In short
March Madness “Best of Part 2” recap plus NBA talk. They debate Duke’s collapse in a Final Four chance vs UConn, emphasizing turnovers and missed clutch execution, then pivot to MVP/finals predictions and the GOAT debate, ending with discussion of Bam Adebayo’s 83-point game and NBA expansion.
Guest backgrounds
T-Mac (Tracy McGrady), 7-time NBA All-Star, 7-time All-NBA selection, 2-time scoring champion; former high-school-to-NBA star. Hosts are “Unc” and “Iso Joe” (plus “Ocho”), longtime basketball commentators.
Key claims
UConn’s veteran/junior/freshman mix prevailed because they “played great when it mattered,” while Duke “got tighter,” committed costly turnovers, and failed to convert free throws/shots after leading. MVP leaning: Jalen Brown as most valuable; finals pick: Boston vs OKC. GOAT: Michael Jordan “eye test” and aura. Bam’s 83 has “no asterisk” despite controversy over how it happened.
Notable examples
UConn’s late “and-one” cut Duke to two; Boozer’s deflection/trailer sequence leading to the game-winner; comparisons to Billy Buckner/Jackie Smith; Bam’s 83 vs Washington; Cam Thomas waived after averaging ~30; David Robinson scoring-title game.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODuke's Underachievement and UConn's Experience
0:00 to 2:00
Discussion on Duke's talent struggles and UConn's veteran edge in games.
“You look at the guys, they probably got three guys that's going to be lottery pick.”
Game Dynamics and Turnovers
2:00 to 4:00
Analysis of critical moments in the game and the importance of ball control.
“Hey, like I was going to say, he's going to be a top three pick.”
The Significance of Veteran Presence
4:00 to 6:00
Exploration of how veteran players impact crucial game situations.
“But for the most part, man, this was a – it got to be an ugly game.”
Duke's Performance and Player Contributions
6:00 to 8:00
Discussion on Duke's performance, individual contributions, and missed opportunities.
“it's not like I was sitting here rooting for Duke, but when he made that shot, that hurt me, bro.”
The Impact of Key Plays and Shot Selection
8:00 to 10:00
Insight into crucial plays and shot selection that influenced the game's outcome.
“I ain't been to say, been here lying, said, man, I do not feel bad for Luke.”
Guest Introduction: Tracy McGrady
10:00 to 12:00
Introduction of T-Mac, discussing his background and connection to basketball.
“I'ma say Michelle, can you have birds call me?”
MVP Discussion and Player Evaluations
12:00 to 14:01
T-Mac shares his views on current MVP candidates and their performances.
“Me and my dude was just acting like Florida boys out on the basketball court.”
NBA MVP Debate: Jokic vs. Wimby
14:01 to 18:13
The discussion revolves around the MVP race, comparing players and their performances.
“I don't care what anybody was doing, he was my clear-cut MVP.”
Greatest of All Time: MJ vs. LeBron
18:14 to 24:38
A deep dive into the GOAT debate, contrasting Michael Jordan's and LeBron James's impact on the game.
“and you got Jamal, playoff Jamal, because you know Jamal Murray.”
The Aura of Michael Jordan
24:39 to 28:00
An intimate recount of the first encounter with MJ, emphasizing his unique presence and influence.
“Now, maybe Michael Jackson, but I never saw Michael Jackson in person.”
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Debate on BAM's 83-Point Game
28:00 to 30:10
Discussion on BAM's historic scoring game and the reactions it received.
“I don't care if he cherry picked, snowbird, whatever you guys call it, where the guy just standing at half court and getting layoffs on the other end.”
Pushback from Players
30:10 to 32:10
Exploration of why some players question BAM's scoring performance.
“We don't normally see guys go like that.”
The Nature of NBA Records
32:10 to 34:30
Discussion of record-setting performances and the context around them.
“Iman Shump said, this is what he said about Bam.”
Talent in the Current NBA
34:30 to 38:00
Analysis of the current talent pool in the NBA and expansion considerations.
“I don't think anybody was surprised because just three weeks earlier, he had a 62-point game where he outscored in time.”
T-Mac's One-on-One League
38:00 to 41:20
T-Mac talks about his one-on-one league and its purpose.
“I'm looking at a guy that averaged 30 points last year in the NBA, 29, 30 points on a bad team, but a bucket getter, probably one of the best bucket getters in our league as a young player.”
The Importance of One-on-One Play
42:00 to 43:34
Explore the significance of one-on-one play and its role in basketball culture.
“Well, there are so many guys, so much talent and one-on-one out here, man, that I feel they should have that platform.”
Discussing Scoring and NBA History
43:34 to 45:29
Delve into historical scoring achievements in the NBA and the perceptions around them.
“I might change my last name to 300, too.”
Concerns Over NBA Talent for Expansion
45:29 to 47:36
Examine the debate on whether the NBA can support additional teams with current talent levels.
“Hey, teammate, you said this week the Board of Governors of the NBA, they're convening and they're going to vote possibly expansion.”
Potential of Expansion Teams in Seattle and Vegas
47:36 to 50:31
Analyze the implications of adding NBA teams in Seattle and Las Vegas.
“And the owners, you know that's probably 500, maybe$600 million in each owner's pocket.”
Introducing the One-on-One League
50:31 to 54:35
Learn about T-Mac's initiative to create a one-on-one basketball league and its vision.
“You know, you guys only got one game and y 'all have a curfew.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04Shannon Sharpe:You look at the guys, they probably got three guys that's going to be lottery pick. We know Booz is probably going to be a top three pick, Joe, and he's probably going to be college player of the year. But when you look at the talent that they've had, they've underachieved. I don't care anything about this. They're young, and that's what we talked about this. UConn is a veteran ball club. Michigan have veteran players. Yeah. Illinois, it's not an accident because when the rubber need to meet the road, you got to have somebody to be calm, cool, and collected. Yeah. Absolutely right, man. Absolutely right.
