In short
Jim Jones discusses adapting to a changed hip-hop industry (social media, marketing, reinvention), the role of competition/dissing in rap, and whether Dipset will reunite. He also addresses controversies and compares himself to other artists, plus a playful “meet me in the booth” challenge and gym talk. Bun B joins later to react to an AI music controversy involving Tim and Suno (using a producer’s beat/tag and TikTok lyrics without credit).
Guests and backgrounds
Jim Jones, Harlem rapper/entrepreneur (Dipset/Diplomats; active since late 1990s/early 2000s). Bun B, Texas rap figure (part of UGK), later commenting on AI/credit issues.
Key claims
Jim says he reinvents without chasing trends; gym discipline sustains longevity; hip-hop sound shifts every decade; rap is a “competitive sport” where idols become rivals; he claims he can “run circles” around Nas right now and challenges others to booth-versus; he prioritizes business/family and won’t confirm Dipset reunion timing. Bun B frames AI as “uncharted territory” early in development.
Notable examples
Kendrick’s disc success; references to Nas, Jay-Z, DMX, Beyoncé, Michael Jordan, Dion; “meet me in the booth” versus concept; Tim/Suno AI controversy; mentions KFresh beat tag and TikTok creator lyrics.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOInterview with Jim Jones
0:00 to 0:34
Jim Jones shares insights about his journey and the evolving music industry.
“When you're moving like I do, you don't always get a lot of lead time.”
Interview with Jim Jones
2:27 to 4:50
Jim Jones shares insights about his journey and the evolving music industry.
“So talk to us a little about this music thing.”
Navigating Change in Hip-Hop
4:50 to 6:40
Discussion on the challenges of changing sounds in hip-hop and the industry's evolution.
“You want the individual to change and give you something different.”
The Competitive Nature of Rap
6:40 to 7:50
Exploring the competitive dynamics in the rap industry and how artists navigate rivalries.
“If I'm going to be a contender in this game, I'm going to play at the top of my ability to play, you know what I mean?”
Creating and Collaborating in Music
7:50 to 13:20
Jim discusses his criteria for collaborating with new artists in the music industry.
“I saw a clip about, you know, you and Push.”
Jim's Longevity in Hip-Hop
14:01 to 15:11
Explore Jim's two-decade journey in the hip-hop industry and his criteria for collaboration.
“Since 1997, Cammon got his first deal, so I'm like 28 years in.”
Staying Motivated in Music
15:12 to 17:29
Discuss Jim's motivations and values in his long career in music.
“Hey, I mean, I'm just saying, I'm going to rap about things that I've experienced in life.”
Influence of Nas vs. Jim
17:30 to 17:55
A debate arises about the influence and status of Nas compared to Jim's career.
“A lot of homos came up and said to Tom Brady.”
The Koofy List and Rivalries
17:56 to 18:29
Jim discusses his views on competition and rivalries in hip-hop.
“I'm telling you from the movie belly was fire, but after that, he kind of lost me.”
The Koofy List and Rivalries
18:38 to 19:05
Jim discusses his views on competition and rivalries in hip-hop.
“Your away game road trip doesn't start at the kickoff.”
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Jim's Competitive Edge
20:11 to 21:01
Jim asserts his current relevance in the rap game compared to hip-hop legends.
“Strong hands also keep Copenhagen moving today.”
Meet Me in the Booth Challenge
21:02 to 24:10
Jim challenges Nas and others to prove themselves in a rap battle.
“I'm going to put it there like this, Jim.”
Rap Rivalry and Sportsmanship
24:11 to 28:00
The discussion shifts to sportsmanship, competition, and the spirit of hip-hop.
“And guess who's the most talked about person tomorrow?”
Jim Jones & Ocho's Competitive Banter
28:00 to 29:09
A heated exchange between Jim Jones and Ocho discussing competition, workouts, and bravado.
“You are doing good when you're talking about Nars and Jada.”
Jim Jones's Career and Philanthropy
29:10 to 38:51
Jim Jones shares stories from his life, his career, and his commitment to giving back to the community.
“My son said, you know, Antonio Brown live up the block because I live on the beach and shit like that.”
Closing Remarks and Future Plans
38:52 to 42:00
The conversation wraps up with reflections on the episode and plans for future collaborations.
“It's a game that I had to learn and understand because I was a – previously I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the internet or so many ways that people are talking about me.”
Reflections on an Iconic Night
42:00 to 43:03
The hosts share their excitement about a memorable event and its cultural significance.
“This is the funny thing about it is people not going to understand what y 'all do.”
Reflections on an Iconic Night
44:01 to 44:32
The hosts share their excitement about a memorable event and its cultural significance.
“Warning, this product contains nicotine.”
Timberland and the AI Controversy
46:07 to 52:09
Discussion on the controversy surrounding Timberland's use of AI in music production.
“Timberland got blasted on social media for using a producer's beat and a producer's tag to train his AI platform Suno.”
Top Texas Rappers Debate
52:10 to 56:00
The hosts debate the ranking of Texas rappers, specifically Bun B's place in the top ten.
“impactful player in the entertainment industry that that shit could really, people would follow suit if he became successful.”
Discussion on Cultural Validity
56:00 to 56:30
Exploring the authenticity of voices in music culture.
Q&A with Bun B
56:30 to 57:25
Bun B answers fan questions about collaborations and WNBA teams.
“Bun B, when are we going to get a Kendrick-UGK collab?”
Super Bowl Debate
57:25 to 58:59
Discussing hypothetical Super Bowl outcomes with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
“I wouldn't even know how to email or nothing.”
Comparing Leadership in Football
58:59 to 1:01:01
Analyzing the differences in leadership styles of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
“And also, I think initially, Peyton might have had a little bit more knowledge of the game and naturally fell into that leadership quality.”
Comparing Leadership in Football
1:01:03 to 1:01:28
Analyzing the differences in leadership styles of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
“Before heading to the game in Eugene, take a moment to enjoy the journey and explore Tualatin Valley, located just west of Portland and north of Eugene.”
Transcript
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2:26Shannon Sharpe:Jim Jones is joining us as Ocho was breaking in men. Jim, how you doing, bro? How you feeling, my brother? You good? Yeah, I'm good, man. Life is good. God is good. I can't complain. Yeah. So talk to us a little about this music thing. You've been in this thing for a minute now. So talk about Jim Jones of 20 years ago, Jim Jones today. Hey, have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have you noticed, have you tried to do anything different with your sound to keep up with the way the industry is headed? Oh, yeah, the industry has changed tremendously from when I started. There wasn't no social media, for one.
