BEST OF 2025 Part 2: Ocho vs Cam'ron, Shedeur Sanders FALLS to the Browns

23:22Right. That makes your job a little bit easier. that are a little bit better at their position than those that he's playing with tonight. What you think going to happen?

23:32Shannon Sharpe:Well, they can try to move the goalpost, but I ain't trying to kick a field goal or PAT, so I'm going to score anyway. And Shadour Sanders scored tonight. I'm going to give credit where it's due, 14 to 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks. Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things. Yeah, it's the Sam's strong safety blitz. Problem like, you know what? But it looked like he was telling the guy, bro, I need you to hook up on that. you're probably not going to be able to outrun the safety. Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer because he can outrun the safety.

24:01Shannon Sharpe:Josh Allen, same thing. That's not Shadour. Shadour is not a mobile quarterback. He's going to do all – the majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket, Ocho. Right. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism. That's not what he's known for. Go ahead, Ocho. This is the thing. When he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket, He has great pocket presence, huh? Being able to move and being able to not telegraph but understand when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get up out of there. Right. He can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks.

24:40What about the third down, huh? The third down, we scrambled. The D-line ran a stunt. He was able to get outside of it.

24:49Shannon Sharpe:You know what I like the most? He saw the stunt and took off immediately. Yes. Yes. That's what I like, Ocho. That's what I like. Oh, I don't know who's supposed to go first. I don't know who's supposed to eat or who's supposed to eat. I don't know who's supposed to eat. But I tell you what, I'm gone. I'm gone, yeah. I tell you what, y 'all figure it out in film study tomorrow. But in the meantime, I'm about to pick up the first down.

25:18Shannon Sharpe:He's played himself. He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four. Because here's the fact, Ocho, Mike Schoen told us something very, very interesting. He says, you can lose your job because of injury. Because let me tell you what's going to happen. If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured, it's his job now. Ask yourself, was Dylan Gabriel, before he got hurt, was he playing better than what you saw Shadur Sanders do tonight? Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question. Was he playing better than what Shadour played tonight?

25:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. So if you're going to honestly answer those questions, okay. Right. And the thing about it, what people need to understand, for those that are in the chat, it's one thing to have joint practices. It's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players. Yes. Everything is scripted, aren't you? Everything is scripted, even defensively, in those joint practices at time because there's certain things they want to work on defensively and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively. When you get into the game, nothing, nothing is shared from team to team.

26:33No. So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game. You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is execute it. in its simplest form, as simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective in the way the players are called. And he did that tonight to a hell of a job, one hell of a job tonight. And this is just something to continue to build off of. Clean up. There were some mistakes, obviously. There are going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at. And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks. Obviously, it's the preseason.

27:09Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know, cover tool. Sometimes he might throw in, you know, man.

27:16Shannon Sharpe:Don't count the plays, Ocho. Make the plays count. Yeah. Oh, and listen, he made him count tonight. That's what you have to do when you're a low-round draft pick, Ocho. Me being a... No, Mark. Being a low-round draft pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high-round draft pick's going to get. So don't go out there thinking that. But when it's your time, shine. Yes. You got to. When it's your time, shine. And that Hey, you say I don't count time. I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays. As my brother used to say, hey, I know you didn't get that many reps. Keep your head up. Because one day John Elway going to call for you.

27:52Shannon Sharpe:He going to look for you. You need to make sure you're ready. You need to make sure you're where you're supposed to be. Right. Shadour didn't get a whole lot of reps. But when opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is. It's when preparation meets opportunity. Amundsen said some call it luck. I'm glad you just said what you just said. You just said Shadour didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice. But he got into a game, and what did he do, huh? Right. But the reps that he did get in practice, he made those count. Because a lot of times, I've seen it. I don't know if you've seen it on show.

28:27Shannon Sharpe:I've seen guys, man, I ain't getting no burn, man. I can't. Right. And then when you get out there, you effing up. You fucking up. Yeah. My bad. Shadour says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with the threes and fours. Right. I got to make these counts. This has got to be my best work of the day. Because you know why, Ocho? It might be my only work of the day. So if it's my only, it's got to be my best. Because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape. They see me standing behind. And you know, hey, I'm being part of a good throw, a good catch, good run, good job offensive line, good play call coach.

29:03Shannon Sharpe:But at the end of the day, I need to get an opportunity to show you what I can do. And when the opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is. preparation meet an opportunity. Robinson said some call it luck. Hey, listen, I'm happy for Young Bull. I'm happy for Young Bull. This is one of the few times, I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited, excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland Browns game. Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs? Did you see all that Ocho? A Cleveland Browns game. On the road. Cleveland don't travel like that, trust me.

