williams. He's not in front of a champ, Bailey. That's seven. That's seven guys. Okay. Now you, who is he in front of? Is he top 10 all time in the history? Dick Nitrate Lane, Emile Tunnel. Is he in?

36:00hey hey I'm just asking he got all these facts who is he in front of I tell you what who is he in front of of the list that I just named

36:20you name all time like all-time. He talking like he all-time great. That's the problem. Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about, he talking about, you talking about all-time great. The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line. Time it. Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year. Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year. Rod Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys. But number two, one is at the front of the line. he talking like he in that group there are groups look we go into a room in the hall of fame okay we go into a room we all into a room but there are certain guys at certain tables we in the room but we not at that table he not even in the room he on the outside hey y 'all know I played right yeah but this for big dog

37:22Keep it a stack. So I want Chad, y 'all tell me of the guys that I list, who he better than. I ain't mentioned Pat P. I ain't mentioned Richard Sherman yet. I just gave y 'all a couple of names. I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed. Who y 'all put him in front of, Chad? Y 'all put him in front of Dion? Y 'all put him in front of Revis? Y 'all put him in front of Charles Woodson? Rod Woodson? y 'all putting him in front of Mel Blunt who are y 'all putting Champ Bailey who are y 'all putting him in front of Asante Samuel who

38:05hold on I'm trying to see I'm trying to see what the chat talking about no I want you to see what the chat talking about you played against him what you talking about you played against Charles Woodson you played against Pat P you played against Sherm Who are you putting him in front of? I ain't playing against Sherm, but I did my thing everywhere I went. You hear me? It was like Halloween. If I knock on the door, I'm coming to get some candy. I'm asking you a simple question. Of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of?

38:44I wouldn't say in front of because you mentioned the greats. but he has the numbers to be in the room. I know that much. And you base everything off numbers. When you talk about, let me finish. Before you say anything, when you talk about MJ, in comparison to Michael Jordan, when it comes to basing any other sport, we always bring up the numbers. But all of a sudden, the numbers are ignored when it comes to now talking about the dude. In comparison. He got four Pro Bowls. Hold on, the dude got four Pro Bowls. Listen to me, I'm not finished. Okay. But again, now we understand, but when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know, we do everything with numbers.

39:25I'll tell you what, guess what? You have a former coach. Your former coach had three Pro Bowls and 62 picks. You taking Dick LeBeau? Oh, hey, what you know about LeBeau? Hey, you like numbers. Hey, what you know about LeBeau? What? What you know about Dave? You just told me numbers. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right? Yeah. Okay, numbers. Okay, let's go all pros. Let's go pro bowls. Let's go all decade. Let's go defensive player of the year. Right, right. That's part of numbers also, just not picks. Okay, okay. See, I look at it like this. If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, what have you done?

40:10Okay, I see what you're doing. I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up.

40:21that's a great combo I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who is he better than than the list I renamed now we're going to have, guess what

40:31Shannon Sharpe:let's have the conversation, hopefully Lord spare both of our lives we're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years I'm going to need to see a gold jacket on his back because all the guys that I've been to now hey, Jalen Ramsey's going to be coming up Richard Sherman's going to be coming up Pat P's going to be coming up. You see, what he trying to do, oh, it's all about marketing. Bro, you played on the Patriots. Ty Law played on the Patriots. Ty Law got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing. Who was on TV more than the Patriots, Ocho? Oh, during that 20-year run?

41:07During that time. Who? Yeah. Oh, so now it's marketing. Time ain't no marketing, bro. Yeah, he marketed himself to know how to parlay that, but that man on the field, you better go check them tapes.

41:23Either you can or you can't. That's a great conversation, bro. That's a good one there. Oh, Willie Brown, Mike Haynes. Mike Haynes got nine, like nine Pro Bowls. You better go check.

41:38That's a great convo. Let me grab me a water.

41:40Shannon Sharpe:Asante, go ahead, bro. Asante, you had a great career, bro. You're a good player. You just said, all I said, you weren't tired. And you had to get personal.

