In short
The episode is a March Madness recap and debate focused on major upsets and coaching decisions. Main topics: North Carolina’s first-round collapse after a 19-point lead vs VCU (including claims that Hubert Davis “needs to be fired ASAP”); Texas beating BYU behind AJ Dybantsa’s elite scoring; Duke surviving Siena; and other bracket-shaking results like Wisconsin over High Point and High Point’s upset history.
Guests
The episode features hosts Joe and “Uncle Ocho” (no other named guests appear in the transcript).
Key claims
UNC failed to adjust defensively, repeatedly allowing VCU’s “Hill Jr.” to beat them one-on-one; Caleb Wilson (a projected lottery pick) being injured is cited, but the hosts argue UNC still built the 19-point lead without him; Hubert Davis is criticized for lack of in-game adjustments and recruiting/roster-building.
Notable examples
VCU’s comeback to win 82-78 in overtime; Duke’s comeback vs Siena 71-65; Texas over BYU 79-71 with Dybantsa scoring 35; High Point’s late-game upset vs Wisconsin 83-82 led by Chase Johnson’s 14 points (four threes) and a 2-point basket with 11.7 seconds left.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VONorth Carolina's Upset Loss Analysis
3:41 to 6:40
A discussion on North Carolina's shocking upset loss to VCU in the tournament.
“A race to 19-point deficit to stun the sixth seeded North Carolina Tar Heels by the score of 82-78 in overtime.”
Hubert Davis's Coaching Decisions
6:40 to 12:12
Debate over Hubert Davis's coaching effectiveness and adjustments during the game.
“I'm telling you, like, VCU, hey, they crawled back in their game, bro.”
The Importance of Attracting Talent in College Sports
14:02 to 16:41
Learn how financial incentives impact recruitment in college basketball.
“Now you see Cal, you see Cal getting a bunch of them now at Arkansas where it was basically Duke and Kentucky for all the one and dones.”
Comparing College Programs: North Carolina vs. Duke
16:41 to 19:16
Discover the differences in player development and recruitment strategies between top college programs.
“You respect a coach, man, who can be straightforward with you like that.”
The Changing Landscape of College Athletics
19:16 to 22:11
Explore how modern recruitment strategies and NIL deals are reshaping college basketball.
“them, them, when you go to the club, when you go to the club, they got about 30 of the fans standing right out there, right in front, lay there, and they usher them right on in.”
Personal Connections to College Basketball
22:11 to 24:15
Hear personal stories that explain individual fandom and connections to college teams.
“How is North Carolina your squad if you from Georgia?”
Duke's Narrow Escape and Historical Context
28:14 to 33:52
Discusses Duke's close win against Siena and its historical implications.
“Number one overall seed, Duke survived number 16, Sienna, by rallying.”
AJ DeBonza's Impact and Draft Potential
33:52 to 35:16
Analyzes AJ DeBonza's performance and his future in the NBA draft.
“Man, he was 311 for the free throw line.”
Draft Predictions and Team Strategies
35:16 to 38:08
Speculates on team strategies for the NBA draft and potential picks.
“We're going to catch him in July in the NBA Summer League.”
March Madness Bracket Discussion
42:14 to 44:31
The hosts discuss their brackets and the impact of recent upsets.
“So one of y 'all had, Ocho had high point, I think.”
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High Point's Championship Journey
44:32 to 47:59
The hosts analyze High Point's performance and upcoming matchups.
“for like interior design and things like that.”
Gonzaga's Game Overview
48:00 to 53:18
A breakdown of Gonzaga's recent game and player performances.
“I'm going to see you on the show, Joe, Saturday.”
Sibling Rivalries and Fan Reactions
53:19 to 56:00
The hosts discuss personal rivalries and fan reactions to the tournament.
“I know they always disciplined Uncle Ocho when they play.”
Family, Criticism, and Online Reactions
56:00 to 58:40
Discussion on perceptions of family life and public criticism online.
“Or anything I say is from, it's life experience.”
Authenticity and Entertainment in Media
58:40 to 1:01:20
Exploring the authenticity of their conversations and how it's perceived.
“If I was so-and-so, I wouldn't mess with Ocho no more.”
Navigating the Podcasting Landscape
1:01:20 to 1:04:20
Insights on what makes their podcast unique compared to others.
“Hey, but Joe, but after I say all that, you're still going to get these hands, though.”
Duke's Basketball Performance Analysis
1:04:20 to 1:10:00
Analysis of Duke's recent basketball game and player performances.
“is the tail of two halves for Cameron Boozer.”
The Evolution of College Basketball
1:10:00 to 1:12:08
Discussing the changes in college basketball recruitment and player expectations.
“You're not going to stay there long enough to graduate.”
Comparing Duke Legends
1:12:08 to 1:14:14
Analyzing the impact of Duke players like Christian Laettner and Grant Hill.
“But who the best Duke Devil to come out of there and play at the next level?”
Back-to-Back Championships Discussion
1:14:14 to 1:16:48
Exploring the rarity of back-to-back NCAA championships and notable teams.
“Now, if you talk about like transition, like the ability, he wasn't fast.”
Transcript
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3:47Number 11 seed, the V.C. Man. A race to 19-point deficit to stun the sixth seeded North Carolina Tar Heels by the score of 82-78 in overtime. The Rams pulled off the sixth biggest comeback in tournament history, the second-largest second-half comeback behind Nevada 22-point rally against Cincinnati in 2018. For the third time in the last four seasons, the Tar Heels have failed to reach the round of 32 under Hubert Davis. Hubert Davis, biggest blown lead. He had a 15-point lead his first year at Carolina, Joe and Ocho, in the National Championship game. He coughed that up. In 2023, he missed it.
4:28In 2024, number one seed he lost in the Sweet 16. 2025, first round loss. 2026, first round loss. And the first round loss this year after having a 19-point lead.
4:44I hate saying this, Joe. I really do. What's that? But after watching what Hubert Davis, I mean, they went out early in the ACC tournament, lost Clemson. They lose in the first round after having a 19-point lead, and it's a continuation. And watch him sit on the sideline and make no adjustment. Yeah. Because if you watch Hill Jr., he gets it going. They don't trap him. They don't blitz him. They don't do anything to get the ball out of his hand, and they let him continuously play one-on-one. That's on the coach. How did VCU get back into this game and ultimately win this game in overtime? I think, you know, when they got down, you know, I mean, you can look at it like the last game.
5:23You want to, you know, you want to scratch and cloud just to stay in the game or get back in the game. Okay, Ocho. He's a junior, you got it going. And honestly, this really don't surprise me, Ocho, because North Carolina's best player, Caleb Wilson, he's done for the season. be a top five pick in this NBA's draft. You know what I mean? Yeah, I would give you that. I would give you that, Joe. He's the 16-11 kid from Atlanta, Georgia. Which one? Caleb Wilson. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he broke his... He broke, yeah, he had a hand injury, then he ended up tearing a thumb ligament, right?
6:10Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. That's 20 and 10. You can't make that up. Yeah. Yo, I would concede that to you. I would concede that to you. But guess what? They had a 19-point lead without their 6 '11 great player that's going to be a lottery pick. So they built a lead without him. You can't say, well, if they'd have had him because they had a 19-point lead in the second half without him. Go ahead. They clearly couldn't sustain it. They clearly couldn't sustain it. I'm telling you, like, VCU, hey, they crawled back in their game, bro. It was impressive to watch. But, yeah, I mean, North Carolina got great contribution from guys to win the game, obviously.
