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13:37Ocho:That's my point. Right, right. And so, you know, normally with the guys the face of the NBA, Hey, you got to be the good one guy. Yeah. On your team, yeah. So it's going to be very interesting in the next. I think, look, we do all this talking all we want to. Until 23 for the Lakers League, he's still it. You think so? Still? He's still it. He's still it. Right. You look at his social media. You look at his engagement. You look at who moves the needle. Right. It ain't no question. No question.

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19:46Ocho:The Knicks snapped the Spurs 11-game winning streak with a blowout, 114-89. Mikael Bridges had 25. Jalen Brunson had 24. The Spurs couldn't overcome 22 turnovers that led to 24 points, and they were out-rebounded 54-41, something that they're really not because of Wimby. Wimby played well, but they went on a run. I think the Knicks went on a run, outscored them 22-0, and they could never get back in the game after that. They never could. But they played, look, you got Mikael Bridges and Alvarado. he comes in the game and he's a smart plug and you knew he would be that type of guy that the Knicks crowd would love because he plays with a lot of energy they like that, a lot of hustle a lot of grit, he's going to make a big shot, he's going to get you a couple of turnovers he's going to get the crowd energized, I'm not surprised that the Knicks love him as much as they love him which I'm trying to pull up this no, I don't want this game

20:56Ocho:scores here.

21:01Ocho:Where is that? Oh, there it is. Yeah. Champagny, three points. Wemby was 25 and 13. But they shot terrible from the three. Nine of 34, 24, 20, what's that, 26%, 42 % from the floor. And the mere fact that they only had 89 points, less you know. But OG had 12. Cat had 12. Josh Hart almost had a triple-double. He had 10. Mikael Bridges had 25. Brunson had 24.

21:40Ocho:Diwari had 14. But they got overall contributions. And look. From everybody? Yes, they did. And you know the Knicks want to play. They got Mikael Bridges, who's a wing defender. They got Josh Hart who can defend. They got OG can defend. Right. Mitchell Robinson comes in and he can bang and he can defend. But they do a great job. They do a great job of creating chaos and turning turnovers into points. And that was really the difference in the ball game. They just kept turning the Spurs over. The Spurs couldn't protect the ball. And they're going to have to do a better job of that. Look, they had won 11 games, had been playing really, really well.

22:15Ocho:And to play at the level, I don't think they were going to go undefeated heading into the postseason. but I think the coach is pleased with the way they played thus far. But today was just one of those games, a nationally televised game. It's an early game. They don't normally play that early, Ocho, but give those guys credit. The Knicks played an unbelievable game today, and they got the win in blowout fashion.

22:38Unc:The Knicks needed this too, aren't they? They haven't been playing too well, especially as a group collectively. The way they play today is how they can play it. They can find some type of balance, not too high, not too low, but find an even-keeled way to play collectively as a group the way they did today, they can make some hay and make some noise similar to what they did last year. I know I've been watching Stephen A. He's been upset with the Knicks the past few games and what they've displayed out there as far as the product is on the court. But, I mean, shockingly to me, you know, knowing that the Spurs were playing the Knicks, I thought obviously the Spurs would run away with this game and the Knicks look completely different, you know, a completely different team watching them play today.

23:22Ocho:Well, they swore on Wimby. Wimby has seven turnovers by himself of those 22. You can't turn the ball over like that because now you create, you get runouts, things of that nature. And like I said, the Knicks can cause you that type of problem if you turn the ball over because they got really good defenders. OG can defend at a high level. We know Mikael Bridges can. We know Josh Hart can. So they got guys that can clamp the ball and keep the ball in front of them. And so when Mitchell Robinson comes in, obviously Cat is seven foot and he'll block a shot here or there, but that's not what Cat is known for.

23:56Ocho:He's known for being a perimeter big that can shoot the ball extremely well. We know Brunson is Brunson. He's going to get you buckets. He's going to make clutch shots. He's as clutch as any player that we have in this league, so we know what he represents. It's that when they play defense like this, they force you into turnovers and they make you shoot 26 % from the three. you're not going to beat them. And they've made 17 threes, you made nine. So now they're plus 24 from the three-point line. So if somebody's plus 24 from the three-point line and they force you into 22 turnovers, this is probably what's going to be the outcome of the game.