3:07When I started in 2003 with my first deal, even before that when Cam started with his deal. So these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing, in the promo that we didn't have. They had access to a lot of information that we didn't have. A lot of people say it works against us, but I think it works for us in watching the way that these kids work in the present day and things like that. I've learned a lot from them from how they carry their music, from how they sell their music, from how they market and promote their music. Us as being here for so long, we tend to get caught up in our dinosaur ways from yesterday and how they carry artists, but that's not the way they carry artists today.
3:44So they're platinum artists that have their nose up because they're big platinum artists, but that don't count in today's society. They don't carry it the same way. So what I've chosen to do is always chose to try to reinvent myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing, but there's a medium in that reach because I always want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn something also. So, you know, and reinventing yourself, you've got to be willing to be disciplined to know what direction you want to go in when it comes to reinventing yourself. You know what I mean? One of the things I credit it do is the gym.
4:13The gym is one of the biggest attributes to me being able to sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is a long fun. Jim, let me ask you this.
4:23Shannon Sharpe:And I hear this a lot, and a lot, especially in music. And I see this with television and entertainment, actresses. It's like, man, every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay, he does something different. Man, he don't sound like the old guy. He don't sound like he used to, okay? An actor. They try to do a different role than what we're used to seeing. Man, I like when he did that. I don't like this new. So you want the guy to change. You want the individual to change and give you something different. And when they give you something different, you say they don't sound the same and you don't like it.
5:01Shannon Sharpe:So how does someone win? Now, the person that I have the utmost respect for and what she's been able to do is Beyonce. Beyonce is as big as you can get in one genre. And she says, you know what? I'm going to go over here and I'm going to do this. I mean, it takes some hustle. It takes some guts, Jim, to do that. I mean, she's like Michael Jordan. When Michael Jordan left the NBA, he went to the NBA, the major league. And MLB, the major league. Yeah, he tried to play baseball. Yeah. He had to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean? Same with Dion Neon. Dion, when he was playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the same time in both of them sports.
5:41I mean, and that takes a lot of heart. I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way that Beyonce has done it. So I tip my hat to the barriers that she continued to break inside of this music industry.
5:52Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Hey, Jimmy, what do you think right now about the state of hip-hop, where it is right now? How do you feel about it, especially with the young dudes, with the sound now? Obviously, I think when it comes to rap in general, hip-hop in general, I think the sound changes every 10 years. How do you think about this era of hip-hop right now that we're in? Do you like it? Have you embraced it? What? I mean, in my opinion, it doesn't matter because I had my time where we were dictating the sound of music and we had a ball and there were older people that were hating on the time that we had and things like that.
6:28I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. As long as it's connecting with their crowd and the people are singing your shit and they going to your shows, then who am I to say I don't like that music when he out here spanking shit? You know what I mean? You do it, buddy. So it's like, you got to find, you got to stay true to yourself but find your rhythm in the midst of what's going on or you're going to be lost in the sauce or you're going to be looking like an old dude or you're going to be looking like a has-been or you're going to be, you understand? I'm not into that. My energy ain't for that, you heard?
6:56If I'm going to be a contender in this game, I'm going to play at the top of my ability to play, you know what I mean? I'm not going to take no shortcuts or nothing. I'm in it. I'm in it. I mean, I got to contend with the younger boys. I got to contend with the older boys. That means I got to come through stepping. They only respect violence. And not to say violence, but you know what I mean. Like, they got to see that shit. You dig it? While I'm in the game, I'm going to show them that shit. Like, people don't get it twisted. Like, I'm a man of many, many different things. Like, my rapper hat is one hat that I wear.
7:23But if I'm rapping and I'm in it, I'm in it. What's up? I'm going against all odds and what I got to do to maintain or be a contender in this game and keep feeding my family and making the money that I make off this. You know what I mean? I think people get that twisted when they see me talking and popping my shit and shit like that. That's just one character that I got to put out there for y 'all to eat up. You know what I mean? But I'm...
7:44Shannon Sharpe:Matter of fact, hold on. I got... Go ahead, Ocho. I'm going to let you go on. I just... I saw some comments. I saw a clip about, you know, you and Push. I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got any type of beef or whatever. I just saw something about you talking about the Ace Trumpets. You didn't like the album. You didn't like the song. What he raps about is not - I don't got no beef with nobody. You heard me? Okay, okay. I'm just asking. Half of it is my opinion. Half of it is me bending the algorithm. Half of it is feeding into people's simplicity because the social media is for that. You know what I mean?
8:19And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game. It comes with the territory. You got to be very competitive. is a very competitive sport and you better have some thick skin. I ain't say nothing. I want to hurt nobody or do nothing to nobody. Everything I've been talking about has been strictly about the art of war when it comes to the music nowadays. Now, maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it would have been a different outcome of what I was, you know what I mean? When I was projected, I'm not on that. And I think a lot of that gets twisted with the Jim Jones of today and things like that. I ain't got no positive nobody.
8:51I ain't got no ops, no nothing. and you know it's part of me that I've been working on every day so it's how sometimes I talk way too fast than I should you heard but it's part of the game I don't care you dig I hate it I love it I'm gonna turn it into a victory for me yes sir
9:08Shannon Sharpe:check this out Jim it seems to me since this past summer well past last summer when Kendrick had that disc it seems like now people are just like you know hey we saw the success that Kendrick had got five Grammys. He hosted a, you know, halftime show, the Super Bowl, blah, blah, blah. We see a lot more dissing going on. Is that where we're headed now? Danny, where you been at? You don't remember Tupac? You seen the success that Tupac had? Yeah, but look. You see the success? What about Kumo? What about Kumo D and LL? Yes. This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that. So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no surprise to the rap industry.
9:51I mean, people look at it as something, but this is what the auto rap is about. It's a very competitive sport, and you got to be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that. So if you put something out, you got to be ready for the same energy to come back at you. That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down that lane. Some people go around that lane. Some people go right through it. I'm one of the people that go right through it. Win, lose, or draw. I keep the same face.
10:15Shannon Sharpe:But hold on, hold on. Jim, Jim. Bro, I'm not looking for you to come at me. I put you on, remember? I used to have you on my, I used to have, I used to tour with me. You used to open up for me, bro, you know? You remember that, right? Whenever nobody was booking you, you remember that, Jim? You heard this song? You heard this saying when rivals, I mean, idols become your rivals? That's what the rap game is about. Did Allen Alvison hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA? Yeah, he crossed his ass up. And be okay, because he was on another team. That might not stop the love he had for Mike, but while we on this battlefield, my team got to win, and I wouldn't have killed anybody that's in front of me for my team to win.