0:39Shannon Sharpe:And you see, there's no way. And it seemed like when UConn started to make some shots and started to make that run, it seemed like Duke got tighter and tighter. Duke got tighter and tighter. He got tighter and tighter. And when old boy hit that and one and cut him to two, with like two minutes to go, now we got a ball game. Now we're going to see if those shots that you were making when you was up 10, 12, 14, let's see if they go in now. Let's see if you still have the same conviction to shoot them when you was up double figures. Now you're only up two. Let's see if you'll pull A. Joe, let's see if you'll pull from 22 now.
1:14Shannon Sharpe:Let's see if you try to snatch it from 16 now. Hey, you're absolutely right. When you look at it, UConn playing with juniors at the point guard at the one and two and dude got a freshman out there who ain't who ain't never been in that environment yeah been in that situation i don't want to say he ain't been in an environment because he's been playing with his twin brother and we know they've been under microscope for quite some time but the significance of this game to have that turnover and it leads come on bro sometimes you just hold on to the ball joe yeah i know you got two dudes wide open but let them fire you man you gotta shoot them free throws that's the one thing you don't want to do is turn that ball over all over really you can get beat oh you can't even you can't even sleep at night behind something like this nah it's tough like keep it 100 you can't but but okay outro i was just telling y 'all the other day about evans this is why i i i was skeptical he can't have a hell of a game like he had the other day and then turn around and give us seven points yeah that's what i'm talking about like they need him they needed him to at least give you 15 16 bro like booze gonna be booze like you You can tell.
2:24Shannon Sharpe:Hey, like I was going to say, he's going to be a top three pick. But he's going to have to have somebody come along for the ride. You know, you got a guy out there playing 17 minutes, got a donut. He didn't even take a shot. You know what I'm saying? What is that? Huh? He got great cardio. He got 17 minutes with the cardio in. That ain't enough, man. Like, I know they played well. They played well enough to win. Shot 52 % from the field, 40 % from the three. And UConn didn't play great. They played great when it mattered. You know what I mean? When they needed it, they came through, bro. That veteran presence that they have over there, it prevailed at the end.
3:04Shannon Sharpe:Man, and Mullins. Bro, that joker shoot all them threes. He was coming off picks and was wide open. I was like, bro, I say, Hurley, if you call one more pin down and let this dude come out this pick and shoot a three, and he air ball, I say, him and Carabin. Yeah. I said, man, God dang! Now you don't know how to shoot, Caravan. You been knocking down three your whole damn career at UConn. And now you get in this game, you can't make one. Mother, you keep coming off of pick after pick after pick, air ball, brick, brick. And then from 35 foot, he pulled and banged nothing but bottom of the net. Hey, shoot or shoot, Joe.
3:43Ain't that what they say? Yeah, shoot or shoot.
3:45Shannon Sharpe:Hey, shooters keep on shooting. Hey, look, they ain't really have but like two. they had one guy who played pretty good, Reed and Smith. Oh, Reed played out his damn mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But outside of that, Ocho, did nobody else? I mean, Smith off the bench, 18 minutes, 9 points, 4 for 7. But for the most part, man, this was a – it got to be an ugly game. But Duke kicking himself with all them damn turnovers. Yeah. You can't keep turning the ball over like that. Mm-hmm. And I felt like, okay, what concerned me was Duke on the glass. But it wasn't that big of a discrepancy. 34 to 28, you know normally Duke is a plus 10, plus 15 on the glass because they kill you.
4:31Shannon Sharpe:Boozer normally has that. What's the other big guy's name? Another big guy. He might have got hurt. But nah. But this, I mean, it's crazy. You're never going to be able to look. And I hate it. I hate when this happens to young kids. We see it happen to professionals. And we talk about the Billy Buckner situation when he played the Mets and they all went through his leg at first base. Jackie Smith went to the Hall of Fame. But he's known for dropping the touchdown that would have beat the Steelers for the Cowboys. Things like that linger for... Because they're going to play this, Ocho. And I don't know why Booz just didn't hold on and make it come foul you.
5:11Shannon Sharpe:He had two guys ahead of him that was wise. I know he was trying to get off the ball, so they couldn't foul him. They could get something easy. But, bro, that little tip, that deflection that they got, that was the deflection of the season, bro. Yep. They were dead meat. They was out of there. Hey, Joe, if he do this, I'm holding it. You know what, Joe? I just sometimes, sometimes instead of throwing it, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? Instead of maybe he drop it, you know what? I'm just going to slide down and let the clock keep moving because the clock is my friend. The clock is not my enemy.
5:46Shannon Sharpe:The clock my friend. Going out of bounds is the enemy. Turning the ball over is the enemy. Look, and I understand. It took a shot from God. Come on. It took a shot from God. Come on. That's what it took. Bro had missed every three he'd taken. He took and then he banged that one from 35 nothing but net hey Joe his release was so quick when he let that thing go too he had no choice because he deflected it and got it to the other guy but you know what Joe what it is is that trailer remember the trailer in Villanova North Carolina the guy breaking it up to court the guy that took it out of bounds was the guy that hit the shot.
6:41Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You see, Bullas was the trailer. He the one that deflected it. He got it up to the court. They come to get him. They kick it back to him. Bang. They needed Mike Breen on the call. That would have been a triple bang. Bang, bang, bang. Or maybe have John Witherspoon. Rest his own. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Hey, that was safe, fellas. I missed it. it's not like I was sitting here rooting for Duke, but when he made that shot, that hurt me, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of what happened, what transpired. Look, if he didn't turn the ball over and the guy made the shot, I'm okay with it.
7:25Shannon Sharpe:I'm okay with it. That's an awful lot for a young man to have to live with, Joe. It is. It is. It is. It is. Look, they got all these State Farm commercials now, the Boozer twins. Yeah. Hey, damn, that's a bad way. Cause you know, they probably would have had more come out. Oh, what? If they would have made it to the final four. Final four. Oh, they done probably shot a few commercials. I was just gonna say, they didn't already shot them commercials already. Oh man, look, look, my favorite ones is Samuel L. Jackson and Charles Barkley and Magic Johnson now. Oh yeah, hey, them are the ones. Yeah.