29:38Shannon Sharpe:I was in the same division with the Jokers. And guess what? We used to play them. Same. Same. They didn't travel like that. Yeah. And they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time. Yeah. So, listen, tonight we saw a very small sample size. We saw a very small sample size of what Shador Sanders can look like. The fact that he played with the twos, with threes, maybe against twos and threes. Yeah, for sure. I say this to say that. what happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense right and you and you guess what and you go and you game plan i'm just calling plays arbitrarily ocho that's it that's all i do tonight i'm not game planning i'm not game planning because we normally game plan game three right we go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan that's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down second down third down third and short third and long disc down and distance area of the field first and go second and go third and go now we're calling plays not just to arbitrarily call plays we're calling plays with a purpose for a purpose and eventually they're going to get to that um but i was impressed look i understand it's the preseason yeah but for someone that didn't get as many reps right made the reps that he did get he made them count in practice and when he got his opportunity.

31:03Shannon Sharpe:When an opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom Brady, the opportunity presented itself. Which is, hey, when the rubber meet the what? When the rubber meet the road, man. And so, Shador, he should be proud of himself. Yes. Him being who he is, raised how he was raised. You're supposed to say reared. I guess you raise livestock and animals. But anyway, being raised how he was raised, he's not going to be, he's not going to be, he's not going to get, he's not going to get too high, Ocho, because guess what? Yeah. Even keel. Yeah. You got to stay even keel. You know why? Because not only having to deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing, but now you got to deal with the noise on the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week, saying that wasn't my pick.

31:54Yeah. That wasn't my pick. That's not who I wanted. Thank you, Mr. Hazlitt.

31:58Shannon Sharpe:How you doing, Mr. Hazlitt? Make sure Andrew Barry gets all the credit. Like you said, Brother Hazem, don't smile. Don't even say anything start with S. He said. Don't even say shh. Don't even say shh. The audacity. Don't you say itch. The nerve, the gall. I'm appalled. Well, I'm a David. I'm going to say it one more time. And this is for everybody in the chat. Even if you don't like Shador, even if you don't like him, how do you watch film, college film on Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what? No, I'm a pass up on him.

32:41That's not the guy I want. Right. New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what other teams that were in need of a quarterback. How do you do it? I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding I have an eye. I have an eye. I played the game for a very long time at a very high level. I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in situations that are not advantageous for you. I just saw a young fella win at Jackson State, turn a Colorado program around that won one game. Regardless of what his record was in its totality, 23 and 12, whatever it may have been, I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him.

33:27I know what he can do. He's a winner, regardless of what situation you put him in.

33:32Shannon Sharpe:And he showed it again tonight, yet again tonight with his back up against the wall. Yeah. He just has the demeanor to be a quarterback. Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high. He doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence in himself. And most quarter, most the good ones really do, no matter how bad. and we've seen it no matter how bad it might be going the really good ones you know if it's late in the ball game they got a chance to beat you yeah and and and shudder is in the situation where it's like doesn't make any excuses and he always says the right thing it's not it's listen it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing because you're dealing with the human element of it the human element of it no matter how much you have no matter how little you have no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human element of it.

34:25Shannon Sharpe:And people have emotions. People have feelings. And so sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you take the amount of time. But he hears what's being written about him. Absolutely. He hears. He sees. If he doesn't, he's getting back to him. But I just love the way the man, he kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed to do. He went to work. And that's how you have to approach it. Don't get mad. I ain't trying to prove y 'all wrong. I'm trying to prove me right. And in the process of proving me right, I'll prove you wrong. It was a great job.

35:07Shannon Sharpe:It was his first outing. Like I said, those throws. It was the throws that he made, Ocho. Go back and take a look at that overball. And we see Brock Purdy throw three or four of those a game to IU. He used to hit Debo on those plays. You'll kill him on the over. Look at how he threw that ball, the timing of it. Do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as a quarterback with pressure coming at you? There was one overthrow he couldn't even see. Yeah. Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him. We just saw the ball come out. So he's anticipating where the receiver was going to be, And he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it.

35:51Shannon Sharpe:Yep. That first touchdown. When people saw tonight, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. But he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time. It's his first time. It's his first time in an NFL game. But he's used to it. Oh, Chad, look at his mannerisms. Look how he walk on the first down. Okay. He almost did the wide celebration. She said, you know what, I'm looking at the time, but it ain't time yet. And just everything about him and being quarterback number one, just the way he carried himself. He was ready for the moment.

36:29No matter what they did, no matter what they said, just put me in a situation, just hand me the cards. Give me the hand. And I'm going to play it. And he did that just exactly how he should tonight. the hand he was dealt he played the hand very well and it's only going to get better from here it doesn't go backwards you don't degress I'm excited and this is coming from a Bengal fan I'm excited too I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe

37:03Shannon Sharpe:have the answer at the quarterback position after trying 35 times over the years you know I man listen man I can go on and on about this but go ahead you got it. I think the thing is the biggest thing an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs, he or she belongs. I was a seventh round draft pick. Shadou was a five. There was 12 rounds. When I was a seventh, there were seven rounds. He's a fifth. Yeah. But there is not one point in time that I didn't feel I belonged on that field. Because I saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys at Combine and I read about them.

