In short
Debate show “Best of LeBron Part 2” arguing the “real reason” LeBron left Miami, whether rings are required for GOAT status, and LeBron’s “no bag” haters. It also shifts into Lakers roster needs and Miami Heat front-office power struggles (Pat Riley vs LeBron), plus brief comparisons of Giannis vs Kevin Durant and KD vs Giannis hypotheticals.
Guests
The episode is a multi-host sports debate format featuring “Ocho” (host/analyst) and “Q” (another host/analyst). It also includes quoted guest content from Dwyane Wade about LeBron’s cookies incident (not a live guest in the transcript).
Key claims
LeBron’s Miami departure is framed as a power struggle—Pat Riley allegedly took LeBron’s chocolate chip cookies on a team plane, which Wade says was a “last straw.” The hosts argue LeBron’s greatness shouldn’t be reduced to rings/MVPs alone, and that “no bag” claims are invalid because LeBron has unmatched career production (50B points referenced) and elite skill/consistency.
Notable examples
Ray Allen’s 2013 Finals shot; 2011 Mavericks hurdle; injuries shifting series outcomes (Kyrie/Kevin Love; Durant/Kyrie/Harden); Lakers needing “one more star” and poor early three-point production; Dwyane Wade’s “cookies” story; Giannis vs KD one-on-one skill debate; “Rudy Gobert trade” used to illustrate how trade demands change.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOLeBron's Greatness Debate
2:11 to 6:45
Discussing the criteria for LeBron James's greatness and legacy.
“No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no contention.”
Impact of Miami on LeBron's Career
6:46 to 12:01
Exploring how LeBron's time in Miami shaped his legacy and success.
“You factor in all the first team, all NBAs.”
Hypothetical Scenarios and Championships
12:02 to 14:00
Analyzing the possibilities of LeBron's success with different teams.
“Yeah, but the finished product would have been the same regardless of where he was at because of who he is.”
The Unpredictability of Talent in Sports
14:00 to 15:48
Explore how talent doesn't guarantee championships in sports.
“If it was to happen, I wish we could rewind time.”
LeBron's Choices and Miami's Impact
18:24 to 22:49
Discuss the reasons behind LeBron's departure from Miami and team dynamics.
“Hey, man, we got to go to a Laker game, man.”
Future of the Miami Heat and Player Movements
22:49 to 28:00
Analyze the Miami Heat's current situation and potential player acquisitions.
“But I also heard that some of the same things that he ran from that he tried to take with him and bring and bestow on these other organizations when he went there.”
The Impact of Cookies on LeBron's Departure
28:00 to 30:20
Explore how a cookie incident foreshadowed LeBron's exit from Miami.
“In the right circumstances, they'll do whatever they feel is the best.”
Analyzing Power Dynamics in Player Management
33:30 to 42:01
Discuss the implications of Pat Riley's control over LeBron's preferences.
“Do you think that might have been the last straw?”
LeBron's Longevity and Body Care
42:01 to 43:32
Explore how LeBron maintains his body and performance at a high level.
“What do you think is the most impressive thing that LeBron is doing?”
Comparing Giannis and KD
43:33 to 45:28
Discuss the differences between Giannis Antetokounmpo and Kevin Durant's skill sets.
“Did you have when you was there with him?”
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Analyzing Impact in Basketball
45:29 to 47:59
Debate the impact and playing styles of Giannis and KD on the game.
“What happens if Giannis gets the ball first?”
The Debate Culture in Sports
48:00 to 53:18
Examine how debate culture affects perceptions of athletes in basketball and football.
“if I take if I take KD out and put Giannis in there with Klay Steph and Draymond do you still believe they win the NBA championships Yeah.”
LeBron's Historic Longevity
53:19 to 55:49
Discuss LeBron's unprecedented longevity and potential to play with his son.
“So when you start and see bigs, we completely removed bigs from the equation.”
The Physical and Mental Toll on Athletes
55:50 to 56:01
Explore the physical and mental challenges athletes face as they age.
The Pain of Aging Athletes
56:01 to 56:56
Discusses the physical toll of aging and injuries on athletes.
“I ain't walk barefoot in almost 18 years.”
The Pain of Aging Athletes
57:25 to 57:51
Discusses the physical toll of aging and injuries on athletes.
“Your away game road trip doesn't start at the kickoff.”
Transcript
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2:11Shannon Sharpe:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no contention. You got to win it. Hold on. It can't be contention because he went to the finals four years in Cleveland. He won one. Yeah. he's only won one title in LA he's been here five years so we can't automatically assume because that's hypothetical we can't let's deal with what we know Ocho we've got to deal with what we know and that's what I'm saying because now without those two extra MVPs regular season without those two extra finals MVPs guess who else you bring into the equation one Stephen Curry because Steph has four chips. Steph has two MVPs and a final MVP.
2:53Shannon Sharpe:So now let's just say for the sake of argument, LeBron has two regular season MVPs, two finals MVPs. Two MVPs, yeah. Are we looking at LeBron the same way? Yeah, we are. No, we're not. He's different. No, not with Ocho. So are you basing his greatness solely on MVPs and titles? No, no. No, but that's how you get into the GOAT debate is rings. Remember? Rings. No. Ocho, what are we saying? You and I both saying you can be great and not have rings. Charles Barkley was a great player. Karl Malone was a great player. John Stockton was a great player. We can't put them on the same stratosphere, on the same pedestal as LeBron.