8:02Shannon Sharpe:Man, that hurt. Oh, that one. That one hurt. I ain't hurt for Duke. I ain't been to say, been here lying, said, man, I do not feel bad for Luke. And I told y 'all, hey, ABD, anybody but Duke. Right. I don't give a damn who wins. They not winning. And my homeboy won't even call me. I've been calling Burner Joe. I've been calling him all day. I called him and told him I'm in jail. I said, this is my one call, homeboy. Hey, Duke, Duke, man. Please pick up. Please pick up, homeboy. He ain't answer you yet? He ain't answer. I called back. I said, man, I got this burner phone. This dude had this burner phone in jail.
8:37Shannon Sharpe:I tried it. Cause when North Carolina lost, man that joker blew my phone up. So I'm like, hello. I pretend like I'm sleeping. So anytime our team lose, we always pretend like we sleep. I'm like, hello. Talking about Ian, you ain't sleep. I said, come on, yeah, yeah, what's going on? Hey, what'd that bracket look like now? Oh, my bracket tore up. Hey Joe, what yours look like? Man, I don't know. I don't know, Ocho. I don't know. I know who bracket's still intact though. I ain't gonna lie to y 'all. Your bracket's still at intact. You just got Arizona to win. Hey, hey, hey. But you got Arizona, you won, cause you got Arizona going to the final four.
9:18Shannon Sharpe:Hey. Hey, Ocho. Ocho. Hey, I'm happy for you, Ocho. What you doing putting that? Oh, man. Hey, hey, hey, hey. All he did was pick animals. Hey listen. All he did was pick animals. Hey King Ocho, respect me. Respect me. Huh? Hey look. I can't believe my old boy did me like that man. He came out the phone, I was in jail. Had to get a burner phone. He still wasn't answer for it. I sent him a text, asked him, is everything okay? He still ain't hit you back? Ain't hit me back yet. It gonna take him about two, three days before he get back at you. Oh, he ain't calling me no time soon. He about to call to him.
10:01Shannon Sharpe:That's all right, I'ma call. I'ma call Michelle. Hey, but I'ma tell y 'all something. I'ma say Michelle, can you have birds call me? Hey, these teams left in the final, going to the Final Four, boy, hey. If you ain't got you no seven-footer down there, you gonna be in some trouble. Hey, it's gonna be a long day. You know what I hate? Man, I hate Michigan. I hate Michigan and Arizona playing. I need them to cross. You want them to be a championship? You want them to be a championship? Yeah, because both of them, hey, both of them got some guy, hey. man Michigan
10:36Shannon Sharpe:alright there is our very special guest joining us tonight he's a 7 time NBA all star a 7 time all excuse me he's a 7 time all NBA selection a 7 time NBA all star a 2 time scoring champ straight out of high school here he is T-Mac Tracy McGrady T-Mac what it do bro
10:58Shannon Sharpe:what's up dog We good, we good, bro. How you feeling tonight? Man, I'm blessed, brother. All good. Thanks for doing this tonight. Let's pass my bad time. Go ahead, Ocho. You want to say something, Ocho? Now, I was at Mac. What's good, boy? Florida boy. You good? My dog. What's up, boy? Man, I'm chilling. I'm chilling. I ain't see you on the court in a minute, man. You still want to smoke again? Ocho, come on, bro. That's how we starting off this tonight? I'm just asking. I would tell us something. I'm glad you said that, Ocho. Let me clear some things up for people out there, right? We played in a celebrity game many, many moons ago.
11:43And this my dude, this my Florida brother, we was out there playing, roughing each other up. And folks thought we were actually fighting on line. I would never fight this man. This my dude. So to clear that up, that was not me and Ocho fighting in a celebrity basketball game. That was something else going on. Me and my dude was just acting like Florida boys out on the basketball court. That's what we were doing. So I wanted to clear that up, man, because I ain't never get a chance to talk to you about that. And I know there's a lot of stuff floating out there about us fighting.
12:16Shannon Sharpe:Nah, but what did everybody even talk about? He even telling us he dropped like 14, 16 on you, and you kind of got upset with him about that.
12:29Shannon Sharpe:I said, did you drop all 14, 16 points on T-Mac? He's like, yeah. What juice that nigga drunk that night? On me? Hell no. All right, T-Mac, let's get to some basketball. Look, the MVP, I think we got Luka, we got Wemby, we got Jokic, you got SGA, you got Jalen Brown, and I think you got Cade Cunningham. I think Cade is going to miss the cutoff because he's going to miss too many games. So just for the sake of this argument, let's set him to the side. But I believe it's out of those five, Luka, Jokic, SGA, Jalen Brown, and Wimby. I don't know if you have a vote. You may or may not. But if you had to vote right now, there's still about 12, 14 games left in the season.
13:21Shannon Sharpe:But if you had to vote right now, T-Mac, where are you leaning? So, obviously, I think all five of these guys can win MVP because they're all having a phenomenal season. But how I see the MVP and view the MVP, who's most valuable to their team? And out of those five, when I look at the rosters, it's Jalen Brown. No question. Right? It's no question. SGA is playing with another all-star and playing with a cast that he played with last year. Yes, sir. But J-Dub has been out, in and out of the lineup. He's just coming back. And then when I look at Jokic, now, Jokic, before he got hurt, I don't care what anybody was doing, he was my clear-cut MVP.
14:08The numbers he was putting up was just astronomical.
14:11Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. And then when you look at, when you look at, bro, I'm just going to say this. When you look at Wimby, if Wimby doesn't win it this year good luck to all the other players for the next six or seven years because he defensively like his floor is better than all of those guys ceiling and we've never seen anybody on the defensive end have that type of impact and I say the dude is like Deion Sanders bro on the basketball court being able to shut an entire side down yeah and then And Luka, you know, for me, you got to play both sides of the ball. I think he's done a lot better this year defensively.
