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25:12I ain't, I can't be up there. Then you on third level. Six five catching the Holy Ghost. I was fake trying to kiss you, man. I can't do that, man. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. I used to be sitting in the back, man. You know what I mean? I used to be back there laughing. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Kissing the homeless girls. They be there for the taping. They see y 'all. Man, I... Hey, hey. The same way over here, bro. I grew up Baptist. Yes, sir. I'll never forget, boy. Hey. Hey, Ribbon Payne. You hear me? Smooth. Smooth. D.C., I ain't gonna lie to you.

25:43You know, my grandma made me get in the choir. That's just what it was. You know what I mean? You had to join the festivities. He didn't do nothing until you was a deacon.

25:54I'm like, I'm 11. What am I planning on speaking to you? Man, I'm in here training to be a deacon. Hey, facts. Hey, facts, boy. Until you've been a deacon and you had to get up in that choir and you had to get up there on Easter Sunday and say that Easter Sunday speak, Boy, you ain't done nothing. Don't talk to me about it. That's the hardest thing I had to do in life. I'm glad when I turned 14. I couldn't do it, but you were strong. You was a strong one for that one, Joe. Hey, bud. I had to get my ass whooped. I was cool with the whooping, man. Did y 'all ever play for the church league? Did y 'all ever play for the church league?

26:33Yeah, I did. I did, too. I did, yeah. No cussing. Hey, listen. You know, when we were young, when we were coming up, bro, any league that we could play and say, it ain't like today. all these kids got trainers and all that. You know what I mean? You see everybody got a trainer now. All we did was hoop. So if the church league was jumping, we were playing in the church league. On Sunday, they hooping up at the court. We going to play at the court with the fellas. You know what I mean? Anywhere they was hooping, that's how we got better, D.C. I'm going to be real. I thought I was y 'all in my head, bro.

27:04I really... I ain't going to lie. If I put... I can do whatever I put my mind to. But I realized when I go see y 'all play, I'm like no nigga that was not what you was supposed to be doing like y 'all is great like y 'all gotta it's a certain physique of an NBA player we're like bro I ain't get no growth for it I was like 19 yeah what do you mean I was 5 '4 until I was like 19 I'm 6 '1 I'm 6 '1 smooth when did you know you really had a chance bro to make it to the league I'm saying, like, that was the plan the entire time. I was just trying to play basketball. You know what I mean? I'm saying even, like, in junior high and all that?

27:50I didn't know. I had no idea. You know what I'm saying? Then now you get older, you be like, okay, I see why my dad did this. Like, he quit his job. When I was in high school, he was at home a little more. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, he knew. Like, now I know, like, man, I got to stay close to this little nigga. So I'm like, shit, okay, cool. I got, I ain't understand it until like my senior high school. My dad gave me a little talk, you know what I'm saying? Because I still was thinking about going to college. I was talking about going to Indiana and all that. He was like, bro, we ain't doing that.

28:26We ain't doing that. Hey, hey, hey. You're my 230. You going to the EG? Boy, hey, I love Pete, boy. Hey, we might have to get old school on him. We might have to get Pete on him. Hey, that's real Atlanta right there, DJ. I don't know if you remember that job dating, bro. Hey. He play, he from Albany, but you know, we was over there at Ben Hill. You know what I'm saying? He played from Ben Hill. You know what I'm saying? On that west side? That west side? Yeah, that's why I started playing, you know what I'm saying, basketball over there at Ben Hill. That's why you got good, good. Coach Walker, you know what I'm saying?

28:58Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, started where it really, yeah, with the real pros happening. Yeah, that's how Ben Hill where it really, yes, sir. Yes, sir. That's how you learn how to play, bro. You know how you put the court together? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. They had that back in the day. You know what I'm talking about? They had that one. Hey, but that's how you learned, bro, when we was kids, bro. We just played. We just played the game. DC, what you played coming up, bro? What sport you played? I played baseball all the way to the end. That's how I know I'm real good at that. I played everything, baseball, football, basketball.

