Best of NBA News Part 2: Brad Stevens REVEALS Jaylen Brown trade decision + Terry Rozier DENIED BAIL + LeBron to Sixers "VERY SERIOUS" + Ben Wallace with some 2016 Cavs SHADE

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21:43Chad Johnson:Get your money, man.

21:49Shannon Sharpe:All right, guys, check this out. I don't know if I've ever heard somebody talk more after they traded a player than what the Celtics are doing about JB, Jalen Brown, but let's take a listen. Celtic GM Brad Stephenson spoke about the decision to trade Jalen Brown. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. I've lost sleep over the fan part of this. I get it. There's a bunch of seven jerseys around. I'm pretty sure I bought a couple. so um i get it and the unbelievable way we've played in the regular season in the last couple years you know the path looked a little bit more challenging to me i might be wrong i'm not going to stand up here and be defensive about that but the path looked a little bit more challenging with 70 of our cap and such a high percent of our usage tied into two players and the reality in this era and in this day and age of the NBA, and you could see it obviously with the last couple of champions and some of the teams that were at the very top of the league when it was all said and done at the end of this year is that, you know, you have to do a great job and you have to have the optionality to do a great job of building out depth that can hopefully replace the irreplaceable individual.

23:11Shannon Sharpe:so let me get this right i'm gonna make sure for context he said one of the reasons many and it this could be the only reason but i think there are a lot of two things three things four things could be true he said one of the reasons that he didn't want to have guys with high usage rate two guys with high usage rate and taking up 70 of the cap now mind you you were trying to trade for Giannis who wanted 35 % of your cap which would have been two guys again having half the cap and another guy that has an extremely high usage rate it might be higher than both JB and JTs so you were looking to bring him on and that wasn't going to be no issue the issue seems to be Giannis wanted three years you seem to be only going to two but the mere fact you was willing to bring somebody on to eat up 30 % of your cap.

24:06Shannon Sharpe:So now you're back to 70 % to guys and somebody with a high usage rate. I'm not so sure. Chad, I didn't look at this and I apologize. But as look this up, let's see where Yanni's usage rates is compared to JB and JT.

24:21Chad Johnson:It's probably higher.

24:22Shannon Sharpe:I'm confused, Joe.

24:24Chad Johnson:It's for sure. Higher. His usage rate is for sure. Higher. Look, man. I think we all figured that they didn't want to pay two guys the bulk of the money and you wanted to have some flexibility and options to where you could build out your team and I just think I thought JB made it easier for him I think they've been wanting to get rid of him and the timing I'm not even saying the timing was right considering really what you got but you knew you had to get off of him considering the fact that he about to get ready to come up on another contract Yeah. You was going to have to pay. You're right. If they had got Giannis, hell, you was going to have to pay him too.

25:01Chad Johnson:You still were going to be paying two guys because he wasn't going to take no damn haircut. And that's basically what Brad Stevenson said. You know, basically, hell, we hope, you know, that some guys take haircuts, you know, to where you can build out a roster to where you can have depth and you can have a championship caliber team. I hope we find a Jalen Brunson. Uh-uh. Absolutely not. Hey. They need to wrap this up now. What do you mean? There's nothing else to talk about. There should be no more Jalen Brown conversation. No, no, no. Well, Ocho, he had to get on. He had to respond because there's a lot of questions about this trade.

25:46Chad Johnson:I understand that part, but I don't want to be a continuing dialogue that's going to carry all goddamn year long. every well if you hey hey hey if you gonna hey if you gonna keep it real keep it 100 then go and get it out the way and say what you really feel hey you gonna have to keep building up on top of these different you know hey come on now yeah yeah I wish we had GMs or owners that weren't PC and they just said it like it is they say the things they say behind closed doors just say them publicly when there's a camera in your face they not gonna that's never gonna happen They're not going to have nobody.

26:23Shannon Sharpe:This year, Luka was number one at usage at 38%. And then JB, and then Kawhi, Shea, Bronson, Donovan Mitchell, Victor Wimby-Yama, James Harden, Stephon Castle, De 'Aaron Fox. Damn. Hold up. JB second on the list? Oh, second. This year? Now, mind you, Giannis only played 36 games. Okay. But hell, for JB to be second, that's high. very and Tatum only played what 19 games yeah yeah so let's go back uh let's go back uh

27:01Chad Johnson:so when you know what that really mean though Ocho you know JB ain't taking no damn back seat to nobody when we start the season okay I was just an MVP I was just in the MVP running yeah hear me six or seven to MVP right so I'm trying to build on what I've already you know started you feel me? Hold on, hold on, hold on now hold on I'm sensing there going to be a little conflict now, correct me I could have swore the Sixers gave Tyrese Maxey the keys now, now, you talking about I'm saying if he was back in Boston, but I understand what you're saying him being in Philly, no, no, no, listen check me out, with him being in Philly I'm not saying he got to take a backseat because I think his leadership on the defense Defensive end is going to outweigh all that.

27:52Chad Johnson:You know what I mean? Because he's going to take the challenge every game to guard probably the best player and to go out and give him hell on offense too. So I think he's in a great situation in Philly, bro. I mean, how many games you think Embiid going to play for real? Keep it 100. That's not nice, Unc. You know, listen, maybe Jalen Brown going there might motivate him a little bit to do some different things this offseason. So listen, I want to make sure I'm available for my team. I want to give the Philadelphia Sixers, not just my team, but the fans suddenly never seen a different side of me, a different version of me.

28:23Chad Johnson:Hold on, hold on. I just told you the other day, I said, if I'm Bruin, I'm on the phone, A and B. Hey, what you got going? Yeah, look, check this out. I got a few teams.

28:34Shannon Sharpe:They say he's listening and taking the Sixers' sales pitch very, very seriously. Yeah. I don't know if that's true or not. But I was just, what you looking at, I'm looking at 24, 25, when everybody was healthy in the regular season. Giannis was the top in usage, a tick under 35%. Guess who number five was? Who? Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown was all the way down at 16. So we're not surprised that Jalen Brown went up because JT went out.