37:38Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And I remember calling my brother at the East West Shriner. I said, he's doing not better than me. they're not better than me. I don't care what they say. Yeah. I remember going to the combine, I said, man, I, you know, what you think you read? I said, probably 4 '6", 4 '7". I said, but they're not better than me. They might be faster than me, but they're not better than me. I belong in the NFL. And when I went to Denver, all those guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no one. I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me? Yeah. I said, but don't worry about it.

38:16Shannon Sharpe:Don't worry about it. I said, it won't be long. It won't be. It was like the cat, when the girl said, boy, the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine. You know what he said, Ocho? He said, it won't be long now. He said, she didn't know what he was talking about. His tail wouldn't be long anymore or it won't be long before it all be over. Yes, sir. Yeah, man. And when we put them pants on, Ocho? Yeah. I'll never forget, because, you know, the rookies, we went to camp before the vet. So we would go like a couple of days before the vet, so we would already be practicing in Denver before we headed up to Greeley.

38:50Shannon Sharpe:Right. I saw them. They were nervous, Ocho, like a long-tailed dog with a porch full of rocking chairs. You know, if somebody leaned back, they're going to be able to say, Ocho, you know what I'm talking about now. I saw them. They were nervous. I said, oh, yeah. That's all I need to see. Just a little fear. Just a little fear in a man's eyes, because that's my greatest ability. Another man's fear. I like it. I like it. And listen, I know we've been talking about Shadour, but listen, remember what I told you about the Panthers, right? Yes. Remember what I told you about the Panthers? If there's a dark – hey, Chet, stay with me real quick.

39:28If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run into playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers. They didn't look back. Bryce Young didn't look back. Jalen Coker went crazy tonight. T-Mac, the rookie from Arizona, looked good tonight. I know Xavier Lekin got thrown out, getting into a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason. That's fixable. That's fixable. But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game. For those, I know everybody tuned in to watch the door. But I'm telling you right now, and I said it first, someone that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization, they owe me nothing.

40:08I'm telling you the dark horse team for this season the Carolina Panthers Bryce Young in their receiving court I'm telling you, watch

40:19Shannon Sharpe:I ain't never been that hot in a preseason game no the tussle? hell no they were going at it I don't really got no tussle in practice bro because I'll tell you what Dan Reed is going to say you fighting, that means we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan said the same thing. We ain't working hard enough. Bro, it ain't like it is now, bro. Them two-hour, two-and-a-half-hour practice, man, please, with pads and your hat on pads. Oh, let me take that back, Ocho. You have on, they call it, see, what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts. It's not shells like they call it now. Basically, you got those little fitted styrofoam stuff on.

41:01Shannon Sharpe:That was not shells when I got in the 90s. Shells with shoulder the pads and shorts. And you know, we hit back then. 9 on 7 was live. Team was a solid third up. There wasn't no touch the guy on his two-hand touch. Oh, no. You put shoulders on him. You put pads on him. You better come to balance and be ready. I remember Dennis Smith. We call him Kahuna and Atwater. Man, they come down in that box. Well, we had thumples back then. Oh, yeah. Man, please. And Atwater ain't played well. No. Atwater coming down here now. And Atwater wasn't the thumple like Dennis Smith. Kahuna was the thumple. Number 49?

41:50Shannon Sharpe:Whoa, whoa, whoa. More than Atwater? Yes, Lord. Ocho, I saw that joke. Hey, at 205, 210, I saw him sit lineman. Sit lineman on the ass. They pulling. He ain't never go low. Right. he put that shoulder in their chest and sit them down at 210? at 210 go back if y 'all can find it go back and check the tape he hit Roosevelt Potts they both ran Potts come through the hole he hit him he was out cold Marion Butts if you a Charger fan you know who back then Ocho they had a big old big running back Like, they had big Marion Butts. They had Rod Bernstein. They had Joe Caravello, big Joe Cox. I mean, the tight ends were like 300 pounds.

42:46Shannon Sharpe:Offensive line, mammoth offensive line. Yeah. Kahuna run through them. Go back and look at that play. Dennis Smith hit Marion Butts, and he hit Roosevelt Potts. Yeah. And you know who else was a thumper, too? Remember Donovan Darius? Yeah. Yeah, I played against D.D. at Jacksonville. But back in the 90s, you had Chuck Cecil. You had Mark Carrier from Chicago. Boy, back then, it wasn't nothing defenseless about that. They said, you got him in his shoulder pads. What the hell you thought was going to happen when you come across the middle? Oh, yeah. You're going to get that work. What? You're going to get that work.

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46:36Shannon Sharpe:Oh, Joe, the biggest story. I know it's football, but the biggest story that we've had in a very, very long time. Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups and Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier were arrested by the FBI and separate gambling pros this morning. Billups' arrest is related to an illegal poker game tied to the Mafia, according to ABC News. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Tied to the who? The Mafia. If Red Collect, the Bonanno, the Genovese, the Columbia, the Columbia, Columbo, and the Lucchesis. Ooh. But anyway, assistant coach Tiago Splitter would take over for Billups as Portland new interim coach.