41:56I don't know why. I mean, if you wanted to come on Nightcap to get your name out there, you could have did that. Hey. Hey, listen. That is a great combo, boy. You hear me? It's a great combo. What's a great combo? This one? I like this. I just obviously it's not me as the individual but I'm just saying that's why in his prime is he better than Stephon Gilmore I mean at some point hey Chad don't y 'all want Ocho to chime in instead of just talking about this is a great combo he ain't saying nothing about the man I'm listening to you you tell me this is nightcap Unc and Ocho we don't listen to each other we go back and forth I've been chiming in I've been chiming in all the time I'm listening to you now listen He addressed Shannon Sharp.

42:48He sent a long message to Shannon Sharp. So I'm just listening to what you're saying. Hold on. Where did he address Shannon Sharp? What was Shannon Sharp speaking on? On him? On Nightcap. Nightcap. Unc and Ocho. Right. So it's your job to answer back. I get it. Y 'all see Ocho don't want to chime in. He from Florida. Ocho might bump into it. Y 'all know me. I don't give a damn. I mean, what is bumping in having to do anything? See, here's the problem. Here's the thing with Shannon Sharp. Whatever Shannon Sharp say on night cap, Shannon Sharp, if he bumped into said player, Shannon Sharp is man enough to stand on that.

43:25Bro, you not time. You not Charles Woodson. You not Rod Woodson. You not Darrell Revis. You not Mel Blunt. You not Mike Haynes. You not Darryl Green. You not. Facts. Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that says Asante Samuel is better than any of those guys.

43:53See, the way you make it sound, see, you're being mean. How am I being mean? Ocho. Ocho. You hear how you make it sound? you make it sound like Buddy was trash or something. I didn't say he was trash. I'm just saying the way you talking. You acting like we just sitting here talking about some old bum. I'm just curious. Ocho.

44:25Shannon Sharpe:Who can I say? Listen, I played the game. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick. I played the game on the other side of the ball. So I know. I played against Prime. I played against Zant. I have an understanding of both and how good they were at what they oh hold on, great as Prime was and how good Zant was. So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the way you doing, when I saw it with my own eyes. I understand how great Prime is, but then I know what that young bull was doing as well when he was playing.

45:05all I said

45:06Shannon Sharpe:I said he was good I said he was a very good player had an unbelievable career look how you said it he used the technique he used the technique that time doesn't approve of two things can be true yes sir okay some guys like to play press and open the gate. Some guys like to press and put hands. Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats saying, look at our stats. Right. So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent. And I said, he's not. I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls. I think he was an All-Pro.

45:56I know he won Super Bowls in New England. That's what I said. Right. He took offense that I didn't co-sign him. I don't need no marketing. I don't need to co-sign him. I think everybody's known.

46:13Shannon Sharpe:I didn't have an opportunity to critique time when he played, when he went back for those two years, because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player. I critique Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you name a player, Ray Lewis, receivers, T.O., Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my not intimate knowledge of the game and film study. When I was at CBS, I would watch film. How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, when you ever heard a guy call and talk about, Shanna Sharp don't know what the hell he's talking about?

46:55Shannon Sharpe:No, that ain't going to happen. See what y 'all trying to do. Well, you're doing the same. That's not what I said. Nope, nope. I've never said, I've never, see, the difference is, Skip tried to say I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well. Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a quarterback? Okay, right, right, right. I would need to compare myself to Gronk, to Kelsey, or a tight end. That's the only way you can get an equivalent.

47:28I said, I said, Asante had a great career. Pro Bowls, Super Bowls. Now, guy, like I said, you want to say, Sheldon, you ain't Trav. You ain't Gronk. You right. You got me. Right. You got me. but I'm I'm just confused but look bro I gave I gave you 15 minutes of fame fame that you never would have got had you not mentioned me or time enjoy it now go back to your solitary life nobody's gonna when was the last I tell you what Ocho when was the last time prior to last night when was the last time you heard I heard somebody mention Asante Samuel.