29:08Chad Johnson:Right, right. That's only natural. Yeah.

29:10Shannon Sharpe:So in other words, he sacrificed a guy that when he was on the same team as Jason Tatum. He was number 18, number 16 in usage. And the guy he wanted to replace him with was number one. So usage really ain't really have a whole lot to do with it. Because if you would have gave that third year, Giannis would have signed off and you'd have had a guy that the year before had the highest usage rate in all the NBA. Because bringing him on a team with a guy that had the fifth highest usage rate in all the NBA.

29:45Chad Johnson:Yeah, this was his second option, fellas. You know, hey, this wasn't his first go-around. This was his second one.

29:55Shannon Sharpe:No, I don't think so, Ash. Ash, if you think I'm looking at it.

30:03Shannon Sharpe:Well, this, hold on. This got 2425, the highest usage rate, 2425 at 34.9.

30:13Shannon Sharpe:and SGA was, he played 60.

30:29Shannon Sharpe:But was this, hold on. Was this 24, 25? No. Giannis didn't play enough. He qualified, did he? he qualified with 36 games i went back i went back 24 25 okay so as so as that and so this year Giannis uh Luca was one Giannis was two Jalen Brown was three but we understand why Jalen Brown is so high because Jason Tatum has been removed you would expect a guy that was 16 one year and the guy that was five you take the guy that's five off that's how JB's numbers went up he had the ball more in his hand

31:15Chad Johnson:yeah yeah I mean that was

31:17Shannon Sharpe:expected though that was expected so if he'd have kept that same usage rate you think y 'all would have gotten number two seed y 'all might not even made the playoffs right

31:28Chad Johnson:absolutely right

31:32Shannon Sharpe:look I think there are a lot I think there are a lot of moving parts and nobody's gonna ever say the real reason. I think it was some of JB's outspokenness. JB felt they never gave him the credit that he deserved, and he said it. I used that to motivate me. It was the contract, three years, and now he's due, excuse me, now he's due another extension? Man, I'm, I ain't no sense in me lying. I'm not finna do it.

31:59Chad Johnson:The Celtics weren't gonna do it. Hold on, but if you, if Philly gonna give him a new contract? They'll have to do something, Joe. If you traded for him, you got to. You got to give him. You got to. Because the last thing I want, bro, I gave up two first round.

32:14Shannon Sharpe:I gave up two unprotected first round picks.

32:16Chad Johnson:Yeah. I got to. But JB going to give you good money over the next, you know, three to six years. He going to be.

32:25Shannon Sharpe:I don't know what he going to give you. But you got to give him that money. Because what you gave up to get him. You got to. You got to. That means somebody got to go with that, huh? Well, look, Embiid contract just started. If I'm not mistaken, Joe, I think it just starts this year. That three-year 190, I think that just kicks in this year.

32:47Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, Philly got some work to do because you're going to have to pay him. I mean, hell, you traded for him. And I think he's a great assay. He's going to help the day. It ain't like he's going to be a liability. You feel me? He's going to be pretty good, bro. He's going to help the Sixers. Hey, hold on. When you say he helped the Sixers, you think he's going to take a haircut too? Who? Maybe. No. He already got his big deal. Why wouldn't you? I want another one. Why wouldn't you want to help big your team to try to run out?

33:19Shannon Sharpe:No, that ain't my job. Because guess what? I ain't part of ownership. I'll let y 'all build that. I've tried to build my team, which I'm the CEO of.

33:29Chad Johnson:Hey, it's my go around. I just had a big main course meal. Now I'm going back for a little dessert. You hear me?

33:37Shannon Sharpe:Yeah.

33:38Chad Johnson:Yeah.

33:38Shannon Sharpe:Because guess what? Now, just imagine, just imagine, Ocho, you gave them a deal and they trade you. Now, how are you feeling, Ocho? Hey, somebody went. You're going to feel some type of way. You done left 100 plus million. Yeah, I have. Because they say Brunson left, allegedly, 113 million. Now, you leave, now these contracts, you leave 130. You leave$150 million and they trade you. Yeah, they had to see me. I'm going to have to walk up there. I'm just saying.

34:09Chad Johnson:Yeah.

34:14Shannon Sharpe:So, it is what it is, fellas. Yeah. But Jason Tate opens up about the Celtics trading away Jalen Brown. To be honest, it's weird. It's weird. He played on the same team with a guy for nine years. I was fortunate enough to go to the finals with him twice. and to win a championship and push each other to be the players that we are today. But it just makes you appreciate the moment and the time that we had. Yeah, they don't allow you. They don't allow you to get comfortable. Just when you think like, you know what? Hey, man, this could be something that we can build. You just hope we draft two guys that high.

34:50Shannon Sharpe:I think if I'm not mistaken, Joe, both of them was third picks and consecutive drafts, overall picks and a consecutive draft. And you say, you know what? They're exactly what we thought that would be. And then, I guess they say it's true, Joe and Ocho, money ruins everything. Yeah. We had a good thing going. Money ruins everything. When you make too much of it, yes.

35:19Chad Johnson:Yeah.

35:20Shannon Sharpe:Because you got to ask the question. You think JB making more than the Celtics? No. Oh, okay. So they want to make all of them. They don't want me to make no money. I get you mean. I get you mean. And then you talk about giving them something back. Man, please. I'm trying to get a billionaire.

35:35Chad Johnson:Hello.

35:36Shannon Sharpe:Hello. How much? The guy that owns this is a venture capitalist. They got a chism. I think he's the front man. He's a billionaire. But he ain't like the venture capitalist. So you got billionaires probably worth$3,$5,$10, maybe$20 billion. Hey, I'm a hundred millionaire, which is good. But I'm trying to get to be in front of my name.