10:55And that was Allen Alvarez's attitude. You got to understand what happens when you come into this game. Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes when we on the other team. We meet you at the party. We can laugh, pop champagne, but right now, while we on this field, while we on this court, oh, I'm coming to scrape shit out.
11:09Shannon Sharpe:No, we can't pop no more champagne. You got people laughing at me, and guess what? They playing at the football games. They playing at the basketball games, not like us. oh no we can't pop no champagne after that as a matter of fact I'm gonna close the club down hey if he ain't if he coming I ain't coming I mean but I just told you that's what it is it's competitive to the sport man you gotta it got different levels to it and things like that but that's what this was built on you heard so it's sad that they gotta go to such lengths when it comes to artists getting at each other when it comes to the music but what you project is what you're going to get.
11:46So just have that same energy you put out there because somebody coming right back at you with that same energy sooner or later.
11:51Shannon Sharpe:Well, let me ask you one more question, Ocho. So are we going to get some new music because we saw you and Cam kind of going back and forth. Is it Dipset coming back? Y 'all going to link up together and give us some new music? Yes or no? Right now, I'm worried about myself. Dipset is always Dipset. The birds still fly. I've been having a bird on my back for the past 15 years when nobody was worried about you think. So that's going to go. But right now, I got to worry about me. I got to worry about my endeavors. I got to worry about my business. I got to worry about my family. You dig? I've done a lot for diplomats where it didn't did me nothing at the time.
12:21But right now, where I'm at in my life, what works for me and what I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what the future may hold or what the future may bring. I'm not taking nothing off the table. You dig? But right now, it's about Jim Jones. And yeah, I am a diplomat owner. Bet.
12:37Shannon Sharpe:Go ahead, Ocho. I like that. Listen, you took the question. I was finesse. And I think, you know what? History repeats itself, Jimmy. history always repeats itself. And most of the time when history repeats itself, it comes back even bigger and better. I think diplomats are going to have, they're going to have a reunion. I think y 'all boys are going to reunite. And despite your differences, despite whatever situations y 'all might have, you know, all that can be fixed behind closed doors. That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to be had. Especially when you're making that money. Or a check, you heard?
13:09A nice check always calms things down, you heard? I'm not a stupid man, you heard? You dig? But I understand, man. But right now, where I'm at until that happens, until some business gets put on the table that's advantageous for all sides, right now I got to worry about what Capo is doing. And it's been working for me that way. You know what I mean? I've been staying out of everybody's way a little bit. You know what I mean? Trying to... Every day I work on me, every day I get better and things like that. You dig? I'm unapologetic, you dig? And I don't have no regrets, you know me? But I do work on myself every day.
13:38You know what I mean? I'm not a perfect man, you dig? But I'm the perfect example of what could happen if you stay down till you come up. And that's what I did plenty of times.
13:46Shannon Sharpe:I got you. Jim, like, look, you were the OGs, rap, I mean, hip-hop is 50 years of age. You've been in this thing two decades. I ain't 50. I'm 48. I said hip-hop is 50. I thought you were shooting it at me. My bad. Nah, nah, nah. Hip-hop is 50, but you've been in this thing for two decades, right? I've been in this thing, yes. A little bit more than that. Since 1997, Cammon got his first deal, so I'm like 28 years in. to two years. Okay, so almost three decades. Yeah, 100%. And I've been signed my first deals two decades ago. How do you determine who you work with now? When you want to work with the young artists, how do you go about that?
14:26Shannon Sharpe:How do you be like, man, I kind of like him. I think we can make some beautiful music together. I mean, I hold no pressure to this. I'm looking for great music and I'm looking for great aesthetic. Music isn't everything in today's world when it comes to music. If you've got a lifestyle that you can sell, these kids can buy into, then that's just as good as having a great hit song and things like that. And that's how it worked for me. So it's a combination of the things that I look for to work with the artists or to do business with the artists. But as far as doing music with the artists and things like that, obviously, I'm a lover of music.
14:56So if I hear a record that I think is dope and I think the artist is dope, I'm going to reach out to them.
15:04Shannon Sharpe:How do you stay motivated? We lost him? Yeah. I think we lost it. Oh, damn. That was good. I was enjoying that, bro. Hey, I'm thinking about rapping, man. Shoot, man. What you think? Ocho? What you going to rap about now, Ocho? Who, me? Yeah. Hey, I mean, I'm just saying, I'm going to rap about things that I've experienced in life. You know, that's the best thing to rap about. That's what most rappers, they rap about the thing that they've experienced. You know, the ups, the downs, the goods, the bads, you know, the W's, the L's. I think I could put it together. You think so? Oh, there we go. Oh, you're back.
15:53Shannon Sharpe:Oh, yeah. You look like a French painter with a little bit of Biggie from Brooklyn with that on, you heard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just came from the south of France. I was down there for six days, so I just got back yesterday. Oh, that's the vibe. You still spilling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still on my suave. Yeah, you still spilling that shit. I get it. I get it. I get it. Jim, what keeps you at this juncture of the game, what keeps you motivated? What makes Jim jump out of bed, press down hard as he can, and press go? What keeps you going? I will say the money, but I've been making money for a long time.
16:36and the opportunity to take care of my family. I've been doing that for a long time. At this point, I've been doing a lot. So my mission has been to give back more than I took. But I was able to take a lot, and I'm still taking. So that's where I'm at in life right now. You know what I mean? The more I bless people, the more I get blessed. And it's just a testament of hard work and being resilient and being real with yourself. You know what I mean?
17:00Shannon Sharpe:Can I ask you a question, Jim? Mm-hmm. You smoke, right? Yeah. Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas? I might have been a little bit. Well, as far as, let's get this right. I'm way more influential than Nas, and I don't care what nobody say. I know I made a little booboo when you talk about the sales and all this type of shit. I don't feel like getting into that rhetoric about where I started and where he started. Well, you said that bullshit. But listen, Nas was nice when I was in high school. When I was in 10th grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope. We appreciated him. He had a little bit run.