14:53But in his stretch that we've seen him on, he's been phenomenal scoring with the best of them. I mean, the dude is just a phenomenal offensive player. But again, he's playing with LeBron James. And they didn't really, the team, the team-wise, I think they was a little, you know, up and down. Really wasn't playing great basketball. Jalen Brown and his boss himself has been playing great basketball from the jump. And you look at his roster, JT has been out, right, up until a few weeks ago, him coming back. But you look at their roster, it's like no way you guys should be in the second seed in the Eastern Conference.
15:32So most valuable player at this point to me still is Jalen Brown.
15:39Shannon Sharpe:When you when you when you look at this and you see what the the the OKC Thunder what they've been able to do Even when it's when SGA was out They were still finding ways to win even when and that's the mark of a good team when you could be without your best player And you still win you can be without your second best player and guys come in and contribute and you can still win That shows you the depth of a given team. Yeah, so now if I said okay T. Matt some money that means something to you. And if it's your money you're putting up, it means something to you. Who you think is in the finals? Because I go back and forth because a part of me wants to say San Antonio.
16:18Shannon Sharpe:A part of me wants to say the – OKC. OKC. And then I look at the East. I still think Boston healthy. I don't think anybody – if Boston and Detroit. But Cade has to play great in order for them to win. JT can have an off game and JB carry him. JB can have an off game and JT can carry him. And then you got that little guy Peyton Pritchett. He coming out the bench. And before you know it, he done hit you over your head with 22-point T-back. No, you absolutely right, man. You know, some of these guys, when they miss games, their team don't fall off. They still win ballgames. You know, Detroit had a good one tonight, but they lost against the Hawks.
17:03but they still playing good basketball without Cade Cunningham. Jalen Dern is stepping up in the absence of him. And actually, their little point guard, Dennis Jenkins, is playing great basketball for them too. So for Detroit, I want to see this because I wanted to see how they function without the head of the snake and Cade Cunningham. And they answered my question. These guys are still a legit team without him, and I see how they can play when Cade gets in foul trouble or he's off the court for whatever reason, they still play good basketball. And with Jalen Brown there, man, I just don't see nobody in the Eastern Conference as balanced and solid all around like them.
17:48New York Knicks, they have everything, but you just don't know. It's been some inconsistent basketball with them. So I'm going Boston, and it pains me to say this because I love the Denver Nuggets. Jokic is my favorite player. Them being healthy, they're awesome.
18:08Shannon Sharpe:Man. Because Peyton Watson is coming back at some point in time because you look at the way they were playing with Peyton Watson and you got Jamal, playoff Jamal, because you know Jamal Murray. He and Jokic in the pick and roll is the most stoppable tandem. So I'm going to say this. before I had Denver when they were fully healthy I just thought Denver was that team but because it's been you know Aaron Gore been out of the lineup Rich I mean uh Peyton Watson been out of the lineup Christian Brown's been out of the line like these so many of these guys Cam Johnson their their core guys has made so much time I gotta go I gotta go with Boston to OKC in the finals dog wow no San Antonio you don't think San Antonio is quite old enough yet because I love Wimby, Stephan Castle, Vassell.
18:59Shannon Sharpe:I mean, Harrison Barnes comes off the bench. Kelton Johnson, I love Kelton Johnson. He's a bucket. I don't care. It don't matter. He get in the game, he going to get 20 team, man. No, that boy be playing, man, whether he's knocking down the three or getting to the cup. I love their team. I just think this is the year where they're going to have that growing pain of failing to reach the finals and then the next few years, my gosh, watch out. It's going to be crazy. My gosh. Yeah. Hey, Mac, I want to switch gears real quick. Obviously, you with great knowledge of the game and everyone has their own criteria.
19:38Hold on, bro. Where you at, bro? I'm in the car. I was stuck in a rush hour traffic. You ain't no goddamn rush hour traffic, bro. This how you do me, bro? You supposed to be my boy. You supposed to be in the studio or at the crib. You in the car tomorrow? No, I swear to God, T-Mac, I was in standstill traffic for like 45 minutes. All right. Apologies yourself, bro. I'm at the house now, but real quick, everyone has their own criteria. There's always dialogue. There's always endless conversations, barbershop talk, basketball talk, when it comes to who the best is to ever play this game. So based on your knowledge and having to face these individuals, in your mind, who is the greatest basketball player of all time when it comes to the debate about Michael Jordan and LeBron James?
20:25Who is the go to the game? You only threw two of them in there?
20:30Shannon Sharpe:You threw two guys in there? I think T-Man got Kobe in that discussion. You only got two guys in there? Talk to me nice, man. Talk to me nice. And let me know who you feel the best is. Ever. We talk about the GOAT now, so there's another GOAT you want to add to the conversation. So for me, it's MJ all day. I grew up watching Mike, and I just haven't seen... And it's not even about the numbers and the championships. It's what I'm watching, right? With my eyes, what I see on the basketball court. Yeah, that other stuff helps, but it's all about the eye test and what this man did, you know, night in and night out defensively, clutch, whatever you needed.
21:19And that's not to say LeBron can't be the GOAT, but for me, it's my GOAT, it's MJ. And I think how you have to do it, you got to go by errors, man, because, you know, it's... Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a different style of basketball. It's different players. Like, MJ ain't seen no Kobe. MJ ain't seen no T-Mac. MJ ain't seen no Vince. you know you know like and i'm trying to disrespect those wing players but let's be honest the 2000 wings bro they wasn't in the right right they were deeper and the game changed so and then in lebron's era he ran that right putting up crazy sets the mvps but he had some competition that was kobe bryant and then later on in his career he's got to ask step curry in there right So it's errors for me, man.
22:10All these guys are goats because they all was freaking great, bro. Yeah, I think the thing is that I don't know how you felt when you first saw Michael Jordan,
22:20Shannon Sharpe:but I always tell the story. He doesn't seem real, T-Mac. He levitated. I mean, when I first laid eyes on this man, I was in the Super Bowl. This man was levitating, and I'm looking at him, and he probably figured, man, Sterling Sharp, little brother, there's something wrong with him. He don't even, T-Mac, am I lying? Does he seem real? So I'm going to tell you this story. And I'm glad you said that. And people really don't understand. That aura is a real thing, bro. For real. His aura is like none other. So I was 17 years old. And this is when I announced that I was going to go to the NBA. Chicago was playing the Atlanta Hawks.