3:41Shannon Sharpe:But let me ask you a question. if charlie he's in a category of his own with michael jordan the colby ryan's but what does he have rings rings oh i i understand what you're saying but even still just even even without the rings dude dude he's he's oh joe he would without the rings he's not in the gold conversation without the rings he's not in the gold conversation so you see he's out of it he's out of it's not even a debate see for me i don't put anybody i don't put if you look at my top five my top five you have to have at least three regular season mvps that's how i took it three so let me ask you a question yes he had the scoring title yes but he wasn't able to win any rings or championships he couldn't be considered he wouldn't be they would know because he don't have any rings He wouldn't even be in the conversation.
4:39Shannon Sharpe:So how would you put him with no rings? Hold on. Ocho, think about this here. Is it different for football then? No. So the players that were great that have never won a ring, does that mean they're not great? They're not in the conversation because it's a team game. No, here's the thing. But here's the thing. When you look at quarterbacks, name a quarterback. It's Brady, Montana.
5:02Shannon Sharpe:It's Manning. Yeah. Now, see, and this is what we talk about, the levels. This is what we're talking about, goals. Because you can be great and not have rings. You can't. I believe that. I believe you can be great and not have rings. Charles Barkley was a great player. Okay. Look at how we looked at Kevin Durant. Scott, not excuse me. I take that back. I'm talking about Kevin. Look at how we looked at Kevin Garnett before and then after he got that ring. you see the difference look at how we look at it look at how we look at look at how we looked at Dirk Nowitzki before and after he got the ring so my argument is how would we be able to say LeBron is a goat with just two rings when Kobe has five when Duncan has five when Kareem has five when Jordan has six when Magic has five and all the guys that i mentioned are jordan jordan has six has five regular season mvps uh uh magic has three regular season mvps with three finals mvps so you're right but i don't believe without miami because here's the thing we saw i believe and i think everybody out there believe had kevin durant got not gotten hurt in 2019 toronto not beating them no absolutely not But you see what can happen?
6:31Shannon Sharpe:You see what can happen? One injury changed the landscape. Yes. You see what happened with LeBron? Kyrie and Kevin Love got hurt. Changed the whole complexion of the series, didn't it? Right. Kevin Durant in Brooklyn. Kyrie gets hurt. James Harden dealing with a hamstring. You see how things got to be? Now, this is what we know from LeBron. He's averaged 25 points. he's never scored less than 25 points in the season since his rookie year he averages 27 7 and 7 I believe he goes anywhere else and still averages 27 7 and 7 yeah but averaging 27 7 and 7 ain't the same as what he did in Miami and when he got two more MVPs back to back two more finals MVPs back to back it changed the way we looked at him but I still I'm telling you I still think your knowledge of the game of basketball is much better than I am me as an outsider watching in I think regardless of what LeBron tweeted minus Lesherings minus Lesherings my ass I have a feeling that he could have went to any team any NBA team obviously with a supporting cast an efficient supporting cast and done the exact same thing he did in mine I know he could have I know he could have because he's that special of a player he's that special how do we know because remember it takes more than just scoring to win a title a lot of the thing about it speaks for itself ocho think about how close they came to losing the title they was a ray allen back pedal behind the three three the greatest shot in nba history just to survive right so for us to sit here and say well he could have gone anywhere else and won anything it's really not that simple ocho not for a championship is it that simple for him to go somewhere and average 27 77 or the average 30 like he did for the lakers two years ago and like he averaged 29 last year sure he's that he's that he's lebron he's a goal and i said what made me put him there is that when i factored into regular season mvps i factored into finals mvps at three different stops now ocho 30 000 points 10 ,000 rebounds, 10 ,000 assists.
8:53Shannon Sharpe:You factor in all the first team, all NBAs. You factor in all the all-star appearances. You start factoring all of that. This is just not a longevity because there are a lot of guys that played 20. Not a lot of guys. I think there are nine guys that played a total of 20 years or more, but they average in four points. He ain't going to average four. He's going to end up averaging what he's, I don't, I don't know if he'll average 27, but he'll probably be around 24, 25 points a game. And you're 21. Yeah. So, it's not... That's what I believe, though. I think the thing is, Ocho, I think the reason what caught people so far off guard is that this is a totally different audience, ESPN, than when I was at Undisputed.
9:37Right.
9:37Shannon Sharpe:And if you watch me on Undisputed, you know that I've criticized some of the things LeBron has done. We had a play, some of the things that he's said. I think that people had this perception that all I do is cape, cape, cape, cape, cape for LeBron. Right. and that's not true I don't believe any player I don't believe any person is beyond reproach I don't believe a any player or any person is a beyond criticism right because you have being who you are criticism comes along with it right if you don't want the criticism you should not take the praise yeah LeBron is great he's still in my estimation to go but I believe it took that Miami stint to put him on the path.