24:34Ocho:You're probably going to get blown out. It's really that simple. And so give the Knicks credit. I mean, I'm sure Stephen A is happy about this. Happy, but not satisfied. Right. because he knows they got an uphill struggle because Boston has played well. Boston is playing extremely well. Toronto's putting that thing together. Toronto's better than people think. I watched them the other night. You know, Scotty Barnes and B.I., those guys are playing. R.J. Barrett, they got some scorers over there. They're playing really well. Yaka Portal, they're better than you think. Now, do I think they can beat the Knicks in the seven?

25:16Ocho:Nah, I don't. I don't think, you know, when it's all said and done, it's probably going to be Boston and probably the Knicks. Looking at how everything is kind of like shaping up Ocho, look like it's going to be Boston and the Knicks. If I had to bet anything, I like Philly, but I just don't know if Embiid's going to be healthy enough. Tyrese Max is going to be Tyrese Max. Edgecombe is going to do Edgecombe things. they probably, you know, I don't know if and when PG is coming back, but if I had, if you're like, okay, Shannon, who do you think is going to be in the Eastern Conference Finals? I'd probably say Boston and the Knicks.

25:58Ocho:And that's an old rivalry. When it happened last year, I don't know if we'll ever get those 80s rivalries like it once was. But we'll see. The Knicks played well today, and they needed this ball game. They definitely needed this ball game more than the Spurs. The Spartans needed it to try to keep place with OKC. Because the thing is, like, all things being equal, like, I think they probably need the home court more than OKC because the type of ball, the OKC play, it does travel. They got a lot of wings. They got five, six guys that can defend at an elite level. Shea, you already know, pilses Shea in for 30.

26:34Ocho:He just pilses him in for 30. You know, he's going to get the, yeah. And so now you get a couple of those other guys that come along with him. You get Chet, you get J-Dub, you get Wallace, You get some of those other guys. Isaiah Joe, you get some of those other. And Caruso, he always shows up in big games. He's going to make the right play. He's going to create chaos. He's going to create turnovers. He's going to knock down a big three. He's going to get a big steal. He knows what these moments mean. Having played on that Lakers championship team, and before that, and last year, he was a big reason why they won the championship last year.

27:05Ocho:Some guys just understand the moment, and they can rise to the occasion in said moment. And Caruso is definitely one of those guys. So the Spurs, look, 11 straight games, Ocho, to get back in this thing. And they're the team that gives OKC the most trouble. But you never know in a seven-game series, you never know an injury here or injury there. And it completely flips the series.

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33:31Ocho:Former Laker Byron Scott wants LeBron James off the team. Scott said, I think he should be his last year here. He don't have to go home, but you got to get the hell out of here. Ocho, are you surprised to see Byron Scott publicly calling for LeBron's departure?

33:46Unc:That wasn't AI? Byron Scott really said that?

33:50Ocho:You heard me on? Byron Scott really said that publicly? That's what he said, yeah. You go on this podcast.

33:57Unc:I mean, that's crazy. And obviously, maybe, maybe, I doubt that Byron Scott would really feel that way. Or maybe he actually does because LeBron is not the same LeBron of old. but saying that he needs to leave L.A. and Luka just be the only person there that is somewhat consistently outside of Austin Reeves makes no damn sense. So why is LeBron being the one that's being called out from Byron Scott when all the other issues that even Ray Charles can see that they have going on with the Lakers right now?

34:26Ocho:I don't know. I think the thing is, and I don't know when this started happening that guys from an organization great guys from an organization would all of a sudden call out guys that's currently within the organization and maybe this is a Kobe thing LeBron was never really accepted even though he really revitalized the Lakers organization I don't care what anybody says and I think the fans understand they know that they know what the what what the Lakers were Kobe last three years and when Kobe left they know what the Lakers were I don't know what what is this right what what are we talking about if lebron doesn't come the lakers are not selling for a billion dollars right you're not you're not going to be able to get luca because you don't get ad ad is not coming to la it's just i i don't i don't know what lebron did to piss so many great players off yeah oh he no he didn't no he didn't i get it oh cho and a lot of times we we talk about this on the show all the time, Mocho.