35:56Chad Johnson:Hello. Hey, hey, hey. Because this ball is only going to have some air in it for so long. I like that one, Joe.

36:01Shannon Sharpe:That's a good one. I like that. Come on now. And when it go flat, I've got a B in front of my neck. O-B. O-B. O-B. O-B. O-B. Hey. I've got to be in that boy club. Yeah. We could be the first podcast, man, to be big in there. What do you think about that?

36:20Chad Johnson:Hey. Hey, now you're talking, boy. Now you're talking.

36:24Shannon Sharpe:Hey. We got some people. We got to leapfrog, Joe Ocho.

36:27Chad Johnson:Okay. It ain't gonna happen.

36:29Shannon Sharpe:It can happen. It can happen. He can, hey, hey. We gotta start getting a little crazy now. I'm telling you. What you mean? I mean, you know, doing some other things outside of just on here. You know, outdoor, you know, exciting stuff. Things that no one else is touching. You know, they're not doing. Okay. We gonna do it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. I got you. Joe was trying to ask. Joe was trying to ask what you're talking about. Like, you try to.

36:56Chad Johnson:Nah, I ain't. I ain't saying all that. I ain't saying all that. I'm just asking the question because I don't never know where the conversation can go. That's why I had to get clarity. I'm like, man. Matter of fact, since y 'all on the topic, right? Y 'all got to get you some of these. What's that? Can you read that up? A cock rocket? What's a cock rocket? What's a cock rocket? It's like old candy, boy. You remember back in the day when Pop Rocks? You put the Pop Rocks in your mouth? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it go around your jersey? Yeah, yeah. You could do it that way or you could do it the other way.

37:38You feel me? Yeah, yeah. You got to try that. What other way?

37:43Shannon Sharpe:What'd you say, huh? I'm going to let y 'all have that one. I was about to go somewhere. I don't really need no rocks to pop, you know, because, I mean, you do what you want. I got you, I got you. Go to Weaver, go to Weaver. Hey, Joe, you got, hey, Joe, you got to get you, you got to get you some of these too, Joe. What is that? What's that? No, nipple rings.

38:07Chad Johnson:Oh. Hey, Joe. What you mean? What you, you saying for her? I need to get them for her? You get them for her, you. Me? Joe. But what, why would I use them though? What, that ain't going to turn me on. Hey, Joe, you got to get you one of these too, Joe. Man, that Joe got a bubble. Tell me about it for the girl.

38:29Shannon Sharpe:Not even you, Joe.

38:31Chad Johnson:Come on, man. How you log off? How you log off? I got to go off. I'm sorry. I'm not for real. No, I ain't going to keep. How you turn the thing off? Ask Jordan. I'm sorry. It's just too much going on. Yeah, the nightcap didn't cap me the hell out. I'm out. I can't do it no more. I'm gone. Hell no. No, I got to go. I got to go. I'm sorry, man. You know what I mean? I appreciate y 'all. I appreciate y 'all. No, no, no. I appreciate y 'all. I got to go, man. Ain't no damn way. I got to go. This man going to go over here. We can't keep putting up with this, man, for real. This man going to have to get a violation, red card, something.

39:12Chad Johnson:His ass got to be suspended for a show or something. We can't keep letting that man get on here and do all this, man. Hell no. Come on, man. Hey, you got to get you some of this electrical tape, too.

39:29Shannon Sharpe:I got it.

39:39I was feeling bad. Let me tell you something. I don't mean to be playing around, right? But I was sad after USA lost. After USA lost, I went to Spencer's. I went and got some toys, man. and try to, you know, try some stuff, you know, my baby, you know, trying to make myself feel a little better about Belgium beating us. And, I mean, I tried it. I tried it, Joe, and I just thought, you know, you would be one to explore and want to do something different, Joe. But how you figure me out of old people? Hell, ask somebody else in jail. No, no, he don't. No, he don't. No, he don't. You plug these up, boy, like a jumper cable, boy.

40:15You hear me?

40:19Hey, Joe, hey.

40:22Shannon Sharpe:It's going to start something. It ain't a man. Try it. Nah. Joe, some people have what they call a kink. Right.

40:33Chad Johnson:See, I ain't no kinky dude. I'm going to keep it real. I'm trying to get you to try some new shit.

40:40Shannon Sharpe:It's words. Some people, it's words. She can say something. You can say something.

40:45Chad Johnson:Yeah.

40:48It's touching.

40:50Shannon Sharpe:certain things that'll get you to go pop Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand I dig it, I dig it Ocho is trying to get you to broaden

40:59Chad Johnson:Yes, yes Expand your horizon Hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa Why is it Ocho trying to get me? I thought he was showing all of us Chat, chatting and he's showing you What the hell you mean? Just me, he's trying to get me to expand my horizon I already told y 'all, we cool on it, we good Hey, Joe, at least try the cock rocket, Joe At least try that The Cock Rocket? You hear me? Yeah. All right. At least try the butt plug with the LaHard, Joe. Come on, for her. Put it on her. Either way, y 'all can exchange. Either way. Come on, man. See, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

41:36Chad Johnson:Hey, Joe, you got to do it. Hey, you got to do it. Oh, Joe.

41:41Shannon Sharpe:Can you... Don't you think you got to roll with the heart on it. Hey, Joe. Man, off the chain.

41:49Chad Johnson:They got them to light up. They got them to light up. Oh, yeah, Joe. I'm good. I don't know why you're telling me what they got lighting up and all this. I'm good. Like, I will. You know what I mean? Like, what's up, man? Try the tape, too. Where the tape go, Ocho? You can tie up like this. Tie her. Tie her. Either behind or in front. It depends on how you want. Sometimes. Kind of like hog tie.

42:18Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, the cuff. You got to be, but she got to be, you know, she got to have like really loose shoulders because, you know, to be like in this position, the prone position like that.