23:07I go to the game, watch MJ and Pip and the Bulls do their thing that night. I go in the back after the game, and I'm waiting for these guys. I'm waiting by the Chicago Bulls locker room because we got some passes, and the team that I was with had the connections. Shane, MJ, well, Rodman walked out. All right. Oh, cool. That's getting Rodman right there. Pip walks out. All right. bro mj walks out of that locker room i do
23:43nah nah it's like he was glowing bro he had like this aura around him that was i'm telling you this is 17 year old me watching this guy because this is right nbc this is the golden era of basketball that's how i got to watch him right it's to see him on on tv and what he was doing back in the late 80s, early 90s for me when I started watching? And to actually see this brother in person? Nah. He didn't seem real.
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24:14Shannon Sharpe:He still don't. I get the same feeling when I see that man in person that I got the very first time that I saw his ass in person. This guy was levitating. I don't care what nobody say. This man was levitating. He was not walking. He was levitating. And I've seen a lot, a lot of famous people in the world in my time. But don't nobody has the aura like Michael Jordan. Now, maybe Michael Jackson, but I never saw Michael Jackson in person. I've seen Prince in person. I've seen a lot of celebs in person. I've never seen anything like what this man, the glow and the power, the energy, the force that is around him, man.
24:57Shannon Sharpe:You got to be in his presence to understand what T-Max. But if you think about it, Chad, everybody that's ever been around him, he said the same thing. From Shaq to Kevin Garnett to everybody said the exact same thing. He doesn't. Allen Ivers say, man, he don't even seem real. No, he don't, man. I was actually just with him at the Writers' Cup. And it's hard not to just stare at Mike, bro. That's Mike, bro. I'm glad I ain't the only one. I'm glad I ain't the only one. Yo, that's Mike right there, fool. But nah, he, and for me, when I first saw him and then my first couple of times playing against him, like, I still had that feeling, but it's like I've been around Mike so many times.
25:44I still, you know, have high regards. The auras kind of wore off a little bit. It's still there, and that's still Mike. But man, when I was 17 years, I ain't never seen anything like it, bro.
25:58Shannon Sharpe:It's amazing. Like I said, I've been around a lot of famous people. A lot, a lot of famous people. But ain't nothing like this dude right here, man. Nah, nah. And when he came back to the Wizards, because I was 17 years, I mean, 18 years old, you know, I played against him when they won 72-10. That was my rookie year. Okay. And I played against him his last year before he retired. And, you know, that 18-year-old me was trying to figure out, you know, who I was as an NBA player and trying to learn the game. So I didn't really, you know, have that type of game or that force that I wanted. But when his ass came back, when he was with the Wizards, ah, ah.
26:42Hey, you might be wounded, but I'm going to give you this work. I got to give you this work. I don't like what you did to my mind when I was 17 years old,
26:52Shannon Sharpe:making me seem like you ain't real. Hey, because that was Kobe's mindset. You remember Kobe dropped 55 over the last time he played it. And people were like, well, Kobe, why would you do that? He said that's what he would want me to do. He would have it no other way. Because I guarantee you, if the roles were reversed. Oh, yeah, he would have did the same thing. Would have did the same thing. So that's why before he left that, before I had to get at least 40 on it, bro. Before he stopped playing, And I had to see that I dropped 40. And I don't care if the Wizards might, because the Wizards might, was still averaging 24 points, 25 points, and putting up some crazy numbers when he was healthy playing.
27:28So I viewed him as Chicago Bulls might. He got to come get his work.
27:35Shannon Sharpe:When you look, you know what I wanted to ask you to, Mac? I have a guy that played the game at an elite level. There was a lot of conversation going back and forth when Bam got 83. Bam got 83. Look how he got to 83. The game was out of reach. T-Mac, can you just tell the people how hard it is to score? 40, 50, 60, because I think you've got a career high of like 60, 62. So now, go to 70, go to 80. I don't give a damn how he did it. I don't care if he cherry picked, snowbird, whatever you guys call it, where the guy just standing at half court and getting layoffs on the other end. I don't give a damn what you call it.
28:12Shannon Sharpe:83 is 83. Talk to the people from somebody that played the game at an elite high, high level. Explain to the people, even though the Washington Wizards are trash and it says more about them than it does BAM, explain to people 83 down points. Yeah, the league has been around, you know, 70-something years. Only three. How many people scored that? Three. Three. That's all I have. It's only three, regardless of how he did it and how you view him as he, when he did it. It's 83 points and we haven't seen that. Only one time. And that was, that was B. So yeah, I think it could have been a little bit more competitive on Washington's side.
28:56Of course, but they make millions of dollars as well. They got a job to do. And if you had an opportunity to make history, who's not going to do that? So when, so, so 30 years from now, when, you know, kids are coming up, these babies right now and they come up and they looking at the scoreless like damn what's the man out of my oh he scored 83 points they're not gonna care how he scored it they just know man that man is on the whole time score and so i don't care how he scored it man you know it's a lot of people out there that's that's hating on the man because he overtook and kobe never had the record i don't know what they talk about it kobe had the record like that record of the hundred The record is 100.
29:39Now, we haven't seen it. I haven't seen it in the video, but the record is 100.
29:42Shannon Sharpe:But you know what I think, T-Mac? I think because Kobe got 81 and then back. See, I think it was Bam is because he's the most unlikeliest guy to get 83. Had Kobe got 83, had you got 80, it got 80 plus. Had one of these guys that we look at at scores, Kevin Durant, James Harden, Allen Iverson. If we look, if one of you guys get it, I don't think anybody's batting the eye. But you're talking about Bam that's a career, what, 20-point, a night scorer? And all of a sudden, he jumped from 20 all the way up to get 83? We don't normally see guys go like that. You look at Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell, when he got 70, you look at Luka, he got 70.