48:29Take your time, I'm gonna go get me some water. Take your time. Hey, Chad, y 'all keep on with your interest. Hey, anyway, Chad, we back. Unk, he's a little upset. He's a little upset. Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it. I like the dialogue. I like the back and forth. I like players also, what we always talk about, having a belief, not only a belief in what you can do and what you've already done, and bringing it to the forefront. Bring it to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great. And that's okay. Now, a lot of people won't see it that way, as you can see, including none.

49:11One thing I always do, see, is if you were bad at what you do, then I will always come out and say that. But I played against both. And I understand how good both were. I understand how great Prime was. Obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante during his Prime and understanding how good he was, how much of a student of the game he was. And what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding, watching film I'm here and understanding how good he was and how savvy he was technically. So it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how good he was.

49:52So it's hard to say, oh, he's not. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years. So it's different. It's different. You know, especially in a lot of a lot of people in the chat of some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be. Their feelings are always different as well, because it's based off who, you know, and what they've done. Hey, that was good.

50:20Shannon Sharpe:I just ask you a simple question. Which one? Proud of last night and today. When was the last time you heard somebody mention Asante Samuel? I'm supposed to know. I'm I be on nightcap. Every time a tight end break a record, who record they set up there? The most 150-yard game. The most lost this. The most that. Every Sunday in the NFL season when the tight end does something, who name is up there? When they have them named, he just passed this one. Who name is also up there? Ocho?

50:55Ocho?

51:02Don't worry about Ocho. Hey, Chad. All I try to do, I try to, you know, try to go back and forth, but Ocho, you know, Ocho's like, hey. We did go back and forth. That was a good one, though. No, you're laughing. I'm saying, for real, that was a good one. I don't... That was a good one.

51:26Shannon Sharpe:We got to start to talk about what happened, not only yesterday, last night, Ocho, you and I were at Lambeau Field for the first round of the draft. But today, rounds two and three has passed, and Shadour Sanders hasn't been selected. 102 picks, five quarterbacks selected. Cam Ward went number one overall. No surprise there. We knew that once he had his workout, they canceled all other official visits. That told me everything I needed to know. Boom. Now, Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, Jalen Milrow, Dylan Gabriel. Now, for context, I want to provide context. That's what we like to do here. Daniel Jeremiah has Shadour, the second-ranked quarterback, four days ago.

52:16Shannon Sharpe:Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player. Shadour was the 20th best overall player. Jackson Dart, the 36th overall best player. Tyler Shook, 75th overall best player. Jalen Milrow, 86th. Dylan Gabriel, 148th. Mel Kuyper Jr., the guru, just four days ago, had Shadour ranked over Cam Ward. He had Shadour as the 5th best player. Cam Ward as the 6th best player. Jackson Dart as the 28th best player. Tyler Shook, 46. Pro football focus had him second behind Cam Ward just yesterday morning. But we saw today Cam Ward went first. The Giants traded back into the first round, Ocho, to take Jackson Dart at 25th.

53:08Shannon Sharpe:Tyler Shook went 40 to the Saints, and we thought there, Chido could possibly be nine, go nine to the Saints there. Nope, they take Tyler Shook. Jalen Milrow, 92nd overall to the Seattle Seahawks. And Dylan Gabriel, 94th to the Browns. Now, they were talking about, well, Shadour Arm, you know, you're outside in Cleveland. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Don't start that shit. No, nope, nope, nope. No, I'm just saying, give me a second. Give me a second, Ocho. Baltimore outside, Pittsburgh outside, Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see where Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than Shadour's. I could be wrong.