29:36But baseball, for sure, for sure. I know. I talk a lot of shit about everything else, but baseball for sure. I can back that up all day every day. Yeah. Spoon, you played any other sports? No. Straight basketball. I tried to throw the helmet on. My dad was not playing. He wasn't going for it. I want to play football. He was like, but hell no. He went on the road because he drove trucks. I slid over there to my mama. Mom got there signed me up. So when he came home, he seen the pads on the ground where he gave it to me, boy. He cuts my school down. No. He's like, it ain't buying your dumb ass no cleats.

30:18You got to play on my white collar, talking to him when I was going, but he was hot, boy. He was hot, boy. He was hot. I was out there slipping and sliding, and I was like, man, you know what, man? I ain't playing no more, man. I know. Oh, yeah, I already know. Hey, speaking of football, Speaking of football, what's up, y 'all Falcons fans? What's up? Absolutely. Keep it a bean. Keep it a bean. I got to take a drink. I'm a pain freak. He finna tell a lie if he got to take a drink. I need to take me a drink too, bro. What's up? What's going on, Smooth? We pain freaks, bro. I mean, I'm in Atlanta everything.

31:00Braves. That's what I'm saying. I'm in Atlanta everything. You know what I'm saying? They owe me, man. They owe me too. They owe me a couple times. They owe me from that situation. What? They owe me from that too. We ain't even recovered from that. No, no. I'm talking even if, no. That was the one, bro. He had the city of so much on fire, bro. Oh, my God. I don't think people, listen to me. I ain't seen a lot of people play. I ain't never seen it like that. I ain't really get a chance to see Jordan play. I saw AI at the end. Bro, we ain't even had a TV like that, bro. My folks ain't even watching shit.

31:34You feel me? We wasn't going to no games, bro. I actually got a chance to see it. I used to hear stories. We used to sit down and watch this nigga as a family. Listen, bro. I'm in high school. It was the greatest thing we ever had, bro. Yeah. I ain't seen nothing like it. Yeah. You feel me? Hey, listen. Super Bowl, we needed that. Man, man. Listen. I ain't got over it. You was a 20-83-2, man. I was in China, bro. I ain't got over it. I ain't got over it. I ain't gonna lie down. I remember exactly who I was, but that was crazy, bro. I remember it, too. Let me tell you something. Let me break it down for you.

32:16I was talking so much shit about everything. Let me tell you something. This is why I'm so mad, bro, because them niggas could have whooped my ass in there, bro. Them niggas were like, 40-D, I'm in there saying, boy, you know me. It's ATL. Yeah, yeah. It's ATL shouting. Yeah. It's all that. And we playing the Patriots. I'm doing all that. Bruh, it's three of 28-3. Nigga, I'm talking so much cash money. I'm like, you know what? I'm finna go take a smoke break. I'm chilling. We won this, nigga. By third quarter, my energy change. By fourth quarter, I remember this shit like it was yesterday. We done transferred to go watch the game.

32:59Now I'm at a whole other nigga house. But I'm glued to the TV though, Jay. I'm like... We down. It's four minutes now. Listen, when he caught that, when he caught the ball on his helmet, my heart started being fast as... Listen, because I knew something was up. I said, I know they not about to do this shit. I know they not about to do this. Man, them folks scored a game game. And the score was still 28. them folk came all the way back from three point all we had to do was score one 10 down and we stopped doing everything we were doing in the first quarter that's why I love the Falcons but y 'all rubbed my heart out of my chair then boy hey y 'all know I know man I apologize bro they built that Mercedes that beautiful stadium right after that thinking they were going to make it right back you know what I mean I ain't trying to rub it in on y 'all.

33:59I'm just saying, bro. I like going to the game. Hold on. What are you, though? Can I ask you? I'm a cowboy fan. I ain't going to lie to y 'all. I'm a cowboy fan. I'm a cowboy fan. You ain't a cowboy fan, folks. See how you say that?