47:15Shannon Sharpe:Rozier is accused of being part of a gambling ring that used inside information to make illegal wages. According to ABC, Rozier and Billups are just two of the names arrested in a wide-ranging probe called Operation Royal Flush. They need to stop. That started four years ago. Two indictments have 34 defendants listed. The indictment alleges that Rozier told associates he was going to take himself out of games during the first quarter on March 23rd of 2023 against the Pelicans so others could bet the underprop bets. This information was sold to others so they could also profit. There was a 259 ,000 that was wagered on Rozier by a group of people with inside information according to the indictment.

48:03Shannon Sharpe:Rozier played under 10 minutes in the game. Billups took part in a rigged poker game. In Manhattan, according to the FBI, how do you rig a poker game? Well, Ocho, according, they had x-ray machines built in the tables. So when you lay the cards face down, I can see what your whole cards are. Wait a minute. So now I can play. Contact lenses through glass that read marked cards. So you know, oh, that's an A's. That's a this. That's a that. Secret cameras in card trades. Bill is also alleged to have provided insider information on the trailblazer injury while team was tanking at the end of 2023 season.

48:44Shannon Sharpe:Former NBA player Damon Jones was also arrested. Jones sold information on the Lakers game so others could bet on it. According to the indictment, Jones is a close friend of LeBron James, who did not play in the game in question. The Lakers were named in the investigation during the press conference. Each defendant in the NBA gambling case has been charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. hey man listen man boy this this is this is big huh this is huge this is ginormous listen this is like an episode of law and order you hear me for one okay i understand the gambling part yes what grabs me what grabs my attention is the fact that the mafia is still prevalent in today's society now what do you think they win wait hold on oh listen i know they never went nowhere right but they're never visible their presence as opposed to the 70s 80s that's what the real mob does they're not flashy yeah yeah yeah but they have they have reputable businesses yes they have trucking and they have cement companies and they have delivery services so they have legitimate businesses to hide behind the other things see and people ask why this is why the nfl and the nba puts out all injury reports okay so therefore because if they didn't put it out, and guess what?

50:10Shannon Sharpe:People know I can get parts of that information. And it wouldn't look like that what happened in the Damon Jones situation, he gave them the information before it came out. So they bet before everybody else knew LeBron James was a scratch. They had already got the money. So now the line is going to come down, but they already got in on the other. It's just, oh, let me tell you a story. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Let me get comfortable now because your stories be good. This is why I stopped going to – we used to have the same thing. We had to play craps. Yeah. Every Monday night, we would go.

50:49Shannon Sharpe:At first, it was just guys on the team and a former player that everybody knew. I knew him a long time. Yes, sir. And so we would go over there. We would roll dice. Everybody, my friend, you know, we lend somebody money. The thing was, I wouldn't lend you money so you can bet against me. What I look like giving you$1 ,000 and then you're going to fade me. Right, right, right, right. You're going to fade me with my own money? No, that's not going to happen. But anyway. Okay. They started letting other people come in. Uh-oh. Strangers. Other people came in. Because we didn't care. Hey, at first, we used to have like 10 packs of dice.

51:28Shannon Sharpe:And sometimes, hey, you get hot on the dice. you keep the dice for like five, ten minutes and you put the dice in your pocket. So, hey, man, these are my special dice. I don't want nobody else to touch these. Right, right, right. Well, lo and behold, they let other people, they start letting other people come in and I'm like, but who is you? Man, I know such and such. Oh, Lord. Move out for this. Hold on, don't tell me they came in there with some damn trick dice, huh? Man, they came in there with them crooks, which are loaded dice. And the thing was, Ocho, the hardest points on the dice to hit is 10 and 4 because there's only two ways you can make it.

52:03Shannon Sharpe:You can make it 5-5 or you can make it 6-4. The same thing with 4. You get 3-1 or you get 2-2. You get flowers or you get a little joke. So that's it. Man, that joke will throw them dice. It rolled 10. So you know A. So you know A. Everybody go jump on that 10. You ain't fit to hit that 10. I'm going to tell you something. I don't know chat if y 'all ever gambled before, but if you want to break up a dice game, hit 10 or 4. I done saw cars done exchange hands. I done saw a lot of ish happen with that 10 or 4. Come on, man. But anyway, he came out, he hit 10. So you know everybody jump on it. Hey, you know I'm jumping on it with both feet too.

52:45Shannon Sharpe:You ain't finna hit that. Right. So he took a cool 200 off me, you know. Yeah, yeah. Damn. I said, let me come back. Let me come back. He rolled a 4. Ooh, back to back? He rolled a 10. He kicked a 10. And then he came back? The end was hitting it out the door. So I say, what the? So I only go over there with like 2 ,000, 2 ,500. Right, right, right. You broke the dice game up, hit for about 30. 30 what? 30 back. You got to realize, there's like 15, 20 of us in there. We all NFL players. So we all got bread. Or guys would go to the ATM and get money and come back. Oh, hey, y 'all should know something was up, man.