6:51They're a team. But without Caleb, man, I just kind of – I ain't even lied to you, I ain't really been paying attention to no Char Heels because I know they ain't going to go far. Yeah. For me, Joe, is that you see a guy heating up. That's rule number one. get the ball out of his hands. Why would you continuously let him play one-on-one when he's beating you? He's beating you off the dribble. He's getting to his spots. He's hitting the threes. And you still do absolutely nothing to get the ball out of his hands. I can see if we get trap him, Joe Inocho, and other guys start to heat up, then we're going to have to make adjustments accordingly.
7:32And maybe we're going to have to play this thing straight up. But to make no adjustment, Hubert Davis made no adjustment. He continued to let Hill Jr. play one-on-one, and it got him beat. He had 11 in the first half. So he like, damn, hey, cause he kept a minute in the first half. And then when they got down, he got, now he got 16. Now he got, I'm like, bro. And when he got one-on-one with that big and hit that step back, I said, that's good. I said, it's over. Okay. Hey, once you give a team confidence, give them some life, Ocho. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. It's hard to turn a team down once they get rolling, once they get steam rolling.
8:11That's what happened with VCU. They confidence was through the roof. Go ahead, Ocho. Now, I'm going to say the Tar Heel game, I couldn't get it out here where I was in New York. BYU, Texas, Kennesaw State, and Gonzaga were the two games I was able to watch. But I wasn't able to see that one based on where I was, based on my location out here. But if you look, I mean,
8:35a 19-point lead, Joe, as a sixth seed. But like I said, and I don't advocate, but I just think, there's no question in my mind they can get somebody better than Hubert Davis at UNC. That's still a premium program. That's a blue blood. That's like somebody going to Ohio State. That's like Alabama. That's Michigan. That's USC. That is a premium program. And for them to be floundering around and losing in the Sweet 16, not even getting to the Sweet 16, not even making out of the round of 32. That's unacceptable for that. For that program, for that institution, that is unacceptable. Oh, yeah, because they're too prestige.
9:21They're not going to let that continue to go on. Hey, Joe and Unc, listen, as prestigious as they are, the history that North Carolina has, and you saying him not making the adjustments necessary in game, what if he doesn't have the players to make those adjustments? Even though you were up 19, what if he understands that if I make adjustments, it's going to put my players in certain spots with them being exposed based on who we're playing. You got up 19. Yeah. You got up 19. Hold on. So how did you do that? Hold on. Stay with me real quick, huh? Yes, I'm here. Hold on. You got up 19 early in the game, right, Joe?
9:55No, it was in the second half. Okay, in the second half. So when the other team, the opposing team, makes certain adjustments that you need to based on what you're doing. so you can't go up 19 and they find a way to call their way back into the game, then what do you do? You get the ball out of the hot guy's hand. It's just like a receiver. If you're going off, what do they do? They double you. We're going to make you throw the ball to Chris Henry, rest his soul. We're going to make you throw the ball to T.J. Huchmanzada. We're going to make you check it down. But I'll be damned if we're going to let Ocho play one-on-one out here.
10:24He's already got a buck 50, and we're not trying to let him get 250. That's what you do. It's simple. The hot man basketball, Joe, you see this all day. Joe, you know this better than anybody because you played the game at an elite level. A hot guy, they coming with the trap. Yeah. They coming. They got to get the ball out of your hand. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. When you get a guy who get it going like that, you got to try to turn his wad off. You got to sit in two, throw him off rhythm, you know, make him give it up a few possessions, then let him get it. But yeah, I agree with you, Unc. They didn't make no adjustments.
10:58And this is what you get. You know, when we out there competing, bro, it's hard for Kester to really be like, hey, man, come on, switch. Let me get him for a minute. You know what I mean? He tearing you up. Hell no. I don't want that headache. Hey, that prime kick, he just scored a few. He like, damn it. I got him. I got him. I got him. Yeah. What? And we saw this tonight with Luka. They let Luka play one-on-one. I don't know what Spoh was thinking. You just saw your guy score 83 less than a week ago. Yeah. So you mean to tell me you're going to let Luka play one-on-one? All he was doing was calling for the high pick.
11:29Okay, he go, hey, he get a, what's the one they got? They just got from the Clippers. They traded from the Clippers. I forget it. Norman Powell. Yeah. Womp, womp, womp, womp. I mean, step back after step back after step back. Oh, Joe. When he go to make it there, when he tell you when he making that, bro, I'm talking about as deep as he shoot, he can shoot it with a hand in his face. Man, 60 points, bro. 60. Look what a game, man, fellas. Look at the scoring. That's why, you know, this is what people want to see. They want to see these dudes put up these type numbers, man. 60. But I just, it's going to be, considering Ocho and Joe, considering who North Carolina is, it's going to be hard for Hubert Davis to go in there and convince the alumni, the boosters, and the president that he should remain in this role, given.
12:25Bro, look at these. Come on, man. That's Carolina. That's Carolina. That's Coach Smith. That's Roy. Best play out, Coach. Best play out. You had a 19-point Ocho. That's like you played with Carson's not there. You got a 24-point lead, and then how do you go to the media and say, well, we couldn't well, you know we was missing Carson. Well, you didn't have Carson when you built the 24-point lead. So what happened? Yeah. So you can't if you if you lose this game, if you're if it's nipping tough, I can give you that. If I get blown out, I can give you. We don't have our best player. But you didn't have your best player and you built a 19 point lead.
13:09Yeah. So now you can't use. We didn't have our best player argument. Right. The reason why you lost the game. You lost the game because when one team made the adjustments to cool you off, you didn't make the adjustments to cool their best player off. Yeah, yeah. There has to be, like, okay, a chance. When you play in chess, okay, you got moves. But you got, okay, if you see where he's going, you got the counter moves. You got the counter. You just can't keep going the same course of action. And that's what Huber Davis did. He didn't make any adjustments. He rarely make any adjustments. Yeah, I wonder what his recruiting class looks like.
13:50I think that'll probably determine a lot too. You know what I'm saying? Does he have any top guys who've committed to North Carolina? More time than not, the one and dones, they go into Duke first and foremost. Now you see Cal, you see Cal getting a bunch of them now at Arkansas where it was basically Duke and Kentucky for all the one and dones. Yeah. They were getting all the one and done. So if there were 12 one and done, those two teams had 10 of them. Yeah. Kansas might have got one, and then somebody else got arbitrarily had 10. Yeah, yeah. You know what he need, though, huh? What's that?
14:33Instead of finding Joe, he need to go to the boosters, go to whoever's in positions of power. I need a little bit more money to get the players we need to to be able to compete in these tournaments. That's why I asked. But here's the thing, Ocho and Joe. do you believe he can get you ready for the NFL? Because when they go to Ohio State, what does the track record show? Those receivers go to the NFL. Those D linemen go to the NFL. Those offensive linemen go to the NFL. Those linebackers go to the NFL. When you go to Bama, so you going to some arbitrary school, can he get me ready to go play in the NFL?