42:28Chad Johnson:Yeah. And to be able to, to be in that position and have to, you know, toot that thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

42:36Shannon Sharpe:So that's why, that's why you have to be careful. You know, Polly, they have to get you up really quick because the chest goes up and down. Yeah. Well, if you own your chest, it ain't nowhere to go. Yeah. So she got to be real loose and amenable to something like that.

42:55Chad Johnson:Like Luke say, face down.

42:57Shannon Sharpe:It's up. That's the way we got them. See, that's what I'm talking about. I've been trying to tell y 'all. That's why I'm in the three spot. I'm in the three spot.

43:07Chad Johnson:Boy, Chad got you far from three, partner. I'll just tell you that right now. Just in case you didn't know, Chad got you far from three.

43:14Shannon Sharpe:But I'm three. Joe, you know it, Joe. Man, come on. Oh, Joe won.

43:17Chad Johnson:You too. Hey, you know how we talk about the Celtics, the 1A and 1B? Yeah. Jadon Brown, Jason Tatum. Hell, that's your outro, 1A and 1B. Joe, what I got to do with this? Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. Man, just pull out butt plugs, the jumper cables, they hook up on your nipples. Come on, man. Talk about what I got to do with this. I'm just trying to expand your horizon, Joe. That's all. My horizons are expanding. We good, bro. Listen, I'm... Joe, you alive, but you're not living, Joe. I'm just trying to help you spice up your love life, Joe. That's all. That's all. Get some of them, though, boy.

43:55Hey, tell the wife, when you put these on, tell her put some ice. Take some ice. Put the ice on there, too, Joe. Touch the figure. Numb the pain.

44:09Shannon Sharpe:Man. Hey, Joe will get put out, man. You know, but he don't... You're right around the corner from the crib.

44:20Shannon Sharpe:Man, this is Luke. And I think the thing, it's back to Jason Tatum. I think, like I said, he's in a different stage of his life. And I think both guys are very level-headed. But I think JT has a serious lady. He got two kids, and he, boom, he focused on that. JB is a very serious young man. There are things as important or more important to him than basketball. He's just not a basketball player. He's a very conscientious brother. He sees the plight. He sees what's going on around him, and he wants to change that. I don't see what as a organization Bossy like bro we just want somebody to just focus on basketball

45:17Chad Johnson:yeah hey hey J.B. gonna be in the White House one day here yeah he yeah he locked in

45:25Shannon Sharpe:yeah he's a very conscious brother and I hated J.T. they had to break y 'all up bro but hey it was just it was inevitable because JT pretty soon he gonna be hey two years JT gonna be for a contract extension his contract gonna be not five five four yeah

45:43Chad Johnson:hey hey hey this probably the most pressure JP probably the most pressure season JT is gonna have in a while you know cause hell they went out as a two seed last year man correct so you know they when they got some help they added some good additions. I like big Mitchell Robinson. You know, I like Paul George if he can, you know, give him a greater number of games. But, man, JT got to come through.

46:14Shannon Sharpe:Yokey said, I'm holding off. I'm going to sign next year. The next year extension for Yokey, five years, 359. Jesus Christ. You don't think he's going to take it? Or he can take it for a year, 278. He said, I'll hold off, and I'll do the five. So guess what? in two years with JT. So if he get five for 359, what is it going to be two years from then?

46:36Chad Johnson:Hey, that shit going to be baseball numbers.

46:38Shannon Sharpe:Hey, you think... It's going to be five for 400. You going to take a haircut? Hell no. All these players don't want to build a team, a championship caliber team, but want to get as much money as they can. I already built one. I built one. They did win one already. Okay, you're right. Because here's the thing, Ocho. This is what we know. Give somebody something for free. They'll never want to pay you for it. There's a reason why the Ritz-Carlton in the Four Seasons, the hotels like chains, the establishment like that, don't give discounts. That's why Ferraris don't come with a discount. Because once you give somebody one, what do they want?

47:14Shannon Sharpe:Man, Ocho hook you, boy. I already hooked you up. Come on, you can do it. Come on now, Ocho. Come on now. So, no. Don't start that. Don't start it. And then you'll be fine.

47:31Shannon Sharpe:According to Shams, LeBron is taking the Sixers very seriously after they got Jalen Brown. When I talk to teams now, I have a hierarchy of Cleveland, Miami, Philadelphia, and then some teams on the peripheral. Joe, Bron, the Sixers, you like that?

47:48Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah, I like it. I told y 'all, there's a few places I like to see Bron. You know, I wouldn't mind seeing them. Yeah, Ocho, I get it, you know. the Miami thing is cute, sexy, and all that. Boy, I ain't going to lie. I probably had to make me a few trips down to South Beach again. You hear me? If he go back to South Beach.

48:06Shannon Sharpe:Ocho, he ain't going to do it, Ocho. But he definitely don't show up, boy. I'm with you when you write, boy.

48:13Chad Johnson:All right, Chad, I'm talking to y 'all, Chad. Chad, check this out. But him going to Philly, but him going to Philly playing with them young thundercats over there, I think he'll be just what the doctor ordered. You know what I mean? I think he'll be able to facilitate some things. You know, he'll keep them young boys under control. And like I tell y 'all, I'll be on the phone with Embiid. I just need to know what it looked like, partner, before I signed on the dotted line. But then again, going home, you know, playing in Cleveland, they already got everything in place, scores, rebounders, defenders, not perimeter defenders.

48:48Shannon Sharpe:Other than that, it's home, and I can retire where it started. like Dorothy said in The Wizard of Oz, there's no place like home. There's no place like home. To me, Cleveland makes the least amount of sense to me. Yeah. With Harden and Mitchell.

49:04Chad Johnson:Yeah.

49:07Shannon Sharpe:That makes the least amount of sense to me. In all basketball, the teams that make the most sense, Miami because he can run the point,

49:19and the Warriors.