17:29But Nas always came up second to Jay and DMX and all these other people. Ain't no shame in that. A lot of homos came up and said to Tom Brady. He never had that type of influence on us except for his first album. I already told you. I used to want to dress like Nas because he had a lot of fresh clothes that the hustlers used to wear and shit and we used to see him on TV. He had one of the illest albums of all time. And then in high school when he had the barbecue and shit like that. So I'm a real fan of Nas but he kind of lost me after the movie Belly and shit like that. Man, go ahead on with that, Jim.
17:57I'm trying to tell you. I'm being honest. You want to ask me? I'm being a fan. I'm telling you from the movie belly was fire, but after that, he kind of lost me. I don't think, I think we was way too much into the game. Remember how this goes. That's not, you ever heard of a koo-fi list? It's the difference between trying to talk to your friends over the music at a bar and having dinner where you can actually hear each other. Between getting food delivered and cooking something you know she's going to love. It's the difference between a rough nicotine pouch and On Plus nicotine pouches with Nico Silk Mesh.
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21:02Shannon Sharpe:I'm going to put it there like this, Jim. Bro, you've been at this thing. But lyrically, I'm going to keep it a stack with you. Yeah, but look how you dress. Look how you dress. You don't even be in the same places I be in. But I can be in the church house. You can't ever know us lyrically. I don't know who told you that. Now, look, I know you on that good stuff, But you not seeing Nas. You not seeing Nas, bro. Let me real. You got a bunch of 40 and 50-year-olds in their panties because I said, I'm better than Nas. It don't matter. Look at you. Ain't nobody from Dipset going to take you over Nas.
21:36Ain't nobody from the Diplomats but you.
21:38Shannon Sharpe:That's true. I got to take you. Hold on, Jimmy. That's true. Hold on, hold on. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. You want to go back to I really mean it? I really mean it, Stonard. If you could go back to your history, bro. For you to even say that. Don't do that, bro. That's why you'll be sticking up for Nile. I got a question. I got a question. Let Nile stick up for itself and meet me in a booth or something if we want to do something historical. Nile said he don't do that no more. Nile said he don't do that. Because he got a hundred million dollars. He's a very wealthy man.
22:04You heard he's a very smart businessman. He caught a couple business flicks. Hold on, hold on.
22:08Shannon Sharpe:Jimmy, hold on. I got a question. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, Jim. Hold on, hold on. I got a question. This is what you do, Jimmy. And anything that you do, right, I've heard you preach it all the time, right? When you was playing football, your first thing you always say, ain't nobody here better than me. Ah, tell him again. You done told me that story a million times. Wait, listen to me, man. Fuck you think I'm going to be second to anybody in this world? Hold on, Jimmy. Jimmy, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. But I'm just saying, that mentality, isn't that how you supposed to feel?
22:42Shannon Sharpe:Isn't that how you supposed to feel? So let me ask you a question. When you was on the field, you thought you was better than T.O. and Moss? Hell yeah. What you mean? I ain't going to say it out loud. You done came on here and say, I ain't better than Moss. I'm not better than T.O. I'm not better than Rice. You said that. I'm not playing the game no more. But you wasn't playing. You didn't. You wasn't playing. That's the difference. Jim, why you talking? You need to get with the locks. I'm still playing. Jayden, them don't cook y 'all into verses. I'm still playing. I'm still playing at a high level.
23:12We need to check my record, you heard? You jumping up the mouse. I'm still playing at a high level. I'm rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro. I will run circles around Nas rapping right now. Right now, I will run satin around Nas right now rapping. Everybody knows that. You heard? That's not talking about the past. Bro, bro, bro. He put it down. He sat it down. I will run laps around Nas rapping right now, bro. Jim.
23:44Shannon Sharpe:Oh, you're talking about right now. But I'm talking about when y 'all... I'm still in it. You couldn't see him. I'm still in it. He got out. Cam was smoking his boots. I wasn't rapping when he was rapping, but Cam really got at him. You remember I really mean it? We've been getting at them boys, but this is not about that. Right now, 2025, I'm in the game still rapping at a high capacity. If Nas wants to smoke, come in the booth. I will rap circles around him. He don't want no smoke. He enjoying that$150 million,$200 million. Okay then, so then leave me alone while I'm on the field. You were effing with him.
24:14He was vibing you. I'm on the field. I'm picking on whoever, whatever. I don't care. I'm on the field. And guess who's the most talked about person tomorrow?
24:23Shannon Sharpe:And guess who would be the most talked about person tomorrow? You need to call like Drake. You need to call like Weezy. You need to call like Kendrick. You need to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it. Why? He don't want to be. Kendrick ain't my age. I was in a day in my era. I ain't got, that's not my era. He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement? Well, that's my era. So I'm calling all of them out. I don't care if you retired or not. Deal with it. If not, meet me in the booth, Jack. You heard me? Meet me in the booth. And I'm just talking about sportsmanship. I'm not mad. Let's get, let's just get, let's get this right.
24:59I'm not mad. It's all about the sportsmanship of the game. People know I'm a very aggressive person. That seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking about shit. I'm just talking about shit. You heard? Let me talk my shit because I am on the field. If anybody got a problem with that, they can meet me on the field. That is the proof. Anybody from that era. Anybody. Hey, well, I got... Anybody from that era. Anybody. Well, you and Jada in the same era. Anybody from that era. You ain't seeing Jada. Stop that. I said anybody from that era. Stop that. I'm not scared of nobody.
25:36Shannon Sharpe:Man, pup, hey, hey, see you speeding right now. Anybody from that era, I'm asking nobody. I'm in the booth daily. I'm in the booth daily. I'm in the booth daily. In the booth daily. Anybody want to work out, tell him come to the field. This is the perfect opportunity. You're not even paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen, he said anybody from his area, anybody, he in the field, right? Shit, we can have our own versus on that, our own nightcap versus. I got I got It's deeper Than the verses It's about Who making music Meet me in the booth Put the record up Give us a time To do the record by Give us a subject And let's see Who gonna smoke Who on the booth Yeah Yeah it is That's it Come on It's about the sportsmanship It's about the craftsmanship Fuck the numbers Fuck the records You heard Cause we both got records That can smash We both got Nigga meet me in the booth Fuck all that Old school shit When playing on records From 20 years ago I am not nostalgic, nigga.
26:39It's 2025. Don't want smoke. Meet me in the booth. Set it up and we can do it for money. Labels and pay for it. How y 'all want to do it? We can make a spectacle out here. I got it. Let's go. I'm a sportsman, you heard?