10:23Shannon Sharpe:Now, going back to Cleveland, going to four more, winning an MVP, going to the Lakers, winning another finals MVP. And he's been dominant. He's been great. So they made it seem like I say LeBron was a bum. Man, if he didn't go to LeBron. And it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, Ocho. Miami benefited. LeBron benefited. A lot of times we just want to say no you benefited but i like to think in a relationship no matter if if it ended or not we both got something out of it right i like that that's that's that's just me now sometimes we're like i ain't get nothing out of that i ain't get nothing right okay i took something maybe if it wasn't up but a damn good meal i got something out of it right but that's a good one man that's a good one but i'm i'm telling you i wholeheartedly believe he could have gone anywhere that was he came to the heat what 20 was it 2012 2011 2010 because they end up losing because think about it ocho think about it now for me had he won 2011 against the mavericks i don't even think i don't even think it's a debate i don't think it's a debate a lot of people can't put lebron in front of jordan for the simple fact of of 2011 they said i just can't do it because i saw guys that Jordan would have scored 60 on.
11:46Shannon Sharpe:They're not putting J.J. Barea on Michael Jordan. They're not putting Deshaun Stevenson on Michael Jordan. And so a lot of people can't get over that hurdle there. But I believe it took all of that to get him to what we see now. The finished product that we see now happened because of 2011. Yeah, but the finished product would have been the same regardless of where he was at because of who he is. because of who he is, the finished product. You can't tell me, well, if he didn't come to the Miami Heat, the finished product of what we're witnessing now wouldn't be who he is. It would still be the same guy.
12:21Shannon Sharpe:No, but you're saying individually. See, I'm not talking about individually. Yes, I still believe he is. I'm talking from a team aspect and having MPPs and championships if he went somewhere else. He could have still done it. But think about it, Ocho. He's averaged probably, look at that, he averaged 30, 29 last year. right 28 29 last year 30 the year before they win no titles i have a question i have a question this is something i don't have in front of me he went to the heat in 2011 right yes yeah i wish i had the rosses of the other team to choose from that he could have gone to and i guarantee you could put at least five or six other teams he could have gone to and they would have been in the finals with an opportunity to win a championship and he had an opportunity to get those mvp finals I guarantee you.
13:07I just don't have the information in front of me right now.
13:09Shannon Sharpe:Off the top of my head, I think I can remember. I know Miami was one. He ended up going to Miami. I think the Knicks. But talking to Rich Paul, Knicks were never really in play. And I think Chicago. Oh, yes. Yes. And I'm not sure the rosters, but yes. Well, you had, at the time, you had D. Rose. You had Yo Kim Noah. You had Taj Gibson. Yeah. Yeah, because that year he won the MVP over LeBron. Come on, man. So you mean to tell me? Jimmy Butler. Oh, championship. Championship, MVP, and a ring with the Bulls that year. Yes. Come on, man. But. There's no but about it. That's an MVP, championship. Trust me.
13:58And it's not even a hypothetical. I put my life savings on that. If it was to happen, I wish we could rewind time. We can't, though.
14:07Shannon Sharpe:See, we can't. Prime D-Roll, Jimmy Butler, Joe Kim Noah, and LeBron. And you mean to tell me they're not winning no chip? We never know. We do know. We've seen, Ocho, we've seen things happen. Just because you have the most talent, you've seen teams. Look, look at the Patriots. Patriots had the most talent. You remember in 2007? And the little old Giants barely made the playoffs. Got them. I mean, who would have thought the Dallas Mavericks would have beaten the Miami Heat? Who would have thought the Detroit Pistons would have taken down Shaq and Kobe? Oh, yeah. Think about that now. Hey, them boys, that was Ben Wallace and them boys, huh?
14:52Shannon Sharpe:Ben, Rasheed, Rill, Chonk, Tayshaun. They were playing some defense, boy. And see, Ocho, that's what I say. You don't know. Right. Let's deal. the only thing i can say for certain looking at lebron james career is that penciling me in for 27 7 and 7 write it in the book and i'm writing and i'm right and i'm writing it in in non-erasable ink you can't erase it that's what i know but championships are a lot harder to come by people keep talking about jordan was jordan was six for six jordan played 15 years so the other nine years he didn't get there when you're moving like i do trips don't always come together weeks in advance.
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18:29you're right you're right well i have a question since we're on the topic of basketball on something that i need to gain a little bit no a little bit more knowledge about okay what do the lakers need outside of anthony davis staying healthy they need one more one more star
18:47Shannon Sharpe:they gotta hit some i mean it's the first time i think in nba history through the first eight games they've made less field goals from the three and shot a worse percentage in nba history they instituted early though they instituted a three-point line in 1979 that was a year after he was born that's when the three-point line chris ford made the very first three-point shot so think about that go back all the way back they've been outscored by 74 points in the first quarter, which is the most in NBA history through this amount of games. Wait, I'll score by how much? 74. Hey, man, we got to go to a Laker game, man.
19:31How much court-sized seats?
19:37Shannon Sharpe:You think somebody always want to go to the Miami Heat with Pat Riley with them 1955 rules? hey listen it ain't it ain't it ain't even bad as you think it is man people make listen when you look at the look at the guys that go there they have some of their best years of their careers when they go there and look at the guys leave i saw dwayne way leave i saw jimmy butler leave i saw lebron james leave now that's three of the best players that you've had in the last 15 years now tell me what i don't know q what you don't know yeah hold on hold on let him let You can chime in after him, Q. We all got family, right?