53:36Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, didn't know. So I told my homeboy Burns, he had gone out of town. Because at the time, Michelle was in Virginia. So by week, you know, not a by week. But he would go home. So he would leave that Monday, go home, stay Monday night, come back Tuesday. because a lot of times we didn't have, we win, we didn't have no meeting, we didn't have anything, just get back wisdom. Right, right, right. As a matter of fact, he was catching the red eye get home early Monday morning. But anyway, I told him, I said, man, Brandon, you ain't gonna believe this. I said, dude broke the game up. He said, what?

54:11Shannon Sharpe:He said, what he was hitting? I said, dude, we had a dude named Reggie, Reggie Hayward. He broke the game up. He had the dice for like an hour. I ain't never seen nobody get that hot, but it was legit. He had the dice for an hour. Every point on the dice, he hit. He was seven out the door. You hit eight. Luj, eight. That four, five? He was talking about born in 54, died in 63. What's my point? Nine. Yaya. I hit it. Yaya. What Jesse James carried? 45. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Eight. Eight. Eight. He rolled four. Emmitt Smith, out the door. Stayed on the dice for an hour. I see Burns, oh boy, tenfold, had the dice just like that.

54:59Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. The next week, the guy house that he was at, he was rolling dice. Had two grand out there. Everybody had it. He crapped out. He picked the dice up and threw them. They split open. Uh-oh. Now, you can see where the weight was.

55:26Shannon Sharpe:So, I don't hear about this until the next, so this was on Monday. They start calling me, man, Sharp, you ain't gonna believe this. I say, what? Man, man, boy had crooks. I say, he had to weigh the dice? Like, yeah, man. What you think we should do? I say, I don't know what y 'all gonna do. I ain't gonna do nothing because I'm going to go to jail. So I said, look, I'm done. From that point on, I said, I'm done. I told Burns, I said, Burns, if you want to go, he's like, you ain't going, I ain't going. Right. But anyway, and I started, boy, look here, I started to get the dude that vouched for him, and I knew him.

56:04Shannon Sharpe:But we've been cool. You vouch for him. You vouch for him, you got the cover. But anyway, dude done brought a brand new, brought a brand new Maximal, kitted it out. new gear that's what stopped me from doing that's what stopped me from doing the house game first of all it's got to be like us it's got to be us I ain't talking about no homeboy I'm sorry I'm sorry Ocho your homeboy can't play everybody me you XYZ we NFL player boo I believe we're going to be on the up and up but somebody come to the game they know it they know it's in money gonna be there yeah gonna come in and cheat yeah card game the same thing that's what happened with the online poker yeah guys so had had the online poker he had he had the uh uh uh you know it's a uh what they call it but anyway he's he he they could see your cards right hey that's crazy technology so advanced listen the part that scared me y 'all I understand Chauncey in trouble.

57:10I understand Damon Jones in trouble. I understand Terry Rozier. For one, I'm not risking it. I'm not risking the position that I'm in. But you don't believe you're risking it. Huh?

57:20Shannon Sharpe:Think about it. A lot of this stuff happened in 23. It's 25. Ocho, what criminal you know make a score and said, I'm done, I quit? Well, you can't. But you understand, when the FBI get a hold of you now, the FBI, they watch you for a couple of years. They don't let it run. they gotta wait till they get you oh i can't get you with one charge because you might you're first timer you're gonna get off i got to get you deep i gotta make sure the hook is set yeah it gotta build up it gotta build up this this is scary you know the fish right you gotta set the hook because if you don't set it right a big one gonna get away oh yeah absolutely but this this is the part that scared me though right like understanding understanding okay i understand the gambling part it's the part about being part of the mafia being entangled into it man listen that's a no no for me right there on back I done seen the Sopranos yeah I done seen Goodfellas I know it's a depiction of a fictional story maybe but that's real life I'm thinking about extortment I'm thinking about once you tied into them man that's you now you got a point shade now you got to feed them information what I hate most look and I know listen I know Chauncey Billups since he was in high school.

58:34Shannon Sharpe:He went to G-Dub in Denver, Colorado, which was about a mile from where I was staying. I used to stay in the breakers. Anybody from Denver know exactly where the breakers are on Mississippi and where G-Dub is. There's a car wash. It used to be a Sterling car wash right across the street. Chauncey Billups went to G-Dub. He was sensational. Sensational. Three-time Mr. Basketball, Allstate. So we get that. And so I feel bad for Chauncey, and I hope, I hope this is what they suggest. But my thing is, and I hope this is just, but Damon Jones, everybody knows what LeBron goes through to try to make sure he has no stain.