26:52Shannon Sharpe:I got Nas. I got God for it. Well, get him in the booth. I got Jada. Listen to me. If you get anybody in the booth, I will pull up by myself. on mommy. Yeah, why would you want to pull over the team? They can't help you. When you get on that mic, they can't help you. When 29 starts spitting, who you going to get to help you? Hey, you're not seeing the vision. I'm seeing the vision. You're not seeing the vision. That nigga's spanning shirts. There's an opportunity. You got to start buying a bag of your clothes, big fella. You're too big, man. You talk about you in the gym. Now you want to get me, you want me to see me in the gym?
27:31Shannon Sharpe:Since you like to talk that ish, now come see me in the gym. Come see me in the gym. What are we talking about? Working out or strength? Work however you want to do it. Since you got money, put your money where your mouth feels. Since you're talking about working out, I burn you. You're talking about working out or strength? Because you probably can lift a lot more than me. Whatever. You're probably stronger than me. Whatever. But if you're talking about working out, you're talking about working out, I burn you. This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want. You are doing good when you're talking about Nars and Jada.
28:06Shannon Sharpe:You don't want to see this. You better check the stack. You better check my stack. You better go to my IG. Set it up. Man, please. Also, set it up. I'll be the... Hey, I live for dump trucks loading up of guys like you. What you want to start on? You ain't in my league, bro. What you want to start on? How you want to do this? You ain't in my league. What you want to start on? You ain't in my league. You too small. You too small. You too small. You too small. You too small. Hey, hey, Jim. You want to put a trainer in between. Don't back out. Do not back out now. I come to Atlanta tomorrow and give you one.
28:35Shannon Sharpe:That's you. Bro. You too small. Bro. You talking. You talking a lot. What you want to do? Stick to what you do. I don't even know it. Hey, stick to what you do. You good on the mic. I won't take that away from you. But stay out of the jail. Do you want to do it or not? You got some money. Do you want to do it or not? I want to compete too. Uncle, what we doing? Because neither one does. Hey, start with Ocho. You can't. You don't get the code. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm going to tell you one story. How I met Antonio Brown. My son said, you know, Antonio Brown live up the block because I live on the beach and shit like that.
29:16I'm like, who is that? He like, he showed me to him. I DM'd him. He like, oh, yeah, your son play football? Come get this workout. So I get on the beach. Cam Newton and like a few other NFL players. I ain't going to say nobody's name. He made two of them go home because I was, I finished the workout before they finished the workout, bro. Do not play with me. I'm a beast, nigga. I will go crazy on you, Shannon. Shannon, I will go crazy on you. What do you want to do? You want to work out or you want to do strong shit? You heard? Because obviously you can lift longer than me, but you can't work out with me, bro.
29:45I'm a beast, nigga. I'm a beast.
29:47Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. You can't do one muscle up, nothing. You can't do nothing with me, bro. Dude, you weigh 150 pounds. You should do muscle up. I weigh 195. I weigh 195. Hey, Jim. You better go to my Instagram. Go to my Instagram right now. I work out every day. I post it. I don't post it. Don't play with me. I work out in secret. I post it every day, nigga. What's up? I don't post nothing. What day you want me to come to Atlanta? I ain't even in Atlanta. I'm going to come see you. Oh, come to New York. We got gyms. When you want to do it? Man, the little star, right? You want to do a live on the show? You want to do a live on the show?
30:26Shannon Sharpe:30-minute workout? I don't do anything for sure. Just me and you. And I just want you to know that I keep your ass doing what you do. You see what I'm saying, old show? Hey. See, you about show. I'm about dough. I'm about dough. I'm about dough. I'm about dough. I'm about dough. The show gets the dough. You never heard that? Yeah. No dough, no show. What's up? You scared? We can do it for pay-per-view. We can do it for pay-per-view. I know you got a lot on the line because you're a professional football player or an expert football player. I'm retired. I'm retired. You don't want to get straight up by a rap.
30:56When you signed your first contract, I'm retired. I'm tired. So how would an Foo player look like you're strapped up by an older rapper?
31:05Shannon Sharpe:Hey, when we going to compete? There ain't no rapper beating me in nothing but on the microphone. When it comes to the gym, that ain't happening. What you want to do? What you want to do? Look here. The rap game, that's you. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era of expertise. I ain't finna waste my time dealing with you, man, because you ain't on this level. You want to run sprints? You want to run routes? What you want to do? Or you just want to stay in the gym? Or you just want to stay in the gym? And I got a bad hamstring, and I still give you work. Or you want to stay in the gym?
31:41I'm staying in the gym.
31:42Shannon Sharpe:I don't want to do nothing but that iron. I don't move nothing but iron. Yeah, yeah. That's what I thought. We can move iron, bro. I want to wheel your ass out with the iron, bro. What I did, hey, check my resume. It's extensive. In 30 minutes, you won't last 30 minutes with me. You want me to follow you or you want to follow me? How you want to do it? You can't follow me. I'm going to record. Because you can't do nothing. You can't bench. You can't squat. You can't do nothing. You want to do bodyweight movements. I don't do bodyweight movements. I move iron. You better go check my gram. I do circus squats.
32:14I do regular squats. We do deadlifts. We do everything. Are you out your mind?
32:17Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Man, I'm a little weight. You're 195 pounds. Man, what I look like going up against a 195-pound man in the gym. That was wasting my time. Next, Ocho, take that. Ocho, take that. I'm a heavyweight. I'm gonna... Where I'm from, a challenge is a challenge, nigga. Yeah, it regards the size, right? We fight all bullies where I'm from. That's how I get up, nigga. You heard? I ain't scared of no man on nothing, nigga. You heard? You gotta break me. I'm the U.S. What I look like taking over Greenland. They ain't got no damn military. Jim, this ain't what you like. This ain't what you looking for.
32:55Shannon Sharpe:Bro, bring your mouth and your body to Harlem. Let's go to the gym. Let's go to the gym. Yeah, man, about that, man. He want to do some muscle. You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers. No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape. Hey, apple is a shape. Pear, egg. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape. and you can ask everybody. The whole industry knows. We was having a great conversation. It was great. You see what you did? Why do you think I was on the cover of Men's Health? For my looks? Because I get busy. Oh, Lord have mercy. When we going in the gym, because I want this work.
33:38Shannon Sharpe:I'm busy. I want this work. Now you busy. You bring it up. Now you busy, Rich Man. You brought it up. You own your cupid. First of all, you chat, you own Nas, you want Jada, you want everybody, and then you got to come and say, hey, why are you nobody? You said that. You said that. You start bringing other people in. Don't try no slick shit. I said, I don't care who it is. I will go up against anybody. That's what I said. Jim Jones claims he's a better rapper than Nas. Jim Jones defends himself against Nas comparison. Jim Jones rejects Nas comparison. Check my record. Jim Jones argues he's bigger than Nas.