20:16Yeah. Sometimes you get mad at your auntie or your uncle or your cousin or even your mom boy, your brother or sister, right? I like that. I like where you going. I ain't leaving him. Hey, look, he didn't leave for good. He left and went over his auntie house and then he came back over here and back to uncle's house. He came back. Okay, you think Jimmy coming back? I didn't say Jimmy came back.
20:40Shannon Sharpe:I was talking about D-Wade when we said that. Oh yeah, okay, what about LeBron? LeBron going back to Miami? No, I said family. But I'm saying, the mere fact that family left. If I leave the house, yeah, I might come back when I'm on hard time. D-Wade was a different type of family. Like, D-Wade was drafted homegrown there. That's Dade County. And he left. You can't say the same for LeBron or Jimmy, so it wasn't that same type of thing. He left. and came back and they both admitted that it was some wrongdoings and reasons why they left and they came together and pieced up and it's all love. Yeah.
21:19This is for them.
21:20Shannon Sharpe:This ain't mine. It's all love. But I see D. Wade is part owner in the Utah Jazz. He's sitting courtside in Utah Jazz. Why isn't he sitting courtside in Miami? It's family now. No, no, no. Time now. Time now. D. Wade do be sitting courtside in Miami. He got a statue in Miami and he's a boss. And deservingly so. The smart business man. And deservedly so. But we can't pretend like people aren't fed up with Pat Riley and those archaic ways, Q. That's not being true. You hear it? But it go two ways, though. You got to understand that some of those same ways that people being critical of are the reasons for some of the most brilliant careers that you talk about.
22:02The best version of LeBron James that you know was right there under those archaic rules. Tell me I'm wrong.
22:10Shannon Sharpe:I still like LeBron when he went back to Cleveland. No, you ask anybody in the league. That LeBron, them two years back to back, please. Please. That was hell on wheels, boy. You hear me? Like, please. You talking about everything. Okay, let's say that. Okay, what made LeBron leave? Okay, he had his best years. And then what made LeBron leave? You got that? You're on a 27-game winning streak. What happened, Q? I don't know. I done heard a lot of that. You know what happened? Did D-Wade say it? Did D-Wade say it? I heard about cookies being taken away. I done heard about cookies being taken away.
22:52I done heard about all type of stuff. But I also heard that some of the same things that he ran from that he tried to take with him and bring and bestow on these other organizations when he went there. So it wasn't all bad. you already listen you already know rich mav is gonna be there every day mav is my chief of staff
23:12Shannon Sharpe:not mav excuse me uh uh uh what's the other one that randy randy's gonna be there have you ever seen lebron james anywhere without randy i have not whether it's out in vegas whether whatever the case may be randy is gonna be there you know passion and let him be there oh he gonna be there You want him. You're going to be there. You don't want him. But you know, hold on. You already know when you sign up. If you get Giannis, you see where the Giannis brother is? Where he at? Hey, time out. Time out, though. You just said you already know what you get when you sign up, right? So you can't say that and then say that LeBron came to Miami as a free agent, knowing that the Godfather was the Godfather and the Godfather do what the Godfather does and he always has.
24:06Shannon Sharpe:You signed up for that. I did, but not for the B-Petty and take some damn cookies away. I ain't 10 and didn't clean up. You took cookies away like I didn't clean up my damn room. It could have been a headband. It could have been anything, but the cookies is what set it up. But like, this is what you signed up for when you signed up for the Godfather. I ain't signed up for this. I decided to come down here to get structure. I wanted to play with D-Wade, Chris Bosch, and OK. It got you two championships, and it showed you how to go on the rest of the way and be a champion. Yeah. Hold on. We talk about the heat of the old.
24:40Let's talk about the new heat. Let's talk about the new heat. The new heat, it doesn't matter.
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24:44Shannon Sharpe:It's still Pat running it. Don't say they about to get somebody. No. Yeah, I've been telling you. With what? I'm trying to tell you. I already know. That's what people always understood and knew. Pat Riley, the godfather, is always one move away. He ain't got Kevin Durant yet. He got Shaq, and then they won a championship. He always willing to swing for the fences and do what needs to be done. But he don't have the draft capital to do it. What are you going to do? Think about it. He couldn't get Kevin Durant. He couldn't get Dame Lillard. So in order to get, let's just say for the sake of argument, Kevin Durant.
25:22Shannon Sharpe:What do you think it's going to take for him to get Kevin Durant? He going to have to give up the hero and bam? Then what? Who can he get, Giannis? I don't think so. I told you who he's going to get. I already told you already. I told you, I sat down with Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison. I done told Robert Ori. I done told Iso Joe. I done told Joe already. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you too. I talked to Pat. I sat down with Mickey Harrison. And we going to get Giannis. We going to get John Morant. I'm trying to figure out what are you going to... But see, here's the thing. Listen, we're going to work...
25:54Shannon Sharpe:handful of teams that have the pieces that they want assets because they gave up all those assets to get said players. Q, you know how this thing works. A lot of times, like, man, I want to go over there. And when you get there, they had to gut it to get you. And so now you're there in the same situation you were in where you left from. They're not going to be able to... I don't see how they get to Kevin Durant in Miami and keep Bam and Tyler Hero. Oh, you're talking about I want Duncan Robinson and Highsmith? Hey, you'd be surprised what these deals shake out once these players step out and say that they want to be moved.