35:32Ocho:These guys currently in the NFL get privileges in things we didn't get. But I don't begrudge them because we got things in the 90s and 2000s that guys in the 70s and 80s didn't get. And they got things in the 70s and 80s that guys in the 50s and 60s didn't get. It's this thing called evolution. The game grows, the game evolves, and people get more things. It's okay. But this notion that LeBron James is the only one that's ever had power within an organization. Do y 'all realize that a man won a championship and Magic had a falling out and he says, this is either him or me? And Dr. Buzz fired the coach that won an NBA title.

36:14Ocho:Yeah. That happened. Landberg did the same thing. It happens. But for some reason, anything that goes wrong, that is the reason why. That's what free agency was meant to do. So you need to tell me you want free agency and then want guys to stay. If that was the case, what was free agency for? What was free agency for, Ocho, if guys are not going to move around?

36:37Unc:Yeah.

36:39Ocho:I get it. Team will trade a player like it's nothing. Don't perform in what they do. Even if you do perform, if they think they can get better, they'll move you. But now players say, you know what? I think it's going about as far as it can.

36:53Unc:Yeah, I can't carry them all. Yeah.

36:56Ocho:But LeBron, there have been a lot of guys that's moved, but nobody has caught the criticism. And LeBron James has never asked for a trade. Every time LeBron James has moved, Ocho, he's played his contract out. He played his contract out in Cleveland. He went to Miami. He played that four years out. He went back to Cleveland. He played that four years out, and he headed to L.A. I just don't get it. I don't know. I've never heard so many great players, championship-winning players, take shots at LeBron.

37:31Unc:You have to understand, it comes with the territory. He sits at the top of the mountain. He's the great one. He's the chosen one. He's the one with the moniker, the king. So what do they do? Regardless of his accomplishments, regardless of his accolades, they argue the Jordan LeBron debate, which is about the greatest basketball player of all time. So what happens when you're the greatest at what you do, regardless of what you've done, even those that have played your sport, they're going to have something to say, whether it's good or bad, because what you've done is not enough to them. Despite what we may think on the outside, despite what you may think and understanding how great LeBron is and what he's done for organizations to date.

38:11Unc:Again, he moves the needle. So what's one way to move the needle on a platform we want eyes and viewers to listen? You talk about the one all the way at the top. Yeah.

38:22Ocho:But I think LeBron is smart enough to know Ocho. He knows there was nothing he could do to topple Kobe. That's not what he just because I be just because I'm trying to achieve something. That doesn't mean I'm trying to take his statue down. Why can't we both be great? I think he understands that in Miami, it's Wade County. He understood that. Do I believe in Dwayne Wade knows that LeBron is a better player? Yes. But if you might ask Miami Heat fans, they'll say D-Wade. Right. So he knew no matter what he did, he could not win enough championships to overcome Kobe, Magic, Kareem, and Shaq. That wasn't going to happen.

39:04Ocho:No. And I don't think he was that naive to say, man, you know what? And I don't think he went in with that mindset. He didn't go in with that mindset. Kobe came there as a 17-year-old kid and left as a fully grown, married father of three, four kids. Yeah. Rest his soul, and Gigi. That's what he did there. And that's okay. Same thing with Magic. Magic came there and never left. Magic was a 20-year-old. Now, mostly the other great players, I mean, obviously Shaq spent four years, if I'm not mistaken, in Orlando. Kareem spent, I think, six years in Milwaukee. But, you know, you look at James Worthy, you look at Jerry West a lot, you know, and Elgin Baylor.