15:07Can they get me ready to go play in the NBA? Because that's all I'm stopping off. I'm going to class the first semester. after Christmas, I ain't going back to class no more. Hey, you know what, too? We know it's funny, too, Uncle. Think about it, too. You look at some of these players that go to the Alabamas, especially when it comes to football, when they go to the Alabamas, they go to the Ohio States, they already prepped it NFL-ready. It's just about going to the right institution, fine-tune all the other things and attributes that you need to be able to get to that next level. North Carolina is that type of program.
15:38All it is is about how do I attract the players that can be NBA ready or that can be prepped for the NBA, how do I get them to come here? If we understand how college is now with the NIL money, hell, what's the one way to get them? You got to pay them. You got to pay to play. You got to play the team that are winning now, whether it's college, I mean, whether it's football or basketball, money talks. This is the business now. This ain't like college in the old days. We're not going to North Carolina just because Michael Jordan went there. just because some of the other prestige players that played in the NBA went there.
16:14No, we trying to get to that bag. Hey, listen. Go ahead, Ocho. I think even when you look at Coach Kyle's situation, Uncle Ocho, at the University of Arkansas, you know, he catered to the players. He lets you know, man, I'm only playing seven guys. I'm only playing seven guys, Uncle Ocho. He're telling that? Yeah, that's what he telling him. Yeah, he telling him, I'm only playing seven guys. This is how it's going to go. So you got a real understanding. You respect a coach, man, who can be straightforward with you like that. You know what I mean? And he's like the portal. He's like the segue to the NBA for guards, bro.
16:51He got – I mean, he going to have two guards go to the league this year. Yeah. Yeah. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that if you look at Carolina's history, they haven't had a whole lot. They haven't – basically since Roy left, they haven't had that cavalcade of guys going to the NBA. they've been Duke because you see the Brandon Ingrams, you see the Jason Tatum, you see the Zion Williamson, you see the Cooper flag, the Conk Knepple, you see the Jalen Johnson, you see boom, boom, boom. Well, that's where I'm going. You saw this with Alabama. You see this with Ohio State. That's where I'm going.
17:25You understand what used to be. Oklahoma doesn't get the same level of player that they once did. USC doesn't get the same level of player they once did. So in my process, I'm thinking, okay, Joe, if, oh, Joe, I can get a million dollars to go here or let's just say 500 ,000. I get 500 ,000 to go here. I get 500 ,000 to go to Duke or I can get 600 ,000 to go to North Carolina. Where am I going? Duke. Exactly. Yeah. So unless the money is just astronomical. Yeah. Now you're talking about, okay, 500 ,000 versus a million. that's something but a hundred thousand dollars and I know what Duke's track record is Zion Williamson number one overall draft pick Brandon Ingram number two pick Jason Tatum number three pick Cooper Flagg number one overall top five top six I see Jalen Johnson I see all these guys year after year after year after year I see RJ Barrett I see Cam Reddish nah bro I'm good I'm just being honest.
18:36Hey, Joe, look what you just said, right? So with you understanding that, right? You still want to give coach a little grace and understanding that I'm not getting the players I need to be able to compete because everybody going to other places because the money is better? He can't attract them.
19:00See, he can't attract them. That's a problem in and of itself too. Yes, sir.
19:07I don't care what type of club you got. Gotta be relatable to these players, man. If you want the high rollers to come, what you gotta have, Ocho? They gotta have that money, bro. You gotta have them fans, you gotta have them, them, them, when you go to the club, when you go to the club, they got about 30 of the fans standing right out there, right in front, lay there, and they usher them right on in. Yes, sir. Cause those, when the guys see those, they gonna go in there with a bottle service. That's how it works. So you have to have something to attract them. You're not catching a lion or a tiger with an empty trap.
19:41You better throw a carcass in there, a zebra, an eel, a real beast or something. Something. You got to attract them with something. And I'm not so sure North Carolina, just the Tar Heels and the Jumpman brand, I'm not so sure that's enough anymore, guys. Hey, they got to call Mike. Joe, they got to call Mike. Mike, we need to open up the wallet a little bit more. Nah, the playing field too even now. You know, there ain't really no advantages no more to go to North Carolina or none of them. Nope. You know what I mean? Like, you know, if you good, they gonna find you, partner. Yeah. Nowadays, it's too much going on.
20:25It's too many ways to be visible. And the way the streaming thing is going, and they stream everything, so they ain't gonna miss you.
20:36You remember Alabama? Remember how Alabama had that thing on the choke, hold on, choke? All the five stars for about 10, 15 years. We're going where? The receivers and running backs. Yeah. Back to back. Back to back. Matter of fact, the funny part to me is I'm confused. Why do players, especially if you look at the production that came out of Alabama, they had no problem sitting behind each other waiting they turn. They could have been anywhere. They was gonna find you regardless. Yeah. When you got Mark Ingram, you got Derrick Henry, you got Alvin Kamara, you got a Drake, Kenyon Drake, TJ Yeldon.
21:13Yeah. And you just pumping them out. Boom, boom. You got to go. Because if you don't go to the NFL, you might be on the bench. Mm-hmm. That ain't gonna look good. Nah. That is not gonna look good. but hey, your freshman year, you run for 900 yards, your sophomore year, you a backup. Yeah, yeah. So you got to go. Yeah. Those wide receivers, you get Julio, and you get Ridley, and you get Amari Cooper, because here come Jerry Judy, here come Jalen Waddell, here come Henry Ruggs, here come Devontae Smith, they coming. You got J-Mo, they coming. You got to leave. Yeah. It ain't that complicated. Yeah.
21:53You got to leave. Same thing with the DBs. Look at those DBs. They pumping them out. Sertain. Arnold. Minka. Yeah, they have some good ones, boy. McKinney. It's a new day. I'm done with North Carolina. I'm going to find me a new team. Oh, that was your squad? Yeah. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Oh, man. Where you? Oh, where you from? I'm from Georgia. Okay. How is North Carolina your squad if you from Georgia? Are you just... You gotta realize, Ocho, this go way back. I first came acquainted with North Carolina. North Carolina came on my radar in 1981. They lost the national championship game to Indiana in Isaiah.
22:42That was the same night that the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan's life. Okay, they lost. Isaiah, Randy Whitman, Rolando Turner. Yeah. They had James Worthy. They had Jimmy Black. They lost. The next year, guess who comes in the next year? A guy with his tongue hanging out his mouth. Join. Yes. And guess who they played for the national championship? Georgetown and Patrick Ewing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we go back 40 plus. I go back 40 plus years with them. Hold on. I got another question. Okay. I'm glad you said that. So you became a North Carolina fan. Yeah. Once when they lost to Isaiah Dem, then Jordan came in the following year because Jordan was there.
23:25Okay, now I'm a fan of North Carolina. Yes. So that means you're a fan of Jordan. Yeah, I like Jordan, yes. Okay, okay. So who's the greatest NBA player of all time? LeBron. Two things can be true. I can like Jordan, but LeBron is a better player. It's subjective. Yeah, it's subjective. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, we go back. Yeah. Yeah, Kenny Smith, and they had Sam Perkins, they had Matt Daugherty. What's Kenny Smith? Yeah, the Jet, he went to North Carolina. He was on the team with, not on that national championship team, he was on the team with the two years after. Two years after. Okay. Yeah. Now they had a squad now, they had a squad.