53:49Shannon Sharpe:I could be. I could be. But I don't know. And I know I'm going to turn it over to you, Ocho, because I know Joe got questions. I'm going to turn them over to you. I'm going to say this before I do, Ocho. In all my years that I go back to, like, really following the draft and understanding where players are going, getting drafted back in 87. In almost 40 years, I've never seen anything like this. Yeah. uncle. I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously, I know I only played a short time, but I've been around long enough to know. Obviously, the year, the 11, 12 years I did play, and all the time I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how good players are, regardless of what scouts may say.

54:30The eye in the sky doesn't lie. I watched Adore play from high school to college at Jackson State to what he was able to do at Colorado. I want everybody to understand that you're never bigger than the program. You'll never be bigger than the program no matter who you are. And they will show you. They will always remind you at any given time, if at any point you think you are bigger than the program. And that is all we're seeing right now. Joe, that is all we're seeing right now, regardless of who you are. there's some things I think Prime might have said I don't want to quote it but he said it's similar to there's some places I don't want to go we're not going to go what Archie Manning said when it came to Eli same thing no different anyway I got something today I really want to read Chad I want you to listen to me real quick I'm not here to stir up I'm happy for everybody that got drafted I want you to listen to something that was sent to me on Instagram chat.

55:35Y 'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very, very closely. What we are witnessing once again is the machinery of a system that has never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less than a free black family. The NFL, with all this pageantry and power, find itself uncomfortable, even threatened, when the likes of the Sanders family walk into a room, not asking for a seat at the table, but daring to bring their own. Dion Shador, this family, has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them. And so the machine does what it has always done. It seeks to diminish, to distort, to remind them and us that there is still a place for black folk and it's not at the head of the table.

56:25But the tragedy, you see, is not in their refuges to bow but is in the nation's fear of black excellence unchained. The fear that has always been the real danger, not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid, and unapologetically ourselves.

56:49Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I was talking to my sister. She said, well, you think she'd do her? I said, Libby, I'm going to be honest with you. if he don't go in the second round, I think he might slide out of the third. It's all a game. It's all a game. Look, Ocho, your draft story, my brother's draft story was a lot different than mine. My brother didn't have to wait long. First round, seventh pick, boom, he gone. On the plane to Green Bay, boom. You, second round. Hey, with red flags, with character issues, school to school, bouncing over and over. Why'd he go here? Why'd he go here? Bad. Still, second round. We taking a chance on him.

57:38There ain't no off the field issues with Shadour. No issues, no nothing. Oh, he's arrogant. Oh, he's cocky. I have a question. What was Johnny Manziel? Oh, give you one better. Baker Mayfield. what was Baker Mayfield okay now now what I will say when it comes to college and you watch film that motherfucker oops I'm sorry Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield boy they played what they were absolutely awesome yes but again you can't take away what Shadour was able to do at a Denver Colorado team that won one game they come back the next year with Shadour and win four and I'm not sure what they were four or five I think they won five and then the next year

58:20Shannon Sharpe:I think they win nine yeah I heard, what did I hear, Ocho? I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match his game. So in other words, he does a lot of talking, and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado. What? Hey, Ocho, so my question is, do y 'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what did we do? We threw three rounds already? Ooh, Lord, have mercy, Joe. I mean, look, that's what I started thinking. I'm like, hold on. How did he keep skipping? I'm only watching. I'm trying to see two get drafted. I'm like, hold on. Yeah. I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round.

59:02Yeah.

59:03Shannon Sharpe:Because here's the, Ocho, OK, let me ask you this. Teams that needed a quarterback, what did they do? They took a quarterback in the second or the third round. Yeah. Well, if you already took a quarterback in the second or third round, what's the likelihood you're taking a quarterback in the fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh round? Mm-hmm. So now you're telling me the people that you did pick in the second or third round, you feel they're better than Shador. So at what point does he come on a team as I'm not even going to mention anything about free agency. What if they prove a point in making way to the seven?