34:14Shannon Sharpe:You said that. You sound like you a little hot. You over there hot. You in your feelings? Because me and everybody else know you can't F with Nas. Fix your glasses a little bit. Your glasses is a little crooked. My glasses are fine. What kind of glasses is that? I take them off. You can see? And I still can see you can't F with Nas. I put them back on. You still can't F with Nas. Come on. Sing 16 bars in Nas right now. Sing your favorite Nas record right now. The man busy. Sing it. Sing it. Sing your favorite Nas record. First of all, once you get to a certain— Listen. Sing your favorite Nas record.
34:57Jim. I bet you know your favorite Jay-Z record. I bet you can say your favorite— What? Jim. Sing your favorite Nas record. Okay, you done flew high. You came back down now. Sing your favorite Nas record, bro, since you gone crazy for him. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. So you are capping. You are capping. That's what you're doing. Bro, I'm about to be 50. I'm a bigger Nas fan than you are. You are capping.
35:29Shannon Sharpe:First of all, first of all, I'm 57. I don't be singing no rap. I don't be singing no rap. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? He don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the views to get Jim Jones on there to get him hot. I understand. But you don't know Nas. You don't know Nas. You better check the podcast space. Now you better talk - Sing 16. Sing a Nas record. This is the biggest podcast you ever been on. This is the biggest podcast you ever been on. Do you know the podcast you've been on bigger than this one? Hold on. I'm not a podcaster. This is what I do. Name the podcast you've been on bigger than this one.
36:05Shannon Sharpe:When you get big, you get invited to club Shea Shea. This is what I do. Nas get invited to club Shea Shea. Jadikus get invited to club Shea Shea. You ain't on that level yet, bro. T-shirt. It's a little young white girl. Chill out. Chill out. We off topic. Chill out. We off topic. You're dealing with the wrong one, bro. Right here, bro. You hear me? I don't care nothing about nothing that shit you got to say, bro. You might as well take me off this shit, bro. Hey, we here. You can't outtalk me. Leave me alone, bro. You might get out around me, but you can't outtalk me. Don't nobody want to go to the club, Shay Shay.
36:38Nobody want to buy no VIP tickets to that shit. Nobody rushing to go to that shit. Biggest podcast you ever been on. You do got to do a podcast. You do got to do a podcast. You nobody listening to me? The podcast is tremendous. You and Ocho do your thing. But don't get it twisted, bro. I don't say nothing about no fucking podcast, bro.
36:55Shannon Sharpe:We supposed to be talking about music and love and embracing one another and culture. Nah, we ain't gonna let it come out here and disrespect Nas and Jada. Now they gonna happen on here. Nah, where were we? Why are you people and Jada into this? Why you keep putting Jada into this? What's wrong with you? What is wrong with you, bro? You type of nigga that get caught like, nah, come out. They caught us all. Like, why you keep trying to put Jada into this, bro? Nah, I get it, bro. It's all good. It's all love, bro. All right, you talk about this here. Tell us about the movie you got coming out. The next movie?
37:30What you said? Yeah, you got a movie coming out, right? Yeah, coming out at the church steps. A lovely movie. I got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of influences that we all know. I'm excited to put that movie out. comes out later on this summer. It's added on to my album. Got a bunch of dope actors in there too, so I'm looking forward to that.
37:50Shannon Sharpe:So are you most proud of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got coming out? Or they're equal? I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately. Okay. See, you must think my life revolves around music when my life is music is probably the smallest fraction of my life, even though it fuels a lot of the things that comes to my life because of music. But I'm a great businessman all around the board. You know what I mean? So you got to learn a lot more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I'm one of the few people that do give back. Shirts off my backs and things like that.
38:23All the rhetoric about the rap and back and forth is cool and shit like that. But deep down inside, I'm a way iller man than what we over here growing off about and things like that. My biggest attribute is my giving back. You heard it? I'm going to always do that, no matter what. I want people to get it misconstrued. I love to give back. That's what my whole mission is about. And the more I go viral, the more I'm on your Explorer page, the more opportunities come to me, the more I can give back. All this comes down to a dollar is what people don't understand. It's algorithm. It's a game that I had to learn and understand because I was a – previously I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the internet or so many ways that people are talking about me.
39:04I had to learn how to reverse it and use these things as fuel for me to keep going and things like that. And that's just what I've been doing. I got to a point where I got good at it, so I know how to use it in my favor. And it's a beautiful thing. It could go against you. It could go for you. But one thing, if you're a small person, it's going to work in your favor. You know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn it into a dollar. And any time that I'm seeing, heard, they're going to want to know about me. Extra Stream is an extra dollar. I don't care about what nobody said. I name mine in all facets.
39:32Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? That's what I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask, was it always a part of your like if you ever made it that you were going to give back because like you said you do you do give back to the younger generation you do give back to your community when did that thought process how did that come about Jim Jones like you know what if I get to a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm able to give back that's what I'm going to do um we from an older era a Godfair era so I watched my family open their houses strangers sometimes and things like that. They was always a given. And not to mention when I'm coming outside and watching the hustlers doing for the community, the ones that were successful, the ones that always gave back, bus rides, sneakers, haircuts, all of that.
40:14So I just chose to carry on tradition. And me being a position of success in my life only helped me to do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up.
40:23Shannon Sharpe:That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm going to pull up in Harlem. Come on. I'm waiting for you, man. I love you. I'm waiting for you. I love you, baby. Hey, Jimmy, if you pull up in Harlem, we got to go to Ricardo's. No, we got to go to Ricardo's. Hey, Shannon, you know why I love you? I love people that I can go back and forth with and people don't take no offense to it. You heard? That's what's up. A lot of people look at this and might take offense to it, but we black men. They are, they are, but we don't care. We had a great time. We know who we are, you dig? Yeah, for sure. You dig?
40:59We can never let no electronics get in between the realism. We know it's at stake here and we know what we're doing. You dig? And I appreciate you for that. Because a lot of people would have took everything to offense and like, you dig? You heard? But we are who we are, man. I appreciate this opportunity, man. Y 'all do have a great show. I cannot take that from you. I appreciate you coming on. Let's get this workout done. Come on, OJ. Bring him to Harlem. Let's work out. Let's go work out. I'm going to bring him. I'm going to bring him. And then go to Ricardo's.