59:21Shannon Sharpe:Because what did they put in the paper? They put LeBron James. this man has done everything he possibly could to keep his nose clean yeah to make sure he doesn't have the people look maverick he grew up with rich he met at a very young age randy he grew up with so he insulated himself lebron don't have a whole lot of close friends you see him you can always see randy randy's his chief of staff rich is his agent obviously maverick handles all the other business inquiries. You put this man on the spot because it's a legend that you sold information that LeBron is not going to play before it became public knowledge.

1:00:05Shannon Sharpe:And they say they have a text message or something between the two. I just hate. I just hate. And obviously the funny thing about that, LeBron doesn't know. I mean, them exchanging messages, him letting them know, that's like me texting, we finna play the Raiders, but I'm not playing. Like that's no harm, no foul on LeBron's part because he had no idea what's going on. Exactly. Yeah, so, but the one thing, and what I was talking about, about them dealing with the mafia, understanding these people have no regard for life. No. Once you're in business with them, that means you got the old ways. Once they got them hooks in you.

1:00:42I need all the answers. I need who's playing, who's coming out, what's the scoreline going to be, and what happened when you get it wrong? What happened when you mess up? What happened when you place a bet and you give them certain information and it doesn't come out the way it should and they lose money?

1:00:59Shannon Sharpe:Well, all of a sudden you say he's not going to play, then all of a sudden he plays. He'll game time and he'll end up playing. Hold on. What about this? Once you end with them like that, what about, you know what, I don't want to do this no more. I don't want to be part of it. Ain't no way I don't want to do it no more. And it's reported that he got$2 ,500. so on a$50 ,000 bet I think it was a$50 ,000 bet wasn't it a$50 ,000 bet? How much was it? It was over$100 ,000 they gave you$2 ,500 hold on they didn't even give you 10 % they gave you 2 % what the hell I'm going to do with that? hey Ocho if it's$2 ,000 ,000 I'll take 2 % but not no damn$100 ,000 nah absolutely not I just Absolutely not.

1:01:48Hey, listen, I understand the gambling part, right? And the gambling part, to me, because I've been in that lifestyle. I don't gamble. Y 'all know my cheap ass don't gamble. I've just been in that world for so long and seen so many people gamble the past 30 years. The part that has me stunned and is amazed is, boy, you're dealing with the mafia. I think people just like letting it go. Hell... No, they real. Damon Jones, Chauncey, and goddamn Terry Rozier is the only one that's on the goddamn news. Well, where's everybody else? What are the other 32 people? There ain't no names. I got to get a big name.

1:02:29Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, let me ask you a question. When the last time you see somebody post a fish that was this big? They post the trophy fish. Yeah. They are the trophies. Yeah. so now you you lose you lose your job you lose your career but you know they still gonna be making any money huh oh yeah they ain't gonna you know you know you know it's not gonna stop no absolutely not i bro look here and i i used to gamble i did i mean i used to come to vegas and gamble uh i gamble on the plane we play you know we used to play tongue and we used to play in between. Pots get up to$5,$10,$20 ,000, $30 ,000. American money?

1:03:16Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Boy, y 'all tripping, man. Look, I took a call for a guy. I felt bad for him because I know if he had to go home, he's going to get a divorce. He had a resto. Chevelle, 454. Right. Black. Beautiful. You took the pink slip? I said, man, give me three grand. Call it a day. Y 'all were betting card, pink slips? Hey, he got up, he got in the hole. And that's what happens, Ocho. Oh, he was in the hole. There was a story out here about a dude named, I think his name was Jeffrey Wantanabe. Lost$204 million. Lost his family fortune. Read it. Go read about it. Oh. Go read about it. Hey, Chad. No, I think his name was Terrence Wantanabi.

1:04:11Hey, Chad, somebody send that to my Instagrams or my Twitter, please. I got to read that. How do you lose... Did you see the movie The Gambler? Yes. Yes. I didn't know people had issues like that where they're addicted to gambling.

1:04:25Shannon Sharpe:They're addicted to a lot of things. Gambling? Yeah. Alcohol? Drugs? Yes. It's an addiction. It's an endorphins. It's a high. It's a rush. How do you... You lose $250 ,000. You go to the shark and ask for more money. Oh, hold on. Read that a lot. Say what it was, Ash. $240 million. $240 million. $240 million? Yes. At what point do you say stop? At what point do you say no?

1:04:54Unc, I lose $20. I'm going to lose my mind.

1:05:01Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, he was up. But see, here's the thing, Ocho. Same thing. There was a guy named Arnie at the Binion's. He was up 50 million. Lost it all back. He had every$5 ,000 chip that was in the hotel. The hotel used to have the casino used to have to come to his room and get the chips because he had them all. He lost it all. You know, I don't understand. I just, I can't grasp the concept. I understand gambling. Listen, I really can't talk now because I just started playing a little blackjack myself every time I go to Vegas. I don't go to Vegas often, but I go to the blackjack table. You know how much I spend?