34:16Listen, DC. Hey, I'm from. DC, you're a cowboy. Cowboy, yes. Yeah, I'm from Little Rock, bro. So, you know. Hey, man. man. The closest thing to us is Dallas, bro. I've been a Cowboy fan. I was born in it. You know what I'm saying? I understand that. I was born in it, man. So listen, I don't know if we play the Falcon this year, but if we do, man, me, you, and Smug can put a little something on it, you know? Oh, absolutely. I don't mind. Oh, you talking about on the Falcons? Yeah, you going to bet? I know you going to bet. We got to get our quarterback situation together.

34:55Hold on. Hold on. Hold on You don't think they gonna Oh man Why y 'all keep doing this We have this same conversation Every year Do you think we No No I'm gonna tell you When I'm telling you What we gonna have to do is First of all We gotta stop I don't know what's our quarterback status now. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Previous. We are giving guaranteed money to injured players who was already injured coming off the injury list. Let me tell you something. We ain't had a quarterback to finish a season. So let that sink in. And we got guaranteed money. Amen. So, who money is that? I'm not finna keep doing that.

35:57I'm finna go watch these hoax. And y 'all gonna have to tell me about it later. Hey, hey, hold on, hold on. Speaking of that, we got a video I want to show, man. You jumped out with a trampoline. Come on, baby. Bounce. Come on, baby. Hold on, here we go. Hey, y 'all check DC out right here. Yeet!

36:22I missed the first one. I had to time it. Hey, DC, tell the truth. It's a lot harder than what people think, though, ain't it? Hey, people don't understand. First of all, you ain't, you, you. That's a lot of pressure. It's pressure. That's what I feel, bro. People watch it. People act like they ain't watch it, but they watch it. You almost 15, 20 feet away from the gold, bro. You hear me? You ain't no. So when them boy be doing them flips, you got to respect that. You feel me? I missed the first one. I had to time it. But once I got it, I was up. Yeah, yeah.

36:55Hey, hey, hey, when y 'all think about those times, you know, Bill, before we traded for you to come to the Hawks, bro, you know, me being a huge fan of your game, obviously, Arizona, and everything that you did in Sacramento, when you think about those Sacramento teams that you played on, bro, early in your career, what you think made those teams so special, Bill? I mean, obviously, the chemistry y 'all had and, you know, your high IQ for the game, the way y 'all passed the ball, the way y 'all made the game easier for one another. What do you think? What was so special about those Kings? We genuinely liked each other.

37:29You know what I mean? So that's why I tried to bring when I came to Atlanta. Like, even, like, we'd gamble on the plane. You know, we'd fuck around on the plane. We'd, you know, go to dinner and stuff like that. I just wanted to make sure everybody would hang out with each other and really liked each other. You know, like, us going to the mall. Like, come on, everybody put your shit down. but let's go to the mall. We're going to hang out. Everybody just shoot the shit in a little bit. But that was the thing. Like, like we competed though. Like when practice that second squad that we used to have, like a Scott Pollard, Bobby Jackson, Hito Turkoglu, they used to beat our ass in practice.

38:03You know what I mean? And so that used to get us ready as far as like, okay, shit. We know that like once, if we don't have, if we don't start out good with Howard plays, we knew where it was the alpha dog on the team. We just knew coming in, like we just had to make sure we show up when when he needed us yeah hey man it was fun watching you guys it was fun playing against y 'all i'll never forget bro i mean from c webb to vlade divas to doug christie those guys were hell of a passers and iq through the roof and then you add you to that mix bro y 'all was just a hell of a team think about those legendary kings versus versus Lakers battles.

38:42Tell us a little bit about those battles, bro. Knowing what we know now, you know what I'm saying? Smooth, knowing the history of the game, y 'all may have been robbed a little bit. A little bit. Do you honestly, hold on, hold on, hold on. Do you honestly think it was really? Hell yeah. You seen that shit? Man, look, that's a whole, that could change my whole, that could have changed my whole career. You know what I'm saying? I was rolling at that point. Now, what if it looks like if I get, if we go to the finals, I get finals MVP. That's going to look a whole lot better on my resume than the shit I got now.