49:22Shannon Sharpe:Those make the most sense because, why, Joe? He can have the ball in his hands.

49:26Chad Johnson:Yeah. But I just don't think the Warriors ain't going to have him because I think obviously with the AD thing, I don't think Washington letting AD go. Okay, Ocho. So I don't think. What, they can't continue to trade rumor today? What, him going to Cleveland?

49:40Shannon Sharpe:They were talking about they would trade what? A first-round pick, Jared Allen, and somebody else for Anthony Davis to come to Cleveland.

49:51Chad Johnson:If they do that, then they mean they got the OK that Bron coming home. If that happens before Bron commits, y 'all better know he coming home. It all sound good. It all sound good. But I'm with you. Hey, listen, listen. Ocho, I'm with you. I ain't going to lie. I like the Miami thing, bro. I think he'll have more ball handling duties in Miami than he will in Cleveland. You know what I mean? and man to have Bam and Yon is right next to you running that break. Doing all the heavy lifting, all the dirty work defensively. In the Eastern Conference too? Hello. Make it easy. Why would I go to Golden State?

50:33Chad Johnson:I know I don't want to hear that because he want to go to Golden State, hang out with E40 and all of them.

50:40Shannon Sharpe:I ain't really going to spend no time in the Bay. I mean, I go down. Ocho, I'll see you down in Miami. Yeah, yeah, I'll let you boy. I'll let you boy. I'll let you boy. That's where you think he's going? That's what – No, I'm just saying. I'd say, look, because I think, you know, potentially this is his last year. He knows and everybody knows this is closer to the end than the beginning. I've got to see him no matter where he goes. I've got to see him at least one. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, will you get ready? You get ready to come on down to Miami, huh? I got – listen, you can stay with me, but I got a spot.

51:12I got a little place right here on the West Wing good for you.

51:15Chad Johnson:You already said he can't bring no hostage with him, so he ain't coming to stay with you. No, he ain't bringing no woman up in here. Oh, no. No, sir. Hey, like my grandma ran a tight ship, boy. I run a tight ship. Yeah. Say ain't nobody going to be getting no sushi in there but you. That's it. Okay.

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56:06Shannon Sharpe:Yes, sir. The Lakers rolled out an elaborate pitch meeting for Austin Reed He's featuring customized pillows, blankets, stakes, and in his favorite country music to get him to sign, per Ramona Shelburne. Meanwhile, the franchise never offered a vision, a face-to-face meeting, or a former offer to LeBron before he decided to leave.

56:26Chad Johnson:Listen, man, they ran this course, man. They love LeBron, but they was ready to move on, Uncle Ocho. Yes. Yeah, when you hear those reports, look, Luka already vouched for AR. Hey, look, man, I don't want no AA.

56:41Shannon Sharpe:He wasn't going nowhere after he vouched for it.

56:44Chad Johnson:Yeah, no.

56:44Shannon Sharpe:Even if that meant getting Giannis, he said no.

56:47Chad Johnson:Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, they're going to roll the red carpet out for him. Yeah. Yeah, just more fuel to the five for the king, man, for him to come back and, you know, put all that riffraff to bed. Yeah, he just needs a little more fuel. That's it. Yeah, I mean, look, obviously,

57:09Shannon Sharpe:the Lakers had the upper hand. You know how when you get the upper hand, you want some things? I mean, it's just like a job when you have the upper hand. You're touted. They want you. You ask for some things. You put some things in your contract. So it's a pitch where they try to say, we really want you. We understand that. LeBron did not have the leverage at 42. That he had at 32. That he had at 35. We understand that. It happened. I'm not mad at the Lakers Hey listen It was obvious This is what they wanted The mere fact that when they got Luka

57:50Chad Johnson:That was it Hey but think about it though What if Bron really What if he really didn't want to go back to LA for real I'm saying if you LeBron And you really assess the team And you really look at What you was able to accomplish in this postseason pretty much without Luke and AR. And you're like, man, listen, even if they was healthy, we still got some work to do. You feel what I'm saying? Considering that on the perimeter side, we can't defend at a high level to be a championship caliber team. What if he understood all that? Uncle Ocho was like, you know what? I got a few teams in mind already.

58:29Chad Johnson:I'm going to kind of see what happens. Because I really still believe if the Knicks didn't win, I think he would have went to New York, bro.

58:38Shannon Sharpe:And it would have been, I mean, it would have been, I mean, look, it's New York. But I'm not surprised by this. I mean, like when free agents, they're trying to get a free agent to sign. He's on your own team. Or they're trying to bring in a free agent. They roll out the red carpet. Hello. And the guys that they don't want to sign back, what? They don't roll out no red carpet. They don't even call your ass. This is not new. I promise you. And plus, what type of red carpet are you going to roll out for Bron? Bron done had it all. He may have been in the league 23 years. He's had it all. He's seen it all.

59:16Shannon Sharpe:He got the pitch. He got the pitch from Miami to go to Miami. He got the pitch from Cleveland to come back to Cleveland. I mean, he didn't really. I mean, Magic didn't have to do anything to him. Magic just Rich Paul. Magic went to Rich Paul and Bron and, hey, what you got?

59:34Chad Johnson:That's it.

59:35Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. I just, I'm not surprised by this. I'm not upset by this. I mean, it was the right thing to do. Once Luka vouched for AR, and rightfully so, AR has gotten better and better and better. Before he got hurt, he was averaging 28 points. He averaged 23 points on the regular season. He's a phenomenal offensive player. They're just challenged defensively.

59:59Chad Johnson:Yeah. Hey, look, I'm glad AR got paid, but boy, listen. that damn 45. What are you going to be making? Yeah, he got what?

1:00:09Shannon Sharpe:Four years, 180-something? That's good for him. Four years, 180, so 45 a year?

1:00:15Chad Johnson:Yeah, it's great for him. I'm just saying, expectations come with that damn 45, Ocho. What's going to change? What's going to change, especially for someone who wasn't making nothing? He wasn't even drafted, uh-uh.