24:10Oh, when they had Rasheed Wallace and Stackhouse and J.R. Reid. Yeah. Oh, that one used to be loaded. Hey, hey, when they had Vince Carter and Antoine Jamison over there too now. Yes, yes. Well, you know Coach Smith, Coach Demond, then he turned them over to Coach Guthrie. Yeah, yeah. Remember, because he didn't want to leave the coverage there. Yeah. Hey, them boys was a show. Yeah.
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28:15Number one overall seed, Duke survived number 16, Sienna, by rallying. They were down 13 at the half, but they come back to win by 6, 71-65. The top seeded Blue Devils needed a late rally to overcome a double-digit deficit. Duke became the first number one seed to trail by double digits, 11, to a 16 seed at the half. Duke is the eighth and number one seed in NCAA tournament history to win by six or fewer points against the 16 seed. The three of the previous seven lost their next game, the only one to win on to reach the Final Four. Georgetown won by one, lost in the Elite Eight in 89. Was that the Princeton game?
28:55I think that might have been the Princeton game. Oklahoma, 89. They won by one, lost in Sweet 16. Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan, Duke in 26, Gonzaga, and Illinois. Oh, Illinois, that's when they had, what you call them? That was Kendall Gill and Nick Anderson, though. Who was this? Hey, hold on. Illinois in 1989. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Kendall Gill and Nick at night was on that team. Hey, Kendall Gill played for the Supersonics, huh? Uh-huh. Kendall Gill played for the Supersonics. I think so.
29:37I don't remember if he did. I remember him playing for the... If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the 89 team. Wasn't that Lou Henson?
29:52Yeah, Marcus Liberty, yeah. Mr. Basketball, yeah. Hey, Duke got lucky. Duke got lucky today, huh? They did. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe and Uncle, if Duke was playing anyone else outside of Siena, they could have lost that game. They could have lost to Siena. See this - I mean, they could have, but them goddamn Boozer boys is hell to deal with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got them. Evans was balling too. Yeah, yeah. But a better team, Joe, a better team outside of Siena, they win this game, especially being up double points. Well, the thing is, the thing is, Duke, they starting point guard went down. I forgot his name, but he didn't he ain't been playing.
30:34I think he out out. And when you got two freshmen in your lineup, obviously they brothers they twin brothers. They both played well tonight. Uncle Ocho the Boozle boys. They both played well to get them boys over the hump. But if it wasn't for that because it was looking shaky I seen them down 10. I said, hold up. Yeah, they washed him on the glass though. They were plus 12 on the glass. Yeah. Cameron Boozle, you know, he had 22, but he hadn't been shooting the ball. He got most of his points at the free throw line. But he's a load on the glass. Oh, yeah. You got to keep him off the glass now.
31:07Yeah, you got to keep him off the glass. You got to make him work, too. You can't just let him walk down there and just stand right there on the box. Like I say, you got to start bumping and grinding from the three-point line. As soon as he crosses half court, Ocho, I'm hitting him with that shoulder. I'm catching him right there at the free throw line. All the way down to the block. I got to weigh you down. Yeah. Yeah. You can't let him walk you down, though, Joe. Nah, you can't. You can't, bro. Hey, I'm going to tell you something. Any of these guys who can put the ball in the basket, these scores, especially in college, because when I'm watching, I'm looking how they playing defense.
31:38Obviously, when you get into the NBA, defense is a lot different, man. Guys really know how to play. They know how to bump, grind, the little nuances of the game they can get away with. But I don't know how far Duke can go, man. They didn't really impress me today. I ain't got them going to the Final Four. I know that. I think I got to win maybe one more game. Yeah. That's it? That's it. It's just hard playing on that neutral site, bro. Like, you ain't really no advantage, Ojo. Yeah. That's why we – Hey, Duke travel well now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it'll feel like a home game even though you're not playing, you know, at home.
32:18Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, look. All the, you know, your Dukes and your Carolinas, teams like that that are basketball power, they're going to travel. Just like Ohio State and Alabama, your football power, they're going to travel. Georgia, they're going to travel. They're going to travel. This is, hey. And they're number one. They've been there for a long, long time. Yeah. And they rank number one. They are number one overall. Yeah, number one overall team. So, yeah, you know they're going to travel. Mm-hmm. and you know, Coach K, I mean, Duke is synonymous with Coach K. He was there for such a long time.
32:56I remember the first time, when he played for the national championship in 86, and they lost to Purvis Nelson when they had Tommy American and Johnny Dawkins, Jay Billis. Yeah, yeah. And they lost to Purvis Nelson in 86, Louisville. and he's just been getting he's just been getting players every time. Greg Hill, Thomas Hill, Christian Lake, the Cherokee Park, Trajan Labby, just on and on and on and on and on. Go ahead, don't you want to say something? No, no, no. I'm listening. I'm listening. But but Duke, hey, what did they say? What's the theme? Survive in advance. That's what you got to do.
33:38That's exactly what Duke did.
33:45number 11 Texas gets past AJ DeBonza and the BYU Cougars 79-71 AJ DeBonza played every minute of the game but it wasn't enough as BYU has his season and probably his college career come to an end DeBonza 35 points with 2 points of time BYU tournament record for points in the game held by Danny Ainge and Jimmer for debt
34:12Mattias, I don't even know how to say his last name, but he had 23 and 16 for the Texas Longhorns in 33 minutes. He was 10 or 17. Man, he was 311 for the free throw line. Who was that? But AJ did AJ things. I'm not so sure I'm not taking him number one overall. I think there's too many for me. Just for me now. Somebody else might feel differently. I think there's too many red flags for Peterson. So you're saying you're taking A.J. Warren? I'm taking A.J. DeBonza. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the red flag with Peterson, huh? Him taking himself out the game, not being available? Yep. I mean, hold on.
34:52But when you look at upside, though, as far as making it to the next level, who can come in both? Both can come in and make a difference right now. DeBonza, though. I think. I mean, I can't teach 6 '7", 6 '8". 6 '9". That boy's 6 '9". Okay. I can't teach that, Ojo. Yeah, he played well. He played well tonight. Shoot, Texas did everything they could. Every time he got the ball, they trapped him right away. Sometimes he had to get the ball up off of him. Hey, that was it. That was his last game, fella. You think so? You got it, Joe? We're going to catch him in July in the NBA Summer League. We catch him in Summer League.
35:29Come on out here. We catch him in the Summer League. That's the next time y 'all going to see that boy playing. You hear me? Yeah. Who got the first pick, Joe? We don't know yet. We don't know yet, but I'm going to just be honest with you. It's a lot of guys who can still improve their draft stock. Yeah. But for the number one pick, I'm almost willing to bet whoever team get the number one pick, they picking AJ first. I agree with you. I think that, listen, I think the people know, man. I know they do everything with the little, what you call it, the ping pong balls? The ping pong balls? You think they cheating?
36:05No, I'm not going to say they cheating, Joe, They know who for the, you know what I'm saying? You know how they do. Hey, well, listen, check this out. I'm going to be skeptical if Utah get the number one pick. I'm going to be skeptical because I'm like, hold on, they didn't kept AJ in Utah for the past two, three years. Hey, let me think about it. He ain't go to Duke. He went to BYU. Yeah. He went to BYU. Yeah. Don't they, hey, there's a reason why Utah been sitting they started the guys they playing the guys having surgery out for the rest of the year and the nba don't find them a half a million dollars for pulling that bull jive hey they try to increase the ping pong balls if they get if utah jazz get the number one pick boy i know something they're gonna get it you know what it should be everybody to keep y 'all from doing this bull job everybody get one ball, one ping pong ball.