59:36It's possible, Ojo. What point are they trying to prove? Especially at this point, Joe, I've never ever seen anything like this. I'm not talking about black and white. I ain't talking about none of that. I'm talking about based on what I've seen on film with my own eyes, compared to other quarterbacks outside of Cam Ward, what are we looking at? I'm not a scout. I'm not a GM, but I do have common sense that I do understand and know the game. You're not telling me everybody that has drafted before him, what are we talking about? Again, I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:00:14I'm just saying. We're not trying to diminish anybody. We're trying to make light up.

1:00:18Shannon Sharpe:We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing with Shadour. Because I think the thing is, what's, Ocho, if there is an injury that we didn't know about, we saw Will Howard, the cornerback out of what you call him. He had a propensity when they gave him the scan. They say he has a high risk for a knee injury. So he slid down. Okay, if there's a red flag that we don't know about, but I don't, the guy got great. He was on, I think, the honor roll. I think he had a great GPA. He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling.

1:01:00Like I said, Ocho, you and I don't know, excuse me, what those 32 teams and how they view him.

1:01:09Shannon Sharpe:You know, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You think that's good? I don't think that bad. You like red? I like black. You like this, I like that. So I don't know. I don't know. Based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this, and it's their opinion, it's subjective, but nobody, I don't think anybody really has Shadour past Cam Ward's, like Mel Kiper has Shadour one as far as quarterback. Most everybody had him two behind Cam Ward. But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop, and guys, I mean, some guys had Dylan Gabriel, where they had him ranked, the 148th best player.

1:01:54Shannon Sharpe:Mill Road, the 86th best player. Tyler Shilt, 75th. Shadour almost never got past the 20th best player in the draft. He was 20th on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board. and he's a day three possible. Well, that's it. It's day three. So you get one, two, and then you go, you know, rounds four through seven. Listen, I've never seen collusion like this before. Ever. I've never seen it. And you know what it is. Let's call a spade a spade. For those that are watching, for those that are in the chat, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those that were drafted before him.

1:02:35I'm just saying based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of football and what I've watched throughout the years, especially from that specific position. Now, the only thing I can say, the only red flag for them, it's his approach to the game and his confidence. I'm assuming that they don't like that, but how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels? How do you not want a player that believes in himself and his skill set and what he's done and worked his ass off to get to? That could be the only thing, but that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players that have come before him that approached the same game with that same demeanor and same attitude and belief similar to him.

1:03:11So to me, it really makes no sense. But again, nothing. And they will always time and time remind us in certain instances that you will never be bigger than the machine or the program. And that's all this is. That's all it comes down to.

1:03:24Shannon Sharpe:And it could be a good thing for him too. You know what I mean? If he do get an opportunity, he carried that chip on his shoulder, man. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. For all the doubters, the naysayers, the people who didn't believe in him, the teams who continue to pass up on him. You know what I mean? You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro. You know, you let them know what's up. So, I don't know. It could be a blessing in disguise. Yeah. But people that were Tom Brady, he went in the sixth round. But Tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as Shadour. Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career, except the last six, seven games of his senior season.

1:04:01Right, right.

1:04:02Shannon Sharpe:So, that's the difference. And like I said, Tom Brady turned out to be what Tom Brady turned out to be. I had a very similar story to Shadour because people were like, well, if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D1 school? Well, with my grades, I couldn't have got into JUCO. Only place I could get into because there was no, you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a Division II school as you did a Division I. Because my year, Ocho, 1986, it would have it. That was the first year of Prop 48. Yeah. So you had to make 700. Remember I told you my credit score by four?

1:04:38Yeah. That was also my SAT score, by four. Now they give you 100 to put your name on the thing. I don't know. I might have got that wrong. You know what I'm saying, Joe? I might have left the E off. I might have left the E off on my own name. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Joe. Hey, don't hold me to that now. Don't hold me. I'm laughing with you, because I was a prop 48

1:04:56Shannon Sharpe:when I went to college, too. I didn't have my SAT score. And you know, it was challenging, bro. You know, I went to SAT. We didn't take the SAT. We took the ACT. And you know back then, Ocho, you know, I played a game that Friday night. And then my sister drive me to Georgia Southern to take that test. And they're passing out them tests. And I'm looking at all those students. They writing. I'm just sitting there like, I don't know nothing on here. Listen, you know what's funny? Listen, I ain't even got no business laughing. I don't even have no business laughing. Because you got to understand, I I had my red flags and my character issues going to the league because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school.