1:00:26Shannon Sharpe:Because they didn't have expectations when you didn't make nothing. Your expectations changed when you became one of the highest paid. Hey, hey. They expect 100 yards a game.

1:00:36Chad Johnson:Yeah, every game. Hey, listen. And check this out. And check this out. If I'm the opponent, now, okay, damn, I'm going to a$45 million dude. Hell, if I shut his ass down, what that said about me? You feel what I'm saying? Hey, Joe, I like what you're thinking, Joe. Yeah. Hey, people going to compete a little harder against you now, bro. That's what it is. You going to be at the top of the damn scout report now. Yeah, AR, yeah. Don't give him no space. Make him a driver. One thing about it. awesome reason we'll put your ass in the blender now I know I'm rooting for him I know that Joe homeboy he from Arkansas I'm rooting for him now hey Joe tell him come on the show man holler at your boy man I bet I'm hitting I'm hitting I got you what's the question you think the nigga beat me one on one yeah here sir you wouldn't even score here Hey, don't get it twisted.

1:01:32Chad Johnson:That white boy can play, man. I know what you're thinking. I know what you're thinking. We have a tendency not to give them a lot of respect sometimes, but that white boy can play. I respect everybody, Joe. But I'm just asking. I just want to see what your answer would be as my co-host to see if you had any faith in me. But okay, I got you, Joe. Well, I got to keep it 100. I don't know no other way, Ocho. I'm going to keep it 100 with you. You know what I mean? Okay. I appreciate that.

1:01:58Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, no doubt. The Lakers are offering Jonathan Kaminga a starting role in their free agent pitch per Anthony Slater. Los Angeles projected starting lineup if Kaminga signs, Luka, A.R., Kaminga, Sandro, Mama Kielish, Beely, and Walker Kessler. Joe.

1:02:17Chad Johnson:Hey, what? You don't like that, huh? Who going to defend? Kaminga. Huh? Kaminga going to be a two-way guy. You know, his thought process going to be a little different. Yeah, you say, damn, Joe, he ain't want to play side next to Steph. Hey, listen, man, when you done been through a few situations and you kind of know and understand the pecking order, hey, you better get your ass in line and figure out what it is you can do and figure out what it is you can do or bring to the team that can make us better. They don't have defenders. Okay, Ocho, they need a guy who can sit in that chair.

1:02:50Shannon Sharpe:So what about Sandro? What he going to do? Man, I don't know. He'll shoot her. Who the hell is that? I don't even know what that is. He got him off Toronto. And he didn't shoot as good as Rui. And what they paid him, they paid him more than what they was offering Rui.

1:03:05Chad Johnson:Hey, I ain't got no rhyme or reason to what the Lakers doing. Lakers trying to build out them a nice little roster. A little bit of everybody can contribute to some degree. Hell, they ain't trying to be caught up like Boston. They glad A.R. didn't. He gave him a little haircut.

1:03:20Shannon Sharpe:He did. He could have got a five-year, like two-something, 239.

1:03:25Chad Johnson:Yeah. Dang. So, hey, man, maybe the Lakers trending in the right direction. We got to give the Lakers a chance. I know they look like a foreigner team over there, but, hey, we got to see what it's going to do. We definitely going to see. We definitely going to see. Like a frat house. You know, with a little color sprinkled in there.

1:03:52Shannon Sharpe:A judge denies Terry Rozier's request to modify his bail conditions. Terry Rozier wants to play in the NBA while he fights sports gambling charges that sideline him last season. Bail conditions that bar him from contact with certain players and limit his travel could complicate the potential return. U.S. Judge LaShawn D 'Arcy Hall on Wednesday denies a defense request to modify Roger's bail condition so he can practice and play with potential witnesses as long as they don't talk about the case. The judge said it would be impossible to police Roger's on-court conversation. She admonished Roger for already violating the non-contact provision of his$3 million bond by sending text messages to a person to which he's told not to communicate with.

1:04:39Shannon Sharpe:Rozier was contacting the person to tell them that he was on the non-contact list. The RC Hall said what tell what that tells me is that he believes he knows better than the court. Hall said at the hearing in Brooklyn's federal court. Rozier said Rozier. She said violated the court's trust with that text message. Joe, what team is going to pick you up, bro? Bro, yo, it's over. it's over they gonna trust you hey

1:05:15Chad Johnson:as good as as a player that that he is Malik Beasley is Terry Rozier is it's just hard to see a team taking a chance on him what do you mean hard to see Joe it's hard it's a PR nightmare they not dealing with that that's what they don't want bro they have to answer that every day and then don't let you have a bad game. You're going to have to read between the lines on the question they asked. Every turnover.

1:05:45Shannon Sharpe:Yeah. Every loose ball that he doesn't get. Now I question everything, and that's not how it should be. I should be able to watch the game in which Terry Rozier or Malik Beasley plays and have no thought come across my mind. Man, he missed that shot on purpose. Man, why he didn't get that rebound? Man, why he dribbled the ball off his foot? I shouldn't have to watch a game like that. And, bro, you know you're not supposed to. And guess what happened? That person that you contact, they told. They told. They said, I ain't finna go. Hey, bro, I'm trying to get up out of this. You trying to get me in some stuff.

1:06:26Shannon Sharpe:You trying to. Hey, bro, I'm already in water, deep water. And you turn the hose on and put more water in the ocean. I'm trying to get up out of this. I don't know who he talked to Joe before you go I don't know who he talked to but they told

1:06:45Chad Johnson:yeah I mean there's no difference than the Soresby kid from you know in college football bro yeah Texas Tech

1:06:54Shannon Sharpe:it's gonna be hard

1:06:55Chad Johnson:hey man nobody even gonna probably give you a shot bro think about it if y 'all was a GM or owner of a team man you don't want that on your team bro I'm sorry

1:07:05Shannon Sharpe:if it was an isolation if it was a situation a couple of times, 9 ,000? Do they know how many 9 ,000? Just start counting. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. That's a lot of bets. Now go to 20. Now go to 100 bets. Now go to 1 ,000 bets. Now go to 9 ,000. I just don't know how you trust that. I don't. Now, he might go to counseling and he might go, but to convince. Because here's the thing. You might be able to say that, you know what, I'm done with this. I'm not going to do it anymore. The problem that you run into is to convince teams and owners and general managers. You heard Todd Munkin. The man put on the game.