39:18Oh, no. Listen, Bibb, I ain't going to lie to you. Y 'all probably should have had one, boy. No, no, no, no, because y 'all had a whip. Y 'all had a whip. I'm talking about, man, listen, I didn't think nobody could beat that Lakers, Kobe, and Shaq. But, bruh, when I tell y 'all push them to the brink, obviously, under certain circumstances, maybe y 'all would have won it. but man that was a pleasure to watch you know what i mean because i was a young book i was just coming into the league in oh one bro you know that was everything to me to see great great basketball like that played at the highest level just to be a part just to be a part of that i think shaq's the biggest the best big man to ever play the game you know coby is top two for me um just to be in those battles and going to la and seeing all those movie stars and the guys that you look up to you know in the movies coming and cheering against you knowing we had them beat I mean, I couldn't ask for nothing else, man.

40:09But, like, I want to pump you guys up a little bit, too. You know what I mean? Coming to you guys, I mean, it was probably the easiest games that I have had to play. You know what I mean? Like, they always talk about my defense, how bad my defense was. But, shit, I didn't have to be good. You know what I mean? I got smooth back there. You know what I mean? So that blocked out a lot of stuff. And, like, send screens for you, Joe. A lot of these guys, a lot of these point guards, I said the best. I thought I used to set the best screens. Oh, hold up, Bibby, Bibby, Bibby, hold up. I've never in life, even playing with Nash, Marbury, Kenny Anderson, I played with some greats.

40:45Boy, ain't nobody set no screen how you set a screen. You hear me? That boy ain't nothing but chess over there. Boy, do it so smooth. What's wrong with the boy? All chess. All chess. That boy all chess. He don't do nothing but bitch press when he go in the gym. Now, he in the weight room. Ain't going to lie. But build like a cornerback. Hey, hey, he in the weight room, and that boy gonna sit a mean screen. I ain't gonna lie to you. That shit, no one ever wanted to switch. You know what I mean? I always had a little guy. So I set a screen and he did not want none of you, Joe. Joe would have a wide open jump shot and whatever.

41:21I mean, even with smoothness. I mean, even playing with you guys, man, it kind of changed my game too. It's like I looked up and Atlanta and Sacramento are the two best places that I've been, the two best teams that I played on. You know, like, I still talk to you guys. I still, you know, talk to Jamal when I see him. I saw AC Law a couple weekends ago. Hold on, hold on, hold on. That's saying a lot, bro. You played with the Heat with D-Wade and Braun. You went to New York. Look, man. You giving us love like that, bro? Yeah, I mean, that's the, I mean, being there and being with you guys, like, the most fun I had, like, as far as being on the court and playing basketball, like, that's the way I wanted to play.

41:57I got out, I was just all fast break. I mean, I could, you could look at the highlights of me and Smooth. I was throwing that bitch from anywhere. I just took it. I just threw that shit up. I was going to get it. And like playing with you, Joe, just know a guy is going to get it. And all I had to do was go find an open spot because they're going to double team you. You know what I mean? And I was like, shit, I just got knocked down the shots. I want to say, I remember, Smooth, remember that bet we had? Remember, I said, Smooth, not to shoot 10 threes all season. Remember? We were just talking about that with Jeff the other day.

42:29Yeah, yeah. I think I shot about a six of them. Remember I was supposed to be an all-star game? Yeah, you should have been an all-star. He came there, I was like, dude, that wasn't the three. I didn't shoot the three. I said, smooth. I ain't keeping stats. You don't see this thing after the game. He's like, I didn't shoot no three. You guys didn't shoot no three. We had the most fun there, man, being there, being with you guys. And like Joe, I'm the only one that could stop you. I don't remember if you remember. Oh, man. Hold on, hold on. So right before the game, right before the buzzer by the sign, starting lineup probably by the last five to six minutes.

43:02Me and Bill play one-on-one. Every game, we used to play one-on-one. Joe, hold on a second. My son just came in here. Look. Hey, what's up, bro? Hey, what's up, bro? Man, I remember when you was a little G, bro. How y 'all doing, man? Y 'all good? Hey, we good, man. Good to see you, bro. Keep doing your thing. I know you out there with problems. I appreciate that, man. Y 'all good to see y 'all, too. Yes, sir. Good to see you, too. Go tell our story, Joe. I used to lock. I'm the only person that can lock you up. So, me and Bibb used to play one-on-one before every game, bro. And it's like, you know, good, honest defense.