26:31We've seen like guys ain't been like been yielding what you thought. Like when you look at what Rudy Gobert got in his trade and didn't trade. He got four first rounders. Yeah. What started happening after he did that? Nobody was getting all of them first rounders. And it was looking like how did Rudy get you get Rudy for all of this and you get such and such for all of that. that it wasn't going the same way. They're not giving as much up, especially when these teams, like when you get put in that pigeonhole, like a player come out and say, hey, I want out. I want out. Like you done. You done.
27:05Like, shit, we ain't got to be at your beck and call because we're basically helping you at this point because your dude just said he won't out. So no matter what happens, you got to get out. Or your situation is blown up. So at that point, if they exhausted to a certain point, it'll get bad.
27:27Shannon Sharpe:See, I told you. But here's the thing. Why did it get that bad? Why did it get that bad they couldn't make and pull the trigger for Dame Lillard? That question, I mean, I don't know the answer to that. I thought that was a done deal like everybody else. Because they didn't want to give up Tyler Hero. I don't see a scenario where a team doesn't get Tyler Hero back as a piece. Do you see that scenario? you never know, man. I didn't see a scenario on the planet where Dallas was trading Luka, but look what happened. Yeah. So I done learned my lesson. Like, I done seen Shaq get traded. You know what I'm saying?
28:05MJ left the Bulls. Like, anything can happen. In the right circumstances, they'll do whatever they feel is the best. That's just how it go. And then they're going to tell you that's good business. You know what I'm saying? It's what's best for the organization. That's why I don't be mad when players go do what they got to do.
28:22Shannon Sharpe:I don't see it. People have been talking. Pat Riley was supposed to have done had Kevin Durant. When Kevin Durant was a free agent. When Kevin Durant got traded. When Kevin Durant was a free agent and Golden State. He didn't go. LeBron was there, so he couldn't go there. Okay, when he goes to the Knicks. I mean the Nets. Then what? No Pat Riley. He gets traded to Phoenix. Still, no Miami Heat. I mean, at some point in time, Ocho, you didn't give up.
28:54Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, D-Wade says the first moment he thought LeBron might leave Miami is when Pat Riley took his cookies. Let's take a listen to what D-Wade had to say. That was funny. This was the first moment where I had an inkling that LeBron may not be back. One thing you don't do is f*** with LeBron cookies. No, no, no, no. This is serious. Like, he loves chocolate chip cookies. Like, chocolate chip cookies and ice cream he loves, right? And so when he gets on the plane, Brian walks on the plane with a bag of food. One bag is all cookies, and the other bags are what his chef has prepared for him to eat because he eats a certain way.
29:30He don't eat what's on the plane.
29:32Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. But, you know, he have his cookies. So we get on the plane, and we play cards at the front of the plane. We play cards, and then at some point, I'm going to be like, hey, bring me those cookies. And this one day, he was like, hey, where my cookies at? And they had to come up there and whisper his in and tell him there were no more cookies on the plane. Yeah. That set back. Away from the game. He pushed that table, that cards back. He sat there quiet. Doing his head like this. I was looking, I'm like. He ain't play cards no more. He sat there like this. Hey. You see. You see what that calls Pat Riley.
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33:58So, hey, I have a question. Do you think that might have been the last straw?
34:03Shannon Sharpe:Yes. Because, look, there are some things that LeBron wanted, like Maverick and Randy potentially traveling on the planes, having access like that he had in Cleveland, so forth and so on. We know Pat Riley limited that if he didn't mix it all together. Okay, fine. Probably, but here's the thing. You knew that when he came in there. Because LeBron's team, LeBron's going to lay out what he expects. When he went to the Lakers, he told Magic, Randy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's going to be on a plane. He's going to travel. Rich Paul. Maverick. Okay. Do you want... I'm sure when Tom Brady went to Tampa, I need my guy to be here.
34:52Shannon Sharpe:I need him to be able to set up, so forth and so on. Okay, you knew that. You knew that. You get the man there. It's almost like a recruiting visit. Oh, yeah, you're going to start. You're going to start once I get your ass on campus. You're going to sign that letter of intent. I do what the hell I want to do. Now you can't do that anymore because them guys are jumping the portal on your ass. Oh, excuse me. They're jumping the portal on your tail, Ocho, and then you're in trouble. But I don't get this. Pat Riley, I mean, there are some things that he said about he was telling Phil Jackson and Phil Jackson.
35:22Shannon Sharpe:He got up like LeBron wanted to stay and then like for Thanksgiving, blah, blah, blah. And I just, but I can see now. I can see now. To do that, that's pity. That's you. That's you trying to show I run the show. Yeah. I mean, see, and that's unnecessary because think about LeBron staying a few extra years in Miami. How many more rings do they get? but you sacrifice that because you want to prove a point in showing that you're in a position of power and you want to over abuse it and even now, there's stuff with Jimmy Butler I'm not saying Jimmy's right, I'm not saying Pat is wrong because internally I'm not there but there's always an issue where there's a power struggle it shouldn't be a power struggle if you want to do one thing, the main thing should be the main thing If you're part of the Miami Heat, Pat Riley's main goal should want to be winning championships and having the best team and the best product on the court to do so.