1:07:54Shannon Sharpe:I don't know if you want your franchise quarterback. That's what you want from him? No. That's the thing, though. I mean, and he got a$3 million bond. because they'll tell you who you can and can't communicate with. Right.

1:08:11Chad Johnson:Hold on. How long have they been locked up? No, he on bond.

1:08:14Shannon Sharpe:Oh, he on bond. Yeah,$3 million, which is normally a 10%. Now, they might have made him put property up or something like that. But normally, I mean, sometimes they'll give the aid. They might make you have a$3 million cash bond, but I'm assuming this is 10 % of that, which is$300 ,000. Mm. Especially if they think you're a flight risk. But they're going to take your passport and they'll put a GPS monitor on you. They really think you're a flight risk. They really, hey,$100 million,$200 million,$300 million bond.

1:08:52Chad Johnson:They make you reflect, bro.

1:08:54Shannon Sharpe:You got to.

1:08:56Chad Johnson:Like, damn.

1:08:57Shannon Sharpe:They try to put it so high, especially if they're really concerned about you, knowing that you probably can't come up with it. And then it's like, nah, they put your ass on home. They put your ass on house arrest, home confinement. You can't leave. But I don't know, bro. You know your agent, your attorney has already told you. But you got the affidavit. You already see the complaint. And a part of the stipulation is you cannot have communication with. I can't talk to Joe. I can't talk to Ocho. I can't talk to Jordan. I can't talk to Ash. Even through an intermediary. Well, I didn't know I could.

1:09:41Shannon Sharpe:I ain't talked to him directly. Yeah, but you sent word through somebody else. That's the same thing.

1:09:50Bro, good luck.

1:09:51Shannon Sharpe:I wish you the best, bro. But I just don't see our team going to touch you or Malik moving forward. No. I mean, you know they're not. And simply, as great as he is, obviously having this, you know, overshadding it over your head, teams don't want to deal with the PR nightmare. No, sir. That's all it comes down to. It's an absolute PR nightmare. Of course. Because like you said, Jalow, like we're talking about, you watching the game and he turned the ball over. Tell me what's the first thing that will go through your mind. He missed a wide open layup. He missed a wide open shot. What's going through your mind, Joe?

1:10:25Shannon Sharpe:Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hey. You fouled that man in the situation. Like, bro, why you? Hey, he would have to come back and be damn near perfect from the field, Joe. He would. Because you think about it, when you go back, and when they went back and they played some of the clips that he did, they talking about he's going to miss part of the game. You see the man make a shot, run down the court, and then all of a sudden he grab his ankle. Like, oh, damn. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. or you get a situation. And, Joe, we talked about it. When Kay Cunningham passed that ball to Malik Beasley, and the ball went right through his hand.

1:11:02Shannon Sharpe:Right, yeah. Now you looking. It make you think. He getting the ball. The line was seven and a half. They up nine. He getting the ball, raced down the court, dunk it.

1:11:15Chad Johnson:I see.

1:11:16Shannon Sharpe:Now you win by seven.

1:11:18Chad Johnson:Yeah.

1:11:20Shannon Sharpe:Everything go get called into question. It's just tough. that and we've seen the NBA we've seen MLB we've seen the NFL forgive a lot but boy when you start gambling Art Sleaster uh now there have been situations but this was way back you look at a Paul Horning had a situation uh there was a defensive lineman uh he was the father on Webster he had a situation they got suspended for a year who else I think it was like three guys Horning I forget Chad I forget I forget the guy but he was the father on Webster but he was a defensive lineman for the Detroit Lions Chad you can look it up I think it was three of them way back when and they got suspended for a year but I think now Art Sleaster they just say you done because they tried to give him grace, and he just like he couldn't help himself.

1:12:28I don't know. I mean, that gambling man, people just want to believe it.

1:12:35Shannon Sharpe:Because now even more than ever, because you see so many guys being involved in it, and I didn't understand. man, I'm looking at some of these guys and they're doing these prop bets. I'm like, guys, you're making millions and you're trying to win hundreds? What does that make?

1:12:53Chad Johnson:It don't. It don't make no sense. At all. But when you got all these different gambling spots, Ochoa, where you can bet on these games, man, you got to figure. Alex Karras. Go ahead, Joe. You got to figure some of these guys going to indulge in it a little bit. You know, I think that's just human nature, and that's why you see so many guys who've got caught up, whether it's collegiate, whether it's pros. Hell, and these just the people they caught. But, Joe.

1:13:21Shannon Sharpe:You know what I mean? I'm making$30 million. I'm making$35 million. I can bet on baseball. I can bet on football. I can bet on tennis. I can bet on golf. I can bet on the World Cup. Just don't bet on your sport. You can't control an outcome, Joe.

1:13:36Chad Johnson:I can't make it make sense for you. You heard me talking. What did you say, Joe? What did you say, Joe? You can't, everything you just named, you can't control those outcomes. They're betting on situations where they can control the outcome. Yes. And obviously, most of the time, hey, Uncle Joe, not only are they betting, I think sometimes they're in positions where they don't want to bet anymore, but they're in bed with the wrong people. But hold on. They don't have a choice but to keep going. But hold on, but hold on. If you're trying to control a game, Uncle Ocho, to where you win these bets, Man, you can't have nobody betting on them$100 ,000,$200 ,000.