37:04And we pull it out, we pull it out. Yeah. Hey, the killer part is if OKC mess around, get the number one pick. Oh, Lord. How about that?
37:19They don't necessarily need it, but they could, hey, they could secure the future for a long time. They mess around. I don't even know. I don't even know what they would. Who would they trade? They got Chet. They got Hardenstein. They so lucky right now. They so deep. They guard heavy. Oh, man. I don't know. I just be thinking different scenarios. I'm like, man, listen. Man, the number 12 high point stuns. Fifth seed, Wisconsin, 83-82. Chase Johnson made a two-point basket of the season on the fast break layup with 11.7 seconds remaining. Johnson finished with 14 points, including four three-pointers for the Panthers, who were 10.5-point underdogs.
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42:44Huh? You don't even know what High Point is. It's insane. Wait, I don't know. You know, I don't know where it's at. It's in North Carolina. We didn't know where it was. Yeah. Hey. It used to be known as the furniture capital of the world. Yeah. Hey, I bet your, I bet your bracket all messed up now. We didn't pick, nobody picked High Point? Yes. Man, nobody picked. But I know who picked St. Louis to beat Georgia. Who? Did you really? Ended up that Ash. Ash a hater, man. Man, you're gonna have somebody work for you to be hating. Hey, Joe, what's your bracket look like now? I don't know, Ocho. I gotta take a look at it.
43:23I gotta take a look at it, but I wouldn't - We gonna show brackets at the end, but I'm looking pretty good. I know I'm looking better than y 'all two. No, no, no, no, no. My bracket's still intact. Your bracket is intact. Hey, look, why you talking about High Point? That's who we got next. That's who the Razorbacks got next. Y 'all in trouble, Joe. What you mean we in trouble? Y 'all in trouble, Joe. Hey, Ocho, you remember them blinders you talking about? Yes, sir. Yeah. Hey, Tunnel Vision, baby, we focused. You hear me? Listen, I know y 'all focused, Joe, but who gonna deal with Rob Martin, Joe?
43:56Man, listen, hey, look, we ain't worried about that. I'm just saying they got something for Acuff. What they got? Hey, you saw him, hey. Because ain't nobody had the recipe. Tell me what it is. I mean, they got the recipe. Man, please. Okay. Hey, hey, hey, we fast, athletic. We cause ruckus, put you in uncomfortable situations, Uncle Ocho. You know, we playing good ball, man. Them dudes look good out there. Boy, my Razorbacks look focused. Man, High Point, I mean, look, I know where High Point is. As a matter of fact, Byron's son went to High Point. I think it's like a designer school. Yeah. You know, yeah.
44:38for like interior design and things like that. Hey, guess who they go design on, huh? Go design on Arkansas. It's kind of like, isn't a high point of like an artsy school? Hey, hey.
44:55I know they had some boys eating their glass. Yeah, they had 40 rebounds and 30. They didn't get beat that bad on the glass. They just, you know, Wisconsin didn't put them away when they had a chance to. McHoy had 22, I mean 27 Blackwell had 22 Rap had 12 but High Point had 5 guys in double figures yeah yep yeah we locked in but I know High Point messed a lot of people's brackets up yeah I know they did that of course they did oh his high school was High Point He's from North Carolina. No, he went to Kentucky. High Point is the first Big South team to win an NCAA tournament game since 2018, first four when Radford defeated Long Island.
45:47The parents are also the first Big South team to defeat a higher seed since number 11 Winthrop defeated number five Notre Dame in the round of 64 in 2007. Yeah, I've been to High Point. Hey, really? Yeah, it was called, I don't know, I don't know, I think somebody told me that. But it used to be called the furniture capital of the world. Because all the big furniture, you can just go there and you get it at wholesale. Whatever you want? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody from High Point, is it still called the furniture capital? Or has the crisis, the housing crisis, did that destroy it?
46:37It still is okay. All right.
46:43Darius Acuff scores 24. The Arkansas Breezes past Hawaii, 97-78. Darius Acuff Jr. had 24 points and seven assists. Arkansas moves on to face number 12 high point in the second round of the West Regional. Are you nervous? Nah, I mean, hey, Ocho, look, we had all five starters in double figures today. Yes, sir. That mean we playing great basketball. You hear me? You know, High Point had five starters, I mean, four starters in double figures and somebody off the bench in double figures. That mean, look, we had 26 assists. That mean we making plays for everybody. You feel me? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:23We gonna be hard to guard, too. I don't know what you talking about. You talking about them. What about us? Okay, yeah, yeah. Y 'all nice. to shoot that three ball better. Joe, y 'all been nice all year. Joe? What'd you say, um? Y 'all gonna have to shoot that three ball better. Y 'all was 4-19 from the three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But see what it is. See, we hang our hat on our defense. Our defense, you know, it puts our offense in overdrive. You feel what I'm saying? Because we get turnovers, we get stops. And offensively, even though we got young guys at the helm, at the point guard spot, we don't turn the ball over, bro.
47:55We value every possession. We understand the moment. Man, dude, hey, they ready. We locked in. All right. City locked in, Ocho. It sound good. Hey, when that game, Monk? When they play? Saturday. Saturday, yeah. Okay, yeah. I'm going to see you on the show, Joe, Saturday. Yeah, I'm on. You know who's from High Point? Who? Fantasia. Oh, I know she grew up in a good church over there, boy. I don't know nothing about the church, but I just know she's from High Point. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, hey, to sing like that, huh? That ain't no church background. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:30That's church background. Oh, and Jasmine Sullivan. Yes, dude. All right, let's check the brackets. Let's check the brackets. Let me see, man. We forgot the game, huh? You heard me? Huh? What we forgot, man? We forgot the Kennesaw State game. Tell us about it. Go ahead. So who's on top? Oh, okay, okay, okay. That's my bracket's on the top. So let's go. I had Duke, Louisville, Michigan State, Vanderbilt, Nebraska, Carolina. You sorry. I had Houston and I had Illinois. I had Arkansas, Gonzaga, Michigan, St. Louis. Next one is Ocho. Yeah, Ocho. Ocho had Duke, Louisville, Michigan State. He won with Nebraska.
49:27He won with Illinois. He won with Texas A &M and with Houston. He won with St. Louis, Michigan, and Arkansas. Joe. What do we got? I'm winning. I don't know, Joe. No, you're not. Ocho, why are you asking so hard? I think the flow between you and I, though, Joe. You had Duke. You had Louisville. You had Michigan State. You had Vanderbilt. You had Nebraska. You had A &M. You had Houston. Yeah, you had BYU going a long way, Joe. Did I? Yeah, you did. Damn. Arkansas, Gonzaga, St. Louis, and Michigan. So you had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. You had 12 wins, Joe. Ocho had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 wins.
50:22and I had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven wins. Oh, I'm winning. Right now, Joe is in first place with twelve wins. I got eleven. Ocho has a team. Don't worry about it. Hey, Chad. Hey, Chad. Chad. There you go. Hey, Chad. There you go. See, you doing too much, Joe. You doing too much. Can I talk to Chad? Chad. Chad. Hey, listen. Hey, the man don't play by me, okay? I'm locked in on these boys, man. These boys can't beat me at nothing. I'm locked in. Joe, that's the first round. First, we got a long way to go, Joe. I really was talking to Chad. You and Ocho just happened to be on here.