36:26Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, if cookies were the issue, do you know how many cookies would be on that damn plane? Oh, I got you. Yeah. Do you know? Yeah. Where do you want the cookies from? Are these gourmet cookies that we need to go to a special shop or these regular chips or some type of chocolate chip that we can buy from a local grocery store. Right. I just need to know LeBron what it is because I promise you there is not a superstar player in any sport. Let me ask you a question. If Shalway Tani shows up and says he wants something special, they're going to have, if he says there's a Japanese cuisine that I need to have before every game And I need to make sure when we travel, I have it.
37:12Shannon Sharpe:I guarantee you they're going to have it. Absolutely. If Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, if whatever superstar player, if Shea goes to OKC, I don't know what the delicacy is in Oklahoma. I've only been there once. But I guarantee you, if Shea says, I want this on the plane, we're going to have that. I mean, little old me, I said, Mike, we want to watch the fight. Mike would have it. Mike, we won't need this on the plane. Mike would get it. You mean to tell me you took LeBron James cookies? For what? Right. If LeBron's overweight, I see it. Hey, bro, you need to cut back on these. Right. When has LeBron James not been in shape?
37:54Shannon Sharpe:We marvel at his body in year 22. Pause. We've done that since he was getting to the league as an 18-year-old rookie. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a time that LeBron has not been in shape. but like you said this was a power trip you won the battle you lost the war Pat that's unfortunate that's unfortunate now we don't even have a chance to come out east I think we matter of fact we still coming out east go ahead y 'all can't beat Boston y 'all can't beat Cleveland y 'all can't beat the Knicks what we can't what beat Boston, Cleveland or the Knicks not in a seven-game series. Y 'all might win a game, but y 'all ain't winning seven games.
38:40Shannon Sharpe:Y 'all not winning four games. I know. I just want to get excited. I just want to get excited. I know. We need two more pieces. And you hear how D. Wade explains it? D. Wade said he knew he was upset. Said that man pushed back from the table, and he didn't play cards no more. Yeah. Yeah. Don't mess up my routine. Don't mess up a routine that I'm probably... Think about how long LeBron been doing that routine of having those cookies on that flight. Yes. Shit, man. Let me get up out of here. I mean, I've heard D-Wade is not the first person that I've heard LeBron crazy about chocolate chip cookies.
39:23Shannon Sharpe:Right. And to do that, I thought that was petty. I think it was unnecessary. I think it was Pat Riley trying to prove a point that I run this show, and if I don't want no cookies on this plane, ain't going to be no day damn cookies on this plane. And LeBron said, you know what? You're right. This your ish. Yeah, I take my show on the road. And he did exactly that. Shams is predicting that LeBron's next season in the NBA will be his last, which will be a poetic end to number 23. Year 23 for number 23. They have the All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles. So to me, it's a very storybook if that's the way it goes.
40:00Shannon Sharpe:But that's a decision he's got to make. real you just watched a man in your 22s make second team all nba if you'd have made first team i don't think anybody's mad if you put him in over donovan mitchell donovan got in bless it he averaged 24 8 and 8 he doesn't really have to do the heavy lifting anymore because of luca so he's he and ar still there so now you put him in the dunker spot you let him play off the ball. He's still going to be in the 20 points. How long do you think LeBron wants to play? How long is he going to play? I've always said he was going to play until Bryce got in the league.
40:40So when Bryce goes to Arizona next year.
40:43Shannon Sharpe:That'll be year 23. So in order for him to play with Bryce, he's got to be 24. So I give him 24, 25. Yeah. And if you get 24, you got to mind for him to make it 25. It's like, I ain't worried about nobody getting 25 years. And if you get to 25, you might as well get 30. Nobody can hold up. You might as well keep going. At 23, that'll be 41. 24, that'll be 42. 25, that'll be 43. That's the same age Tom Brady was when he retired. 25 years in one profession. That's legit. That's a long... Man, you're a dark-drawn lawyer. You get that many times, and you're in a day of military. Right, exactly. so you know it's not only to not only to play that long but to be dominant that long to play at that level be consistent and be one of the best to average 24 points a game in year 22 there are some guys that didn't average 24 points for a career there are some guys that didn't I mean never had a season in which they averaged 24 there's guys in year 22 doing that right when you look when you when you look at Look, been around the game.
41:57Shannon Sharpe:Your dad coached the game, so you've been around basketball all your life. What do you think is the most impressive thing that LeBron is doing? Is it the year 22? Is it the ability to go out there and still give you average 24, to go out there and give you a game where he can give you 30 average, you know, for a week, give you 30 straight, go get you 40? What do you think is the most impressive thing at this juncture? Look, all the 21-time first-team All-NBA, 21-time All-Star. So we get all that. But I'm talking about what you're witnessing now. What do you think the most impressive thing that you've seen him?
42:35Shannon Sharpe:And you was with him for four years. You watched him every single day come in, get shots up, run, cold tub, massage. You saw it all real. What do you think the most impressive thing that LeBron is doing currently? I always said that the way he takes care of his body, when he paid attention to his treatment and stay on schedule with that, that attests to his longevity and never really being hurt or having a major injury. So just the way his body is holding up, like his skill set is going to be his skill set. He puts the work in. You see him putting the work in after games or after practices. He's always the last one shooting or someone getting up shots or working on different moves.