41:24Shannon Sharpe:Hey, he not as strong as he say, though. He not as strong as... Oh, there you go. He may just be talking, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You see? Oh, man, this was the next one. Nah, but hey, Jim, real talk, though, man. I appreciate you coming on. Ocho and I really appreciate it. We appreciate the time. And I've never, you know, hey, we have a great time going back and forth, talking about Nods and Jaden and you. But, bro, you stand the test of time. You do what you do. You're great at what you do. And I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule tonight to come on with Ocho and I and talk about all things.
41:56Shannon Sharpe:So I had a great time. I don't know about Ocho. But I had a great time. Hey, listen. I had a great time. Hey, listen. This was iconic tonight. This was iconic. Anytime you got... This is the funny thing about it is people not going to understand what y 'all do. It's going to be trending, Jim. You know we're going to be a star in the morning. People not going to understand that. This is what we do. Nah, this is what we do. This is the culture. This is how we act. This is how we act when we get together. Like, people got to understand it. Yeah. I love y 'all, though, man. I appreciate you. Hey, this wasn't nothing but a Spades game without a cause.
42:27That's all. A hundred percent. Our whole attitude is spades all day. All the time.
42:32Shannon Sharpe:All the time, bro. I love your man. The thing was, if I was in Harlem, he's like, okay, let's go find a gym right now. We'll find out what we bought. 100%. 100%. 100%. We stand on that. Hey, but gym, hey, man, best of luck on the album. Best of luck on the movie, man. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back by. I will. I appreciate that, bro. All love. Thank you, man. Bye.
43:02Shannon Sharpe:Hey, that was awesome. That was awesome. Hey, Ocho, now you know everybody gonna say, man, Jim Jones and Shadow Shop was going, hey. No, they don't understand it. Anybody that say that, they don't play spades. They don't play spades. No. But Ocho, it's been a while since I've been able to get that out. Ocho, I've been sitting on there for two months now. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
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46:02Shannon Sharpe:Warning, this product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes. Timberland got blasted on social media for using a producer's beat and a producer's tag to train his AI platform Suno. Tim previewed a demo record which utilized the beat tag from KFresh and lyrics from TikTok creator. He sought to make a new version of the song, but users quickly noticed they were a bit too similar. They called out the Virginia producer using real music made by human beings to train AI without crediting or paying them. Bun, and I remember having a conversation with Tim because I had him on the pod, and he said he was nervous about this.
46:45Shannon Sharpe:Bun, do you think about the controversy? What do you think is going on with Tim and this new AI creation? I think for one, it's uncharted territory. And I think it's still in the very early stages of the technology. I think it's going to grow over leaps and bounds over the next couple of years because they covered so much ground in the last 10 years with AI technology. You know what I'm saying? AI companies are starting to pop up more and more. And they're all billion-dollar companies. People are flooding these companies with all kinds of money. I think this is the problem. I think that we're not thinking about this, what they're doing now.
47:22The only way that AI can do these things is if you feed it information. You've got to feed it information. I know on a very small level, an introductory level, there are musicians who are feeding AI machines, their voices, their cadences, their tones, some of them, the way they play instrumentation. And now the AI program can replicate what a rhyme from you would sound like without you having to write it. what chords being played would sound like without you having to play them. You know what I'm saying? That's very dangerous. Here's the real danger though, Shannon, what I believe. We live in a digital world, right?
47:57All these, everything digital has what they call watermarks, right? And watermarks are what they use to track the technology as it goes out into the world. So companies can be like, oh, that's what they're doing? That's our technology. I bet you we can find it in the code, right? That kind of a thing. I think everybody that's utilizing this stuff right now, I feel like one day, ChatGPT can wake up one day and say, everybody that's ever made music using my technology, we own a piece of it. And there's nothing you can say. I don't believe anybody's read their agreement, right? I'm sure if somebody got through these ChatGPT and all these different AI companies' agreements when you agree to utilize the technology or download the app and all of that, I guarantee that they are going to go back, find out everything that was created using their technology that profited, that was sent out into the world as commerce and people spent money on it.
48:58They're going to come back the same way that older artists are coming back because somebody sampled their music. Right. I've created that. You took my creation and manipulated it without paying me. you owe me money i believe these people are giving this technology out to people for free in the hopes that they utilize it unknowingly giving these companies a piece of this intellectual property because it's all intellectual property you know what i'm saying so i think i i won't touch it i won't download it or nothing because not that i'm against it you know for recreational use i guess that's fine if it helps organize things or put things together you know however that I understand.
49:38But when we're talking about utilizing this technology to manipulate intellectual properties, bro, we playing a dangerous ass game because somebody could just start feeding AI Timberland's beat structures. You know what I'm saying? They could start utilizing his drum patterns and put that in and make a trembling record without him, you know? And you're opening yourself up, quite frankly, with the way he's doing it to a whole lot of litigation and a whole lot of trouble. Personally, I don't think America is the market for that. Japan, China's been doing it for years. You know what I'm saying? But that's a cultural thing.
50:16They socialize different in certain countries. So, having a relationship with someone that I know this shit sounds crazy, but having a relationship with a machine for some people fits their lifestyle a lot better. It doesn't work like because they don't have they don't have the social graces to go out and meet people and and commune with people in that way so this is a healthy in their minds alternative but here no at some point we're gonna want to see somebody get on stage and sing this shit you know i'm saying and you know it's it's the it's the allure right it's the allure like megan a stallion is a famous person because men find her attractive women find her attractive you know what i'm saying there's there's an allure to it japan and china has that very strange relationship with technology in that way where they they don't just make robots they have relationships with robots and pillows and all of that type of shit is different i don't think that he can break a star like that because at some point somebody got to get on the stage.
51:26Somebody got to sign an autograph. Somebody got to take a picture. You know, and I don't think we want to see a robot and a computer do that to the point of touring today. But, you know, you never know. Ten years from now, I'm an analog dude. I come up on 8 tracks and putting 45s on the record and all that stuff. I'm not knocking it, but I think we don't understand it enough to utilize it in the way that we're trying to utilize it. I think that's the real problem with Tim. I don't think he's really thinking of the cons. Everybody uses AI for what they think they can make it work for, but nobody's thinking about how this could set back.
52:08And Tim is such a major impactful player in the entertainment industry that that shit could really, people would follow suit if he became successful. If he and his artists become successful, this will be a thing.