43:39He think he's the only one who used to lock me up. But we used to have some good battles, though, Bibb. Hey, because you know what? That shit used to get me going before the game. You know what I mean? It gets your juices flowing a little bit. You couldn't block shots, though. You couldn't. The rule was you couldn't block the shots, and you couldn't do anything. I used to hit him in the top of his head. We just played in the victory. Remember the big three? I was fucking, y 'all, okay. I was like, let me guard him. I can guard him. I'm over there wrapping his arm and catching him and pulling his air, bear.

44:07Hey, hey, hey, Chad, he talking about when we played in the big three, and he was playing with the ghost ball and talking about let him guard me. Hell, hey, hey, Shmoo. Hey, Shmoo, I was handing out buckets like they was skilled or whatever, man. Hey, man. You have something. You have something. He was killing him out there. I'm the only one that can stop him, man. I'm the only one that can stop him. hey listen hey we had a hell of a time here bro look you know Bill before you got before we traded for you we wasn't in the playoffs yet that year we end up making the AC with you and we end up playing against the Boston Celtics and we all know how that historic series we couldn't we wasn't competing worth a damn in Boston but in Atlanta but that ass couldn't get no dub over here you hear me at least we at least we had home now Hey, hold on.

44:56Smooth. Smooth. Bibb, no lie. I've never in my life seen Atlanta rocking like that, bro. Me neither, man. Me neither. And they done had some good teams. Trayden took them to the Eastern Conference Finals. I ain't never seen that building jumping like that. We got the highlight factory moving, man. Man. That was some good times, man. Hey. Oh, it was definitely, definitely. Y 'all pay more, yeah? Oh, man. Come on, bro. Come on. I'm the only one that pay Mo. I'm crazy. Hey, you got to chill. I got to get my money back for Mo. Hey, you got to chill. Hey, we got to send one prayer up, bro, for a good friend of ours, man.

45:43Big J, bro. I know we had some great times with Big J. We had some great fun times. Go ahead, Smooth. Say it again. I said RIP to the big fella. Big R.B. Oh, man. Oh, man. We used to have some great time. I tell Cass all the time how he used to play cards with us two. It used to be me, Bill, Josh, and Big J. And we cracking jokes on each other and everything. And if I had a little shindig at the crib, Big J was the first one to show up, bro. So I actually, not accidentally, but I ran into him at an Atlanta Hawks game last season, bro. I don't know if he had already got diagnosed, but, you know, he didn't say nothing about it.

46:22And me and him sat there and chopped it up for probably about 10 minutes. It was a game. I can't remember what game it was. And I hadn't seen him since, bro. And then when I heard the news, I was like, damn. And it took me back to all those memories we had on the plane, the bus rides. Because at the end of the day, y 'all know, bro, once we stopped playing professional, that's the one thing that you really missed, that camaraderie that you have with a cat, me, Josh. You know, what we talking on the plane, the bus playing cards. And it just made me think back how, man, life is short, bro. But Big J was a great dude.

46:54He was. Real quiet. But who gave him the name Big RV? I think you did. You gave everybody a nickname, bro. Hey, Smooth. Then you said he was a bad influence, bro. Bad influence, man. Man, talk about all them alligator hands. Remember he, Big J, say you should never throw that lotion on. You was getting on his head and skin. and you know you grab the cars like that man yeah yeah yeah yeah they was so they was so dry hey hey that's why I feel crazy hey there was days bro there was a day man we had some fun that's one of the best times I had man like I said like no matter what team I played but I put with you guys and Sacramento up there man it was just fun times it was basketball you know what I mean like when I went to New York that shit my career was over, man.