1:05:42I take$200 out of the ATM. I pay the $25 hands. When that$200 gone, man, I'm hurting. It's only$200. You're saying these extraordinary numbers. How the hell you lose$240 million?

1:05:57Shannon Sharpe:When you get down, you try to get it back. Let me tell you how it happens. I lose$50. I'm going to bet 100 to try to get it back. Now I'm down 150. So guess what I got to do, Ocho? I'm going to bet 200 because I'm going to get all three. I'm going to get the two hands that I lost and I'm going to be plus 50. And before you know it, now you're betting 25, 50, 100 ,000 a hand. So how long will it take you? Because if you go on a rush, you go on a run, you could bet. Hey, go back and look. I think it was the MGM. Kerry, what was his daddy name? Packard. He was an Australian billionaire. Go read about what he did to the MGM and how he wrecked their quarterly report.

1:06:41Shannon Sharpe:He wrecked it? Yes. Well, he won. He went on a run? He won. Yes. Big time? But in order to win big time, you got to lose a lot. The lady that was serving him, she was bringing him smoothies or water, whatever it was. Right. Go get your mortgage. I'm going to pay it off for you. Oh, he was talking spicy. He did it. Carrie Packard is... Yeah.

1:07:18Shannon Sharpe:Yes. DMGM. Read about it. I know all the stories. Hey, listen, gambling, gambling is an addiction, huh? Absolutely it is. And listen, a lot of people say, oh, stop acting naive. See, there's certain things that I don't know about. There's certain things that I don't know about because it was never, it never sparked my interest. That's not something that I, that, that I, it ain't like soccer. I can tell you about, I can talk about boxing. I can talk about tennis, but, but gambling. Hell, I just started, I just started playing blackjack this year.

1:07:57Shannon Sharpe:Oh yeah. Oh, he, he was a whale. Those are what they call whales. What was the guy used to be a penthouse? what was the guy on Penthouse he was in the wheelchair oh damn I forgot his name I met him one time he on Hustler yes yes yes I met him in LA he passed away he was a whale Larry Flint yeah Mr. Flint that's right but Ocho the thing is is that look I played a couple of hands you know Hey, you know, I paid. Hey, how much you would bet? I don't mean to be in your business, but for better content. I'm going to tell you a story, Ocho. We was at the Rio. We was at the Rio. Okay. And it was me, 7, 30, 53, and Crock-Pot.

1:08:52Shannon Sharpe:It was us. Yeah. So we was playing. So I had like$25 ,000 only. John John was playing so I had you know I've won and he was playing so he got a card he split so he got so he split them then it was another of the same cards he split that he had about six cards that were split and then he ended up doubling down we had like 40 ,000 on the table and the dealer bust he took all mine Because if the dealer would have hit, all my little$25 ,000 was gone. He's like, give me your money. I'm like, whoa, whoa, hold on. He's going to give you my money. What kind of bull job is this? But we won. But it's a, Ocho, ain't nothing like it.

1:09:43Shannon Sharpe:It's nothing like sitting there and you play$5 ,000 or$10 ,000 a hand. And then you get blackjack. What gets scary Ocho What gets scary Ocho Is that when you get A double down hand And you got 5 ,000 Or you got 10 ,000 on the wood Yeah

1:10:07Now when you got a double down hand You got 10 ,000 on the wood What that mean? You double your money? You double it so you got to put 10 ,000

1:10:14Shannon Sharpe:10 more with it Nah man Double it or you split it You got to put 10. Guess what happens, Ocho? You get a double down hand. Yeah. You get a split. You get a split hand. So let you get, say you get a pair of eights or a pair of nines against a seven or below. Yeah. You're going to split them. Now you get a three, a two or three. Now you doubling that. So now that's 20 ,000. Now you get this hand, you get a split. You get a double. Now you double that. 20, 20, 30, 40. that's$40 ,000 on the wood. Yeah, it ain't worth it. You hear me? It ain't worth it because I'm thinking about the loss. But you can't think like that.

1:10:59Shannon Sharpe:So you can't go to the table because you can't look at the chips as money. You look at them as objects. The moment you look at them as money, get up from the table. For one, unless you make the kind of revenue and you have disposable income, yeah, it shouldn't be gambling no way. Yeah. Unless you have disposable income. I don't care. NFL players, I don't care how much. I don't care if you got a$50,$80 million contract. Your ass shouldn't be at no goddamn crap table or playing backjack or no rotisserie or none of that. Yeah. What's the one going in the circle again? What it's called? That's roulette.

1:11:33I'm talking about rotisserie. I'm talking about roulette.

1:11:35Shannon Sharpe:That's a league. That's a gambling league. But anyway, I know what you meant. And plus, the new thing now is Baccarat. Read the Phil Ivey story. Phil Ivey famous. I know that name. I know he'll, he'll poke a player. I know his name. But they went, they went, they went overseas, him and a, and a, and a, a Chinese lady. Yes, sir. What happened? Read about that story. Is good or bad? Uh, it's bad. Well, he won, but they fought because the lady could count cards. Oh. You can see the imperfections. Hmm. But, Ocho, that gambling man, it's a dick. Ocho, why you think people be watching these games? You think they really be liking these teams?