30:20Shannon Sharpe:Those guys are scorers. So it's not anything. So if they were to get – because we saw them get – Luka got 73, I think, against the Hawks. I think Donovan Mitchell got 70-something. If they get 80, we're not even batting the eye. but Bam got it. And we don't look at Bam as one of those guys a score. He's an NBA player, man. The man got hot. He had a phenomenal night. End of story. Like, he scored 83, man. Let that shit go, bro. Like, man, he's an NBA player, bro. I've seen guys averaging, you know, 17 points in this league get 50. So what do you got to say about that?
31:00Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, I think Ocho tried, and you muted, Ocho. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Hey, Mac, I got a question. Listen, normally, normally pushback for for 83 point game that BAM scored. You hear from analysts, you hear from pundits, you hear from from from fans that are just just just fans of the game in general that enjoy watching basketball. But when you hear pushback from actual players that played the game, you know, and they complain also about BAM scoring 83. Why do you think that is? Especially for those who have played the game at the highest level. Why would they have a problem with it? It's because of how it happened.
31:39And rightfully so. Like, it was a nasty game.
31:46It was a nasty game of what they were doing. That's what they're speaking on. There's no disrespect to Bam. It's just how it happened. You know what I mean? Like, the Washington Wizards and fouling, and then Miami fouling to try to get the ball back. Yeah, it was all that stuff right there is what they was pissed off about.
32:07Shannon Sharpe:I don't know. Did you see Shump's comment? I did not. Iman Shump said, this is what he said about Bam. Don't bring up Aiden no more. Don't bring that up. That was a regular season game versus a tanking team. You murdered that team. And then you walk off, Bam. You don't need to talk about it. We all saw it. Let us talk about it. I'm in a suit. I can talk about it. Don't talk about it no more, Bam, because now it looks weird. You're about to make it more. I don't like 83 no more. I'm damn serious. Please don't be holding on to this, Bam. I need you to add to your resume. F that. I'm talking about it forever.
32:42Shannon Sharpe:As a matter of fact, I'm changing my name, Mr. 83. Mr. 83. Actually, that's going to be my social media name on all social media channels. Mr. 83. Straight up. Like, come on, bro. How you not talk about that? Man, man, these people are crazy, dog. That's 83 points in an NBA game, my dude, against NBA players that's making millions of dollars. Come on, dog. It's his. No, we can't do that. Hey, Young, it's history. It's history. How can you not talk about history? You're a part of it. Let me get, I tell you, Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, all their top corners go out, but you get 300 yards, and y 'all still throwing the ball.
33:26Shannon Sharpe:y 'all up 21 points and y 'all throw the ball and you catch a 15-yard route to go over 300. Are you going to say, man, I feel bad for them. They top three quarters was out. I did the ball. Oh, no. Oh, no. Right. You in the NFL. I'm going to talk. You'd be crazy. I might change my last name to 300, too. Shut up. 300.
33:51it it's very rare for us to see this type of performance regardless of how it happens right regardless of how it happens it's supposed to be the best players in the world right it's supposed to be the best league in the world right that's all i'm saying so we're the best players in the best league. The man scored 83 points. There's no asterisk. It happened.
34:18Shannon Sharpe:I think, see, people are like, well, Kobe didn't mention it. Well, Kobe had a game where he stopped at 62 and left in the third and then come back in the game. Kobe has had these scoring outbursts. So we're not surprised. I don't think anybody was surprised because just three weeks earlier, he had a 62-point game where he outscored in time. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Mavericks. by himself in three quarters. So we're not surprised when Kobe, like, kept going and ended up getting that. Or when Jordan has got these 60 points. But Bam, I don't even know if Bam's career high is even 40.
34:56Shannon Sharpe:Do you remember David Robinson was trying to get a scoring title? I do, last game of the season, they got him the scoring title to beat Shaq. Feeding him every single time, every single trip. But we don't say nothing about that, right? As a matter of fact, I think it was against the Clippers. It was against the Clippers. They fed the crap out of Dave Robinson. He wasn't going to score that against nobody else. He had 71. Man, he wasn't scoring that against nobody else but the Clippers. Why? Because they were like the Washington. Okay, okay. Well, you mean the Washington Generals. They played the Harlem Gold Trouters.
35:30Shannon Sharpe:That's what the Wizards are now. Hey, teammate, you said this week the Board of Governors and NBA, they're convening and they're going to vote possibly expansion. One Vegas, one Seattle. You said you was like, hold on guys. I'm not so sure there's enough talent on the 30 current NBA teams for you to dilute it even more adding two more teams because players can only, you can only protect a certain number of players. And then everybody else is up for discussion with those teams like, okay, I want this guy, I want that guy. What went into your thought process? Why did you say you don't think there's enough talent that's currently in the NBA for the league to add two more teams.
36:12So we just talk. We just talk about them scoring 83 points, right? What did you call that TV score 83 points on? The Washington General. We want to see we want two more teams. And you just said the NBA team you call these boys the Washington General. they're not the only team like that you got utah tanking you got the brooklyn next yep you you want to watch the brooklyn next nah bro i don't why why you know why you don't want
36:49Shannon Sharpe:to watch the brooklyn next they ain't even trying they at least at least the wizards are playing their guys team at the utah not even they take their guys out they down by two and they bitch They started for the whole fourth quarter. Triple J getting surgery on a wisdom tooth. He out for the rest of the year. Man, that's a blow job. You make it. So, when you answer the question that you asked me, Sacramento, you two and then why Sacramento up? No. Not even. All right, man. So, now you talk about adding two more teams than this. Come on, bro. I got a question. I got a question, Mac. Ocho, let me follow this up right quick.
37:27Shannon Sharpe:T-Mac, you're talking about two teams, and each team, they say the winning bid is going to be somewhere between$7 and$10 billion. And the owners, you know that's probably$500, maybe$600 million in each owner's pocket. Hey, hey, I don't want to take no money out of nobody's pocket. I know it's about bread. I know it's about bread. Okay. But I'm just saying, as a fan of the game, man, we don't have the product, man. I'm sorry. We just don't have the product. The league is weird. It's strange, man. I can't understand the league. I'm looking at a guy that averaged 30 points last year in the NBA, 29, 30 points on a bad team, but a bucket getter, probably one of the best bucket getters in our league as a young player.