43:12So the way what he puts into the game is what he gets out. And also what he puts into his body is what he's getting out of his body. So to me, it's just the longevity of, you know, being that consistent of no injuries, no major injuries, bouncing back and still being healthy enough to do what you do and do every day.
43:31Shannon Sharpe:You was with him. LeBron got there. So you was there. You was with him. 11, 12, 13, 14. Did you have when you was there with him? Did you have any idea that LeBron James would still be playing 12 years later? Um, no lie, I did. Just because, like, I tell people this all the time, Brown would really get treatment if he was in the club. Like, he would literally have something on his knees or something on his back inside the club. So it's like, once somebody's doing that, like, that's a real dedication, just to be in the club with treatment. Ice therapy or whatever. This man, hold on. Real, this man got ice bags on his knees.
44:11Shannon Sharpe:Not ice bags. He got ice bags on his back. Like, the steam machine, where it's, like, shooting electrolytes or electricity in your knees and stuff like that. just hamstrings, like lower back. He always got something that's recovering, making his body recover. So that's the thing. It's like, once you see that, that's a different type of dedication. Like, I'm not, I have to take my hat off to that one. Giannis has now more first team All-NBA selections than Kevin Durant. Giannis has seven, KD has six. What more does Giannis need to do to pass KD all time? I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible.
44:48Really? I don't think it's possible. Just because I look at KD's skill set, there's nobody going to be as skill set as KD's. Ball handling, be able to shoot the ball, better get to the spots he's going to get to. I don't think there's going to be another Greek freak either, but Giannis' offensive game is not polished enough like KD's for him to be better than KD's.
45:13Shannon Sharpe:So you just look at it aesthetically. I'm just looking at it. When I look at somebody and I say who's better than somebody, I look at, I put them in a one-on-one matchup and see who would dominate that one-on-one matchup to a game to five. And I think KD would get Giannis 5-4, 5-3, maybe. I just got him figured just offensively better. Wow. What happens if Giannis gets the ball first? Same thing. I think KD still figured out how to win. I think KD gets to stop before. How? One-on-one? With Giannis? Because Giannis is all down here. Now we're playing three or four. Exactly. So how KD stopped that?
45:45We're playing three or four dribbles downhill. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? We play different ways. Now you got to tell me the rules. You got to tell me the rules now. Yeah, the NBA players play. We play one-on-one, three or four dribbles max. So in that type of setting, I'm not taking Giannis over KD. I'm not taking too many people over KD in that type of setting.
46:05Shannon Sharpe:Okay. Giannis has five first-team all defensive, four first-team. KD has none. KD does have two finals MVP. Giannis has one. It's – huh? No, Giannis has two regular season MVPs. KD has one. That's going to be very interesting. That's going to be very interesting. When their career – Yeah, he's going to have a hell of a career. That's the thing, but it's still – you're not better than KD. I think – you know what? I think a lot of that has to do with aesthetically because we like guys that can handle the ball, shoot, flashy. I mean, there's nothing like really – Giannis' game is really like old school.
46:52Shannon Sharpe:Like the 70s, you know, just trying to get down here post. I mean, he still – I mean, he don't – three-pointed doesn't shoot that well. He ain't really got no mid-range. His post is not great. He's basically getting downhill, laying the ball up, you foul him, or he's spinning dunk the ball. That's Giannis. it's still hard to stop because he's averaging 30 60 % from the damn floor so it's still hard to stop it's just not as it's just not as pleasing to the eye is what we watch KD do you're comparing two different players and two different skill sets all together at that point regardless of accolades and what they've accomplished on their resume it depends on it's all on preference at that point I see that I see that it's a
47:43it's
47:45Shannon Sharpe:but whose impact who's impacted the game more oh shit that's damn near the same almost huh yeah I think that's a tough one right there because let me ask you this if I take if I take KD out and put Giannis in there with Klay Steph and Draymond do you still believe they win the NBA championships
48:18Yeah. Yeah, I still give it to him. I don't think about the scoring aspect, but yeah, I still give it to him because then that way you take, and your dollar doesn't have to guard Brown by himself. Now you got two or three bodies that can guard Brown and that's going to be a little bit different. So yeah, I still give it to Golden State.
48:35Shannon Sharpe:now if I take KD and I put him on Milwaukee the year they won the year they won they beat Phoenix you think they still win the championship with KD and Giannis out I mean they barely got past Brooklyn so oh yeah I think so I definitely think so KD if he just step on that line Milwaukee don't win that championship
49:01Shannon Sharpe:that's gonna be when it's all said done that's going to be a very interesting conversation. That's going to be a very, very interesting conversation to have because they are so diametrically different. Nothing about one's game reminds you of the other. One is, as you said, Rio, is one of the most skilled players, one of the five most skilled players that we've probably ever seen with his size, being seven foot tall, being able to handle the ball. He can shoot the three. He got the midi. He got the hezi. he can get to the rim. He can free throws. He's an 88, 89 % free throw. So he's as skilled because guys that size, they normally play center.