51:04I'm talking to Chad. Me and Chad having a conversation. Y 'all just so happy to be on here, but locked in, baby. There you go. I had to spare. Hey, North Carolina mess you up, ump. No, I had them to win, but then I had them lose the next round to Illinois. Okay, okay, okay. I ain't worried about Ocho. He picking mascots over there. We good. Ocho, you got North Carolina to beat Illinois. Got them going on pass. My bad. I can't believe BYU. I was just going to prestigious school, known for basketball, making it far in tournaments. I mean, listen. Yeah, we know. We know you picked the mascots. My bad.
51:53Okay, Ochoa, you want to tell us about the Gonzaga game, hold on. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey Joe, listen to my basketball prowess. Let me see what you got, let me hear y 'all. Yeah, let me know when you're ready. Go ahead, I'm listening. Oh, so listen, the Zags, the Zags-Owls game, it was good, obviously Kennesaw State, being a team that's not as good as the Zags, right Joe? I mean like, you understand what I'm talking about? so every possession matters every offensive play matters you know you're when you choose to shoot the ball shot selection matters moving the ball around keeping everybody moving finding the right plays finding the right shots boom you winning the game yeah you was winning the game but obviously the better team the zags you know they they came back and won but what what i want to say is right The thing is, I can't remember the big center.
52:47I think his last name was Ike. Ike? Ike. Is he right? For Kennesaw? For the Zags. Oh yeah, the Ike guy, yeah. 19 points. Hey boy, he was here to deal with down in that block. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they was trying to find him. They were swinging the ball and finding him when he could. He had his way down there. Then they had a young bull on the Zags too. He kept hitting a goddamn three. He was number four. I can't remember his name. He came off the bench. He came off the bench. Getting money. He's getting money at the arc and he putting that ball in the floor, getting to a spot every time. Yeah. I know.
53:18I don't think I got Gonzaga going far. I know they always disciplined Uncle Ocho when they play. You know, they're going to play a good disciplined game. But, you know, I don't think I got them going that far. Hey, that's not fair, man, too, man. But Kennesaw State, hey, you know, Kennesaw State, Joe, that's us. That's the nigga. Right down the street. Man, who put that up there? Well, let me see. Oh, King Ice. Hey, listen, man. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, let me tell you. Let me tell you on Ocho something, man. We're coming up on a year of us hanging out. You know, it's going to April going to give us a year.
53:57And until the other day, we had been on the, you know, everything had been on the up and up. We had all been all good. You know what I mean? Yeah. Don't you mean, Joe? It's just when somebody tried me, I got out of - I understand. I, you know, I gotta put the smack down. I gotta put out a mean demonstration. And I hate for it to even go that way. I really do. I'm gonna do it. Hey, you know what? You, you, hey, Joe, you ever grew up with siblings? Nope, I'm only child. Hey, man, hey. Hey, you ever grew up with siblings, huh? Man, you know I got a brother and a sister. Okay, so y 'all, y 'all, y 'all get into it sometime.
54:31Y 'all go through little quarrels sometime, huh? Man, look at it, man. They got all kind of stuff up there with you. Oh, yeah. Look at this one. Look at this one, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Ocho, Ocho, I understand where you coming from. We just having a little rip, but we gonna go and get our little fade out the way. We still love each other, but we gotta get that fade out the way. Hey, Joe, listen, listen, Joe, I love you like a brother, Joe. I love you like a brother, you know? You feel me? I love you like you're my son, you hear me? Yeah, yeah. But you gonna get this work, though. Yeah, that's how I see.
54:57Hey, why I'm getting here? Shit, that's what's gonna happen.
55:03Hell, you talking about what you think? What you thought was gonna happen? It ain't gonna happen like that. I ain't got, listen, I got discipline in that ring. My hand definitely ain't finna be down like that. I got discipline too, bro. That's the thing, so. Man, they got Joe with a row, Atlanta, Hulk, Rowe, Big Street, Joe Johnson.
55:25Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, look at this one. They got an Ocho. That's it.
55:33Man, they got Pocho. They call it Pocho. Penochio.
55:39Hey, hey Joe, you finna feel my rad, Joe. You gon feel my rad. Man, Joe, I think Joe the hot guy his own personal graphics team. Hey,
55:56that's the perfect pitch he needs too here. Hey Joe, listen, Joe, I don't lie. Or anything I say is from, it's life experience. It's things that I've experienced in life, Joe. Yeah. I got you. I got you, bro. You know? I got you. I love you like a brother, but you're going to feel like you're fighting two people when you get in there with me, though. I can tell you that. Hey, you know what's funny? I don't like... I don't like... The people on the outside... They take everything so serious. Like, people. Man, look at... We family. What are y 'all? Yeah, they writing think pieces and they writing a thesis.
56:36Hey, hey. Hey, oh, oh. Oh, they, hey, hey. Oh, but Ocho, you got off easy. They had me on the Shade Room. They had me on the Jasmine brand. They had me on everything. You? Sheldon don't love his kids. He don't love his family. Now I see why he's single. I said I ain't have no problem. I just said Ocho should have gave Joe a heads up. But then, then it came out what actually happened. The hate room ain't nobody put nothing up there. Ain't nobody said nothing. I said, well, damn. So I'm trying to figure out, y 'all deduced, I hate my kids. I think I did a, I think me and them moms did a pretty good job.
57:18We got three college graduates. The last one is in residency. Got another year of residency. She'll be a fool, a real doctor. I thought we did a pretty good job. I all love my kids. I hate my kids. I don't like my family. I see why he's single. and everybody that probably said that, single just like me. They're making me, yo Joe, they're making me like me and you, the only ones that ain't married. Everybody else, everybody else that be in the chat, be married. I was like, man, get your ass outta here. Hey, hey, these people in the chat, they going through the same problem we go through. Man. Of course.
57:57Same everything. I don't know why everybody be trying to act like they all perfect and - they do we just happen to live hours in front of everybody else that's that's it it's man oh man ocho ocho bed i was like bro y 'all take this way too serious yeah it ain't that serious not it's not but i you know what but hey you know you know what it is though go ahead what is it hey uncle joe what's that what it is it's great it's great entertainment it's organic it's authentic it's authentic nothing is scripted these things are happening they're recurring in real time yes you know that situation it was real yeah it was real yeah but we get on here we talk about it we jab we jab at it you know you you get on me yeah i accept accountability it's a real situation but then we keep going but we do it in an entertaining format right right But everybody, they take it so serious.
58:56Oh my God, and he did this. If I was so-and-so, I wouldn't mess with Ocho no more. Wait a minute. He's lying. I mean, they kind of got some points, though. I mean, I can kind of see where they coming from a little bit. You know what I mean? I ain't going to see that. You might not agree with him, but you understand this joke. I can kind of see where they coming from. You know what I mean? Listen, hey, Joe, I don't. I don't because they don't live in no glass house. They ain't no better than me. I think, look, a part of them, some of them do. Some of them not happy for us, Ocho. I think the vast majority, look, because I think the thing is the street committee, that's what I call the internet street committee.