52:22Shannon Sharpe:It will be a whole thing. Bun, let me know what you think. Jadakiss is still upset about not making the top five on complex top 50 New York list. If we were to do a top 50 Houston list, Bun, is Bun gonna be in the top 10? There's an argument to that and I'm gonna tell you why because technically I'm from Port author. That's the way that I've been put in this lexicon. UGK typically is taken out of that conversation for Houston. Now, Texas? Oh, no. You're going to have hell trying to be better than this in Texas. Okay. Since it's New York, we're going to make it Texas then? No, you can't even have that conversation.
53:12You can't even have that conversation without me. And I'm not I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but there's a certain style of rapping that didn't even really exist in Houston before I started rapping a certain way. Like being a lyricist wasn't necessarily a requirement. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't necessarily something you had to do to be successful here because it wasn't a demand primary. But I never felt like, I felt like I was already way past my competition here. So I was competing with everybody. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, there's no way you could. The only way you take me out of it is that it's like, no, but we don't mean you.
53:54We don't mean like you and face or whatever. But if we talk about everybody, top five from Texas, man, I got to wash my mouth on this show. I'm really trying to be cool about it. I honestly don't think there's five people from Houston that can rap better than me. That's from the state of Texas. that's better than me. I give you DLC and Scarface. I give you DLC and Scarface. That's it. Maybe 3-2. Maybe Rest in Peace, 3-2. But, um... Yeah, they got...
54:27Shannon Sharpe:I'm looking at this list. They got Jada. Damn, they got Jada at 16. Yeah, no, they wrong for that. They very wrong for that. And look, I understand because you have to understand that some of the greatest rappers of all time came from New York. you know what i'm saying that's where it started is i understand why they would want to honor other people before they honored jay the kids you know what i'm saying i get that and but all this shit is relative right because in the earliest days wasn't nobody harder than ll then when nobody harder than rakim then carol rest you know like these things are subjective You know what I'm saying?
55:08But if somebody that lives in the modern time in New York City is rating New York rappers and they don't put Jadakins in it, he's top 10, right? I can understand people wanting to argue about whether or not he's top five if you look at the whole scheme. But again, you got to put the Rakims and the Big Daddy Canes and the Cool G Raps. You know what I'm saying? All these great people.
55:32Shannon Sharpe:Man, they got Big Daddy Canes. Man, they got Big Daddy Canes so far down. Now, man, the people don't realize how good Big Daddy Kane was. Big Daddy Kane was, is still like that. Look, man, we sit in, we argue Jordan and LeBron all over again. That's all this is. Different times speak to different sensitivities. You know what I'm saying? And that's how people draw these lists. I could understand him being upset, but at the same time, it's all subjective. You know what I'm saying? And when you meet the people that typically make these lists, they aren't legitimately they're not they're not steeped enough in the culture to really have these conversations with much less give any validity to that shit I don't get these people no weight just because they say they listen to a bunch of music shit I listen to a bunch of music I listen to a bunch of R &B too I can't I ain't finishing acting like I can sing or judge people who can't sing I can't even harm shit alright bud we better close it out on this we got our final segment of the day it's time for Q &A Okay.
56:34Shannon Sharpe:Here we go. Q and A, baby.
56:41Shannon Sharpe:Joe Bombo's Athlon's Playbook. Bun, this one's for you. Bun B, when are we going to get a Kendrick-UGK collab? That's a good question. I've not been able to really have a relationship with Kendrick. That's somebody that I literally have not bumped into, of all the people in hip-hop. I've never bumped into him, but that's not surprising because Kendrick don't really socialize like that outside of his homeboys in LA and people that he records with. It's not somebody that you'll see at Rolling Loud or Coachella or something like that or at somebody's release party or a New Jordan release or something like that.
57:18He just don't socialize like that. So there's no relationship to even extend the offer. I wouldn't even know how to email or nothing. I mean, he's an amazing rapper. I always want to rap with the best people. You know what I'm saying? So anybody that's considered one of the best, the studio is always open.
57:40Shannon Sharpe:Hugs973 said, Bun, do you think they'll bring the Comets back? No, but I don't. The WNBA. Well, they are. Now, they are looking to bring a WNBA team back to Houston. I know they're thinking of that, but I don't know if they would call that team the Comets. I'm not sure who owns that name in that way. I'm not sure the Rockets ownership, if that's something that transfers from owner to owner, or how that works. But, I mean, I think it would be great for the city. I think the city would come all the way out. But you got to understand, if you decide to call a WNBA team the Comets, you got to have the best of the best on that team.
58:17Because that's arguably the best legacy ever in WNBA basketball.
58:22Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, you had Coop. You had Cheryl Swoops. You had Tina Thompson. Oh, y 'all would load it. That's why you won four straight. Aaron was a hometown hero. God bless the recipe. Yeah. No, we had that squad. There's never been as dominated a team as that team was. Four-P, right? Yes. Four-P. The first four. Fins New Jersey said, let's bring in Mike Jones from Houston for his Houston opinion. Anyone got his number? Mike is going to come on in the very near future. And guess what? Come back and we'll ask. And his number ain't changed. he still got that number Kimber Norwood Jr. said Unk and Bun B my question how many Super Bowls would Peyton Manning have if he was quarterback for the Patriots and Tom Brady was the quarterback for the Colts that's a good question because you've got to think of the drive that Tom came in with there's a big difference between getting drafted here at the top and getting drafted at the bottom Both of those put a fire under you, but for different reasons.
59:31And also, I think initially, Peyton might have had a little bit more knowledge of the game and naturally fell into that leadership quality. Whereas, you know, Tom was the leader of the locker room, but never the leader of the team. Peyton had power in his early years. Tom gradually gained that power and knew how to utilize it a little bit different. And then he had Belichick too, right?
59:59Shannon Sharpe:And that's a whole different type of discipline. I can't. That was a whole different animal. Peyton never had a coach like that, that had that kind of control because Peyton really had the control. Peyton ran practice. Peyton ran the two minutes. Peyton ran everything. And so. Different responsibilities. Privileges that Brady was never. You know, like I know Shannon, different responsibilities create different people. Absolutely. There's a big difference of what's expected from the big brother than the little brother. You know what I'm saying? Yep. I absolutely know what you're saying. It's the difference between trying to talk to your friends over the music at a bar and having dinner where you can actually hear each other.
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Shannon Sharpe clashes with Jim Jones over the Nas debate in a heated Nightcap moment! Hip-hop legend Bun B reveals his Top 10 Texas rappers of all time, and West Coast icon Ice Cube makes a special appearance.
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