49:46Shannon Sharpe:They play with the back to the basket. We ain't seen no guys shoot. And Dirk can shoot the ball. Dirk was not putting it on the ball, going between his legs, going behind his back, doing what KD's got. He just wasn't doing it. Not even close. I mean, Dirk had that, Dirk patting that one leg step back. he's shooting he's going to draw rain but and skill I don't know if you're ever going to see a guy at his size and skilled as KD because of his ability to shoot the right LeBron responds to the no bag comments and mind the game podcast and shuts up haters he said I see it all the time I'll be on social media and be like LeBron has no bag LeBron has no bag I'm sitting here with 50 billion points.
50:35Shannon Sharpe:That's it. That's all you got to say. But what else you going to say about that? I mean... All these people that got bags, let me ask you a question. Of all the people that got bags, how many of them are going to have more points than LeBron? Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. So, I'm talking about whoever got the bag, whoever we think has a bag, Kyrie, James Harden, Steph Curry, who else we think got bags? Who going to have that many points? Nobody. Hey, listen, I don't think Michael Jordan had a bag like that. When you're talking about handles, he was just efficient. Yeah, he wasn't a handle that thing like Kyrie or Steph Curry.
51:13Shannon Sharpe:But he was efficient in getting to his spots. And when he raised up the shoe, it wasn't nothing you could do. You just had to hope he missed. Yep. But this is the thing that – and I am a Jordan fan, right? Yeah. So, you know, I respect the greatness of LeBron and the greatness of Kobe, right? Like, why is it in basketball we got to tear down one to love the other? That's what debate television has done, J.O. When you pick one, I got to accentuate my guy while all the while addressing the flaws of your guy. And in addressing the flaws, it looks like I'm hating, but I'm just pointing out weaknesses in his game while accentuating the highs of my guy's game.
52:00Right. But Ocho, is it happening that way in football from a quarterback perspective?
52:05Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Yeah. Yes. All the time. Because we like Brady, Mahomes, we had Peyton Manning. Yeah. You do you do that once debate because you got to pick a side. The days of like straddling the fifth. You used to be, well, I like them both. Now you can't. You can't be on TV. You can't be on radio. you can't be on podcasts because people go to well hell i could have said that right right yeah but i'm not saying no damn reels of of peyton and brady versus brady or whoever else the way that you see it on lebron like i see it's like this it's like what jordan did this or this or lebron didn't do this as an or vice versa right it's like they don't social media i'm like why is it why is that such a divide it didn't used to be it didn't used to be like that until debate television came along, JL, because there was never a situation where we were debating bird and magic like that.
53:00Shannon Sharpe:We didn't do it like it is. But here's the thing. Prior to this, nobody had ever had what LeBron had, the points, the rebounds, the assists, the all-NBAs, the all-stars, the MVPs, the finals MVPs. So nobody was really even close to really have a comparison because nobody had been a four-time finals MVP. LeBron got that. Nobody had that many MVPs. So when you start and see bigs, we completely removed bigs from the equation. Kareem got six MVPs. Ain't nobody talking about Kareem. Russell got five. Chamberlain got four. But don't nobody talk about the bigs because, man, somebody got to get them the ball.
53:39Shannon Sharpe:The other guys that we talk about, they can take the ball and do what they need to do themselves. So that's where we are now. It's only in sports where you can have a comparable comparison because you don't see it in baseball. ain't nobody being compared to Barry Bonds nobody being compared to Walter Johnson or Greg Maddox or all these great it's just for whatever reason it's basketball and football well that damn boy LeBron James he uh LeBron James he how many more how many more years you play JL you give him one year two year three years I think he done after this year you think he's done after you're okay 23 you know Bryce Bryce can be eligible to come to the NBA
54:34Shannon Sharpe:you know if he do that I'm a golden right if he can get if he can get both his kids in there first of all that'd be that'd be amazing to be able to be honest but to just see that man and play with his son to have that level of longevity, that consistency, you know, to keep himself together and still play at the highest of levels. Yes. You're not going to see that again. You ain't going to never see that again. That's historic. Historic. You know, when you think about today's players, today's game, the type of money they're making, like the grind that you got to put into that, you know what I mean, to have that type of longevity, I can't see it happening again, guys.
55:20Shannon Sharpe:Their record, whenever he's done, however many points he put up, man, ain't nobody catching that. I don't see it either because I don't know if anybody, because he's been the one guy that's been able to play and avoid the big injury. Yeah. Everybody's had a knee. We see guys getting Achilles and things like that, J.O. LeBron James has been able to avoid that injury. Yeah. Those type of injuries that sideline him for 50, 60 games or an entire season. well I'm gonna say this to y 'all y 'all know this offhand we talk about the physical ability and what it take to put that together but we know when we on the other side of the hill mentally and emotionally y 'all man you see it coming you know you hurt yourself in it you hurting body aching knees hurt ankle man you don't even want to go to the bathroom jail your body hurt ankle the knees hurt so bad like I think I can wait what time is it yeah I got another two hours in.
56:18Shannon Sharpe:I can wait. I ain't walk barefoot in almost 18 years. I don't walk barefoot in either. I hurt too bad. I walk around with Crocs or saddles in my house. I can't put my barefoot in. I ache.
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Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson join Quentin Richardson to discuss why LeBron left Miami and debate claims that LeBron has “no bag” despite being the NBA’s all-time leading scorer.
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