59:42Yes, sir. For the most part, when you see somebody out there, it's all positive. Yeah. When I see people out there, it's all positive. Yes. Joe, you see people, it's all positive. I don't get nothing negative but on here. Yeah. I don't get anything. Only thing is Twitter and IG. I don't have, I mean, I ain't looked at Facebook in 100 years. But that's what it is. But all I'm saying is if you get something wrong, you know, be mad enough, a woman enough to say, you know what, I was wrong. Right. But the shade room, you got it wrong. But instead of saying you got it wrong, you pretend like y 'all didn't hear nothing.
1:00:18Jasmine Brand and everybody else that ran with it, like y 'all ran with it, come on back. That's all we ask you to do, to come on back. When Ocho gets something wrong, he'll say, Unk, I was wrong with that. I get something wrong, I'm wrong with that. But you take a clip, because you can tell the people that watch Nightcap regularly, he's like, y 'all missing the point. Ocho had asked for the tickets. Unk ain't saying he shouldn't have gone to the thing. Unk said he should have just gave Joe the heads up. That's all I was saying. But they took it, man, Unk don't love his kid. That's why he went to the game.
1:00:52He went to the game. Whoa!
1:00:56No, I wouldn't. I don't really schedule anything. Listen, I... We ought to do this. Hey. I tell you what. What? There's a reason why we the best there is out there. For sure. And you can't replicate it. Nope. Hey, listen, hey, Uncle Joe, we ain't got to talk about nobody. We ain't got to be negative to get the views, to be entertaining. Everything is organic. The stories are real. Man, ain't even close. Hey, but Joe, but after I say all that, you're still going to get these hands, though. I give you a prime example. Guys, I give you a prime example. Everybody that had a pod, what did they talk about?
1:01:38The hottest story, the trending story was Kenyon. Yeah. We didn't talk about that. Yeah. Because I don't feel, I don't feel, I didn't feel, now if you want to talk about it, Ocho, we could have talked about it. But I don't feel I have anything to add. I didn't feel like I had anything to add to it. Yeah. Yeah. All this other stuff that was going on. We don't talk about we don't talk about other people because I think there's enough stuff happening that we can talk about that without mentioning them. Yeah. Absolutely. People don't want to hear you constantly talk about Shannon Sharpe or Stephen A.
1:02:08Smith. They want to hear you talk about your sports show. So talk about some sports. Yeah. Hell I ain't played sports in a quarter of a century. but that's what makes us unique. We talk about sports. We can make things entertaining. We'll take the simplest things and make it very, very entertaining. People want to be entertained. At the end of the day, people want to be entertained, but they don't want to be entertaining while you constantly trying to berate somebody and put somebody down. There you go. That's the thing. Okay. Hell, I ain't did anything entertaining in quite some time. I plan on leaving it that way.
1:02:50Hey, don't wait. Hey, I take care of the entertaining part. You hear me? You say what? Let me take care of the entertaining part. Let me be the villain. That's my spiel. I'll be the bad guy. Ocho, they taking things that we said, like I said, in the first month, and you and I were joking in the first month of the show. Yes, sir. They played it now and people say, see, that's why it happened. Bro, I said that three years ago. But because you take the clips, you want paint, paint, try to paint me in a negative light and people don't know any better. Cause if it's up there, if I post, if we post something today, people going to assume it was said today or yesterday.
1:03:38They're not looking to see man. He said that about not going to girls' house three years ago. Yeah. Why y 'all talking about it now? But I get it. It took me a while to understand. I'm like, I see what y 'all trying to do. Y 'all realize what the algorithm is. Y 'all know who's in the algorithm. Mention his name. People gonna click. Hey, Shannon Sharp won an Oscar. Click. Shannon Sharp was walking down the street. A car broke down. Click. It is what it is now, Ocho. So we just gotta accept that. We just gotta, Joe, I'm sorry that we roped you into it. But you a part of it now, so anything that Ocho and I do.
1:04:24Guilty by association. You guilty by association.
1:04:32Duke Blast TCU. About a score of 81 to 58. is the tail of two halves for Cameron Boozer. In the first two points, he was 0-1 on the first half. Two points on 0-1 field goal and plus or the minus, plus minus or minus five in 15 minutes. In the second half, he was 17 points on seven of nine shooting, plus 20 in 19 minutes. Joe, he got it going in the second half. And as you can see, they had it going. They didn't need him to do a whole lot. But, I mean, they shot 55 % from the floor. they shot 87 % from the free throw line, excuse me, 20 of 23 from the free throw line because they're so big. Man, they're tall teams.
1:05:16Huge, boy. I mean, hey, and they get offensive rebounds. They get put back. You ain't got no choice but to foul them. And the Horned Frogs were overmatched. And, man, Boozer, he's something. Hey. He's something. He started off slow, Uncle Joe. Yeah. But, boy, he made Cam Boozer, made that thing look so easy in that second half. Yeah. Yeah. I think the problem is, is that when you when when he's struggling, you have to put some separation between you. Yeah, you can't be down. Right. He's struggling. He's struggling. He's giving you 22 and 10 on the season. You got him at two points. You better a you better be and you better you need to be in front of them by about six to 10 points.
1:05:57Yeah, I agree. I agree. What what I noticed was Glenn for me is that, you know, he averaging what 20. what did he have in 22, 22 again? 22 and 10. Even though he only had two points in that first half, Uncle Ocho, it wasn't like he was like one for eight, one for nine. You know what I mean? He finished seven for 10 from the field. So he was patient. And in the second half, he turned it up. Man, that's poise from a young guy, a young freshman, who I think is going to have a tremendous pro career. I mean, he a monster down there, bro. Yeah. He, you know, he got the body type. Hell, he already built like his dad.
1:06:37Yeah. He already built like Booz. And you think he better than Pops at this stage? Coming out right now, yes. Yeah. Right now, yes. Now, will he be a better pro? I don't know. Bruce was an all-star. Yeah. Turned himself as a second-round pick, ended up getting a big-time deal from Utah. Yeah. I don't know what he'll be. Will he be better than his dad? But if you were to project him right now, if you look at him right now, and worthy. He's definitely better than his dad as a freshman, hell. His dad didn't come out. But as a freshman, yes. Is he a better college player than his dad? Yes. Will he be a better pro than his dad?
1:07:13That remains to be seen. But this kid can flat out damn play. Yeah, he can play. It's nothing flashy about his game. Ain't nothing gonna jump off the screen. Kind of on some Tim Duncan type stuff. You know what I mean? He just get it done, bro. It may not look as pretty to some, but it's effective. It's effective. Yeah. Yes. And with Duke, I mean, you got Malik Brown gave you 12. You got Sarr gave you 14. And Evans gave you 17. Even Caden Boozer, who had an outstanding game the first round, he gave you nine. Yeah. They got 10 points. I mean, they don't really depend on their bench. It's those starters that you have to worry about.
1:07:55Yeah. Everybody was in double figures except one person. Mm-hmm. And so that's what you have to worry about with Duke. They come at you. Look, for them to convince those guys to play together because, look, all these guys are four and five stars. All these guys were the guy at their prospective schools. Now for the greater good, we need you to sacrifice. Yeah. It's a lot easier said than done. Oh, yeah. Because everybody thinks they got an opportunity to be a damn lottery pick, a top five pick. L-O. I can't be no top five. I can't be no top five. I need to get me like 15 and 10, 15 and 8, 20 and 8.