1:05:38You got to understand, I graduated from BTI. Hell, I ain't even graduated from goddamn high school a long time. McGravee was so bad. Listen, Joe, Joe, don't laugh, Joe. I swear to God, listen, we family. We family, we can talk, man. We can talk, we family. I got you, I got you. My dream, my dream was I wanted to go to FAMU. So I'm coming out of high school. I told my grandma, I said, Mama, I want to go down to FAMU right there in Tallahassee. My grandma say, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. It's not looking good for you. I'm going to give you options on where you might be able to go, but it definitely ain't going to be a fan of you.

1:06:07I ended up at Langston University. NIA school, obviously, I'm sure we have some people in the chat from Oklahoma. Ended up at Langston University. Get there the first semester. I get thrown out for fighting, Joe. I get thrown out for fighting. Man, I never forget. Rest his soul. Dr. Ernest Holloway, rest in peace. Ship me back to Miami. I come to my grandma. I told my grandma what happened. Look, you know, my roommate, I think my roommate stole my pale grand money. My grandma say, listen, baby, I've done all I can with you. I washed my hands. I got to send you to your mama out there in L.A. Let me see what she could do with you.

1:06:44That's how I ended up at Santa Monica College. 1997 with Steve Smith. Boom. That's two years down. So I played with Steve that first year. Lo and behold, here I go again. Not going to class. I'm thinking, you know, I'm a skill set. It's going to get me through the door. Man, them people don't play that Out there in Santa Monica Oh no, hey Joe, I'm ineligible The third year So I gotta sit out the third year So that's three years down I'm at Southwest doing classes I'm at West LA doing classes And I'm doing classes at Santa Monica Just to get my grades together so I can play in 1999 That's four years I go out there, I get my stuff together I have one for one scholarship I had two schools offer me A full ride, one for one San Diego State Aztecs and Coach Dennis Erickson, he was at Oregon State.

1:07:34Man, hey, Joe, I squeezed through the crack. I got to Oregon State, man. All I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage. That's to show them folks I could play football. That's it. Once I got to Oregon State, man, I played. I was there four months. I ain't go to NAND class. I ain't go to no classes. Hey, I already know. You already know what it was. Yeah, this is my last shot. My singular focus was straight football. Hey, Joe, I showed out at Oregon State that little one, that little four months I had. And I got drafted in the second round, despite all my issues and all my troubles, all my off the field stuff, I haven't looked right since.

1:08:12They asked me, they say, well,

1:08:15Shannon Sharpe:Shannon, you're great. Where the rest of them? I said, these ain't looking too good. And the ones that come in tomorrow ain't going to look much better. I don't know what y 'all are. Oh, Joe, I don't know what y 'all hoping for. This is all I got for you. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Listen, my freshman year in college, Ojo and Auk, I was proud of 48, so I couldn't play the first semester. Yeah. As a freshman, I can go to the games. I got to sit in the stands. I got to watch the dudes. I got to watch my homies grind out there. You know what I mean? I can't compete. I'm like, so it built up a fire in me.

1:08:48Shannon Sharpe:So when I did get eligible, I just took it out on everybody in the SEC. Right. You know what I mean? So sometimes when things get delayed a little bit, you can must up some fire to continue. You can must up some fire that when you get out there, you can let them know what's up. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. That's why when it goes back to Shadour, man, you know, wherever he goes, bro, I'm sure he'll be happy and hopefully he wore that chip, man. He'll let them know what's up. Get back in that lab. You're absolutely right. And the funny thing about it too, Unk, wherever Shadour come, wherever he goes, I love the saying it's not where you get drafted, it's what you do once you get there.