39:58Ocho:Those guys, you know, spent their careers there. But I just, I don't know what LeBron did to piss off so many people. Hey, a lot of them. Ocho. Yeah. I believe I can like Travis Kelsey without constantly taking shots at Gronk. Constantly taking shots at Gates or Gonzalez. I believe I can do that. But it's almost like I wonder if he was anywhere else other than the Lakers. with Byron. And I love B. Scott. I used to see B. Scott all the time in the gym. We used to see the gym, Equinox. And I used to see B. Scott all the time. We always talk hoop and he's a great guy. But I wonder if LeBron wasn't on the Lakers, would he still feel it's time for LeBron to leave?

40:48Unc:No, absolutely not. Because, I mean, his love for the Lakers, it'd be different because it's not on my team. It's not a team that I was a part of. talking about the Lakers

40:56Ocho:when Kobe hit Kobe last years. Did you hear anything about the Lakers? You know damn well nobody would dare say that, huh? No, but I ain't talking about talking about Kobe to leave, but he wasn't even mentioning the Lakers. The Lakers ain't have no chance. Ain't nobody talking about Lakers and a chance to contend for a title. Nobody mentioned that. And then when Kobe left, ain't nobody mentioned the Lakers that contend for a title. Right. The mere fact that you even think it's possible for a team with a 41-year-old to get to the championship lets you know just how great this man is. Tell me the time in history.

41:31Ocho:Another 40-something-year-old has played, and you know what? They have a chance to get to the championship, or they have a chance to contend for a title.

41:39Unc:Outside of time, leaving New England to goddamn— I'm doing NBA. Okay, not— Not Jordan, not Kobe. No.

41:47Ocho:Mm-mm. His longevity is— Yes! It's different. But look, he got his reason for whatever it is. I don't know. I don't know, so I don't want to get into speculating. There was something to say. I don't know. And I know B. Scott loved his Lakers. And if you played in this organization, most especially, he spent most of his years there. Yeah. But B. Scott, you know now, you know that there was a transition that when Kobe won the championship in 9 and 10, they didn't come close. They didn't come close. And nobody said a thing. Ain't nobody said. So 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. So eight years. Nine years.

42:35Ocho:Ain't no, like if they come close.

42:37Unc:Yeah.

42:39Ocho:Mm-mm. And y 'all had COVID. So you had COVID 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 15, 15.

42:49Unc:Hey, but they ain't had nothing to go with him, though.

42:52Ocho:It was the main course with no side. Oh, well, you don't need nothing. Because when LeBron didn't have nothing to go with him, y 'all would say if he was great, he would win. That's what y 'all did with LeBron now. They did this with LeBron. You never did that with anybody else. Yeah. You didn't do that with, like, you see what you said? You see what you said on show? They done got you convinced of that.

43:11Unc:Oh, no, I'm just being honest. I'm just being honest. I mean, Kobe's the main dish. There was no size to go with it. There wasn't no dessert. So the chance of winning was slim to none.

43:20Ocho:I thought you were so great. That's what you do. You don't need nobody. Who needed teammates? That's what y 'all tell me. Because every time I turn around, he couldn't win a championship without D-Wade. He couldn't win a championship without Kyrie. He couldn't win a championship without Anthony Davis. And you just told me Kobe ain't have nobody to go with him. Last I checked, Shaq's in the Hall of Fame. Last I checked, Pau Gasol is in the Hall of Fame. Last I checked, Scottie Pippen's in the Hall of Fame. Dennis Rodman's in the Hall of Fame. So in other words, what you're trying to tell me is that no matter how great you are, you need a teammate or two.

43:56Ocho:Yeah, absolutely. Oh, okay. I'm just checking. I'm just, you know, just clarification.

44:00Unc:You got to have a two-headed monster. If you got three, it'd make it that much easier if you got three.

44:07Ocho:Yes.

44:08Unc:But thinking you're going to get it done with one man, you got four, you know, just four partners out there just going through the motion.

44:13Ocho:It's not happening. Duncan. It's definitely not happening. Duncan had Manu, had Manu and Tony Parker. And then the last one, he had Kawhi.

44:21Unc:Mm-hmm. Hey, boy, Kawhi was crazy with the Spurs, boy.