47:45I didn't want to... I ain't going to lie to you. I was done playing. Woody was like, Mike, come play one more season. I'm like, Woody, I'm done, man. He was like, he's like, just come play. I said, Woody, I am done. So like, when I got there, I had no intention of playing no games. I'm not going to lie to you. So when I got there, I was like, man, I'm working out. Okay, you know, I'm going to try. I was out there trying, but I just didn't have it in me no more. So I was like, in the games, Woody would be like, you want to play today? I was like, nah, Woody, I'm cool. me over here don't feel like you need to play me with i worked out already then you know be some games like four minutes left like you're gonna play yeah put me and let me go here and just run a little bit so i mean i was done already but i mean it wasn't the same as um with you guys and coming there like going to you guys i felt i still like i felt like i had a little bit left in the tank you know i mean coming there and just playing okay i'm the older guy on the team let me try to see if i could rejuvenate these guys and you know get them to play and we kind of got in a fast-paced He's playing.

48:42We just played. I mean, and it showed. Like, it showed just the talents that you guys had. And for me to be like an old wheel to come in and just kind of push you guys along, you know, it made my time. Like I said, that was one of the best times of my career being in Atlanta with y 'all. Yeah, hey, hey, we appreciate that, bro. We had a great time. Not only just playing on the court, but off the court as well. Life was great. From Taco Night in Tulum to sushi in Tokyo, every bite is rewarding and post-worthy with Amex Gold's four-times membership rewards points at restaurants worldwide. Wherever you dine, points are piling up.

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53:11Hey, NBA players' Achilles tendon tears are linked to small spikes in playing time, study finds. A recent study found that players log more minutes than their season averages during the 10 to 15 games before their Achilles tendons ruptured. What do you guys think about Achilles tears? Smooth, you tore your Achilles in the big three. Hold on before you get to your story. Jeremy, he tore his Achilles in the big three. Guess who had to wheel him through the airport? Yeah. Look how God worked. Look, I come to the airport. I see Smooth. He's struggling and buckling. He in a wheelchair. I'm like, damn, what's going on?

53:51I said, come on, man. Let me get that man rolling, man. Hey, Smooth, tell us, man. Tell us about that Achilles tendon tear, bro. It's nothing to play with, man. It's no joke. I'm saying, did you feel, before you tore it, did you feel anything? Like, did you feel it getting weak? Did you have any problems a week prior? Or it just, it was normal? No, I didn't. I mean, I think when I dunked the ball, because I haven't did it in a long time, I think it probably put my body in the shot. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like kind of like, you know, when I was playing the big three, I already had my mind made up on how I was going to play it.

54:31Yeah. I wasn't trying to go 100%. You know what I'm saying? You already know. It's a great league, but, you know, you got to be able to – you don't want to go out like – you don't want to blow a tire like that. Yeah, I really don't. In that type of environment, you know what I'm saying? I would have rather did it in the NBA if I was going to do it, you know what I'm saying? But for me to be able to have a healthy career like that and then go to the big three and then do that, it was kind of like I didn't pick a ball up for a minute. But I don't know, them low shoes. I used to wear like mids and highs.

55:05I don't know. I'm trying to blame all kinds of stuff. Maybe because I had some lows on. I don't know, man. I don't know how it happened. But I pumped faked it and tried to pull off that right, but it failed. I'm saying, did you look back? You thought somebody tripped you like it normally happened? Yeah. When I look back and I ain't see nobody there, I was like, I knew what it was. I just shook my head, man. I was like, I couldn't believe it. Man, listen. When we were playing here for the Atlanta Hawks 2000, this had to be 2009, Jeremy. I was sitting out. I don't know if Smoot remembers this, but they had sent me out for like a week.

55:41smooth. Y 'all went on West Coast trip. I think you had them cut up. You had them balled out West Coast trip. I was here in Atlanta with Wally Blaze getting treatment every day. It was your calf, right? Yeah, it was my calf. My calf was sore. I had a knot. I literally had a knot in my Achilles, in the middle of my Achilles, and Doc told me, he's like, it's going to pop if you keep playing. So they ended up shutting me down, Jeremy. So the team going off. I'm just going to the arena every day just getting treatment. Me and Wally Blaze, and after about two days of treatment, I'm like, Blaze, man, I got to break a sweat, bro.