1:08:35And you talking about share the ball? Hey, nah, nah, uh-uh, uh-uh. And you know, some of these guys, Joe probably averaged 25 and 15, 30 and 8. What you talking about? In high school. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the difference. That's the difference. See, in high school, you can be the best because you might be playing with less talent. You know what I mean? Right, yeah. Once you get to college, Power 5, bro, everybody on the team talented. You know what I mean? The cream going to rise to the top. But for the most part, I just feel like when you get to college, you can kind of see the separating factor of a lot of guys.
1:09:07You know what I mean? Guys who really got that it factor, they start to show it. And it shows up in close, tight games, bro. And you go to Duke. You was a guy in college. You hear me? Yeah, they just, I mean, just like any time. You go to these big times. You go to Ohio State. You go to Alabama. You go to Georgia. Who can play in high school? You're a damn good high school player. They ain't just giving no arbitrage. Now, look, they might have one or two guys that they did a favor to for this big boost or somebody got a legacy scholarship or something like that. But for the most part, they top 80 guys, they legit.
1:09:43Yeah, yeah. Well, obviously, you don't have that many guys in basketball. These guys can play. Oh, yeah, yeah. Ain't no one star. walk on he come out there on senior night and his dad says I'm proud of your son cause you stuck it out for four years yeah you ain't getting that one hey hey hey hey you don't get that no more and look hey you think you you think you think you gonna come in here and uh it's gonna be smooth selling them dudes put in work okay Ocho we did a training camp when I played for the Brooklyn Nets yeah we did a training camp in Duke uh uh and uh man they got an NBA facility bro.
1:10:21This ain't no peewee stuff. You hear me? The guy, you go to those programs. You know why you go there. Yes, I can get a great education. In a year? In a year? I'm trying to get to the age level. You're not going to stay there long enough to graduate. Now, you might eventually go back and take online classes and get your degree, but you ain't get no damn degree in no one year. You look at all them guys. They want it done. Kyrie, one and done. Cooper Flagg, one and done. Zion, one and done. Ingram, one and done. Tatum, one and done. Toneple, one and done. I got one for you. It ain't like it used to be with Christian Laettner.
1:11:03They stay in four years. Grant Hill, Thomas Hill, all those guys. It ain't like that no more. It was different back then. That guy's gone. I'm coming to Duke. You know why I'm coming. Because I remember, hey, I remember the coaches talking about, they mess up your program. I ain't recruiting no one and done. Okay. Right. John said, I'll take them all. Coach Cal said, I'll take them all. He can't beat them, join them. You right. I'll take it, son. You want to be one of the done? Come on. Right. You got to be the gateway to the league. You got to fall in line. You know, you got to keep up with the Joneses.
1:11:36These young dudes ain't trying to be in school no more than one year. Whether they tell you that or not. Yeah. You got to be special though, now. I just left school for 12 years. I was in school how long? You think I want to do this for another boat? Another boat? Absolutely not. Man, I'm trying to get this thing. I'm trying to be, hey, I'm going to class until after the new year. When the new year hit, I'm done. Hey, Uncle Joe. What's up? But who the best to come out of Duke? But who the best Duke Devil to come out of there and play at the next level? You talking about just as a college player?
1:12:14Yeah. Christian Laidner. Christian Laidner, yeah. Damn, y 'all answered that fast. Yeah. As a college player? Now, you're talking about who transitioned and became a pro. That remains to be seen. Probably Grant Hill had the highest ceiling. Right. But he got hurt because Grant could do it all. He was LeBron before LeBron. Right. A guy that's 6 '8", could handle the ball, could initiate the offense, was an outstanding defensive player, could score the basketball. He was going to be sensational. Obviously, injuries robbed him of that. Yeah. But as a college player, it ain't even close. Ain't nobody at Duke close to Chris DeLaytner.
1:12:49I got a question. I got a question. Obviously, we know what Kyrie can do in the NBA. I didn't watch college basketball back then. So how far was Kyrie from what he is in the NBA as opposed to when he was at Duke? Was he far off or you could already tell him? You got to realize Kyrie got hurt. Kyrie only played like maybe 15 games. Yeah. That's it? Yeah, he got hurt. He got hurt. He hurt his foot. Ocho, he got hurt and still went number one. Yes, that's how special he was. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah. But when he played, now he played in the second half of the season, Ocho. Now he's out there getting money.
1:13:22He wasn't out there getting bull driving now. Yeah. Man, y 'all need to stop. Where have you? As a college player, wasn't nobody close to Christian Latham. Wait, who they said? Not as a college player. You can make a case that Christian Latham is a top five college player of all time. Yeah. Back-to-back national championship, they took down the mythical team in a UNLV. Yeah. I don't know if y 'all remember that Saturday when they played LSU. Do y 'all remember what they did to the Fab Five? Man, y 'all better get that man his credit. I'm not saying what he transitioned into. I'm talking about as a purely college player.
1:13:55Ain't nobody touching him at Duke. The Chats said no. They talking about Grant Hill. Grant Hill was the second option to Tristan Laettner. Bobby Hurley was the second option. Thomas Hill was the second option. Although Tristan Laettner and the shot that he hit against Kentucky. Oh, yeah, I remember that. I remember that. He was real. He was real. He was real. He was real. No, Christian Layton was really good. I couldn't stand Duke. That joker there. Nobody could stand Duke. Hey, hey, but you know. That dude there. Now, if you talk about like transition, like the ability, he wasn't fast. He couldn't jump.
1:14:32But that joker just did everything right. Man, that joker back door you up and under, get your and one, got your big in foul trouble like damn. Yeah, yeah. Somebody beat them. Yeah. And I was so happy when UNLV beat the brakes off him in the national championship. And then the next year they come back and I bet, damn. They didn't beat UNLV in the national championship because we knew that was going to be the national. That was the national championship right there. And then he followed up again and got it back to back. Yeah. Yeah. When's the last time you saw an NCAA team go back to back? Hell, Duke might be the last team to go back to back.
1:15:10Florida. Florida. Florida, I, Horford, I, Horford, Florida. Florida, Florida, what, 06, 07? Yeah. Yeah. Man, that's hard to go back to back. They have Big Al, has Yo Kim Noah, Corey Brewer. Yeah. They had a nice, they had a nice squad.
1:15:32Yeah. It ain't, man, it's hard to go, it's hard to go back to back. In college? Yeah. Especially. It ain't like it used to be where guys actually stayed all four years. Right. Them guys gone. I won a national championship, and I'm the guy. I'll holler at you. I mean, for Al Horford and Akeem and Brewer, for them to come back and try to do it again. Yeah. Boy, they really love the college life, guys. You hear me? Most of them guys, they gone. Because they weren't even getting NIL back then. Hell no. I mean, for what we know. Man, I... UConn went back-to-back, right? Did UConn go back-to-back? Did it?
1:16:22Yeah. So UConn went back-to-back 23-24. Florida went back-to-back, what, 06-07. And then did anybody go back-to-back in the 90s other than Duke? No, my Razorbacks, they went to the championship game back-to-back, but we lost to UCLA in 95. 95, yeah. That's when they had the O 'Bannon boys. Yep. And Ty's Edney, right? Yep. Yep. You know a little something something, don't you? We locked in over there on it. Yeah, man. Y 'all had Todd Day and Cornish Williams. Y 'all had a lot of little quad, though. Yeah, they had some hard-working boys. Yeah. But, hey, Coach Richardson, So you had to have no choice but to be hard working.
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