44:26Ocho:Oh, after Timmy left? What? After Timmy left, yeah. My goodness. He knew he had to take more of a role. He had to take a, you know, he was perfectly playing the backseat, you know. Hey, I let all, hey, let Manu, let TP, let Timmy. Pop said, nah, bro. It's time for you. He's like, okay. I'll give you 25, 26 a night and lock it down on the other end. But I'm surprised. I think the thing that's surprising is that people say, look, people might feel a certain way and might say things in private, Ocho, that never get public air. But to say this publicly, I'm a little surprised. You know what? And you know what we don't know also?

45:12Unc:What? There might be things that go on behind closed doors. There might be things that are said that going behind closed doors that we don't know about that also makes Byron Scott say something like this publicly that has nothing to do with with anything that we know.

45:25Ocho:OK, Scott also seemed to take issue with LeBron saying today's game is harder to play than in the 80s and 90s. The game is different. I want people and our fans to understand that playing 82 games in the 80s and 90s is not the same as playing 82 games in the 2020s. it's just not the way we play the level of pace, the level of speed in which we play it's a different game now it's a totally different game, it is it is

45:52when

45:53Ocho:B Scott played in the 80s and the 90s, they might have had two guys per team that can shoot the three yeah now on a 12 man roster they got 10 guys that can shoot the three, and you have to guard them all bless you everybody is a viable option. There wasn't no such thing as no stretch five, no stretch four. Right. They have that now. The pace is increased. Yeah. Thank you. The pace has increased. And you have to guard multiple. For the most part, again, evolution. Guys are more skilled. The guys are skilled. Yeah. Much better. You ain't have no Kevin Durant. You ain't have no damn Wimby's. You didn't have that.

46:43Ocho:You damn sure didn't have no self-courage. Bless you. It's okay. It's okay. It's a different game now. The NBA is different. The NFL is different. It is. I mean, the game has become, the guys are doing, Ocho, guys are doing more exotic coverages now than when you and I played. It's okay to say that. That's not to diminish our error. That's not to enhance their error. It's just facts. You know more. The scouting departments have gotten better. You think scouting now, you think when they started scouting players with Cleveland Browns, when they first started, the thing is that Paul Brown reported that Paul Brown, the reason why they timed the 40, Ocho, because that's how far the punt went.

47:43Ocho:So how fast could somebody get down there to get him? The ball normally hung up there by 4.5 seconds. Right. Hmm, 4.5 seconds, you can run like that because you're running pretty good. So then the guys, Dallas Cowboys and Gil Brandt took it a step further because, Ocho, you know they used to draft players and never work them out. They just look at the scouting thing, look at them in college. Well, you know what I'm going to play, son? Come on. We're going to draft you first. We're going to draft you the second round. We're going to draft you the 15th round, the 17th round. Then the Cowboys take it a step further.

48:18Ocho:Gilbrandt, Tex Tramp, they're actually a brain player. They put them through everything. Hence, a combine-style workout. Right. So you think the way they started scouting players in the 60s is the same way they scout players now? No, absolutely. They got these scouts on the road every day on weekend, Ocho. Every week. they find somewhere looking at players. They didn't do that in the 60s. As a matter of fact, they didn't even have a combine. They just drafted a guy based on what his college numbers were, how he looked at college, and they drafted him. So things change, people, and it's okay. It is okay.

48:54Ocho:That doesn't mean, that doesn't take away anything from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, and so forth and on. It's just, that's just the way it is. It is. It happens. technology changes Ocho look at the cleats look at the helmets look at the basketball shoe look at the way they train horses they've changed I don't know why people can't see that evolution is going to happen with your blessing or without it or not yeah

49:26Unc:or they don't care one or the other they complain about it anyway everything gets better over time

49:35Ocho:Tonight, LeBron moved into fifth place on the Lakers' all-time assist list, surpassing Michael Cooper. Magic is one. Kobe is two. Jerry West is three. Storm and Norman Nixon is four. LeBron is five. Koop is six. Kareem is seven. Elgin Baylor is eight. Excuse me. This is LeBron's eighth season with the Lakers. Obviously, we know Kobe spent 20 years there. Magic, I think, from 79. I think Magic played about 12 years. Coop played. We know Kareem played, I think, 13, 14 years there.