1:12:22Shannon Sharpe:Some people do. I got fantasy and I got real money. You messing up my parlay. That's why they call you the N-word. That's why they say you suck. That's why they say you worse than Hitler. Bro, you lost me my money. What the...

1:12:37Hey, if you can't stay and lose your money, you don't bet. You don't bet. Bro, you suck.

1:12:48man i'm telling you oh choc hey that's that's fascinating it's fascinating hearing the stories yeah it's fascinating but i can't put myself in position to put my money where i have no control over whether i win or lose i'm not i don't i don't want it the house don't let you in

1:13:07Shannon Sharpe:i'd have heard enough horror stories to stay away from it You got to be able to see the thing. The reason why the house wins so much, they can weather the storm because guess what, Ocho? If you start winning too much, they'll ask you to leave. OK, that's enough. That's enough, Mr. Johnson. No, what? What? No, we think you've done enough for tonight. The question is. When you win, can you get up on your own? to leave. Because they don't usher you when you're losing, they don't ask you to leave. Can you ask yourself to leave when you lose, when you start, can you leave when you start to lose? Man, listen.

1:13:48Shannon Sharpe:This, Ocho, this is what happened, excuse me, this is what happens

1:13:57Shannon Sharpe:in the gaming space. Yes. Yeah, I mean, hey can you imagine how do you even i'm still stuck on the mafia part because i understand how that can end you put you're not just putting your life in jeopardy you yeah everybody get close to you they play for keys now hey man i ain't got man who what you know there's a certain excuse me we speaking to gambling now excuse my lack of knowledge i might be wrong the greatest player, the greatest basketball player of all time. Yes. If I'm not mistaken. Second grade, but okay. Yeah, he'll be gambling. Yes. Yes. He like to play. Yes. Yes. Now, if you see where I'm going, I'm trying not to say it without saying it because you lost someone very close to him.

1:14:47Shannon Sharpe:But everybody know, but the thing is, there are a lot of people that lost because they stood next to him and feel they got to gamble as much as him. He the logo. He ain't got to play no more basketball. and he's still going to get, he's going to get, you know, 300, 400 million and he ain't, when the last time Michael Jordan dribbled a basketball? But see, you not understand what I'm saying. Didn't he lose somebody closest to him based on, okay, so you get where I'm going with it? Yes. Okay. See, that's what the reports believe that it has something to do with that. Exactly. Which is why I don't understand how Chauncey and Damon and Terry would even, yo, you part of who?

1:15:23Gambino who? No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I can't help you with none of that information. Because in the minute it don't go right and you can't get to me, you're going to the closest thing to me. I don't want that.

1:15:39Shannon Sharpe:So that's, you know, and reportedly the NBA investigated Terry Rozier in clarity. That's the problem that you got. Yeah. They investigated him last year. Oh, Joe, we briefly touched on bets. And they cleared him. Now you see why the NFL, see, that's why you can't do it, Ocho. Because guess what? These gaming companies, they want to be able to bet with the NFL and MLB. So they're going to turn you in. Oh yeah, absolutely. They're going to turn you in. Because, hold on, wait a minute. He's just a guy. And why are we getting all these props coming in on him? And he just, oh no. Mm-hmm. they'll pull it off the board.

1:16:28Shannon Sharpe:Man, please. Goddamn. Look, in situations like this, Ocho, you got to just take your medicine and I hope it's not true. Look, I don't really know anybody but Chauncey. The FBI does not come and get you until they have enough evidence to convict you of whatever said crime it is. Well, I can hope, Ocho, damn. You know, hope, the people in hell hope they can get some goddamn ice water. Is it coming? Absolutely not.

1:17:03Shannon Sharpe:I'm hoping. You know what? I'm going to hope with you. I just, you know, Ocho, I'm just saying in a situation like this, you don't think, Ocho, you know how we're wired. We think we're invincible. Yeah. Because think about, Ocho, this was 2023 when this was going on. It's 25. Ocho, they done forgot about that. Oh, no. They don't forget about nothing now. Yeah, you know, Ocho, you remember your grandma, your mama said, boy, I'm going to tear your tail up when you get home. About two, three hours go by. Oh, she done forgot about that. And next thing you know, she's shutting down on you. Wop, wop, wop.

1:17:45Shannon Sharpe:Stop.

1:17:50Shannon Sharpe:So, man, I just, boy, this is. This is, boy, they about to get real, real, real. What, strict? No, but that's the problem. That's why you see these fans when their team, what's the first thing they say? Man, you messed up my parlay. Parlay. You messed up my fantasy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I'm not thinking about your fantasy. I'm thinking about I lost us the game. Yeah, they worry about that money. Damn your fantasy. They worry about that money. Yeah.

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