1:14:13Chad Johnson:Hold on. After Blue, we get these bets from Terry Rozier and Malik B. Come on, bro. They looking into that ASAP. Come on, man. It's the prop bets.

1:14:24Shannon Sharpe:I mean, like you said, Joe, under a certain number of points. He's like, oh, I'm going to lead the game, so I'm going to be guaranteed I'm not going to make it. that's the way one way to control it yeah I just I think they got stuck Joe I think they got stuck Ocho

1:14:50Chad Johnson:with all the money that you're making from basketball hell you can go pay your damn debt off I'm saying I think they got stuck in bed with certain people that were gambling and those people that they were gambling with were relying on them to do certain things to make sure they kept that money coming in for other people, not them. I hate it for them dudes, bro. I'm talking about two cats who could play and could help a real contender. I hate that for them, bro.

1:15:26Shannon Sharpe:Yeah, it was Paul Horning and Alex Karras. They were both suspended for

1:15:35I think a year.

1:15:36Shannon Sharpe:Alex Karras got a year, and five other players, along with Karras, was spying$2 ,000 for betting on the 1962 NFL championship game. Damn. He was expending. Paul Horning, he was the MVP in 1961 and was spending for the entire 63 season for betting on NFL games after he admitted to betting up to$500 on a game and associating with known gamblers.

1:16:06Chad Johnson:Yeah, once they get you, they get you to bed once, it's a wrap. That's it.

1:16:11Shannon Sharpe:It's a wrap, bro. That's all it takes. But like, you know, we were talking about, like, that's what I don't, you know, like, bet on other sports. For me, I just couldn't do that. To basically bet against my team or knowing the hard work that I put in, knowing the hard work that either the other guys put in on Joe and Joe, and this is what I'm going to do.

1:16:36Shannon Sharpe:Sometimes, like I said, everything doesn't have to make sense. This doesn't make sense to me that you making 30 million. These guys weren't making no money. You see boxing, everybody said boxing was the fix. Guys taking dives, Ocho. But it wasn't no money. Ocho, if you making 40, 50 million dollars, if I can't make 100 million, Why am I even – because normally people bet – I bet 500 with the hopes of winning 5 ,000, 50 ,000. I'm not betting no millions hoping to win hundreds or thousands. I make 30 million. Terrell, you're making 30 million a year. Damn. And you're going to go gamble on your game.

1:17:23Shannon Sharpe:You don't want to bet football. You don't want to bet baseball. You don't want to bet hockey or World Cup or soccer. They got soccer games going on all the time that you can bet on. You don't want to bet on golf. You don't want to bet on baseball. You want to bet on the sport that you play?

1:17:37Chad Johnson:You want to control it.

1:17:42Shannon Sharpe:You're messing around and you're seeing you somewhere where you can't control nothing.

1:17:45Chad Johnson:Hey. Hello. Hello. Hello. Not even draws you put on. I mean, can you imagine you making that kind of money?

1:17:56Shannon Sharpe:and then you go... What you think they're going to say when he come in there, Ocho? Now, he ain't going to go to the big house. He'll go to one of those little farm houses, something like that. But what you think they're going to say? Go to the feds. What you think they're going to say to him?

1:18:11Chad Johnson:Bro, really? You know what they're going to say.

1:18:13Shannon Sharpe:Really, bro? 30 million? And you're going to bet props?

1:18:21Hey, they in the feds. They can't say nothing in it because They asking that for a reason.

1:18:26Shannon Sharpe:But, Joe, which one of them ones you thinking they're making$30 million? I mean, you might find some of them guys that's going to swindle some people out of some money, you know, them pyramid schemes and things like that, them embezzles some money. But that's what I don't get. That's what – but they embezzling hoping to take all the money. So I got a pyramid scheme. Right. Bernie Madoff. Bernie Madoff. Billion, billion dollars. Okay. Ocho. I still don't understand how you did that, boy. Because you give me$5 ,000. I give you$15 ,000 in two weeks. What you going to do next? Yeah. You going to bring me more money, right?

1:19:02Shannon Sharpe:Yep. Because I just gave you$10 ,000 in two weeks on the$5 ,000 that you gave. So I gave you$15 ,000 back plus your$5 ,000. So guess what else you're going to do now? Man, God dang. You going to bring me more money and more money. Then you're going to come to me. Because then I'm going to take the money I got from Joe and pay you. And then I'm going to take the money from somebody else and pay Joe. and guess what Joe gonna do? Bring me more money. That's how it worked. That's how Pyramids keep working. Yeah, but how you get to a billion? Because he dealing with people that got billions. Yeah, and they trusted him.

1:19:37Shannon Sharpe:The guy from the Mets. The guy that owned the Mets. All these people. Did you see all the famous people that he had money? That he had? Hell, he had billions.

1:19:47Chad Johnson:Yeah, he playing with some heavy hitters, Ocho.

1:19:52Shannon Sharpe:that's how pyramid scheme work that's how they get you you know what let me show you how good this thing is Ocho give me 10 ,000 you give me 10 ,000 on a Wednesday and two weeks later I shoot you your 10 ,000 back plus another 20 I'm just saying God hey let my grandma say sometimes it's too good to be true no no no there you go he gave you the money back You ain't looking at it as too good to be true now Because you got the money back You might be thinking that at the time That somebody can give you a 30-40 % return On your money But that's why you only gave him$10 ,000 So if you gave him$10 ,000 He give you$20 ,000 in two weeks Plus your$10 ,000 back If I give him$100 ,000 If I give him$500 ,000 What are you going to give me Joe?

1:20:43Shannon Sharpe:Oh got him Got him I done set the hook now Mm-hmm. Just don't let him off.

1:20:51Chad Johnson:Yeah, that's some bad work there, boy. Yeah.

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1:21:21I'm finna try that Try what? Shoot Hey Joe send me 10 ,000 I'm gonna get you 30 back now

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