50:19And I saw LeBron is the second Laker to make 1 ,000 threes,

50:26Ocho:only behind Kobe. And obviously, you would know Kobe played 20 seasons with that organization. and was great. And LeBron is already second. Obviously, they shoot more threes now than they did back when Kobe got into the league. Ocho, how do you think LeBron would be remembered as a Laker? You think he gets his jersey retired? You think he gets a statue out front? You know what?

50:55Unc:I don't think he gets a statue out front, but I think he gets his jersey retired. I mean, what he was able to do once he came to the Lakers and helping that franchise obviously win a ring, a ring that a lot of people put an asterisk behind because it was a bubble ring or whatever it may be. Because LeBron won it.

51:12Ocho:If somebody else won it, they wouldn't put no bubble behind it. They wouldn't put no asterisk behind it.

51:15Unc:Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But people have to understand and take whatever hate they may have for LeBron and understand what he was able to do during his time, during his tenure with the Lakers, with what he had to work with. Outside of that, I mean, being one of the greatest, arguably the greatest, the one or two basketball players to ever play this game, I think he should be acknowledged in such a fashion, in such a way, based on that alone, whether he gets the statue or not. But retiring a 23 jersey for the Lakers, it would only be right. And not to do so, it'd be ridiculous. It'd be damn egregious.

51:51Ocho:I mean, imagine, Ocho. Just think about this. I want you to picture this. Tom Brady is one of the three greatest high school football players ever. Yes. He goes to college and he's one of the three greatest college football players ever. And the next big thing, and he comes to the NFL, and even as a great high school player and a great collegiate player, he's even better in the NFL. well that's what LeBron James was yes he was one of the three great in uh high school players ever and whatever you may have thought he could have been he superseded that he exceeded it completely he's he's exceeding exponentially nobody thought this man would be a four-time league MVP Go to 10 NBA Finals, win four of them, four Finals MVPs, win two three All-Star Game MVPs.

52:52Ocho:He's the all-time lean scorer. He's the fourth leading assistor. He's a top 30 rebounder. He's a top 15 or 10 assist guy. I mean, a steals guy. Nobody thought that. Whatever you thought LeBron James could be based on what he was in high school, and they've been a lot of great high school players. Right. LeBron is – Ocho and his name hadn't come up on any crime blotter. He hadn't been a source of tabloid speculation. He's been squeaky, squeaky clean.

53:24Unc:Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

53:27Ocho:And still people find fault. Well, he flops. All great players hunt calls. They do. Just like every time the quarterback gets hit, what does he do, Ocho? Look to the – you ain't going to throw no flag?

53:41Unc:Yeah, something.

53:42Ocho:I just saw that man hit me. I know he's playing football, but he wasn't supposed to hit me. He wasn't supposed to hit me, hit me. You know, he's supposed to lay me down. You know, I ain't got no pillow. Hey, you got to go to the sideline and get him a pillow so he can throw me on the pillow.

53:54Unc:People always complain. It just depends on who's doing the flopping. It always depends on who's doing the hunting. Then they turn a blind eye. Depends on who it is.

54:02Ocho:That's all it is. True. I agree with you, though. I don't think he gets a statue, but I do think they, based on what he's done, the All-Star Games. So he's been the eighth All-Star. He's been what?

54:20Ocho:He's going to be a seven-time All-NBA selection. So if you cut his career up in sevens or if you cut it up in eights, he's a Hall of Fame player every eight. Every eight, he's a Hall of Famer.

54:38Unc:That's crazy.

54:40Ocho:And I know they're going to miss him when he's gone let them tell it

54:46Unc:the game will continue to go on

54:48Ocho:it's going to go on

54:50Unc:but it won't be anything like that we won't see anything like this for a very long time

54:54Ocho:if ever again no no no a guy that played this long and to play back great this long it was a big night for the unrivaled semifinals. KP, Kelsey Palm, hit a game winner to go to the championship. She finished with 31 points, six rebounds, five assists. And then Arike Ogumbawale also hit the game winner. Fans started chanting, play the players, play the players. Let's take a listen to this, guys.