1:09:33Absolutely. I understand the competitor that he is. And wherever he goes, whoever, and wherever he goes, if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is going to kick in and there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever odds or collusion they have against dad. when he gets his chance, he's going to show him. I know that. Just the competitor in him, he's not going to hold his head. He's not going to let it down. He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door and he closed it behind him, after they playing the game they played these past two days, man, child, please.

1:10:20Man.

1:10:21Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Like I said, Ochoa, I went through something very similar, and I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds, and I said, Spank, I went to the East-West Shrine game. I went to the Blue-Gray. I went to the Combine. I said, man, them guys that they drafted ain't better than me. I said, they not better than me, Spank. I said, I saw them. I said, all of them. I said, I went to the East-West Shrine game, and I was the best receiver there. I said, all I want is an opportunity. Give me a helmet and some shoulder pads.

1:10:55Shannon Sharpe:And, hey, whoever comes, hey, I'm going to throw all y 'all ass in the water. Whoever swim back to shore, that's who get it. Yeah, I like that. That's it. And what about the reports? What about the reports? Now, this has happened. Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine. Yeah, but he threw at his pro day. At his pro day. Yeah, there have been a lot of guys that don't throw. Because I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me. I'm familiar with them. Because it's not like you're not going to bring a guy in on a Sunday and he hadn't thrown to those guys. So, A, I want to see how I know how my guys run routes.

1:11:34Shannon Sharpe:They know how I throw the ball. Boom, it's a perfect marriage. Because I want everybody to look good and possibly, Ocho. There might be some guys, if I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what? The scouts are not going to come to see them because everybody's not going to be a first or second round pick. Might be some guys get picked up as a free agent. So I want to cast them in a good light. Yeah. I just look. It's tough and nothing. When you're going through something, you have people that you're going to be all right. At that point in time, Mocho, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see all I can see with what's in front of me.

1:12:14Shannon Sharpe:because it takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances. All I can see is right here. No. Not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be. It's tough. It's tough. and I heard what you said and you know and like I said I heard people say well I mean he really extremely confident but his game doesn't match the confidence coach prime whatever look and I I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position where prime was there so I don't know how I wouldn't you know guys I don't I don't want to make this team's going to, Ocho, you and I played this game.

1:13:11Shannon Sharpe:We've covered this game and we've been around this game a long time. These teams are going to do what the hell they want to do. Now they done told y 'all, y 'all ain't going to make a have this guy a quarterback or this guy the coach. We going to do what the F we want to do. They're going to select who they want to select. And they believe that, hey, we believe the guy, and they'll tell you, we believe Dylan Brooks is better than Shadour. We believe Jackson Dart. We believe Shook. We believe Milrow. We believe their upside is better than Shadour. How do we prove that it's not? I mean, Dylan Gabriel did throw for, had like 150, I mean, he got what, 16, 17 ,000 yards?

1:13:55Shannon Sharpe:He got 130, 140 plus touchdowns? I don't know, but I'm just saying. It's

1:14:06Shannon Sharpe:I just I don't know what I chat I'm at a loss I normally would be able to have give you a good give you a good excuse or good reason I don't like to use the word excuse I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid I have some intel red flag even though I won't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, hint around and then I let you deduce it for yourself. Oh, y 'all don't got nothing. I don't got nothing that's not about grades. He doesn't have a pre-existing condition. He doesn't have... Oh, the character issue that he has, he's extremely confident. He believes in himself.

1:14:45Shannon Sharpe:Which is, I think, one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence of belief in you. Because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will, Joe? Nobody. You always got to believe in yourself. in the upmost. All those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there. No coaches saw it. No other players. I did this. I believed in me. I believed that I was prepared for something greater. Even though the circumstances that I was in currently, look, I mean, it should tell you something. Yes, his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches. He was with Braden. He had a throwing coach.