38:18He gets waves from his team. Another bad team picks him up, right? Cam Thomas. Cam Thomas, another bad team, picks him up. He stays there for a few weeks, and they wave him. Ocho, the brother was averaging 30 in the NBA last season before he got hurt, and he's out of the NBA. So, come on, like, I want that type of talent in the NBA. I want that in the NBA to where he takes tough shots. He's a tough shot maker. he can't find out he can't find a home in the nba now i don't know the other stuff that's going on whether it's his attitude or he's not you know i'm saying i don't know none of that i don't have any of that information but in terms of a basketball player and what we need in this league what we want to see that kid is one of the best scores you would see in this league hey hey hey mac what i'm gonna say right you know if it make money it makes sense especially the owner to the gms the bottom line it will always be the same and it's always been the same since the beginning of time it's always about it's always about the money so with these two expansion teams if seattle is able to get one if vegas is able to get one how long do you think it would take before they're able to produce the product or get the product necessary for those teams to compete or is that not possible because there's not enough basketball players in general no i i think it is possible because i mean I think with some of these kids coming out of college, it depends on how you construct your roster.
39:58There's some vets that probably are up for a contract and possibly will look at that Las Vegas situation or look at Seattle. Seattle's a phenomenal city to hoop it, by the way. Vegas, NBA players, that's a little tricky. No taxes to you, man. Yeah, but that's a little tricky. That's Vegas. I said, hey, the girls can handle that. The WNBA players can handle that. The NFL players, it's more of a strict league. You know, you guys only got one game. And y 'all have a curfew. NBA players got too much downtime, dog. Vegas might be a little tricky.
40:41Shannon Sharpe:T-Mac, tell us about the ones league that you found. What is the ones? So that's my one-on-one league, man. You know, I started a one-on-one league back in 2022, and it was my proof-of-concept season. And I started this league because of where I am sitting today is because of a platform that I got on when I was in high school, and that was the ABCD camp. See, if y 'all don't know, I was an unknown high school player up until my senior year. Nobody really knew who I was. I got invited to the Adidas camp, become, you know, the number one player after that Adidas camp. And, you know, the story is I go to the NBA and the rest is history.
41:23So it's that platform that really made me who I was and gave me a name. So it's a lot of hoopers. Ocho, you know, you grew up down in the bottom, man. You grew up some guys that can hoop like crazy and probably had, you know, a situation where someone in the family died and they had to pivot and step up and, you know, be the parent, the guardian in that situation, or they just couldn't get it right as a teenager and was in some trouble and, you know, ruined their careers or whatever. And then guys just really didn't get the opportunity to live out their dream of playing basketball. Well, there are so many guys, so much talent and one-on-one out here, man, that I feel they should have that platform.
42:08You played one-on-one growing up? I did. Ocho, you played one-on-one. Yes, sir. No. We all played. Go ahead, T-Mac.
42:19Shannon Sharpe:Hey, T-Mac, you know 21 was one-on-one. Basically. It was one-on-one against 15 other guys. I was just about to say that. Like, I grew up playing one-on-one, and then 21 was our one. Now it looks weird. You're about to make it work. I don't like 83 no more. I'm damn serious. Please don't be holding on to this, man. I need you to add to your resume if that I'm talking about it as a matter of fact I'm changing my name mr. 83 mr. 83 actually that's gonna be my social me my social media name on all social media channels mr. 83 straight up like how do not talk about it man and these people are crazy though that's 83 points in an NBA game, my dude, against NBA players that's making millions of dollars.
43:08Come on, dog. No, we can't do that. It's history. It's history. How can you not talk about history? You're a part of it.
43:19Shannon Sharpe:Let me get, I tell you, Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, all their top corners go out, but you get 300 yards, and y 'all still throwing the ball, y 'all up 21 points, and y 'all throw the ball, and you catch a 15-yard route to go over 300. Are you going to say, man, I feel bad for them. They top three quarter was out. I did the move. Oh, no. Oh, no. Right. You in the NFL. I'm going to talk. You'd be crazy. I might change my last name to 300, too. Shut it up. 300. 300. I don't. Do you? It's very rare for us to see this type of performance, regardless of how it happens. Right? Regardless of how it happens.
44:04It's supposed to be the best players in the world, right? It's supposed to be the best league in the world, right? That's all I'm saying. So we're the best players in the best league. The man scored 83 points. There's no asterisk. It happened.
44:20Shannon Sharpe:I think, see, people are like, well, Kobe didn't mention it. Well, Kobe had a game where he stopped at 62 and left in the third and then come back in the game. Kobe has had these scoring outbursts. So we're not surprised. I don't think anybody was surprised because just three weeks earlier, he had a 62-point game where he outscored in time, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Mavericks, by himself in three quarters. So we're not surprised when Kobe kept going and ended up getting that or when Jordan has got these 60 points. But Bam, I don't even know if Bam's career high is even 40. Do you remember David Robinson was trying to get a scoring title?
45:01Shannon Sharpe:I do. Last game of the season, they got him the scoring title to beat Shaq. Feeding him. Every single time. Every single trip. But we don't say nothing about that. Right? As a matter of fact, I think it was against the Clippers. It was against the Clippers. Oh, yes. They fed the crap out of David Robinson. He wasn't going to score that against nobody else. He had 71. Man, he wasn't scoring that against nobody else but the Clippers. Why? Because they were like the Washington Warriors. Okay, okay. Well, you mean the Washington Generals? They played the Harlem Gold Trouters. That's what the Wizards are now.
45:36Shannon Sharpe:Hey, teammate, you said this week the Board of Governors of the NBA, they're convening and they're going to vote possibly expansion. One Vegas, one Seattle. You said you was like, hold on, guys. I'm not so sure there's enough talent on the 30 current NBA teams for you to dilute it even more, adding two more teams, because you can only protect a certain number of players. And then everybody else is up for discussion with those teams like, okay, I want this guy, I want that guy. What went into your thought process? Why did you say you don't think there's enough talent that's currently in the NBA for the league to add two more teams?