55:30Let's take a listen to this, guys.

55:43Ocho:KP KP was she was the women's all-time leading scorer at one point in time until Caitlin Clark broke her record she's the number one draft pick so KP can get it KP got boogied KP a handsy on you and she quick to try to get to the rear with that left hand and hey go all the way up underneath or hey she'll go up with the right hand Arike Ngumboale she been making shots like this go back and check out at Notre Dame when she hit that buzzer beater this is what Arike do This is what Reek does. Yeah, yeah. This is her. I'm not surprised when they say, oh, man, Reek hit a game. And tell me something I didn't know, that Jeff Bezos sold bean pies at a truck start when he was a kid.

56:22Ocho:That's something that I didn't know. But you're going to tell me Reek can't hit a game with him? Okay, and? Right, right. Hey, look, the Unrival is doing a great job down there in Florida. I love watching those girls come out and compete on a night-to-night basis. I love what they did with the 1v1 setting. But, Unk, you're right. KP, she the real McCoy, man. That girl got some game. And she tough as nails, too, bro. Tough as a wet level. Ooh. Tough as I don't know what. She be out there getting to it. Oh, Joe, I'm talking about them girls. Hey, look, do you see the crowd? It's sold out up in there.

56:58Ocho:Yes. So they talking to the WNBA when they say pay the players. Yes. I think the Unrival is doing a pretty good job in hosting the girls, obviously. Barclays was packed. Joe, think about this, Joe. The sad part is this is happening in Unrival, not the WNBA. Yeah. Imagine, Joe, we getting plays like this and the players, it's not the NBA. Yeah. This is what you should be having in your league. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is what should happen. Absolutely. I don't want to get into the minutia because I don't know enough on either side. All I know is that I hope they don't mess this opportunity up because the women's game was starting to grow.

57:49Ocho:And whoever was in charge for it, I don't care. I don't care who wants to get the credit, who takes the credit. All I know is that there was a level of interest in the women's game that wasn't there before. and people started talking about it. We were talking about it. We were talking about it on ESPN and we were talking about it on here. And so people started to talk. So I don't care who wants to get the credit or who deserves the credit. I just want the women, I want the game to grow and everybody to be happy. Me too. Hey, so Caitlin Clark, she's not playing in this, right? No, she doesn't play in no rival.

58:22Ocho:For what? She does six, seven million off the court. Why does she need to play? These women, there are only a handful of women that's making bucks. Asia makes money off the court. Sabrina Onescu off the court. Caitlin Clark is the Moby Dick. Yeah. Is the white whale. He makes money off the court. But all these other women, and to keep from going overseas and being held, being captain, they're like, okay, let's start this. And they're doing a great job. Hopefully the women now all of a sudden can make$750, a million dollars a year, as opposed to women taking pay cuts, especially with NIL. Kaelin Clark took a pay cut.

59:01Ocho:Oh, yeah. Yeah, they definitely - 70 ,000? Yeah. They definitely all going to be making some ends in the next some odd years. Good. Hey, look. Good. And it's going to get better because if you can get those big guns to join, like the Unrivaled, I don't know if they would, but if you can get those big guns to join, it'll take it to a whole other level. You know what I mean? Like, you got to look at girls like Juju Watkins who will be coming into the WNBA or playing in the Unrival maybe next year. Oh, Juju playing. Yeah, she's not playing a junior year. She's going to be the first player selected.

59:38Ocho:Oh, yeah. And them ladies that can go one-on-one, Paige Beckers. Yeah. Chelsea Gray. Yeah. KP. Yeah. Although, Juju. Yeah. Kaitlin would love to see Kaitlin play, but I don't think she's going to play. Asia has other interests going on outside of that. So I don't think Asia is going to play. But it was an unbelievable scene tonight. It was an unbelievable setting. I mean, I hated to see KP leave Vegas. But, I mean, she was the third option. Yeah. Yeah. She was the third option. Everything's going to run through Asia. Everybody understand that. We talked about the greatest. Well, if she's not the greatest, she's top two.