56:14I ain't broke no sweat. Like, they going to come back off this road trip. You know, they going to throw me back out there. I'm already 35, 40 minutes a night. You know what's going to happen. He was like, because, you know, with that type of injury, Smooth, Jeremy, you can't, it's hard to walk, let alone jog, get on a bike. You can't do none of that. Like, when that thing inflamed, it's a wrap, bro. You know what I mean? So he said, man, you should come try high yoga with me and my wife. I look at him, I'm like, man, I ain't finna do no damn hot yoga. That's exactly what I told him. I'm like, man, I ain't finna do no damn hot yoga.

56:46And boom, I grabbed my bag, Shmoo, I left. His wife called me on the way to the crib. She was like, Joe, I think you should come try the hot yoga. It'll loosen up your quad muscles, take the pressure off your knees. It'll loosen up your hamstring, take the pressure off your low back. It'll loosen up your calf muscles, and it'll take the pressure off your Achilles. So I'm like, all right. She done told me something. Nah, I'm willing to do anything to get back right, get back healthy. Hell, y 'all finna come back off the road smooth. I'm ready to get back out there and get to some action. Right.

57:16Boom. Jerry, am I going now? I meet them up there. We do the hot yoga class, bro. I've never in life sweated this hard in my life, bro. I felt like a totally different person after class. After class, I'm talking about I felt like my movement was better. My body had done opened up. You know what I mean? I ain't here. I still got some aches and pains, but I feel pretty damn good. Boom. Blaze tells me, he said, just meet me at the arena the next day, and we just come follow up with treatment. I said, all right, cool. But I was so geeked. I'm like, man, I'm going back tomorrow because I felt good.

57:48I felt like if I go two days in a row, he was like, no, don't go two days in a row. Just come to the arena and get treatment. I was like, all right, cool. But I still went anyway. I ain't telling. Man, I almost passed out in class because I ain't understand hydration. Hydration. I ain't understand, like, how to hydrate, how to replenish the body. Because hot yoga, although it's a detox and it takes all the bad out, hell, it takes all the good, too. So you have to put the good back in. I ain't understand that early. I'm just going, you know what I mean? I'm getting my little stretch on because I wasn't flexible at all.

58:22I couldn't, like, you know, touch my toes or none of that. And without flexibility, you know, you're bound to get injured. You know what I mean? That's what they kept telling me. So, man, I took a liking in the yoga, bro, for Wally Blaze who hooked me up. But if it wasn't for that, I probably would have had a real major Achilles tear. I'm talking about I literally had a knot in mine. Like, I couldn't even walk in the morning, bro. That's how bad it was. So, hopefully, you know, we don't have no more Achilles tears to, you know, none of our top guys in the league, bro. But it's unfortunate because this is what we talk about, German and Smooth.

58:58You know, these guys take the regular season, they just kind of take it as a joke. Not necessarily as a joke, but they don't really take it that serious. They want to, you know, hurry up and get to the postseason. Well, when we get to the postseason, and you out there going full throttle, and you ain't went full throttle all damn year, that's when we starting to see these tears because every possession is idle at an all-time high. You know what I mean? Like, you playing your hardest. So I can kind of see how these Achilles tears are happening, but I hope they can crack down on it, man. I seen my boy Dame Little.

59:35I see he been in the gym. He look good, man. He look like he getting back in. You seen him, Jeremy? Man, that man in that gym every day, every day working hard. Got to admire him, man. Got to admire him for sure. I do, bro. You know. You feeling so good. I seen him running some 17s like you back in high school. I seen it too, bro. Yeah, bro. And don't sleep on what's going on up there in Portland right now. What you mean? What's going on? What you got? You see what they just did in the first round. You're getting Dame back, and they just made a move. Man, them people. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

1:00:06Hold on. Them people out there doing something. They went and got Ja, Jeremy. They can't keep all them guards. You got School Henderson. You got Drew Holiday. You can't run for them. Something got to change, but what they got up there, they got something up there. They got something, but here's the question. That's a second-round team. for sure. Hold on, hold on, hold on. They got something, but here's a question. Will Jai, as great as he is with the ball in his hand smooth, will Jai be able to play off ball? Because we know Dame can play off ball. Hell, he can catch and shoot with the best of them.