1:15:21Shannon Sharpe:Whatever the case may be. Isn't that what parents are supposed to do? put their kids in the best situation so they can succeed. So why would I, if I had the opportunity to put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed, nah, I'm not going to do that. I want you to get it out the mud like I did. What kind of sense does that make? None at all. Listen, you don't need 2020 vision. Those in the chat, even if you don't like Shador, those in the chat, even if you don't like Prime, if you have common sense and you've been watching and seeing what's going on, you know what it is at this point.

1:16:03You know exactly what it is. I mean, it doesn't need to be said. Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before, if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before Shador at the quarterback position, even if you feel they are better, even if you do, you still know what it is. And if you don't, you're just being purposely, you're purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against, you know, the Santa's family. This has never, ever, ever, ever, ever been done. Ever been done.

1:16:31Shannon Sharpe:I've never seen it. And people saying he's not good and he can't play at the next level. Like, like, stop, man. Stop. You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons. But all of a sudden, he's, come on now. Come on. Shaduri even got prank called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer. Man, whoever did this, man, y 'all some clowns, bro. I don't know. Man. I don't even know why you would do that. I mean, at that moment, guys on edge, and you're just hoping that you get a call. I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get.

1:17:15Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Obviously, you want to get it as early as you possibly can, but just somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys? Come on, man. Sean Payne says he's very surprised Shadour hasn't been drafted yet. There will be this chip on his shoulder. There will be this chip on his shoulder. And beware, because this guy is going to play in this league. Shadour is in good spirits. Have to not get it drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes. I got faith in God no matter what. Yeah.

1:17:46Damn, that's crazy.

1:17:47Shannon Sharpe:Check this out. Tyler Shook was Justin Herbert's backup. he's eight days older than Trevor Lawrence, was a freshman at Oregon with Bo Bo. He turns 26 when the seasons start, and he's had three seasons that ended in injury. So now you talk about, what y 'all remember, I said, does he have an injury history? Does he have red flags that we don't know about? Right. Here's a guy that's about to be 26, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury.

1:18:28Shannon Sharpe:All I've said, y 'all, chat, take and do with that whatever you like. I think it's right. I think we have to, Ocho and I, when we talk sports, when we talk, we have to give you context. This is, okay, this guy went here. Because I'm trying to explain, well, Shannon, maybe he has a pre-existing condition. Maybe there's a character issue off the field. maybe he has some kind of a problem we don't know but we know one guy is about to be 26 i don't know about you ocho but when i got drafted i was 22 i don't i don't even know how old i was i was 22 i turned i as a matter of fact i got drafted in april i was 21 when i got drafted i turned 22 in june this guy's about to turn 26

1:19:14Shannon Sharpe:it's there's nothing we can do we can just talk about it and then hope Shadour makes the best of it Joe let me ask you this what's the equivalent of something like this happening in the NBA do you know a player that was rated extremely high and not only did he fall out supposed to be a lottery pick maybe a top five lottery pick slid all the way out of the first round slid all the way out of the second round because they only have two rounds in the NBA and ended up having to become an NBA free agent? The one person I can really remember is probably Rashad Lewis. Him sitting in the green room because you know that person to the draft and I think he was probably the last one in the green room and I think he thought he was going lottery and I think he ended up going in the second round.

1:20:01Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Yeah, that's tough, bro. Like I couldn't imagine that. Like it's already anxiety from being in there. They told me I was going to be a top 10 pick on Conocho. So I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there, look, even though, you know, people, people have made promises and all that. But I'm like, man, you never know, bro. You know, right. You know what I mean? So, but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting, getting a chance to shake David Stern's hand. Just a memorable moment for me. And man, I remember it like it was yesterday, bro. But yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know nobody who's kind of got left back there like that, but it's got to be a tough feeling.

1:20:43Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? And look, Rashad had a great career from there, bro. He probably still wears that chip on his shoulder to this day. You're probably right. When you look at, I mean, Thurman Thomas, Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he was going to be a first-round pick. He goes in the second round. Thurman's in the Hall of Fame. He won the MVP. in I think 91. So,

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