46:14So we just talked about Bam scoring 83 points, right? What did you call that team he scored 83 points on? The Washington Generals. We want two more teams. And you just said the NBA team, you call these boys the Washington Generals. They're not the only team like that. You got Utah tanking. You got the Brooklyn Nets. Yep. You want to watch the Brooklyn Nets?
46:47Shannon Sharpe:Nah, bro. I don't. Why? Why you don't want to watch the Brooklyn Nets? They ain't even trying. At least the Wizards are playing their guys, T-Mack. Utah, not even, they take their guys out. They down by two, and they started for the whole fourth quarter. Triple J getting surgery on the wisdom tooth. He out for the rest of the year. Man, that's a blow job. You make it, so when you answer the question that you asked me, Sacramento, you two and then watch Sacramento up? No. Donnie, baby. All right, man. So now you talk about adding two more teams. Come on, bro. I got a question. I got a question, Mac.
47:27Shannon Sharpe:Mac. Let me follow this up right quick. T-Mac, you're talking about two teams, and each team, they say the winning bid is going to be somewhere between$7 and$10 billion. And the owners, you know that's probably 500, maybe$600 million in each owner's pocket. Hey, hey, I don't want to take no money out of nobody's pocket. I know it's about bread. I know it's about bread. Okay. I'm just saying as a fan of the game. Okay. We don't have the product, man. I'm sorry. We just don't have the product. The league is weird. It's strange, man. I can't understand the league. I'm looking at a guy that averaged 30 points last year in the NBA.
48:1129, 30 points. On a bad team. But a bucket getter. Probably one of the best bucket getters in our league as a young player. he gets waived from his team. Another bad team picks him up. Cam Thomas. Cam Thomas. Another bad team picks him up. He stays there for a few weeks, and they waive him. That, Ocho, the brother was averaging 30 in the NBA last season before he got hurt, and he's out of the NBA. So, come on, like, I want that type of talent in the NBA. I want that in the NBA to where he takes tough shots he's a tough shot maker he can't find a home in the NBA now I don't know the other stuff that's going on whether it's his attitude or he's not I don't know none of that I don't have any of that information but in terms of a basketball player and what we need in this league what we want to see that kid is one of the best scores you would see in this league hey hey hey mac what i'm gonna say right you know if it make money it makes sense especially the owner to the gms the bottom line it will always be the same and it's always been the same since the beginning of time it's always about it's always about the money so with these two expansion teams if seattle is able to get one if vegas is able to get one how long do you think it would take before they're able to produce the product or get the product necessary for those teams to compete?
49:43Or is that not possible because there's not enough basketball players in general? No, I think it is possible because, I mean, there's, you know, I think with some of these kids coming out of college, it depends on, like, how you construct your roster. There's some vets that's probably are, you know, up for a contract and possibly will look at that Las Vegas situation or look at Seattle. Seattle's a phenomenal city, to hoop it, by the way. Vegas, for NBA players, that's a little tricky. No taxes to you, man. Yeah, but that's a little tricky. That's Vegas.
50:25Hey, the girls can handle that. The WNBA players can handle that. The NFL players, it's more of a strict league. You know, you guys only got one game and y 'all have a curfew. NBA players got too much downtime, dog. Vegas might be a little tricky.
50:43Shannon Sharpe:G-Mac, tell us about the ones league that you found. What is the ones? So that's my one-on-one league, man. You know, I started the one-on-one league back in 2022. And it was my proof of concept season. And I started this league because of where I am sitting today is because of a platform that I got on when I was in high school. And that was the ABCD camp. See, if y 'all don't know, I was an unknown high school player up until my senior year. Nobody really knew who I was. I got invited to the Adidas camp, become, you know, the number one player after that Adidas camp. And, you know, the story is I go to the NBA and the rest is history.
51:25So it's that platform that really made me who I was and gave me a name. So it's a lot of Hoopers. Ocho, you know, you grew up down in the bottom, man. You grew up with some guys that can hoop like crazy and probably had, you know, a situation where someone in the family died and they had to pivot and step up and, you know, be the parent, the guardian in that situation. Or they just couldn't get it right as a teenager and was in some trouble and, you know, ruined their careers or whatever. And then guys just really didn't get the opportunity to live out their dream of playing basketball. Well, there's so many guys, so much talent and one-on-one out here, man, that I feel they should have that platform.
52:10Um, you played one-on-one growing up, Um? I did. Ocho, you played one-on-one growing up? No. We all played.
52:17Shannon Sharpe:Go ahead, T-Mac. Hey, T-Mac, you know 21 was one-on-one. Basically. It was one-on-one against 15 other guys. I was just about to say that. Like, I grew up playing one-on-one, and then 21 was our one-on-one as well. So, man, I just think these cats out here really need that platform. I want to create it for them. But on top of that, you know, it's much bigger than just giving them a platform to make a name for themselves in basketball. I also want to do something for brothers that look like us in the ownership department, see? It's not too—in your league, it's not too many guys that look like us that have ownership.
52:57I was lucky enough to have that opportunity to go in with the Buffalo Bills with my cousin Vince. So we got some ownership with that. And it just really sparked my interest. I want to do this for my people, and I want to change how I'm building this league. So I'm building it to have cities. I want cities and have guys like Jadakus, who's from New York. I give him 15 % of this team that's based out of New York. John Wall is from Raleigh. I gave him 15 % of that Raleigh team. And I have eight cities and eight owners and GMs that I assigned to this team, gave them equity. I didn't want any money from them.
53:42I just handed it to them because they are impactful in those cities that they grew up. And then when you look at the game of basketball, our game of basketball, NBA, like Steph Curry is not from Oakland or San Francisco. LeBron James is not from L.A. These guys are homegrown from these cities, and I want that community to get behind them and push these guys and support these guys. So that's why I want to do this, man. And, you know, I'm really excited about giving these guys this platform.
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