1:00:39That's what I was about to say. We got to see what Jai been doing as far as his floor space. Can he catch and shoot? Can he space the floor like how you said Dame can do? Or like how Drew can do, Drew don't master the art of space on the floor as well. So that's going to be the next evolution, next step of saying that's the only way that this whole thing is going to be able to work. If guys are able to play off ball a little bit, let the other guy kind of like run the offense or be able to get touch paint whenever to be able, you know, make teammates better as well. To kind of take that pressure off a job of other guards.

1:01:21Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, hey, y 'all both know, man, the point guard position nowadays is at a premium meaning. Man, if you can't score the ball, hell, if you can't shoot the ball, and that's my only concern, Jeremy, when we talk about Portland, Jai three-point percentage has been bad, bro. I think he low 20s, man, if I ain't mistaken. You don't have – Jai was having to take more off the dribble. In Memphis, he ain't had nobody that can get off the ball and handle that ball and create for him. Now you're getting up there to Portland where you got Dane that's going to handle the ball, you got Drew that can handle the ball, and you got Scoop.

1:01:54Whether they bring him off the bench or not, that can also create open shots for him. I'm not saying he's going to go up there and shoot 45%. But when Dane's shooting that ball at the clip he's going to shoot it at, they got to help off somebody, and that's an easier shot for Ja to take his time. And I'm sure he's in the gym because he's got some get back he wants to get, I'm sure. For sure, yeah. I want to see Ja get back to having fun, man, enjoying the game, smiling. and, you know, doing his little celebration antics. But I ain't going to lie to y 'all, bro. I ain't going to lie. I'm a little worried because, you know, it's a lot different when he was in Memphis and he had the ball in his hands every damn possession.

1:02:33So it ain't really that hard, you know, to get in rhythm. Now you in Portland, you're going to have at least two other elite guards next to you, meaning Dame Lillard, Drew Holiday, or School Hensley. You're going to have at least two of them. and I don't know if the rep's going to be enough, bro. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know if the rep's going to be enough for him to really get in ref form, for him to really kind of get that, gain that confidence back. I hope it is, but if he struggles with shooting the basketball, you know, playing off these guys, it's going to be a lot tougher than what I think people anticipate, bro.

1:03:12I think they got better players around them now. Like Danny has come on. that's exactly what I'm saying you making my point but they make that move they gotta let him be who he is they gotta let him be who he is because if you don't I think he's the only point guard out of all those four that can just touch paint whenever he wants to though I agree he creates a different type of advantage over the rest of those guards because you know you got like Damian Littles coming off of an ACR injury but But even before that, he wasn't really trying to go to the hole and touch paint for real like that. He was doing step-back jump shots and shooting deep threes.

1:03:55Yeah. You know, I think Drew Holiday is more of a set-up guard, but he's getting older. So I don't think, you know, touching paint at will is part of his game anymore. Yeah, yeah. You know, Scoo Henderson, he's another guy that can touch paint as well, but I haven't seen him be an elite playmaker yet. So I would like to see him take the next step of being more of an elite playmaker, you know, because he has the athleticism and the physicality to be able to get in the paint. But I want to see him make his teammates better as well. See how he can see the floor a little bit better. You know what I mean?

1:04:33Hey, I'm with you on this move. Cause he showed me some of that Spurs series and that first round, them first two games in San Antonio. I'm telling you, look, We know the defenders that San Antonio got, they couldn't do nothing with him them first two games, bro. Yeah, that's what confidence do in that moment. When that confidence, that confidence carrying over into next year. No chance. Yeah. But look, though, that's what I'm talking about. Like, damn, Scoot had a great showing in the postseason, but now he coming here, he behind three damn other point guards. Yeah. How he supposed to be able to get ears off?

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