1:00:22Ocho:And she ain't two to me. But anyway, that's nothing there. But with that being said, she understood. You got Chelsea. You got Jackie Young. She's like, you know what? I want to do my own thing. I want to start my own thing. And more power to her because she played unbelievable. I love her game. Like you said, Joe, she's extremely tough. She's passionate about the game. They play. They're pure. They be, hey. I mean, I can't say enough about them. I love watching them play. Rike, she's phenomenal. Hey, y 'all do know Chelsea Gray, when she won a one-on-one tournament, she got 200 grand. That was more than her salary.

1:00:57Ocho:For the WNBA. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I know. And so, you know, she won the MVP. She can play. But like I said, so many of these women, especially now, and it happens. When the NFL started, guys making, you know,$100 a game, Ocho, and each year generation. And hopefully guys look back, because I'm very thankful of the guys that were in the 70s and 80s, 60s, 70s, 80s, that gave me an opportunity so I can make the money that they didn't make. And the guys that came after us that's making the money that we couldn't make. So hopefully guys are appreciative and know that there are a lot of sacrifice. There are a lot of guys that got injuries and down on their luck that didn't make it.

1:01:44Ocho:Well, you should have saved them. Saved what? You weren't making no money back then. Hey, you making$12 ,000 a year? they had a lot of money right Chelsea Gray was named 2026 Unrival League MVP in her second season with the Rose they got put out by Paige Becker's team I think Paige Becker's team yeah I think that's who beat them in her second season with the Rose BC she averaged 24.2 career high 5.6 rebounds career high 6.1 assist career high. Four game winners. You know why I think it's so fun to watch? Because it's three on three, full court. It's not a traditional full court. Obviously, the floor has shrunk a little bit.

1:02:40Ocho:But that's fun to see the change of pace, the three on three. There's not a lot of help in situations like that. You really got to guard your yard, guard your man, hold your own. That's what I love about it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, they can play. A game like this is tailor-made for, like, Chelsea, who can handle the ball, Pat the Rock, you got the game one-on-one is good. Kelsey Plum, one-on-one. Paige Beckers, one-on-one. Absolutely. Reek, women that can handle the rock, one-on-one is always going to be their thing. Absolutely. If you can get by your man, you can get a bucket, you can create off the dribble, can't nobody stay in front of you this is your this is what you do you can't stop it oh man them girls night oh Joe we found the video let's check it out Joe let me see what he got going

1:03:39Ocho:ain't no sound I don't know what you got your pants off bro looking like Jackie's doing a curtain I had to get the pants off bro ooh Woo hoo, woo.

1:03:53Woo hoo.

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1:04:14Unc:Little incline on there. and the funny thing about it too is I could do it assisted but if I had to do it on my own like free will I'd never run that fast

1:04:27Ocho:no no no that's old speed training yeah cause we do that we did on the treadmill and we also did it with a band that would pull you yeah because pulling you along oh pulling you along

1:04:44Unc:I thought you meant someone pulling you back

1:04:45Ocho:Yes, yes, yes. And then they release it, and then you run it on your own. Yeah. So it gets you used to running at that speed. Because like you said, you're not just running that on your own. Hell no. So I can just imagine, because they say Usain Bolt could get up to 27. So if he can run 27 on his own, he'd probably go crack 30, 31 on that trail. Easy. Damn. Body though. Hey, man, when you run like that, it keeps your hips open, right? Yeah. Well, the thing is, it gets you used because you can't stride now. Hey, Joe, you got to turn over. You got to turn over. You got to stay with the treadmill.

1:05:28Unc:If you don't stay with the treadmill, your ass going to fly the fuck off. Boom.

1:05:33Ocho:Yep, that's exactly what's going to happen. So you get guys, and so it's teaching you to turn over. Damn. Ocho, you was moving, Ocho. You was moving.

1:05:44Unc:The funny thing about it is the place, that was the place where I'm at now. I'm back on the treadmill again, but I ain't got nowhere near no 24.

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